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  • [03:02:15] <yates> i'm betting there are some debian champions here, so let me throw you a challenge: why does an angstrom distro run on my motherboard (which uses P8 GPIOs) while Debian cannot?
  • [03:02:31] <yates> this is a beaglebone black rev. c
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  • [03:03:26] <yates> the debian distro will boot fine but freezes very consistently at around 2 or 3 minutes after booting - long enough for me to ssh in and look around and see nothing seems to be wrong.
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  • [03:04:12] <yates> booting off the external microSD, so presumably the MMC1 signals aren't utilized...
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  • [03:08:19] <yates> "i throw down my gauntlet!"
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  • [03:57:38] <yates> jkridner: can i ask you a question pm?
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  • [04:07:05] <lns> I have a BBB, and recently received a USB audio device (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2). When I plug the 2i2 into a powered USB hub, and then into the BBB, the USB power light doesn't come on the 2i2. I can use the same hub and plug it into my PC and it works fine...any ideas here? Even plugging the 2i2 directly into the BBB yields the same results. No log entries that I can find when plugging the device.
  • [04:09:07] <yates> jkridner: i would be very thankful if you could review this problem and give me your thoughts: http://www.digitalsignallabs.com/debian-problem-20140915170313.htm
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  • [04:10:45] <yates> jkridner: i saw on the beaglebone kernel at github that you made some changes recently regarding mmc1 (adding to device tree). do you know for a fact that the debian/bbb distro uses these P8 signals, even when booted from the external microSD?
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  • [04:14:05] <yates> or anyone else, for that matter
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  • [08:45:26] <milad> hello tbr: remember when i told u about my bbb debian image delay booting when i disabled lightdm service?
  • [08:47:38] <tbr> milad: not specifically, no
  • [08:48:42] <milad> so i have a delay in booting when i don't coonect my bbb to lan at boot time, i debuged the kernel booting process and it shows this kind of messages: DHCP on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
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  • [08:49:15] <milad> how should i force it not to wait alot for dhcp?
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  • [08:49:54] <tbr> you could try by editing /etc/network/interfaces
  • [08:50:11] <tbr> if the distribution that you run uses that
  • [08:50:53] <milad> yes it's debian , but it doesnt have a dhcp wait time i think.
  • [08:51:00] <woglinde> tbr it is maybe network-manager
  • [08:51:43] <milad> woglinde how should i check that?
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  • [08:52:17] <tbr> woglinde: if it's network damager, then it shouldn't delay boot, should it?
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  • [08:52:29] <woglinde> tbr hm depends
  • [08:52:44] <woglinde> but yes it is not network-manager faults
  • [08:52:59] <woglinde> I have the same problem on my ubuntu install
  • [08:53:14] <woglinde> its waiting for full network-support for two minutes
  • [08:53:18] <LetoThe2nd> debianoids should honor interfaces though, and pull the configured ones out of NMs responsibility though.
  • [08:53:24] <woglinde> but I am to lazy to fix it for my desktop
  • [08:53:37] <tbr> correct, Lëtö
  • [08:53:50] <LetoThe2nd> yay for möre döts!
  • [08:53:51] <KotH> woglinde: debian has a split brain for network. if you use /etc/network/interfaces, it will dhcp during bootup and wait until it is finished... but you can use whatever network manager you choose later
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  • [08:54:08] <milad> you know problem caused when i desabled lightdm. how can they be related?
  • [08:54:23] <tbr> KotH: NM tends to ignore interfaces that are in /etc/network/interfaces
  • [08:54:47] <milad> *disabled
  • [08:54:57] <KotH> tbr: NM is weird
  • [08:55:31] <tbr> yes, but connman is wëïrdër!
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  • [08:56:50] <milad> so what is my answer beside all these conversations :D ?
  • [08:57:20] <KotH> milad: figure out where the problem is and fix it ;)
  • [08:58:03] <milad> should i add some salt?
  • [08:58:46] <KotH> always helps!
  • [08:59:15] <KotH> milad: have you conected a serial console?
  • [08:59:36] <milad> :D, angstrom had conman and i had no problem with it but in debian ...
  • [08:59:37] <tbr> as said, I'd approach it from the /etc/network/interfaces side
  • [09:00:00] <milad> KotH: sth like that i used tty0 as debug console
  • [09:00:34] <milad> tbr: does netmanager use /etc/network/interfaces ?
  • [09:01:02] <tbr> milad: it at least reads it.
  • [09:01:27] <tbr> if you want a quick fix. assign it a fixed IP address in interfaces
  • [09:01:41] <tbr> then it won't DHCP anymore
  • [09:02:03] <milad> tbr: i thinked that but i want specifically DHCP
  • [09:02:19] <milad> because it's connected to office lan
  • [09:02:38] <milad> for security reason it shouldnt have fixed ip
  • [09:03:22] <milad> so thanks, i'll try editing it and i'll let u know
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  • [09:05:17] <tbr> milad: well then leave it unconfigured in there and add it in network manager. then it won't get an address until NM starts and gets it.
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  • [09:06:55] <milad> ok i'll try, can i ask another question?
  • [09:07:19] <woglinde> sure
  • [09:07:41] <milad> where is the kernel boot log stored in /var/* ?
  • [09:07:49] <milad> log/*
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  • [09:08:07] <woglinde> /var/log/dmes
  • [09:08:08] <woglinde> g
  • [09:08:17] <woglinde> or /var/log/syslog
  • [09:08:22] <woglinde> for debian
  • [09:08:52] <milad> i checked /var/log/syslog but it was different from what i saw in booting
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  • [09:09:38] <milad> but it's dmesg, thanks
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  • [09:49:10] <thoi> how to write image on emmc bbb
  • [09:49:26] <LetoThe2nd> thoi: use one of the flasher images.
  • [09:49:51] <LetoThe2nd> thoi: or if you're interested in the actual procedure, look at the scripts in one of the flasher images :)
  • [09:51:20] <thoi> r u talking about this script init-eMMC-flasher-v2.sh (github)
  • [09:51:52] <av500> r u2
  • [09:51:56] <LetoThe2nd> thoi: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [09:52:08] <LetoThe2nd> thoi: section "emmc flasher"
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  • [10:18:18] <RagBal> Is it possible to add libraries like boost when generating meta-toolchain-arago-tisdk from AMSDK? I can't seem to get it to work when just adding the package to IMAGE_INSTALL +=
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  • [10:45:54] <beaglebone_kille> hi all, I have killt my beaglebone black. =( The PWR Led flash every second. I think i have broken the the supply ic. does somebody have experience to chance this ic?
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  • [10:47:07] <av500> RMA irt
  • [10:47:08] <av500> it
  • [10:47:22] <av500> how did you kill it?
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  • [10:53:42] <beaglebone_kille> im not realy shure. I think set a component whith the wrong direction in my circuit .
  • [10:55:15] <tbr> well if you broke it you get to keep both parts. order a new one.
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  • [11:27:55] <sachin_> Hi All, I have beagleboard black for which I have downloaded sd card angstrom image and installed on sd card. It is working fine.
  • [11:28:04] <sachin_> Its version is 3.8.13
  • [11:28:19] <sachin_> Just now I have downloaded beagleboard kernel
  • [11:29:07] <sachin_> and its version is git://github.com/beagleboard/kernel.git
  • [11:29:20] <sachin_> branch version is 3.14
  • [11:29:38] <sachin_> compiled source as per steps http://www.visionopen.com/forums/topic/build-kernel-for-bbb/
  • [11:30:06] <sachin_> now can anyone help on how to upgrade my board to 3.14 kernel
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  • [11:33:42] <tbr> kernel workflow is explained on the angstrom homepage
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  • [11:36:53] <RagBal> Is it possible to add libraries like boost when generating meta-toolchain-arago-tisdk from AMSDK? I can't seem to get it to work when just adding the package to IMAGE_INSTALL +=
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  • [11:46:00] <woglinde> ragbal toolchain is not image
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  • [11:48:55] <RagBal> woglinde, I understand, but when I have the boost libraries in my image I also want them in the toolchain
  • [11:49:26] <woglinde> RagBal hm okay use a task for this
  • [11:51:33] <RagBal> woglinde, I just found out that I need to add the package to TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK
  • [11:52:11] <woglinde> as I said
  • [11:52:56] <RagBal> Thnx =)
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  • [12:07:01] <BennyB> Hi, I'm having "problems" with my hdmi on BBB running wheezy with kernel 3.8.13.
  • [12:07:44] <BennyB> Sometimes my monitor (at them moment a DVI with HDMI adapter) gets no signal on boot and stays off
  • [12:08:23] <BennyB> before I had an HDMI monitor (very cheap one) attatched which hat this problem more often
  • [12:09:32] <BennyB> right now It booted well, displayed my (QT) UI, but now the monitor does show no picture and goes to standby as there is no signal
  • [12:09:55] <BennyB> it's like the screensaver turned on and disabled hdmi output.
  • [12:10:54] <BennyB> how can I check whats gion on? serial debug console runs, top says my program runs, and even when i use x11vns I can see my UI, but the monitos is off
  • [12:11:06] <BennyB> anyone had similar problems?
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  • [12:14:44] <BennyB> here is my output from dmesg: http://pastebin.com/vR1bjwmc
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  • [13:25:57] <woglinde> BennyB did you examine the Xorg.log?
  • [13:29:36] <BennyB> how to do that?
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  • [13:30:56] <BennyB> I have no X window service running the gui comes from Qt
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  • [13:40:06] <woglinde> bennyb ah okay framebuffer stuff
  • [13:40:09] <woglinde> sorry
  • [13:40:11] <woglinde> hm
  • [13:40:14] <woglinde> fbset maybee
  • [13:40:19] <woglinde> or fbinfo
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  • [13:41:20] <BennyB> hm, fbset tells me mode 1280x1024 ... this in deed is the resolution from my monitor
  • [13:41:54] <woglinde> hm is there no option that it says connected or something like xrandr does?
  • [13:42:06] <BennyB> even after a reboot and unplugging and replugging it is off
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  • [13:42:28] <woglinde> bennyb maybe the kernel log has something more too
  • [13:42:41] <woglinde> or you need to set the debug log for the framebuffer kernel stuff
  • [13:42:45] <woglinde> but I have to go now
  • [13:42:52] <woglinde> till later maybe
  • [13:43:36] <BennyB> me too, my dentist is waiting for me .... *ouch*
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  • [14:31:03] <francis_> hi
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  • [14:31:41] <francis_> i have doubt on my evm
  • [14:31:45] <francis_> Dear Biser, I am working with AM3359 Starter kit which is running with default Linux SD-CARD have provided by TI. Now I am trying to boot another uBuntu Linux porting under AM3359 Starter kit. I have partitioned 4GB sdcard in to boot(65MB) & rootfs(Rest of the space) and copied the ubuntu source from this link: http://www.fazzi.eng.br/2014/06/ubuntu-1210-for-am335x-update-v5.html I extracted and copied all the boot and rootfs fi
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  • [14:36:15] <francis_> hi
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  • [14:38:37] <francis_> i am facing issue using am3359 starter kit using ubuntu
  • [14:38:55] <LetoThe2nd> francis_: well, this channel is about the beagleboard family.
  • [14:39:06] <LetoThe2nd> francis_: i doubt that you will see much support here.
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  • [14:39:44] <francis_> it is same as beagle board
  • [14:39:53] <francis_> am3359 starter kit model
  • [14:40:03] <LetoThe2nd> not agreed.
  • [14:40:17] <LetoThe2nd> if it was the same, then you could just use the BBB images.
  • [14:40:58] <LetoThe2nd> if the BBB images don't work, then its not the same.
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  • [14:57:32] <hitlin37> wow, the only hardware listed on minix release page is bb family : http://www.minix3.org/330.html
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  • [15:01:57] <akusa> lads, how do i build a debian release for bbb from source? any tutorials anywhere? I built Angstrom before from their sources but there is no help w.r.t Debian
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  • [15:03:14] <akusa> anyone built debian from Sources before?
  • [15:03:50] <akusa> nobody?
  • [15:04:19] <akusa> fakas
  • [15:04:34] <thurgood> not me
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  • [15:04:37] <av500> not me
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  • [15:04:40] <av500> also, why?
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  • [15:08:31] <seven__> anyone built debian from scratch for bbb ? i want to make a stripped down version of debian without any GUI and other devlibs like opencv gstreamer etc...
  • [15:09:30] <thurgood> there are non console versions available already
  • [15:13:14] <thurgood> err, not not console.... console only
  • [15:14:16] <samael> seven__: take a look at the rcnelson's images, they come without X at all
  • [15:16:37] <seven__> i need to strip it to the core , just keep kernel and totally basic services...keeping a foor
  • [15:17:01] <seven__> keeping a footprint of less than 200MB.
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  • [15:17:35] <LetoThe2nd> debian is actually not really meant for being rebuilt from source.
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  • [15:18:14] <LetoThe2nd> if you think you need debian and go even smaller, look at the emdebian project, and the embedded debian stuff by linutronix
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  • [15:19:36] <LetoThe2nd> if on the other hand you insist on building from source, you will need to use a system thats meant for that (anything oe-based, for example)
  • [15:20:13] <seven__> i am working on a project that is tried and testen on debian. I dont mind using Angstrom but then i have to rebuild all the packages there which is failing for multiple reasons. My solution works on a desktop release of debian. Now i am happy with that, but what comes in the stock image of debian is unnecessary so i want to get rid of all that extra stuff that it comes shipped in, specially all the dev libraries and the UI.
  • [15:20:54] <seven__> I need to build it for beaglebone black. currently following "https://github.com/beagleboard/image-builder/blob/master/beagleboard.org_image.sh" am i on the right path?
  • [15:21:13] <LetoThe2nd> seven__: like already said: there is the console only image. there are various attempts available to go even smaller. but debian does not recompile easily ;)
  • [15:21:49] <LetoThe2nd> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Debian_Image_Testing_Snapshots
  • [15:21:53] <LetoThe2nd> -> console images
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  • [15:25:38] <samael> seven__: i have a software with very similar requirements, i use the console images and just made a script to remove the unnecessary packages, services and files that i don't need. the footprint is not as low as 200M, but i'm pretty ok, YMMV
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  • [15:32:28] <seven__> ok, i'l get the console image and try. :) thanks guys.
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  • [15:38:18] <seven__> i extracted the console image, its coming to around 1.7GB. Now is tht the final size of the full OS????
  • [15:40:01] <LetoThe2nd> seven__: image != filesystem != filesystem contents.
  • [15:41:06] <seven__> thanks
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  • [15:45:29] <lns> I have a BBB, and recently received a USB audio device (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2). When I plug the 2i2 into a powered USB hub, and then into the BBB, the USB power light doesn't come on the 2i2. I can use the same hub and plug it into my PC and it works fine...any ideas here? Even plugging the 2i2 directly into the BBB yields the same results. No log entries that I can find when plugging the device.
  • [15:46:17] <LetoThe2nd> lns: well usb+bbb can be very, very picky and frustrating
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  • [15:47:26] <lns> LetoThe2nd, =( I was very much hoping to tackle usb audio under BBB, is there anything I can do to try to work around this?
  • [15:47:40] <atsampso1> seven__: if you want a small Debian installation, start with debootstrap (which you can do from a faster machine using qemu) -- that'll give you a minimal system and you can install what you want
  • [15:48:24] <atsampso1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch/QemuDebootstrap is a reasonable overview
  • [15:48:45] <LetoThe2nd> lns: not from my side, i have no experience there. but the reports in this channel hav been very mixed, from "does not work at all" over "works when plugged in on boot" to "works as intended".
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  • [15:51:50] <lns> well that's gonna eliminate the BBB from being the device that I use for my project then! ty for the info LetoThe2nd
  • [15:52:08] <LetoThe2nd> YW
  • [15:52:14] <lns> Interesting that the 2i2 experiences this problem but my Tascam US-100 USB Audio interface, which is very similar, works ootb
  • [15:52:45] <LetoThe2nd> you might dig deeper in comparing which drivers they use and usb class, maybe theres just a module missing.
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  • [15:52:55] <LetoThe2nd> (and their power consumption)
  • [15:53:05] <LetoThe2nd> but no guarantees.
  • [15:53:54] <lns> LetoThe2nd, yeah - I confirmed that the 2i2 works under debian jesse (amd64) on my desktop, but yeah - obviously a different kernel will yield different results
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  • [16:05:09] <micr0> hmm, so g_multi is only showing /dev/ttyACM0 , no /dev/ttyGS0, so I can't screen into the console. Any suggestions?
  • [16:06:58] <jkridner> micr0: how recent is your image? At least all the Debian images should have a terminal on the port.
  • [16:07:12] <jkridner> micr0: did you press <ENTER>?
  • [16:07:22] <jkridner> did you use I think 115200 as the baud?
  • [16:07:23] <tbr> micr0: ACM0 is on the PC side and GS0 on the slave side usually
  • [16:07:28] <micr0> jkridner: screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200
  • [16:07:33] <micr0> exits immediately
  • [16:07:50] <micr0> g_multi is working on my host, as I can mount /dev/sdb /mnt/beaglebone fine
  • [16:08:03] <micr0> I haven't tried ethernet over USB yet from my host, as I have no idea how I would do that
  • [16:08:12] <micr0> maybe set dnsmaq to run as a dhcp server on my laptop?
  • [16:08:28] <jkridner> what does ifconfig say?
  • [16:08:29] <tbr> IIRC it comes up with a fixed address
  • [16:08:59] <jkridner> it should come up fixed to 192.168.7.2 and give the new adapter on your computer the address 192.168.7.1
  • [16:09:01] <micr0> ohh I needed sudo permissions, for screen /dev/ttyACM0 works now :)
  • [16:09:09] <jkridner> so, ssh root@192.168.7.2 should work fine.
  • [16:09:24] <jkridner> micr0: there you go.
  • [16:09:48] <tbr> micr0: depending on your distribution adding yourself to a group like "modem" would work too (after you log out and in again)
  • [16:10:07] <tbr> a ls -la /dev/ttyACM0 would tell you
  • [16:10:09] <micr0> well I don't have any interface on the host side with an ip address in 192.168.*.*
  • [16:10:28] <micr0> tbr: root/dialout. Time to add me to the dialout group
  • [16:10:36] <tbr> yarr
  • [16:10:39] <micr0> from the beaglebone side, usb0 is .7.2
  • [16:10:50] <tbr> try "ifconfig -a"
  • [16:11:09] <tbr> the interface might have appeared as usb0 or ethX
  • [16:11:31] <tbr> you might need to configure it manually or just start a dhclient on it or something
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  • [16:16:44] <vinu> Hi I have beaglebone black and I want to use it as a gateway in my wireless network, which will be up for 24hrs a day for about a month atlease.
  • [16:17:00] <vinu> So how reliable performance will it give??
  • [16:17:09] <micr0> tbr: ip a shows nothing new, i'll check dmesg
  • [16:18:06] <tbr> vinu: I personally would not use the BBB as an wireless access point or router
  • [16:18:30] <vinu> Could you please elaborate why??
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  • [16:21:59] <vinu> please suggest me why should I not use BBB as gateway or router
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  • [16:23:39] <atsampso1> I used a BBB as my home router quite happily for several months with the 3.8 kernel...
  • [16:24:33] <atsampso1> (I did try a mainline kernel on it, but couldn't get it to run without rebooting every couple of days -- however, I didn't try very hard to debug that, since 3.8 worked fine...)
  • [16:27:21] <tbr> I'd be concerned about the USB stability
  • [16:28:13] <atsampso1> I should note that I wasn't using USB, then (routing between VLANs)
  • [16:29:29] <honestly> oh.
  • [16:29:42] <honestly> I just created a debian armel system with an armhf kernel.
  • [16:29:45] <honestly> I wonder if that boots.
  • [16:29:53] <honestly> sudo sync
  • [16:29:56] <honestly> whoops
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  • [16:31:39] <honestly> it's certainly *trying* to boot, lol
  • [16:31:45] <honestly> and it's up
  • [16:31:58] <honestly> but with a very short boot
  • [16:32:00] <honestly> weeeeird
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  • [16:32:49] <honestly> mm, the serial terminal just came up very early apparently
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  • [16:38:11] <vinu> what is your concern about usb stability??
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  • [16:44:40] <tbr> vinu: the lack of it
  • [16:44:59] <vinu> lack of it??
  • [16:45:02] <tbr> atsampso1: ok, between VLANs might work pretty well.
  • [16:45:09] * lns waves to tbr =)
  • [16:45:28] <vinu> lack of what??
  • [16:45:29] <tbr> lns: ~o~
  • [16:45:43] <tbr> > what is your concern about usb stability?? > vinu: the lack of it
  • [16:46:48] <lns> vinu, for instance, my new USB audio device isn't powering up with BBB, even when connected via powered USB hub
  • [16:48:02] <lns> other devices seem sporadic in their stability as well. For example, USB wifi adapter experiences ~3-15% packet loss when pinging my gateway, whereas ethernet connection experiences 0% loss. Not a signal quality issue either as my gateway is in the same room
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  • [16:52:00] <vinu> but I have zigbee pro adapter connected to BBB using USB and which will only receive from around 10 nodes and put data on USB for BBB to read on USB
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  • [16:52:53] <vinu> Traffic is managed by zigbeepro adapter so BBB has to just receive data every 5 mins on USB and just send one HTTP request over network
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  • [16:53:30] <tbr> try and find out
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  • [18:01:33] <honestly> gurki: IT LIIIIVES *mad laughter*
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  • [18:02:46] <honestly> gurki: so I set up an armel debian, with an armhf kernel, and installed all the fancy libs I needed for that armel binary (libgtk and stuff like that), and then added libc6:armhf which installs without conflicts
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  • [18:11:32] <yates> does anyone have a .dts (device tree source) file for debian 3.8.13-bone64 for the beaglebone black that allows all the P8 and P9 signals to be used by a custom cape which does not have a cape EEPROM?
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  • [18:17:40] <jkridner> yates: like cape-universal?
  • [18:18:03] <jkridner> yates: See https://github.com/cdsteinkuehler/beaglebone-universal-io
  • [18:18:19] <yates> jkridner: i'll have a look - thanks much!
  • [18:18:28] <jkridner> honestly: that works?
  • [18:22:40] <honestly> jkridner: can't you tell by the mad laughter?
  • [18:22:48] <jkridner> :-)
  • [18:23:17] <jkridner> honestly: you doing multilib support work or just having fun?
  • [18:23:43] <honestly> sooo I'm setting up a BBxM image for students in a lab course
  • [18:24:01] <honestly> they'll use the Arm DS-5 Studio
  • [18:24:17] <honestly> and one of the sample apps there is a precompiled gnometris
  • [18:24:25] <honestly> precompiled for armel
  • [18:24:33] <honestly> but of course I want them to be able to use hardfloat
  • [18:24:36] <honestly> so yeah
  • [18:24:41] <honestly> "doing multilib support work"
  • [18:26:25] <micr0> where is there info on why c24 is the register used in PRU asm examples when calling SCBO? (ex: SBCO r4, c24, 0, 4)
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  • [18:32:47] <yates> micr0: it could be by definition of SCB0, i.e., c24 is the register used to pass a parameter.
  • [18:33:59] <mantler> I want to be able to compile my applications on host using cross-compile andI wonder i anyone fo you has a guide on how to setup an environment for the beaglebone black on host? Im thinking that I need to use some form of chroot/debootstrap and tounpack the .img file into that place tobe able to link against necesary libs? Makes sense?
  • [18:35:30] <mantler> Sorry for spelling, I have such terrible input lag on my keyboard at the moment.
  • [18:36:16] <yates> micr0: can you pastebin the asm code, or provide a pointer?
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  • [18:40:52] <veremit> mantler .. you're making it complicated .. all you need is a toolchain .. what distro do you use?
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  • [18:43:02] <mantler> veremit, debian.
  • [18:43:51] <mantler> veremit, I installed the toolchain.But what if I need to link against for example pthread? Isn't pthread arm version required?
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  • [18:51:36] <veremit> you'll need to build it .. but your toolchain should handle that
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  • [18:54:47] <jkridner> honestly: would be great to see the write-up you make in the end.
  • [18:56:00] <honestly> jkridner: mm, lessee
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  • [19:03:28] <mantler> veremit, so I installed the arm-none-eabi-gcc on debian.Do you think that will handle the building of necesary libs when I build my app?
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  • [19:04:02] <veremit> mantler .. not entirely, but it will tell you what you need :)
  • [19:05:19] <mantler> veremit, OK. Good, thanks!
  • [19:07:36] <mantler> veremit, yeah, it told me lots of /usr/lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.8/../../../arm-none-eabi/lib/libc.a(lib_a-exit.o): In function `exit':
  • [19:07:36] <mantler> /home/tin/projects/debian/arm-toolchain/collab-maint/newlib/build/arm-none-eabi/newlib/libc/stdlib/../../../../../newlib/libc/stdlib/exit.c:70: undefined reference to `_exit'
  • [19:07:39] <mantler> :)
  • [19:09:01] <KotH> mantler: use the build system of your embedded distribution
  • [19:09:10] <mantler> Juts needed to add a -specs=nosys.specs
  • [19:09:11] <KotH> mantler: anything else will be a lot of work with very little benefit
  • [19:09:54] <mantler> KotH, But do you mean that I should build on target?
  • [19:10:03] <KotH> mantler: no
  • [19:10:16] <KotH> mantler: i dont promote unethical builds ;)
  • [19:10:25] <mantler> KotH, :)
  • [19:11:15] <mantler> KotH, And how do I get my embedded dist build system on host? I am running debian on host and on target.
  • [19:11:23] <KotH> mantler: but, if you want to build an application for your embedded system, you will need to compile against some libraries. your buildsystem takes care of this. getting the correct libraries linked against your code by hand is a waste of time imho
  • [19:11:46] <KotH> there should be some documentation how debian builds its stuff
  • [19:11:48] <KotH> use that
  • [19:11:56] <KotH> i doubt they do native builds ;)
  • [19:12:02] <mantler> KotH, Ok. I will look into it.
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  • [19:39:57] <micr0> how do I tell my linux laptop to share internet through its ethernet port to the beaglebone?
  • [19:40:14] <micr0> (i'm on systemd and have no idea how systemd / the ip tools work)
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  • [19:55:44] <veremit> you'll need to do something called 'Masquerading' using iptables.
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  • [19:56:54] <micr0> ahh cool veremit
  • [19:56:59] <micr0> i'll read about that
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  • [19:59:39] <gurki> honestly: yaaay :)
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  • [20:29:55] <Mavrick_> alguem do brazil?
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  • [20:56:28] <nofxx> Mavrick_, falae!
  • [20:56:30] <thurgood> micr0: you can also use firestarter to help in the process
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  • [21:06:12] <yates> why am i getting "X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0" when i ssh -YC in?
  • [21:06:33] <yates> this is the console non-flash debian 3.8.13-bone64 version
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  • [21:07:59] <honestly> did you install xserver-xorg
  • [21:08:27] <honestly> because if not that'd be why
  • [21:09:40] <yates> honestly: i am ssh-ing in from my desktop, which has an xserver. why do i need xserver-xorg on the bbb?
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  • [21:10:02] <honestly> because X forwarding doesn't work without an X server.
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  • [21:10:48] <honestly> there isn't anything to forward if there isn't a running X11 on the beagle board.
  • [21:10:55] <yates> i didn't know that.
  • [21:11:09] <jkridner> honestly: that's not true.
  • [21:11:22] <honestly> jkridner: since when?
  • [21:11:25] <jkridner> oh...
  • [21:11:42] <jkridner> only the client needs to be running an X11 server...
  • [21:11:47] <honestly> huh?
  • [21:11:52] <yates> yeah, huh?
  • [21:11:52] <jkridner> the BeagleBone does not...
  • [21:11:58] <honestly> of course it does.
  • [21:12:03] <jkridner> of course it does not.
  • [21:12:14] <yates> does - does not - does - does not.....
  • [21:12:34] * yates glances back and forth rapidly, awaiting a winner
  • [21:12:39] <jkridner> an X11 server is a DISPLAY.... an application merely sends the information to the server to be rendered.
  • [21:13:04] <honestly> okay.
  • [21:13:13] <honestly> xauth needs to be installed on the client.
  • [21:13:13] <yates> jkridner: so why am i getting that error, and why doesn't my bbb emacs display in x11 mode instead of terminal mode?
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  • [21:15:14] <jkridner> yates: likely it is a lack of xauth. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/111519/ssh-returns-message-x11-forwarding-request-failed-on-channel-1
  • [21:16:20] <jkridner> Note dependencies don't include the actual server, just the libraries: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xauth
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  • [21:19:16] * jkridner is still looking for a place on the web that says explicitly what I know from experience.
  • [21:19:22] <jkridner> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System#Client.E2.80.93server_separation isn't all that helpful
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  • [21:19:52] <honestly> the german debian wiki does :P
  • [21:20:00] <honestly> well
  • [21:20:05] <honestly> *a* german debian wiki
  • [21:21:31] <jkridner> anyway, you just need the client libs, not the server. Been doing that for years with BeagleBoards/BeagleBones, though I usually do end up installing a server at least over VNC.
  • [21:21:44] <jkridner> Have done it without though.
  • [21:21:50] <yates> this channel rocks - thanks!
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  • [21:23:30] <jkridner> freebsd answer: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-July/252006.html :-(
  • [21:23:41] <jkridner> yates: so, you did it w/o installing an X server, right?
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  • [21:23:48] <jkridner> so, we can put that to bed? :-)
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  • [21:24:40] <yates> well, it's not quite done, but yes, all i've done so far is install xauth and its dependency, libxmuu1
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  • [21:25:23] <yates> hmm, yes it IS working
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  • [21:26:34] <tawr> hi guys, i'm having a massive brainfart. I can't seem t remember how to flash/boot from a uSD card on my BBB
  • [21:27:00] <veremit> hold boot button?!
  • [21:27:15] <yates> tawr: it's in the system reference manual
  • [21:27:26] <yates> (is there a bot to spit such things out here?)
  • [21:27:30] <tawr> i'm aware, i've tried about 10x now
  • [21:27:30] <veremit> at beagleboard.org
  • [21:27:38] <tawr> i hold S2 (boot)
  • [21:27:40] <tawr> then apply power
  • [21:27:56] <tawr> either by barrel jack or usb, the power light comes on, no other leds light and nothing happens
  • [21:28:06] <yates> as i rememver you have to hold it for a long time, like 45 seconds or more
  • [21:28:18] <veremit> does it work with the eMMC .. otherwise you have a dead beagle
  • [21:28:31] <tawr> yes veremit it boots and functions just fine
  • [21:28:36] <jkridner> yates: stupid BeagleBot only takes notes right now, but patches accepted for his code at http://github.com/beagleboard/beagleboard-org
  • [21:28:39] <veremit> ok your uSD is bad then
  • [21:28:41] <tawr> i had flashed it to debian when I first got it
  • [21:28:49] <thurgood> you only have to hold it for about 5 seconds, long enough to start the flasher
  • [21:28:54] <tawr> and i had usd mounted as spare storage for my webserver
  • [21:29:03] <tawr> so the micro sd card works just fine
  • [21:29:09] <veremit> if you hook up a serial debug lead .. I suspect it'll come up with CCCCCCCC to indicate it cannot read the card.
  • [21:29:22] <jkridner> bborg_builds bot only knows how to tell you about the autobuilder.
  • [21:29:27] <tawr> i just am trying to flash ubuntu and am using their automatic script to setup the sd card
  • [21:29:32] <tawr> sorry, not flash. boot.
  • [21:30:00] <veremit> I can recommend the instructions at eewiki.net :)
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  • [21:30:05] <tawr> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Trusty_14.04
  • [21:31:08] <tawr> md5 matched, used their script to build this usd card.. same card used to originally flash debian as well
  • [21:31:32] <veremit> how are you md5'in the card?
  • [21:31:48] <veremit> the image may be fine, but what's written to the card still may not match ;)
  • [21:31:58] <tawr> hmm i suppose
  • [21:32:28] <tawr> i dont see how the image could be corrupted, this is a new usd card that flashed the board originally about 30 days ago
  • [21:32:50] <veremit> could just be a glitch in writing
  • [21:33:09] <veremit> it does take a long time often to complete writing uSD cards
  • [21:33:20] <thurgood> pretty rare, but it does happen
  • [21:33:21] <tawr> i've tried 3 different images, including the emmc 'dumper'
  • [21:33:45] <tawr> to save the emmc to img, so i could have a backup of debian all setup incase i dont like ubuntu, same problem trying to boot the sd card
  • [21:33:59] <veremit> hmm strange
  • [21:34:03] <tawr> everything works fine including the bbb reading/seeing/mounting/writing to the sd card
  • [21:34:14] <tawr> but when i hold boot to boot it.. i just get a power light and no other leds :/
  • [21:35:30] <veremit> I'd recommend a serial debug and see if anything comes up
  • [21:35:51] <tawr> next question, i do not have a 3.3 ftdi. i do have a bunch of arduinos (all 5v)
  • [21:36:10] <tawr> can i use one of those without a level shifter?
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  • [21:37:06] <thurgood> tawr are you holding the button near the sd, or the one near the mini usb port?
  • [21:37:45] <tawr> thurgood, by the sd card (S2)
  • [21:38:00] <thurgood> 'k just making sure :)
  • [21:38:03] <tawr> damn
  • [21:38:06] <tawr> you got my hopes up
  • [21:38:07] <heeen> hi. I'm running ubuntu on my BBB and I get this message multiple times per second in dmesg
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  • [21:38:26] <heeen> [ 79.538963] Loading kernel module for a network device with CAP_SYS_MODULE (deprecated). Use CAP_NET_ADMIN and alias netdev- instead.
  • [21:38:46] <heeen> kernel just updated
  • [21:38:47] <tawr> actually
  • [21:38:50] <tawr> i just thought of something veremit
  • [21:38:54] <heeen> and udev also just got an update
  • [21:39:03] <tawr> the only thing that has changed is i cut a lexan baseplate and mounted the BBB on insulated standoffs
  • [21:39:15] <heeen> 3.8.13-bone65
  • [21:39:23] <tawr> i suppose it's possible one of them is shorting something out with the screw.. yet somehow does not affect anything else.
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  • [21:39:43] <veremit> possibly worth eliminating the possibility ...
  • [21:39:48] <tawr> http://i.imgur.com/5yGjlVr.jpg
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  • [21:46:24] <kamileon> I just flashed ubuntu 14.04 to the eMMC, can I expand the memory to use the sd card as well?
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  • [21:48:16] <yates> jkridner: i'm trying to run the example you pointed me to, https://github.com/cdsteinkuehler/beaglebone-universal-io
  • [21:48:44] <thurgood> kamileon: you could mount the sd under the emmc's filesystem, but you can't actually merge two filesystems like that
  • [21:49:12] <yates> but when i "echo cape-universal > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots" i get "echo: write error: File exists"
  • [21:49:27] <Guest62213> Can't get a service file to run on bootup using systemd, also tried the .sh way, anyone had similar problems?
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  • [21:50:19] <yates> indeed there is a "slots" file there
  • [21:52:44] <kamileon> thurgood: thanks, thats what i thought but wanted to make sure there were no other options
  • [21:53:55] <ds2> or you can undo the crap the Ubuntu and other distros do
  • [21:53:59] <ds2> then just xhost + and test away
  • [21:54:20] <ds2> insecure, sure...but this is assuming you have a closed and controlled environment
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  • [21:58:55] <yates> jkridner: the existing slots: http://paste.debian.net/121364/
  • [21:59:40] <jkridner> yates: try 'cape-universaln'
  • [22:00:16] <yates> yes!
  • [22:00:29] <jkridner> cape-universal conflicts with the HDMI audio, but cape-universaln will work with it.
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  • [22:04:04] <tawr> i found a video of my problem veremit -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UuNNiwHWFU what happened during the first 'attempt' in this video
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  • [22:05:48] <yates> jkridner: so the kernel signals a problem (conflict) by returning the write file error?
  • [22:06:34] <jkridner> yates: potentially, yes.
  • [22:07:40] <veremit> tawr .. I've actually had a bricked beagle that does that without the sd or eemmc booting .. I know what you're talking about.
  • [22:08:19] <tawr> ffs
  • [22:08:22] <tawr> no
  • [22:08:24] <tawr> i just fixed it
  • [22:08:31] <veremit> what was wrong, then?!
  • [22:08:32] <tawr> i used a screwdriver and pushed the hell out of the button
  • [22:08:37] <veremit> haha nice
  • [22:08:40] <tawr> like 10 pounds on the button
  • [22:08:44] <tawr> it clicks easily
  • [22:08:46] <tawr> by finger
  • [22:08:53] <veremit> they're pretty evil buttons tbh
  • [22:08:56] <tawr> but i just pushed very hard
  • [22:09:01] <tawr> and it booted lol
  • [22:09:05] <tawr> ffs
  • [22:09:28] <veremit> haha
  • [22:09:41] <veremit> oh well .. you've sorted .. so thats good :D
  • [22:10:21] <tawr> yeah
  • [22:10:25] <tawr> i cannot believe this was the problem
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  • [22:12:34] <veremit> improbable huh!? :)
  • [22:12:51] <tawr> the good news is i'm going ahead and dumping the emmc image of debian that's all setup and ready to go, before i install ubuntu (which is what i wanted to do in the first place..)
  • [22:14:06] <tawr> at least we know for future reference, the judicious use of absurd amounts of force are necessary. put it right under "Percussive Maintenance"
  • [22:14:09] <tawr> which is where I was headed
  • [22:14:10] <yates> jkridner: that did not change the mmc1 pinmuxing. i thought that's what the cape-univ-emmc-00A0.dts is for, but echo cape-univ-emmc > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots gave me another "write error: File exists"
  • [22:14:39] <jkridner> yates: the flash uses the mmc1 interface on the pins.
  • [22:14:47] <jkridner> you have to disable the on-board flash to recover those pins.
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  • [22:15:06] <yates> is there a jumper on the board for that?
  • [22:15:58] <yates> and how much do i owe you?
  • [22:16:06] <yates> you've saved my ass, jkridner
  • [22:16:35] <jkridner> yates: no jumper, but you have to run off of the external uSD card and adjust the boot parameters.
  • [22:18:52] <yates> jkridner: also i'm a little confused: does the "echo" technique only configure for that boot session? in other words, does a reboot reset everything? if so, then how do you get it to "stick" over reboots?
  • [22:19:22] <yates> just configure an init script or somesuch?
  • [22:20:12] <jkridner> add cape_disable=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONE-EMMC-2G to the uenv.txt file on the uSD card
  • [22:20:26] <jkridner> That is "cape_disable=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONE-EMMC-2G" on one line by itself
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  • [22:21:19] <yates> you mean the /boot/uEnv.txt file?
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  • [22:24:46] <yates> also, i need to access all the LCD_ lines on P8 as well, e.g., pins 27-46. is that possible?
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  • [22:26:24] <yates> ignore that LCD statement - i have to double-check.
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  • [22:35:10] <ds2> I wonder if precussively maintained BBB's are covered in the warantee ;)
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  • [22:56:38] <nofxx> Anywhere cheaper than $70 for a BBB?
  • [22:56:56] <nofxx> btw, no one selling it more barebones? Only smd no connectors for instance
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  • [23:19:03] <yates> jkridner: ps: thanks for all the great info.
  • [23:19:04] <yates> precussive: Word not found...
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