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[00:08:10] <Tom___> how to put a Debian desktop on my BeagleBone Black, screen is black.
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[00:16:06] <thurgoo__> get a flasher that is not console only
[00:16:38] <thurgoo__> or apt-get install your xserver of choice
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[01:05:45] <yeowza> so the bbb has 14 PWM, if we need more is there a way to setup the other GPIO to act as PWMs?
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[01:11:18] <endrift> depending on the frequency you use, I'd imagine you could fake it with the PRUs
[01:11:51] <yeowza> i'll look into it, thanks endrift
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[01:35:57] <zmatt> yeowza: do you need video output? otherwise I suspect you can abuse the lcdc to generate 24 pwm channels
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[01:36:53] <zmatt> hmm, might not be able to reach 100% duty cycle though, I think then are some mandatory gaps
[01:37:12] <ds2> you can get both if you push your luck
[01:37:59] <zmatt> ?
[01:38:34] <ds2> 16 bit LCD
[01:38:49] <ds2> well, not 24 pwm but 16bit LCD + 8 PWM
[01:39:05] <zmatt> hmm, that would impose even more serious constraints though
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[01:39:21] <ds2> on sw or hw?
[01:39:30] <zmatt> on signal timing
[01:39:43] <ds2> there is that, yes
[01:40:04] <ds2> many, not all, LCDs are surprisingly tolerant of their timing so it isn't that bad
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[01:45:27] <zmatt> yeah, but for pwm I'd configure the screen height to 1 line
[01:45:45] <zmatt> or not, crap, vsync is in full lines
[01:46:03] <ds2> and 2048 columns?
[01:46:21] <ds2> what's the need for that many PWM's?
[01:46:31] <zmatt> crap that, I'd make it minimum width probably... not sure yet
[01:46:32] <zmatt> no idea
[01:46:34] <zmatt> ask yeowza :P
[01:46:49] <ds2> min width? how's that PWM?
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[01:48:59] <zmatt> min width and high enough to get enough resolution in duty cycle, frame rate = pwm frequency
[01:49:33] <ds2> oh in that sense thought you meant min width the hw supports
[01:50:16] <zmatt> ohh, I just came up with a sleazy way to solve the vsync problem, I think 1 line may still be workable (if duty cycle configurable in steps of 1/4096 suffices)
[01:50:38] <ds2> you want to limit the range of the PWM?
[01:51:08] <zmatt> with 1 line, half the time would be the vsync period, during which you can't send new data
[01:51:25] <zmatt> but it does hold the last data
[01:53:43] <zmatt> so you can have the vsync period high for values > 50% and low for < 50%, and use the 2048 line pixels to set the duty cycle within those ranges
[01:54:13] <zmatt> it would mean a 180 degree phase change around 50% duty cycle, but that may not be a problem depending on application
[01:54:28] <ds2> depending on fast... a GPIO might be simplest
[01:54:47] <zmatt> gpio would be guaranteed messy
[01:55:07] <ds2> donno about that
[01:56:02] <zmatt> pru gpio would make more sense (if you run out of timer/eCAP/ePWM pins)
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[02:11:47] <zmatt> yeowza: "so the bbb has 14 PWM" -> you're including eCAP 1 in that count? note that it's not available on the cape headers (though you can still get at it if you really want, e.g. it's on the serial header)
[02:12:11] <black13> i just got bblack
[02:12:21] <black13> or A beagle bone black
[02:12:34] <black13> and I can ssh into the box
[02:12:47] <black13> how ever i cant ping out of the box
[02:13:26] <yeowza> zmatt: I wasn't very thorough in counting, thanks for the input, I am building a robot
[02:19:37] <zmatt> it's a shame the lcdc requires >= 1 pixel of hsync per line and >= 1 line of vsync per frame, otherwise it could have made an excellent general-purpose parallel output player, especially for periodic signals
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[02:41:43] <wmat> zmatt: the design is open, you could fix that oversight and order up a board to your specs right
[02:42:51] <zmatt> wmat: ehh, I'm talking about a constraint that the LCDC peripheral of the AM335x imposes
[02:43:11] <zmatt> that's a little hard to fix :P
[02:46:14] <wmat> oh, sorry, if it's a constraint of the cpu, so be it
[02:48:11] <zmatt> yeah, it may still be interesting for applications where that constraint isn't a big problem (e.g. if you'd want 24 serial outputs... no idea why, but who knows) but for pwm it's a bit annoying
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[02:50:28] <wmat> zmatt: do any boards out there meet those requirements?
[02:50:48] <zmatt> ? what does the board have to do with anything?
[02:51:50] <wmat> ok, what does meet those requirements then?
[02:52:04] <zmatt> eh, every *intended* application of the lcdc? namely video
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[02:54:12] <wmat> i'm a console only guy, so i don't get it.
[02:58:06] <zmatt> the point is that you can fully control the data during the "active video" part, but there are also mandatory hsync and vsync periods to structure the datastream into lines and frames, and the lcdc doesn't let you affect the data output during this periods (it holds the values of the most recent pixel)
[02:58:29] <zmatt> if you want to (ab)use the lcdc to output a continuous stream of parallel data, that's a problem
[03:00:41] <wmat> and that's hardware bound?
[03:03:25] <zmatt> that's a restriction imposed by the lcd controller peripheral yes; one that's perfectly reasonable for its intended purpose, and it probably didn't occur to the designers that some nutcases might want to put it to creative alternative purposes
[03:04:18] <zmatt> but it's a pity since *not* imposing the restriction would probably not have made the hardware significantly more complicated, but would have made it much more versatile
[03:05:19] <zmatt> but well, c'est la vie, the peripheral is the way it is
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[03:06:18] <wmat> how would that restriction not have been imposed?
[03:07:49] <zmatt> allow setting hsync and vsync periods to zero, or more likely allow data transmission to continue during sync periods (the latter is not uncommon for video signals)
[03:08:34] <wmat> have you sent this to the mailing list? The hardware designers are on it.
[03:10:09] <zmatt> eh, what mailing list are you referring to? I could post it on E2E, but in the unlikely event it would reach a chip designer I very much doubt they'd care
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[03:12:15] <zmatt> (and if I'd start commenting on peripheral design, I would have better things to start with than the LCDC :P )
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[03:14:28] <wmat> zmatt: you're probably right :/
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[03:20:54] <zmatt> although maybe I should send the beagle designers the suggestion to pull the JTAG TRSTn up rather than down to allow jbang to work without soldering (https://github.com/dutchanddutch/jbang)
[03:21:03] <luciano> hi , how do I connect to the beaglebone by usb through ssh ? i need configure /etc/network/interfaces ?
[03:21:29] <zmatt> I know there's already one person who managed to track down a memory corruption issue using a watchpoint thanks to jbang
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[03:23:27] <zmatt> luciano: with the default config it should just work: your computer will get an ip on the usb network interface, and you can reach the beaglebone on... ehh... I think 192.168.7.2 ?
[03:23:43] * zmatt never uses usb so isn't 100% sure about the ip
[03:25:59] <luciano> zmatt, I install archlinux arm
[03:26:20] <zmatt> wmat: the guy had a creative workaround for the fact that linux doesn't support watchpoints on cortex-a8... he configured it anyway behind the kernel's back, so when it triggered the kernel was like "dafuq is this?!" and dumped a stack trace to the console... which was exactly what he needed :)
[03:27:07] <zmatt> luciano: oh, then I have no idea, sorry
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[03:32:08] <wmat> smurray: heh, sometimes corners are easily cut :/
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[03:34:57] <zmatt> watchpoints are pretty awesome to have, and it sucks hard that you can't use them on TI SoCs without an ugly hack like jbang to flip an enable-bit in a register only accessible via JTAG
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[03:45:28] <luciano> anyone have this cape http://www.chipsee.com/product/evm/beagle/beaglebone-black-expansion-capacitive.html ?
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[03:57:45] <wmat> smurray: not sure why I sent that pm to you ;?
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[11:26:19] <amit_> Hi guys wanted to discuss the problem I am facing , I bought a BBB board . since few days I was using this board with USB power. today I tried to turn it on using DC supply of 2V 2 A. and shockingly its not getting on
[11:27:14] <amit_> can you share your experiences, as starting point for me to start with debugging.
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[11:31:42] <tbr> amit_: yes, 2V won't work, needs 5V
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[11:32:11] <amit_> sorry Printing mistake 5V2A
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[11:32:40] <tbr> take a multimeter, measure the voltage
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[11:33:02] <tbr> board still boots if you power it over usb?
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[12:41:36] <amit_> sorry for delayed response, net was not working.
[12:41:54] <amit_> When I connect the USB to board It works perfectly.
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[13:05:52] <amit_> Hello guys any clue
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[13:37:45] <nikos__> hello! Is anybody online?
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[13:42:35] <nikos__> wtf
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[16:00:38] <Fingertips333> hellp
[16:00:41] <Fingertips333> hello
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[16:01:38] <Fingertips333> can anyone help me to remove the bits that make that SD card bootable
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[16:03:46] <karim> karim
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[16:04:31] <veremit> Fingertips333 .. just do a 'dd' command from linux on the first section of the uSD card
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[16:05:20] <veremit> RCN's page on eewiki.net (for BBB) gives you the command under "preparing the SD card"
[16:05:36] <Guest92744> hello i can't connect to beaglebone black in eclipse there is a password required that i don't know
[16:05:36] <Fingertips333> hello vermit, I have tried that.... Problem is that if I have the SD card inserted then it will try to boot from it, without me pressing the button, and I want to boot only from EMMC
[16:05:56] <Fingertips333> This is what I tried : sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1024 count=1024
[16:06:06] <Fingertips333> where mmcblk1 is the SD
[16:06:24] <Fingertips333> the SD is 8g ext 4 partition
[16:06:45] <veremit> Fingertips333 .. how can you be sure its still booting from the uSD card?!
[16:07:06] <veremit> Fingertips333 .. if there's no kernel or uboot there .. it cannot.
[16:07:20] <Fingertips333> sorry, I think is still trying that, because if I remove the SD card then it will boot normally
[16:07:43] <Fingertips333> with the SD card in , then it simply does not boot
[16:07:50] <veremit> Fingertips333 .. alternatively you need to change the eMMC bootloaders to never try the uSD
[16:08:05] <veremit> could be your problem :)
[16:08:22] <veremit> Guest14250 .. default user/password for the beaglebone black is now "debian" and "temppwd"
[16:08:37] <Fingertips333> I have searched on internet how to set only emmc boot but I found nothingl, sorry I am a newbie at this, as I have the beagle since only a few days.
[16:08:41] <veremit> sorry.. make that Guest92744
[16:09:22] <veremit> Fingertips333 .. suggest you wait 'til RCN himself comes in Monday-ish .. he knows most about the bootloading process afaik.
[16:10:10] <Fingertips333> Thanks for the help, I will keep trying and if I cannot make it, I will come back to you guys. Thanks again.
[16:10:54] <veremit> Fingertips333 .. my assumption would be that if the uSD has no boot-associated files .. it would fall-back to the eMMC, but that doesn't seem to be the case
[16:11:14] <veremit> Fingertips333 .. which version is your beagle? have you updated it ever?
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[16:13:21] <Fingertips333> I have beaglebone black rev c with BeagleBoard.org Debian Image 2015-03-01
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[16:13:55] <Guest92744> there is a box that appear when i try to connect to beaglebone called password required and it is written in it "my name@192.168.7,2 and user name which is my name and i have to write password ,i have written what u have told me but nothing happen
[16:14:05] <Fingertips333> I have update it today from sd card with sudo xz -cd bone-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb.img.xz
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[16:15:15] <Fingertips333> everything is fine with it, if the sd card is removed, but I want the sd card as extra storage and backup
[16:15:58] <veremit> Fingertips333 .. yup I understand .. can't figure why it doesn't ignore the uSD .. but I know there's been some trickery :)
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[16:16:41] <veremit> Guest92744 .. I don't believe the username is "myname" .. although I've never used eclipse .. can you ssh or use Putty to ssh to it instead?
[16:17:46] <Guest92744> no i mean that it is "karim" myfirst name
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[16:18:50] <veremit> Guest92744 .. unless you've created a user on the beagle with Your name .. it won't Be there .. and you cannot log in with it.
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[16:21:23] <veremit> Guest92744 .. if you get a prompt similar to this: http://i0.wp.com/www.michaelhleonard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Screen-Shot-2013-07-12-at-1.44.56-PM.png .. I suggest you change the 'user' to 'debian'/'root'
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[16:28:06] <Guest92744> Thats work fine ,thanks veremit
[16:28:22] <veremit> :)
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[16:43:16] <Guest38139> hi i didn't any find the tmp folder under my beaglebone ,sftpfiles,My Home ?!
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[16:46:54] <veremit> Guest38139 .. what are you looking for?
[16:47:51] <Guest38139> i want to copy the c project i have done to beagle bone folder called tmp/tmp/
[16:48:43] <veremit> tmp is usually located in the / top-level root
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[16:49:13] <veremit> ie. "cd /tmp" should take you there from a prompt
[16:49:43] <veremit> but beware that /tmp is usually wiped every boot
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[16:56:08] <Guest38139> Thanks :)
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[17:22:45] <veremit> np
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[18:02:05] <zmatt> hmz, annoying that the am335x datasheet doesn't spec the "micro edge positioning" step size of the eHRPWM modules
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[18:02:38] <zmatt> (even more annoying they didn't include some convenient way to calibrate it, considering it is apparently somewhat dependent on voltage and temperature)
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[19:36:58] <GenTooMan> Really voltage and temperature dependant? hmmm
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[20:58:18] <temecula> new to BBB do not see accessories on screen after bootup
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[23:40:38] <black13> how do i set up networking to network out of my bblack
[23:40:55] <veremit> plug a network cable in?
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[23:42:25] <black13> i have a terminal session working
[23:45:27] <veremit> via usb per-chance?
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