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  • [01:02:10] <jkridner> ZiNC: I'm seeing about 14s vs. about 8s w/ Angstrom.
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  • [01:02:27] <ZiNC> Thanks.
  • [01:02:36] <ZiNC> 8 sec with stock Angstrom?
  • [01:03:05] <ZiNC> I haven't looked recently, but here it was more like 20 seconds.
  • [01:03:56] <jkridner> not looking at Desktop time, just boot to usable prompt.
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  • [01:05:27] <ZiNC> It's been a while, but I must've timed to something sensible. Maybe until getting serial over USB (or just serial).
  • [01:05:42] <ZiNC> Will have to check again.
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  • [01:47:22] <zmatt> argh &!@#% why the hell didn't they connect RTS/CTS on the serial console ... it's not even that the pins are otherwise in use, they left them not-connected on both the cpu and the serial header ><
  • [01:50:36] <agmlego> Just greenwire them.
  • [01:51:09] <zmatt> ?
  • [01:51:29] <zmatt> patch a wire to... a BGA chip?
  • [01:51:36] <agmlego> Sure, why not?
  • [01:52:54] <zmatt> must be my lack of imagination, but I have difficulty envisioning the patch you seem to be suggesting :P
  • [01:53:05] <zmatt> given that the balls are inaccessible
  • [01:53:11] <agmlego> Not at all.
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  • [01:53:26] <agmlego> Just takes a copy of the board artwork, a steady hand, and a fine drill.
  • [01:55:15] <ZiNC> Will a 8mm bit do?
  • [01:55:23] <agmlego> Uh, no.
  • [01:55:26] <agmlego> Maybe 0.8mm.
  • [01:55:27] <ZiNC> Just checking.
  • [01:55:37] <ZiNC> I also have hammers.
  • [01:56:00] <agmlego> But, really, the correct solution is just to make your own board, with those two traces routed.
  • [01:56:01] <zmatt> heh, ok I can now imagine there are people who might do that... I think otoh I'll just see if I can grab another uart *with* hardware handshake from the extension connectors, or implement DMA in my forth's serial code so characters can be received in the background
  • [01:56:10] <agmlego> The bone is, after all, open source.
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  • [01:57:10] <zmatt> actually the board I'm primarily working with is custom and does have hardware handshake on the console obviously :P
  • [01:57:22] <zmatt> but I want to port my forth system to the beaglebone
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  • [01:59:04] <zmatt> and right now that's not gonna work without rts/cts, since I need to paste a large blob of tekst on top of the kernel, which right now operates the uart in polling mode so the flow really does need to stop while it's interpreting a line of code
  • [01:59:58] <veremit> nice
  • [02:02:26] <zmatt> switching to using DMA was on my to-do list anyway :P but temporary solutions that work kind of adequate have a tendency to stick around for longer than they ought to
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  • [02:10:01] <veremit> very true
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  • [05:35:14] <salam> hello i want to install gentoo for BeagleBoard xm Could you Help Me'?
  • [05:36:57] * jkridner wonders if https://www.slashorg.net/51-Getting-started.html is still valid
  • [05:40:56] <jkridner> http://beagleboard.org/project/?search=gentoo only has BeagleBone
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  • [06:00:11] <nyt-> jkridner: nice new graphics for the headers =]
  • [06:00:38] <jkridner> thanks. they fix a typo on some of the pins
  • [06:00:51] <jkridner> hopefully they are clearer and easier to read.
  • [06:00:55] <jkridner> added a legend as well.
  • [06:01:08] <jkridner> I go back to these drawings all the time.
  • [06:01:21] <jkridner> there are some more comprehensive tables from others, but these suit my needs.
  • [06:01:36] <nyt-> yea
  • [06:01:49] <nyt-> yeah i saw, i reported the typo haha
  • [06:01:57] <nyt-> i went through every gpio pin writing my lib to test functionality
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  • [07:33:39] <sachin_> I have FTDI cable , connected to PC and board. I can see mounted ttyUSB0
  • [07:33:48] <sachin_> then I am starting minicom -s
  • [07:34:09] <sachin_> and setting 115200 8N1 with no HW control
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  • [07:34:22] <sachin_> still I dont logs on minicom termial
  • [07:34:25] <boom> how to change a splash screen on debian wheezy
  • [07:34:31] <boom> please
  • [07:34:43] <sachin_> is anything else I need to do to get logs on minicom
  • [07:35:01] <boom> i don't know
  • [07:35:30] <boom> how to change a splash screen on debian wheezy pls
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  • [08:54:44] <sachin_> Hi All, I have connected FTDI cable to BBB. on minicom I can see garbage characters. Can any one faced same issue
  • [08:55:05] <mrpackethead> you probably dont' have the right port speed.
  • [08:56:31] <sachin_> Baud 115,200 Bits 8 Parity N Stop Bits 1 Handshake None
  • [08:56:40] <sachin_> any suggestion on how much it should be ?
  • [08:58:37] <tbr> depends on how the BBB is configured
  • [08:59:18] <sachin_> It has release version of Angstrom, not done any specific changes.
  • [08:59:20] <boom> i don't found on google for change a splash screen on debian wheezy
  • [08:59:41] <boom> i found on android but not on deian wheezy
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  • [09:04:18] <boom> how to change a splash screen on debian wheezy
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  • [09:10:11] <tverrbjelke> <Bablu>: You mean dev-os (for desktop to cross-compiling stuff and shift to bbb), or you mean target-os on bbb, where your driver is running?
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  • [09:12:59] <tverrbjelke> <Bablu>: I am beginning this bbb stuff right now, too - and my choise is linux for both. dev-os is ubuntu (maybe gentoo later), target-os will be 1st angström and when I need hard realtime stuff, I *think* I will switch to xenomai patch on gentoo for my bbb.
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  • [11:29:31] <f11f12> I built the 3.14.3 kernel for my beaglebone white (A5), it boots fine but USB doesn't work (e.g. USB stick). I tried external 5V power but no difference. u-boot van read USB sticks, so my board/stick are ok.
  • [11:30:24] <f11f12> Do I lack something in omap2plus_defconfig?
  • [11:39:32] <tbr> the same stick works if you boot one of the prebuilt kernels?
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  • [12:01:33] <woglinde> f11f12 I heard there are a lot of problems with usb on upstream
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  • [12:29:15] <sachin> Hi All,
  • [12:29:43] <sachin> I am trying to make mmc driver as module, any suggestion which CONFIG I need to make as module out of below
  • [12:29:45] <sachin> CONFIG_MMC=y
  • [12:29:45] <sachin> CONFIG_MMC_DEBUG=y
  • [12:29:45] <sachin> CONFIG_MMC_UNSAFE_RESUME=y
  • [12:29:45] <sachin> # CONFIG_MMC_CLKGATE is not set
  • [12:29:45] <sachin> #
  • [12:29:45] <sachin> # MMC/SD/SDIO Card Drivers
  • [12:29:48] <sachin> #
  • [12:29:49] <sachin> CONFIG_MMC_BLOCK=y
  • [12:29:53] <sachin> CONFIG_MMC_BLOCK_MINORS=8
  • [12:29:55] <sachin> CONFIG_MMC_BLOCK_BOUNCE=y
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  • [12:32:35] <KotH> sachin: you will not be able to boot with the mmc driver as module unless your bootloader supports initrd
  • [12:33:18] <sachin> I have angstrom OS, and I think bootloader is uboot
  • [12:33:41] <sachin> will it be possible with that. Still its not possible.
  • [12:34:37] <sachin> Thanks for giving such helpful info, now I will not try.
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  • [12:38:42] <sachin> @KotH, One more help. Today I brought FTDI USB to serial cable. I have proper Baud 115,200 Bits 8 Parity N Stop Bits 1 Handshake None... On minicom I am just getting garbage character. I have tried with different baud rate.
  • [12:38:50] <sachin> any help what could be reason
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  • [12:43:43] <KotH> what does the SRM say about baud rate?
  • [12:44:45] <sachin> Sorry not understood about SRM
  • [12:45:19] <sachin> connection as per suggested on http://falstaff.agner.ch/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/beaglebone-black.jpg
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  • [13:02:34] <must_know> hello
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  • [13:03:04] <must_know> how can i install a keyboard language for beaglebone ??
  • [13:04:49] <must_know> hello
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  • [13:06:03] <must_know> anyone alive ?
  • [13:07:16] <f11f12> tbr: stick works and board works, but not the 3.14 kernel.
  • [13:08:51] <f11f12> tbr: I used this combination with an older (non dtb) kernel for while as 24/7 webserver
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  • [13:11:58] <must_know> how to install out source's tools, such ocr-engine (tesseract) ? similar to apt-get ? couldnt understand opkg
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  • [13:16:45] <tbr> f11f12: mkay, might want to check which config angstrom uses. they should be on some very recent kernel too
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  • [13:28:06] <f11f12> tbr: I'm not an oe user, is there a simple way to checkout only the kernel from the angstrom/yocto project?
  • [13:29:53] <must_know> hello , how can i install tesseract ocr-engine on my beaglebone ?
  • [13:30:15] <thurgood> f11f12: you will ned to build a bunch of tools and such just to get the kernel in if you use oe
  • [13:31:00] <f11f12> thurgood: that's what I'd like to avoid.
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  • [13:32:42] <thurgood> must_know: did you check the repo to make sure it's there for starters?
  • [13:32:53] <must_know> any idea how to install , tesseract , ocr-engine , on my beaglebone black , am using angstrom os.
  • [13:33:13] <must_know> thurgood , am new to beaglebone :(
  • [13:34:56] <must_know> cant find any in /var/lib/opkg/lists/base
  • [13:35:42] <thurgood> must_know: use opkg list |grep ocr
  • [13:35:54] <must_know> did , nothing
  • [13:36:02] <thurgood> you can change the ocr to anything you want to search on
  • [13:36:25] <thurgood> did you run opkg update yet?
  • [13:36:27] <must_know> thats why am trying to install an outsource tools
  • [13:36:30] <must_know> yep
  • [13:36:42] <thurgood> outsource?
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  • [13:37:13] <must_know> yes, is like adding the repo , into opkg , but as new to arm , i dont want to damage anything
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  • [13:38:24] <tbr> f11f12: the config should be somewhere in git though
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  • [13:39:33] <thurgood> if it's not too complicated of a make, I would suggest cross compilation
  • [13:40:35] <must_know> here is the problem , am poor at english , meanining, i dont know what do you mean vy cross-compilation , u mean make/gcc the source ?
  • [13:41:31] <thurgood> cross compiling is simply compiling on one machine to run on a different type of system
  • [13:42:07] <thurgood> such as compiling on your desktop to run on the beagle board/bone in your case
  • [13:42:23] <must_know> didnt get that.. sorry
  • [13:42:56] <must_know> you mean add a middleware , to using from beaglebone ?
  • [13:44:02] <thurgood> no, it will run natively on the beaglebone, but you can build it on a faster machine
  • [13:44:42] <must_know> ok.. compiling it on ubuntu for example, and save the file , and move it to beaglebone ?
  • [13:45:11] <thurgood> yes
  • [13:45:33] <must_know> will it work in angestorm ?
  • [13:46:31] <thurgood> never tried it, but if you can compile it it should run as long as you have enough resources (ie ram, cpu power, etc) on the beaglebone
  • [13:46:57] <must_know> hmmm..
  • [13:47:14] <thurgood> unless they have assembly in there for a specific architecture
  • [13:47:23] <must_know> i even cant install an irc client/whois tools on beaglebone , weird
  • [13:47:55] <must_know> i dont know if ubuntu has the same file compilations similar to angestorm
  • [13:48:00] <must_know> but will try that
  • [13:48:36] <thurgood> you will need to get a cross platform compiler
  • [13:49:32] <thurgood> I tend to us open embedded, although it is a bit bloated, you might find something with less overheard from codesourcery
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  • [13:51:05] <must_know> thanks , one other question,, make it 2 , how can install other language pack than english, it has them in the panel but wrong encoding.. the secound question , how can i install whois tool for angestorm
  • [13:51:21] <f11f12> must_know: I run a debian system and just installed tesseract with: apt-get install tesseract-ocr
  • [13:51:29] <thurgood> http://elinux.org/Toolchains#Prebuilt_toolchains
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  • [13:52:09] <f11f12> I still have no usb :-(
  • [13:52:13] <must_know> f11f22 , using micro SD ? am talking about angestorm
  • [13:52:49] <must_know> thurgood, thanks ill check the cross platform compilor
  • [13:52:50] <thurgood> depending on your skill level, it /may/ be easier to go with a debian or ubuntu based os on the beaglebone
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  • [13:53:22] <must_know> ubuntu is easy , because we always go for the easy stuff.
  • [13:53:28] <f11f12> must_know: yes on uSD.
  • [13:54:05] <must_know> when the new beaglebone board will be released
  • [13:54:21] <f11f12> must_know, the language packs are also available as packages: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tesseract&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all
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  • [14:26:10] <f11f12> thurgood, tbr: USB works now, kernels 3.14 and also arm-soc from the git tree have a omap2plus_defconfig with broken USB for AM335x
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  • [14:26:33] <f11f12> tbr, thurgood albeit in PIO mode, DMA refuses to work
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  • [14:27:14] <thurgood> has dma mode ever worked with usb on the beagle line?
  • [14:27:47] <f11f12> Yes, but only with a bunch of patches.
  • [14:28:51] <f11f12> since my DSL speed is slow anyway, I don't care if the AM335x uses PIO & cpu cycles to access the USB stick.
  • [14:29:35] <f11f12> For those who need the changes, that did it for me:
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  • [14:29:42] <f11f12> select Inventra Highspeed Dual Role Controller (TI, ADI, ...)
  • [14:29:49] <f11f12> select Platform Glue Layer (TI DSPS platforms)
  • [14:29:56] <f11f12> select MUSB DMA mode (Disable DMA (always use PIO))
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  • [14:30:49] <f11f12> I used the git reop arm-soc, but it looks like the 3.14 kernels have the same issue.
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  • [14:37:48] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/hr9GyQ
  • [14:37:48] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 b3f658f Robert Nelson: 3.8: cleanup: git am --whitespace=fix is your friend, specially with merging patches into massive patchsets...
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  • [14:44:44] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/hlrTXw
  • [14:44:44] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 565f7e6 Robert Nelson: 3.8: merge in all cape changes up to bone51...
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  • [14:49:46] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/peSb1A
  • [14:49:46] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 a529d0f Robert Nelson: 3.8: config: enable CONFIG_TCG_TIS_I2C_ATMEL for crypto cape...
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  • [15:03:38] <questionm> hello all
  • [15:03:48] <questionm> anyone from beagle
  • [15:04:26] <questionm> need to find / know distributors in my country
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  • [15:06:17] <tbr> questionm: check website
  • [15:08:08] <questionm> wow i must be missing something, can you give me a link, as I can't see any
  • [15:08:22] <tbr> http://beagleboard.org/
  • [15:08:23] <questionm> links to distributors
  • [15:08:39] <questionm> I was there but not list of distributors
  • [15:08:51] <questionm> sorry I meant no list of distributors
  • [15:09:03] <tbr> select board, use pulldown for 'purchase'
  • [15:09:12] <thurgood> in the center of the orange box next to the image
  • [15:09:16] <questionm> ok, let me have al look
  • [15:09:22] <tbr> it helpfully says "select distributor to buy"
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  • [15:11:06] <questionm> ok
  • [15:11:39] <questionm> but there are only a limited number of distributors in Asia, I'm from Singapore, anyone know of a distributor there
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  • [15:11:52] <thurgood> how's the android support for beaglebone black, if anyone here happens to know?
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  • [15:14:29] <questionm> Hi , does anyone know of a distributor in Singapore
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  • [15:15:38] <H-H-H> questionm have you tried google?
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  • [15:17:57] <questionm> I prefer authorized distributors, rather than those who may claim they are one.
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  • [15:23:35] <questionm> Hi , does anyone know of an Authorized Distributor in Singapore ?
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  • [15:35:53] <Spiderkeys> Hi everyone. I have been having several problems with installing Ubuntu (just about every version) on a Beagleboard xM rev C2. I've followed all of the official guides for flashing the various distributions found on Robert Nelson's site to a Micro SD card, and have varying levels of success and different types of failures. Some installations fail to boot at all, 12.10 boots to the ARM login, but my usb peripherals are unusable so I
  • [15:36:06] <Spiderkeys> I followed any forum discussions on this problem all the way through, but the only solution proposed was dated to 2012 and had dead links to what used to be the angstrom-distribution/demo/ pages, so I was unable to progress on this issue. I was once able to get 13.(04?) to boot to an ubuntu screen that said "Resizing root partition" which seemed to fail and dropped me to initramfs (with working keyboard).
  • [15:36:18] <Spiderkeys> After restarting the board from this point, it got indefinitely stuck on the "Resizing root partition" screen and I could get no further. If anyone has any experience getting Ubuntu to boot on this particular board, or have encountered these problems before/know what might be causing them, any advice would be much appreciated.
  • [15:36:28] <Spiderkeys> (sorry for the longwinded paragraphs)
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  • [15:44:29] <rocky|quadcopter> What mechanism is used to run the eMMC flashing scripts automatically on boot? I'm trying to use the scripts in /opt/scripts/tools/eMMC to allow users to flash my quadcopter software. It appears to work, it's just that the script isn't running automatically.
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  • [16:05:37] <rocky|quadcopter> I think I found what I needed. It looks like RCN's flasher checks for the existance of /boot/uboot/flash-eMMC.txt
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  • [16:06:02] <rocky|quadcopter> for whether or not it starts flashing
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  • [16:49:19] <Spiderkeys> jkridner: I just found this youtube video that you commented on quite some time ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVsrByp283g. Have you ever heard anything more about this problem or how to solve it? I'm experiencing the same thing with several distros downloaded from rcn-ee.net
  • [16:50:41] <jkridner> Spiderkeys: Using instructions at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu should work fine for you.
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  • [16:52:37] <Spiderkeys> I've followed the instructions for pre-configured images, netinstall, and manual installation. None of them really seem to make a difference. Either it boots but has no keyboard/usb, or it doesn't boot at all.
  • [16:53:07] <pjustice> questionm, try the Singapore outlets of DigiKey, or Element14, or Mouser
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  • [16:58:19] <jkridner> Spiderkeys: have you posted to the mailing list? which rev board?
  • [16:58:35] <jkridner> you should post with a boot log.
  • [16:58:45] <Spiderkeys> jkridner: I haven't, yet. I've got rev C2
  • [17:00:24] <jkridner> Robert usually replies pretty fast on Ubuntu related posts
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  • [17:01:47] <Spiderkeys> Alright, I'll put together a step-by-step description of what I did + boot log and shoot it over there.
  • [17:02:53] <myself> Half the time when I'm writing up a "wtf?" trouble ticket, as I try to describe the reproduction steps, I end up narrowing it down considerably. Putting together that step-by-step helps the troubleshooting on your end as well as on the support team's. :)
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  • [17:03:58] <Spiderkeys> Hehe, I've pretty much got all of the commands memorized at this point. I've tried this entire process with different distros, methods of copying the files, etc about 12 or 13 times now
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  • [18:01:20] <Spiderkeys> jkridner: Haha, riddle me this one: I installed Ubuntu 14.04 on my sd card and connected the beagleboard to my serial port to grab a boot log and booted it up. On this particular instance I didn't have the monitor hooked up to the board, since it never seemed to boot anyway, but everything seemed to boot up fine on the terminal. I connected the monitor AFTER the boot had reached the login step and lo and behold, it displayed correc
  • [18:01:43] <Spiderkeys> start the board up with the monitor connected (via hdmi), it never displays, even after it reaches the login step as judged by the serial output
  • [18:01:51] <jkridner> hmmm.... so you suspect something in the EDID code that runs at boot?
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  • [18:02:58] <Spiderkeys> I don't even know what to suspect. I'm not qualified enough to explain why having the monitor hooked up at boot would cause that problem, but it seems like it was booting fine all along, despite the display not working
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  • [18:03:10] <jkridner> Spiderkeys: perhaps http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#.22DSS2.22_display_driver_for_.3E.3D_2.6.29 would be useful to you
  • [18:03:35] <jkridner> figure out what the working mode is and force it on the Linux command-line.
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  • [18:18:27] <treeherder> http://i.imgur.com/7z6uRn8.jpg hi guys nothing terribly exciting, just showing off my BBB's cooling can
  • [18:18:40] <treeherder> which i am super duper excited about
  • [18:18:58] <treeherder> so i lied. it is very terribly exciting everyone should check it out
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  • [18:19:34] <ds2> cooling? what are you doing that requires cooling?
  • [18:19:45] <treeherder> hot stuff
  • [18:19:57] <ds2> Furnace controler with 100C ambient while doing heavy number crunching? :D
  • [18:20:22] <treeherder> lights on the fan match the lights on the board, who cares
  • [18:20:31] <nyt-> hahaha
  • [18:20:59] <treeherder> no i just loved the whole fits-na-mintbox thing
  • [18:21:02] <treeherder> so i ran with it
  • [18:21:09] <nyt-> that poor altoids tin
  • [18:21:12] <treeherder> it has cut outs for all the ports too
  • [18:21:53] <treeherder> i was 3d printing a case for it
  • [18:21:59] <treeherder> and then i realized
  • [18:22:30] <treeherder> anyways, now that i've wasted a ton of time with case mods, I was wondering if anybody has a good springboard for PRU programming
  • [18:22:41] <treeherder> i've a bit of experience with embedded environments and C etc
  • [18:23:10] <treeherder> but just got a BBB last week and so far have not done anything really incredible on it, but i'd like to
  • [18:23:46] <myself> cooling fan on a beagle... first thought.. u w0t m8?
  • [18:23:53] * myself boggles
  • [18:24:01] <treeherder> i ahve some CMOS cameras i'd like to use for stereoscopic camera
  • [18:24:22] <treeherder> omg the case fan is just for the lulz
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  • [18:24:53] <myself> Oh it definitely got those!
  • [18:25:12] <myself> waterblock next? :)
  • [18:25:43] <myself> heywaitasec.... matt said we could keep the dewar....
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  • [18:26:14] <myself> jkridner: you wanna dunk a bbb in ln2 one of these days?
  • [18:26:53] <jkridner> myself: yes!
  • [18:27:19] <jkridner> I've likely got some old A2 boards still.
  • [18:27:39] <myself> I'llsee about paying airgas a visit.
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  • [18:31:24] <treeherder> maybe i should spray it down with neverwet
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  • [18:37:55] <myself> and immerse it in slush?
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  • [18:50:41] <boomkoeur> hi guys
  • [18:51:15] <boomkoeur> how to remove a tux logo on beagle on debian wheezy
  • [18:51:17] <boomkoeur> pleas
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  • [19:00:14] <boomkoeur> how to remove a tux logo on beagle on debian wheezy
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  • [19:27:52] <BB_> ?.. can the BB be used like a chromecast ???
  • [19:28:03] <nyt-> well, it has hdmi output
  • [19:28:09] <nyt-> but not accelerated video so
  • [19:28:12] <nyt-> gl with that
  • [19:28:24] <BB_> tellint it what to play from a network connected tablet or pc..
  • [19:28:34] <johnwalkr> SD content it could
  • [19:28:41] <johnwalkr> this is the one thing rpi is better at
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  • [19:31:31] <nyt-> yep
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  • [19:38:49] <treeherder> yeah
  • [19:39:05] <treeherder> media center is more of an rpi thing
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  • [19:42:50] <veremit> networking not brilliant on the pi though
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  • [19:45:14] <nyt-> veremit: hows that?
  • [19:45:52] <veremit> ethernet is via USB port on the Broadcom .. shared on the usb hub/ethernet chip
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  • [19:46:03] <veremit> or there's Wireless ofc .. lol.
  • [19:50:09] <treeherder> i use mine as an ethernet bridge and it works great
  • [19:50:37] <treeherder> uptime of almost a year i think \
  • [19:50:40] <nyt-> veremit: ah, fun.
  • [19:54:45] <veremit> uptime ain't the problem .. its the hardware!
  • [19:55:01] <veremit> I was disgraced when I saw they'd put that lan/usb bridge on there
  • [19:55:16] <veremit> you try and share a usb hard disk over ethernet on the Pi .. its a JOKE!
  • [19:55:38] <veremit> not surprising when you think all that data is trying to go down two physical tracks on the PCB!!
  • [19:55:45] <veremit> in and out .. twice!
  • [19:57:27] <johnwalkr> well yeah
  • [19:57:44] <johnwalkr> but almost no arm systems have gigabit ethernet either
  • [19:57:49] <johnwalkr> none are blazing fast
  • [19:57:57] <veremit> imx6 is 1/2gb :D
  • [19:58:04] <veremit> beagle is 100mbit
  • [19:58:30] <veremit> there's some silly limit in the imx6 .. the external is gigabit . but there's a bottleneck
  • [19:58:43] <johnwalkr> yeah i was just looking for a solution
  • [19:58:56] <veremit> its on the forum somewhere
  • [19:59:03] <johnwalkr> all i found that was somewhat future proff was odroid plus a usb gigabit adapter
  • [19:59:10] <veremit> like the usb isn't 3 its 2 .. but the ports are there lol
  • [19:59:24] <veremit> on the wandboard, that is
  • [19:59:25] <johnwalkr> and basically settled on just buying a new router with usb
  • [19:59:42] <veremit> usb ethernet very dependant on drivers :/ sadly.
  • [19:59:52] <veremit> oh wait .. wifi more .. dunno what ethernet is like
  • [20:00:35] <veremit> think I'm gonna change my 3g ARM router for the beagle .. so I can read the SMS from the network
  • [20:00:58] <veremit> 3G router only got a small flash with a squashfs on .. did one or two small updates, but its a very minimal OS
  • [20:01:25] <veremit> no ssh either :/
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  • [22:22:30] <Frank> Hi I need help with a Beaglebone LCD
  • [22:22:56] <Frank> I need BEAGLEBONE-LCDCAPE
  • [22:23:14] <Frank> Digikey does not have any stock does the factory have inventory?
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  • [22:24:20] <veremit> I think you'll probably have to order and wait
  • [22:24:36] <veremit> try a few different distributors
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  • [22:24:53] <Frank> Who are the approved distributors for Beaglebone
  • [22:25:06] <veremit> should be on the beagle.org website
  • [22:25:10] <jkridner> Frank: they are on the pull-down at http://beagleboard.org
  • [22:25:29] <veremit> thank jkr
  • [22:25:31] <veremit> s+
  • [22:25:49] * jkridner has removed distributors who haven't updated their pages to reflect Rev C or are exclusively selling the Element14 BeagleBone Black.
  • [22:29:39] <veremit> jkridner .. is Rev C the new version with extra eMMC?
  • [22:29:48] <jkridner> yes
  • [22:29:54] <jkridner> that's the only hardware change.
  • [22:29:57] <veremit> cool .. in production now?
  • [22:29:59] <jkridner> just ships with Debian now.
  • [22:30:00] <jkridner> yup...
  • [22:30:05] <veremit> great stuff
  • [22:30:09] <jkridner> been shipping to distributors just over a week now.
  • [22:30:25] <veremit> is that across the beagle approved platform too?
  • [22:31:32] <jkridner> only BeagleBone Black for the shipping units....
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  • [22:31:41] <jkridner> Image runs on BeagleBone (white)
  • [22:32:06] <jkridner> There are images for BeagleBoard and BeagleBoard-xM, but not fully "done up" like the BeagleBone ones....
  • [22:32:09] <veremit> meant the emmc upgrade ;)
  • [22:32:11] <jkridner> good project for this summer.
  • [22:32:18] <jkridner> oh, only the BeagleBone Black has eMMc.
  • [22:32:24] <veremit> google code projects? ;)
  • [22:32:46] <veremit> lol, meant are the 'Approved' units getting the upgrade too :P
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  • [22:33:08] <veremit> to your knowledge
  • [22:33:21] <nyt-> https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/p180x540/10341870_10154088346490551_6547711725611993571_n.jpg
  • [22:33:22] <nyt-> https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10302696_10154088346495551_2313226148076155256_n.jpg?oh=00762736192a45e60693c12bd568f60a&oe=53EE3B69
  • [22:33:26] <nyt-> https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/p180x540/1508616_10154088346260551_5727085578726760007_n.jpg
  • [22:33:32] <nyt-> wife just used bbb to make working pip boy lol
  • [22:33:57] <nyt-> fully functioning rad meter, gps, mp3 player, flashlight, compass, etc
  • [22:33:58] <veremit> wife into the tech world too then!?: )
  • [22:34:08] <nyt-> yea
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  • [22:34:21] <veremit> bet thats a mixed blessing lol
  • [22:34:28] <nyt-> lol yeah
  • [22:34:30] <nyt-> i helped w/ some of the harder shit
  • [22:34:37] <nyt-> like offline map drawing
  • [22:34:57] <nyt-> and some guidanec along the way for misc things
  • [22:34:58] <veremit> Not, I must hasten to add, that there is Anything wrong with smart women .. please let me be clear on that :)
  • [22:35:34] <nyt-> gotta deal w/ some issues still to improve gps response
  • [22:35:44] <veremit> got a nice SiRF chipset?
  • [22:35:48] <nyt-> she hasn't done much of this before so theres some interference
  • [22:36:07] <nyt-> http://www.adafruit.com/products/746
  • [22:36:09] <nyt-> just that thing
  • [22:36:20] <nyt-> w/ antenna
  • [22:36:27] <veremit> I did some work with GPS modules years ago
  • [22:36:32] <veremit> serial output
  • [22:36:36] <nyt-> yep
  • [22:36:50] <nyt-> the amplifier for the speaker in there is giving off some awful noise, need to shorten leads and shield it
  • [22:37:13] <nyt-> so bad it interferes with the alarm system in my house
  • [22:37:41] <veremit> ouch!
  • [22:38:01] <veremit> look for modules with a fast "Time to First Fix" or ttff
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  • [22:39:23] <veremit> good view of the sky and antenna obviously a help :)
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  • [22:40:55] <nyt-> oh its good
  • [22:41:02] <nyt-> when there isnt awful rf interference blasting it
  • [22:41:05] <nyt-> syncs up nice and quick
  • [22:41:10] <nyt-> got like 11 satelites in the house
  • [22:41:25] <veremit> ah thats cool .. so its just wifi/beagle switching noise/etc peharps?
  • [22:41:28] <veremit> perhaps**
  • [22:41:32] <veremit> typo fairy
  • [22:41:33] <nyt-> no, amplifier
  • [22:41:36] <nyt-> for the speaker
  • [22:41:43] <nyt-> giving off awful noise
  • [22:41:44] <xro|> hi, there are three mistakes (that I've found so far) in every beaglebone pin/gpio chart-image, even on the BBB itself using the latest downloaded image
  • [22:41:46] <veremit> oh.. you need to get that all tidied off
  • [22:41:50] <veremit> using a class-D?
  • [22:41:53] <nyt-> yea
  • [22:41:56] <xro|> not sure where to report that, so I'm dropping the information here..
  • [22:42:03] <nyt-> not my project ;) i gave her tips, shes gonna come back to it soon
  • [22:42:05] <jkridner> veremit: yes, all rev c. CircuitCo/BeagleBoard.org and Element14.
  • [22:42:16] <nyt-> but yeah, first official project i saw using my library =[ havent seen anything else yet
  • [22:42:18] <nyt-> guess itll take time
  • [22:42:25] <veremit> jkridner .. nice, should help out all those who hit the 2gb limit :)
  • [22:42:32] <nyt-> xro|: what are you seeing?
  • [22:42:32] <jkridner> indeed.
  • [22:42:37] <xro|> P9_14 is actually GPIO50 (not 40)
  • [22:42:58] <xro|> P9_17 is actually GPIO5 (not 4)
  • [22:43:08] <xro|> P9_18 is actually GPIO4 (not 5)
  • [22:43:08] <nyt-> 9_17 was fixed
  • [22:43:11] <nyt-> as was 9_18
  • [22:43:12] <nyt-> see new images
  • [22:43:15] <nyt-> on the site
  • [22:43:24] <xro|> great :)
  • [22:43:32] <xro|> thanks then :)
  • [22:43:42] <nyt-> 9_14 is still wrong tho
  • [22:43:56] <nyt-> jkridner: sorry guess I missed reporting that to you :(
  • [22:44:00] <veremit> can you submit a patch?
  • [22:44:13] <nyt-> its just the image
  • [22:44:14] <veremit> should be an easy fix to merge in
  • [22:44:19] <jkridner> xro|: so, http://beagleboard.org/Support/bone101#headers is still wrong on P9_14?
  • [22:44:25] <nyt-> seems that way
  • [22:44:27] <nyt-> i tested all pins
  • [22:44:28] <nyt-> https://github.com/notnyt/beaglebone/blob/master/lib/beaglebone/beaglebone.rb#L88
  • [22:44:30] * jkridner wonders how he typo'd so much.
  • [22:44:33] <nyt-> i have 9_14 as gpio50
  • [22:44:44] <veremit> tut tut :p
  • [22:44:59] * nyt- opening srm now
  • [22:45:38] <jkridner> grrr.... so do I: https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript/blob/master/src/bone.js#L1012
  • [22:46:00] <jkridner> another distraction I didn't need today.
  • [22:46:03] <xro|> jkridner, yup P9_14 is still wrong, should be gpio 50
  • [22:46:32] <nyt-> oh hm srm doesn't map to header pins
  • [22:46:42] <nyt-> just the gpio1[18]
  • [22:46:45] <veremit> probably not....
  • [22:46:58] <veremit> there's a lot of translation between pad/purpose/gpio lol
  • [22:47:13] <nyt-> yea
  • [22:47:15] * nyt- shrugs
  • [22:47:28] <nyt-> ive tested it recently w/ my lib so pretty safe to say its really gpio50 =]
  • [22:47:53] <veremit> well .. if you toggle an output .. or the input pin .. you'll soon track it down :)
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  • [22:49:42] <nyt-> brutal, 6 images to fix =]
  • [22:50:25] <veremit> sed "gpio40/gpio50" > go
  • [22:50:28] <veremit> lol
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  • [22:54:30] <jkridner> nyt-, xro|: can you check the site now?
  • [22:55:07] <nyt-> that was quick
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  • [22:55:24] <jkridner> eventually I'll get this all into CSS like http://jsfiddle.net/jkridner/hdfH6/
  • [22:55:33] <nyt-> ooooooooo
  • [22:56:27] <nyt-> nice
  • [22:56:31] <nyt-> bone101 needs moar ruby lol
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  • [22:57:35] <nyt-> and i need more hours in the day
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  • [23:13:23] <veremit> guy I knew used to swear by smarty-code
  • [23:13:28] <DaWiMe> Hello. Has anyone used TDM mode with the beaglebones to interface to ADCs? (like the ADS1278) ?
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  • [23:29:23] <ketas> jkridner: what was the reason to choose blue leds?
  • [23:30:22] <veremit> Cos they're cool
  • [23:30:25] <veremit> :)
  • [23:30:37] <veremit> even if early models do burn ya eyes lol
  • [23:31:02] * veremit blames Gerald for that lol
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  • [23:31:46] <ketas> i mean, not red, green, yellow, blue or rgb... just five blue leds! :(
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  • [23:32:26] <nyt-> whats wrong with blue
  • [23:32:30] <nyt-> u racist
  • [23:32:37] <ketas> maybe it was big batch of cheap leds
  • [23:32:50] <jkridner> ketas: because they used to be rare.
  • [23:33:07] <vagrantc> it really was an aesthetic decision?
  • [23:33:12] <jkridner> ketas: that is, they used to be expensive and now they aren't anymore... we thought they looked cool, though they are a bit too bright.
  • [23:33:19] <jkridner> vagrantc: yeah.
  • [23:33:40] <jkridner> veremit: indeed, it was Gerald's call.
  • [23:33:48] <nyt-> theyre really bright, too bad max brightness control doesnt work =]
  • [23:33:56] <nyt-> i dont mind the blue though, and you can always turn them off if needed
  • [23:34:16] <jkridner> Bacon Cape also suffers from the brightness factor.
  • [23:34:18] <ketas> yea, when you can read on light of indicator... then it's flashlight
  • [23:34:28] <jkridner> but at least has PWM connections to the LEDs.
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  • [23:35:15] <veremit> I thought the resistors were changed on later revisions .. or so I read somewhere ...
  • [23:35:17] <ketas> is bbb cheaper than other boards because it's ti-supported? :P
  • [23:35:17] <jkridner> LEDs == feedback == goodness
  • [23:35:23] <jkridner> Tre chose to use an RGB LED.
  • [23:35:25] <veremit> feedback = necessary
  • [23:35:37] <veremit> you can change 'em .. presumably .. if you must :)
  • [23:35:48] <jkridner> ketas: we pay for the parts from TI at a high-volume price....
  • [23:36:07] <ketas> that means regular price?
  • [23:36:20] <jkridner> so, we get a break by getting a volume discount that we are probably short on volume to earn.
  • [23:36:38] <ketas> hmm
  • [23:36:54] <jkridner> TI still makes money, so they aren't going to say some day "hey, this Beagle thing is losing us money, so we should cut them off".
  • [23:37:17] <ketas> well, it's nice adverTIsement too
  • [23:37:21] <jkridner> indeed.
  • [23:37:28] <nyt-> how many units you looking to move on rev c?
  • [23:37:31] <jkridner> which is why they pay my salary. ;-)
  • [23:37:33] <ketas> it still gets money back :P
  • [23:38:00] <jkridner> nyt-: dunno for sure. 250k+
  • [23:38:16] <nyt-> gotta catch up to pi ;)
  • [23:38:29] <jkridner> nyt-: depends if the product guys decide that the volume production is there for them to start dropping it in.
  • [23:38:47] <ketas> you can't beat io that's in that soc
  • [23:38:47] <ds2> no point in catching up to a door stop
  • [23:38:48] <jkridner> Gerald's stance of needing to go to CircuitCo for volume orders makes that difficult.
  • [23:39:12] <ds2> it is not that hard to build your own
  • [23:39:16] <jkridner> yeah, better to DO something.
  • [23:39:28] <jkridner> and advance the state of the art....
  • [23:40:11] <jkridner> ...yet we still struggle with the mainline kernel support and improving the state of embedded Linux drivers as people focus on userspace approaches...
  • [23:40:35] <ds2> the myth of mainline kernel support
  • [23:40:43] <ketas> i run fbsd there
  • [23:40:50] <jkridner> but I feel getting lots of userspace solutions will help drive the motivation to improve the kernel support for the types of sensors/drivers/etc. used in things like printers and robots.
  • [23:40:57] <ketas> almost all io works
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  • [23:41:10] <ds2> there is very little reason for userspace anything
  • [23:41:22] <jkridner> ds2: except a lack of expertise.
  • [23:41:40] <jkridner> integration can be faster in userspace.
  • [23:42:01] * jkridner feels a good drinks conversation coming on this weekend. :-)
  • [23:42:08] <veremit> userspace is a quick/dirty starting point
  • [23:42:16] <ketas> i should get more bbb's and run house with them
  • [23:42:19] <veremit> until you work out how to do it Properly :p
  • [23:42:24] <veremit> lol
  • [23:43:02] <veremit> kernel support will always be a challenge whilst there's still only one person holding the reins.
  • [23:43:02] <ds2> jkridner: userspace doesn't reduce the expertise... it makes it worse
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  • [23:43:22] <ketas> veremit: you have to wait until he dies
  • [23:43:28] <ds2> having done both approaches, there are so much more problems with userland then there is with the kernel
  • [23:43:29] <veremit> exactly
  • [23:43:50] <veremit> hope it doesn't turn out like the loss of Steve Jobs .. hehe
  • [23:43:54] <ds2> granted, some kernel APIs really make it difficult to do stuff
  • [23:44:35] <ketas> veremit: what did loss of jobs do actually?
  • [23:44:52] <veremit> not a whole load yet .. but I predict Apple will slow down
  • [23:46:11] <jkridner> ds2: kernel APIs? how can it really be an API if it is just "what is implemented today?" means constantly tracking the development.
  • [23:46:18] <ketas> veremit: iphone will die?
  • [23:46:32] <veremit> I wouldn't say "die" ..
  • [23:46:41] <ketas> become plastic crap
  • [23:46:48] <veremit> not something that widely .. erm ..
  • [23:46:51] <veremit> used.
  • [23:47:14] <ketas> can't make difference between iphone and myphone and sciphone and eyephone
  • [23:47:34] <veremit> whats the next killer i-product?
  • [23:48:07] <ketas> unsure, they already cover all things
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  • [23:48:28] <veremit> aha .. see - thats where the human weakness lies ..
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  • [23:48:51] <veremit> there is anew product .. and we odn't know what it is .. nor that we need it .. but we're gonna want it so bad ...
  • [23:48:51] <ketas> maybe they will buy iRobot?
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  • [23:49:35] <veremit> And that is the essence of Apple.
  • [23:49:43] <ketas> meh...
  • [23:50:01] <veremit> its good business :)
  • [23:50:09] <ketas> there were phones and tablets and laptops and portable music players before and after apple
  • [23:50:09] <veremit> Really good business
  • [23:50:17] <ketas> unsure where the business model is
  • [23:50:20] <ketas> but it works
  • [23:50:24] <veremit> Marketing
  • [23:50:40] <veremit> apple is a marketing company first and foremost, and a technology one second.
  • [23:50:53] <ketas> why bill gates never presented windows this way?
  • [23:51:05] <ds2> jkridner: there is a relatively stable kernel API for stuff
  • [23:51:13] <veremit> he did it differently .. he talked to Mr Intel and said .. here, you want this for your chips, don't you?
  • [23:51:34] <ds2> i.e. fill up a fops structure and register for a device...that has been pretty much the same within most major versions
  • [23:51:51] <veremit> And if I make the software more complicated, and you make your chips faster .. we make $$ :)
  • [23:51:56] <ds2> the input subsystem has been pretty stable since at least 2.6 days if not further back
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  • [23:52:09] <ds2> I routinely move drivers from old 2.6 kernels into 3.x kernels
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  • [23:52:50] <ketas> people poke version numbers too much
  • [23:52:56] <ketas> firefox 30, linux 3
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  • [23:53:32] <veremit> everything's on Rapid Release now .. like its a fashion
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  • [23:55:48] <ketas> "look this new gucci bag... and i also have firefox 100 now" "*wow*"
  • [23:56:12] <ketas> is it really like that
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