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  • [04:06:21] <iandow> I'm trying out Debian for the first time on my beaglebone, and I'm getting the following error when I try to use the Python PWM library:
  • [04:06:22] <iandow> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/slots'
  • [04:06:27] <iandow> Anyone know how to fix that?
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  • [04:42:35] <yates> is there some simple, non-linux-based code around for the BBB that will perform minimal initialization and flash an on-board LED?
  • [04:42:49] <yates> i saw this: http://beagleboard.org/Support/BoneScript/demo_blinkled
  • [04:43:15] <yates> but i think this may be simply running a program under linux. not sure though
  • [04:43:31] <zmatt> I posted such code to E2E, both a pure assembly version and a C++ version
  • [04:44:06] <zmatt> it even toggled the leds in response to pressing the S2 button (irq-driven)
  • [04:45:00] <yates> zmatt: sounds like exactly what i need. can you point please me more specifically?
  • [04:45:37] <yates> how do you get the code loaded? using the sdcard?
  • [04:46:00] <yates> sheesh. can you please point me ...
  • [04:46:05] <zmatt> yes looking already
  • [04:46:47] <zmatt> I think I'll just upload it to my own server, just want to check the files to see if I do anything there that I'd consider yucky nowadays ;)
  • [04:47:15] <yates> cool, thanks.
  • [04:49:56] <zmatt> only thing is, I can package up the assembly version no problem... for the C++ version I can only point you to the old one I posted on E2E quite a while ago and I'm not sure whether I do things there I'd consider to be a bad idea nowadays
  • [04:50:06] <yates> assembly is fine
  • [04:50:54] <yates> preferable, even.
  • [04:51:05] <yates> what cross-assembler do you use?
  • [04:51:22] <yates> are you building under windows or linux?
  • [04:51:25] <yates> (linux here)
  • [04:53:08] <zmatt> linux
  • [04:53:19] <zmatt> you can use pretty much any arm gcc toolchain
  • [04:53:27] <zmatt> arm-none-eabi, arm-linux-gnueabihf, doesn't matter
  • [04:53:47] <zmatt> since I don't use any libs, headers, even startfiles
  • [04:55:25] <yates> i see. that would be great.
  • [04:56:37] <yates> i saw this, but it's not complete: https://e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/p/312081/1085682
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  • [05:01:49] <zmatt> hum, this is odd, my code no longer links with the current debian arm-linux-gnueabihf toolchain
  • [05:02:28] <yates> what link error?
  • [05:03:45] <zmatt> fixed it, was missing -static ... it probably didn't work before either with this simplified Makefile (that replaced the behemoth of a Makefile derived from my baremetal C++ codebase)
  • [05:04:11] <yates> static libraries?
  • [05:04:12] <zmatt> the simplified one worked with arm-none-eabi since it has no dynamic linking anyway
  • [05:04:18] <zmatt> /usr/lib/gcc-cross/arm-linux-gnueabihf/5/../../../../arm-linux-gnueabihf/bin/ld: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.interp'
  • [05:04:45] <zmatt> like .interp ? what? oh crap it's trying to use the dynamic linker? hell no
  • [05:05:09] <zmatt> I should probably *test* whether the code works now, but I'm lazy so I'll just push it to github ;)
  • [05:05:37] <yates> what is the output, an elf file?
  • [05:06:08] <yates> how do you get that loaded at boot time?
  • [05:06:43] <zmatt> https://github.com/mvduin/bbb-asm-demo
  • [05:06:50] <zmatt> it produces 3 files
  • [05:07:15] <zmatt> demo.elf (for JTAG upload or debugging), demo.bin (peripheral boot), demo.MLO (memory boot)
  • [05:08:10] <yates> in memory boot, how do you get it into memory?
  • [05:08:25] <yates> thanks, btw!Q
  • [05:08:27] <zmatt> put the demo.MLO on a fat-formatted sd card, rename it to MLO, boot the BBB from it
  • [05:08:49] <yates> oh, very good!
  • [05:08:53] <zmatt> I usually use peripheral boot, specifically netboot
  • [05:09:18] <yates> is that a boot mode? (netboot)
  • [05:09:46] <yates> nm.
  • [05:09:52] <yates> i'll do the mlo approach.
  • [05:09:59] <zmatt> yes, ROM supports booting via a ton of ways
  • [05:10:13] <yates> let me do some playing around.
  • [05:10:36] <yates> fyi, we just got our custom board a week or so and now am trying to bring up the processor.
  • [05:10:56] <zmatt> do check then whether the GPIOs being toggled are appropriate in your case
  • [05:11:06] <yates> what GPIOS?
  • [05:11:21] <zmatt> the leds of the BBB
  • [05:11:22] <yates> oh
  • [05:11:35] <yates> oh, yes, copied those from the BBB
  • [05:11:55] <zmatt> just check main.S to see what the program actually does
  • [05:12:22] <yates> is there a way to detect if the processor is running the rom boot code without loading anything?
  • [05:12:57] <zmatt> what boot mode do you have configured? (sysboot0-15)
  • [05:13:05] <yates> 403c
  • [05:13:08] <yates> no
  • [05:13:10] <yates> 403c
  • [05:13:21] <yates> bah! eyes are getting cloudy...
  • [05:13:43] <yates> with the normal boot mode switch to change it.
  • [05:13:59] <yates> we copied a lot of stuff from the bbb, just not everything
  • [05:14:09] <zmatt> then if ROM doesn't find anything bootable on eMMC or SD, it will try uart boot
  • [05:14:15] <zmatt> you see CCCCCC on the serial port
  • [05:14:29] <zmatt> next in the boot order is usb
  • [05:14:48] <yates> which serial port?
  • [05:14:52] <zmatt> uart0
  • [05:15:04] <zmatt> same as the serial console on the BBB
  • [05:15:56] <zmatt> next in the boot order is USB... if connected as device to a host it'll appear as a network interface (RNDIS)
  • [05:17:49] <zmatt> note that iirc once enumerated as usb device the boot process will hang in attempting to boot via usb
  • [05:17:57] <veremit> zmatt.. you talkin to urself again .. :p
  • [05:18:07] <yates> what is it looking for on the sdcard? i.e., how does it know to skip the sdcard or not? obviously there is the card_detected output, but does it look for a master boot record or somesuch (or a magic number)?
  • [05:18:22] <veremit> or am I suffering over-aggressive ignore filters once again :/
  • [05:18:23] <zmatt> yates: yes, described in detail in the TRM
  • [05:18:36] <zmatt> veremit: that
  • [05:18:38] <yates> ok, i'll look there.
  • [05:18:42] <veremit> hrm great
  • [05:18:43] <yates> thanks matt!
  • [05:19:06] <zmatt> yates: but summary is: FAT-formatted partition, must be first partition and marked bootable
  • [05:19:15] <zmatt> looks for file named "MLO" in the root of the filesystem
  • [05:19:42] <yates> right, but we're not even sure our sdcard interface is good.
  • [05:19:52] <zmatt> you don't have JTAG ?
  • [05:20:18] <yates> we actually had a mechanical problem with the holder, and had to lift it with some funky solder work
  • [05:20:19] <yates> nope
  • [05:20:39] <zmatt> ... bringing up a custom board with no jtag
  • [05:20:41] <yates> we thought we'd wait and see if we absolutely needed it before spending the money.
  • [05:20:48] <zmatt> that's a bit like bringing up a custom kernel without a serial console
  • [05:21:00] <yates> yeah, i hear you. i asked for it at least 2 times, but the PM is cheap!
  • [05:21:00] <zmatt> if it works, it works
  • [05:21:12] <yates> program manager
  • [05:21:18] <zmatt> if it doesn't work, you're blindly groping around in the dark
  • [05:21:28] <zmatt> do you have ethernet on your board?
  • [05:21:32] <yates> ohhh, aahhhh, ...
  • [05:21:36] <yates> yes!
  • [05:21:46] <yates> i insisted on that - they were going to remove ti!
  • [05:21:50] <yates> it
  • [05:22:33] <zmatt> can you pull sysboot to something that includes ethernet? on the BBB I pull down sysboot2 and pull up sysboot0
  • [05:22:55] <zmatt> that yields boot order { spi, mmc0, eth, uart }
  • [05:23:00] <yates> if we can't get the assembly code to work, then i think i'm going to insist we get a jtag
  • [05:23:13] <yates> zmatt: how do you boot off the eth?
  • [05:23:32] <zmatt> well first see if it attempts the boot at all
  • [05:23:39] <yates> how?
  • [05:23:44] <yates> what are we looking for?
  • [05:23:45] <zmatt> if I understand correctly you're still looking for *some* sign of life right?
  • [05:23:46] <zmatt> packets
  • [05:23:49] <yates> yes.
  • [05:23:51] <zmatt> bootp requests to be specific
  • [05:24:28] <yates> we are seeing the following: 1) the 24 MHz clkout1 is running, 2) some clocks to the SDCARD, 3) some activity on uart0
  • [05:24:37] <yates> so it looks like it is alive, somewhat..
  • [05:24:48] <zmatt> ok so ROM is running and trying to boot
  • [05:25:04] <yates> does the boot code require the DRAM to be present and working? (even just a few bytes of it?)
  • [05:25:09] <zmatt> no
  • [05:25:23] <yates> all register based?
  • [05:25:25] <zmatt> neither does my application
  • [05:25:30] <zmatt> there's 128 KB of on-chip SRAM
  • [05:25:34] <yates> oh!
  • [05:25:39] <yates> gotta read the damn trm.
  • [05:25:40] <yates> ...
  • [05:25:45] <yates> RTFM!
  • [05:26:01] <zmatt> yes, it's only like 5000 pages or something, sheesh, get reading already
  • [05:26:02] <zmatt> ;)
  • [05:26:25] <yates> ok, this has been most helpful! if you're even in NC, USA, I owe you two guiness stout!
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  • [05:26:34] <yates> ever
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  • [05:26:42] <zmatt> hehe, I don't drink beer, but thanks
  • [05:27:18] <yates> nite! bedtime here.
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  • [05:27:36] <zmatt> I'm about to push an example dnsmasq config
  • [05:27:38] <zmatt> for netbooting
  • [05:28:58] <Set_> Hello...
  • [05:31:57] <Set_> Okay, does anyone use Pocket Sphinx or another type of voice recognition on their BBB?
  • [05:32:49] <Set_> I am asking b/c my alsamixer, espeak, and Pocket Sphinx are not working out well.
  • [05:33:10] <Set_> Send support for voice recog. stuff on the BBB if you dare.
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  • [05:43:41] <ds2> pocket sphinx works fine
  • [05:43:54] <ds2> a bit slow but functional
  • [05:50:12] <Set_> Oh.
  • [05:50:14] <Set_> Okay.
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  • [05:50:29] <Set_> I tried espeak and alsamixer. They say this works fine too.
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  • [05:50:58] <Set_> I am having an issue with my BBB and the alsamixer software. I can only play 8 bit sound for some reason.
  • [05:51:46] <Set_> ds2: If you have some extra time, please let me know how I can change the alsamixer setting for bits of sound.
  • [05:54:12] <ds2> what are you using for audio input?
  • [05:54:27] <ds2> I don't use alsa, PS can take input from a raw audio stream
  • [05:54:54] <Set_> I am using a USB Sound Adapter.
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  • [05:55:16] <Set_> I get sound on the BBB but it is in 8 bit.
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  • [05:55:46] <Set_> I have dealt with others who say it works and I have to configure it but the "--help" options only supply so much info.
  • [05:56:56] <ds2> how do you know it is 8bit?
  • [05:57:03] <Set_> I would have to hate to buy new hardware to make this sound work. Dang man. Oh...
  • [05:57:15] <Set_> It says when it plays. It states it.
  • [05:57:23] <ds2> how are you playing it then?
  • [05:57:32] <ds2> most USB audio drivers are not 8 bit
  • [05:57:52] <Set_> It plays but in 8 bit and it sounds like garble, slush, garble.
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  • [05:58:17] <ds2> how are you playing it?
  • [05:58:28] <Set_> It is not making music from my .wav file. It is playing a constant mucus of sounds.
  • [05:58:42] <Set_> Oh headphones.
  • [05:59:14] <ds2> HOW
  • [05:59:17] <Set_> I tried speakers and I tried two separate speakers. I get the same audio out of it.
  • [05:59:26] <ds2> are you telling me you plug in headphones and magically audio comes out?
  • [05:59:40] <Set_> The USB adapter has a plug for speakers and a mic.
  • [05:59:42] <veremit> Set .. your beagle does not have an audio jack .. WHERE is the sound coming from?
  • [05:59:54] <Set_> The usb adapter.
  • [06:00:00] <veremit> progress :)
  • [06:00:17] <Set_> I typed that up there earlier.
  • [06:00:23] <Set_> Meany.
  • [06:00:46] <ds2> I donno what kind of usb adapter you have. most do not play sounds without doing something
  • [06:00:58] <ds2> prehaps you have a MP3 player on a dongle?
  • [06:01:20] <Set_> I will tell you exactly what my prompt says when I play .wav files.
  • [06:01:42] <Set_> No...it is a .wav file that I downloaded onto my BBB by way of a specific program.
  • [06:01:57] <Set_> I used WinSCP.
  • [06:02:24] <vagrantc> what command do you run to attempt to play the .wav file?
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  • [06:02:39] <Set_> aplay blah.wav
  • [06:03:10] <veremit> and you've sorted an /etc/asound.conf ?
  • [06:03:31] <Set_> Sorted it how?
  • [06:03:40] <Set_> I can but I have not done such a thing.
  • [06:04:46] <Set_> I have been in my...oh. You mean "cat /proc/asound/cards?"
  • [06:04:57] <veremit> no
  • [06:05:01] <Set_> Oh?
  • [06:05:03] <veremit> I mean configuring ALSA
  • [06:05:09] <veremit> so that it doesnt do stupid shit
  • [06:05:10] <veremit> :)
  • [06:05:42] <Set_> Ha. I need support on this I guess. I tried to use their "--help" function and the prompt only gives me so many options.
  • [06:05:52] <Set_> I will go to /etc/asound real quick.
  • [06:05:54] <veremit> I wouldn't expect udev/etc to set up alsa for you when you plug it in
  • [06:06:08] <veremit> thats more like a pulseaudio trick
  • [06:06:59] <veremit> /etc/asound.conf may not exist .. you might have to create it
  • [06:07:20] <Set_> Yea...it does not. What do I do when I create it?
  • [06:08:40] <Set_> I have a file I need to type into "nano" or "vim" to tell the BBB to go use USB instead of other things for sound.
  • [06:10:38] <Set_> Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
  • [06:10:38] <Set_> ...This is what it says.
  • [06:11:16] <veremit> niiiiice
  • [06:11:45] <Set_> Yea right. I got garbage coming out of my headphones.
  • [06:12:10] <Set_> I need it to say 16 bit, Rate 24000 Hz, Stereo
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  • [06:13:17] <Set_> I was very happy with life and then I started to listen to this book. Ouch, I have taken almost life's last breath doing good by the book.
  • [06:13:20] <Set_> Ouch is right.
  • [06:14:07] <Set_> Sound adapters, alsamixer, espeak, and the BBB have taken my nice pronunciation and turned it into %&&$, %&#@@, and %*#*%.
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  • [06:17:01] <Set_> ...I do not know if it is the adapter, the software, or a combination of it.
  • [06:21:19] <Set_> Hell...it could be the book. I will give up for now. Thank you for your support.
  • [06:21:33] <veremit> http://andicelabs.com/2014/03/usb-audio-beaglebone/
  • [06:22:00] <veremit> 99% sure it'll be trying to use hdmi as your default device first off ...
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  • [06:23:36] <Set_> It does...but I can change that with typing in a file. The file reads: pcm.!defualt sysdefault:
  • [06:25:14] <ds2> if you are playing a wave file, check the file itself
  • [06:25:25] <ds2> it may have bad headers or missing headers (i.e. not atrue wave file)
  • [06:25:39] <ds2> try using sox to set the same rate and regenerate the wav file
  • [06:25:48] <ds2> in any case, I don't see the relevance of this to PS
  • [06:25:50] <Set_> Okay. I will check the .wav file.
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  • [06:26:53] <ds2> you can also try to give parameters to aplay
  • [06:27:28] <ds2> i.e. aplay -r 44000 dumb.wav
  • [06:27:51] <ds2> but wav is suppose to have a header specifying the sample rate and sample type
  • [06:27:59] <Set_> Okay...thank you. I was unaware of that.
  • [06:28:18] <ds2> there are also raw files. sox can convert between them
  • [06:28:45] <ds2> PS should configure ALSA for the format it wants (assuming you are using ALSA)
  • [06:29:14] <vagrantc> could try something other than aplay as well ...
  • [06:29:21] <Set_> Oh?
  • [06:29:24] <Set_> Like...
  • [06:29:29] <ds2> sox
  • [06:29:30] <ds2> ;)
  • [06:29:39] <Set_> sox plays music too?
  • [06:29:57] <vagrantc> alsaplayer? vlc?
  • [06:30:04] <ds2> sox is amazing
  • [06:30:10] <Set_> I use alsamixer.
  • [06:30:16] <Set_> I will try sox.
  • [06:30:42] <ds2> alsamixer is not relevant to the is problem
  • [06:30:52] <Set_> Oh.
  • [06:31:05] <Set_> Okay...So, it has to be the .wav file or my hardware set up?
  • [06:31:28] <ds2> wav file setup
  • [06:31:46] <ds2> you can always ditch the hw
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  • [06:32:12] <Set_> I can see now where I may have saved it as a .wav file in the wrong area.
  • [06:32:16] <ds2> audio can be done with a few dollars of interfacing on the BB*
  • [06:32:22] <Set_> Oh?
  • [06:32:31] <ds2> wav file support in software can vary quite a bit
  • [06:32:38] <ds2> hence the usefulness of sox
  • [06:32:44] <Set_> I need a mic and a speaker.
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  • [06:33:10] <Set_> My mic is for the machine understanding commands and the speaker is for it to reply.
  • [06:33:17] <ds2> you can do audio out with a transistor (<$0.25) and a few resistors
  • [06:33:24] <ds2> audio in can be done via the ADC
  • [06:33:34] <Set_> The bot is built and the motors and motor controllers work.
  • [06:33:35] <ds2> that's my setup. got better things to do with the USB port :D
  • [06:33:53] <ds2> where Geographically are you?
  • [06:34:08] <Set_> America!
  • [06:34:12] <ds2> what state?
  • [06:34:18] <Set_> Louisiana!
  • [06:34:38] <Set_> Where there are no nice shops for electronics.
  • [06:34:42] <ds2> working on something not too far from that
  • [06:34:46] <Set_> Oh?
  • [06:34:50] <ds2> who needs local shops.Mouser and Digikey :D
  • [06:34:55] <Set_> Yea...I know.
  • [06:35:13] <ds2> got the BBB stuff working; need to build the mechanicals.
  • [06:35:25] <ds2> what are you using for motor and motor controller
  • [06:35:26] <ds2> ?
  • [06:35:27] <Set_> I use both. I am actually looking for element14 to come through with a 12-pin, two-row 0.05" set of headers.
  • [06:35:39] <Set_> I have a bot with two wheels.
  • [06:36:06] <ds2> Newark is good for those odder headers
  • [06:36:09] <ds2> self balancing?
  • [06:36:23] <Set_> No...it has a roller for the third wheel.
  • [06:36:40] <ds2> that's what i am shooting for too
  • [06:36:57] <Set_> A self-balancing or specific headers?
  • [06:37:20] <ds2> 2 driven wheel + a free roller
  • [06:37:32] <Set_> Oh...they have a ton of those on the market.
  • [06:37:54] <ds2> i think we are desync/ed.
  • [06:38:02] <Set_> I went to robotshop.com and they had enough to pick from...
  • [06:38:11] <Set_> Oh...
  • [06:38:27] <ds2> <adds more context to resync things>What kind of motor are you going for?
  • [06:39:05] <Set_> I have two Tamiya motors
  • [06:39:48] <ds2> small robot?
  • [06:39:53] <Set_> Yea.
  • [06:40:19] <Set_> It is about 7 x 5.
  • [06:40:46] <ds2> how are you powering it? that doesn't leave much room for batteries
  • [06:41:19] <Set_> I know...I have to use batteries for the motor controllers and I will have a power bank for the BBB.
  • [06:42:07] <ds2> what was your reasoning for picking those motors?
  • [06:43:04] <ds2> I am going with a continuous rotation servo to keep it simple
  • [06:43:20] <Set_> None...it came with my set up.
  • [06:43:52] <ds2> Ohhhh you got kit :D
  • [06:43:57] <Set_> They are DAGU and not Tamiya. SOrry.
  • [06:44:22] <Set_> Sort of. It was a Chassie and motors with some rims.
  • [06:44:36] <Set_> It is a Magician Chassis.
  • [06:44:51] <Set_> I think they sell a lot of them.
  • [06:45:10] <ds2> I felt adventurous and decided to build the chasis but that's taking forever :/
  • [06:45:21] <Set_> Augh...what did you use?
  • [06:45:32] <Set_> Wood or plastic?
  • [06:45:42] <Set_> Metal?
  • [06:45:44] <ds2> metal
  • [06:45:47] <Set_> Yea boy!
  • [06:45:55] <ds2> sheetmetal to make a tubular frame
  • [06:46:01] <Set_> Oh.
  • [06:46:13] <ds2> figure it was the easiest way to mount the servos
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  • [06:46:27] <Set_> I do not have any laser cutter or high pressured water cutter.
  • [06:46:40] <ds2> shears from the hw store
  • [06:46:45] <Set_> I cannot use the heavy metal yet.
  • [06:46:49] <ds2> and a metal brake from harbor freight
  • [06:46:55] <ds2> no, this is thin sheet metal
  • [06:47:00] <Set_> Cool...
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  • [06:47:13] <Set_> I always wanted one of those water cutters.
  • [06:47:19] <Set_> Those things look impressive.
  • [06:47:28] <ds2> $$$$$ and takes a lot of space
  • [06:47:38] <Set_> I know. I looked 'em up. Too much.
  • [06:47:39] <ds2> easier to mill them on a bridgeport
  • [06:48:00] <ds2> or CNC them on a HAAS. No need to be fancy with a waterjet
  • [06:48:05] <Set_> People are into routers. I like laser and water.
  • [06:48:33] <Set_> I see people make these homemade waterjets and xyz routers.
  • [06:48:49] <Set_> it is cool. I think the FPGA and BBB can attempt this.
  • [06:48:54] <ds2> routers don't work well on heavier metal
  • [06:49:08] <Set_> Yep.
  • [06:49:13] <ds2> would much rather have a bridgeport then a flimsy router
  • [06:49:46] <Set_> I have a trimmer. I do not have a router. It sucks. So, I have to think small.
  • [06:50:10] <ds2> as in those rotozip thing?
  • [06:50:16] <Set_> Trim here, cut there, route this...but I have to remember to keep it small. Thinner than sheet metal too.
  • [06:50:40] <Set_> I got that but I was talking about the multi-tool I have.
  • [06:51:09] <Set_> ...
  • [06:51:43] <ds2> it isn't the tools itself. it is more important to know how to apply it
  • [06:51:53] <Set_> yea. You are very right.
  • [06:52:09] <Set_> Power on bigger items is not always a winner.
  • [06:52:38] <Set_> So anyway...
  • [06:52:54] <ds2> Good luck sorting out the audio... should be a fun journey
  • [06:53:02] <Set_> I got this bot, the assembly is done, the hardware is here and I am working with it, but...
  • [06:53:08] <Set_> Oh...thank you.
  • [06:53:41] <Set_> I found where my audio "alsa" is located in my directories/tree.
  • [06:54:24] <Set_> I saw the software behind it and I viewed it with nano.
  • [06:54:56] <Set_> I was going to change some. I figured it would show the 8 vs. 16 bit portion of code in there.
  • [06:55:15] <Set_> ...I was wrong. But thank you, I will keep plugging away.
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  • [07:58:09] <Set_> http://alsa.opensrc.org/Aplay shows a "help" page with some nice info. on alsamixer and the Utils from alsa. Enjoy...
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  • [07:58:48] <Set_> Oh and if you are using alsamixer, the 16 bit version is in there. Boo-Ya, my skiggity!
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  • [08:09:25] <Set_> I jumped the gun again. Dang!
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  • [08:20:56] <Set_> Well, I found their wiki. This is good news. Yet...I am stuck again. Onto plugging! boy!
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  • [08:29:13] <Set_> Okay, okay, okay. I got it now.
  • [08:29:49] <Set_> I have a .wma file and not a .wav file. I think this is my concern. Do you know where I can exchange .wma into .wav files?
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  • [08:33:28] <veremit> Set_ .. ffmpeg is your friend
  • [08:33:45] <veremit> but it shouldn't make a difference .. most players can play anything these days
  • [08:35:04] <Set_> That is what I thought but it distinctly told me to use a .wav file.
  • [08:35:26] <veremit> books/tutorials such wonderful things........
  • [08:35:29] <Set_> I am about to use media.io.
  • [08:35:48] <Set_> Yea...I know. I just wanted some input on this one.
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  • [08:36:10] <Set_> Thank you again.
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  • [09:00:40] <Set_> Why me?
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  • [09:03:57] <tbr> because the universe hates you, deeply.
  • [09:06:11] <Set_> I know.
  • [09:07:48] <Set_> Okay...get this. I got alsamixer. It works. We all know. I got me a file converter. The .wav file has been made. When I "aplay myfile.wav" is when I get playback:2715:read error.
  • [09:07:52] <Set_> Help a brother!
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  • [09:08:32] <Set_> I looked up that specific error. Notta.
  • [09:11:09] <KotH> why dont you use something like mplayer,mpv,... and play the file directly instead of using aplay which is only ment as a demonstrator how to use alsa?
  • [09:11:50] <Set_> Oh...I need to use this file to record sound, write sound to verbal instruction, and get feedback from my verbal instruction.
  • [09:12:14] <Set_> alsamixer does this partially with espeak and PocketSphinx.
  • [09:15:32] <Set_> I have some good news though. I got the mic to work now.
  • [09:15:34] <Set_> Boy!
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  • [10:14:43] <nobe> is this irc channel the right place to talk about the BB-X15 kernel devicetree files ?
  • [10:15:03] <tbr> possibly, yeah
  • [10:16:12] <nobe> i had a look into them, and the cpu thermal zone is defined in omap4-cpu-thermal.dtsi
  • [10:16:16] * tbr should dust off his X15 again and play with it
  • [10:16:48] <nobe> i don't understand why alert temp is defined to 100°C and crit temp to 125°C
  • [10:17:55] <nobe> it seems to me crit temp should be teemp junction, and afaik it's 105°C (online datasheet)
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  • [10:21:38] <tbr> there is currently a discussion about temperature measurements and shutdown on the X15 group/mailing list. have you checked that?
  • [10:22:07] <nobe> yes, that's why i talk about it
  • [10:24:41] <nobe> in fact, i saw a problem which seems similar with the dragonboard 410c, and they seem to have fixed it after fixing those values https://www.96boards.org/forums/topic/recommended-heatsinkfan-for-410c/#post-9838
  • [10:25:48] <tbr> might want to bring it up on the list. I'm not sure if NishanthMenon reads hilights here (also texas is still asleep)
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  • [10:37:34] <nobe> i just tried to reply to joe...@gmail.com message in the list but i don't see my message there
  • [10:37:51] <nobe> i guess there is some filter in place or so
  • [10:39:10] <tbr> not sure.
  • [10:39:15] <tbr> google groups is weird
  • [10:39:26] <tbr> I only use its mailinglist mode
  • [10:40:05] <tbr> btw: I do think you have a point. 125 °C sounds a tad high for a soc...
  • [10:40:51] <nobe> from what i understand, 125°C is the highest temperature the on-chip sensor can read
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  • [10:47:24] <nobe> to send a message there, i just need to send a mail to beagleboard-x15@googlegroups.com, right ?
  • [10:48:32] <tbr> after subscribing, yes. else it will end up in a moderation queue AFAIU
  • [10:51:24] <nobe> ok thx
  • [10:51:56] <nobe> my subscription request is still not accepted, that's why my message doesn't appear in the list
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  • [12:24:53] <NishanthMenon> tbr, I am awake now.
  • [12:26:50] <NishanthMenon> nobe, yeah - the initial 125C is based on autograde SoC variant. I think you are correct that the industrial variant of SoC is 105C and the dts should have an override
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  • [12:27:34] <NishanthMenon> nobe, i think the trouble started by having to reuse much of the configurations across SoC variations..
  • [12:30:29] <NishanthMenon> going offline for an hr or so.. will be back. nobe : ping me if you need me once I am back..
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  • [16:55:36] <dwery> Hello.. it may sound stupid, but... capemanager sucesfully loaded a dtbo that I can't find on disk, in /lib/firmware/. Have dtbo been placed somewhere else recently?
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  • [17:16:44] <abferm> Just probing around, how much demand do you guys think there is for a kernel module for hd44780 compatible LCDs? I am working on one for work, and we are thinking about publishing it open source. It loads all information from the device tree about which gpio to use and the screen dimensions. It currently only operates in 4-bit mode(read, write, and hopefully soon some busy flag checking) as that is what our hardware is set up for here at wo
  • [17:18:00] <tbr> abferm: sounds cool. I think I have two of those and was too lazy to do anything with them so far :D
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  • [17:25:52] <dwery> abferm: never seen on ein the kernel, I think it could be appreciated
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  • [17:40:23] <vmcsnekke> anyone have experiece with BeagleBoard-X15 ?
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  • [17:40:38] <jkridner> vmcsnekke: I do, but that's not fair. :-)
  • [17:40:54] <jkridner> I've sent out a few dozen boards so far to early developers.
  • [17:41:11] * jkridner looks at _av500_ to see if he ever powered it up.
  • [17:41:23] <zmatt> abferm: using lcdc in "lidd" (remote framebuffer) mode you mean?
  • [17:41:36] <vmcsnekke> ok, TRM says the first stage bootloader (u-boot I guess) cannot be larger than 504k, so do we need 2 bootloaders ?
  • [17:41:56] <jkridner> vmcsnekke: we use SPL as the first stage bootloader.
  • [17:42:02] <vmcsnekke> what is SPL ?
  • [17:42:07] <jkridner> support is already in mainline u-boot.
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  • [17:42:20] <jkridner> it is a special configuration of u-boot to make it small.
  • [17:42:22] <zmatt> wait what, u-boot does not fit in half a fucking megabyte?!? seriously?
  • [17:42:33] <jkridner> we essentially use u-boot (SPL) to load u-boot (normal).
  • [17:43:03] <vmcsnekke> zmatt, i wanted to ask same question
  • [17:43:14] <jkridner> zmatt: it is rather scalable. u-boot is like a freaking operating system without a scheduler. loaded with drivers, just no traditional OS stuff.
  • [17:43:16] <vmcsnekke> the plain u-boot does not fir in 504k ???
  • [17:43:38] <zmatt> jkridner: you could fit a multitasking OS in that much space just fine
  • [17:43:42] <jkridner> I don't know how big it is right now. I just know it can grow pretty big.
  • [17:43:48] <jkridner> zmatt: true.
  • [17:44:08] <vmcsnekke> how to select between SPL and non-SPL ?
  • [17:44:22] <vmcsnekke> different build target ?
  • [17:44:23] <jkridner> again, it has a ton of drivers and junk. very scalable though, thus SPL is the same code as u-boot, just a build config away.
  • [17:44:29] <jkridner> vmcsnekke: yup.
  • [17:45:11] <zmatt> abferm: but just fyi, lcdc has explicit support for the Hitachi protocol (and a few others)
  • [17:45:13] <vmcsnekke> ok, thx a lot guys!
  • [17:46:12] <jkridner> I believe https://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBoard-X15#BeagleBoard-X15-Bootloader:U-Boot instructions builds both, SPL and u-boot.img
  • [17:46:43] * jkridner wonders why it pulls from a TI fork. :(
  • [17:47:10] <jkridner> mainline u-boot does have x15 support.
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  • [17:48:32] <iandow> Has anyone had any problems getting PWM to work on the beaglebone? I just upgraded my OS, now I'm getting slot errors for my servo scripts. I think I need to enable some kind of overlay.
  • [17:48:37] <jkridner> be sure to check out patches like http://git.denx.de/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot/u-boot-arm.git;a=commit;h=74cc8b097d9aff8b8671396f66ece4cf2de0a36d in the mainline
  • [17:49:07] <vagrantc> most of the u-boot.img in debian are ~450-500k
  • [17:49:25] <vmcsnekke> yeah, i've seen it, it sure looks like ti has done some serious open-source/community/call-it-whatever support businuss, which is good imo
  • [17:49:49] <jkridner> mainline X15 patches: http://git.denx.de/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=x15
  • [17:50:01] <vagrantc> oh wait, more like ~225-350
  • [17:50:31] <vagrantc> did the FCC issues for the beagle-x15 get worked out?
  • [17:50:33] <jkridner> vmcsnekke: some thanks trini
  • [17:50:48] <jkridner> vagrantc: still working it. HDMI is the culprit.
  • [17:51:39] * vagrantc wonders why people can't just live with serial console
  • [17:53:32] <veremit> lol
  • [17:53:33] <Spidler_> Because touch screen serial consoles are so utterly annoying ;)
  • [17:54:07] <veremit> if you need hdmi .. use a Rpi *cough, splutter* lol XD
  • [17:54:37] <zmatt> well to be fair the x15 is a *bit* more video-oriented than the bbb, or even the rpi :P
  • [17:54:58] <veremit> zmatt .. you mean it actualyl has some ;P
  • [17:55:18] <Spidler_> Eh, the x15 seems to be a decent ARM workstation .
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  • [17:55:59] <veremit> Spidler_ .. probably true . but shame about the price-point :)
  • [17:56:04] <zmatt> veremit: it supports 4 independent digital video outputs (hdmi + three 24-bit wide parallel video ports available via expansion headers)
  • [17:56:07] <zmatt> :P
  • [17:56:23] <veremit> zmatt .. not bad :]
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  • [17:57:29] <zmatt> although to use all of those I think you'd also sacrifice all of its 10 video input ports
  • [17:57:51] <veremit> ah it's only dual-core :/ but the dsp cores are NIIICE
  • [17:57:53] <zmatt> but you'd need to check the pinmux tables to see what exactly can be used at the same time
  • [17:58:05] <veremit> zmatt .. you haven't completed those yet?! ;]
  • [17:58:17] <abferm> zmatt: I'm not using lcdc at all. Just changing pinmuxes and bit-banging gpio from kernel space.
  • [17:58:30] <veremit> abferm: *shudder*
  • [17:58:39] <zmatt> veremit: I made a decent start.... https://goo.gl/S4t2lw
  • [17:58:49] <veremit> zmatt .. good, good :) lol
  • [17:58:56] <veremit> tea . brb
  • [18:00:02] <abferm> It is a character LCD...I haven't seen any implementations anywhere.
  • [18:00:10] <zmatt> the signals tab still needs more work, but already shows the available iosets for the vin/vout ports (scroll to near the bottom)
  • [18:00:19] <abferm> At least not read/write capable.
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  • [18:02:00] <zmatt> abferm: see the LCDC chapter of the TRM, e.g. section 13.3.4
  • [18:02:51] <veremit> zmatt: but is it implemented in the ti lcdc driver?
  • [18:02:53] <zmatt> I've done a tiny bit of playing with it
  • [18:03:09] <zmatt> veremit: no, it's a totally completely different mode of operation of the lcdc
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  • [18:03:26] <veremit> zmatt: in which case he's starting from scratch anyway
  • [18:03:33] <zmatt> basically it's two different peripherals in one, with a global pinmux-bit between them at the toplevel
  • [18:03:55] <veremit> [he] with no gender bias....
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  • [18:04:48] <veremit> rcn been back since t'g ?
  • [18:04:51] <zmatt> veremit: yeah but constructing a bus protocol with gpio is obviously a lot more bother than having hardware do it for you
  • [18:05:04] <zmatt> plus you get support for dma-writes
  • [18:05:11] <veremit> zmatt: woo.
  • [18:05:44] <veremit> zmatt .. the only thing is, would you have to disable the existing lcdc to re-use it as a lcd driver?
  • [18:06:03] <zmatt> you'd change its "compatible" in DT
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  • [18:06:07] <veremit> and, more importantly, Does it support 8 bit?! lol
  • [18:06:21] <veremit> working with nibbles is a pain
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  • [18:06:48] <zmatt> 4-bit and 8-bit yes
  • [18:07:25] <zmatt> see also the LCDC tab of https://goo.gl/Jkcg0w :P
  • [18:07:26] * veremit adds DT to the 'must-learn' list under python ..
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  • [18:12:13] <zmatt> DT itself is really dumb and simple; what matters is how the kernel/drivers interpret the DT data
  • [18:12:55] <veremit> zmatt.. presumably you got some limited control over that too
  • [18:13:20] <zmatt> for which you can check the binding docs in Documentation/devicetree/bindings/, then pee over it, and check the sources to see how they interpret it in reality
  • [18:14:13] <zmatt> sure you have control over that, it's called "patching the kernel" ;)
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  • [18:27:32] <veremit> zmatt .. its not like we adopt mainline kernel anyway .. anywhere .. anyhow lol
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  • [18:35:08] <nerdboy> pretty close, ask Robert...
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  • [18:37:31] <abferm> zmatt: Your kidding me... I wish I had seen that before I designed my hardware...
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  • [18:41:17] <zmatt> lesson learned: next time, be sure to read the TRM cover to cover ;-)
  • [18:41:28] <nerdboy> except for overlays maybe, most everything else was "almost" there...
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  • [18:42:19] <abferm> zmatt: the other way to look at this is my code should port to any hardware, not just am335x platforms.
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  • [18:45:50] <zmatt> whoooops
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  • [18:45:51] <zmatt> ... \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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  • [18:45:59] <zmatt> ... \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
  • [18:46:04] <zmatt> wirry
  • [18:46:07] <zmatt> something went very wrong there :$
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  • [18:46:42] <julius> yeah
  • [18:46:44] <julius> ;)
  • [18:50:15] <zmatt> abferm: yeah, lcdc would limit your audience, although iirc omap's dss has something similar (RFB)
  • [18:50:41] <zmatt> but of course not compatible
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  • [18:57:43] <abferm> maybe future expansion could support lcdc if present.
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  • [19:00:24] <zmatt> at least I'd suggest keeping a clean boundary along those lines
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  • [19:01:20] <zmatt> since there may be more ways to create the actual bus signalling required
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  • [19:07:55] <[Butch]> Folks, I have a super weird question for you.
  • [19:08:08] <[Butch]> I’m unable to run any bonescript from withing C9.
  • [19:08:38] <[Butch]> If I try the simplest program, I get the evil “object <bleh> has no method ‘pinMode’”
  • [19:08:43] <[Butch]> Even something as simple as this:
  • [19:08:44] <[Butch]> var b = require('bonescript');
  • [19:08:44] <[Butch]> var inputPin = 'P8_19';
  • [19:08:45] <[Butch]> b.pinMode(inputPin, b.INPUT);
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  • [19:09:01] <[Butch]> However, if I run the examples in the web page on the bone, things work.
  • [19:09:03] <[Butch]> Thoughts?
  • [19:09:17] <[Butch]> Well, thoughts other than, “He’s an idiot.”
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  • [19:46:52] <veremit> [Butch] .. probably an environment or permissions issue?
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  • [19:48:33] <[Butch]> But c9 is supposed to be self-contained, right? I shouldn’t be able to casually screw something up?
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  • [19:55:54] <[Butch]> I’m trying to update it. We’ll see if that fixes anything.
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  • [20:03:48] <veremit> [Butch].. lots of silly things to "go wrong" under linux
  • [20:04:05] <veremit> rcn-ee - just the man I want to see .. :) how goes?
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  • [20:06:25] <rcn-ee> good how you veremit
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  • [20:09:02] <veremit> not so bad, keepin busy, as ever :)
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  • [20:09:45] <veremit> wondered whether you'd met the aw h3 on anything yet?
  • [20:09:55] <rcn-ee> yeah things got busy over thanksgiving. ;)
  • [20:10:26] <veremit> I figured .. hope you got some time off :)
  • [20:10:28] <rcn-ee> haven't picked up a h3 yet.. was looking at one..
  • [20:11:05] <veremit> I bought one .. ona whim .. orange pi plus .. quite nice board
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  • [20:11:27] <rcn-ee> yeah that was the one i was looking at..
  • [20:11:48] <veremit> recommend it .. just .. the sw support isn't .. great, shall we say
  • [20:12:12] <veremit> although things are definitely moving .. kernel support and uboot are both coming up
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  • [20:12:34] <rcn-ee> yeah. ;) this is my current project, was helping mirkix on his cape, then next thing i knew i started ordering copter parts: https://github.com/mirkix/BBBMINI/blob/master/doc/pic/bbbminipcbquad.png
  • [20:12:53] <veremit> lol @ copters ...
  • [20:13:05] <rcn-ee> beagle powered! ;)
  • [20:13:56] <veremit> looks pretty awesome .. is it flying?
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  • [20:17:37] <rcn-ee> veremit, yeap... flying on fedex's transport. ;)
  • [20:17:37] <vagrantc> a swimming quad-copter
  • [20:17:48] <rcn-ee> it'll be a bucket of parts for next few weeks.
  • [20:19:29] <veremit> ah hehe
  • [20:19:40] <veremit> work-in-progress then :)
  • [20:23:47] <[Butch]> Well, the update of c9 didn’t help. :-(
  • [20:25:37] <veremit> [Butch]: nope its more fundamental than that ... if the web page version works .. its the way you're doing it
  • [20:26:25] <veremit> rcn-ee: so can I interest you in making a build package for the opi .. ;)
  • [20:27:11] <veremit> I've got an image working on mine .. some guy in the forum has done a lot of work tidying up the distros .. think he's got a buildroot or similar going
  • [20:27:26] <veremit> but its stuck at 3.4 kernel and some ancient uboot iirc.
  • [20:27:43] <veremit> hold up .. lets fire the damn thing up
  • [20:28:07] <veremit> it doesn't like my dvi video switch though .. at all ..
  • [20:32:05] <veremit> rcn-ee: flashed the eMMC ok, networking, wifi all work .. running jessie with xfce currently here.
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  • [20:32:18] <veremit> rcn-ee: but its got this horrible boot process
  • [20:32:42] <spartacus> zmatt: you awake?
  • [20:33:03] <veremit> .. he was ..
  • [20:33:03] <[Butch]> veremit: I don’t know what I could be doing wrong. I connect to c9 and just run one of the existing programs that has worked in the past. It blows up because apparently the bonescript library isn’t loading. At least that’s my guess, since calling b.pinMode fails with the dreaded “method not found.”
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  • [20:35:55] <veremit> [Butch]: I'm unfamiliar with c9 .. but you run everything through the webIDE, yes?
  • [20:36:40] <veremit> or you -can- run through the webIDE .. and possibly else-how too ..
  • [20:37:09] <[Butch]> veremit: Yes, I can run it through the BBB web interface.
  • [20:37:52] <veremit> [Butch]: this applies to your test script too? or just the examples?
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  • [20:38:10] <[Butch]> Yes, the test script, too.
  • [20:39:30] <veremit> so .. you can't run -outside- the webIDE?
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  • [20:41:01] * veremit thinks .. surely cloud9 IS the webIDE ..
  • [20:41:16] <veremit> or I'm confusing with node.js .. which is likely.
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  • [20:49:17] <[Butch]> veremit: 1) go to web page of BBB (i.e. 192.168.7.2) and run one of the bonescript examples that are there. That works, including the super simple code I showed above. 2) go to 192.168.7.2:3000 (C9) and try to run one of the existing code examples or create a new file with the super simple code above. This fails with the above error.
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  • [20:50:54] <zmatt> spartacus: yeah
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  • [20:53:31] <veremit> [Butch]: ah .. that would suggest that c9 is broken somehow .. it's as though its not 'locating' the bonescript library or somesuch
  • [20:53:48] <[Butch]> Agreed
  • [20:54:05] <[Butch]> But that’s just not supposed to happen. :-) It’s supposed to be completely self contained.
  • [20:54:18] <[Butch]> Anyway, it doesn’t matter. Sounds like we don’t have any ideas how to fix it.
  • [20:54:59] <veremit> [Butch]: just gotta locate the source of the problem ...
  • [20:55:29] <[Butch]> Yeah, I know. I just don’t have a lot of time to fix it righ tnow.
  • [20:55:34] <[Butch]> right now
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  • [20:56:15] <veremit> hmm and my beagle doesn't have 'stock' on it currently .. now where IS that board ..
  • [20:57:39] <zmatt> [Butch]: thing is, if it doesn't locate/load the library I would expect the "require" to fail already
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  • [21:00:43] <veremit> zmatt .. that's what's quite weird ..
  • [21:01:00] <veremit> found me bbb .. now all I need is a stock uSD image ..
  • [21:01:14] <zmatt> on the other hand
  • [21:01:18] <zmatt> javascript sucks.
  • [21:01:59] <veremit> zmatt .. nearly as much as perl... *cough*
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  • [21:02:09] <veremit> although both have their uses
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  • [21:03:32] <zmatt> they're horrid in very different ways though
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  • [21:08:53] <veremit> broadly agreed
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  • [21:15:37] <zmatt> bbl, need to catch train
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  • [21:25:53] <spartacus> zmatt: pm me please.
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  • [21:58:24] <citylight2> rcn-ee: hi there
  • [21:59:03] <citylight2> I am following your stable-kernel commits, but maybe you can tell me what is new compare to 4.0.2?
  • [21:59:40] <rcn-ee> citylight2, well, all the 4.1.x+ have capemgr...
  • [22:00:08] <citylight2> so one can easly change the gpio from the command line - right?
  • [22:00:13] <citylight2> anything else?
  • [22:01:43] <rcn-ee> like the cool ground breaking stuff? Mostly borring stuff..
  • [22:02:00] <citylight2> go on, borring stuff please
  • [22:02:23] <citylight2> udev?
  • [22:02:28] <citylight2> connman?
  • [22:02:33] <tbr> I hear "git log" provides boring stuff
  • [22:03:04] <rcn-ee> well udev/connman are userspace..
  • [22:03:16] <rcn-ee> opencl is cool, but that's on the x15..
  • [22:03:29] <citylight2> hmm let me see
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  • [22:05:43] <zq> is there a realistic expected release date for the x15?
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  • [22:05:52] <veremit> zq: lolol
  • [22:06:08] <zq> veremit: ?
  • [22:06:19] <veremit> lol = laugh-out-loud :]
  • [22:06:49] <veremit> maybe if we poke jkridner he may be able to shed a little light on that .. but last I heard there were EMI issues
  • [22:07:25] <veremit> I fear the addition of "random" capacitors on the video signals [zmatt]
  • [22:08:27] <rcn-ee> zq, it failed fcc, going thru another board spin...
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  • [22:10:17] <veremit> rcn-ee .. that kinda thing bites :/ did u see my packaging comment?! :p
  • [22:11:36] <zq> what obstacles are there to drawing up a simple breakout board the x15's processor?
  • [22:11:59] <zq> the am572*
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  • [22:12:17] <veremit> arm processor + breakout != "simple"
  • [22:12:42] <zq> explain, please
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  • [22:13:57] <rcn-ee> zq, lets see high speed ddr, pci-e/sata/usb3.0 timing...
  • [22:14:27] <veremit> http://www.ti.com/tool/TMDXEVM5728 would be your second-best bet. In stock and a snip at $600
  • [22:14:56] <rcn-ee> veremit, that's actually an "x15" + lcd... since it's a development kit, fcc doesn't matter. ;)
  • [22:15:09] * veremit imagines LoTR quote you don't simply 'breakout' an arm processor...
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  • [22:15:32] <veremit> rcn-ee .. so the beagleboards are an actual module
  • [22:15:48] <veremit> I thought they were all dev-kits of one form ..
  • [22:16:21] <rcn-ee> most boards from beagleboard.org get installed into every random "kit" /etc...so the ".org" requires fcc. ;)
  • [22:16:21] * veremit looks for FCC approval for the BBB
  • [22:16:27] <rcn-ee> it's on their..
  • [22:16:32] <rcn-ee> and the beaglebone white
  • [22:16:34] <rcn-ee> and the xm
  • [22:16:34] <veremit> ahaaaa. Ok, that figures.
  • [22:16:36] <rcn-ee> and the original..
  • [22:16:57] <veremit> yup I see the logo on the pcb :)
  • [22:17:16] <rcn-ee> lets just say, we were ready on nov 15th... till that friday before when it bompbed in fcc...
  • [22:17:42] <veremit> rcn-ee .. its never 'ready' until its undergone testing. Alas. Been there ...
  • [22:18:11] <ecdhe> I need to populate P2 on 50 BBBs.
  • [22:18:29] <veremit> ecdhe .. better get started then .. ;)
  • [22:18:31] <ecdhe> So I could order the flyswatter BBB JTAG kit, but that gets me only one P2 connector.
  • [22:18:50] <ecdhe> Does anyone have a digikey pn I can order?
  • [22:19:15] <ecdhe> The CircuitCo BOM lists P2 as DNI so it doesn't give a manufacturer or PN.
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  • [22:19:40] <veremit> looks like smd header .. 1.27mm pitch?
  • [22:19:45] <ecdhe> The BOM lists P2 as " HDR_10X2_CJTAG_0_HEADER10X2_SMD"
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  • [22:20:26] <veremit> ecdhe .. I'd imagine it sits on some 'fingers' in the test jigs
  • [22:20:46] <ecdhe> We may end up with one of those too, but not for 50 units.
  • [22:21:12] <veremit> you need jtag on all 50?
  • [22:21:25] <ecdhe> They came from the factory without bootloaders, so yes.
  • [22:21:30] <veremit> that sounds a bit .. (for want of a better word...) .. desperate
  • [22:21:44] <veremit> as a beaglebone?
  • [22:21:52] <ecdhe> =)
  • [22:21:59] <veremit> ah, probably a .. commercial edition?
  • [22:22:11] <ecdhe> Custom form factor.
  • [22:22:16] <veremit> what else is missing?! :P
  • [22:22:35] <ecdhe> It's for R&D, so we left everything on.
  • [22:22:36] <veremit> you could serial or net boot ..
  • [22:22:51] <ecdhe> I can't net boot if there isn't a bootloader, can I?
  • [22:23:09] <veremit> erm .. I need zmatt with the TRM boot pins .. :p
  • [22:23:25] <veremit> don't think the ROm will .. on its own .. it'll do usb iirc
  • [22:23:46] <veremit> ecdhe .. just trying to think around the problem
  • [22:24:17] <ecdhe> The JTAG connectors would help a lot. I just need a part number.
  • [22:24:30] <ecdhe> *someone* has ordered one before!
  • [22:24:31] <veremit> yeah .. you might have some luck with bbblfs over usb otg
  • [22:24:47] <ecdhe> http://www.tincantools.com/wiki/Flyswatter2_BeagleBone_Black_How_To
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  • [22:24:52] <veremit> yeah I hear ya .. its just a messy giant hairy connector
  • [22:24:58] <veremit> and for 50 boards .. ew.
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  • [22:25:39] <veremit> uSD boot -should- work .. surely ..the spl can be put on there ..
  • [22:25:58] <ecdhe> uSD with a flasher image did not work.
  • [22:26:13] <ecdhe> But I wouldn't expect it to if there is no boot rom.
  • [22:26:18] <veremit> any error ? does a standalone work?
  • [22:26:36] <veremit> no boot ROM? that's burnt into the chip at manufacture ... >,<
  • [22:26:48] <veremit> bin it if that's missing
  • [22:26:58] <veremit> its not an external part
  • [22:27:11] <veremit> or a file on disk
  • [22:27:43] <veremit> you can, btw, access the boot mode pins on the p8/p9 headers
  • [22:28:47] <veremit> fyi.. http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_Hardware_Design_Guide#Selecting_the_Boot_Mode
  • [22:29:39] <veremit> by all means, you can solder a connector on one .. wouldn't advise it for 50 though, personally :)
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  • [22:39:50] <ecdhe> veremit, are you circuitco?
  • [22:40:13] <veremit> nope .. I think we lost all our reps from there
  • [22:40:21] <veremit> .. who came here.
  • [22:40:46] <ecdhe> Overall, this has been a somewhat rude room to me.
  • [22:41:42] <GenTooMan> greetings gents
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  • [22:43:41] <zmatt> veremit: yes ROM supports netboot on its own
  • [22:43:46] <ecdhe> BBB is a multi-domain beast. Understanding it well enough to know precisely why your code can't blink an LED means understanding signals, PCBs, electronics, ARM architecture, registers, linux kernel, linux userland, linux security, a programming language or two, etc.
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  • [22:44:21] <veremit> zmatt .. thanks, thought so.
  • [22:44:26] <ecdhe> zmatt, what's the simplest way to hello-world the boot rom?
  • [22:45:10] <zmatt> it just so happens uploaded this yesterday -> https://github.com/mvduin/bbb-asm-demo
  • [22:46:04] <zmatt> it's a really really tiny baremetal app that toggles the leds in response to pressing the S2 button
  • [22:47:40] <zmatt> the makefile produces three output files (ELF, bin, and MLO). if you want to netboot, you need to serve the demo.bin via bootp+tftp, see example dnsmasq.conf
  • [22:47:57] <zmatt> and you need to pull the sysboot lines right during power-on to make ROM attempt netboot
  • [22:48:21] <ecdhe> Okay!
  • [22:48:29] <ecdhe> veremit, Samtec FTR-110-03-G-D-06
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  • [22:49:18] <veremit> ecdhe .. there ya go. I wasn't intending to put you heavily off your intended path, just to verify you'd exhausted all potential other avenues :)
  • [22:49:42] <ecdhe> Thanks zmatt, will try it out
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  • [22:50:18] <veremit> The aim of the channel is to help .. but occasionally becomes a bit abrupt at times, depending on the nature of some of the queries that appear!
  • [22:50:24] <zmatt> my preferred way is using a jumper to pull sysboot0 (P8.45) up to 3.3V and pressing the S2 button to pull sysboot 2 down to ground (or use another jumper)
  • [22:50:41] <zmatt> I do use a jumper with a resistor in it just to be safe
  • [22:51:45] <zmatt> alternatively, make sure the BBB won't boot a linux system that configures the lcd pins as outputs
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  • [22:53:32] <zmatt> just to avoid accidents involving an pin being configured as output while there's a jumper wire connecting it to ground or vdd ;)
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  • [22:54:29] <ecdhe> Always good to remember zmatt!
  • [22:54:50] <zmatt> the S2 button uses a 100 Ω resistor
  • [22:55:32] <zmatt> but a much larger value works fine too... the pull resistors for the default boot mode are 100 KΩ so they're really easy to override
  • [22:58:05] <GenTooMan> as tempting as it might be to allow the boot control pins to be "programable" I can see why they wouldn't do that. Might be "tricky" for people inexperienced with SMT soldering to work with.
  • [22:58:37] <zmatt> GenTooMan: what do you mean?
  • [22:58:54] <zmatt> they are trivially reprogrammable using external pull resistors
  • [22:59:35] <zmatt> or, if you're experienced with SMT soldering, you can move the on-board pull resistors
  • [23:00:06] <ds2> just pay for a bed of nails jig
  • [23:00:57] <GenTooMan> ds2 prefered method :D
  • [23:00:57] <zmatt> you can also jump to a different boot mode by writing to the control module register containing the sysboot bits and jumping to start of public ROM
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  • [23:01:10] <zmatt> (this altered bootmode is lost on reset though)
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  • [23:02:44] <zmatt> also, reexecing public ROM has never worked reliably for me once MMU and caches have been turned on, even if I properly disable and clear them again before jumping back to the public ROM entrypoint
  • [23:03:03] <zmatt> no idea why though
  • [23:03:59] <zmatt> (though I also haven't put in any real effort to figure it out)
  • [23:15:15] <ds2> zmatt: aren't there scratchpad registers in the CM (or ist hat just the OMAPs)
  • [23:16:50] <zmatt> not sure what you're referring to, but pubrom on netra and descendents is considerably simpler than on the omaps
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  • [23:17:18] <ds2> there are registers for storing power management state info
  • [23:17:23] <ds2> prehaps something is looking at it
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  • [23:17:57] <zmatt> no, not really, there is a test for resume from standby but that's not applicable here
  • [23:18:23] <zmatt> also, it does work sorta usually and proceeds to download and boot the new image
  • [23:18:28] <zmatt> but then often crashes
  • [23:19:24] <zmatt> so it just screams "stale cache data" except I most definitely cleared those
  • [23:19:55] <zmatt> but dunno, I didn't really care since simply resetting works fine
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  • [23:22:04] <zmatt> using the reset button is slow due to eth phy reset, but if you perform a software reset then the pulse is short enough the phy doesn't seem to notice
  • [23:22:29] <veremit> lol "doesn't -notice-"
  • [23:22:37] <zmatt> and rom has already downloaded and executed by app again before my finger has let go of the 'r' key
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  • [23:24:45] <zmatt> veremit: the phy needs something like a 20 ms reset pulse
  • [23:25:15] <GenTooMan> Oh fun "race" conditions :D
  • [23:25:21] <zmatt> the cpu asserts it for 0.25 μs or so
  • [23:25:55] <zmatt> assuming the fatso external cap doesn't gobble it up entirely
  • [23:26:24] <zmatt> which reminds me, I should put a scope on the reset pin to see what happens during warm reset
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  • [23:28:38] <GenTooMan> stop tempting me to read the user guide zmatt. :D
  • [23:31:10] <veremit> GenTooMan: lol
  • [23:31:50] <veremit> zmatt.. assuming there's no proper 'reset' chip/system to fully reset all that should be...
  • [23:32:05] <veremit> 250ns is *** all thuogh
  • [23:32:59] <zmatt> veremit: tbh I don't think the cpu can drive the reset line low in that time
  • [23:33:09] <zmatt> due to the huge capacitance they put on it on the bbb
  • [23:33:31] <veremit> I'd love to be a fly-on-the-wall of a zmatt/Gerald meeting .. lol
  • [23:33:44] <zmatt> https://goo.gl/photos/jBCLk28t2VVrxjWn8 green is power-on-reset, brown is reset
  • [23:34:08] <veremit> ""wtf did you do DEFGHIJKLMNOP.... ??""
  • [23:34:39] <zmatt> (this shows full power-up sequence; blue is 1.8V supplies, cyan is 3.3V supplies, yellow is current measurement)
  • [23:35:13] <GenTooMan> so it's 50ns per division?
  • [23:35:21] <veremit> brown?
  • [23:35:34] <zmatt> whatever color you want to call it
  • [23:35:47] <zmatt> GenTooMan: ehh, hell no
  • [23:35:50] <veremit> wth is the red trace?
  • [23:35:59] <zmatt> veremit: that would be the one
  • [23:36:06] <zmatt> reset
  • [23:36:20] <veremit> nice RC time constant there lol
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  • [23:36:41] <zmatt> GenTooMan: where'd you get that number? it's eh... lemme see...
  • [23:36:58] <veremit> what does it look like when you manually assert it though .. otherwise thats a boring standard capacitor charging curve ...
  • [23:38:17] <GenTooMan> T = 1/(2*pi * R * C)
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  • [23:38:30] <GenTooMan> or is that F? (brain fried)
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  • [23:40:06] <veremit> think its T
  • [23:40:33] <zmatt> 5 ms per major division
  • [23:41:35] <GenTooMan> That is a big damn cap... I wonder what TI recommends ...
  • [23:41:43] <spiderkeys> I'm trying to change the mode of the USB OTG to host mode so as to have two USB hosts on my BBB. I've already made the electrical changes on my board, but I've read that I need to change a setting in the device tree to switch the mode of USB0 to host (http://pastebin.com/SeSDdC4A). I'm using RCN's 4.1.8 kernel and was wondering if it is possible to make this change with the capemgr, since it seems to allow you to dynamically compi
  • [23:42:24] <zmatt> spiderkeys: I don't think you can get away with using an overlay for that
  • [23:42:27] <spiderkeys> device tree, but I'm not really sure how to go about doing that in the latest version. Does anyone have a good reference for writing that fragment and using the capemgr to patch it through the kernel
  • [23:42:56] <zmatt> spiderkeys: you can't make arbitrary changes to existing nodes and expect the kernel to pick up on that
  • [23:43:00] <spiderkeys> Ah, ok. So I'll probably have to modify the am3xx.dtsi and reload the whole thing?
  • [23:43:18] <zmatt> heh, you make it sound like it's a big effort
  • [23:43:28] <spiderkeys> I've just never done it before
  • [23:43:32] <zmatt> I understand
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  • [23:45:17] <zmatt> GenTooMan: I'm not even sure an external cap is normally required at all... perhaps just to avoid picking up noise
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  • [23:46:37] <zmatt> ah sorry, the phy needs "only" a 100 μs reset
  • [23:46:54] <zmatt> but it does require the power supplies to be stable for 25 ms
  • [23:47:19] <zmatt> stable-ish.... ("at 80%")
  • [23:47:37] <zmatt> and that is actually a close call
  • [23:48:42] <zmatt> and with the reset line having an curve like this, the actual timing of the reset release of the phy and cpu probably varies significantly
  • [23:49:03] <zmatt> (depending on die variation and temperature)
  • [23:49:49] <spiderkeys> Although looking at the version of am33xx.dtsi for my kernel version, I don't even see anything about the "port0-mode" setting described in the diff https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/blob/4.1.8-ti-r18/arch/arm/boot/dts/am33xx.dtsi
  • [23:50:08] <spiderkeys> zmatt: do you know if that setting name changed?
  • [23:50:10] <zmatt> spiderkeys: it's probably in one of the bbb files
  • [23:50:21] <zmatt> since the usage of the ports is board-dependent
  • [23:51:14] <zmatt> am335x-bone-common.dtsi
  • [23:51:42] <zmatt> and it's not called port0-mode indeed
  • [23:51:47] <zmatt> but search for usb
  • [23:51:59] <spiderkeys> Ah yea, peripheral vs host
  • [23:53:23] <zmatt> GenTooMan: the phy reset should never have been tied to cpu reset to begin with
  • [23:56:15] <veremit> zmatt, GenTooMan: indeed .. should have a reset circuit of some form.
  • [23:56:35] <zmatt> just tie it to gpio and have the cpu perform the reset
  • [23:56:40] <zmatt> when necessary
  • [23:56:58] <zmatt> (i.e. if the reset bits indicate a cold reset)
  • [23:58:09] <zmatt> if you use a separate reset circuit, you'd still need to have the cpu monitor it to avoid driving the mii interface pins before the phy is out of reset
  • [23:58:21] <zmatt> otherwise its strapping options would get messed up
  • [23:58:27] <veremit> ah bloody hell lol
  • [23:59:16] <zmatt> considering the curve on the reset line, that's probably what's causing the mysterious ethernet mis-strapping for some people
  • [23:59:18] <veremit> zmatt you won't end up with a unknown on that gpio as it undergoes reset?
  • [23:59:55] <veremit> there's always some damn compromise lol
  • [23:59:57] <zmatt> the reset state of all gpios is documented (high-Z, usually with weak internal pull-up or pull-down)