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  • [01:13:41] <Ed_> sup
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  • [01:30:12] <fchmmr> idwer, or I could just extract and then dd. simple.
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  • [01:33:55] <idwer> or pipe wget output to xzcat, xzcat output to dd
  • [01:34:00] <idwer> saves disk space
  • [01:34:23] <idwer> then have lunc or whatever
  • [01:34:25] <idwer> lunch
  • [01:38:43] <idwer> simple to follow, yes, but not easier per se
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  • [02:42:20] <lens> Wholly lag, batman.
  • [02:42:25] <lens> 5.8s lag
  • [02:45:03] <tb__> Is that how you spell "Wholly"?
  • [02:45:08] * tb__ did not know that
  • [02:45:26] <tb__> Thought it was the "holy" variety
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  • [03:15:12] <opcode> tb__: it's holy
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  • [04:27:21] <embed> hai all, Am working for power managment in am335x. But there is no supported source files in kernel-3.8.13. Is there any seperate patch available or where shall i get all those files?
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  • [04:43:14] <signature41> Hi. I'm looking for a board that has 1.8V digital I/O pins. It looks like the original BeagleBoard has that. Does anyone know if the BeagleBoard-xm has it too?
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  • [06:02:30] <shukla> hi
  • [06:02:47] <shukla> can I use MCP4725 DAC with BBB
  • [06:02:50] <shukla> http://www.generationrobots.com/media/mcp4725-12-bit-dac-tutorial.pdf
  • [06:07:29] <shukla> please help
  • [06:14:12] <shukla> any body here
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  • [06:21:49] <shukla> knock knock knock
  • [06:22:35] <tbr> patience is a virtue
  • [06:23:03] <tbr> have you looked at the BBB SRM? have you looked at the PDF you link?
  • [06:23:42] <shukla> yes
  • [06:24:13] <shukla> I had read the PDF
  • [06:24:50] <shukla> and SRM as well I know that BBB is having an I2S support
  • [06:25:12] <tbr> but this isn't I²S it's I²C
  • [06:26:21] <shukla> but I want to produce a sine wave with desired frequency on Oscillosope,I tried it with PWM PIN ie p9_14 but the output is not desired so
  • [06:27:34] <shukla> I also tried amplifying the output of PWM pin with LM386 IC
  • [06:28:36] <tbr> sounds like you might want that sound codec cape
  • [06:29:15] <shukla> According to the PDF link MCP4725 can be used with arduino to produce sine wave but I am nt sure if I can interface it with BBB
  • [06:29:37] <shukla> I mean adafruit support library is only available for Arduino UNO
  • [06:30:08] <shukla> give me some link for sound codec cape
  • [06:30:11] <shukla> ?
  • [06:32:15] <shukla> -
  • [06:32:16] <shukla> _
  • [06:32:24] <shukla> Thanks I got the Audio cap
  • [06:32:34] <shukla> http://www.aerodynes.fr/2014/06/04/beaglebone-black-audio-cape/
  • [06:32:57] <shukla> but what would be coding part for this cape
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  • [06:46:38] <shukla> knock knock knock
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  • [08:21:37] <cityLights> morning, can anyone help me use the 3.19 kernel rcn-ee published with device over lay?
  • [08:21:55] <cityLights> the slts files is missing after booting the kerenl
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  • [09:02:44] <embed> Hai, I need support for power management implementation in 3.8.13kernel - am33xx. Any 1 help me!!
  • [09:04:57] <tbr> I don't think there's much power management
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  • [09:25:34] <embed> tbr : That means we cannot implement power managment in 3.8.13 kernel???
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  • [09:29:27] <tbr> embed: I have no idea, have you tried looking for TI documentation on that topic?
  • [09:31:48] <embed> tbr : The discussion is about they had applied lots of patches for power managment and they are failed.
  • [09:32:29] <tbr> I personally know nothing about power management on the BBB
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  • [09:32:42] <tbr> you could try asking RCN or TI
  • [09:34:33] <embed> tbr : sorry, RCN means?
  • [09:34:53] <tbr> a person, robert nelson
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  • [11:17:08] <cityoflights2> the timezone rcn uses is a bit hard for me
  • [11:17:47] <cityoflights2> does any one else know how to get the device tree overlay working using the latest 2.19 kernel by rcn?
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  • [13:54:34] <tb__> opcode: I looked it up though, and "wholly" is indeed a word--it means in its entirety. So in the example lens gave, it might be the appropriate form indeed.
  • [13:54:47] <lens> damnit
  • [13:54:55] <tb__> lol
  • [13:58:03] <beest> ugh, what are they teaching you pesky kids in school
  • [13:59:26] <tb__> heh...i'm almost 50
  • [14:00:05] <beest> no excuse then!
  • [14:00:21] <tb__> well, except that either could be valid in this situation
  • [14:00:29] <beest> i am wholly disappointed
  • [14:00:58] <tb__> Holy mackerel, you used "wholly" in a sentence
  • [14:01:24] <beest> i do so frequently because i'm a miserable bore
  • [14:01:46] <tb__> i resemble that remark
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  • [14:05:13] * tb__ had to send in a couple BBB units for RMA
  • [14:05:25] <tb__> first time I've ever had to do that
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  • [14:05:36] <lens> rma?
  • [14:06:36] <tb__> Return Merchandise Authorization
  • [14:07:37] <lens> huh.
  • [14:09:45] <beest> my luck is gonna run out eventually, god knows how i haven't managed to fry mine by sheer drug-addled incompetence
  • [14:10:17] <tb__> well, i didn't do anything that should have caused these to fail
  • [14:10:43] <tb__> i have had a BBW unit for over 18 months, and have not once had a single problem (knock on wood)
  • [14:11:11] <beest> both of them circuitco boards?
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  • [14:11:23] <tb__> the first RevC BBB was just sitting there running with me SSH'd in
  • [14:11:26] <tb__> and it quit
  • [14:11:41] <tb__> yes, i believe so--they aren't Element14
  • [14:12:08] <beest> afaik if it's not element14, it's circuitco, don't think anyone else has production plans
  • [14:12:37] <tb__> the second one failed while attached to an ADXL345 accelerometer, after working for like 4-5 minutes. After it failed I replaced it in the circuit with the BBW
  • [14:12:43] <tb__> same wires, same pins
  • [14:12:47] <tb__> same accelerometer
  • [14:12:54] <tb__> worked perfectly
  • [14:13:32] <beest> odd, how were they powered?
  • [14:13:34] <tb__> used it for an hour then, to run the examples in Derek Molloy's book. Not a single issue
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  • [14:13:53] <tb__> 5v DC supply from Adafruit (everything was from Adafruit)
  • [14:14:09] <tb__> so i sent that power supply with the units
  • [14:14:39] <lens> sounds familiar -_-
  • [14:15:08] <tb__> you've had similar problems with a BBB?
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  • [14:23:19] <tb__> lens, have had BBB units fail under similar circumstances?
  • [14:23:27] <tb__> have *you* had...
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  • [14:30:12] <knob> Any link to download freeBSD for the BBB?
  • [14:31:04] <knob> I am looking at this: https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/BeagleBoneBlack
  • [14:31:54] <tb__> maybe check Robert C Nelson's page?
  • [14:32:02] <tb__> not sure if he supports that distro or not
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  • [14:47:29] <beest> knob: have you tried the bottom of the page?
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  • [14:53:22] <tb__> I wondered about that as well beest
  • [14:53:27] <tb__> "BeagleBoneBlack snapshots are available for FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE and FreeBSD 11-CURRENT."
  • [14:56:43] <lens> tb__, I have a bbb that just kind of shits out like all the time
  • [14:56:50] <lens> first gpio thing I've ever owned
  • [14:57:03] <lens> and I also wanted fbsd on it
  • [14:57:23] <lens> you need to modify stuff for the emmc because emmc is dev1 and microsd is dev0
  • [14:57:42] <lens> something about MLO made it so
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  • [15:01:16] <tb__> have you checked the kernel log to see what's going on, lens ?
  • [15:01:37] <lens> I get kernel panics and haven't diagnosed anything any further
  • [15:01:42] <lens> too busy to even use my bbb
  • [15:01:54] <tb__> my issues are in hardware
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  • [15:02:26] <tb__> the BBBs won't even power on anymore, and the little power LED just flickers when you plug it in, or press the POWER button
  • [15:02:43] <tb__> so it's like the PMIC is sensing an over-current condition, and going into overload
  • [15:02:55] <tb__> sounds like an IC shorted maybe?
  • [15:03:20] <tb__> neither unit got warm, made a sound, smoked, or did anything weird. they just quit
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  • [15:30:53] <cityoflights2> rcn-ee is you really here?
  • [15:31:30] <cityoflights2> maybe you can help me understand how to find the solts file when booting from 3.19 kerenl?
  • [15:31:46] <rcn-ee> cityoflights2, nope.. just your imagination... "waves hand" you don't see me..
  • [15:31:48] <cityoflights2> s/solt/slots/
  • [15:32:19] <rcn-ee> cityoflights2, sorry nothing outside of v3.8.x, v3.19-rc2 re-introduces overlays, but the capemgr is reported yet..
  • [15:32:20] <cityoflights2> well I do live on a diffrent time zone then you, that's my fault
  • [15:32:38] <cityoflights2> so, seems you are the only one here that can tell me
  • [15:33:11] <cityoflights2> where is the slots file that used to be in/sys/devices that was used to load overlays?
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  • [15:34:15] <rcn-ee> the "slots" file is created by the "capemgr" in v3.8.x... With v3.19-rcX, we now have the overlay subsystem. (which the "capemgr" used)... So to get the 'slots' file back, we need to re-port "capemgr"..
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  • [15:35:10] <rcn-ee> cityoflights2, you can see the manual "non-slots" method here: http://www.spinics.net/lists/devicetree/msg61079.html
  • [15:35:30] <cityoflights2> I see
  • [15:35:42] <rcn-ee> crap, i need to add that patch to my v3.19-rcx tree too...
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  • [15:36:06] <rcn-ee> but anywho... i've added a 3.19.x branch to my dtb-rebuilder.. what overlay/capes are you trying to use with v3.19-rcx?
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  • [15:36:26] <cityoflights2> where can I read all about this? the wiki with the kerenel links didn't tell me about this change
  • [15:36:58] <cityoflights2> rcn-ee: I just want to pullup gpio48
  • [15:38:18] <rcn-ee> well the "device-tree" mailing list.. It's not in a wiki.. well cause it was "just" merged into "v3.19-rc1" last week.. Usually it takes a few weeks for mainline to stablize before we start really testing the new interfaces..... Can't write a wiki before we know how it works..
  • [15:39:16] <cityoflights2> 1. I want to help 2. where is the device tree mailing list
  • [15:39:17] <rcn-ee> cityoflights2, that's pretty easy, this holds eMMC in reset via a gpio: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/dtb-rebuilder/blob/3.19.x/src/arm/am335x-bone-emmc-in-reset.dtsi
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  • [15:40:13] <rcn-ee> just google "device tree mailing list" .;)
  • [15:40:35] <cityoflights2> thanks mate
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  • [15:44:39] <knob> beest, just saw that... thank you!
  • [15:47:45] <cityoflights2> I am looking to read that configfs-overlays.txt and can't find it
  • [15:47:57] <cityoflights2> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/Documentation/devicetree doens't have that file
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  • [15:50:33] <cityoflights2> rcn-ee I can't find that configfs-overlays.txt file to explain how to use the overlay in 3.19
  • [15:51:48] <rcn-ee> cityoflights2, the overlay subsystem was merged, but the "DT-Overlay configfs interface" was not... you need to add that patch i linked too.
  • [15:53:21] <cityoflights2> I see
  • [15:54:09] <cityoflights2> right right, sorry, didn't read the full post
  • [15:54:53] <cityoflights2> oh seems easy
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  • [17:35:56] <beest> what are the sd card brands to avoid these days?
  • [17:36:47] <rcn-ee> anything on ebay that could be easily counterfitted..
  • [17:37:13] <cityoflights2> happy new 2015
  • [17:38:00] <Mikaela> Current fST is: 2014-12-31 17:36:11
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  • [17:41:37] <cityoflights2> did anyone explain how is device tree different then kernel modules?
  • [17:45:27] <rcn-ee> cityoflights2, are you really looking for a writeup?
  • [17:47:53] <cityoflights2> I read how to use a device tree, but didn't understand why there was a need to invent it
  • [17:48:10] <cityoflights2> I mean , can't I load a module with an argument?
  • [17:48:23] <cityoflights2> then reload it with a new argument?
  • [17:48:24] <rcn-ee> cityoflights2, device tree = firmware...
  • [17:48:45] <kl0wn> lol
  • [17:49:22] <cityoflights2> I think I understand
  • [17:49:51] <cityoflights2> so you must supply a new firmware every time..
  • [17:50:31] <rcn-ee> it's suppost to be stable, eventually the device tree blobs will be seperate from kernel, but right now it's still in development..
  • [17:50:58] <cityoflights2> oh ya , did anyone write an alsa driver for the pwm used in the BBB?
  • [17:51:49] <cityoflights2> ok, I will wait for you to release the 3.19 with the new device tree patch and use it
  • [17:52:18] <cityoflights2> I was looking at using the pwm to drive a pieso-electric speaker
  • [17:52:43] <cityoflights2> I think this used to have an alsa driver as "pc speaker" right?
  • [17:52:55] <rcn-ee> pushed it to my staging tree this morning: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev/commit/8bbac893ea643e2b3aef65c8560c0b639be89530
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  • [17:53:07] <cityoflights2> nice
  • [17:53:08] <rcn-ee> it'll be party of the rc3 snaphot this sunday..
  • [17:53:13] <rcn-ee> party/part..
  • [17:53:44] <cityoflights2> any new features introduced in the 3.19 kernel?
  • [17:54:18] <cityoflights2> by the way I did not understand why you need the gpio hog and the holding down the eMMC reset pin
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  • [17:56:28] <rcn-ee> cityoflights2, then you don't mind corruption on the eMMC? You need to keep the eMMC in reset, if you want to use those muxed pins for something else..
  • [17:56:51] <cityoflights2> I see
  • [17:58:50] <rcn-ee> cityoflights2, "new features" you can see all the changes here: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/diff/?id=v3.19-rc2&id2=v3.18&dt=2
  • [17:59:34] <cityoflights2> yep I read that, just asked if there was anything other then device tree relevant to the BBB
  • [17:59:54] <cityoflights2> the qualcomm gpu module doesn't effect us
  • [18:02:13] <rcn-ee> well lots of things releveant to the BBB, but a 1 line summary isn't going to help you...
  • [18:04:25] <cityoflights2> is it polite to ask here about why linux previusly didn't add device tree suport and now it is going in to the kerenl?
  • [18:04:49] <cityoflights2> again, I just now this information, I didn't understand the whole picture
  • [18:06:44] <rcn-ee> cityoflights2, start here: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/17/492 then start reading the device tree mainline list...
  • [18:06:58] <cityoflights2> ok
  • [18:07:54] <rcn-ee> at that time, 'powerpc' had been using device tree's..
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  • [19:06:32] <xrosnight> happy new year, guys!
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  • [19:07:43] <xrosnight> tdy: hey mate. happy new year! I see that you play around with kinect on beaglebone linux. and you met this " Failed to open camera subdevice or it is not disabled.Failed to open motor subddevice or it is not disabled.Failed to open audio subdevice or it is not disabled.Error: Invalid index [0] " How did you solve that? many thanks!
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  • [19:08:41] <n1cky> is there a new debian image up today?
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  • [19:16:16] <n1cky> disregard that, I'm an idiot for not looking first. Thanks for the work you do! :)
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  • [20:50:37] <yates> what is the default network address (over the ethernet, not usb) for the debian build for the bbb?
  • [20:52:14] <jacekowski> dhcp?
  • [20:52:40] <rcn-ee> yates: "beagleboard.local" or "arm.local"...
  • [20:52:56] <rcn-ee> or "beaglebone.local" .. one of those 3..
  • [20:53:08] <jacekowski> i think he's asking about ip address
  • [20:53:38] <rcn-ee> i think he is too, it's really unknown but the zero config eth package is installed so the hostname.local should work..
  • [20:53:39] <yates> rcn-ee: you're saying the bbb "publishes" those domain names?
  • [20:53:51] <vagrantc> rcn-ee: what's the config option for UMS support in u-bot? that looks really nice!
  • [20:53:51] <rcn-ee> yeap.. avahi-daemon?
  • [20:54:27] <yates> cool. thank you.
  • [20:54:38] <rcn-ee> vagrantc, this 5 line diff at the bottom.. https://github.com/RobertCNelson/Bootloader-Builder/blob/master/patches/v2015.01-rc4/0001-am335x_evm-uEnv.txt-bootz-n-fixes.patch#L342
  • [20:54:57] <rcn-ee> now just to get mainline cordiante with debian/ubuntu/fedora/etc.. and we can create "noobs" for bbb. ;)
  • [20:55:08] <rcn-ee> Just 10 times slower. ;)
  • [20:55:12] <vagrantc> heh
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  • [20:56:12] <rcn-ee> vagrantc, might be fun to get u-boot to change that.. i can see the "usb-eth" is more setup for u-boot developers, whereas usb-mass might be more for consumers. ;)
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  • [21:00:58] <rcn-ee> my inital thought last night, tftp boot over usb-net.. ;) for kernel development? only one cable needed..
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  • [21:12:02] <vagrantc> rcn-ee: it seems you have more patches again... :)
  • [21:13:04] <rcn-ee> vagrantc, always have more patches. ;) v2015.01 is broken for us (dd MLO/u-boot.img) and i dropped the voltage rail change.. As it turns out, we don't have infastruture to "properly" downscale the voltage.. ti ran into issues on am43xx's...
  • [21:13:31] <vagrantc> rcn-ee: so the voltage change should be reverted?
  • [21:13:43] <vagrantc> rcn-ee: i did end up getting that in jessie
  • [21:14:05] <vagrantc> for the bbb
  • [21:14:20] <rcn-ee> yeah we should revert it.. (if done in kernel land..) u-boot should be fine... The issue is stabilty concerns when we down volt it in kernel land..
  • [21:14:37] <vagrantc> just in u-boot for jessie
  • [21:15:26] <rcn-ee> vagrantc, see this thread: http://www.spinics.net/lists/devicetree/msg56399.html
  • [21:16:14] <vagrantc> i gave a whirl at adding support for using config_distro_bootcmd, but had problems with differing use of $bootpart
  • [21:16:21] <rcn-ee> From Keerthy: The issue is seen when we are executing from DDR and the voltage is changed
  • [21:16:21] <rcn-ee> (in our case lowered) on the fly.
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  • [21:17:12] <vagrantc> mostly impacted the element14 ones?
  • [21:17:49] <rcn-ee> Keerthy was working on am43xx brinup...
  • [21:19:19] <rcn-ee> bootpart is a little painful on the bbb, if only the mci's interfaces had been reversed.. then 0=0 and 1=1. ;) Instead of what we got now..
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  • [21:22:40] <yates> rcn-ee: would those domain names be accessible if the bbb were on a local network along with a win7/win8 computer from the win7/win8 computer without any special configuration?
  • [21:23:04] <yates> and is dhcp enabled by default on a fresh debian install?
  • [21:23:13] <agmlego> Windows is stupid about domains.
  • [21:23:23] <agmlego> Especially avahi domains.
  • [21:23:47] <rcn-ee> yates, maybe... http://linux.die.net/man/8/avahi-daemon it should work with mac's.. as it's based on their Zeroconf architecture
  • [21:23:52] <yates> let me state that in this scenario i could not get a route to the bbb.
  • [21:24:22] <agmlego> yates: Can you just ask your DHCP server which IP address it handed the bone?>
  • [21:24:51] <rcn-ee> https://learn.adafruit.com/bonjour-zeroconf-networking-for-windows-and-linux/overview
  • [21:24:54] <yates> so in essence the computer you're trying to connect from must be running an avahi daemon?
  • [21:25:03] <rcn-ee> yates, ^ you need to isntall something special for windows..
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  • [21:25:53] <yates> agmlego: we had a snafu in that we didn't know which sdcard was which and one of them may have had dhcp disabled
  • [21:26:02] <yates> and i'm working remotely.
  • [21:26:14] <yates> rcn-ee: thanks - i'll read up.
  • [21:26:19] <rcn-ee> yates, bbb has avahi-daemon by default, just the router (or if no router, the wbox has to have zeroconf isntalled)
  • [21:27:59] <rcn-ee> yates, i ran into that last night... avahi-deamon also doesn't work if eth0 is disabled.. lost 15mins on that debug. ;)
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  • [21:33:27] <agmlego> yates: Ah.
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  • [21:35:25] <vagrantc> rcn-ee: is UMS incompatible with th emass storage driver~~~~~~~~~~~
  • [21:35:38] <vagrantc> er, usb-eth?
  • [21:36:12] <vagrantc> they both seem to require initialization...
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  • [21:43:24] <rcn-ee> it looks like it's one or the other, but yes you need init it from u-boot: ums 0 mmc 1 (ums usb-device mmc mmc-device)
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