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  • [00:00:23] * Set by jkridner!~jkridner@pdpc/supporter/active/jkridner on Wed Oct 22 00:02:16 UTC 2014
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  • [00:02:09] <Talorno> hi guys! :)
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  • [00:04:12] <Talorno> does anyone knows if i can use some gpio on my board to have more serial ports? :)
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  • [04:59:04] <embed> Hai all, Am working for tca8418 keypad. And i need to register multi keycode for single key with shift key enable in device tree. I followed the documentation in linux-kernel but still cant achieve. Could any one help me?
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  • [08:20:02] <Arvind> can we use ADC/DAC on Beagle Bone Black Board
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  • [08:21:00] <LetoThe2nd> Arvind: is the question if *you* can use it, or if the *hardware* permits it?
  • [08:25:02] <woglinde> I love AC/DC
  • [08:25:40] <woglinde> av500 ping we have a spammer again -> erratis
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  • [11:45:52] <Rotti> hi
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  • [12:09:32] <gmg> what is the fastest connection to talk with a cape that has many data to send back?
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  • [12:10:20] <KotH> make it a memory device
  • [12:10:23] <gmg> what is the maximum bit rate that the uart can reach?
  • [12:10:32] <KotH> have you read the TRM?
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  • [12:10:55] <gmg> what is TRM?
  • [12:11:04] <KotH> technical reference manual
  • [12:11:35] <Rotti> what amount of data? does it need to be transferred continously?
  • [12:12:06] <KotH> Rotti: "many" ;)
  • [12:12:10] <Kirsath> Hi all! Is there anyone out there that could help me? I am having a problem flashing the last ubuntu image from the SD card in the beaglebone black emmc. It loads the OS from the SD card but does not execute the script to copy the files in the emmc...
  • [12:12:26] <gmg> 1/2k in 1ms
  • [12:12:26] <Rotti> KotH: oh, thanks, didn't see that ;-)
  • [12:12:47] <KotH> Kirsath: have you connected a serial cable to teh BBB and looked at the output on the debug console?
  • [12:13:03] <Kirsath> Any help will be really appreciate. If anyone knows where is located the script to flash the emmc I can execute it directly from an ssh connection.
  • [12:13:18] <KotH> gmg: 512kbit/s?
  • [12:13:19] <Kirsath> KotH, I did not do that to be honest bu I can try
  • [12:13:22] <KotH> gmg: that's not much
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  • [12:14:18] <Rotti> KotH: isn't it 512Mbit?
  • [12:14:51] <KotH> Rotti: depends whether he meant bit, nibbles, byte or potatos
  • [12:15:05] <gmg> KotH:115200 is too slow I need 1/3 MBPS
  • [12:16:01] <KotH> gmg: well, if you are producing 512kbit/s of data, then 115kbit/s will be too slow, of course
  • [12:18:32] <gmg> secondo question: to talk with a cape is best to develop a kernel driver or a user application?
  • [12:19:06] <gmg> i think are stupid questions, but I come from Windows
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  • [12:20:15] <Rotti> gmg: kernel mode might be faster / more deterministing regarding timing issues
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  • [12:23:02] <KotH> gmg: depends on what you are doing
  • [12:23:09] <KotH> gmg: the more you can do in user space the better
  • [12:23:10] <gmg> l
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  • [12:23:42] <KotH> gmg: if you really need high speed (ie several 10MByte/s) or very low latency, then a kernel driver is the right thing to do
  • [12:23:55] <KotH> otherwise, use existing kernel drivers and build a userspace application on top
  • [12:24:21] <KotH> you might also want to buy the "embedded linux primer"
  • [12:24:34] <KotH> it explains a lot about how stuff work on in an embedded linux system
  • [12:24:40] <KotH> but it expects you to know linux itself
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  • [12:26:04] <gmg> ok I will make some tests, thanks
  • [12:27:01] <KotH> gmg: you can hire people like pengutronix or free electrons for the hardcore linux stuff
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  • [12:27:53] <gmg> ok
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  • [12:31:44] <Kirsath> Hi KotH, I have already USB debug cable connected. But I do not know how to proceed. Is there any log information that tell me what is going wrong?
  • [12:32:39] <Rotti> Kirsath: you need a terminal program like hyperterminal, putty, screen, minicom or similar
  • [12:33:33] <Rotti> then you should see all messages from the bootloader and the kernel (but they aren't buffered, so you have to reboot the bbb)
  • [12:34:20] <KotH> Kirsath: usb cable as in usb to serial adapter?
  • [12:34:34] <KotH> Kirsath: you need to go onto the debug serial port
  • [12:34:41] <KotH> Kirsath: the SRM describes how
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  • [12:39:10] <Kirsath> I already have a serial terminal (using terminte right now) and I got all the logs from there (using usb to serial adapter)
  • [12:39:41] <Kirsath> I restarted the bblack and got the messages Rotti
  • [12:40:10] <Kirsath> What I don't really know is where can I find the proper log line to checkout if the flash is being done properly
  • [12:40:49] <Kirsath> Btw, thanks for your answers, I hope I can solve this issue with your knowledge
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  • [13:01:32] <Rotti> Kirsath: don't know what it's saying, don't know what it should say... if theres something with "error", "failed", ... it might be a hint ;-)
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  • [13:17:33] <Kirsath> I figured out the problem. For some reason (maybe wrong image downloaded from a non-trusty source) It was not being flashing the emmc. New image being testing right now and Cylon leds behaviour showing it is working! Thanks Rotti and KotH for your help and interest!
  • [13:20:36] <KotH> np
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  • [13:39:20] <Rotti> is anyone using sigrok/pulseview? can't compile the latter since it complains it cannot find libsigrokxx... but this seems to be a part of libsigrok, which is installed...
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  • [13:41:57] <KotH> maybe wrong version
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  • [13:43:28] <Rotti> configure: Missing macro AX_CXX_COMPILE_STDCXX_11, no C++11 check
  • [13:43:32] <Rotti> maybe related to this
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  • [13:48:36] <Rotti> ha, libglibmm-dev was missing... no c++ bindings
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  • [17:26:12] <keesj> Beable Bone Black ... black mod... I can sleep again http://www.keesj.dds.nl/bbbb.webm
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  • [18:15:09] <pingo> is there an official guide on how to remove all UI and web services from the beaglebone black debian setup?
  • [18:15:33] <pingo> like node and web server
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  • [19:19:48] <jbdatko> pingo: Get the console image
  • [19:19:58] <pingo> oh?
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  • [19:20:29] <jbdatko> pingo: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Debian_Image_Testing_Snapshots
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  • [19:20:51] <jbdatko> pick one that says "console" it is pretty bare
  • [19:21:10] <jbdatko> then add what you need
  • [19:21:14] <pingo> thanks
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  • [20:00:44] <ben____> HI
  • [20:01:20] <ben____> I'd like to know if beagleboard-XM REV C has a WIFI chip ? thx
  • [20:02:04] <_av500_> no
  • [20:02:08] <_av500_> it does not
  • [20:02:24] <_av500_> but you can plug a USB wifi
  • [20:02:41] <ben____> is it the same for Beaglebone black and beagleboard ?
  • [20:03:09] <gmgunderground> olimex wifi is cheap and is working fine
  • [20:03:11] <_av500_> both dont have wifi
  • [20:03:19] <_av500_> both can work with usb wifi
  • [20:03:37] <gmgunderground> 6€
  • [20:03:37] <ben____> thank you
  • [20:03:52] <ben____> ok i see
  • [20:03:58] <ben____> thanks
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  • [20:16:27] <kenrestivo> last i checked, the wifi capes didn't have bbb support. usb is the best bet, tho, only 1 usb port
  • [20:17:44] <kenrestivo> i vaguely remember cutting and rerouting pins to get the bbb wifi cape out of the way of the pins needed by a chipsee touchscreen, and recompiling the wifi driver and board files to handle the pin muxing.... was a year ago though, maybe things are better now.
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  • [20:19:07] <Humpelstilzchen> kenrestivo: USB Hub?
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  • [20:19:21] <kenrestivo> yeah, that's probably the simplest way out
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  • [21:27:40] <Peanut> Howdy, folks. Any suggestions on getting timer4 to work? Can I do that with pinmux, or do I need to write a kernel module for that?
  • [21:30:05] <Peanut> BBB rev C, Debian kernel, by the way (3.8.13)
  • [21:31:33] <ddrown> Peanut: work in what way? hardware capture?
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  • [21:32:27] <Peanut> ddrown: yup, ideally I'd want to read it out, clocked from an external source.
  • [21:32:39] <ddrown> Peanut: you'd have to write a kernel module for that
  • [21:32:49] <ddrown> you can use pps-gpio as an alternative
  • [21:33:23] <Peanut> ddrown: that'd be a good start, I guess.. let me google that for a bit.
  • [21:33:43] <ddrown> Peanut: this might help - http://blog.dan.drown.org/beaglebone-black-ntpgps-server/
  • [21:34:33] <Peanut> Ah, that's you :-)
  • [21:35:13] <ddrown> there's a few others doing interesting stuff out there
  • [21:36:08] <Peanut> My goal is to run the BBB from a Rb clock, long-time steer from GPS, NTP server (and PTP if I get really ambitious)
  • [21:36:19] <ddrown> This guy just posted a swap of the Y2 crystal - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.nuts/41609
  • [21:36:41] <Peanut> I was hoping to do it without a swap, as you can clock the BBB timers externally.
  • [21:36:48] <ddrown> yup
  • [21:37:21] <ddrown> you'll need to make a change to the kernel to have it use TCLKIN
  • [21:37:29] <ddrown> at least, I assume so
  • [21:37:47] <Peanut> Yes - I'm used to building kernels for regular Debian systems, but haven't built one for the BBB yet. Do you do that natively or cross?
  • [21:37:57] <ddrown> I'd recommend a cross compile
  • [21:38:03] <ddrown> but natively should be possible
  • [21:38:17] <veremit> there's just no need to natively ocmpile :D
  • [21:38:25] <ddrown> heh
  • [21:38:31] <ddrown> I mean, maybe you like waiting? :)
  • [21:38:40] <veremit> and you have to install the deps and libs and .. oh look, no emmc :)
  • [21:38:57] <Peanut> Why no emmc?
  • [21:39:03] <ddrown> he means storage space
  • [21:39:07] <veremit> cos u just ran out ;) hehe
  • [21:39:23] <Peanut> Ah, in that sense. Yup, I'll go for cross compiling.
  • [21:39:29] <veremit> everyone seems to think the bb is quad-core with 1tbh storage and 16gb of ram lol .. well .. some do :p
  • [21:39:45] <ddrown> heh
  • [21:39:55] <ddrown> I've hit what I think is out of memory crashes
  • [21:40:06] <ddrown> when I was messing with other stuff
  • [21:40:23] <ddrown> I wonder how much ram you need to compile a kernel, that might be an issue
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  • [21:40:25] <veremit> its a great platform .. but you need to know a bit about embedded systems :)
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  • [21:40:38] <veremit> ddrown .. I think I've heard it done
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  • [21:40:57] <veremit> whether you ened to resort to swap I dunno .. hope not!
  • [21:42:06] <Peanut> veremit: getting there - my BBB now sports an DS1307, 3.3V/5V level converters, and I've got /dev/ttyO4 connnected (via more level converters) to the RS-232 on the Rb clock. Also added is a MC4725 12-bit DAC to steer the Rb eventually.
  • [21:42:20] <veremit> kewl
  • [21:42:36] <Peanut> I've seen some recent posts that the internal RTC of the BBB might become usable in the future?
  • [21:42:45] <veremit> ah yes you got caught out with the timekeeping chip bein 5v lol
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  • [21:43:00] <ddrown> I thought there were battery points on the BBB for the RTC. am I misremembering?
  • [21:43:04] <veremit> depends if the chip can be kept alive on power-saving
  • [21:43:33] <Peanut> ddrown: yes, but due to issues with the power controller, and how some of the power busses on the BBB are connected together, it's hard to put it in a RTC-only mode.
  • [21:43:34] <veremit> sometimes the rtc 'block' takes a fair bit of power .. depends on the chip though and the 'block'
  • [21:43:42] <ddrown> aah
  • [21:43:58] <veremit> and the pmic .. and .. yeah.
  • [21:44:30] <veremit> seems everyone relies on ntp if you need time
  • [21:44:48] <Peanut> veremit: that's why I want to take it to the next level: PTP.
  • [21:44:51] <ddrown> NTP is very universal
  • [21:45:12] <veremit> Peanut .. you must post up when you get everything working .. if you're not blogging already :)
  • [21:45:14] <Peanut> NTP is also pretty crappy. You're easily off by several ms.
  • [21:45:17] <ddrown> IEEE1588 is neat
  • [21:45:28] <veremit> wow .. shit .. a few ms .. damn
  • [21:45:37] <ddrown> Peanut: not on a local lan with low polling timers
  • [21:45:49] <ddrown> hundreds of us, yes
  • [21:45:51] <Peanut> ddrown: yes, you need to tweak NTP a bit to get good performance out of it.
  • [21:46:35] <veremit> if all the computers on a lan are in the same timezone you're normally doin well .. as for the same hour and minute (esp. after daylight savings changes!) .. thats really good .. few ms out .. now you're just bein picky :P
  • [21:46:47] <ddrown> heh
  • [21:47:04] <Peanut> minpoll 4 maxpoll 4 but then you need to provide your own server.
  • [21:47:17] <veremit> but sure .. if you're running satellites or high frequency comms or etc .. go for it .. I just personally wouldn't be using a $30 arm computer for my timekeeping lol
  • [21:47:44] <veremit> but seriously .. go for it .. its an interesting project
  • [21:48:13] <Peanut> veremit: Yup, and I have a real need for that kind of accuracy, and no budget, and will publish if it works.
  • [21:49:04] <veremit> you should make a spectrum analyser next ;)
  • [21:49:14] <Peanut> ddrown: why chrony instead of ntpd?
  • [21:49:33] <ddrown> temperature compensation, it's built into chrony
  • [21:50:28] <ddrown> my goal is +/-75 ppb over normal temperature ranges
  • [21:50:38] <ddrown> for holdover
  • [21:50:55] <Peanut> veremit: Nah, been there, done that. http://www.camras.nl/images/stories/RadioAstronomie/DT-HI-map-2009-01-02.png
  • [21:51:08] <veremit> d'oh!
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  • [21:53:31] <ddrown> Peanut: what units is Power in? db?
  • [21:53:50] <veremit> watts normally :p
  • [21:53:50] <Peanut> Linear units, uncalibrated.
  • [21:54:03] <ddrown> ah
  • [21:54:11] <idwer> horse power.
  • [21:54:20] <Peanut> Giddy up.
  • [21:54:34] <ddrown> horse powered radio, now that's a thing to behold
  • [21:54:51] <veremit> is that biogas?
  • [21:55:20] <Peanut> ddrown: the GPS dts you have includes uart4. But can't you just enable uart4 by adding 'BB-UART4' to capemgr.enable_partno in uEnv.txt?
  • [21:55:28] <ddrown> yes
  • [21:55:51] <ddrown> perhaps someday I'll bother with an eeprom
  • [21:55:58] <ddrown> :)
  • [21:56:09] <veremit> Peanut .. depends if you're using the Olde kernel still
  • [21:56:17] <Peanut> I'm on Debian.
  • [21:56:28] <ddrown> yeah, my instructions are all for the new capemgr
  • [21:56:32] <ddrown> on debian
  • [21:57:05] <Peanut> Right.. but I got my UART4 to work without using any DTS stuff. Or is this way better in some way?
  • [21:57:12] <ddrown> oh, and the kernel command line "nohz=yes" might lower jitter
  • [21:57:22] <ddrown> well, you are using DTS stuff, just the built-in one
  • [21:57:35] <veremit> true
  • [21:57:48] <ddrown> I think it's nice to combine them into one file, because they are related functions of the same hardware
  • [21:58:03] <ddrown> but it's all just style and not function
  • [21:59:02] <Peanut> I'm going to have to be real carefull with my pin assignments. At the moment, uart4 is assigned to my Rb. So I'd need another uart to talk to the GPS, I need PPS in and TINCLK.
  • [22:00:24] <veremit> you sure a uart is fast enough?
  • [22:00:36] <Peanut> Actually, using ddrown's example, I guess I'm leaving uart4_rtsn and uart4_ctsn free, I guess?
  • [22:00:41] <veremit> I mean even at 1mb .. thats sloooooooowwwwwwwww
  • [22:01:05] <ddrown> veremit: I assume it's a control interface. you don't need a high bitrate for it
  • [22:01:07] <Peanut> veremit: the uart is just to once a minute ask for things like VCO voltage and lamp current.
  • [22:01:11] <Peanut> ddrown: exactly.
  • [22:01:12] <ddrown> Peanut: yeah, I'm not using rts/cts
  • [22:01:14] <veremit> ah
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  • [22:21:08] <Peanut> ddrown: Should pins 0x70 and 0x74 (uart4) both have a pinmux value of 0x26? Shouldn't they differ in bit 5 ?
  • [22:22:21] <ddrown> heh, let me see
  • [22:23:42] <ddrown> so bit 5 is pullup enabled?
  • [22:24:03] <Peanut> No, bit 5 seems to be input/output ?
  • [22:24:29] <Peanut> 4 is up/down, 3 is enable pull, 2,1,0 is mode.
  • [22:24:44] <ddrown> oh, you're starting at 0
  • [22:25:04] <ddrown> right, 0x20 is out
  • [22:25:38] <Peanut> The DTS on your site has 0x26 for both uart4 RX & TX.
  • [22:25:42] <ddrown> so rx should probably be 0x6
  • [22:26:04] <ddrown> I've seen other boards ignore direction for non-gpio, maybe that's why it's working for me
  • [22:26:13] <Peanut> ddrown: Ah, that might be the case.
  • [22:27:39] <ddrown> PPS probably shouldn't have 0x20 set as well
  • [22:29:59] <ddrown> oh wait, 0x20 is input. I got that backwards
  • [22:30:09] <ddrown> TX might not have worked as is
  • [22:30:55] <ddrown> using https://github.com/derekmolloy/boneDeviceTree/tree/master/docs
  • [22:32:34] <Peanut> Yup. Bit 5 isn't so much input/output as 'receiver active', apparently.
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  • [23:03:54] <donaldj> my beaglebone black power light will stay on pluged into USB - plug in power supply and all it does is blink
  • [23:04:16] <donaldj> i am trying to load updated software
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  • [23:08:00] <donaldj_> beagle power light led blinks when using external power wart
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  • [23:09:37] <donaldj_> i am trying to upload new software
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