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  • [02:15:29] <Josh> good evening
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  • [02:17:04] <Guest66805> i have a beagleboard rev c4 and i'm unable to get the host usb port to work
  • [02:17:10] <Guest66805> any suggestions?
  • [02:17:37] <Guest66805> does anyone have a working rev c4 board?
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  • [02:22:13] <veremit> definitely the host port .. wiht a client device?
  • [02:22:19] <veremit> not the otg port :p
  • [02:24:49] <Guest66805> correct. i've tried connecting keyboard, mouse, wifi adapter, hub ...
  • [02:24:57] <Guest66805> nothing powers up or shows up in dmesg
  • [02:25:14] <veremit> did you plug it in before or after booting?
  • [02:25:21] <Guest66805> tried both
  • [02:25:47] <veremit> and the board definitely works, comes up with the beagle display on a hdmi-monitor?
  • [02:25:53] <veremit> or via web page
  • [02:26:12] <veremit> lots of happy flashy leds?
  • [02:26:23] <Guest66805> correct
  • [02:26:33] <Guest66805> i usually talk to the board over serial interface
  • [02:26:42] <veremit> on the debug header?
  • [02:27:04] <Guest66805> i've plugged it in over hdmi and seen stuff on my tv, but without a keyboard and mouse i can't do anything
  • [02:27:12] <veremit> newp gotcha
  • [02:27:29] <veremit> does sound like a dead host port
  • [02:27:44] <veremit> but I know that damn port has issues lol
  • [02:27:59] <Guest66805> i'm using the rs232 port located next to the sdcard
  • [02:28:12] <veremit> the what!?
  • [02:28:24] <veremit> not the Black then?
  • [02:28:38] <Guest66805> nope, beagleBOARD rev C4
  • [02:29:01] <veremit> my bad lol
  • [02:29:11] <veremit> principle should be the same though
  • [02:29:31] <Guest66805> a few years old at this point, i've never gotten it to work right, last fall i finally found a set of files that allowed me to boot but i'm just now getting around to playing with it some more
  • [02:30:12] <Guest66805> i tried google'ing the issue a few nights in a row but nothing turned up
  • [02:30:15] <veremit> usb host ports been quite troublesome with the am335x processors .. driver issue
  • [02:30:23] <Guest66805> not sure if it's hardware related or i just can't find the right files
  • [02:30:32] <Guest66805> sad :(
  • [02:30:33] <veremit> can you try a new image?
  • [02:30:47] <Guest66805> i've tried both ubunut and angstrom for the file system
  • [02:30:59] <veremit> usually it works if you power up with usb keyboard attached .. but then I only used the bone-black
  • [02:31:01] <Guest66805> wondering if it's the files in the boot partition
  • [02:32:18] <veremit> check dmesg for any usb issues .. mighta disabled the controller due to 'babble' interrupt
  • [02:32:24] <veremit> or something
  • [02:35:40] <Guest66805> haven't seen anything like that but i can try looking again for sure
  • [02:36:50] <veremit> it'll be something weird .. beagle issues usually are .. lol
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  • [02:37:28] <Guest66805> so i'm realizing
  • [02:37:50] <Guest66805> i've used both the rip and beagle bone as well and even the bone is ridiculous at times
  • [02:38:13] <Guest66805> *rpi
  • [02:39:04] <veremit> not done anything much with the Pi .. a fair bit wtih the BBB just with the linux bits (and a bit of LVDS conversion)
  • [02:39:20] <veremit> imx6 is my fav. platform atm
  • [02:39:35] <veremit> check out the wandboard :) wandboard.org
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  • [02:52:05] <Guest66805> i only see two things when i do an lsusb
  • [02:52:27] <Guest66805> root@arm:~# lsusb Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
  • [02:52:34] <Guest66805> root@arm:~# lsusb -t /: Bus 02.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=musb-hdrc/1p, 480M /: Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ehci-omap/3p, 480M
  • [02:52:58] <Guest66805> and this is what's in dmesg
  • [02:53:00] <Guest66805> root@arm:~# dmesg | grep usb [ 0.194763] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs [ 0.194885] usbcore: registered new interface driver hub [ 0.195129] usbcore: registered new device driver usb [ 0.195617] musb-omap2430 musb-omap2430: invalid resource [ 0.218475] musb-omap2430 musb-omap2430: musb core is not yet ready [ 0.218536] twl4030_usb twl4030_usb: Initialized TWL4030 USB module [ 0.278259] usbhs_o
  • [02:57:37] <veremit> "not yet ready" eh?
  • [02:58:08] <Guest66805> so it says
  • [02:58:11] <Guest66805> anyidea?
  • [02:58:22] <veremit> nope .. but its a starting point :)
  • [02:58:37] <veremit> never seen omap2430 though
  • [02:58:51] <veremit> "invalid resource" look suspicous
  • [02:59:08] <veremit> wonder if its got discrete usb on that board?
  • [02:59:13] <veremit> bbb it uses the processor one
  • [02:59:42] <Guest66805> hmmm
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  • [03:00:15] <veremit> my guess is once some of that lot is fixed .. you should have working usb ;)
  • [03:00:39] <veremit> troubleshooting kernel drivers .. oh fun that it is.
  • [03:02:51] <Guest66805> yeah... might be a module not getting loaded
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  • [03:06:35] <veremit> bit of googling should get you going :)
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  • [04:37:32] <rocky|quadcopter> veremit: those boards look pretty nice
  • [04:38:01] <veremit> uhoh am I still here?
  • [04:38:21] <rocky|quadcopter> lol
  • [04:38:48] <juneeeeeeeeeeeee> anyone know why the Beaglebone black REV C that RS COMPONENTS/RS ONLINE sell are made by ISO TECH? Are they legit? Thank you
  • [04:40:11] <veremit> our company has bought genuine BBB but they come in their lil beagle box with the beagle, etc .. never heard of an iso-tech version
  • [04:40:32] <veremit> element14 will have their version in a coupleof months I'd guess
  • [04:41:36] <mrpackethead> BBB can be made by anyone
  • [04:41:37] <mrpackethead> there is no restriction on who can make them.
  • [04:41:48] <rocky|quadcopter> yay opensource!
  • [04:41:52] <veremit> 'can' is the key word there
  • [04:41:57] <juneeeeeeeeeeeee> Yup, I have heard of the element 14 version but i have never heard of one made my isotech which made worry what kind of Beagle Bones RS Components are selling
  • [04:42:01] <veremit> only two companies have the license to make approved ones
  • [04:42:38] <veremit> I havent' seen chinese clones yet .. but there probably are some
  • [04:42:43] <mrpackethead> there are quite a few manufacturers nwo.
  • [04:42:50] <juneeeeeeeeeeeee> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-development-kits/7753805/
  • [04:42:51] <rocky|quadcopter> What does being "approved" offer? The permission to use the BeagleBone branding?
  • [04:42:53] <veremit> but they don't come through the reputable supplies like farnell /etc
  • [04:43:01] <veremit> rocky .. essentially
  • [04:43:08] <juneeeeeeeeeeeee> the rev b they used to sell were the official BB, but now it is ISO TECH. really odd
  • [04:43:10] <veremit> and it keeps jkridner happy
  • [04:43:21] <veremit> well .. circuitco were really struggling with production
  • [04:44:19] <mrpackethead> yes, there are.
  • [04:44:19] <mrpackethead> if CCO had been organised, this mess woud have never happened.
  • [04:44:19] <mrpackethead> and the price point was too low
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  • [04:44:26] <veremit> *cough*
  • [04:44:33] <veremit> lets not have that discussio in here
  • [04:44:44] <veremit> the margins were tight .. perhaps .. but nobody has made a loss on them.
  • [04:44:52] <veremit> or it would not be here today
  • [04:45:21] <mrpackethead> so, people could'nt make any money
  • [04:45:21] <mrpackethead> and why would you invest in additional produciton capablity, if you coud'nt make any $$$
  • [04:45:35] <mrpackethead> you'll see the price rise to about $55-60
  • [04:45:37] <veremit> I'm not 100% it was entirely circuitcos' fault either .. the beagle foundation were as much to blame I suspect
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  • [04:45:49] <juneeeeeeeeeeeee> if someone happens to get in contact wih jkridner. hope you guys could ask if ISO TECH of RS is official beacause the link i got is a straight link from Beagleboards page. Much appreciated.
  • [04:45:51] <veremit> and I only say that cos certain people aren't here
  • [04:46:09] <veremit> *awaits the flame war*
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  • [04:46:32] <mrpackethead> the cost of materials at 100k pces is just over $40
  • [04:46:33] <mrpackethead> when the retail price is $45
  • [04:46:35] <veremit> I Tell you today .. element14 can make it for the price margins . and they'll make a profit
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  • [04:47:15] <veremit> same as the pi foundation found for their product.
  • [04:47:19] <mrpackethead> theres NO money to be made, its minus money.
  • [04:47:29] <veremit> mrpackethead .. I cannot believe that.
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  • [04:47:54] <mrpackethead> and the price will be going up, to soemwhere between 55 and 60
  • [04:47:59] <veremit> nobody runs a business making a loss
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  • [04:48:04] <veremit> and I don't see the price rising
  • [04:48:11] <veremit> I don't see Pis at $50 do you?
  • [04:48:19] <veremit> nope
  • [04:48:21] <mrpackethead> your choice.
  • [04:48:21] <mrpackethead> to belive it or not.
  • [04:48:25] <veremit> indeed
  • [04:48:39] <veremit> since I'm just costing an imx6 board out myself :)
  • [04:48:41] <rocky|quadcopter> mrpackethead: are you talking about the price for rev c?
  • [04:48:56] <veremit> and the imx6 single-core is about $15
  • [04:49:04] <rocky|quadcopter> because yeah, I've already seen the price higher at online storefronts
  • [04:49:14] <mrpackethead> but PI doe'snt cost $40.32 in parts alone
  • [04:49:16] <mrpackethead> to make.
  • [04:49:16] <mrpackethead> then you have construction
  • [04:49:19] <veremit> the 4gB eMMC will bring about a price rise, yes.
  • [04:49:30] <mrpackethead> distribution
  • [04:49:37] <veremit> thats inevitabe .. look at the silicon cost.
  • [04:49:40] <mrpackethead> resellers margin.
  • [04:49:40] <mrpackethead> etc etc.
  • [04:49:49] <veremit> jkridner's already published that on thebeagle blog
  • [04:50:02] <veremit> electronics margins are notoriously tight
  • [04:50:06] <veremit> this ain't the 1980s any more
  • [04:50:16] <veremit> no 20% margin for Anyone.
  • [04:50:27] <veremit> except maybe apple :D
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  • [04:50:48] <mrpackethead> veremit, are you actively involved in teh electronics industyr?
  • [04:50:53] <veremit> yes, thanks
  • [04:51:04] <veremit> as I said .. costing out an imx6 dev board this month.
  • [04:51:10] <veremit> WITH pcb costs, etc.
  • [04:51:12] <mrpackethead> cool.
  • [04:51:13] <veremit> at UK prices!
  • [04:51:20] <mrpackethead> then go and have a look at the costs.
  • [04:51:30] <mrpackethead> and you'll work it out for yourself.
  • [04:51:31] <veremit> yes, inflated UK prices
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  • [04:51:44] <veremit> not chinese or american ones (although we may use US suppliers at our discretion)
  • [04:51:55] <veremit> we don't have access to china/taiwan/etc
  • [04:52:16] <mrpackethead> why?
  • [04:52:32] <mrpackethead> best thing i did was move all my production to china.
  • [04:52:33] <veremit> because our company doesn't deal in sufficient volume
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  • [04:52:53] <mrpackethead> so, you spend less than $1000?
  • [04:52:55] <veremit> and doesn'tbelieve in it .. which is their choice.
  • [04:53:10] <veremit> not entirely mine.
  • [04:53:14] <mrpackethead> that old "they only do huge voluems"
  • [04:53:17] <mrpackethead> is nonsence.
  • [04:53:19] <veremit> cos you'll never get the margin down
  • [04:53:27] <veremit> but eh.
  • [04:53:30] <veremit> not my decision lol.
  • [04:53:36] <mrpackethead> I send lots of jobs to china, that are between $10-20k
  • [04:53:42] <mrpackethead> and several betwee $2 and $5k
  • [04:53:53] <veremit> I've seen one or two pcb jobs .. the quality ain'tbad either
  • [04:53:54] <mrpackethead> and my fab company does jobs for $500 if i ned it.
  • [04:54:12] <mrpackethead> its a mixed bag of course.
  • [04:54:12] <veremit> I might pm ya off-board one day then ;)
  • [04:54:13] <mrpackethead> there is absolute crap
  • [04:54:21] <mrpackethead> and very very good as well
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  • [04:54:41] <veremit> yes one company we do use have offices out in asia
  • [04:55:07] <veremit> but for some reason we prefer the ones i nthe same country .. -shrug-
  • [04:55:22] <veremit> county* even too
  • [04:56:24] <veremit> But I don't buy the argument (certainly with current PR statements) that circuitco have gone bust making the beagle. I'm sorry.
  • [04:56:55] <veremit> especailly with demand so high
  • [04:57:17] <veremit> I do believe, and understand .. that there have been many factors at play.
  • [04:57:33] <mrpackethead> i did'nt say go bust.
  • [04:57:39] <mrpackethead> I said can't make any money.
  • [04:57:54] <veremit> it never was their exclusive business line
  • [04:57:59] <mrpackethead> I'd also take much of what CCO say with a big grain of salt
  • [04:58:05] <veremit> but I don't believe that it wouldn't stand alone safely.
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  • [07:41:54] <treeherder> hhi guys
  • [07:42:36] <treeherder> i've done a bit of microcontroller stuff and have experience with a variety of a boards, but I just plugged my BBB in and am flashing to the emmc nad i've got a load of questions
  • [07:42:44] <treeherder> i'll start off easy with
  • [07:43:28] <treeherder> i noticed the emmc only has 2GB right, so once i flash my image and boot from the emmc, should i format the SD card for /home/ or something?
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  • [07:43:51] <trevize> hello, anyone here having copy/paste issues with cloud9?
  • [07:43:53] <treeherder> i already made the mistake of trying to boot form the emmc while the sd was still plugged in
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  • [08:48:37] <dastaan> Hello, I think i might have made a mistake while powering up BBB through P9 header and now it doesn't powerup. Do we have a fuse or something ?
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  • [08:58:59] <tbr> dastaan: read the SRM
  • [08:59:05] <tbr> dastaan: what did you do?
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  • [09:01:36] <dastaan> Actually, I designed a mother board for it to make it like an industrial PC, however while mounting, I might have made a mistake and now it's not turning on.
  • [09:02:34] <dastaan> make it work*
  • [09:02:37] <tbr> then your mistake might have destroyed it
  • [09:02:47] <dastaan> Yes, that's pretty much it
  • [09:02:50] <dastaan> :|
  • [09:03:00] <dastaan> and there's no fuse on it
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  • [10:35:14] <k-man> is there any way to see progress of the emmc updating process
  • [10:35:16] <k-man> ?
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  • [10:39:21] <trevize> nope, if it takes more than 20 mins, it probably failed
  • [10:40:43] <k-man> trevize, ok, thakns
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  • [10:59:10] <k-man> the problem with microSD cards is they are so frikkin micro
  • [10:59:22] <k-man> how am I supposed to label this thing ;)
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  • [11:47:34] <k-man> trevize, good idea!
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  • [12:21:30] <wayne__> hi i would like have some help on accessing gpio pins in bbxm, unboxed it last week
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  • [14:35:35] <deluxe247> i need some advice. I have a sainsmart 3.2" tft lcd and need to know how to connect it to my bbb. I was looking at the lcd pins of the bbb and it seems as though i would be connecting the databus 0-15 pins to the lcd 0-15 pins. is that correct?
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  • [14:37:36] <oosquirrel> i can flash the angstrom image all day long onto beaglebone black, but cant get ubuntu or debian to flash using their emmc flasher image. anyone else encounter this? (090413 angstrom, 050614 14.04 ubuntu, 7.5 debian)
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  • [14:47:14] <rubberneck> oosquirrel: i also had issues with the ubuntu 14.04 2014-05-06 the debian 7.4 2014-04-23 worked fine.
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  • [14:49:25] <rubberneck> oosquirrel: the issue with the ubuntu one is it tires to unmount the /dev/mmcblk1p1 and p2 since they are not mounted it errors out.
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  • [15:27:21] <oosquirrel> rubberneck, thanks for your response.
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  • [15:28:15] <oosquirrel> rubberneck: , thankyou for your response
  • [15:28:47] <rubberneck> oosquirrel: yeah np i was able to get ubuntu to load by logging into the flasher and mounted the emm and then re running the beaglebone-black-eMMC-flasher.sh script
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  • [15:31:10] <oosquirrel> im going to give it a shot as we speak.
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  • [15:32:00] <oosquirrel> did you mount both emmc partitions to any arbitrary location?
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  • [15:32:51] <rubberneck> oosquirrel: just made some temp dirs in the /mnt and mounted them there
  • [15:33:01] <oosquirrel> rubberneck: great, i feel fully prepared. writing a new sd card as we speak (i was grasping at straws until i found the flash debug folder.
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  • [15:59:06] <Tommy24> Can someone help me to run debian + xenomai on bbb?
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  • [16:03:51] <oosquirrel> rubberneck: 14.04 goodness, being flashed properly. hope this helps someone in the future!
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  • [19:03:51] <deluxe247> so Im trying to hook this screen up to my beaglebone black: http://www.sainsmart.com/sainsmart-3-2-tft-lcd-display-touch-panel-pcb-adapter-sd-slot-for-arduino-2560.html can anyone help with this?
  • [19:04:31] <deluxe247> It looks as though I should be able to use the beaglebone's lcdc to control it
  • [19:06:43] <spce_> HI
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  • [19:09:04] <deluxe247> has anyone one had any luck with this i see this done over spi with the pre 3.8 kernel change
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  • [19:33:38] <nwmcsween_> hi I just got my bbb, hooked it up to a windows 7 pc and nothing comes up?
  • [19:33:42] <nwmcsween_> is that normal?
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  • [19:39:57] <spce_> Hi i loaded a project software to the board and now it is not showing up in my computer
  • [19:40:06] <spce_> is there a hard reset
  • [19:40:35] <nyt-> flash via sdcard
  • [19:40:58] <veremit> nwmcsween_ .. you usually have to install some drivers
  • [19:41:03] <nwmcsween_> I did
  • [19:41:08] <nwmcsween_> led's are flashing
  • [19:41:16] <veremit> then I -think- you should get an extra disk drive
  • [19:41:23] <veremit> I've never done it with windoze
  • [19:41:30] <nwmcsween_> no nothing
  • [19:41:43] <veremit> you shuold be able to open a web browser to 192.168.2.7 is it?
  • [19:41:51] <nyt-> 72.
  • [19:41:52] <nyt-> 7.2
  • [19:41:53] <veremit> somebody help me out here .. never done windoze
  • [19:41:54] <nyt-> 192.168.7.2
  • [19:41:57] <veremit> thanks nyt-
  • [19:42:14] <nwmcsween_> nothing there either
  • [19:42:17] <nyt-> if your computer doesnt detect the device it wont work
  • [19:42:26] <nyt-> either you have defective hardware or corrupt flash most likely
  • [19:42:29] <nyt-> try reflashing or something
  • [19:42:35] <nwmcsween_> ugh
  • [19:42:37] <nyt-> or hook up hdmi/seril
  • [19:42:39] <nyt-> serial
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  • [19:42:56] <nyt-> lol they made it easy enough to flash with the flasher images all you have to do is write an sd card and boot it
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  • [19:51:48] <spce_> I have a project writen as a uImage what program do i use to edit it
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  • [20:23:13] <veremit> you can't create an application as a uImage.
  • [20:23:18] <veremit> not in my understanding ..
  • [20:23:22] <veremit> theoretcially, perhaps.
  • [20:23:31] <veremit> uimage is just a kernel.
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  • [20:24:30] <alan_o> I missed the first part of this, so I'm not sure if this is relevant, but you can roll up your root filesystem into an initrd, and you can attach that initrd to your kernel.
  • [20:24:47] <alan_o> It gives you a way to have a single-file environment.
  • [20:25:33] <alan_o> It allows you to create, for example, a system with no filesystem/block drivers loaded.
  • [20:25:47] <alan_o> You can attach a devicetree the same way
  • [20:26:29] <alan_o> So maybe that's what you mean by "application as a uImage"
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  • [20:28:12] <veremit> alan_o .. yes, I believed this to be possible .. but certainly not a common implementation :)
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  • [20:29:23] <alan_o> veremit: probably more common in consumer devices than you might think. I work on a consumer set-top box that works this way.
  • [20:30:00] <veremit> alan_o .. makes sense & more secure
  • [20:30:21] <veremit> but .. Beagle was never licensed or designed for use in OEM products :)
  • [20:30:27] <myself> i work on a vehicle nav system that works this way in recovery more. normal mode had a real rootfs on emmc
  • [20:30:29] <veremit> *mandatory disclaimer* lol
  • [20:31:17] <alan_o> I mean for Linux on embedded devices in general, although you can do it on a beagle.
  • [20:32:31] <veremit> yup :) I'm with ya.
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  • [20:32:56] <veremit> can I ask how the nav system works, roughly?
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  • [20:34:28] <myself> it's an embedded Linux box with some vehicle interface goodies.
  • [20:34:36] <myself> there's not much to it.
  • [20:39:57] <myself> in recovery mode, the system comes up with a different devicetree that runs the fan at full speed and stuff, and the init scripts are basically just looking for a USB device containing recovery files
  • [20:41:06] <alan_o> your vehicle has been booted in safe mode....
  • [20:41:27] <myself> not the whole car, just one module
  • [20:42:39] <myself> vehicle networks are delightfully independent. modules may set all sorts of fault codes if they can't talk to their buddies, but they will continue to operate as long as the bare minimum stuff is available.
  • [20:43:43] <myself> There's a rather interesting set of failsafes in some things, I'm familiar with one system where, if the HVAC module doesn't hear from the button-panel for a certain period (I think it's 30 seconds), it turns on the defroster since that's the maximally-safe thing to do.
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  • [20:47:54] <Laurenceb_> hi
  • [20:48:04] <Laurenceb_> im looking for a high frame rate camera for beaglebone
  • [20:48:13] <Laurenceb_> does anything off the shelf exist?
  • [20:48:16] <Laurenceb_> >60fps
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  • [20:51:58] <veremit> cool lol
  • [20:52:20] <veremit> just wondered what kinda set up you had .. gps, etc .. linkup or storage of nav data, etc.
  • [20:52:36] <veremit> since there are a few different ways to go about it
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  • [20:54:18] <myself> well, some of the details are proprietary but I think I can say all the systems I've worked on use local storage for the nav data, though they may get live traffic info by various means
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  • [21:24:12] <Tommy24> Can someone help me with bbb to install xenomai?
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  • [21:35:57] <veremit> rocky|quadcopter was doin it yesterday I think
  • [21:37:01] <Tommy24> No success :(
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  • [22:04:18] <veremit> what OS are you running Tommy24?
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  • [22:09:58] <Tommy24> On bbb iam running debian
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  • [22:11:02] <Tommy24> "Debian (BeagleBone Black - 2GB eMMC) 2014-04-23"
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  • [22:16:55] <veremit> ok
  • [22:17:08] <veremit> its not something I've done myself .. but Ill see if I can find you some pointers ..
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  • [22:18:42] <Tommy24> Okay thanks
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  • [22:25:14] <veremit> Tommy24 .. here is one approach .. https://github.com/DrunkenInfant/beaglebone-xenomai/blob/master/beaglebone-xenomai-debian.md
  • [22:26:33] <veremit> this .. http://sagar.se/xenomai-debian-on-bbb.html .. is much simpler
  • [22:27:09] <veremit> but looks like there are bits missing
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  • [22:39:05] <Tommy24> Yeah i've seen but this explanation bit this is not fine to understand for someone who never done this
  • [22:39:56] <veremit> true
  • [22:40:07] <veremit> this is quite complicated stuff
  • [22:40:30] <veremit> I'm sure someone was referring to a more detailed guide somewhre .. but I'm not sure where
  • [22:44:19] <veremit> Tommy24 .. my logs say .. http://brunosmartins.info/xenomai-on-the-beaglebone-black-in-14-easy-steps/
  • [22:46:12] <Tommy24> Yeah this ive tried but i stuck on step preparing the sd card i dont have an "uImage" and i dont have a "uImage-3.8.13" on "sd/boot/" so my problem is to install the kernel not not compile
  • [22:49:08] <veremit> what do you have?
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  • [22:51:12] <Tommy24> Wha os im using to compile the kernel?
  • [22:52:00] <veremit> no
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  • [22:53:33] <Tommy24> What do you mean then?
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  • [22:56:10] <veremit> when you build the kernel .. you shuold end with a uImage
  • [22:56:14] <veremit> or a zImage sometimes
  • [22:56:18] <veremit> let me get the instructions up
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  • [22:59:36] <Tommy24> i got a "Image"
  • [23:00:29] <veremit> somethings' broken then
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  • [23:02:04] <veremit> so how far down this have you got?
  • [23:02:10] <veremit> I don't have my build system here to try it on
  • [23:02:36] <veremit> you'll see step 9 says "Make <blah> uImage dtbs modules"
  • [23:02:58] <veremit> that should result in a file "uImage" in that build folder
  • [23:03:09] <Tommy24> Yeah step 9 - then i got a "Image" not "zImage" or "uImage"
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  • [23:04:25] <veremit> ok somehow you got a broken build system
  • [23:05:07] <veremit> possibly if you're not building it on ubuntu .. which those instructions use
  • [23:05:26] <Tommy24> But i got no errors
  • [23:06:01] <veremit> possibly masked
  • [23:06:32] <veremit> make uImage > tells it to make a uImage file .. but it won't unless the uboot package is installed, for example
  • [23:06:41] <veremit> zImage needs gzip I think
  • [23:06:43] <veremit> bzImage bzip
  • [23:06:47] <veremit> sorta thing
  • [23:07:05] <Tommy24> Hmm okay so you think i've to try to compile with debian?
  • [23:08:02] <veremit> you need the right compiler package and uboot
  • [23:08:12] <veremit> if you're using ubuntu, in theory, that should work
  • [23:08:16] <veremit> so...
  • [23:08:53] <veremit> try "sudo apt-get install uboot-mkimage"
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  • [23:09:16] <veremit> I'm guessing thats not installed
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  • [23:10:08] <Tommy24> For me its "u-boot-tools" but it is already installed
  • [23:10:36] <Tommy24> so u boot-mkimage referred to u-boot-tools
  • [23:10:49] <veremit> oh
  • [23:11:19] <veremit> which ubuntu?
  • [23:11:24] <veremit> I see a separate mkimage package
  • [23:11:48] <veremit> oh wait
  • [23:11:50] <veremit> hrm
  • [23:12:01] <veremit> nvm
  • [23:12:15] <Tommy24> 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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  • [23:18:58] <veremit> hmm not sure I know where to start unpicking that then
  • [23:20:44] <Tommy24> Hmm
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  • [23:24:54] <veremit> hang in here though, someone's bound to have the answer
  • [23:25:34] * nyt- yawns
  • [23:25:35] <nyt-> wordup
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  • [23:28:56] <Tommy24> Ahhhhh great i compiled twice and i got the zImage o.O
  • [23:29:50] <veremit> might need a 'make clean' or even 'make distclean' if you got a part-compile
  • [23:29:55] <veremit> mornin nyt-?! :P
  • [23:30:14] <veremit> any ideas why we might have an Image and no uImage? got uboot-tools ...
  • [23:35:20] <nyt-> nah its 730 here ;)
  • [23:35:30] <nyt-> building what with what command
  • [23:35:46] <veremit> xenomai kernel
  • [23:35:55] <veremit> Ican't think why a Make uImage wold fail
  • [23:36:04] <veremit> or rather .. fail to do the 'uImage# bit
  • [23:36:27] <Tommy24> Now i got a zImage.. is it wring?
  • [23:36:31] <Tommy24> *wrong
  • [23:36:48] <veremit> for what you're doin, yes unfortunately
  • [23:37:17] <Tommy24> "make -j16 ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- LOADADDR=0x80008000 uImage dtbs modules"
  • [23:37:18] <nyt-> well
  • [23:37:20] <nyt-> do you have mkimage?
  • [23:37:50] <veremit> what does "mkimage --help" say ? (two dashes - -help)
  • [23:38:08] <Tommy24> is installed
  • [23:38:28] <nyt-> not familiar with xenomai
  • [23:38:30] <nyt-> let me check some docs real quick
  • [23:38:43] <nyt-> well command seems kosher enough
  • [23:38:46] <veremit> working from .. http://brunosmartins.info/xenomai-on-the-beaglebone-black-in-14-easy-steps/
  • [23:38:47] <nyt-> please paste output frmo the make command
  • [23:38:53] <nyt-> pastebin
  • [23:39:27] <nyt-> run it without -j16
  • [23:39:33] <nyt-> otherwise itll keep running after a failure on a branch
  • [23:40:04] <Tommy24> Wait let me dl all stuff again
  • [23:45:16] <nyt-> out of curiosity what are you using xenomai for
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  • [23:48:00] <Tommy24> I need it for some experiments with a real time os to learn how i can programming and using it
  • [23:51:33] <veremit> nyt- pm?
  • [23:51:46] <nyt-> sure
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