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  • [05:10:54] <simha> Hi good mng all !!
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  • [05:12:37] <simha> I am working on 3.19 kernel for beaglebone black and I am trying dual display with device tree
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  • [05:13:31] <simha> I am new to devicetree and if dualdisplay support any one done can suggest how to add support to 3.19 kernel.
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  • [05:15:33] <imanpakii> is anybody knows what is the location of uEnv.txt in BBBAndroid?
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  • [05:20:11] <vagrantc> simha: why 3.19 ?
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  • [05:43:35] <simha> I am working with 3.19 currently for my req.
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  • [05:44:12] <simha> @vagrantc
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  • [06:01:58] <vagrantc> i am working with 3.19 because i am working with 3.19... ok.
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  • [06:02:33] <vagrantc> Nico44: you might want to stop autorejoin with such an unstable network connection...
  • [06:03:01] <veremit> we'll poke wmat/av500 to set up a ban :)
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  • [06:03:32] <veremit> another individual had this problem not so long ago
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  • [06:11:48] <veremit> +1 av500
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  • [06:20:38] <simha> please any one can help out the duaadisplay on latest 3.19 kernel or above
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  • [06:24:35] <simha> or how to create two frame buffers fb0, fb1
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  • [06:30:25] <vagrantc> or newer, that makes more sense...
  • [06:30:29] <veremit> o,O
  • [06:34:38] <vagrantc> simha: how do you have the hardware on the beaglebone black to have a dual display?
  • [06:35:54] <simha> am trying to test mini hdmi and with lcd expansion
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  • [06:41:38] <simha> is it possible to create two fb* ?
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  • [10:31:12] <Raj__> How to set Date & time on beaglebone black?
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  • [10:51:03] <stt_michael> erm .. date? ntp?
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  • [14:07:15] <samdesd> hi, I bought the earlier version of BB white colour .... I think it has Anstrong (sorry for spelling) Linux in it.... can I upgrage it to Debian?
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  • [14:12:48] <stt_michael> samdesd, yes .. the generic images on the elinux site cover all variants
  • [14:14:07] <stt_michael> samdesd, http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#2015-11-03 - don't use the Flasher obviously :)
  • [14:14:37] <samdesd> Hi, stt_michael, can I write C++ code using Eclipse IDE in Windows and upload the apps to BB white via Ethernet instead of usb?
  • [14:15:10] <stt_michael> sure
  • [14:15:34] * stt_michael doesn't like the usb client interface
  • [14:17:19] <samdesd> Is there a guide for getting C++ compiled in Windows and upload to BB in the BB website?
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  • [14:33:49] <Spidler> oh for FUCKS sake. *groans*
  • [14:34:18] <Spidler> Note to self: strangle Scada developers. Instead of returning an error code, they return a valid value with all bits set. Because obviously that means something.
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  • [15:48:07] <stephen_> Hello, I've used the beaglebone at work for a few projects, now I'm looking to set up an (ideally FOSS) server, but I noticed that performance-wise, the current generation of beaglebone black/green are about comparable to the new five dollar pi zero. Is an updated revision in the pipeline?
  • [15:49:41] <av500> stephen_: no
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  • [15:50:07] <av500> stephen_: if all you need is a server sitting on the internet, go for a $5 pi
  • [15:51:10] <av500> oh wait, the $pi does not even have ethernet
  • [15:51:27] <av500> nor does it have working usb to connect some
  • [15:51:33] <tbr> "oops"
  • [15:52:29] <stephen_> If the green had 1G ram and next-teir processor, it would be perfect
  • [15:52:36] <stephen_> that's why I'm hoping for an update
  • [15:52:57] <stephen_> *tier
  • [15:53:19] <tbr> I don't see any new beagle low end board in the near future
  • [15:53:27] <tbr> in the high end theres the X15
  • [15:53:46] <tbr> but a $200 price tag is probably not what you're looking for
  • [15:54:37] <av500> stephen_: get any random *pi board from china
  • [15:55:12] <stephen_> av500: do you know any offhand? (saves me a search)
  • [15:55:58] <av500> bananapi
  • [15:57:04] <Defiant> but banana is allwinner
  • [15:57:39] <samael> a "bbb on steroids" with a multi-core arm cpu (comparable to the pi 2 model b) would be very interesting, indeed
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  • [15:57:53] <av500> Defiant: so?
  • [15:58:05] <stephen_> hmm, it's a little expensive ($55 here in canada)
  • [15:58:32] <av500> then get a pi2
  • [15:59:10] <av500> that might have working ethernet
  • [16:01:49] <stephen_> yep, it does (just bought one for family)
  • [16:01:55] <stephen_> that's my backup plan
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  • [16:02:11] <av500> why backup?
  • [16:02:37] <av500> its already cheaper than BBB
  • [16:04:20] <stephen_> I like the beaglebones (I've used them a bunch) also, FOSS ideology
  • [16:05:06] <stephen_> but barring an somewhat-immenent update to the BB lineup, Pi2 is is
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  • [16:05:31] <tbr> Pi2 at least has a sane CPU architecture now
  • [16:05:38] <stephen_> mhm
  • [16:05:41] <tbr> their USB is supposedly still crap
  • [16:05:51] <tbr> but so is musb on e.g. BBB
  • [16:06:10] <stephen_> I haven't looked at the driver stack, but I was plugging flash drives in yesterday, and that worked fine
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  • [16:09:09] <Defiant> afaik bulk transfer is not a problem on the pi
  • [16:09:28] <Defiant> its not time critical
  • [16:11:54] <stephen_> fine for consumer webserver stuff then. Do you know what makes the drivers nondeterministic?
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  • [16:15:47] <Defiant> websearch for "raspberry pi usb elephant" should do it
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  • [16:16:14] <zmatt> 1G ram might be doable if you have impressive skills with desoldering and resoldering a BGA ;P
  • [16:18:57] <stt_michael> problem with pi is the single usb channel to the processor ..
  • [16:18:59] <zmatt> or possibly 2G, if you manage to find a single-rank chip that big
  • [16:19:30] <stt_michael> could get an imx6rex .. they're opensource hardware
  • [16:20:07] <zmatt> the 100 Mbit ethernet phy of the BBB is also a shame
  • [16:20:20] <stt_michael> zmatt, we need to get to the bottom of making it Gb ;)
  • [16:20:23] <zmatt> but low cost was the priority
  • [16:20:34] <stt_michael> yeah gb TI phy's are ridiculous
  • [16:20:44] <zmatt> stt_michael: I'm fairly certain it can do 2G
  • [16:20:49] <zmatt> dispite claims to the contrary
  • [16:20:53] <zmatt> but not 100% certain
  • [16:21:06] <stt_michael> zmatt, well my wandboard can only do 0.5gb because of aprocessor pipeline issue
  • [16:21:12] <stt_michael> but that's fast enough :)
  • [16:21:22] <zmatt> oh
  • [16:21:26] <zmatt> you meant ethernet
  • [16:21:41] <zmatt> ds2 apparently managed to wire a gigabit phy into a BBB
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  • [16:21:42] <stt_michael> <zmatt> the 100 Mbit ethernet phy of the BBB is also a shame
  • [16:22:02] <stt_michael> yes, thats what I meant
  • [16:22:28] <zmatt> with about 60cm of wire to delay the clock (since neither phy nor am335x supported internal delay)
  • [16:22:44] <zmatt> I still can't believe there are no photos of that feat
  • [16:22:44] <stt_michael> o,o
  • [16:22:52] <stt_michael> zmatt, yeah
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  • [16:23:18] <zmatt> he mentioned pings came through, I didn't ask what the average bit error rate was though :P
  • [16:23:25] <stt_michael> lol
  • [16:23:35] <stt_michael> iostat :)
  • [16:23:49] <stt_michael> whats the other one?
  • [16:24:02] <zmatt> ip -s link
  • [16:24:41] <stt_michael> ah iproute2
  • [16:26:17] <zmatt> but all balls are there, so if the signal integrity is okayish enough and you can find a gigabit phy with internal delay whose footprint coincidentally happens to be right.... yeah never gonna happen I know, but still
  • [16:27:18] <stt_michael> zmatt, lol .. hence wanna see ds2's solution :)
  • [16:27:56] <zmatt> presumably wires
  • [16:28:44] <zmatt> which actually tend to have cleaner signal transmission than pcb traces, though I'd be slightly worried about the impedance jump
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  • [16:32:06] <zmatt> but it's weird, on one hand I know it's really important to pay attention to signal integrity issues at such high speeds, on the other hand I've seen you can sometimes get away with crazy shit
  • [16:34:04] <zmatt> like we once made a prototype board with a dm814x, and being ignorant about some of the finer points I used CCS to configure EMIF for me and then ran an extensive memory test overnight
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  • [16:34:56] <zmatt> later I realized that 1. I was using the leveling for the EVM, which are totally off for our board
  • [16:35:28] <zmatt> 2. to use the RAM speed I configured I was supposed to raise the OPP and in particular raise the core voltage via the pmic, I hadn't
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  • [16:36:02] <zmatt> 3. the dm814x we had was from a lower speed bin and didn't support that OPP at all
  • [16:36:22] <zmatt> yet the memory test ran with 0 errors :P
  • [16:38:04] <zmatt> so I still don't have an intuition what exactly you can or can't get away with w.r.t. highspeed signals
  • [16:38:22] <stt_michael> zmatt, lmao!
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  • [16:46:49] <zmatt> with rgmii only 2 groups of 6 signals that need to line up right, with max ±0.5 ns skew
  • [16:47:02] <zmatt> but 0.5 ns is a lot
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  • [16:47:30] <zmatt> (and you can probably get away with more than that)
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  • [16:50:20] <zmatt> the biggest problem is that you can't use the existing ethernet connector
  • [16:50:52] <zmatt> and the amount of wires you'd need to solder onto tiny smd pads
  • [16:51:13] <zmatt> I would probably end up solder-blobbing the whole thing together if I tried it :P
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  • [17:10:34] <zmatt> the most user-friendly solution would be to desolder the phy, crystal, and ethernet connector, and make a tiny pcb with the replacement ethernet phy + connector having appropriate solder pads on the bottom side to attach it to the BBB
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  • [17:12:58] <stt_michael> zmatt, doable with some of those sprung pins .. what do they call 'em .. err ..
  • [17:13:02] * stt_michael goes google ..
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  • [17:13:49] <stt_michael> yeah. Those. test pins
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