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[00:00:25] * Topic is 'http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient | pastebin a boot log | http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Black_Boot_explained.svg | BBB is being sold faster than produced. Order one and wait. There is no other way. | http://beagleboard.org/latest-images | http://beagleboard.org/Support/bone101'
[00:00:25] * Set by KotH!~attila@lou-outside.kinali.ch on Fri Apr 18 13:56:18 UTC 2014
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[02:12:55] <tpw_rules> http://pastie.org/private/xqyayxodvbliikclxhhoa is there a working debian image i can write to an sd card?
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[02:30:11] <tpw_rules> or can somebody build one? i don't have all the toolchain set up
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[02:39:56] <tpw_rules> ah hah apparently it didn't flash properly
[02:39:58] <tpw_rules> seems to be happier now
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[08:02:16] <Rotti> hi
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[11:19:45] <dnivra> Hello everyone! I'm debugging an OS for beagleboard-xM on qemu. I get a floating point exception when trying to write to CM_CLKSEL_DSS(0x48004E40). I read the OMAP35x TRM and I understand that the location is RW and so I don't understand why it faults. I looked around but couldn't find useful info and so any help/insight into what's going wrong would be great.
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[11:20:18] <woglinde> qemu is not the real hw
[11:21:09] <dnivra> true; it could be a qemu bug. But I'm just not certain how I could verify.
[11:21:33] <woglinde> try it und the real hw?
[11:21:37] <woglinde> args on
[11:21:49] <woglinde> damn typos
[11:22:22] <dnivra> true; unfortunately I don't have the hardware so I'm kinda stuck with qemu for now.
[11:22:49] <woglinde> dont know if one here will try it for you
[11:22:57] <woglinde> most have bones now
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[12:49:13] <leandrosansilva> Hello to all. Is there a way to tell beaglebone black not to use power supplied by usb but only by the external one? I need to keep a BBB communicating with a PC via USB but using an external power supply but, when it's interrupted, beagle must turn off
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[13:33:23] <Guest98178> Hi Group, what do I need to do to get GL-ES working on BBB ? thanks!
[13:34:18] <XorA> a miracle
[13:35:16] <Guest98178> oh, that's easy... :( I purchased a couple of boards becaust GL-ES was part of the spec....
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[13:36:04] <XorA> Guest98178: I don't actually know, I beleive it is possible with certain kernels
[13:36:20] <XorA> but GL-ES is always a PITA due to closed source bits
[13:36:47] <Guest98178> that's what I read, but as I'd like to base something on it that needs (future) support, I'd rather use an official working release of OS and drivers....
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[13:37:55] <Guest98178> on the slower RPI GL-ES works as advertised, but the BBB's clock speed and number of PIO's won me over
[13:38:01] <thurgood> do you need it for console, or X windows?
[13:38:25] <Guest98178> mobile device that graphically displays measurement data in realtime...
[13:38:45] <Guest98178> so likely an x-windows without elaborate gui
[13:38:45] <XorA> for 2d GFX you don't need GL
[13:39:05] <Guest98178> it's 3D I'm afraid.
[13:39:31] <thurgood> robert nelson has it working for console in a 3.13 kernel
[13:39:34] <Guest98178> As it is (or was?) part of the specs, I
[13:39:44] <Guest98178> find it odd that nobody really is in rage over it..
[13:40:11] <XorA> Guest98178: Imagination Technology have been annoying us for over 10 years now, we ran out of rage
[13:40:20] <XorA> they basically hate linux
[13:40:51] <Guest98178> ok, and still hanging out around here? Any decent alternatives, like a faster RPI ?
[13:41:10] <XorA> Cubieboard? its got a Mali
[13:41:20] <Guest98178> thurgood: that's good to know...
[13:41:21] <XorA> not used it personally
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[13:41:29] <Guest98178> checking now...
[13:41:48] <XorA> I would check software state before buying hardware if you need 3d
[13:42:23] <XorA> Minnowboard Max probably has the best 3D of any embedded board
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[13:46:53] <Guest98178> ok, thanks for all your responses - will need some more time to dig into this. Thanks again
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[13:47:13] <XorA> a happy customer for once :-D
[13:48:23] <thurgood> heh
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[13:50:13] <thurgood> are there any open source boards or at least boards available in high quantity with specs comparable to say the ODroid-U3
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[13:52:11] <Decessus> thurgood, I've seen a couple here and there, but that has to be the best price for the hardware I've seen
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[13:53:06] <thurgood> not as concerned with price as quality/specs and availability
[13:54:34] <notserpe> leandrosansilva: in theory you could query pmic status register via i2c and see if AC power is present and if not powerdown.
[13:54:37] <Decessus> Quality is not going to be there, in the few I've seen. Most have been low-quality chineese boards
[13:54:48] <thurgood> ah
[13:55:22] <Decessus> thurgood, what do you plan on using that horse power on?
[13:55:45] <thurgood> 3d graphics mostly
[13:57:18] <Decessus> Well, if you want power and availability..nVidia is coming out with a tablet ;p
[13:57:57] <thurgood> doing some on a classic beagleboard based board, but we're barely getting by on speed and ram
[13:58:16] <thurgood> looking to upgrade to something more modern, probably android based
[13:58:36] <Decessus> thurgood, is it a BB white or black?
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[13:59:18] <thurgood> pre beaglebone
[13:59:41] <Decessus> And android is a matter of software, and if it's on android you will loose a *lot* of raw performance
[13:59:46] <thurgood> looked at the bb as an upgrade but it's unworkable
[14:00:01] <thurgood> that's why we need the big jump in power :P
[14:00:12] <XorA> thurgood: something with rk3188
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[14:00:22] <Decessus> thurgood, are you sure? The black edition's processor is able to execute at twice it's clock speed
[14:00:49] <XorA> thurgood: pretty cheap and there are some fairly decent chinese machines made with it
[14:00:51] <thurgood> yeah, bb rev c barely runs android
[14:01:12] <thurgood> and it's 16 bit color depth is a real kill-joy
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[14:02:35] <Decessus> thurgood, well, I still think you will get far better results with BBB vs any android board under 2.56GHz quad
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[14:12:43] <XorA> thurgood: there is always the Arndale Octaboard which is a bit of a monster :-)
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[14:13:39] <ccbb> hi all
[14:13:48] <ccbb> i have a problem
[14:13:59] <ccbb> i buy a tplink TL-WN722N
[14:14:29] <ccbb> but when i connect it with BBB, it's not work
[14:14:45] <ccbb> i used usb hub power already
[14:15:19] <ccbb> how can i make it work now?
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[14:15:57] <ccbb> my pc run ubuntu, i the tplink work well on it
[14:16:12] <ccbb> s/i/and/
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[15:46:28] <jhn> Is thee a reason why the latest images are packed .xz? Some platforms out there ship without a built in .xz decoder.
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[15:48:47] <Rickta59> https://www.kernel.org/happy-new-year-and-good-bye-bzip2.html jhn
[15:50:57] <jhn> I am perfectly happy with .gz - but again, a format was chosen, that has not yet found it’s way into every tar.
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[16:06:15] <tpw_rules> anybody used the built-in can devices? i'm having trouble with them
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[16:08:00] <jhn> Oh, let me know of any solution - also awaiting CAN usage RSN.
[16:08:37] <tpw_rules> canconfig from TI's guide fails with dcan1
[16:08:50] <tpw_rules> you do need transceivers, there's no way to work without that
[16:09:40] <jhn> Tranceivers are understood.
[16:10:27] <tpw_rules> i don't have my scope handy though >:(
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[16:16:10] <tpw_rules> bah, canconfig doesn't like the can1 name. it doesn't matter which order the two are registered in
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[16:17:09] <jhn> U kno that link: http://www.embedded-things.com/bbb/enable-canbus-on-the-beaglebone-black/
[16:17:40] <tpw_rules> yes
[16:17:47] <tpw_rules> can0 seems to be working fine
[16:17:49] <tpw_rules> but can1 won't
[16:17:58] <tpw_rules> even if can0 == dcan0 and vice versa
[16:18:01] <tpw_rules> or the other eway
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[16:49:44] <jhn> OK Messieurs, serious trouble ahead with .xz files. D/L the latest Debian image, tar xf: Unrecognized archive format. D/L again, diff: Identical, same error.
[16:50:36] <tpw_rules> use 'xz'
[16:50:43] <tpw_rules> they're LZMA, i don't think tar can work with them
[16:51:07] <tpw_rules> xz -d -v file | dd of=/dev/card
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[16:51:16] <XorA> use capital J for xz files
[16:51:30] <tpw_rules> or do that apparently
[16:51:45] <jhn> Then D/L linux headers fromhttp://www.armhf.com/boards/beaglebone-black/ as .xz: perfect decompression.
[16:52:29] <tpw_rules> what
[16:52:54] <jhn> Then i file-d the d/L: file tells me for each that it is xz compressed data
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[16:55:30] <jhn> Then I continued to create some tar files witz gzip, bzip, and xz compression on my system: all were detected fine and automatically uncompressed. There is no need to tell tar what format the file has.
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[16:56:25] <jhn> And even helping tar with xfJ does not help.
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[17:00:37] <thurgood> f should come last as far as I can remember
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[17:05:07] <jhn> xJf doesn’t cut it either.
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[17:08:29] <XorA> jhn: I was answering tpw_rules when he asked about tar support
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[17:14:56] <jhn> OK, big question: Could anyone try D/L the http://debian.beagleboard.org/images/bone-debian-7.5-2014-05-14-2gb.img.xz and tell me what his experiences are?
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[17:16:15] <tpw_rules> it worked for me last night
[17:16:25] <tpw_rules> curl <url> | xz -d -v --stdout | dd of=/dev/sdcard
[17:16:33] <jhn> F*F*F*F*F*F*FF*F*F
[17:16:58] <tpw_rules> excuse me
[17:17:29] <jhn> If there is any of the slightest possibility of a rproblem, i will cat it.
[17:17:51] <jhn> catch it I mean. A L W A Y S
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[17:20:04] <jhn> MD5 is correct as well. So I csn create xz files, decompress xz files at will, but NOT the bone one. Any ideas on how to proceed?
[17:20:21] <tpw_rules> does it work with xz?
[17:20:35] <tpw_rules> remember it's a blob. not an archive
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[17:22:41] <jhn> Mgmt lsummary: I can compress and decompress my own xz files.
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[17:23:32] <jhn> I can decompress http://s3.armhf.com/dist/bone/linux-headers-3.14.4.1-bone-armhf.com.tar.xz
[17:24:01] <jhn> I am unable to decompress http://debian.beagleboard.org/images/bone-debian-7.5-2014-05-14-2gb.img.xz
[17:24:05] <jhn> Now what?
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[17:26:08] <Humpelst1lzchen> jhn: xz -d bone-debian-7.5-2014-05-14-2gb.img.xz works for me
[17:26:51] <jhn> That is fine for you. For me it unfortunately it does NOT work.
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[17:27:36] <Humpelst1lzchen> just answering your question from 19:14:10 gmt+2, I don't need the image
[17:27:37] <jhn> Are there other sources for the img that are packed with anpother tool? Like with gz?
[17:29:30] <tpw_rules> what does not work mean?
[17:30:04] <tpw_rules> int sndbuf = 32768; setsockopt(fd, SOL_SOCKET, SO_SNDBUF, (void *)&sndbuf, sizeof(sndbuf)); <-- what in the actual fuck?
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[17:46:32] <tpw_rules> the best part about open source: it can be buggy as shit because anybody who uses it can fix it themselves >:(
[17:49:09] <myself> or at least whine about it
[17:49:17] <myself> that's my method ;)
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[18:22:32] <jhn> tpw_rules, I can not decompress the latest and greatest bbb image. Quite AFU to me.
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[18:24:47] <jhn> Again the question: Are there other sources from which I can D/L bone-debian-7.5-2014-05-14, preferably as a .gz?
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[18:31:32] <jhn> What am I to expect of http://s3.armhf.com/dist/bone/debian-wheezy-7.5-rootfs-3.14.4.1-bone-armhf.com.tar.xz? It is only 100 MB whereas the beagle.org image has 492 MB.
[18:35:37] <tpw_rules> what does "not decompress" mean?
[18:38:16] <jhn> tar: Unrecognized archive format
[18:39:33] <tpw_rules> use xz!
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[18:40:44] <Humpelst1lzchen> jhn: did you try to decompress any other xz?
[18:41:07] <jhn> I am able to uncompress http://s3.armhf.com/dist/bone/linux-headers-3.14.4.1-bone-armhf.com.tar.xz
[18:41:32] <jhn> With the very same tar xf
[18:41:54] <jhn> So logic tells me, it can’t be my tar.
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[18:45:05] <Humpelst1lzchen> jhn: what does xz -l bone-debian-7.5-2014-05-14-2gb.img.xz say to you?
[18:46:01] <jhn> Nothing , as I do not have xz. It’s that _other_ U*X OS.
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[18:47:33] <Humpelst1lzchen> uuh?
[18:47:54] <Humpelst1lzchen> jhn: and how do you try to uncompress bone-debian-7.5-2014-05-14-2gb.img.xz
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[18:48:52] <jhn> tar xf like any other xz file.
[18:49:50] <Humpelst1lzchen> jhn: but you did notice that bone-debian-7.5-2014-05-14-2gb.img.xz does not contain a tar?
[18:50:16] <jhn> See my 20:30 and 20:40 entries - both tar xf fine
[18:50:46] <Humpelst1lzchen> jhn: but both files are tars
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[18:51:27] <jhn> True. My understanding is: XZcompresses a single file. Be it a tar or an img.
[18:51:43] <jhn> So I expect to be left with the img after tar xf.
[18:52:22] <jhn> U R right - this is the visible and hence obvious difference.
[18:52:23] <Humpelst1lzchen> jhn: first line: yes
[18:52:30] <jhn> What a F*!
[18:52:52] <Humpelst1lzchen> but tar will throw an error as soon as it doesn't see a tar after uncompressing
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[18:59:09] <tpw_rules> (i told you!)
[19:00:15] <tpw_rules> if it's another unix os, The Unarchiver is a brilliant gui unarchiving utility
[19:00:19] <tpw_rules> or just use brew to install xz
[19:00:44] <tpw_rules> incidentally i got canbus working :D
[19:00:51] <Humpelst1lzchen> what is brew?
[19:01:01] <tpw_rules> osx package manager
[19:01:15] <Humpelst1lzchen> aah apple user. That explains some bits
[19:01:33] <tpw_rules> well i dunno. also i'm an apple user thank you very much :<
[19:01:41] <Humpelst1lzchen> always ;)
[19:02:04] <tpw_rules> now i need to go steal a car and plug my beaglebone in
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[19:09:00] <jhn> I have a car where I can guarantee the BB _WILL_ fail!
[19:10:07] <tpw_rules> define fail
[19:10:55] <jhn> Will not work in the sense of not delivering data. Not a single bit.
[19:11:37] <tpw_rules> well it has two interfaces so it can talk to itself while inside the car
[19:11:57] <jhn> Isn’t brew a multiplatform package mgr?
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[19:12:18] <tpw_rules> not as far as i know
[19:12:31] <jhn> In that case the conversaion will be very deteministic and monotone.
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[19:13:26] <jhn> Are you a woman?
[19:13:50] <tpw_rules> i don't think that's relevant?
[19:14:40] <jhn> There is an old rule by mother nature, taht women are always right. And you are exposing that behaviour… :-)
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[19:17:47] <Cueball> LoL
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[19:19:31] <jhn> tpw_rules Humpelst1lzchen, thx for tracking that down.
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[19:24:38] <jhn> tpw_rules didn’t get the blob thing as I didn’t know that tar will exit if it does not see a tar inside. I installed Unarchiver by now, and was able to extract and mount the image.
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[19:24:59] <tpw_rules> what are you trying to do with it? use disk utility to write it to an sd card or dd
[19:26:29] <jhn> Wanted to see whats in there and hopefully use it for my cross compiler toolchain.
[19:26:33] <tpw_rules> oh
[19:26:38] <tpw_rules> all the binaries are going to be arm
[19:27:09] <jhn> I am more interested in the headers and libs.
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[19:27:44] <jhn> So I can cross compile on the host and just copy over the image.
[19:28:14] <jhn> I can then even cross compile static IIUC.
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[19:32:22] <jacekowski> cross compiling is pita
[19:32:25] <jacekowski> but possible
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[19:38:04] <jhn> Waiting 6 minutes for a compile on the BBB wheras the host needs 30 seconds is _more_ PITA
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[20:05:40] <ds2> cross compiling is easy
[20:05:50] <ds2> ...as long as you avoid autoconf and libtool crap
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[20:25:49] <notserpe> two montreal mayors and one from the 'burbs resigned and all kinds of other incredible stuff but Toronto gets the spotlight for horrendous Canadian city :D
[20:26:04] <notserpe> doh, wrong channel.
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[20:32:36] <xiqy> is it possible to do audio out over hdmi on the bbb *without* a connected display? I.e. bbb -> receiver -> speakers?
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[20:56:34] <tpw_rules> jhn: https://github.com/jsnyder/arm-eabi-toolchain
[20:56:41] <tpw_rules> i don't know anything else, don't ask
[20:58:11] <jhn> You are using exact this on which Mac OS release?
[20:59:20] <tpw_rules> i'm not using it
[20:59:24] <tpw_rules> it looked relevant for you
[20:59:32] <tpw_rules> what do you even need to build?
[20:59:50] <jhn> Ah Ok, got it.
[20:59:57] <tpw_rules> switch to debian if you haven't, it's repos seem better than �ngstrom
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[21:01:07] <jhn> Building a library around can and eth and an application that uses this.
[21:01:38] <tpw_rules> how have you got it to 6 minutes build time? all the can stuff i've been doing couldn't've taken more than 10 seconds
[21:02:19] <jhn> The library dealing with the eth took 6 minutes.
[21:02:27] <tpw_rules> if you're using make properly, that's only necessary once
[21:02:39] <tpw_rules> even if you change it, it will only recompile a small portion
[21:08:13] <jhn> True. Having succeeded at cross compiling Atmel AVR I want to master ARM as well. It is confusing and irritating, but in the end it is just _just_ the right combination of a dozen configure parameters.
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[21:11:21] <tpw_rules> but the arm already has a toolchain. oh well, it's your call
[21:11:29] <notserpe> jhn: welcome to embedded, here's your merit badge!
[21:11:57] <tpw_rules> i got cross compiling working for rpi but i don't remember how
[21:12:32] <tpw_rules> it was for no os though, so i don't think it would apply
[21:13:22] <jhn> Yup, AVR is bare metal as well - this is a _bit_ easier, as you do not need a sysroot.
[21:14:48] <notserpe> jhn: you're familiar with linaro's prebuilt arm toolchains?
[21:15:29] <jhn> Having fallen on my nose and bleeded severely, I want to stay away from prebuilt.
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[21:57:28] <jhn> There is loads of support for BBB running Angström, but zilch for Debian. I have a Rev C in front of me with an uptime of 5 days. I can’t wait until *someone* gets a toolchain *someday* out of the house.
[21:59:44] <rcn-ee> jhn: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/cross-compiler
[22:00:46] <jhn> Youp, you have been referenced multiple time, you are next on my radar! :-)
[22:01:27] <rcn-ee> it's built with the exact same libs as what's in the image.. the only catch, you have to run it debian wheezy..
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[22:02:08] <jhn> Darwin != Debian :-(
[22:02:36] <rcn-ee> jhn, nfs/samba + vm + ssh.. if that's too hard, then i can't help. ;)
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[22:08:01] <jhn> When cross compiling and having the bbb debian root on the host, do I only have to set sysroot to the bbb root?
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[22:09:04] <rcn-ee> sure.. but it's just faster/easier to build native. ;)
[22:11:20] <jhn> I am pretty sure my 4 core intel will outperform the brave ARM.
[22:15:02] <rcn-ee> Fire up qemu, boot an "armhf" image, watch it build slower then the BBB. ; )
[22:16:39] <jhn> I agree, I never embraced emulators. I don’t trust debuggers either… :-)
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[22:23:14] <tpw_rules> whee, beaglebone can interfaces are go
[22:24:14] <tpw_rules> btw angstr�m vs debian: the beaglebone project is migrating to debian and all new beaglebones ship with it. plus, it's more supported in general
[22:28:40] <jhn> No contradiction to my saying. The switch happened and everybody must adjust now.
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[22:31:37] <rcn-ee> what switch. ;) Some of had been using debian since the beginning...
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[22:39:29] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/2PgF5w
[22:39:29] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 64a7d6a Robert Nelson: 3.8: merge in all cape changes up to bone62...
[22:39:45] <tpw_rules> argh debian armhf doesn't have python 3.4
[22:40:27] <rcn-ee> jessie does: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python3.4
[22:41:00] <tpw_rules> since i'm not too experienced with debian, how do i get that into my system?
[22:41:28] <rcn-ee> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Debian_Testing_.28jessie.29
[22:41:35] <ryanneufeld> tpw_rules: you're correct, tar is unable to open that compression
[22:41:43] <ryanneufeld> oh
[22:41:52] <tpw_rules> aww really? i thought that's the one i downloaded
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[22:41:55] <tpw_rules> blast
[22:42:07] <tpw_rules> wait a second why's it a tar
[22:42:14] <jhn> apt-get helped me install boost , maybe py is avail as well
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[22:42:40] <rcn-ee> it's not an *.img but a multi device *.tar with an install script..
[22:42:48] <tpw_rules> darn
[22:42:54] <tpw_rules> yay third format's the charm?
[22:43:33] <rcn-ee> otherwise there's always the "netinstall" https://github.com/RobertCNelson/netinstall If you've ever used Debian's net.iso (debian installer)
[22:44:29] <tpw_rules> which is better? i haven't
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[22:48:10] <tpw_rules> i'm going to follow the wikipedia guide
[22:48:39] <tpw_rules> wget is complaining about certs, you may want to check that
[22:48:56] <rcn-ee> install ca-certificates
[22:49:05] <tpw_rules> this is on osx
[22:49:46] <tpw_rules> hm, firefox is okay. must be on my end then
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[22:50:04] <rcn-ee> that script won't run on osx, you need the *.img's..
[22:50:14] <tpw_rules> why not?
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[22:50:46] <rcn-ee> here's a jessie *img i did for drew: http://rcn-ee.net/deb/testing/2014-07-03/bone-debian-jessie-console-2014-07-03-4gb.img.xz
[22:50:54] <tpw_rules> same one as before?
[22:51:05] <rcn-ee> un-released.. it was test..
[22:51:17] <tpw_rules> well as the tar would have made
[22:51:59] <rcn-ee> except the *.tar has a script you need to run to create the microSD.. Other then building a hackintosh and finding out how useless their unix tools are... Yeah.. i haven't bothered to add support..
[22:52:17] <tpw_rules> well yeah but what can that script possibly do that's broken
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[22:52:45] <rcn-ee> mac os has a really crappy old version of fdisk..
[22:53:13] <tpw_rules> now you've made me make it work
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[22:54:11] <tpw_rules> also curl works great with https so i guess wget is having a bad day
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[22:56:05] <rcn-ee> i think on mac osx you need gnutls installed for wget to work with https
[22:56:21] <tpw_rules> i'll look into it
[22:56:40] <tpw_rules> do you have some sort of speed = 1/progress script on your fileserver
[22:56:45] <rcn-ee> http://coolestguidesontheplanet.com/install-and-configure-wget-on-os-x/
[22:57:58] <jhn> dunno if it is a redirection problem, but wget —trust-server-names might help
[22:58:10] <tpw_rules> curl works
[22:58:15] <tpw_rules> or just removing the s
[22:58:36] <jhn> I replacd wget by curl -L
[22:58:41] <tpw_rules> the one osx command line feature i miss daily on linux is 'open'
[22:58:48] <tpw_rules> open <file> and it opens the relevant program
[22:58:50] <tpw_rules> or director
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[23:01:36] <tpw_rules> first hiccup: mktemp template is mandatory
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[23:06:42] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson closed pull request #98: cape: add BB-BONE-SERL-01-00A2 (3.8...3.8) http://git.io/_fnczg
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[23:58:06] <tpw_rules> rcn-ee: script seems to work
[23:58:09] <tpw_rules> also, are you german?
[23:58:27] <rcn-ee> part of me is.
[23:58:36] <tpw_rules> do you know how to speak it?
[23:58:51] <rcn-ee> nope. ;)
[23:59:03] <tpw_rules> i can't figure out why you are arbitrarily capitalizing words in your script
[23:59:38] <rcn-ee> yeah, i'm slowly factoring those out. ;)