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  • [00:07:42] <cantintolinux> alright im back
  • [00:08:01] <cantintolinux> so what drivers do i need to share my internet connectivity between my laptop and my beaglebone?
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  • [00:12:06] <endrift> cantintolinux: g_cdc or g_ether (I recommend the former) on the BeagleBone side
  • [00:13:15] <endrift> on the laptop side, see the drivers here: http://beagleboard.org/getting-started#step2
  • [00:14:09] <endrift> what OS are you running on the laptop?
  • [00:15:36] <cantintolinux> i have windows 8 on this
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  • [00:15:54] <cantintolinux> i installed those but my beaglebone still doesn't connect
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  • [00:17:21] <cantintolinux> also, where can i find g_cdc?
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  • [00:25:22] <mrpackethead> zmatt: i wonder if we post Ti questions to the ST forums, if we'll get support
  • [00:25:29] <mrpackethead> given that TI doesnt support TI on TI forums
  • [00:28:57] <endrift> cantintolinux: just type sudo modprobe g_cdc on the command line
  • [00:29:00] <endrift> it should be already installed
  • [00:30:46] <cantintolinux> ok i'll check
  • [00:32:41] <cantintolinux> root@beaglebone:~# sudo modprobe g_cdc ERROR: could not insert 'g_cdc': No such device
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  • [00:32:54] <cantintolinux> i guess it isn't
  • [00:33:55] <cantintolinux> do i do sudo apt-get g_cdc
  • [00:35:28] <cantintolinux> nope
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  • [00:42:02] <zmatt> mrpackethead: lol
  • [00:42:29] <mrpackethead> very quick response from TI on that topic though
  • [00:44:10] <zmatt> mrpackethead: that's a bit harsh, my impression is that ST's e2e forum isn't inhabited by ST staff *at all*
  • [00:44:42] <mrpackethead> is ti's inhabited by anyone from TI?
  • [00:45:23] <mrpackethead> maybe you need to be spending $10M a week for them to care
  • [00:45:32] <zmatt> euh, yeah, and a large percentage of topics get a reply (of varying usefulness)
  • [00:47:50] <zmatt> and some topics actually get replies from people with access to the processor's design, not just first-line helpdeskers
  • [00:49:49] <mrpackethead> its just an annoying way to run support
  • [00:52:20] <zmatt> as far as unpaid support for hordes of nobodies goes, it seems okay :P
  • [00:52:37] <mrpackethead> yeah, i guess. you get what you pay for
  • [00:52:53] <mrpackethead> sadly, they fail to help those people who woudl pay for good support
  • [00:53:34] <mrpackethead> the time we waste becuase we dont' know something that an expert in the topic could provide in 15 minutes ends up making paid support very cheap
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  • [00:54:12] <zmatt> true
  • [00:54:42] <zmatt> dunno how that works with TI... I've even seen the E2E forum used for questions between TI employees themselves
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  • [00:55:11] <endrift> no such device...? That's odd
  • [00:55:21] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [00:55:37] <mrpackethead> i met a guy who made a lot of money out of HP
  • [00:55:51] <mrpackethead> he bought surplus parts of one part of HP and sold them to another
  • [00:56:33] <zmatt> lol
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  • [00:59:31] <mrpackethead> he was an ex hp employee
  • [00:59:38] <mrpackethead> lots = millions.
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  • [01:00:32] <zmatt> some people apparently do manage to get stuff done by TI... http://e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/t/399099
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  • [01:02:59] <mrpackethead> zmatt: i've had a couple of really useful replys
  • [01:03:20] <mrpackethead> i must be fair
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  • [01:05:44] <zmatt> the Sitara forum is in that regard much better than the DM814x forum where I've also spent a fair bit of time... it has *only* some first-line helpdeskers, who themselves often have to send multiple internal mails and wait weeks to get a reply out of someone with knowledge of the design
  • [01:07:26] <zmatt> (it's a good match with the ancient and unmaintained kernel tree and apparently unmaintained docs I guess :P )
  • [01:08:37] <mrpackethead> at least i have some concrete to go and smash
  • [01:09:13] <zmatt> (at least the erratum I reported a year ago and which was confirmed still hasn't been integrated into the published errata, ditto for the couple of TRM errors I reported via the feedback forum)
  • [01:09:33] <zmatt> *form
  • [01:10:24] <mrpackethead> Im just wanting to know how to programm thousands of systems..
  • [01:11:03] <mrpackethead> in bulk.
  • [01:11:17] <zmatt> pre-flash them prior to production?
  • [01:11:22] <mrpackethead> ideally
  • [01:11:47] <mrpackethead> and how to keep my code secure.
  • [01:11:57] <zmatt> on a GP device? you don't
  • [01:12:05] <mrpackethead> GP?
  • [01:12:21] <zmatt> general-purpose device, as opposed to the HS (high-security) devices
  • [01:12:25] <mrpackethead> ahh
  • [01:13:10] <mrpackethead> so, how do you protect your IP?
  • [01:13:12] <mrpackethead> you dont?
  • [01:13:13] <zmatt> e.g. the omaps you'll find in a smartphone will most likely be HS devices, the omap on a beagleboard is a GP device
  • [01:13:33] <zmatt> cast the thing in epoxy? might have some thermal issues :P
  • [01:13:49] <mrpackethead> the code is written to external flash
  • [01:13:50] <mrpackethead> :-(
  • [01:15:12] <zmatt> if you can secure the initial bootloading step, you can secure the rest of the boot with crypto
  • [01:15:42] <zmatt> but that still means somehow making sure the initial bootloader cannot be bypassed and its keying material cannot be accessed
  • [01:15:54] <zmatt> for which you'll still need the epoxy :P
  • [01:16:09] <clvrmnky> That'll keep me out, maybe. but not real hackers.
  • [01:16:20] <zmatt> well, epoxy is annoying
  • [01:16:29] <zmatt> finding a bug in your "secure" bootloader may be easier
  • [01:16:51] <clvrmnky> I meant the secure bootloader. It's not if, but when, it is cracked.
  • [01:17:16] <zmatt> mhhh, that's not necessarily true
  • [01:17:27] <clvrmnky> My understandins if the big dogs run with secure booloaders and lots of lawyers.
  • [01:17:58] <zmatt> the problem is that most software is crap, and with security one mistake is all that it takes
  • [01:18:19] <clvrmnky> Oh, absolutely. But physical access affords a great number of interesting attacks, too.
  • [01:18:23] <zmatt> especially when someone has local access to the device and can poke at it all it wants
  • [01:18:26] <zmatt> yes
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  • [01:18:56] <zmatt> making the device self-destruct when it smells a rat would help against that, but is not really a viable option outside military applications
  • [01:19:41] <clvrmnky> Yup, rarely seen. Players like NATO just influence lawmakers to have really, really strict export laws.
  • [01:19:58] <clvrmnky> Well, not "just". But it is a cornerstone of keeping those secrets.
  • [01:20:04] <zmatt> though, a switch that disconnects the battery-backup RAM when you open the case, causing the authorization key to be lost, may be an option
  • [01:20:49] <zmatt> it'll still fail if the attacker has access to sufficient number of devices (or many people are interested in attacking the device)
  • [01:21:07] <zmatt> it depends very much also on whether you're a worthwhile target or not
  • [01:21:09] <clvrmnky> The problem with active devices like that is that maybe it could be used against you? If I couldn't steal your IP, maybe I'd make sure your shipments all hosed on arrival, everywhere.
  • [01:21:26] <zmatt> the best defense is being uninteresting
  • [01:21:39] <clvrmnky> Yes. The real decision is if you have something worth protecting, and for how long.
  • [01:22:49] <clvrmnky> Often you are protecting yourself from people who are oyur ideal customers, too. I'm thinking of gamers, and how they cracked the crypto on the Wii to create really great variations on super smash bros and similar games.
  • [01:23:22] <clvrmnky> That one was using a bug in one of the games to break the crypto, as you suggested upthread.
  • [01:23:49] <clvrmnky> I have some OS on the Wii that uses one of a handful of games to brute force the bootloader.
  • [01:23:52] <zmatt> game consoles are in a tough spot, since their products (unless totally flopped) *will* end up in the hands of lots of people with both knowledge and motivation to bypass their security
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  • [01:24:22] <clvrmnky> Yup. And a half-life much shorter than even a phone. But with longer tails. Weird business.
  • [01:24:29] <clvrmnky> no thanks.
  • [01:24:38] <clvrmnky> I'll stick to being a code monkey.
  • [01:24:43] <zmatt> hehe
  • [01:25:00] <zmatt> I can understand TI fleeing the omap market
  • [01:25:12] <clvrmnky> They had their day in the sun.
  • [01:25:18] <clvrmnky> OMAP was everywhere.
  • [01:25:53] <zmatt> it's unfortuante that also seems to have vaporized support for some omap-derived processors like the DM814x (*after* we designed a board based on it, of course)
  • [01:25:56] <clvrmnky> The original Internet of Things before the full on internet. It was mostly "Things." But still.
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  • [01:27:06] <zmatt> (the fact that the AM572x is branded Sitara also seems like a death-sentence to the DaVinci brand)
  • [01:27:17] <clvrmnky> Design has really flattened in some ways, and solidified in others. I'm seeing, for example, FPGA used everywhere now a trad MC or even MP would be used. If all you need is transistor gates...
  • [01:28:08] <clvrmnky> This is the second time this week I've seen Sitara mentioned.
  • [01:28:16] <clvrmnky> Not here, either.
  • [01:28:22] <zmatt> ?
  • [01:28:42] <mrpackethead> FPGA's certainly have a place
  • [01:28:51] <mrpackethead> but not i'm not sure if they will be *everywhere* yet.
  • [01:28:55] <mrpackethead> or ever.
  • [01:28:56] <clvrmnky> I can't remember where, but I have a bad habit of reading RSS feeds and then not knowing where the source waas.
  • [01:29:10] <mrpackethead> you've got an apple watch then
  • [01:29:15] <zmatt> Sitara is the brand of TI's general purpose ARM-based SoCs (the AMxxxx parts)
  • [01:29:16] <mrpackethead> you'll be in info overlaod
  • [01:29:30] <mrpackethead> are we going to break the internet
  • [01:29:40] <clvrmnky> Today I saw someone did a 6502 project for old-time fun and just modelled the chip in FPGA. Not too many transistors, there.
  • [01:29:45] <cantintolinux> hey guys
  • [01:29:59] <cantintolinux> i'm trying to share internet connectivity between my bbb and my laptop
  • [01:30:11] <cantintolinux> and i was told to install the g_cdc driver
  • [01:30:19] <cantintolinux> where can i find that
  • [01:30:20] <zmatt> cantintolinux: ehh
  • [01:30:31] <zmatt> cantintolinux: you don't need to install anything normally
  • [01:30:41] <cantintolinux> well when i try to update
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  • [01:30:46] <cantintolinux> it can't connect
  • [01:31:12] <zmatt> that's logical since it can only reach your computer, you need to enable internet sharing on your computer to the beagle
  • [01:31:17] <zmatt> (depends on OS how you do that)
  • [01:31:36] <cantintolinux> i have windows 8 64 bit
  • [01:31:42] <cantintolinux> how can i enable internet sharing
  • [01:31:46] <cantintolinux> to the beaglebone
  • [01:31:50] <zmatt> is google down?
  • [01:32:10] <zmatt> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=windows+internet+sharing
  • [01:33:32] <mrpackethead> ekk, its the end of the world
  • [01:33:58] <zmatt> cantintolinux: and you'll need to change the BBB's network config
  • [01:34:47] <cantintolinux> how can i do that
  • [01:34:50] <cantintolinux> nvm
  • [01:34:53] <zmatt> since right now it's the dhcp server on the tiny LAN (over USB) between your BBB and your computer, while it needs to be configured as client
  • [01:34:53] <cantintolinux> i'll google it
  • [01:34:57] <zmatt> hehehe
  • [01:34:58] <cantintolinux> B)
  • [01:35:23] <mrpackethead> ethernet over usb was the dumbest thing ever invented.
  • [01:35:57] <zmatt> mrpackethead: the worst thing is... theoretically it could even be faster than ethernet on the bbb (since it only has 100baseT)
  • [01:36:15] <mrpackethead> yeah.
  • [01:36:25] <cantintolinux> okay uh
  • [01:36:41] <cantintolinux> so im looking at a page about it but im not sure its even the right thing
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  • [01:37:27] <zmatt> cantintolinux: I have to admit, I don't actually know offhand what the necessary changes are, since I always plug BBBs into ethernet
  • [01:37:37] <cantintolinux> so i configure it to use dhcp settings?
  • [01:37:50] <cantintolinux> i have an ethernet cable but the router is in a different room
  • [01:38:04] <mrpackethead> (a) get longer cable
  • [01:38:06] <zmatt> buy a cheap ethernet switch?
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  • [01:38:15] <mrpackethead> (b) move bbb to route
  • [01:38:22] <zmatt> or that
  • [01:38:24] <mrpackethead> (b) move bbb to other room
  • [01:38:37] <mrpackethead> or (c) move router to bbb
  • [01:38:44] <cantintolinux> yeah but this is just more convenient in the long run u know what i'm sayin
  • [01:38:56] <mrpackethead> does'nt everyone have at least 12 ports of ethernet at their desk
  • [01:38:56] <mrpackethead> ?
  • [01:39:05] <mrpackethead> or is that me.
  • [01:39:17] <zmatt> cantintolinux: no, a switch on your desk to be able to plug more devices in is more convenient in the long run
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  • [01:39:40] <cantintolinux> i guess
  • [01:39:45] <cantintolinux> hm
  • [01:40:05] <zmatt> also since it means windows can reboot automatically to install updates without affecting the cool stuff you got running on your BBB
  • [01:40:05] <cantintolinux> well i have never even booted into the actual linux on the beaglebone
  • [01:40:09] <cantintolinux> how do i do that
  • [01:40:21] <zmatt> log in on it you mean?
  • [01:40:26] <cantintolinux> yeah
  • [01:40:29] <zmatt> (it's obviously booted)
  • [01:40:45] <zmatt> so you're just using the web-interface right now?
  • [01:40:53] <cantintolinux> no im using putty
  • [01:40:58] <cantintolinux> to look at the terminal
  • [01:41:03] <cantintolinux> it's using debian though
  • [01:41:05] <zmatt> ok, that's it
  • [01:41:05] <mrpackethead> your there then!
  • [01:41:12] <mrpackethead> bazinga!
  • [01:41:16] <zmatt> what more are you expecting? :)
  • [01:41:26] <mrpackethead> a dancing elephant?
  • [01:41:48] <zmatt> you may also find its gui by connecting HDMI and mouse/keyboard
  • [01:42:00] <cantintolinux> yeah thats what i meant
  • [01:42:04] <zmatt> (assuming you have a standard distro installed with Xorg and stuff)
  • [01:42:21] <zmatt> I tossed all that crap on my BBB
  • [01:42:30] <cantintolinux> i'll need to find all the other stuff at home
  • [01:42:37] <cantintolinux> i don't have an hdmi and stuff with me atm
  • [01:42:44] <zmatt> there's no need for that
  • [01:42:52] <mrpackethead> https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
  • [01:43:08] <zmatt> though it's useful as a way to rescue your BBB if you manage to hose its network config and can't connect with it anymore using putty
  • [01:43:18] <zmatt> (assuming you don't have a serial cable)
  • [01:43:34] <mrpackethead> cantintolinux: there is a file called /etc/network/interfaces
  • [01:43:47] <cantintolinux> i have the cable
  • [01:43:49] <cantintolinux> ok so
  • [01:43:49] <mrpackethead> actually i wonder if its already configured.
  • [01:44:01] <mrpackethead> from the terminal
  • [01:44:03] <mrpackethead> type this
  • [01:44:03] <cantintolinux> no i tested it with sharing on
  • [01:44:03] <zmatt> really, buying an ethernet switch is the easy solution
  • [01:44:12] <mrpackethead> more /etc/network/interfaces
  • [01:44:12] <cantintolinux> and tried to update
  • [01:44:24] <mrpackethead> cut and paste what it spits back at you here
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  • [01:44:37] <cantintolinux> ok
  • [01:45:01] <zmatt> cantintolinux: since the BBB isn't configured as dhcp client, it doesn't have any way to know about the internet connection you shared with it
  • [01:45:15] <cantintolinux> root@beaglebone:~# more /etc/network/interfaces # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface #allow-hotplug eth0 #iface eth0 inet dhcp # Example to keep MAC address between reboots #hwaddress ether DE:AD:BE:EF:CA:FE # The secondary network
  • [01:45:42] <zmatt> i.e. everything is commented, the file isn't being used
  • [01:45:52] <zmatt> stock distro probably uses network manager or so?
  • [01:46:10] <cantintolinux> how can i check
  • [01:46:13] <mrpackethead> zmatt, i think its just the way its been copied.
  • [01:46:32] <mrpackethead> canto, where there '#' on teh start of every line.
  • [01:46:35] <mrpackethead> or just some.
  • [01:46:42] <zmatt> mrpackethead: no, #iface definitely means that line is commented
  • [01:46:55] <cantintolinux> there's a few uncommented lines
  • [01:46:56] <zmatt> also, no mention of the usb interface at all
  • [01:47:12] <zmatt> ah your paste is also truncated
  • [01:47:22] <zmatt> your pastebin or such
  • [01:47:24] <zmatt> but to be honest
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  • [01:47:43] <zmatt> just get an ethernet switch
  • [01:48:20] <cantintolinux> dang
  • [01:48:39] <zmatt> especially since, right now, the usb-network connection is your only way to interact with your bbb
  • [01:48:53] <cantintolinux> my main goal with this beaglebone is to make the gui look cool
  • [01:48:58] <cantintolinux> because i've never used linux before
  • [01:49:16] <zmatt> so if you make any mistake, you have a brick until you get your hdmi cable and manage to fix its settings that way
  • [01:49:39] <clvrmnky> Serial cable FTW.
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  • [01:50:29] <cantintolinux> i don't have an hdmi port on my beaglebone
  • [01:50:38] <zmatt> you do
  • [01:50:39] <cantintolinux> am i supposed to get a usb to hdmi converter thing or what
  • [01:50:41] <cantintolinux> where
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  • [01:51:39] <clvrmnky> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#BeagleBone_Black_Picture
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  • [01:52:16] <clvrmnky> uHDMI under the USB Host, next to the uSD slot.
  • [01:52:23] <cantintolinux> oh my
  • [01:52:28] <cantintolinux> i don't have anything like that
  • [01:52:37] <zmatt> nope, you need a special cable
  • [01:52:49] <cantintolinux> i do have a serial cable though so
  • [01:53:15] <zmatt> a 3.3V FTDI serial cable? ( http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Serial )
  • [01:53:35] <clvrmnky> Search amazon for "micro HDMI"
  • [01:53:45] <cantintolinux> i might have one in this box of stuff
  • [01:54:14] <zmatt> I may have said this already, but to be honest...
  • [01:54:18] <zmatt> just get an ethernet switch :P
  • [01:54:19] <clvrmnky> The right FTDI cable gives you more blinky lights. BBB development requires photons,, blue ones and plenty of them.
  • [01:55:06] <clvrmnky> I know 0 about HDM
  • [01:55:21] <clvrmnky> I other than I plug some devices inot a dell monitor to make a TV.
  • [01:55:27] <cantintolinux> ok so i have a shitload of wires with the little sticks on the end
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  • [01:56:01] <zmatt> cantintolinux: good, plug them in randomly. if no smoke rises out of your BBB, it may work
  • [01:56:18] <clvrmnky> You can get more magic smoke from Amazon.
  • [01:56:21] <cantintolinux> oh hey i have a usb wifi antenna
  • [01:56:35] <clvrmnky> MAybe a WLAN device?
  • [01:56:48] <cantintolinux> i've got some little red lights with two sticks on the bottom
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  • [01:57:00] <zmatt> (which probably won't work without a powered usb hub btw)
  • [01:57:11] <clvrmnky> This channel is too technnical.
  • [01:58:02] <cantintolinux> a lot of tiny screws
  • [01:58:16] <cantintolinux> a green thingy with some more metal sticks
  • [01:58:38] <zmatt> a green thingy, sounds good, try that one
  • [01:58:39] <clvrmnky> Now you are just making things up.
  • [01:58:46] <cantintolinux> no
  • [01:59:03] <cantintolinux> i have no idea waht it is i just have it
  • [01:59:06] <cantintolinux> in this box
  • [01:59:15] <clvrmnky> Magic box of things.
  • [01:59:28] <cantintolinux> box of beaglebone magic stuff
  • [01:59:43] <zmatt> what the hell is it?
  • [01:59:55] <cantintolinux> a starter kit lol
  • [01:59:56] <mastiff> whatever you want it to be
  • [02:00:05] <cantintolinux> i have an hdd sata cable
  • [02:00:12] <clvrmnky> "Let me pull a rabbit out of this hat."
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  • [02:00:21] <clvrmnky> "Oops. Wrong hat."
  • [02:00:31] <cantintolinux> let me pull a green thingy with sticks out of this box
  • [02:00:47] <cantintolinux> oh shit i have some clear lights with metal sticks
  • [02:00:50] <cantintolinux> and some green lights
  • [02:01:09] <zmatt> which starter kit? since it sounds like a different one than the first google hit
  • [02:01:21] <clvrmnky> Well, you got lots of GPIO. May as well puts ome more LEDs on the thing.
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  • [02:02:58] <zmatt> there seem to be tons of "beaglebone starter kits", most of them with dubious content
  • [02:03:07] <cantintolinux> i have no idea
  • [02:03:32] <cantintolinux> i dont have the original box with me
  • [02:03:35] <cantintolinux> it is at my house
  • [02:04:08] <zmatt> where are you now then?
  • [02:04:49] <cantintolinux> a different house
  • [02:05:07] <zmatt> ok
  • [02:05:32] <cantintolinux> getting started with bealebone
  • [02:05:45] <cantintolinux> updated for the latest beaglebones running debian
  • [02:06:08] <cantintolinux> linux-powered electronic projects with python and javascript by matt richardson foreword by jason kridner
  • [02:06:48] <zmatt> I'm afraid you've used up your support quotum with me for today, maybe you still have credits left with someone else :P
  • [02:06:49] <cantintolinux> came with a metal orange case
  • [02:07:51] <cantintolinux> hey
  • [02:07:54] <cantintolinux> this looks like it
  • [02:07:55] <cantintolinux> http://www.logicsupply.com/components/beaglebone/boards-cases-kits/bblk-kit/
  • [02:09:01] <cantintolinux> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-71707/l/beaglebone-black-starter-kit
  • [02:09:08] <cantintolinux> but element 14 was on the book
  • [02:12:06] <mrpackethead> cantintolinux: i have 500 support credits for sale.
  • [02:12:36] <cantintolinux> i have a box full of random shit
  • [02:13:10] <mrpackethead> please send 5Million Euro by paypal to supportcredits@randomshityoudontneed.com
  • [02:13:51] <cantintolinux> sent
  • [02:14:11] <cantintolinux> i hope it's one of those two starter kits
  • [02:14:21] <cantintolinux> but im prob gonna do this at home
  • [02:14:33] <cantintolinux> sitting in bed on my laptop prob isnt the best place to do this
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  • [12:39:00] <dk_> hi
  • [12:39:28] <dk_> hi
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  • [12:40:53] <dk_> hi
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  • [12:41:30] <dk_> u have any code for beagle board on board led control
  • [12:42:52] <uuhimhere> dk_, http://bit.ly/18Kp2es
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  • [14:31:44] <Milad_> hi, is there an official (3.14 or upper kernel ) debian image for beaglebone black?
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  • [14:36:03] <GenTooMan> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images ?
  • [14:37:20] <Milad_> it's 3.8
  • [14:38:28] <Milad_> i actually need 3.14 for sgx and qt5 opengl
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  • [14:46:04] <clvrmnky> Debian ARM might be an option, assuming it has the kernel you need.
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  • [14:53:31] <GenTooMan> Well I've noticed BBB distros and beagle board distros don't update on a regular basis. Angstrom has been mired into Yocto (which is .. well yocto but I haven't seen much activity maintaining wise)
  • [14:56:00] <tbr> vanilla generally should work, it all depends on what features you need
  • [14:57:24] <GenTooMan> https://www.debian.org/ports/arm/index.en.html debian arm
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  • [15:11:30] <clvrmnky> Debian ARM is based on v6. You could check the kernel in that. I have no idea how you'd roll your own kernel, but that is also doable I'm sure.
  • [15:12:58] <GenTooMan> Anyone use any of the open cores open cores (redundantly repetitious)
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  • [15:32:05] <zmatt> https://rcn-ee.net/rootfs/bb.org/testing/
  • [15:33:04] <zmatt> has debian 7.8 images for BBB (both minimal "console" images and larger ones with GUI)
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  • [15:33:36] <zmatt> still uses a 3.8 kernel by default, but newer kernels available as package
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  • [19:21:45] <veremit> :) thats what I'm gonna do for my wand
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  • [21:20:18] <GenTooMan> Ummm how much torque do you need? They created the differential to resolve the turning issue with wheels unless you are trying to turn the vehical that way, you have 3 wheels?
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  • [21:34:58] <agmlego|skynet> yeah, sounded like skid steer.
  • [21:38:16] <GenTooMan> You see them all the time but not sure you want to do that with a car (IE something you ride in)
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