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  • [00:00:30] * Set by jkridner!~jkridner@pdpc/supporter/active/jkridner on Wed Oct 22 00:02:16 UTC 2014
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  • [00:00:44] <vvu> we control inside every mac address for our boards.
  • [00:01:12] <yates> vvu: couldn't you write a script that pulls it out of eprom and writes it into /etc/network/interrfaces at an early boot state?
  • [00:01:31] <yates> vvu: yes, but what about other devices on your network? printers, pcs, etc?
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  • [00:02:27] <vvu> i think the company has a mac address space unique.
  • [00:02:34] <yates> ah.
  • [00:03:02] <vvu> as i know on the old beaglebone the mac address was 1st read from the am335x regs or something like that. if that mac address was valid it was applied otherwise it would try to read it from the eeprom.
  • [00:03:07] <vvu> found some old blog post about this
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  • [00:03:13] <vvu> but for the bbb no sign of this
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  • [00:03:45] <yates> ddrown: how do i insert a kernel module - looks like you're absolutely right - g_multi is not present (using lsmod). i've tried modprobe with and without full pathname and i get "...g_ulti.ko
  • [00:03:56] <yates> ... g_multi.ko not found"
  • [00:04:58] <vvu> is it compiled as a module 1st of all ?
  • [00:05:38] <yates> i thought everything under /lib/modules were kernel modules. no?
  • [00:06:11] <yates> /lib/modules/3.8.13-bone64/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_multi.ko
  • [00:06:30] <yates> i just tried with insmod and get "Invalid parameters"
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  • [00:11:11] <vvu> yates: found this https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/J-5mDkI8p0Q
  • [00:11:20] <vvu> the values in the am335x regs are read only
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  • [00:26:41] <yates> any idea how kernel modules get loaded at boot time?
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  • [01:14:19] <Tenkawa> hi all
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  • [01:14:53] <Tenkawa> whats new?
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  • [04:14:13] <yates> my bbb/debian system does NOT have the g_multi kernel module loaded and i don't know why.
  • [04:14:45] <yates> does that kernel module always get loaded or is it conditionally loaded?
  • [04:15:34] <yates> in other words, shouldn't i be able to plug in my usb at any time (e.g., even when i'm already powered up by an external, non-usb power source) and get an NDI network interface?
  • [04:15:46] <yates> NDIS
  • [04:17:11] <yates> debian 7.6/wheezy
  • [04:17:33] <yates> (the console version, if that makes a difference)
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  • [09:02:39] <Andy1978> Someone here with a Aptina MT9P031 camera on BeagleBoard xM?
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  • [09:27:23] <Need> Hi i need to install the Angstrom latest os in the BBB flash memory(2GB).Angstrom Distribution (BeagleBone Black - 2GB eMMC) 2013-09-04
  • [09:27:59] <Need> But after extracted the image file it shows 4GB
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  • [10:49:28] <Kos-teK> Hello all !
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  • [12:31:08] <Laurenceb> hi
  • [12:31:24] <Laurenceb> whats the maximum timer frequency clock on si335x?
  • [12:31:30] <Laurenceb> 200Mhz?
  • [12:31:43] <Laurenceb> erm is it SYSCLK?
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  • [13:08:36] <KotH> Laurenceb: check the TRM
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  • [13:15:13] <RobsonSilva> Hello, I need you guys help. My black BeagleBoard not inivia HDMI video however I can access via ssh with ethernet and usb ... any suggestions ?? I've tried site procedures and unsuccessful. Any chance of this board be defective in HDMI output ???
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  • [13:17:01] <hitlin37> RobsonSilva: you can see if HDMI is connected or not by xrandr
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  • [15:15:56] <IronAttorney> Hi, I've been developing a digital synth with Arduino, but I'm rapidly running out of processing power before getting to any of the fun stuff I want to do. So I want to upgrade to a microprocessor with way more power. The beagleboard black has obviously caught my eye but I have a few questions...
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  • [15:17:39] <IronAttorney> Does it have to be programmed from within itself?
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  • [15:18:44] <jacekowski> no
  • [15:18:53] <jacekowski> you can program it any way you want
  • [15:19:04] <jacekowski> it's easiest to have full toolchain on it on linux
  • [15:19:20] <jacekowski> it simplifies whole develop->compile->test cycle
  • [15:19:27] <jacekowski> you avoid a lot of copying
  • [15:19:55] <IronAttorney> Does it have to have Linux on it? And does having Linux running slow it down?
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  • [15:22:57] <LetoThe2nd> IronAttorney: technically it doesn't have to run linux, in practise you basically have to because rewriting all the system stuff is moot and pretty complex
  • [15:24:01] <IronAttorney> e: I've not been programming long, done some C (for Arduino)
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  • [15:24:25] <dmelani> then you probably have some learning to do
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  • [15:24:47] <dmelani> especially if you are trying to do realtime stuff
  • [15:25:05] <IronAttorney> a little C++, a bit of ruby, and small amounts of other formats, will it be easy to learn?
  • [15:25:24] <LetoThe2nd> for "slowing it down" - well, of course every part of software that is acutally executed eats up some processor cycles. the question would be more meaningful in the way "can i archieve X with it"
  • [15:25:49] <IronAttorney> a good point
  • [15:25:52] <LetoThe2nd> and the better X is defined, the more meaningful the answers will be
  • [15:26:31] <IronAttorney> I pressure it doesn't cut too drastically into the 1Ghz though?
  • [15:26:50] <LetoThe2nd> "depends"
  • [15:27:13] <LetoThe2nd> and notice: whenever a question is particularly bad, the answer will probably be "depends"
  • [15:27:13] <dmelani> the cpu itself is probably not a reason for concern
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  • [15:27:54] <dmelani> it has a bunch of other bottlenecks though
  • [15:28:32] <IronAttorney> Alright. so last 2 questions, is there anything about the board that could limit a high power audio synth/DSP project?
  • [15:28:44] <dmelani> define high power
  • [15:29:07] <LetoThe2nd> define synth
  • [15:29:11] <LetoThe2nd> define DSP
  • [15:29:19] <dmelani> and first you have to solve audio output
  • [15:29:43] <dmelani> but for doing an fft or two, it's surely powerful enough
  • [15:29:58] <dmelani> maybe not if you want to do floating point fft though
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  • [15:32:09] <dmelani> IronAttorney: how will you do audio output?
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  • [15:35:08] <IronAttorney> sAssuming no floating point, I'd want it to have at least 3 oscillators, each of which is entirely different and each has to crunch some numbers before each sample is mixed and output, it would need to have a whole heap of encoders to keep track of which alter various parameters in real time, I would want oscillators to FM each other, I would like both a direct audio output and the ability to send the audio data digitally to an
  • [15:35:38] <IronAttorney> accept modulations from other boards
  • [15:36:02] <IronAttorney> as well as process midi note data of course
  • [15:37:08] <dmelani> i think it has hw floating point, but i'd stick with integers and q number formats if performance was an issue
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  • [15:38:01] <LetoThe2nd> IronAttorney: apart from the hardware topics: evaluate how many cycles you need for one iteration, define how many iterations you need per second, then do a rough estimate if this does not exceed maybe 500Mhz.
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  • [15:38:34] <dmelani> might want to do parts of those things in asm too
  • [15:38:38] <LetoThe2nd> then you should get an idea if you are in the range
  • [15:38:40] <dmelani> sounds like a really fun project :)
  • [15:39:10] <dmelani> more fun than doing i2c in go on that thing anyway...
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  • [15:41:20] <LetoThe2nd> IronAttorney: but all this is in no way BBB specific. you can always go ahead and develop on some linux box, and when you have the software done evaluate if there is some hardware available to run it on.
  • [15:41:58] <IronAttorney> OHas been so far :D but I'm a long way off the skill level to pull it off. So my last question, do you think with a basic knowledge of arduino and a few programming formats, would I be able to slowly but surely get a grip on the beagleboatd? r .
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  • [15:42:38] <LetoThe2nd> IronAttorney: if you can get a grip on programming for linux on your desktop, then yes.
  • [15:43:16] <LetoThe2nd> IronAttorney: the BBB is way more comparable in terms of programming to whatever pc-style hardware you know, than to an arduino or any other uC stuff
  • [15:43:36] <LetoThe2nd> read that as "the BBB is not an arduino on steroids"
  • [15:44:14] <IronAttorney> cool, so you think I should try that first? Not a bad idea!
  • [15:44:53] <LetoThe2nd> definitely learn to program on an os (in this case probably linux) first. no need to spend money on HW
  • [15:45:02] <niro> test
  • [15:45:27] <LetoThe2nd> niro: failed! horribly, terribly FAILED!!!
  • [15:45:31] <niro> Lol
  • [15:45:33] <IronAttorney> Cool, well thank you very much for your patients and assistance! I think I've got all the info I need
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  • [15:47:09] <blackline> Hello, is there an option to add a second ethernet port
  • [15:47:49] <IronAttorney> oh one more q actually, as you program it from Linux, I pressure there's a variety of programming platforms you can use, any that work particularly well or you would recommend?
  • [15:48:13] <LetoThe2nd> IronAttorney: define "programming platform"
  • [15:48:22] <LetoThe2nd> blackline: not "easily"
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  • [15:49:42] <IronAttorney> Err, maybe that's the wrong word. I watched a video where someone programmed it with python, is that standard or can you use anything?
  • [15:49:46] <LetoThe2nd> blackline: you can check out phytecs wega board for example, which cames with two ports. and i'm sure there are others too that i just don't know
  • [15:50:50] <LetoThe2nd> IronAttorney: "any part of software that gets executed eats up cycles"... feel free to interpret that for a high-level interpreted language and compare to a rather low-level, compiled language
  • [15:51:42] <dmelani> IronAttorney: if you're going to do dsp and similar, stick with c or c++
  • [15:52:18] <IronAttorney> OK cool, thank you all for your help!
  • [15:52:31] <IronAttorney> catch you later
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  • [16:11:07] <abferm> Hey guys, I was wondering which emmc the SD card uses and if the pins are available on the expansion headers. I am trying to design a flashing cape that would manipulate the boot pins with some pull-up resistors and provide the flasher boot image without having to put an SD card in the slot on the BBB.
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  • [16:21:21] <amelie> hi all
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  • [16:23:36] <hitlin37> that happiness was short lived for 5 sec.
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  • [18:16:18] <Talorno> hi all!
  • [18:17:50] <Talorno> i'm trying to develop an Artnet to DMX system using a BBB [formerly an ETHERNET to RS-485 system], but i'm having timing issues using an already well-known- working software. So the only thing i can think about it's about BBB UART speeds or something similar. I found other guys having problem setting UARTs to 250000. How can i?
  • [18:18:55] <thurgood_> setty?
  • [18:19:55] <Talorno> the software should set them good but i have that problems. Is there any known speed problem with BBB UARTs over 115k? and is there any known solution?
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  • [18:22:17] <thurgood_> I think with the higher speeds you may need flow control
  • [18:23:09] <Talorno> DMX has no flow control
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  • [19:15:14] <abferm> If anyone else is interested in using the TI Pin Mux Tool, check out the repository I just created. https://github.com/abferm/BeagleBone-Black-TIPinMux/
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  • [19:23:50] <ddrown> abferm: cool, thanks
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  • [19:27:27] <Talorno> is there any known problem setting/using BBB UARTs @ 250k?
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  • [21:11:23] <cityLights> I seek help with using the init-eMMC-flasher-v3.sh
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  • [21:11:51] <cityLights> I booted fine from rcn-ee deaib image and fail to install it to the eMMC
  • [21:12:15] <cityLights> last lines are:
  • [21:12:18] <cityLights> --flushbufs flush buffers
  • [21:12:18] <cityLights> --rereadpt reread partition table
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  • [21:32:35] <pennysai> Anyone alive?
  • [21:33:08] <thurgood_> nope
  • [21:33:21] <woglinde> noway
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  • [21:34:25] <djlewis> not on your life
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  • [21:43:27] <yates> anyone know where i can get bone-debian-7.6-console-armhf-2014-09-04-2gb.img
  • [21:43:42] <yates> i downloaded it a few weeks ago and can't find it again now.
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  • [21:47:20] <yates> the closest i can find is https://rcn-ee.net/deb/microsd/wheezy/bone-debian-7.6-console-armhf-2014-08-13-2gb.img.xz
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  • [21:52:21] <yates> or more generally here: https://rcn-ee.net/deb/microsd/wheezy/
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  • [22:02:12] <yates> can anyone a sdcard reader that works under linux? i'm using a Kodak R130 but it seems to be VERY slow (40 minutes to program 1.8 GB)
  • [22:02:19] <yates> anyone recommend
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  • [22:06:22] <yates> nm about bone-debian-7.6-console-armhf-2014-09-04-2gb.img. i'm going with 7.7
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  • [22:14:02] <yates> ?
  • [22:14:17] <yates> ddrown: any suggestions on sdcard?
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  • [22:14:57] <ddrown> yates: the only thing I ran into was my sdcard only worked when it was powered by the DC jack and not the USB device port
  • [22:15:10] <yates> ewe.
  • [22:15:23] <ddrown> I actually wrote the image with the BBB itself
  • [22:15:28] <yates> there's no such option with this Kodak.
  • [22:15:30] <ddrown> I wouldn't recommend that
  • [22:15:58] <ddrown> oh, you're talking about an adapter on a different machine
  • [22:16:11] <yates> yes
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  • [22:16:41] <yates> sdcard -> sdcard reader -> linux desktop pc
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  • [22:16:55] <ddrown> how slow is slow? 1MB/s? less?
  • [22:17:08] <yates> 1.8 MB/s
  • [22:17:58] <yates> no, that's what it reported! it was actually about 0.6 MB/s
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  • [22:18:48] <ddrown> # dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=4k count=10000 conv=fdatasync
  • [22:18:48] <ddrown> 40960000 bytes (41 MB) copied, 10.3938 s, 3.9 MB/s
  • [22:18:52] <ddrown> on the BBB itself
  • [22:19:17] <yates> impressive
  • [22:19:29] <ddrown> heh, that's pretty slow
  • [22:19:42] <ddrown> compared to a SSD or disk
  • [22:20:00] <yates> apples/oranges
  • [22:20:10] <ddrown> true
  • [22:20:21] <ddrown> but oranges are slow
  • [22:20:23] <yates> i think my ssd does upwards of 500 MB/s?
  • [22:21:34] <yates> ha.
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  • [22:51:45] <yates> ok, https://rcn-ee.net/deb/microsd/wheezy/bone-debian-7.7-console-armhf-2014-10-29-2gb.img.xz doesn't boot.
  • [22:54:40] <yates> help!
  • [22:54:52] <yates> what's going on with these freakin' images/
  • [22:54:53] <yates> ?
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  • [22:55:20] <beest> you're not writing the .xz are you?
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  • [22:56:18] <yates> no.
  • [22:56:30] <yates> i used linux's unxz to decompress it
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  • [22:57:53] <yates> then i use dd if=x.img of=/dev/sdd
  • [22:58:20] <abferm> Hey guys, I'm trying to mux out 2 uarts with rts+cts, and it looks like the only way to do that is to use PR1_UART0. Is it just like any other UART port, or does the PRU complicate things?
  • [22:59:23] <yates> anyone else here successfully use bone-debian-7.7-console-armhf-2014-10-29-2gb?
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  • [23:00:17] <yates> ddrown: would you mind trying it?
  • [23:00:57] <yates> just see if it boots, e.g., if it opens a network connection on 192.168.7.2 via NDIS/usb
  • [23:01:37] <yates> i've tried two different sdcards, rebooting severl times. no joy.
  • [23:02:01] <yates> https://rcn-ee.net/deb/microsd/wheezy/bone-debian-7.7-console-armhf-2014-10-29-2gb.img.xz
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  • [23:03:50] <ddrown> yates: I think I used one of the 2014-10-29 images when I flashed. I can't flash now as my BBB is doing things for me
  • [23:05:34] <ddrown> # cat /etc/dogtag
  • [23:05:34] <ddrown> BeagleBoard.org BeagleBone Debian Image 2014-05-14
  • [23:05:39] <ddrown> oh, I guess I used an older one
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  • [23:59:14] <rick-mon`> hey I'm trying to use my BBB as a host for live performance midi sequencing software I've written. But hit quite a roadblock with what I believe is an issue with the alsa sequencer