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[00:23:14] <LordWillO> really dumb question: if I plug 5v power AND USB into my BBB, will anything bad happen?
[00:23:53] <veremit> nope :)
[00:23:59] <vvu> no
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[00:24:02] <veremit> there's a switching transistor on board
[00:24:10] <veremit> and/or diodes too
[00:24:47] <LordWillO> ah, cool. Thanks!
[00:24:48] <veremit> you might want to debug via usb whilst the board is powered from the barrel connector for peripherals, etc
[00:25:13] <LordWillO> exactly what I was planning to do, actually!
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[00:30:04] <adamwwolf_> I do not think that -mfloat-abi=softfp works on the default gcc on the Wheezy GCC image.
[00:30:32] <adamwwolf_> Anyone have any other tips on how to get an arm-linux-gnueabi/armel toolchain on wheezy on a BBB?
[00:31:02] <adamwwolf_> When I installed gcc:armel, it wasn't built with thumb support :(
[00:31:24] <endrift> you could cross compile it
[00:32:03] <endrift> I've built cross-compiler toolchains more than I'd care to admit, so cross-compiling a toolchain shouldn't be THAT bad
[00:32:15] <endrift> it might just require building the toolchain twice, with different configs
[00:32:17] <veremit> yeah cross-compile
[00:32:32] <veremit> I wouldn't build anythinig on an arm board .. just takes too long ;)
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[00:32:40] <endrift> exactly
[00:32:51] <adamwwolf_> the problem is that the software I'm compiling has a lot of dependencies
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[00:33:12] <adamwwolf_> and I seem to have to compile all those as well--or is there a trick to gank the headers from a running system or something?
[00:33:12] <endrift> you could cross compile the compiler, though
[00:33:31] <endrift> what I do there is I just rsync over the whole root and use -sysroot
[00:33:35] <adamwwolf_> ah, i see what you're getting at
[00:33:48] <adamwwolf_> endrift: I used sysroot with Android a while ago a few contracts back, and it worked slick
[00:34:10] <endrift> yeah, I have a whole BBB image on my build machine that I just use -sysroot to compile against
[00:34:38] <adamwwolf_> I should be able to use a boot sd for that, right?
[00:34:55] <endrift> yeah; I pulled off the actual running image but that should work too
[00:35:27] <endrift> and once you have the stuff you want to install, use make DESTDIR=[directory] to install it to a temp directory for packaging
[00:35:35] <endrift> *make install DESTDIR
[00:35:41] <adamwwolf_> sure, sure
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[00:35:53] <endrift> (it's a handy trick that I didn't know about for ages)
[00:40:11] <adamwwolf_> hmm, how do I point ./configure at my sysroot?
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[00:41:14] <adamwwolf_> in my cflags, sorry for the noise
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[01:52:50] <adamwwolf_> endrift: having issues with sysroot
[01:53:04] <endrift> adamwwolf_: same issue as above?
[01:53:09] <endrift> (I just saw your messages)
[01:53:14] <adamwwolf_> it finds the first level of libraries fine, but doesn't find anything those libraries depend on
[01:53:26] <endrift> hmm
[01:53:29] <adamwwolf_> nope, I did CFLAGS="--sysroot=/path/to/rootfs"
[01:53:35] <adamwwolf_> some folks online say it might be a linker thing?
[01:53:43] <endrift> oh, yes
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[01:53:54] <endrift> you might need -Wl,rpath=/path/to/rootfs/lib
[01:53:58] <endrift> er
[01:54:05] <endrift> -Wl,rpath,/path/to/rootfs/lib
[01:54:08] <endrift> one of those
[01:54:47] <endrift> -Wl,-rpath,/path/to/rootfs/lib apparently
[01:55:11] <adamwwolf_> thanks!
[01:55:29] <endrift> and you can do more than one if you need /path/to/rootfs/arm-linux-gnueabi/lib for example
[01:55:32] <adamwwolf_> Nice!
[01:55:33] <adamwwolf_> it worked
[01:55:38] <adamwwolf_> +10 points endrift
[01:55:55] <endrift> I've done this too much by now @@
[01:56:03] <endrift> glad you got it working
[01:56:17] <endrift> --sysroot is for the compiler, -rpath is for the linker
[01:56:23] <endrift> -Wl says "pass these flags to the linker"
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[02:27:57] <adamwwolf_> endrift: another issue :)
[02:28:12] <endrift> what this time?
[02:28:22] <adamwwolf_> so I got through configure fine, but now midway through teh compile, ld complains it cannot find lz, however, it found -lz during configure...
[02:29:40] <endrift> hmm
[02:29:47] <endrift> is this is a HOSTCC vs CC issue?
[02:30:19] <adamwwolf_> i'm not sure. when i'm cross compiling, it's properly using arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc
[02:30:27] <endrift> assuming these are autoconf projects, are you making sure to use --target and --host appropriately?
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[02:30:38] <adamwwolf_> i'll doublecheck. thanks for hte pointers
[02:32:32] <adamwwolf_> (I think they are correct. --host i686-linux-gnu and --target arm-linux-gnueabi)
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[02:34:29] <adamwwolf_> endrift: i'm going to try again, i'm not sure why it can't find -lz, because it explicitly can find it during ./configure
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[05:08:30] <luciano_> Hi , i need help , i have this capes http://cdn.logicsupply.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/bd5fa33d207734c88c51f8ebb17de6c4/b/b/bbb-exp-c-chipsee-7inch-touchscreen.jpg, and i want run a qt application , but the touchscreen doesn't work , because need set variable qws_mouse_proto, , can anyone help me?
[05:08:36] <uhhimhere> hi guys how does the kernel decide which mach-- file to use.Is it something we define in menuconfig?
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[05:27:52] <timsta> hello folks..anyone used xenomai RTOS with MQTT or ZeroMQ on a BBB?
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[06:51:34] <pjain> how can i run bonescript on my beagle board without cloud9
[06:52:02] <pjain> i tried to install nodejs but fail to install bonescript using same
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[07:26:29] <Killerhands> sup doods
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[10:04:56] <roland_> Hi,
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[10:05:29] <roland_> does someone know how the EEPROM on capes is being read? Via I2C or SPI?
[10:05:35] <LetoThe2nd> i2c
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[10:05:47] <roland_> with which address?
[10:06:16] <av500> its in the SRM
[10:06:26] <roland_> you mean in the BBB_SRM?
[10:06:30] <LetoThe2nd> no idea, schematics should tell you. AFAIK its just an ordinary 24Cwhatever eeprom
[10:06:44] <LetoThe2nd> maybe 0x50-0x57
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[11:10:02] <Parduz> hello from italy
[11:10:34] <Parduz> could someone help me with "configure" options?
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[11:10:49] <tbr> configure for what?
[11:11:19] <Parduz> I'm trying to cross-compile the wxWidgets for the BBB with debiam, from a Windows7 machine
[11:11:47] <Parduz> i'm stuck in the --host --target --build options, at the oment
[11:11:52] <Parduz> *moment*
[11:12:31] * tbr slowly backs away
[11:13:17] <Parduz> configure is a linux stuff, no reasont to backs away (if the problem is me being a dirty win user)
[11:14:01] <tbr> it's like the most convoluted and error prone way possible to approach this
[11:14:56] <LetoThe2nd> apt-get install libwxwhatever or howsit called (easiest way)
[11:15:09] <LetoThe2nd> or compile on the debian (second easiest way)
[11:15:23] <LetoThe2nd> or set up a linux vm to cross compile (third easiest way)
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[11:16:00] <LetoThe2nd> properly crosscompiling a debian package on a windows host is probably the most error prone, hardest and useless way to do it.
[11:16:13] <Parduz> not sure what you mean, tbr. I'm already cross-compiling terminal apps, i think i may be able to build GUI apps too.
[11:16:47] <tbr> Parduz: right, good luck with that. Your problem will be that nobody in here does that, so nobody will answer your questions.
[11:16:55] <Parduz> letoThe2nd, i see. Still, i'd like to try, if you could help me with that options
[11:17:20] <Parduz> i just don't know what to pass.
[11:17:38] <LetoThe2nd> Parduz: sorry, i do not feel like wasting my time with tasks that i do not deem worth it
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[11:18:14] <Parduz> Thanks for the non-help, then
[11:18:15] <LetoThe2nd> read that as: i am no windows user and will not read up on the strange ways to use it because i'm just not interested
[11:19:22] <Parduz> Leto: i'm asking help about a linus stuff. You have the right to judge that i'm wasting my time (or yours), but basically i'm asking for help about linux stuffs, whatever are my purposes
[11:21:08] <LetoThe2nd> Parduz: i'm not keeping you from anything. go ahead. if you figure it out and maybe even document it for the rest of the world, probably a lot of windows users will be thankful. its just something that i won#t do with my time.
[11:21:45] <LetoThe2nd> feel free to read my posts again, i always said that i won't waste *my* time, i never talked about yours.
[11:23:23] <LetoThe2nd> and crosscompiling a standard binary might even still be easy, but when you'Re talking about wxwidgets, you're talking about the proper use of a library. that means sysroots, the same libraries, all the fun shebang.
[11:24:15] <LetoThe2nd> and i just won't deal with it for windows.
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[12:27:08] <anates> What is the purpose of PWR_BUT? I couldn't find anything about it (except its voltage level) in the SRM...
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[12:32:05] <niles> hi need a linux phone os developer
[12:32:08] <tbr> wasn't that wired into the PMIC? I'm unsure, either it's unused or it might produce a power button key event
[12:32:30] <tbr> niles: for what?
[12:32:32] <anates> yes, it was wired into the PMIC, but I don't understand the purpose...
[12:32:57] <anates> -was +is
[12:33:16] <niles> hello Tbr - I need to show case a fully operational linux phone to my clients
[12:33:19] <tbr> anates: you might need to as jkridner or someone on the mailign list might know.
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[12:33:42] <tbr> niles: rrrright...
[12:34:08] <niles> tbr - if the client likes the product I am in business
[12:34:28] <tbr> niles: sure, your problem is that you don't have a product though.
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[12:34:57] <niles> tbr - so my requirement is I need a a single point of contact - who would run the show
[12:36:01] <tbr> you not only need that, you need double digit VC funding and hire a team of 50+ people
[12:36:37] <niles> tbr - so I need some one who can handle the show .
[12:37:06] <LetoThe2nd> niles: you're to pay for the development upfront?
[12:37:18] <tbr> niles: your problem is that if someone is capable to run the show they either already do themselves or they know there is no benefit in entering the market.
[12:37:25] <LetoThe2nd> niles: if not, what would a phone developer need you for?
[12:37:55] <niles> tbr - the problem is whom to trust and to what extent :)
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[12:38:52] <LetoThe2nd> niles: long story short. "do you have enough venture capital that you are willing to spend right now so that somebody will create your product?"
[12:38:59] <av500> niles: show your client any Android phone
[12:39:02] <av500> they all run Linux
[12:39:08] <LetoThe2nd> niles: if not, everything is moot.
[12:39:20] <ynezz> or Nexus5 -> Ubuntu
[12:39:30] <ynezz> or I can sell you my Neo9731
[12:39:32] <av500> ynezz: stock nexus runs linux
[12:39:42] <av500> dmesg proves me right
[12:39:59] <ynezz> but with ugly Android UI
[12:40:04] <uhhimhere> hi guys id like your opinion on this : hey take a look at this post; id like your opinion : http://forum.cyanogenmod.org/topic/103336-dtsi-compiling-vanilla-linux-on-samsung-gt-s7580/
[12:40:04] <ynezz> ubuntu > *
[12:40:06] <LetoThe2nd> niles: yeah, you can also contact canonical. they say they have a linux phone. for enough $$$ they will certainly rebrand it for you.
[12:40:14] <LetoThe2nd> niles: or mozilla foundation.
[12:40:16] <av500> uhhimhere: is that beagle related?
[12:40:26] <niles> @av500 - the concept is simple - they want a phone which is open to the user -- do what u wants types -- freedom and hassle free
[12:40:27] <anates> @uhhimhere: I think you are in the wrong chat...
[12:40:36] <LetoThe2nd> av500: more like bogus related
[12:40:38] <uhhimhere> oh sorry i just noticed talk about android
[12:40:46] <jacekowski> niles: nokia has n900
[12:40:49] <jacekowski> niles: used to have
[12:40:51] <av500> had
[12:41:04] <jacekowski> niles: and there is new samsung linux stuff
[12:41:08] <uhhimhere> i used to have one; pissed me off that i was stuck with a crappy browser
[12:41:10] <av500> lolzen
[12:41:21] <niles> lettothe2d - yep talk are on the canonical too
[12:41:29] <jacekowski> uhhimhere: there was chrome for n900
[12:41:33] <tbr> LetoThe2nd: firefoxOS is handled by Mozilla Corporation, not the foundation IIRC. So basically Netscape2 Corp.
[12:41:38] <jacekowski> uhhimhere: and it worked quite well
[12:41:40] <ynezz> html5 write once, lagging everywhere
[12:41:40] <LetoThe2nd> niles: so what would anybody need you for?
[12:41:44] <LetoThe2nd> tbr: ah thanks
[12:41:46] <Humpelst1lzchen> uhhimhere: used the wrong browser?
[12:41:55] <av500> niles: understood
[12:42:15] <uhhimhere> Humpelst1lzchen: yeah but even then it was a really old version
[12:42:18] <av500> besides a kernel and a blinking shell cursor, what should it run?
[12:42:27] <niles> letotthe2nd - i have a vision , the client and after it clicks we have the money and still control the vision :)
[12:43:07] <uhhimhere> would have been nice to have midori running on it though
[12:43:09] <LetoThe2nd> niles: a famous german saying is "if you're having visions, you should go see a psychologist"
[12:43:19] <av500> niles: so, getting a phone hardware is easy
[12:43:35] <av500> niles: and ubuntu and FF OS both show they can run on ex-Android phones
[12:43:41] <av500> now, what would you run on it?
[12:43:41] <LetoThe2nd> niles: still you're not answering. what would anybody need you for? do you have hardware? do you have developers? do you have money to invest?
[12:43:53] <LetoThe2nd> niles: visions i can have the dozen a dime here.
[12:43:59] <uhhimhere> everybody needs a waterboy
[12:44:17] <tbr> visions are easy, just obtain a box of shroomz
[12:44:27] <niles> letothe2nd - :) - well thanks for your time ... tc
[12:44:47] <LetoThe2nd> niles: np, just being honest.
[12:44:51] <uhhimhere> well the neo900 guys are working on a new phone
[12:44:53] <uhhimhere> new-ish
[12:45:02] <uhhimhere> well new board
[12:45:04] <karki__> LetoThe2nd : +1
[12:45:09] <tbr> no they are working on an old phone
[12:45:20] <uhhimhere> openmoko
[12:45:28] <uhhimhere> with a new SoC
[12:45:33] <Humpelst1lzchen> tbr: basicly everything new but display and case :)
[12:45:34] <tbr> they had the chance to work on something new but preferred to stay with the OMAP3
[12:45:48] <niles> basically - I need someone to control the show , the hardware , the software and the support.
[12:46:11] <uhhimhere> tbr, yeah I would have seconded something with a vivante
[12:46:12] <tbr> Humpelst1lzchen: they want to stay with the Oompa3 because "binary compatibility". too bad it's also immediate obsolescence
[12:46:17] <niles> need a proper project cost , a model phone and apprx estimation for the same
[12:46:48] <Humpelst1lzchen> tbr: its needed for maemo.
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[12:47:02] <jacekowski> most of the open source linux phones/devices end up very expensive
[12:47:07] <jacekowski> that linux console
[12:47:07] <tbr> you need about 30+ M USD, a team of 50+ people (kick ass, or ten times the money and people if average) and an ODM
[12:47:10] <av500> niles: again, what does your phone run?
[12:47:10] <jacekowski> what's the name of it
[12:47:14] <av500> X11 and openoffice?
[12:47:26] <tbr> Humpelst1lzchen: yes "binary compatibility", I said that already
[12:47:41] <jacekowski> pandora
[12:47:50] <av500> I doubt moz stuck 30M into their phones
[12:47:53] <uhhimhere> pandora isnt a phone
[12:48:04] <jacekowski> but it's a similiar hardware
[12:48:08] <uhhimhere> its doesnt have any baseband stuff
[12:48:09] <tbr> av500: you might be surprised
[12:48:10] <jacekowski> just without the radio
[12:48:17] <uhhimhere> yeah thats a big part of a phone
[12:48:21] <jacekowski> but i'm just giving you an idea on how much it's going to cost
[12:48:24] <niles> @av500 - do you have the expertise to run the show then I can let you know what are the milestones
[12:48:27] <jacekowski> think pandora + radio
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[12:48:44] <uhhimhere> if you dont want that then help me out with http://forum.cyanogenmod.org/topic/103336-dtsi-compiling-vanilla-linux-on-samsung-gt-s7580/
[12:48:49] <av500> niles: I work for a company that makes smart phones
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[12:49:54] <jacekowski> pandora used to sell for something close to 1k eur
[12:49:57] <niles> @av500 - so tell me what will can you run the show
[12:50:02] <uhhimhere> jacekowski: baseband is a big part development wise i think you need a bunch of licenses
[12:50:03] <jacekowski> for hardware that was obsolete when it was released
[12:50:15] <jacekowski> uhhimhere: not exactly
[12:50:22] <jacekowski> uhhimhere: it's typically just buy and forget type thing
[12:50:35] <niles> @av500 - can`t disclose much right now
[12:50:36] <uhhimhere> nah all the driver development for RF
[12:50:39] <av500> niles: I can offer to read your PDF
[12:50:50] <jacekowski> uhhimhere: you get that all with your baseband
[12:51:26] <jacekowski> yas in, you buy it and they will give you ready to use binary driver
[12:51:28] <av500> since I have no idea what your show is, I cannot run it for now
[12:52:00] <jacekowski> if i were you i would buy existing android phone and get normal linux to run on it
[12:52:02] <uhhimhere> well then its not much of an open pandora if everythings closed
[12:52:04] <jacekowski> probably a nexus device
[12:52:31] <uhhimhere> jacekowski, that is an existing android phone.
[12:53:18] <niles> @av500 - unfortunately can`t disclose much as I am bounded by certain contracts
[12:53:28] <av500> so?
[12:53:36] <jacekowski> yeah, and you can hack it fairly easily to run linux
[12:53:36] <av500> why are you even asking here then?
[12:54:09] <niles> @av500 - all that is required is i need a SPOC ( single point of contact ) he/she should have the expertise to run the show on the software / hardware front
[12:54:35] <LetoThe2nd> "i have a vision and contracts, but no money, no product, no software, no developers and about nothing else too. will you please work for free and do my 'show'"
[12:54:48] <LetoThe2nd> did i word it correctly?
[12:54:51] <karki__> :')
[12:54:52] <av500> niles: again, I can offer to read your PDF at my usual contraction rates
[12:55:02] <av500> lol
[12:55:07] <av500> contracting
[12:55:19] <niles> @av500 - cos i need a fresher , not big shots required and i need a clean slate no fixed idea boxes ... don`t under estimate a public chat u have no idea what works out here :)
[12:55:28] <av500> a what?
[12:55:48] <LetoThe2nd> ah ok, so we even have no idea what works and what not.
[12:55:53] <LetoThe2nd> popcorn, anybody?
[12:55:57] <karki__> me
[12:56:06] <LetoThe2nd> karki__: how many metric tons?
[12:56:18] <uhhimhere> and all of this is beagle related?
[12:56:23] <karki__> as long as niles lasts :')
[12:56:26] <av500> uhhimhere: its ... complicated
[12:58:10] <karki__> LetoThe2nd : I have no cash to pay you, have no clue if I want pop corn, no idea how much I want. But somehow can you deliver it to me? :D
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[12:58:47] <uhhimhere> hey if you guys help me out with my stupid quest ill send a coupon to you or something
[12:59:10] <niles> ok guys thanks for your time .... may be just not my day ......and yes for all those who were asking about the money and especially lettothe2nd -- i have the $$$$$$....so next time guys understand nobody works for free and nobody should ....:)
[12:59:12] <niles> tc guys
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[12:59:28] <av500> niles: I can still read your PDF
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[12:59:32] <av500> if you want
[12:59:45] <av500> feel free to PM it to me
[12:59:55] <uhhimhere> here's a nice pdf :http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf
[13:00:03] <av500> +1
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[13:00:47] <uhhimhere> dual core GPU with quad core/slice(up to 16 "slices") GPU-coprocessor
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[13:02:21] <LetoThe2nd> niles: if you have the $$$$$$, contact canonical, mozilla, av500, tbr, or any ODM you desire. you don'T need us then :) go ahead :)
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[13:02:43] <LetoThe2nd> (and make sure its LOTS of $$$$$$)
[13:02:45] <av500> heh, why am I only third in the list?
[13:03:16] <LetoThe2nd> av500: you should have been 500th according to your nick, but i was to lazy to look up 497 chinese odms
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[13:04:57] <av500> good riddancer
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[13:04:58] <av500> good riddance
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[13:05:35] <karki__> hehehe
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[13:06:01] <karki__> I liked av1 for sometime there :D
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[13:12:47] <uhhimhere> how much would i have to pay someone to help me out?
[13:14:17] <av500> I can read your PDF :)
[13:14:33] <uhhimhere> which pdf
[13:14:42] <av500> ball is in your court :)
[13:14:45] <uhhimhere> so does that mean youd help out for free
[13:14:55] <av500> I know too little about DTS
[13:15:03] <uhhimhere> oh :(
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[13:21:40] <Parduz> ok, there's someone (other than LetoThe2ns :) ) that can explain me the --host, --target and --build options of "configure"? I can't find any help on the web
[13:22:11] <av500> http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Cross_002dCompilation.html
[13:22:18] <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=autotools+host+target+build
[13:22:30] <av500> https://autotools.io/autoconf/canonical.html
[13:22:51] <av500> there is even a book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BC2HTHM/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00BC2HTHM&linkCode=as2&tag=flamswebl-20&linkId=XZ7UZ65D74G4VPPN
[13:23:22] <Parduz> thanks, i'm reading the links
[13:24:28] <Parduz> ok, so seems that the --host is what i need to specify, at least.
[13:24:44] <Parduz> what's the "parameter" for BBB with Debian?
[13:26:56] <karki__> av500, niles still does not beat the guy who thought the IRC was a customer service center for the BBB :')
[13:27:38] <karki__> and he wrote a formal complaint to jkridner saying that the customer service was not upto par :D
[13:27:53] <av500> well, in a way I can understand that guy more
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[14:00:35] <vmayoral> hi! anyone with a bit of experience with dtbs? I'm trying to custom the am335x-boneblack.dts however i get an unexpected error when compiling it: "label or path, 'ocp', not found". "ocp" is defined in am33xx.dtsi which is included
[14:02:05] <vmayoral> has someone bumped into something similar? any ideas on how i can debug this?
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[14:54:55] <acidfoo> moo
[14:55:22] <acidfoo> is it "legal" to base a commercial product on the beagle bone black ? or it's only for development - thank you
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[14:57:30] <karki__> AFAIK, it's legal
[14:58:07] <karki__> you can build and sell a product that has the B bone in it :)
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[15:00:43] <thurgood_> it's an open design
[15:01:21] <thurgood_> mostly it's a matter of clearing fcc or whatever other regulations you might need to satisfy
[15:02:42] <thurgood_> we had bitch of a time with fccc compliance with the stuff based on beagle board classic designs
[15:03:57] <thurgood_> not sure if the bbb is better in that regard, the bbb is subject to less restriction as it is not technically an end user product
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[15:06:08] <thurgood_> there's also some trademark stuff like you cannot say it's a bbb
[15:06:26] <acidfoo> ok!
[15:06:29] <acidfoo> great
[15:07:59] <agmlego|skynet> Keep in mind though that if you use the module as a whole in your design, you are tied to CircuitCo's producstion schedule and sales volume.
[15:08:21] <agmlego|skynet> It may be better for your application to use the design files and make your own product.
[15:08:42] <thurgood_> more likely than not
[15:09:11] <thurgood_> especially if you're on a schedule, it's hard to get more than one at a time through most channels
[15:09:25] <thurgood_> or at least it was for a while
[15:09:33] <acidfoo> yeah I found another supplier
[15:09:37] <acidfoo> http://www.logicsupply.com/bb-black-c/
[15:09:46] <acidfoo> a little bit more expensive, but you can order a lot at a time
[15:10:59] <agmlego|skynet> Interesting. I thought the Element14 version was pulled completely off the market.
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[15:11:16] <agmlego|skynet> And that the Element14 version was not allowed to be called a BealgeBone Black by name.
[15:12:15] <thurgood_> I think they licensed the name
[15:12:25] <agmlego|skynet> Ah.
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[15:16:14] <thurgood_> the element14 boards disappeared for a while, but I'm not sure of the details
[15:16:28] <agmlego|skynet> Yeah, me netiher.
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[15:16:37] <thurgood_> probably just ran out of supply
[15:16:56] <agmlego|skynet> Could be. But usually that does not mean the entire product page disappears from the Internet.
[15:17:31] <thurgood_> depends how much backorders they were having to fill :P
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[15:17:37] <agmlego|skynet> Maybe.
[15:17:43] <agmlego|skynet> It was just strange is all.
[15:18:01] <thurgood_> it's just conjecture, as I said I don't know the details
[15:18:08] <agmlego|skynet> Yeah, agreed.
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[15:30:01] <adamwwolf_> Man, this is a mess.
[15:30:29] <adamwwolf_> I'm trying to get something to run on my BBB running wheezy.
[15:30:48] <adamwwolf_> I need it to be compiled as float-abi=soft, however
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[15:31:06] <adamwwolf_> so if I natively compile on wheezy, it uses armhf, which is float-abi=hard
[15:31:31] <adamwwolf_> if I try to install gcc:armel on wheezy, it almost works, however, gcc:armel was built to not use thumb, which I also need
[15:32:00] <adamwwolf_> so I try to cross compile, but this is a weird thing, and the makefiles already have a sysroot built into them, that they need
[15:32:07] <adamwwolf_> so I can't point it at *my* sysroot
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[15:32:38] <adamwwolf_> oh, and the gcc on wheezy by default appears to ignore -mfloat-abi=soft
[15:32:47] <agmlego|skynet> why does it need to be soft float?
[15:33:04] <adamwwolf_> it's a loader that loads a binary without source that is softfloat
[15:33:05] <thurgood_> you can't specify multiple library paths?
[15:33:25] <jkridner> gm all
[15:33:37] <jkridner> gm _av500_
[15:33:39] <jkridner> sorry I'm late
[15:33:44] <adamwwolf_> thurgood_: I tried, but I got different errors during the ./configure. I used to cross compile without sysroot all the time, but it appears I ahve lost my touch
[15:34:00] <adamwwolf_> I'll get my configure line and error from that test, one moment
[15:34:14] <jkridner> :(
[15:34:40] <agmlego|skynet> jkridner: hi!
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[15:34:48] <jkridner> howdy agmlego|skynet
[15:35:18] <adamwwolf_> hi jkridner
[15:35:50] <jkridner> hi adamwwolf_!
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[15:36:06] <jkridner> for those interested, we are having a GSoC chat some time in #beagle-gsoc
[15:36:30] <jkridner> adamwwolf_: why do you need softfloat on wheezy?!?
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[15:37:34] <adamwwolf_> jkridner: do you remember about a year ago when someone decompiled Starcraft and Brood War to C, then recompiled for gnueabi, and then got wine working enough so it played on openpandora?
[15:37:35] <jkridner> agmlego|skynet: about a year ago, we licensed them the name "BeagleBone Black", but they have to say "Element14 BeagleBone Black", not "BeagleBoard.org BeagleBone Black"
[15:37:57] <jkridner> agmlego|skynet: we've talked about changing that, but want to avoid any confusion on the manufacturer.
[15:38:13] <jkridner> adamwwolf_: I don't, but that's super cool!
[15:38:19] <adamwwolf_> jkridner: it's an amazing hack
[15:38:25] <adamwwolf_> 4 months of work by a really sharp dude
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[15:38:47] * jkridner wishes openpandora would have taken over the world
[15:39:10] <adamwwolf_> jkridner: I am about 4 days into getting SC and BW to work on the BBB
[15:39:12] <jkridner> (to the likes of the demoscene people)
[15:39:20] <jkridner> adamwwolf_: sweet!
[15:39:27] <adamwwolf_> but this is the weird sticking point right now
[15:39:45] <adamwwolf_> if I compile wine on the BBB, I can easily compile it as hardfloat
[15:39:59] <adamwwolf_> it appears that GCC on wheezy won't let me do mfloat-abi=soft
[15:40:17] <adamwwolf_> (also, starcraft and broodwar don't even really do floating point, this is just an ABI thing)
[15:40:32] <adamwwolf_> so I tried to cross compile wine, which is just crazy btw
[15:40:54] <adamwwolf_> you have to compile it once natively, leave your build artifacts around, and point the cross compiling ./configure at your native artifacts
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[15:41:22] <jkridner> adamwwolf_: but, if you are recompiling, why can't you leave the armhf thing? what is already compiled that you are linking against?
[15:41:47] <adamwwolf_> so I installed all the libraries and headers on my BBB, made a copy of the rootfs, used it as a sysroot, and got through ./configure just fine for wine on my PC
[15:41:47] <adamwwolf_> then once I started make, it complained it coudln't find any libraries that it found no problem during the ./configure
[15:42:21] <adamwwolf_> notaz, the guy who decompiled/recompiled starcraft for arm, links it against libwine.so
[15:42:31] <adamwwolf_> oh, this is hte other half of hte story I forgot
[15:42:43] <adamwwolf_> so he provides a compiled wine that *would* work fine, except he uses omapfp
[15:42:45] <adamwwolf_> omapfb
[15:42:50] <jkridner> ah, so if you could get a rebuild of libwine.so, you wouldn't have to change the ABI?
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[15:43:00] <adamwwolf_> so I was really bummed and almost dropped the project
[15:43:02] <jkridner> k. why not try running it on Angstrom?
[15:43:05] <adamwwolf_> however, I looked at what he used omapfb for
[15:43:11] <adamwwolf_> he just used omapfb for changing the screen resolution!
[15:43:53] <adamwwolf_> so I'm attacking this on a few fronts. he volunteered to try to build the starcraft executable with armhf
[15:44:11] <adamwwolf_> that would mean I just compile wine for armhf, which I have already done, and it should load fine
[15:46:15] <adamwwolf_> and it might be the only real reasonable option, however, it isn't something *I* can do, because only he has that source
[15:46:59] <adamwwolf_> it appears that any time I ask for a softfloat-producing gcc on wheezy people start to gag and slowly walk backwards with a forced smile :)
[15:47:55] <adamwwolf_> so let me back up a bit--before sysroot, we just cross compiled with a bunch of -I and -Ls, right?
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[15:51:05] <jkridner> too many books not to have some people read them!
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[15:51:44] <jkridner> adamwwolf_: that was my reaction. :-)
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[15:52:21] * agmlego|skynet still does not understand the value of printed media for this kind of thing.
[15:52:50] <adamwwolf_> jkridner: I once did a contract job where we ported some OS2 code to Android for a medical device manufacturer, and it took me multiple days of convincing before I thought there might even be merit to what they were doing :)
[15:53:07] <jkridner> adamwwolf_: I've been depending on build systems like Buildroot, Gentoo and Yocto/Angstrom for most of my cross-compiling beyond a simple single-C-file app.
[15:53:19] <adamwwolf_> yeah, that's the rub
[15:53:28] <adamwwolf_> I think 5 years ago I was better suited to solve this problem
[15:53:54] <adamwwolf_> when I'm cross compiling, I'm either in yocto or ndk-build these days
[15:55:09] <jkridner> adamwwolf_: having a dead tree to thumb through can be handy when trying to just build up some general knowledge
[15:55:23] <jkridner> er, agmlego|skynet: ^^^
[15:57:00] <adamwwolf_> harrumph.
[15:57:54] <adamwwolf_> when i try to take the --sysroot out of the cross compile on my ubuntu box, I get errors where arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc cannot find /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libc.so.6, which I believe is due ot the leading slash.
[15:58:05] <adamwwolf_> gunna take a break from this project today, maybe notaz will recompile it for hardfloat for me :)
[15:58:56] <agmlego|skynet> jkridner: I guess.
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[16:00:47] <Parduz> How could I know why gcc hangs when called by configure when --host=arm-linux-gnueabihf? tried with CFLAGS=-v but it doesn't produce any output
[16:01:01] <Parduz> Hi agmlego
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[16:02:09] <agmlego|skynet> Parduz: Hello.
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[16:09:59] <thurgood_> Parduz: does it give any sort of log?
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[16:17:37] <veremit> usually gcc will spew lots of output .. do you have -W (anything) set?
[16:17:58] <veremit> or -q or something?
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[16:21:36] <Parduz> i have the log from configure, but it does'nt include any ourput from the gcc.
[16:23:20] <Parduz> when configure launch gcc for testing, gcc hangs (with Windows telling that it ceased to work) then configure exit saying that the compiler cannot create executables
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[16:23:48] <Parduz> "This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way."
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[16:25:15] <Parduz> this is my command:
[16:25:16] <Parduz> $ ../configure -prefix=/c/SysGCC/wxWidgets/arm-wx -disable-shared -enable-debug CC=/c/SysGCC/BeagleDebian/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc --host=arm-linux-gnueabihf
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[16:38:48] <veremit> the clue is in the last statement .. because you are compiling for arm .. you won't be able to run the executable in windows
[16:39:11] <veremit> you need to find the option which forbids it from 'testing' the output from gcc I think :)
[16:39:48] <veremit> then the test-gcc will succeed, which will feed back to the configure phase.
[16:40:53] <veremit> if that is indeed what's going wrong.
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[16:56:57] <Parduz> sorry guys, connection gone down
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[16:57:38] <Parduz> would you like to re-write the replies to my last msgs?
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[17:20:49] <rcn-ee> yates, got it... make sure "CONFIG_USB_ETH_EEM" is disabled: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/boot-scripts/blob/master/boot/am335x_evm.sh#L92
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[17:34:42] <ocamlman> I am using the BB-BONE-PRU-01 which uses p9_27 -- the code TODO:\n QBBS TODO, r31, 5 does not loop infinitely as I expect, whether p9_27 is attached to 3.3v or gnd
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[19:03:22] <ocamlman> hey, can someone help me troubleshoot a PRU/GPIO issue?
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[19:05:50] <ambro718> Hey, is qemu faster than BBB for compiling?
[19:06:07] <Humpelst1lzchen> dep
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[19:06:10] <agmlego|skynet> ambro718: Is a chicken faster than a pickle?
[19:06:19] <Humpelst1lzchen> depends on your cpu but probably not
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[19:07:04] <Humpelst1lzchen> I use my tiny arm quad to compile big projects for the BBB
[19:07:49] <ambro718> though with emulation I could parallelize it considerably
[19:08:13] <ambro718> have multiple VMs building different packages
[19:08:35] <rcn-ee> except, qemu doesn't parallelize very well.. so you need one qemu instance pre core. ;)
[19:09:20] <ambro718> yes that's what I meant. I'm trying to get NixOS running on BBB and Nix supports this pretty well.
[19:09:32] <ambro718> distributed builds that is
[19:10:24] <rcn-ee> start with qemu now, but either pick up a wand-quad + sata or any quad core/sata arm configuration.. then switch over when it arrives. ;) it's just faster...
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[19:11:15] <ambro718> Another question, is it possible to interact with the bootloader at boot time via serial port and specify what to boot (kernel,initrd)?
[19:11:29] <ambro718> Further is it possible to make a boot menu?
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[19:12:03] <luciano_> Hi , i need help , i have this capes http://cdn.logicsupply.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/bd5fa33d207734c88c51f8ebb17de6c4/b/b/bbb-exp-c-chipsee-7inch-touchscreen.jpg, and i want run a qt application , but the touchscreen doesn't work , because need set variable qws_mouse_proto, , can anyone help me?
[19:12:18] <rcn-ee> some of that is possible now... later bb.org images, use a variable in uEnv.txt (uname_r=) to specify which kernel..
[19:12:46] <rcn-ee> but we dont' have a "u-boot-grub" bootsplash yet..
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[19:13:57] <ambro718> rcn-ee: when you say specify which kernel, you mean one can predefine boot targets (not just kernel also initrd and parameters)?
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[19:14:44] <rcn-ee> ambro718, http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:U-boot_partitioning_layout_2.0#uEnv.txt_Rootfs_Partition_.2Fboot.2FuEnv.txt
[19:15:21] <smurray> ocamlman: what issue are you seeing?
[19:15:29] <ocamlman> I am using the BB-BONE-PRU-01 which uses p9_27 -- the code TODO:\n QBBS TODO, r31, 5 does not loop infinitely as I expect, whether p9_27 is attached to 3.3v or gnd
[19:16:00] <ocamlman> smurray, perhaps "uses" is better said "claims exclusive use of in the DTO"
[19:17:36] <smurray> ocamlman: just a min, will have to poke around to refresh my memory
[19:17:47] <ambro718> rcn-ee: where do I define the boot configurations?
[19:17:52] <ocamlman> smurray, thanks! lemme know if i can provide any more information too
[19:18:36] <luciano_> anyone have this cape ? http://cdn.logicsupply.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/bd5fa33d207734c88c51f8ebb17de6c4/b/b/bbb-exp-c-chipsee-7inch-touchscreen.jpg ??
[19:19:35] <jkridner> calculus: hey, I'll be at SCaLE finally!
[19:19:59] <jkridner> luciano_: I've seen it. heard it works pretty well. Saw it at Maker Shed
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[19:21:09] <luciano_> jkridner, i have problem with angstrom and qt
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[19:22:25] <luciano_> jkridner, the variable qws_mouse_proto, don't work, you work with qt?
[19:23:50] <ambro718> I took a look at the uEnv for ArchLinux and I'm confused, where is the kernel?
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[19:24:07] <agmlego|skynet> There is no kernel.
[19:24:12] <agmlego|skynet> The kernel is a myth.
[19:24:19] <agmlego|skynet> Long live the kernel.'
[19:24:42] <ambro718> I copied 3 files to the boot partition, MLO u-boot.imd uEnv.txt
[19:25:28] <smurray> ocamlman: have you changed BB-BONE-PRU-01-00A0.dts? the pin is configured as output in the version I'm looking at
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[19:26:12] <ocamlman> smurray, ah, I have not. That would be an easy fix
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[19:27:31] <jkridner> luciano_: not really, I've been all Debian for a while. Been helping a couple of people with Qt issues there, but nothing very complex.
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[19:31:31] <ocamlman> smurray, I don't see a pre-made dts for p9-27 as an input - do you know of such a thing?
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[19:32:28] <smurray> no, but it shouldn't be too bad to edit it and recompile it with dtc
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[19:33:30] <smurray> you want to change the line in the pinctrl part from "0x1a4 0x25" to "0x1a4 0x26", I think
[19:34:20] <smurray> it might be "0x1a4 0x06", I'm at work and don't have access to all the docs atm
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[19:39:48] <ocamlman> smurray, i'll give it a shot. thanks a bunch!
[19:40:29] <smurray> np
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