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  • [01:36:07] <veremit> zmatt .. yes, musb in general.
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  • [02:21:19] <zmatt> just checking, since I normally never use usb on the bbb, but does it work reliably as host controller for low-bandwidth stuff (human input devices) ?
  • [02:21:30] <zmatt> (i.e. dma disabled, and not acting as device)
  • [02:21:31] <agmlego|skynet> Most of the time, yeah.
  • [02:21:43] <agmlego|skynet> Still not a bad idea to have a powered hub.
  • [02:22:01] <zmatt> yes there'd be one
  • [02:23:53] <agmlego|skynet> SHould be fine.
  • [02:24:53] <zmatt> besides the brokenness of dma (TI's lovely CPPI 4.1), what other issues are known?
  • [02:24:57] <veremit> provided it works .. its fine
  • [02:25:06] <zmatt> veremit: that's an interesting precondition
  • [02:25:11] <veremit> its just when it doesn't lol
  • [02:25:57] <veremit> mine's got a usb hdd attached .. an interestingly it does seem to work ok for me over a net connection/nfs/ samba share
  • [02:28:21] <veremit> its a massive improvement on the pi implementation .. ahaha. yes, usb hdd and usb networking over the single host port .. yeahno lol.
  • [02:28:32] <zmatt> hehe
  • [02:28:46] <veremit> a very simp[le test to highlight the worst design issue of the pi.
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  • [02:28:52] <veremit> imho.
  • [02:29:53] <veremit> I should try my banana-pi out .. see how it compares .. and whether its usb works properly...
  • [02:30:11] <zmatt> the broadcom chip just isn't designed for it... it's basically a smartphone chip minus the modem/wireless hw
  • [02:30:33] <veremit> zmatt .. mostly my conclusion its an applications processor not a cpu
  • [02:30:50] <veremit> iirc its a settopbox chip
  • [02:31:02] <veremit> ie. it has to do hdmi .. but beyond that ..
  • [02:31:23] <zmatt> ah that's possible too... in any case yeah it has video stuff and that's it
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  • [02:31:55] <zmatt> the same bcm2708 subchip is used in a whole bunch of configurations
  • [02:32:08] <veremit> the single or quad core?
  • [02:32:32] <zmatt> that's the arm processor... that's not part of the bcm2708
  • [02:32:41] <zmatt> the arm subsystem is auxiliary
  • [02:32:44] <zmatt> stuck on the side
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  • [02:33:06] <zmatt> the processor boots from the videocore processor that's part of the bcm2708
  • [02:33:30] <zmatt> bcm2708 + arm1176 = bcm2835
  • [02:33:34] <zmatt> bcm2708 + quad-a7 = bcm2836
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  • [02:34:11] <zmatt> the videocore is actually the main cpu
  • [02:34:37] <veremit> yuk
  • [02:34:45] <zmatt> (ARMless bcm2708-derivatives exist too)
  • [02:35:08] <veremit> thats a .. erm .. unique setup
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  • [02:35:22] <zmatt> the original videocore SoCs didn't have any ARM
  • [02:35:38] <zmatt> later ones added an ARM core for familiarity
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  • [02:38:41] <zmatt> if I'm ever gonna play with a Pi it's probably going to be for the videocore ;)
  • [02:38:44] <zmatt> that or trustzone
  • [02:42:57] <zmatt> and I'm slightly intrigued by some parts of the big blob of source/headers released by broadcom
  • [02:43:04] <zmatt> such as bcm2708_chip/fpga_peripheral.h
  • [02:43:36] <veremit> I suspect there's some hints to its RL applications ..
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  • [02:44:16] <zmatt> in general it's a surprisingly uncensored register dump
  • [02:44:36] <zmatt> even things like the OTP controller, addresses where usually HDCP keys are kept, etc
  • [02:45:36] <veremit> I've broadly dismissed it since its not got any peripherals that are useful to me .. since i got the beagle and wand
  • [02:45:54] <veremit> although I'm a bit stuck with the wand until the uboot/kernel bodges are ironed out
  • [02:46:16] <zmatt> well I'm not sure all capabilities of the bcm2708 are publicly appreciated yet
  • [02:46:29] <veremit> unless it happens that the right uboot bodges are already incorporated in RN's patches, ofc :D
  • [02:46:32] <veremit> I should prod him on that
  • [02:46:49] <veremit> zmatt .. probably
  • [02:47:21] <veremit> thats the problem with heavily closed ip
  • [02:47:31] <veremit> nobody knows :)
  • [02:47:54] <zmatt> right, except for aforementioned heap of source code
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  • [02:49:10] <veremit> hackers might figure it out once its been fully digested ..
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  • [02:49:27] <veremit> I use the term losely :)
  • [02:50:04] <zmatt> (I actually get the impression the fpga thing really means it has a small bit of fpga fabric on board)
  • [02:50:29] <zmatt> or it might not, who knows
  • [02:55:01] <zmatt> but yeah, I like the am335x better ;)
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  • [02:55:25] <zmatt> dispite its share of facepalm-moments
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  • [03:00:10] <veremit> heh the am335x is much more versatile imo
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  • [04:22:27] <bbbnoob> hey guys
  • [04:23:50] <bbbnoob> I am trying to install the xenomai kernel with apt-get install inux-image-3.8.13-xenomai-r72
  • [04:23:59] <bbbnoob> which runs fine and after reboot
  • [04:24:13] <bbbnoob> i still get uname -r
  • [04:24:24] <bbbnoob> Linux beaglebone 3.8.13-bone71 #1 SMP Tue Mar 17 18:07:44 UTC 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [04:24:46] <bbbnoob> ideas?
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  • [04:56:16] <bbbnoob> anyone? I have the standard kernel and xenomai kernal images on my BBB how do i setup to boot xenomai?
  • [04:57:12] <opcode> make sure your bootloader is actually using the new kernel?
  • [05:13:04] <endrift> yeah, take a look at where the xenomai image is on the filesystem, and look at the uEnv.txt to make sure it agrees
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  • [05:27:28] <veremit> is the kernel specified in the uEnv.txt file?
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  • [05:28:06] <veremit> or is it simply copied/written to the appropriate place on disk/etc
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  • [06:45:39] <Nerade> Is there an prebuilt image out there with lcd-cape and hardware opengl support?
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  • [06:53:39] <tbr> AFAIU the debian images have provisions for the binary driver and for some of the capes. some assembly required.
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  • [07:56:49] <brackets_> Hi. In a setup where a shitty router is placed before a linux PC, is there a way to detect packet drops that happened on the router from the PC? Maybe the IP stack gives this info in /proc? Or some userspace tool akin to tcpdump counts the sequence numbers of TCP sessions?
  • [08:00:28] <av500> wireshark?
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  • [08:35:36] <brackets_> av500: and how would I automate that ?
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  • [08:36:26] <brackets_> I could write something that sounts TCP sequence numbers but surely someone did this before?
  • [08:41:31] <Shadyman> ifconfig shows dropped packets on linux, surely ipconfig does on windows too?
  • [08:44:10] <brackets_> i'm on Linux, but I want to check for packets dropped by the router, not the interface
  • [08:44:47] <Shadyman> ah
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  • [10:36:12] <BitBanger> Hey guys, I have a problem, I want to use the P9 headder, pins 26-31 for PRU
  • [10:36:33] <BitBanger> but they are already allocated, not sure to what, can some one please help? Thanks :)
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  • [10:37:47] <BitBanger_> Hey guys, I have a problem, I want to use the P9 headder, pins 26-31 for PRU
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  • [14:10:32] <CTDeveloper> BBB Rev A5A connected via HDMI (taking power from USB connection to Dell XPS 8300), How do I get to a command line prompt? I am new to this.
  • [14:12:45] <tbr> depends on what you are running on the board
  • [14:15:23] <CTDeveloper> Angstrom
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  • [14:16:03] <wmat> CTDeveloper: CTRL-Alt-T
  • [14:16:21] <tbr> it should also expose a console on USB
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  • [14:19:08] <CTDeveloper> I am on IRC via the USB port connected to my Dell XPS 8300 Desktop PC. Should I exit IRC and then do a CTRL - Alt - T ?
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  • [14:19:45] <wmat> oh, console only, no window manager?
  • [14:20:37] <wmat> it sounds like you're already in a terminal
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  • [14:21:22] <CTDeveloper> I also have a HDMI cable attached to my second monitor which shows a menu at the top (Applications, Places, System, and a globe). I am using two different keyboards and mice.
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  • [14:22:51] <wmat> using the kbd that's attached to the beagle, do ctrl-alt-T
  • [14:23:24] <CTDeveloper> My book "Getting started with BeagleBone by Matt Richardson" says to click on a lower left menu and select Accessories -> LXTerminal, but I do not see this choice.
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  • [14:28:20] <CTDeveloper> I did a "CTRL-Alt-T" on the keyboard that is attached to the normal USB connector. Nothing happens (I feel like Curly).
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  • [14:31:59] <wmat> CTDeveloper: I can't remember the Angstrom UI, tbh, it's been a long time since i used it
  • [14:32:27] <wmat> CTDeveloper: but I'd presume that somewhere in the application launchers there's a Terminal launcher
  • [14:33:41] <wmat> CTDeveloper: you could always do CTRL-Alt-F1, login there and install LXTerminal
  • [14:34:10] <CTDeveloper> Under Applications menu, I have System tools and then Terminal. This shows a prompt "sh-4.2#".
  • [14:34:22] <wmat> CTDeveloper: bingo!
  • [14:35:06] <CTDeveloper> I will try playing with that. Thank you for your help wmat.
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  • [14:56:51] <tony__> can someone provide me a good reason for choosing linux rather than windows ce
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  • [15:00:47] <tbr> support
  • [15:02:38] <tbr> vast resources that are available
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  • [17:19:02] <CleitonBueno> Hi
  • [17:21:04] <CleitonBueno> Has anyone calculate the timelife of EMCC? I have information of BlockWriten/s in my system.
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  • [17:21:32] <CleitonBueno> Write and Read captured in 1 day
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  • [17:22:15] <ankitdaf> Hi
  • [17:22:21] <CleitonBueno> Wanted estimate based on the Write / Read, and in the EMMC block information which would be useful her life (hours, days or years)
  • [17:23:10] <ankitdaf> I am trying to integrate some drivers with the BeagleBone Black , and looking for some pointers
  • [17:23:25] <ankitdaf> Kernel version 3.14.37 - ti - r57
  • [17:23:28] <tbr> CleitonBueno: I'd expect the datasheet for the emmc to have such details.
  • [17:23:44] <rcn-ee> CleitonBueno, https://www.micron.com/~/media/documents/products/technical-note/emmc/tnfc32_device_health_report.pdf
  • [17:24:07] <ankitdaf> The device tree system doesn't seem to be well documented, or i don't understand it well enough
  • [17:24:35] <ankitdaf> I have gone through most of the links I found, but can't for the life of me get an SPI based touch device to work
  • [17:24:43] <ankitdaf> Can somebody please help ?
  • [17:25:20] <rcn-ee> ankitdaf, which device? does it have mainline support?
  • [17:26:04] <ankitdaf> I have an xpt2046 based touchscreen, it is ads7846 compatible
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  • [17:26:45] <ankitdaf> i have spidev1.0 and spidev1.1 showing up, and i managed to compile the ads7846_device module and did a modprobe
  • [17:27:08] <ankitdaf> spi connections are to 17,18,21,22 on the BBB
  • [17:27:29] <rcn-ee> ankitdaf, spidev? ads7846 has a proper dt binding: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/input/ads7846.txt
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  • [17:28:06] <CleitonBueno> Nice. Thanks rcn-ee.
  • [17:28:18] <rcn-ee> ankitdaf, you might have to cherry pick dt support fro v4.1.x to v3.14.x.. but it's better then hacking thru spidev..
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  • [17:28:49] <ankitdaf> rcn-ee yes, i figured, spent the last three days on this :|
  • [17:29:37] <ankitdaf> rcn-ee sorry for the noob question, but could you possibly outline what broad steps i'll need to take ?
  • [17:30:05] <ankitdaf> it's hard to find documentation that doesn't include cape manager
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  • [17:30:51] <rcn-ee> honestly, since you have to cherry pick anyways, i'd first ignore 3.14.x and just use 4.1-rc5 (which has capemgr)...
  • [17:31:24] <ankitdaf> rcn-ee so capemgr is not going to be abandoned ?
  • [17:31:45] <rcn-ee> ankitdaf, it never was... just got stuck in re-write hell for mainline...
  • [17:32:09] <CleitonBueno> rcn-ee: There is something I can use in the case of SD-CARD, Compact Flash. Analyzing the provided datasheet and use in Linux System?
  • [17:32:20] <ankitdaf> oh ok.. will update to 4.1-rc5 then
  • [17:32:49] <rcn-ee> ankitdaf, start with upgradeing to linux-image-4.1.0-rc5-bone3 thru apt... then follow: https://github.com/beagleboard/bb.org-overlays
  • [17:33:01] <rcn-ee> sorry there's no spi example yet...
  • [17:33:59] <ankitdaf> rcn-ee ok ! yes, at one point i was so lost, i wanted to go back and check if SPI was even working, but not much reference for that :/
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  • [17:34:49] <rcn-ee> if you had something working in v3.8.x most of the time, the gpio # is just off by one in v3.14.x/4.1.x..
  • [17:35:20] <ankitdaf> hmm yes i read that somewhere
  • [17:35:48] <ankitdaf> relatively new to this platform, just integrated two uarts, wasn't sure where to look
  • [17:36:22] <ankitdaf> that is a lot of help
  • [17:36:37] <ankitdaf> i am going to try this and drop back in in a little while
  • [17:36:47] <ankitdaf> thanks a lot, rcn-ee !
  • [17:37:53] <jkridner> rcn-ee: do you have any ideas how to fix builds.beagleboard.org?
  • [17:38:20] <rcn-ee> ankitdaf, no problem, when you get something work, just ping us and we can add that overlay for users to see as an example..
  • [17:38:32] <rcn-ee> jkridner, is the x15 still timing out with buildbot?
  • [17:38:42] <jkridner> yes, it is still timing out.
  • [17:39:15] <rcn-ee> is there any permissions noise in the journel?
  • [17:41:20] <jkridner> nope, not on either side.
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  • [17:43:38] <jkridner> I'm still not sure why -v in the environment variable doesn't seem to be generating any verbose traffic on the compression.
  • [17:43:46] <jkridner> stderr should be recorded
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  • [18:18:01] <jkridner> http://beagleboard.org/blog/2015-05-27-BeagleBone-Black-and-Android-Combine-in-Super-Cape-Attachment/
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  • [18:57:09] <ebail> I have random issues between 2 BBBs over rs485 with BeagleBone Serial Cap using UART4. Doing cat on /dev/ttyO4, I receive with delay characters while omap_serial receive it instantly according to added traces. Someone saw similar issues ? I see that TI wants to switch from omap-serial to 8250-core. Would it be a solution ? (I am on kernel 3.12.10 - tty parameters : 115200 cs8) Thanks
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