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  • [05:23:42] <siva> hi
  • [05:23:58] <siva> this is siva
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  • [05:24:35] <siva> i have beagle board xm with assy rev B
  • [05:25:01] <siva> where can i get u-boot source code for this
  • [05:26:02] <siva> anybody thr
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  • [06:07:55] <bunty> guys actually i am a device driver developer actually before i developed driver on arm9 board
  • [06:08:24] <bunty> but in bbb the internal register are not given \
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  • [06:09:10] <bunty> can anyone help me about all those internal special register related to all the pheripherals and also their base address
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  • [06:56:45] <dgriffi> does anyone here know anything useful about the C-Media USB audio dongle?
  • [06:57:05] <dgriffi> aka this: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31%2Bqp6eVmEL.jpg
  • [06:57:47] <ds2> looks just like the generic one I have
  • [07:00:22] <dgriffi> have you been able to get it to work without static?
  • [07:00:25] <dgriffi> or at all?
  • [07:00:48] <ds2> it has been a long time but yeah, it works fine. HOWEVER, I only used it for playback. didn't try recording
  • [07:01:59] <tbr> some usb sound cards are horrible
  • [07:02:20] <dgriffi> I got this for tinkering with IRLP on a Pi or BBB
  • [07:04:03] <dgriffi> because it was recommended by the guys at irlp.net
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  • [07:04:59] <ds2> is the static during playback or record?
  • [07:05:41] <dgriffi> idle
  • [07:05:50] <ds2> idle in which direction?
  • [07:06:06] <dgriffi> I just plug the thing in and connect a speaker. static
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  • [07:06:19] <dgriffi> go into alsamixer and unmute its mic. lots more static
  • [07:06:20] <ds2> so playback
  • [07:06:33] <ds2> is it a hiss or a lot of random clicks?
  • [07:08:55] <dgriffi> trying to get aplay to play out the USB dongle...
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  • [07:09:56] <ds2> run aplay then run dmesg
  • [07:10:04] <ds2> see if there are any errors
  • [07:10:07] <ds2> esp. usb errors
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  • [07:10:51] <dgriffi> nope. no errors
  • [07:11:24] <dgriffi> how, exactly, should I be calling aplay to use the USB device?
  • [07:13:27] <dgriffi> okay.. got it
  • [07:14:11] <dgriffi> distorted
  • [07:15:21] <dgriffi> now I just want to get the mic working. any ideas?
  • [07:19:03] <dgriffi> anyone?
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  • [07:31:32] <dgriffi> anyone awake?
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  • [09:09:35] <chandy> any body online
  • [09:10:20] <chandy> I ave some issues in beaglebone
  • [09:10:25] <chandy> need help
  • [09:13:45] <julemand101> chandy: what is you problem?
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  • [09:17:35] <chandy> well
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  • [09:18:04] <chandy> I installed ar drone autonomy using catkin make
  • [09:18:27] <julemand101> sorry, I don't know anyhing about that
  • [09:19:21] <chandy> ok
  • [09:19:29] <chandy> any body know ROS
  • [09:20:23] <tbr> have you tried asking on #ros yet?
  • [09:20:49] <chandy> well tried
  • [09:20:54] <chandy> but no response
  • [09:22:21] <tbr> if, then they know
  • [09:22:40] <tbr> and as to "no response" I'd recommend reading:
  • [09:22:41] <tbr> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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  • [09:24:04] <tbr> basically: wait, IRC doesn't need to be instant it can take hours (or days) for an answer
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  • [09:25:01] <chandy> thank u
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  • [13:21:27] <Tenkawa> greetings all
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  • [14:27:32] <nicks1> hi! I want to contribute in this org and i am comfortable in working in python. Can you suggest me something to start with or any bugs which i could try fixing. :)
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  • [17:59:05] <karki_> jkridner : hi
  • [17:59:08] <jkridner> hi karki_
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  • [17:59:24] <jkridner> I prefer chatting here than #beagle-gsoc due to critical mass and logging.
  • [17:59:35] <karki_> I understand!
  • [17:59:43] <karki_> so, yeah, PRU
  • [18:00:57] <karki_> ok, so as of now no one is working on ADC, PWM etc
  • [18:01:09] <jkridner> anyway, if speaking at FOSS-Asia, hitting on why Linux makes physical computing easy (and portable) is helpful IMO, then moving on to why BeagleBone Black hardware makes physical computing really easy (built-in ADCs, PRUs, lots of GPIO/SPI/I2C/UART/CAN/etc.), bonus out with lots of board availability at a reasonable price and tons of software supporting it.
  • [18:01:25] <karki_> yeah :)
  • [18:01:32] <jkridner> yeah, I don't know of anyone really working on adding ADC/PWM/GPIO to PRU Speak. :(
  • [18:01:56] <karki_> I should get started then!
  • [18:01:58] <jkridner> The JBU team is using PRU Speak and improving it, but have been intimidated from doing much on the PRU.
  • [18:02:33] <jkridner> just pulling in the StarterWare library to do the I/O should make things pretty easy....
  • [18:02:58] <karki_> I was just about to bring that up
  • [18:03:00] <karki_> :)
  • [18:03:09] <jkridner> harder architecture part is thinking about resource allocation.... I think instructions in the interpreter (which is interpreted initially on the ARM) could be used for resource allocation.
  • [18:03:23] <jkridner> then there is the pin assignment stuff....
  • [18:04:04] <jkridner> I'm wanting to make one master list of pin numbers for BotSpeak, but likely use different pins on ARM-side BotSpeak than PRU-side BotSpeak.
  • [18:04:16] <karki_> also one of the problems me and panto came across was reassigning the pins during runtime (after the DTO has been loaded)
  • [18:04:20] <jkridner> the Tufts folks have been continuing to build examples on BotSpeak, including programming it with Blockly.
  • [18:04:35] <jkridner> (That's in addition to their Labview integration)
  • [18:05:08] <jkridner> karki_: yeah, need to make a generic DTO that uses some kind of run-time helper, like the GPIO helper.
  • [18:05:18] <jkridner> and the pinmux helper.
  • [18:05:35] <karki_> yeah, it adds to the already long todo list
  • [18:05:36] <jkridner> cape-universal-io has the right idea.
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  • [18:05:47] <karki_> I have to look into it
  • [18:05:49] <jkridner> yeah, it isn't a single day task. :-)
  • [18:06:14] <karki_> It's frustrating, all my free time is taken up by Project Zygote as of now!
  • [18:06:16] <jkridner> I struggle to explain to anyone kinda new how you'd even get started on the task. :(
  • [18:07:13] <karki_> jkridner : I understand, quite a few people have emailed me regarding the internals of pru-speak, they give up after 5-6 email exchanges :(
  • [18:07:19] <jkridner> vvu pinged me about getting started with GSoC....
  • [18:07:32] <jkridner> perhaps a good start would be to write-up the details of this on our Ideas page...
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  • [18:07:41] <jkridner> removing all the old ideas.
  • [18:07:53] <karki_> yeah, I think this time we need to plan better with the PRU ideas
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  • [18:08:18] <karki_> I suggest creating a getting started material kit for people new to PRU
  • [18:08:24] <jkridner> we needed some basic experience last year and things moved ahead quite a bit.
  • [18:08:25] <karki_> that should help
  • [18:08:37] <jkridner> now, installing the compiler is a single apt-get line on the Bone! :-D
  • [18:08:41] <karki_> :D
  • [18:10:46] <karki_> jkridner : 'getting started material' should have everything from about getting the compiler, running the hello world prog, and understanding how the current kernel drivers work.
  • [18:11:08] <veremit> karki_ Amen
  • [18:11:15] <karki_> and a list of all available PRU resources which are scattered all across the internet
  • [18:11:33] <karki_> I have collected about 2 dozen resources myself
  • [18:11:56] <karki_> from tutorials to experiments to technical docs on the PRU
  • [18:12:28] <veremit> really need to centralise resources for the BBB .. there's no Go-to place which is kept up-to-date
  • [18:12:48] <veremit> where people can post/upload/discuss their successes/failures
  • [18:13:10] <veremit> can't be -that- hard :)
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  • [18:14:19] <karki_> veremit : It's much worse for the PRU ;) getting started with the BBB and finding general info is 10x easier!
  • [18:14:55] <veremit> I'd love to know more about the PRU .. had no idea it existed until I came here
  • [18:15:00] <veremit> and I still barely know what its capable of
  • [18:15:11] <veremit> apart from some crazy LED driving structures
  • [18:16:34] <karki_> yeah, that is mranostay 's work :)
  • [18:16:48] <karki_> doesn't look like he's online though
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  • [18:20:53] <jkridner> veremit: beagleboard.org is meant to refer to elinux for the definitive source of information.
  • [18:21:10] <jkridner> elinux.org is where people should be documenting their stuff.
  • [18:21:29] <jkridner> and pushing for including into bb.org sources, including http://beagleboard.github.io/bone101
  • [18:21:42] <jkridner> which is meant to eventually merge into bb.org.
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  • [18:22:28] <veremit> jkridner .. that may be so, but its still a little lacking :)
  • [18:23:12] <jkridner> specific suggestions?
  • [18:23:29] <jkridner> http://beagleboard.org/discuss not a good place to discuss?
  • [18:23:40] <veremit> can't point to specifics .. but I frequently see messages about xyz is out-of-date on bb.org :/
  • [18:24:05] <veremit> brb sec .. weird noises
  • [18:24:06] <karki_> jkridner : last GSoC, most students spent a lot of time learning about PRU and getting through the driver code.
  • [18:24:36] <karki_> I think the background work should be done *before* the start of GSoC
  • [18:24:39] <jkridner> veremit: well, if something needs fixing on bb.org, I'm the guy.
  • [18:25:23] <jkridner> karki_: indeed. we need a good test case for "can you program the PRU".... is it reasonable to expect people to get their own boards so they can do the pre-work?
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  • [18:26:02] <ocamlman> I'm doing something wrong in the process of using a dto to map a pin to the PRU and then check to see if that input is high. Here is the code and the steps I used: http://pastebin.com/PeSs6wKb
  • [18:26:55] <karki_> jkridner : yes, I think it's fair (just the PRU projects); it's not feasible if students start experimenting just before coding period.
  • [18:28:22] <jkridner> ocamlman: what does 'dmesg' say when you load and is everything showing up in 'slots'?
  • [18:28:59] <karki_> jkridner : anyway from our side I think there should be a PRU101 document covering what, why, how and when of the PRU. Followed by a PRU102 talking about more serious dev on PRU
  • [18:29:27] <karki_> (when => when to use the PRU)
  • [18:29:29] <jkridner> karki_: help updating http://beagleboard.org/pru is welcome!
  • [18:29:39] <jkridner> and the eLinux pages it points to.
  • [18:29:48] <karki_> I will try my best :)
  • [18:30:17] <jkridner> if you explain to others, record it and post a video... that might help narrow down what needs to be documented.
  • [18:31:03] <karki_> yeah, I will do that.
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  • [18:32:25] <jkridner> ocamlman: personally, I would combine the two overlays into a single overlay. source for the first overlay is in http://github.com/beagleboard/linux/tree/3.8/firmware/capes
  • [18:33:09] <jkridner> with the first overlay, it seems you have most of what you need.
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  • [18:33:31] <jkridner> might need something like https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/blob/3.8/firmware/capes/BB-BONE-PRU-01-00A0.dts#L23
  • [18:33:57] <karki_> jkridner : I was thinking about a generic read write interface to the PRU. something like a "pru-serial", where a sysfs entry is used to write/read from the pru, applications can use that to communicate with the pru firmware. On the firmware side there can be a read_from_linux(); write_to_linux().
  • [18:34:20] <ocamlman> jkridner, i'll give that a shot
  • [18:34:28] <karki_> *ignore the 'serial' part
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  • [18:35:07] <jkridner> the right interface to PRU Speak should look like a socket on the ARM.
  • [18:35:31] <karki_> jkridner : yeah
  • [18:35:37] <karki_> I'm just giving the idea
  • [18:35:42] <karki_> that there needs to be
  • [18:35:48] <jkridner> there is need for doing shared-memory interfaces, but I agree something that looks like serial on both sides makes sense.
  • [18:35:57] <jkridner> as in, would be useful.
  • [18:36:02] <karki_> a generic way to communicate
  • [18:36:21] <karki_> even pru-speak could use something like that
  • [18:36:31] * jkridner really wants a PRU Speak implementation of Firmata with all the fun physical I/O stuff.
  • [18:36:43] <jkridner> lots of newbs start with Firmata on Arduinos.
  • [18:37:13] <karki_> like with gui and stuff?
  • [18:37:17] <jkridner> of course, the performance still needs to be boosted too, but doesn't have to be crazy good to be really, really useful.
  • [18:37:28] <jkridner> karki_: yeah, like node-red.
  • [18:37:33] <karki_> ah
  • [18:37:41] <karki_> I have to try that out
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  • [18:37:49] <jkridner> http://nodebots.io/
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  • [18:38:09] <veremit> ok no fires
  • [18:38:34] <veremit> jkridner .. I'll make a note of anything I see and .. err .. post it somewhere.
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  • [18:38:58] <jkridner> I can look at bug reports on the github repo for the website.
  • [18:39:01] <veremit> how's the new am35xx boards comin along? itchin to play with on.
  • [18:39:07] <jkridner> http://github.com/beagleboard/beagleboard-org
  • [18:39:14] <karki_> but yeah, what I'm saying is that we need to have a existing communications bridge b/w pru and linux. So no one has to re-do stuff with shared memory etc.
  • [18:39:16] <veremit> ah that sounds like a plan
  • [18:39:29] <karki_> Think of it like the serial interface to the arduino!
  • [18:39:35] <karki_> but to the pru here
  • [18:39:46] <karki_> pru.write('data')
  • [18:39:52] <karki_> pru.read('data')
  • [18:40:01] <karki_> pru.read()
  • [18:40:03] <karki_> my bad
  • [18:40:27] <veremit> thats synchronous, though karki_ .. surely thats not always desireable
  • [18:40:50] <veremit> the beauty of the pru is its quick and dedicated hardware
  • [18:41:01] <veremit> you don't want it hanging for userspace access
  • [18:41:08] <veremit> or .. whichever: p
  • [18:41:20] <karki_> um, no, that won't happen
  • [18:41:26] <jkridner> veremit: ultimate goal is to move beagleboard.org to a static jekyll-style page with multilanguage support.
  • [18:41:48] <karki_> I don't see why the PRU performance would be affected
  • [18:42:05] <karki_> it's just a communications bridge
  • [18:42:17] <veremit> mm I think I know what you're intending :)
  • [18:42:49] <veremit> as long as both ends are non-blocking ;) heh
  • [18:43:02] <jkridner> in JS, the reads would be something like var p = pru.open(); p.on('data', processData);
  • [18:43:02] <veremit> jkridner .. and move all dynamic content to elinux?
  • [18:43:14] <veremit> jkridner .. exactly like that
  • [18:43:36] <karki_> veremit : yeah, it will be non blocking :)
  • [18:44:12] <jkridner> karki_: anyway, check out johnny-five and node-red to see how JS people use Arduinos.
  • [18:44:19] <veremit> I'm still a sequential programmer at heart .. I will one day get my head around event-driven OOP properly. Just wish I had the time.
  • [18:45:20] <jkridner> veremit: yes, dynamic content on elinux, but I need more contributors to bb.org as well to make sure the base getting-started info and FAQs are covered there before diving into on-going and less-common stuff documented on elinux.org.
  • [18:45:47] <jkridner> like, someone broke my example on backing up the eMMC I have up on eLinux.
  • [18:46:03] <jkridner> they were addressing an issue, but ended up breaking the normative case.
  • [18:46:23] <jkridner> that's why some content needs to be prmomoted up to bb.org.
  • [18:46:25] <veremit> well I know someone who lurks here good at all the kernel / emmc / sd stuf .. probably met him .. goes by rcn .. ;P
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  • [18:46:59] <jkridner> lol
  • [18:47:14] <veremit> .. has a good website of his own .. lol
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  • [18:47:27] <jkridner> he has a great eMMC backup script that ships on the boards that is the far easier way to go.... but it doesn't work on all eMMC images... only ones that include his script.
  • [18:47:41] <veremit> yeah he's got a lot scripted
  • [18:47:45] <karki_> jkridner : Time for me to snooze, I'll talk to you soon :)
  • [18:47:56] <jkridner> well, he's definitely the expert, but he needs people around him to document using all those scripts!
  • [18:48:03] <jkridner> night karki_!
  • [18:48:11] <veremit> more beagle minions!!!
  • [18:48:12] <karki_> :)
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  • [19:46:38] <sailo> hi all.
  • [19:47:28] <sailo> question... Im looking at buyingg a beaglebone black and im seeing a restricted and an unrestricted version. the unrestricted versionsays "no logo or silkscreen"... are there restrictions on commercial use of beaglebone?
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  • [19:57:26] <veremit> well if you stick around .. we might answer ..
  • [19:59:15] <Leschveux> I search something to do with my beaglebone... a synth? haha
  • [20:02:34] <agmlego|skynet> Leschveux: The best gorramed Pinewood Derby track controller ever created.
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  • [20:07:14] <agmlego|skynet> Leschveux: YOu do have an Internet connection though. ;-P
  • [20:07:31] <Leschveux> haha yes
  • [20:07:50] <Leschveux> i guess i have... if i'm here haha
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  • [22:49:56] <Majmun> sorry i just need to see yt Please https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_ChWx1zn0 Thanks!
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  • [23:07:46] <IRostom> hi guys i got a problem with my newly purchased BBB
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