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  • [00:00:28] * Set by KotH!~attila@erica.kinali.ch on Wed Jul 15 13:55:07 UTC 2015
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  • [00:01:05] <ds2> zmatt: that assumes you have a working ethernet
  • [00:01:13] <ds2> i want to get rid of the ethernet
  • [00:03:09] <zmatt> right, you mentioned that once...
  • [00:03:15] <zmatt> ehm, uart booting then? ;-)
  • [00:03:46] <ds2> quicker to sneakernet uSD
  • [00:04:36] <ds2> now I remember what I forgot to check... JTAG connectors
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  • [00:05:19] <zmatt> hah, I wouldn't be surprised if uart-booting is faster than upload via JTAG
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  • [00:05:38] <zmatt> well okay that's not fair
  • [00:06:21] <ds2> jtag should be more reliable
  • [00:06:26] <zmatt> o.O
  • [00:06:31] <zmatt> jtag has no error checking whatsoever
  • [00:06:35] <zmatt> not even a parity bit
  • [00:06:57] <zmatt> any glitch can make one of those writes land anywhere
  • [00:07:04] <ds2> yes but i don't see as many issues on jtag for memory dumps
  • [00:07:16] <ds2> seems serial is glitchier but it could be the lengths of cable
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  • [00:09:35] <zmatt> I see no reason one or the other would be more or less reliable at the same cable length and bitrate
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  • [00:10:45] <zmatt> except that with jtag if your cable is shitty enough to cause any significant amount of glitches, probably stuff will end up confused enough for the debugger to notice
  • [00:11:33] <zmatt> only thing to worry about when dumping lots of data via the uart is the too-many-posted-writes-bug
  • [00:12:05] <zmatt> most uart code appears to be too inefficient to hit that bug though, alternatively using DMA also avoids it
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  • [00:18:53] <zmatt> no wait, there are actually good reasons for async serial to be tricker than jtag at same bitrate... though that manifests itself mostly in the fact that serial ports normally can't be configured at jtag-like bitrates at all
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  • [00:32:56] <zmatt> (the PRU-UART being an exception with its max 12 MHz)
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  • [00:54:02] <Tesla> Hello, does anyone know what the height is for the beaglebone black?
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  • [00:58:30] <cc0_> Tesla: spec sheet says .187" max
  • [00:59:15] <Tesla> for the height? .187 seems kind of thin
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  • [01:01:49] <cc0_> yeah, oops
  • [01:02:01] <zmatt> I measure about 19 mm
  • [01:02:03] <cc0_> i have no idea what that spec is for... pcb?
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  • [01:03:44] <cc0_> yeah, got about 19mm as well
  • [01:03:57] <Tesla> ok, thanks!
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  • [01:05:11] <veremit> should be in the SRM
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  • [01:40:47] <jason___> Hello, I have a question about the camera cap, as my understanding, the camera cap and emmc booting can not be used as the same time because some of GPMC signals are used on the black board. is my understanding right? thanks a lot!
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  • [01:59:24] <nyo> if the cap use the pins of the emmc...
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  • [02:06:22] <jason___> @nyo, thank you. yes, the cap uses the pin shared with emmc on the connector 8.
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  • [03:19:35] <Clownzer> With the LCD Cape(s) can you set them to sleep/turn off after X time
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  • [05:22:20] <endoped> hi, thurgood
  • [05:25:21] <thurgood> heya
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  • [06:34:30] <Clownzer_> hey all anyone up? have a question about an LCD cape
  • [06:35:51] <av500> then go forth and ask it
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  • [06:40:05] <Clownzer_> I have the LCD7 Cape and noticed that the screen never sleeps or turns off, is there a place to set this in the beagleboard Debian relase?
  • [06:40:23] <ds2> disable vampire mode?
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  • [06:41:31] <myself> vampires sleep, they just do it during the day like bats, I thought
  • [06:41:46] <Clownzer_> lol...
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  • [06:42:31] <ds2> but they take off the cape when they sleep
  • [06:42:51] <Clownzer_> I dont want the whole board to go to sleep (running octoprint) just the LCD cape to turn off
  • [06:44:15] <myself> so, the LCD7 schematic, last page, shows where the backlight supply is derived from
  • [06:45:34] <myself> there's an inverter there driven by the signal calllled EHRPWM1A. Which is a signal on the expansion header.
  • [06:46:23] <Clownzer_> Ok
  • [06:46:26] <myself> Googling "ehrpwm1a lcd7" leads me to this page: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rowboat/IXDuQnMioOk
  • [06:48:14] <myself> so it looks like you can dim the backlight under software control, and dimming it to 0 should result in no pulses and thus the inverter is never enabled, no backlight, bam.
  • [06:49:55] <Clownzer_> ok and if I set that, then I would have to manually set it to something besides 0 to bring it back?
  • [06:49:59] <myself> this is all coming from someone who's never done it and is just practicing a little google-fu, by the way. It's entirely possible that I'm mostly wrong or leading you down a silly path and there might just be an echo something > /proc/sys/dev/what/ever and it'll just go.
  • [06:50:04] <myself> well, yeah
  • [06:50:55] <Clownzer_> ok I guess I should of rephrased my question a little bit more and asked if it was possible to AUTO dim and AUTO awake on mouse movement
  • [06:50:57] <myself> All I've shown is that the hardware exists and there's software that knows about it. Talking to that software is up to you now. :)
  • [06:51:09] <Clownzer_> gotcha ^5
  • [06:51:24] <myself> heh. mouse movement is a bit above the solder-splashing where I play, good luck!
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  • [07:42:42] <MastaX> hy there! can anybody tell me how to access the registers of the uart tty02 directly or any alternativ to tcdrain() ?
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  • [08:05:21] <av500> MastaX: explain
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  • [08:14:44] <superguest> morning
  • [08:14:52] <superguest> a bit confused about beagleboneblack ;x
  • [08:15:04] <superguest> it includes 2 standard can interface pins or something?
  • [08:15:16] <superguest> dont want to pay another 60 something for can cape
  • [08:15:50] <KotH> check the TRM how many can interfaces the SoC has
  • [08:16:04] <KotH> but: those are just UARTs, you still need some electrical interface
  • [08:16:11] <KotH> (and that's what the cape does)
  • [08:17:55] <superguest> oh
  • [08:18:03] <superguest> it doenst have the CAN transceiver?
  • [08:18:14] <superguest> only the mcu can controller build in
  • [08:19:07] <LetoThe2nd> no can transceivers on the BBB itself, as the SRM will easily tell you.
  • [08:19:19] <LetoThe2nd> it even has schematics, oh my!
  • [08:19:46] <superguest> but it has 108 pages ;L
  • [08:20:09] * LetoThe2nd slaps superguest with th 5000+ pages omap trm
  • [08:20:16] <superguest> ;p
  • [08:20:48] <superguest> i still might buy it since i need some experience with embedded
  • [08:20:53] * KotH would have expected a sandworm eating superguest
  • [08:21:10] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: i've just had weisswürscht, don't want to ruin the taste.
  • [08:21:24] <superguest> how do u compare bbb with rbp
  • [08:21:46] <LetoThe2nd> strcmp("bbb", "u") != 0.
  • [08:21:54] <LetoThe2nd> strcmp("bbb", "rbp") != 0.
  • [08:21:58] <LetoThe2nd> strcmp("u", "rbp") != 0.
  • [08:22:06] <LetoThe2nd> see, they're mutually exclusive.
  • [08:22:27] <superguest> o.o
  • [08:23:42] <av500> wat is rbp?
  • [08:23:58] <LetoThe2nd> av500: mbp with a typo.
  • [08:24:24] <KotH> av500: mdp with two typos
  • [08:24:35] <av500> wtf with 3 typos?
  • [08:24:48] <LetoThe2nd> av500: ++
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  • [08:26:27] <superguest> raspberrypi
  • [08:27:26] <superguest> cant pay 60 something for a serial connector and a can transiever chip which is the size of an smd resistor
  • [08:27:29] <superguest> =/
  • [08:27:44] <KotH> build one yourself
  • [08:27:57] <superguest> perhaps i will
  • [08:27:59] <superguest> D:
  • [08:28:06] <KotH> costs only about three bucks for parts and a box of band aids
  • [08:28:14] <superguest> if they have the transiecer in dip
  • [08:28:20] <superguest> i have a breadboard ;D
  • [08:28:50] <superguest> dont think anyhhardware store has it lying around tho
  • [08:28:56] <superguest> and they are so scarce also
  • [08:29:13] <superguest> maybe if i am lucky i can get one today ;x
  • [08:32:15] <LetoThe2nd> size and price don't relate. have you ever bought an engagement ring?
  • [08:32:28] <superguest> ;d
  • [08:32:39] <superguest> no ;x
  • [08:32:43] <superguest> never had a gf either ;'(
  • [08:33:08] <LetoThe2nd> probably because you were busy not reading a whopping 170 pages of SRM, right?
  • [08:33:22] <superguest> i choose not to
  • [08:34:09] <superguest> if i manage to graduate and get job then ill get a whife and engagement ring for her ;3
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  • [08:34:51] <superguest> i have jumper wires and a breadbord
  • [08:35:18] <superguest> no hardware store here in holland would have a dip can transiever lieing around tho ;x
  • [08:35:18] <LetoThe2nd> please note that i explicitly did not advocate any specific gender of either you or the person who gets the engagement ring. gf and wife were purely your interpretation.
  • [08:35:40] <LetoThe2nd> plus, the weisswürscht taste is now gone.
  • [08:35:46] <superguest> i m so sorry ;x
  • [08:36:25] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: do you want some brezel? i just bought some from the lokal brezelbäcker
  • [08:36:43] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: yes please.
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  • [08:38:13] * LetoThe2nd munches on KotH+thumper+brezels
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  • [08:49:04] <adibis> if you find someone like you, you can get away with a ring made of R and C - tell that person it resonates with your heart :D
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  • [09:07:16] <jhjh> how to i install yaml packages on angstrom in beagle bone black
  • [09:08:03] <jhjh> how to i install yaml packages on angstrom in beagle bone black
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  • [09:09:51] <hari__> how to i install yaml packages on angstrom in beagle bone black
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  • [10:33:19] <xkonni> hari__: http://www.elinux.org/Installing_A_Software_Package_In_Angstrom
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  • [10:34:22] <xkonni> (yes, that mentions a minnowboard, but 'angstrom' is whats relevant here...)
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  • [11:27:15] <tzafrir> I just got a BBB from Adafruit with Debian preinstalled. Any idea where I can get the linux-headers package?
  • [11:30:07] <tzafrir> 3.8.13-bone47 . Hmm... it seems the kernel is not installed from a package
  • [11:31:03] <tzafrir> No "build" link
  • [11:32:27] <xkonni> tzafrir: apt-get install linux-headers
  • [11:32:36] <xkonni> tzafrir: as with any debian
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  • [11:33:32] <tzafrir> xkonni, in Debian you would try installinc linux-headers-`uname -r`
  • [11:34:20] <tzafrir> There are various packages providing linux-headers, all of them for kernel 3.2 (this is a wheezy system)
  • [11:34:22] <xkonni> thats a specific one, yes... and there's also just linux-headers pointing to the latest one iirc
  • [11:35:03] <tzafrir> That would be linux-headers-$arch or something similar
  • [11:36:01] <tzafrir> The funny thing is that they have bothered putting some minimal files under /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.8.13-bone47
  • [11:37:01] <tzafrir> A dummy debian changelog file and a copyright file that claims that the kernel is owned by Linus :-)
  • [11:37:30] <tzafrir> But no information on where to get their sources
  • [11:37:44] <xkonni> hehe nice... and apt-cache does not show much when searchign for linux-headers?
  • [11:37:52] <tzafrir> Nope.
  • [11:38:17] <xkonni> (as its a fresh install, you did apt-get update, right?)
  • [11:38:26] <tzafrir> And the server they use for their repository doesn't seem to be a standard file server, so I can't poke around for extra sources
  • [11:39:00] <Derecho> https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/tree/3.8.13-bone72 a bit newer, but close
  • [11:39:03] <tzafrir> yes, I have updated.
  • [11:39:05] <Derecho> 71 is also available
  • [11:39:09] <xkonni> ok... mhhm
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  • [12:30:19] <davis> hello
  • [12:31:45] <davis> I have built sato image for beaglebone using yocto. I'm trying to find the image to load on the sdcard for flashing a new image. Do I use the poky/build/tmp/deply/images/core-image-sato-beaglebone.tar.bz2? This seems like just a rootfs and not everything I need.
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  • [12:51:49] <Boned> Hi everyone, I tried to copy my BeagleBone according to these steps: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Extracting_eMMC_contents
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  • [12:52:32] <Boned> Everything works the same on the copies it seems, only no driver is loaded for it in linux/windows
  • [12:52:53] <Boned> So I can't communicate it via USB; I have no FTDI with me; does someone know a fix?
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  • [13:29:07] <nerienna> does someone know how to modify the universal capes?
  • [13:33:55] <av500> as in?
  • [13:34:31] <av500> https://github.com/cdsteinkuehler/beaglebone-universal-io ?
  • [13:34:41] <nerienna> yes
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  • [13:35:37] <nerienna> I took 3 of these and made one of it - it works
  • [13:35:59] <nerienna> but eQEP1 is missing at the pins
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  • [13:36:56] <nerienna> when I put it in myself, the pinmux helper doesen't work for that property
  • [13:38:52] <nerienna> I already edited the config-pin
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  • [13:55:40] <Auke> Hi does anyone know why the drivers for the BeagleBone Black made by element14 aren't loaded? Only the element14 version of the BeagleBone doesn't work for me
  • [13:57:42] <myself> I read that as, drivers (on a PC or Mac to make it show up as a network interface) aren't loaded (when plugging the BBB into USB on the PC)?
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  • [13:58:14] <myself> I don't have an answer, just making sure we're clear on the question!
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  • [14:00:37] <Auke> sorry, English isn't my first language. That is correct, I am using windows 8.1. With my older boards I can just plugin and use putty to connect to it. When I plug a new board made by element14 it doesn't show up and in device manager it says that the driver has not been installed
  • [14:03:32] <stt_michael> Auke, have you tried with a microSD card
  • [14:04:11] <Auke> Well I just flashed it again with a debian version that I use on the other boards
  • [14:04:24] <Auke> Do you mean running it from a microSD card instead of eMMC?
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  • [14:09:51] <Auke> stt_michael managed to fix it by extracting the drivers and pointing to one manually
  • [14:11:16] <stt_michael> Auke, yes, run from a known image .. but sounds like you cracked it :D
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  • [14:29:28] <jsabeaudry> Should I see something in dmesg on my pc when I plug in my beaglebone black via usb?
  • [14:29:51] <jsabeaudry> Somehow the usb interface does not come up
  • [14:31:15] <av500> something, yes
  • [14:37:00] <stt_michael> hopefully lol
  • [14:37:24] <stt_michael> depends on too many things ..do you have usb gadget support in your kernel ?
  • [14:37:57] <stt_michael> why nobody didn't stick one of the cheap ft230x chips on .. no NOT the expensive ft232 ..
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  • [14:42:34] <tbr> stt_michael: because that entails yet another usb socket, signal routing, etc. and raises the BoM cost.
  • [14:42:49] <stt_michael> hrm I guess .. but bumping the emmc justifies it ..
  • [14:43:25] <tbr> also usb2serial adaptors are super cheap, especially if you don't buy ftdi, but pl2303 or cpxx
  • [14:43:54] <tbr> IIRC the eMMC was discontinued
  • [14:44:03] <tbr> the 2 GByte one
  • [14:44:43] <myself> the cypress chips are the most gorgeous thing, generic USB CDC drivers, FT232-compatible footprint
  • [14:45:27] <nerienna> I hate highlights...
  • [14:45:57] <myself> says the person whose nick isn't a common pronoun
  • [14:46:33] <nerienna> bur neri is in generic for example
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  • [14:47:00] <agmlego> Why have a highlight for a partial part of your nick?
  • [14:47:02] <myself> it highlights on partials?!
  • [14:47:19] <myself> that's got to be a setting
  • [14:47:19] <agmlego> Tab-complete works on all clients I have used; let the plebes use it, or fail to get your attention.
  • [14:48:14] <nerienna> because of some people in one channel who like to change nicks od put something at the beginning
  • [14:48:27] <nerienna> or just shorten it
  • [14:48:37] <agmlego> Still sounds like others' problem, not yours.
  • [14:49:02] <jsabeaudry> If I plug my BBone without SD card in my computer I see it show up on lsusb, but if I plug it with the SD card it does not show up?!
  • [14:49:04] <agmlego> Why make more annoyance for yourself, for others' inability to use their clients correctly?
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  • [14:51:16] <nerienna> not that big problem, but right now I am hoping that someone could tel me what I am doing wrong with the overlay...
  • [14:51:57] <agmlego> nerienna: Not giving us enough detail on what the issue is, for use to solve it.
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  • [14:52:42] <nerienna> I took 3 device tree overlays from https://github.com/cdsteinkuehler/beaglebone-universal-io
  • [14:52:56] <nerienna> made one with all the pins I need
  • [14:53:10] <nerienna> still, there was no eqep1 at the pins
  • [14:53:42] <nerienna> so I wrote this property myself
  • [14:54:32] <nerienna> edited the config-pin to get in my cape
  • [14:54:42] <tbr> jsabeaudry: sounds like a really old u-boot
  • [14:54:54] <tbr> jsabeaudry: what's on the eMMC?
  • [14:56:29] <nerienna> but when I do config-pin -l P8_31 for example, qep dosen't appear
  • [14:57:30] <nerienna> I'm just a beginner, didn't compile a kernel till today, but everything else is working
  • [14:58:27] <jsabeaudry> tbr, I never touched the eMMC and the SD card contains the lastest debian image.
  • [15:00:22] <tbr> jsabeaudry: I suspect it would boot fine if you hold down the S2 button before powering up the board with the SD inserted
  • [15:01:09] <jsabeaudry> tbr, people are informing me here that this is actually a beaglebone blue, does that change anything?
  • [15:01:25] <tbr> blue?
  • [15:02:03] * tbr is not aware of such a board
  • [15:02:30] <tbr> did you mean bluesteel, which is NOT an official beaglebone, but very very similar
  • [15:02:44] <jsabeaudry> tbr, yes bluesteel
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  • [15:03:31] <tbr> bluesteel doesn't have an eMMC
  • [15:04:15] <nerienna> My modifies beaglebone black has no hdmi
  • [15:04:54] <jsabeaudry> tbr, does that mean that the u-boot of the lastest image somehow turns off the usb at boot?
  • [15:05:58] <jsabeaudry> tbr, huh, looks like booting with s2 worked, now I'm confused
  • [15:06:07] <tbr> jsabeaudry: it means that if it boots something without SD-card inserted, that either you have a special unicorn or it's not a bluesteel
  • [15:06:20] <tbr> is the PCB black or blue?
  • [15:06:26] <jsabeaudry> blue
  • [15:07:20] <tbr> so it looks like this but with the bottom right footprint populated? http://files.linuxgizmos.com/circuitco_bluesteelbasic.jpg
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  • [15:08:50] <jsabeaudry> tbr, looks exactly like the picture, the bottom right footprint is not populated
  • [15:08:51] <tbr> or is the board plugged into some sort of cape that has an eMMC?
  • [15:09:02] <jsabeaudry> no cape
  • [15:09:21] * tbr is confused
  • [15:09:57] <jsabeaudry> lsusb shows Linux Gadget now
  • [15:10:04] <tbr> S2 forces boot from SD-card
  • [15:10:27] <jsabeaudry> Let me try to repower it without touching anything
  • [15:10:33] <tbr> I'm not sure what the board is configured for that prevents it from booting without pushing S2
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  • [15:11:11] <tbr> the SRM for bluesteel should answer the configuration of the SYSBOOT pins though. If there is a SRM
  • [15:11:18] <jsabeaudry> perhaps I was not patient enough
  • [15:11:47] <samael> where to buy a bluesteel? can't seem to find a distributor in europe
  • [15:11:53] <nerienna> If there is no data on the emmc, it boots from SD-card - I had to change several EMMCs
  • [15:12:03] <tbr> note that issuing a reboot will work fine as the SoC remembers to boot from SD-card. it needs to be completely without power to revert to original SYSBOOT
  • [15:12:05] <nerienna> temperature requirements
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  • [15:12:19] <tbr> samael: probably only sold by circuitco directly
  • [15:12:59] <tbr> nerienna: yes that's what a beaglebone black is configured for. No idea what the bluesteel is configured for in terms of boot order
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  • [15:17:24] <davis> hello
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  • [15:18:41] <nerienna> trying to remember if the AM335x has some internal memory - perhaps they used something like that
  • [15:19:04] <nerienna> it has been a month or two since I read the datasheet
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  • [15:21:03] <tbr> nerienna: it doesn't. there's only ROMBL
  • [15:22:44] <tbr> ROM-BootLoader, some very minimal thing that bootstraps the soc enough on some 32kb internal ram to accept the intermediate loader from first mmc bus, second mmc bus, serial, usb and I thinks some funky ethernet thing
  • [15:26:40] <davis> hello
  • [15:27:00] <davis> i've tried to boot a new yocto build
  • [15:27:00] <davis> i have a serial port connected
  • [15:27:26] <davis> and when I boot via power I see the uboot prompt
  • [15:28:18] <davis> when I stop the boot i see it printed a message saying spl_load_image_fat_os: error reading image. does that mean my sdcard has a bad image or is that a result of stopping the boot
  • [15:29:01] <av500> what happens when you dont stop the boot?
  • [15:29:10] <av500> pastebin.com the whole log
  • [15:29:24] <davis> if I dont stop the boot, it seems to boot from the emc
  • [15:29:46] <av500> and do you see the same line?
  • [15:30:03] <davis> im looking one sec. it keeps scrolling
  • [15:30:50] <rcn-ee> davis, U-Boot SPL 2014.04 ?
  • [15:31:07] <davis> one sec. i'm trying to save a log with this terminal program
  • [15:32:03] <davis> the uboot prompt is U-Boot SPL 2014.04-00014-g47880f5 (Apr 22 2014 - 13:23:54)
  • [15:32:13] <rcn-ee> fixed in mainline...
  • [15:32:17] <davis> and the error is there: spl_load_image_fat_os: error reading image args, err - -1
  • [15:32:19] <rcn-ee> about a year ago..
  • [15:33:04] <davis> so I need to fix the boot loader prior to booting from sdcard?
  • [15:33:53] <rcn-ee> yes/no... you just need a uEnv.txt file with the variable "uenvcmd" telling u-boot what you want to do..
  • [15:34:11] <rcn-ee> otherwise it's just assumes microSD is external storage and boots eMMC..
  • [15:34:38] <davis> hmm. uEnv.txt file?
  • [15:34:56] <davis> do I use that to setenv via the prompt?
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  • [15:35:28] <rcn-ee> no just mount the drive and "echo "uenvcmd=boot" > ./uEnv.txt"
  • [15:36:41] <davis> hmm. so let the beagle boot, use usb to connect to my host as a disk and then rewrite the uEnv.txt file?
  • [15:36:42] <rcn-ee> or just clear out the eMMC... not sure what' yocto expects for u-boot variables..
  • [15:37:14] <rcn-ee> or just stick the microSD card you placed yocto on in your pc...
  • [15:38:54] <rcn-ee> davis, here is a generic "uEnv.txt" that will work with every generation of OS ever installed on the eMMC: https://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-DealingwitholdBootloaderineMMC
  • [15:39:13] <rcn-ee> just adjust the variables for installed location on your yocto setup..
  • [15:39:25] <davis> so i just need to put that on the sdcard which I am trying to boot?
  • [15:39:58] <rcn-ee> Yes... if you look at your terminal log, do you see it looking for "/uEnv.txt" ????
  • [15:41:03] <davis> yes, after the fail the fail message, it says "reading uEnv.txt unable to read uEnv.txt"
  • [15:42:51] <davis> at the bottom of that webpage it says to copy it to /media/rootfs. Really that should be /media/boot where that is partition1 of the sdcard, right?
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  • [15:43:58] <rcn-ee> davis, yocto is still in the stone-age... no reason for the "fat" boot partition... That wiki shows the "latest" setup... so in your case stick uEnv.txt in the fat/boot partition..
  • [15:44:12] <davis> gotcha
  • [15:44:22] <rcn-ee> since you have the old setup, make sure you change 0:1 -> 0:2. ;)
  • [15:44:43] <davis> yeah to be honest, I'm doing this for work. it seems that we should be using buildroot or android. not sure why we picked yocto.
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  • [15:45:59] <davis> ahh, i see the 0:1 in the load image lines. that makes sense. thanks
  • [15:50:00] <davis> hmm. well that did not work. perhaps my image is bad. gawd
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  • [15:50:26] <rcn-ee> davis, pastebin your boot log..
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  • [15:54:59] <jsabeaudry> Which driver is required for the ethernet-usb connection with a beaglebone?
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  • [15:55:13] <jsabeaudry> I mean which kernel config
  • [15:56:08] <rcn-ee> jsabeaudry, g_ether
  • [15:57:19] <jsabeaudry> rcn-ee, CONFIG_G_ETHER?
  • [15:57:40] <rcn-ee> correct, that's what is used on the beaglebone's...
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  • [16:00:37] <jsabeaudry> rcn-ee, Can't seem to find it, could if possibly be CONFIG_USB_U_ETHER ?
  • [16:01:33] <jsabeaudry> Here is what contains "ETHER": CONFIG_ETHERNET=y CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER=y CONFIG_USB_U_ETHER=y
  • [16:02:45] <rcn-ee> jsabeaudry, it's under usb-gadget config, but are you trying to enable your config for host?
  • [16:03:20] <tbr> jsabeaudry: that's for the beaglebone side, for the PC side it's CDC_Ether IIRC
  • [16:03:30] <jsabeaudry> rcn-ee, I'm trying to get my computer to have usb0 interface
  • [16:04:10] <jsabeaudry> while running the default bbone image
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  • [16:04:37] <jsabeaudry> Right now I'm just seeing the files and not the usb ethernet
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  • [16:08:57] <jsabeaudry> I added CDC EEM, I'll give it a spin
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  • [16:37:50] <krnlyng> hi, i have a beaglebone black with arch linux arm installed but when i run an egl application it fails with a mesa error message: "libEGL warning: DRI2: unable to authenticate" so i was wondering, does bbb+egl work on debian?
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  • [16:45:45] <thurgood> depends on which kernel you use...
  • [16:45:45] <rcn-ee> krnlyng, we don't have an xorg driver.. in "theory" using wayland with the sgx drivers would "work"..
  • [16:47:22] <zmatt> using it directly on fbdev definitely works
  • [16:47:55] <zmatt> I got the MagicLantern demo running
  • [16:49:09] <krnlyng> thurgood: what kernel (or debian image) do you suggest for my purpose?
  • [16:49:16] <zmatt> if you don't need windowing but just single-window-fullscreen then that suffices
  • [16:49:30] <krnlyng> i see that would be fine too
  • [16:49:48] <rcn-ee> krnlyng, any using 3.14/4.1.x as the sgx modules are installable thru apt..
  • [16:50:35] <krnlyng> i see, thanks i will try that
  • [16:51:13] <rcn-ee> the userspace blobs are the only thing can't install thru apt, and there's a script to just setup *.tar with ti's blob's..
  • [16:51:18] <krnlyng> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images does this have what i need?
  • [16:51:25] <rcn-ee> correct
  • [16:51:30] <krnlyng> rcn-ee: can you link the script?
  • [16:51:51] <rcn-ee> krnlyng, actually use this one: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Debian_Image_Testing_Snapshots
  • [16:51:52] <krnlyng> or the blobs?
  • [16:52:24] <rcn-ee> the blob extractor is here: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/ti-linux-kernel-dev/blob/ti-linux-4.1.y/sgx_create_package.sh
  • [16:52:39] <zmatt> and make sure /etc/powervr.ini (installed as part of this) selects WindowSystem=libpvrPVR2D_FLIPWSEGL.so rather than WindowSystem=libpvrPVR2D_FRONTWSEGL.so
  • [16:52:45] <zmatt> unless you like tearing
  • [16:53:00] <krnlyng> thanks! you helped me a lot
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  • [16:57:07] <zmatt> (the FLIP one uses vsync-triggered double buffering)
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  • [16:59:15] <ds2> 23~
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  • [17:49:05] <gwilson> Im trying to set up a dts for some GPIO's with power on defaults. I'm using debian jessie with a 3.14 kernel, an rcn build from 3/1/15.
  • [17:49:14] <gwilson> I've got the dts compiling and loading, here is the GPIO fragment, http://pastebin.com/XfPfuZ7L.
  • [17:49:23] <gwilson> The defaults don't take, and control-pin, while installed on the system, doesn't seem to work for the 3.14 kernel.
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  • [17:55:58] <gwilson> I should probably have said that this is for a BBB revC
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  • [18:16:21] <xkonni> gwilson: paste removed. tried running with sudo?
  • [18:17:09] <xkonni> gwilson: or just basic gpio stuff. echo ID > /sys/class/gpio/export (iirc, bbb is at work)
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  • [18:18:20] <xkonni> (or with a udev-rule/etc for user-access)
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  • [18:49:05] <dwery> http://krtkl.com/ thoughts?
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  • [18:52:52] <zmatt> no pricing and almost no info... the image is an obvious 3D render which means no board yet either
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  • [18:55:54] <Humpelst1lzchen> not even the fpga vendor
  • [18:56:51] <zmatt> nor the processor (if separate rather integrated)
  • [18:57:15] <zmatt> if integrated, then the combination of dual-core A9 + specified number of gates and GMACs might identify it
  • [18:57:56] <zmatt> but iirc the FPGA SoCs I've seen were *very* costly
  • [18:58:24] <Humpelst1lzchen> indeed, the ones with a CPU even more
  • [18:59:23] <zmatt> that's what I meant with an FPGA SoC
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  • [19:12:29] <jsabeaudry> If I plug in my ethernet usb adapter, it works. However, when I plug in my bbone, I get the filesystem mount but no sign of the ethernet-over-usb. How can I troubleshoot this past lsusb that shows the linux gadget correctly
  • [19:16:03] <jsabeaudry> The ACM works
  • [19:17:34] <nerienna> I read the silicon errata on the AM335x yesterday
  • [19:17:42] <nerienna> there is one on usb
  • [19:18:56] <nerienna> http://www.ti.com/lit/er/sprz360f/sprz360f.pdf
  • [19:19:35] <zmatt> the usb peripheral on the am335x is ehm... well...
  • [19:19:36] <rcn-ee> jsabeaudry, https://gist.github.com/RobertCNelson/b2fc4c1db49b6a8a304b
  • [19:19:42] <zmatt> it has a lot of personality
  • [19:20:35] <zmatt> jsabeaudry: but I'm not quite following what you're trying to do... why ethernet-over-usb ?
  • [19:21:19] <rcn-ee> zmatt, i'm pretty sure he's running his own minimal kernel config on his host, so nothing works out of the box. ;)
  • [19:21:42] <zmatt> rcn-ee: a filesystem mount showing up is odd too
  • [19:22:02] <nerienna> I know that at several PCs at work ethernet over USB doesn't work on each one
  • [19:22:12] <jsabeaudry> rcn-ee, ah thanks! I'm missing huawei and phonet
  • [19:22:28] <nerienna> especially the Suse-one that I have doesn't work
  • [19:22:31] <rcn-ee> jsabeaudry, i doubt it's those..
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  • [19:24:59] <rcn-ee> jsabeaudry, here's my whole config: https://gist.github.com/RobertCNelson/b2fc4c1db49b6a8a304b#file-full-config (it's just debian.)
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  • [19:29:06] <zmatt> rcn-ee: btw, ever tried the PowerVR stack without fbdev support? in theory it should be less overhead, and possibly more stable given there'd be less code attempting to glue the PowerVR crap onto existing linux code...
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  • [19:29:53] <zmatt> but I'm wondering if I'm going to go down a road of despair if I'm gonna try it
  • [19:30:51] <rcn-ee> zmatt, i've never tried that... i've got mostly a hate relationship with pvr, so i usually don't touch it unless some emails me. ;)
  • [19:31:29] <jsabeaudry> In dmesg I'm getting usb 1-5: bad CDC descriptors
  • [19:31:55] <rcn-ee> swap cables/hub...
  • [19:31:59] <zmatt> yeah it's a wonderful piece of software... compiling the included demos was also not exactly trivial
  • [19:32:20] <rcn-ee> jsabeaudry, the musb ip is very picky on the usb signals...
  • [19:32:29] <zmatt> still you might want to include those in your script, MagicLantern is pretty to stare at
  • [19:33:20] <rcn-ee> last i looked, they dropped those in 02, i didn't want to download both 01/02 just to get them..
  • [19:33:39] <zmatt> I only have 02
  • [19:33:48] <zmatt> there are definitely few demos
  • [19:33:56] <zmatt> only four
  • [19:34:00] <zmatt> only one worthwhile
  • [19:34:31] <rcn-ee> i use to always test them.. just to make sure the driver <cough> worked </cough> wonder if they just moved them around i never looked....
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  • [19:35:30] <zmatt> I had to do
  • [19:35:35] <zmatt> cd ignore/SDK_BIN/Graphics_SDK_setuplinux_5_01_01_02/GFX_Linux_SDK/OGLES2/SDKPackage/Demos/MagicLantern/OGLES2/Build/LinuxGeneric/
  • [19:35:57] <rcn-ee> oh we have to build them.. that's why...
  • [19:36:04] <jsabeaudry> rcn-ee, Do you see anything else that I might be missing in there: http://pastebin.com/MZ2juqN8
  • [19:36:28] <zmatt> make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- PLATFORM=LinuxARMV7 LIBDIR="some dir containing the libs"
  • [19:37:05] <zmatt> executable appears in ../LinuxARMV7
  • [19:37:08] <zmatt> yeah you have to build them
  • [19:37:10] <rcn-ee> jsabeaudry, looks fine, g_multi loaded usb-flash and usb-serial... just no networking. .;)
  • [19:38:00] <zmatt> the executable didn't work due to wrong libpath though, but relinking it on the target fixed that
  • [19:38:39] <jsabeaudry> rcn-ee, Thanks for your help, I'll bail for now.
  • [19:38:48] <zmatt> sorry I meant executable appears in ../LinuxARMV7/ReleaseRaw/
  • [19:39:09] <zmatt> since the weren't enough directory components yet obviously
  • [19:39:19] <zmatt> *there
  • [19:39:28] <rcn-ee> yeah, i'll push it to builder, then we can just have it in the repo..
  • [19:39:51] <rcn-ee> <crap> except it needs the pvr libs... </crap>
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  • [19:40:46] <zmatt> what are the conditions on the pvr libs? I mean, to be of any use they have to redistributable by customers
  • [19:41:33] <zmatt> I never thought about it much yet, but I just realized the fact that apparently you can't package them is a pretty bad sign
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  • [19:43:08] <zmatt> wb
  • [19:43:35] <zmatt> did you still catch my question?
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  • [19:45:59] <zmatt> ... at first sight using gles for a QT full-screen app seemed like a good idea, but I'm starting to get doubts
  • [19:46:39] <rcn-ee> zmatt, yeah due to my employment, i can't really do something ti says not to do.. (shucks! ;) ) as we are a partner... so i keep bugging them to release it for me. ;)
  • [19:47:05] <zmatt> huh, ti explicitly wants the SDK not-packaged?
  • [19:47:37] <rcn-ee> that's where the omap5/x15 looks so nice, it's all out: http://git.ti.com/gitweb/?p=graphics/omap5-sgx-ddk-um-linux.git;a=summary
  • [19:47:51] <rcn-ee> yeah some of the files are non-distrubutialbe.. sgx ligs..
  • [19:48:08] <rcn-ee> the demos had a license, but now that they are source....
  • [19:48:16] <zmatt> if they are non-distributable... what use are they?
  • [19:48:39] <zmatt> I mean, can be ship products with them?
  • [19:48:39] <rcn-ee> customers can 'install' them in their 'system'... the rest of us = screwed..
  • [19:48:45] <zmatt> *we
  • [19:49:51] <zmatt> I guess I'll need to poke someone in the office to examine the relevant legalese... I'm fairly certain noone there is going to enjoy getting that request from me
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  • [19:52:45] <rcn-ee> here's the line: "Object Code License. For the Licensed Materials provided in object code format, TI hereby grants to you a limited, non-exclusive license to reproduce and use the Licensed Materials provided to you in object code format and to distribute an unlimited number of object or executable copies of such object code Licensed Materials."
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  • [19:54:12] <zmatt> I see "grant", "reproduce", "distribute"
  • [19:54:34] <zmatt> the line seems pretty permissive to me
  • [19:54:39] <rcn-ee> yeah, looks like it might have changed...
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  • [19:55:19] <rcn-ee> why hasn't anyone put up a repo with these bin's. ;)
  • [19:57:43] <zmatt> btw, since you're a bit closer to TI than I am... do you have any idea why TI has treated the 81xx series so badly? I mean, tony has recently added some mainline support for it, no help from TI afaik... official TI kernel is still from 2011. And now with the graphics SDK I've noticed ES6.x (for the 81xx series) also being omitted in some places even if they continue to list 5.x
  • [19:58:58] <rcn-ee> it never got a beagleboard varient.. i'm pretty sure that also ended up in the "omap" group, and they got cut after the omap4..
  • [19:59:25] <zmatt> it's also Sitara (am38xx) and automotive (dra6xx)
  • [20:00:12] <zmatt> it's such a pity
  • [20:00:27] <rcn-ee> it just had to be the beagle affect, if it doesn't get a low cost board into 1000's... it just dies...
  • [20:00:55] <rcn-ee> the 81xx was nice, pcie/sata 1.5Ghz single core..
  • [20:01:10] <zmatt> they were also very clean in design
  • [20:01:15] <zmatt> e.g. PRCM was actually consistent
  • [20:01:30] <rcn-ee> and the security was broken, so you could actually use it . ;)
  • [20:01:47] <zmatt> what security?
  • [20:02:00] <zmatt> no actually you could *use* the sec
  • [20:02:15] <rcn-ee> yeap, that..
  • [20:02:16] <zmatt> though still no way to configure MReqDomain for initiators
  • [20:02:47] <zmatt> which sucks since that's the security identifier proxied by EDMA
  • [20:03:27] <zmatt> so configurable MReqDomain is absolutely required if you want memory protection between cores using DMA
  • [20:04:12] <zmatt> I really hope they loosen up on that with the am572x since with sooo many initiators, you really want memory protection
  • [20:04:31] <zmatt> otherwise stray writes from one core fucking up the state of another is going to be a nightmare to debug
  • [20:05:41] <rcn-ee> odly, i've been trying to get cmem setup right.. for above ^ ;)
  • [20:06:18] <zmatt> ?
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  • [20:07:00] <rcn-ee> so we can share mem between the a15's and dsp to run opencl stuff..
  • [20:07:29] <zmatt> I actually got the register locations in the am335x control module for MReqDomain .. but it ignores writes. or more likely, ignores non-secure writes
  • [20:07:38] <zmatt> (or perhaps all writes on GP devices)
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  • [20:09:49] <zmatt> I really should find a moment to see if the potential vuln I discovered in secrom actually works... would be interesting to see what is suddenly possible if executing from secure privileged mode
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  • [20:12:05] <zmatt> (to any TIer who might read that phrase and start hyperventilating: the vuln only applies to GP devices, not to HS)
  • [20:14:23] <zmatt> rcn-ee: I'm not really familiar with cmem yet... but iirc on the x15 almost everything is accessible by almost everyone?
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  • [20:15:58] <rcn-ee> yeap, lots of masters .;)
  • [20:16:32] <rcn-ee> there are some limits, have dove too deep into it..
  • [20:16:35] <zmatt> rcn-ee: and three EDMA instances...
  • [20:17:14] <zmatt> which probably still use MReqDomain as proxied identity, since there's not really any alternative
  • [20:17:43] <zmatt> (you can't proxy the true initiator ID on a FlexNOC network like you can on CBA/TeraNet since that ID is also used as destination for the reply packets)
  • [20:20:24] <zmatt> and yeah, initiator-target connectivity... that really needs an automated test script
  • [20:20:56] <zmatt> the TRM has a matrix, but it probably contains errors and omissions... they usually do
  • [20:25:30] <zmatt> which reminds me that I still want to properly map the topology the am335x... damnit, can someone please somehow manufacture more time? there clearly isn't enough of it :P
  • [20:29:55] <ds2> zmatt: map as in decap and go at it with electron microscope?
  • [20:30:34] <zmatt> ds2: hehe, no
  • [20:31:18] <zmatt> map the l3 topology
  • [20:34:54] <zmatt> ds2: like, I once stumbled over this partial map of the centaurus L3 -> http://gerbil.xs4all.nl/centaurus-L3.png ... though it's clearly been hand-edited, so not sure how reliable it is
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  • [20:37:40] <Abhishek___> rcn-ee: the http://github.com/beagleboard/linux does not contain unpatched mainline trees?
  • [20:38:35] <rcn-ee> Abhishek___, sorry it's all patch'ed tag's..
  • [20:39:34] <Abhishek___> I see, np, just thought if I could save some space by not having to clone Linus' tree
  • [20:39:49] <Abhishek___> and keep the beagleboard.org tree
  • [20:40:17] <rcn-ee> Abhishek___, use git clone --reference ../linux git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git
  • [20:40:56] <rcn-ee> when using --reference just don't delete the reference git repo. ;)
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  • [20:41:30] <Abhishek___> okay, so this reference would be my current beagleboard.org tree or the Linus' tree?
  • [20:41:40] <ds2> linus
  • [20:42:22] <rcn-ee> Abhishek___, (this is bad example as they are both linus) use git clone --reference <dir_beagleboard_linux> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git
  • [20:42:57] <rcn-ee> it'll use any git objects from the reference, thus saving lots of dl & space..
  • [20:43:11] <Abhishek___> yup, that's the idea.
  • [20:43:20] <ds2> wouldn't the reverse make more sense?
  • [20:43:38] <rcn-ee> i'm assuming he has the first already downloaded. ;)
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  • [20:43:50] <rcn-ee> too late, unless he doesn't mind dl another 1gb.
  • [20:44:57] <ds2> 'k
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  • [20:54:46] <zmatt> rcn-ee: he could locally clone, delete refs, and pull the other repo... would avoid the awkward dependency --reference makes
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  • [20:55:18] <zmatt> (it would be nice if there were a variant of --reference that does effectively this.. making hardlinks of shared objects)
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  • [21:01:08] <zmatt> ds2: not sure actually how much you'd be able to tell from a die shot, probably very little... the ones I've seen of e.g. microcontrollers just show a bunch of hard macros and an amorphous blob of logic
  • [21:03:19] <ds2> zmatt: i had a different strategy in mind - you decap a bunch of related but different chips
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  • [21:03:41] <ds2> zmatt: the reasoning there is - different parts are documented in different ways
  • [21:04:13] <zmatt> heh
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  • [21:05:01] <ds2> a very literal meaning of mapping it out
  • [21:05:06] <zmatt> well it would settle the question which of subarctic's "ghost modules" really aren't there and which are merely disabled
  • [21:05:19] <ds2> yep
  • [21:05:40] <zmatt> but other than that I consider the memory map to be complete
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  • [21:06:35] <zmatt> ultimately it is of limited interest whether a module is absent or present if it is unusable
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  • [21:07:27] <zmatt> checking current draw when toggling the module's clock enable would probably answer that more easily than decapping ;)
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  • [21:08:25] <ds2> be intersting to see if you can find a hcf bit
  • [21:09:11] <zmatt> I suppose it would say something about the design process... i.e. if they removed the PCIe module but left in its target agent and PRCM, then that means removing the latter is considerably more difficult (at that design stage) than removing the target module
  • [21:10:11] <zmatt> and I think this is the case, since I really don't believe there's a PCIe module in subarctic
  • [21:10:53] <zmatt> especially since if the PCIe PLL had been left in, it would have been saner to keep using it for Ethernet just like it was on Centaurus
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  • [21:11:30] <ds2> doesn't PCIe require different drivers?
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  • [21:11:48] <ds2> and if so, wouldn't there be hints of it in the hw datasheet for specific pins
  • [21:11:58] <zmatt> yeah I'd expect dedicated pins, and none are unaccounted for
  • [21:12:16] <zmatt> which is another clear sign PCIe isn't there
  • [21:12:51] <zmatt> also, in the ROM code related to PCIe boot, there are actual pinmux values but they are bogus
  • [21:13:10] <zmatt> one is already used by another function, the other indexes the pinmux array out-of-bounds
  • [21:13:12] <ds2> I suppose they could just be unbonded pins
  • [21:13:13] <zmatt> iirc
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  • [21:13:28] <zmatt> then there'd still be pinmux registers
  • [21:13:47] <zmatt> since they clearly made those for every I/O no matter how rediculous
  • [21:13:51] <zmatt> e.g. DDR and even PORz
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  • [21:14:40] <zmatt> but all pinmux registers are accounted for
  • [21:14:52] <ds2> sigh... even digikey is spiralling down the drain....
  • [21:14:56] <ds2> The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error has occurred.
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  • [21:16:25] <zmatt> life is tough...
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