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  • [00:08:31] <Guest19403> What is a cape? Is it basically a sensor for the board?
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  • [00:28:14] <BellinganRoy> Hy bordicon
  • [00:28:35] <bordicon> Hey BellinganRoy
  • [00:29:30] <bordicon> anyone have experience with the craneboard? I am evaluating it for possible deployment on a cubesat
  • [00:30:05] <bordicon> Running into issues getting serial console output on uart3
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  • [00:46:10] <keneth> Hi everyone, I have a question regarding opening the led brightness file on the beaglebone. If I use the command ledHangle = fopen("/sys/class/leds/beaglebone:green:usr3/brightness/") it returns a NULL to the LED handle. I know the file is there, is this a permissions issue?
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  • [00:56:18] <keneth> also does anybody know how to stop gdb-multiarch ??
  • [00:56:44] <keneth> if it is listening on a port and I want it to stop because I can't start the degubber on the client
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  • [00:57:51] <GumShoe> https://launchpad.net/linaro-toolchain-binaries/+milestone/2013.11
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  • [04:28:44] <Thalheim> just to confirm -- binaries compiled for the A9 will NOT run on the beaglebone black?
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  • [04:33:02] <BeagleMon> Hello, i am currently working with interfacing LCD with BBB, strange character comes out, doubt it should be initialization problem but have tried lots of initialization sequence but not working, anyone can provide me advice?
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  • [04:33:57] <Thalheim> prpplague: I don't know which settings were used on the compiler; I'm trying to use proprietary drivers and don't have access to the source. All I was told was "They were developed for the A9's"
  • [04:34:07] <prpplague> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_processor#Cores
  • [04:34:24] <prpplague> Thalheim: recommendation - don't use proprietary drivers
  • [04:34:53] <prpplague> BeagleBot: helps if you provide some information about what kind of LCD it is
  • [04:34:56] <Thalheim> I have no choice; it's for an industrial application and there *are* no other drivers available
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  • [04:35:41] <hylian|surface> is there some sort of general place to talk about TI?
  • [04:35:45] <Thalheim> k
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  • [04:36:56] <BeagleMon> <prpplague> yes it is LCD 16 x 2 HD44780 compatible
  • [04:37:15] <prpplague> hylian|surface: hehe, feel free to talk _about_ TI here , there is also a #troll channel, hehe
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  • [04:37:22] <BeagleMon> <prpplague> i think i will change my nickname soon, BeagleMon
  • [04:37:37] <hylian|surface> well i'm looking for people interning at ti next summer...
  • [04:37:41] <hylian|surface> ...interested in sharing a room
  • [04:37:42] <hylian|surface> llol
  • [04:37:59] <prpplague> *cough* i am sorry
  • [04:38:59] <prpplague> hylian|surface: hehe there is a #ti-alumni channel, but that really isn't going to help you since it's populated by folks who were some of the 4000 people laid off last year from TI
  • [04:39:10] <hylian|surface> heh...
  • [04:40:47] <prpplague> hylian|surface: generally a few months before getting organized for the intership they have a mailing list for interns to get together for such things as car/travel/accomodations
  • [04:40:55] <hylian|surface> i see
  • [04:40:59] <hylian|surface> thanks!
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  • [04:47:05] <GumShoe> I'm looking for cross development toolchain to run on windows for the BBB. Ideas?
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  • [04:47:54] <GumShoe> How about these from Linaro? https://launchpad.net/linaro-toolchain-binaries/+milestone/2013.11
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  • [04:49:25] <Thalheim> GumShoe: you could run QEMU in Windows to emulate a BBB
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  • [04:52:14] <GumShoe> Hmm QEMU looks interesting. Sure would like to just use Eclipse on windows for cross development. The toolchains for cross d. are availble for linux.
  • [04:53:50] <GumShoe> Visual Studio would be even better. I found this on github https://github.com/ckormanyos/real-time-cpp loaded in vs2012 and it compiled using build tools the author built.
  • [04:54:04] <GumShoe> However it's part of the solution rather than a template.
  • [04:55:06] <Thalheim> GumShoe: http://beagleboard.org/resources halfway down the page... does that help?
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  • [04:58:31] <GumShoe> The code sourcery? That's a 'lite' version that installs a version of their ide which I belive is a licensed visual studio. Past experiences have soured me on having my normal visual studio and a vendors version. Updates become a nightmare. I'll check it out a bit more though.
  • [04:58:57] <prpplague> GumShoe: http://www.yagarto.org/
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  • [05:06:20] <GumShoe> That link refers to https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded which I have installed. I've had trouble getting a clean compile. I think I'm not pointing to the correct includes.
  • [05:06:57] <Thalheim> GumShoe: want me to try to compile it for you on a slightly different system?
  • [05:07:44] <GumShoe> It compiles on the BBB. Trying to get a cross development IDE setup. It's just helloWorld.
  • [05:10:49] <GumShoe> I'll try emIDE it might give me some hints to finishing the toolchain setup under Eclipse. Trying not to have to many IDEs...
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  • [05:42:38] <sudhi> hi
  • [05:43:08] <sudhi> anybody there to help me
  • [05:44:01] <vagrantc> if you ask a question about what you're trying to do, someone might be able to respond
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  • [05:44:16] <vagrantc> but it may take a while
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  • [05:48:17] <sudhi> how to start beaglebord programming
  • [05:49:50] <vagrantc> you might want a more specific question...
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  • [05:54:00] <sudhi> i want to start using beagleboard
  • [05:54:06] <sudhi> can anybody healp
  • [05:54:20] <sudhi> healp
  • [05:54:23] <sudhi> help
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  • [05:58:31] <W1N9Zr0> sudhi: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=start+using+beagleboard
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  • [05:58:39] <sudhi> how to start beagle bord programming
  • [05:59:11] <BeagleMon> Hello, i am having problem in interfacing a 16 x 2 LCD to BBB, anybody can provide assistance?
  • [06:01:55] <BeagleMon> strange character comes out despite of various initialization protocol implemented, sometimes instruction sent is not interpreted by the LCD
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  • [06:09:06] <ds2> how are you driving it?
  • [06:09:10] <ds2> GPIOs or LIDD?
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  • [06:09:26] <_av500_> LIDD?
  • [06:09:39] <ds2> the accelerator in the chip
  • [06:10:07] <_av500_> if somethin' needs acceleratin' its that :)
  • [06:10:15] <ds2> hahahaaha
  • [06:10:28] <ds2> think it only works for the parallel wiring configuration
  • [06:12:14] <BuiHai> hi, i'm newbie . i have a problem . I have debuged GPIO sample OK on eclipse. but,if i exit eclipse, and plug in again, it doesn't work. i don't know how to run my project when i plug in 5V DC
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  • [06:13:01] <BuiHai> i think i need setup it in startup , but i don't know how , can u help me ?
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  • [06:18:24] <BeagleMon> <ds2> sorry are you referring to my post previously?
  • [06:19:16] <BeagleMon> i am driving it using GPIO
  • [06:19:38] <BeagleMon> is there a problem with it?
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  • [06:20:46] <GumShoe> I'm looking for someone that has experience configureing Eclipse under windows to cross develope from windows to the BBB.
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  • [06:24:11] <ds2> how are you wiring it, beagleMon?
  • [06:24:17] <ds2> parallel? serial? 8bit? 4bit?
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  • [06:49:42] <BeagleMon> <ds2> i think should be serial, 8 bit
  • [06:50:15] <BeagleMon> i have even tried 4 bit
  • [06:50:27] <BeagleMon> still sam eproblem persist
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  • [06:51:49] <Tejas_> Hello everyone, I am new user for angstrom and beagle-bone board also, and I want to set our company app on this board for that my first step to set company logo on start-up screen for that I have to change start-up logo of beagle-bone black, when I update angstrom OS then start-up logo go off and just Angstrom(logo) come and when I changed background then Angstrom(logo) also gone... At this time just black screen came on start-up p
  • [06:52:59] <BeagleMon> driving the 8 bits through GPIO based on instruction then toggle the enable, either strange character comes out or instruction not responded by LCD
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  • [07:07:51] <GumShoe> Anyone want to look at this console log from a build in Eclipse where I attempt to cross develope from Windows/eclipse to BBB http://pastebin.com/6Q0HMuNN
  • [07:09:14] <ds2> check ur timing
  • [07:09:16] <ds2> those suckers are slow
  • [07:09:30] <GumShoe> I'm particulary curious about the -mcpu=arm8 Is that correct for BBB?
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  • [08:45:39] <av500> it takes more than that
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  • [09:04:00] <beagle13> Can anyone help in enabling 6LoWPAN in beaglebone white
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  • [09:09:35] <KotH> beagle13: use the power of google
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  • [09:10:02] <Sam_> Hi
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  • [09:21:21] <av500> Lo
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  • [09:30:18] <BeagleMon> <ds2> that means i have to make the data transfer faster?
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  • [09:32:00] <av500> slower rather
  • [09:32:11] <av500> check the protocol wiht a scope
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  • [09:35:15] <BeagleMon> <@av500> actually i have been testing with that, if i toggle the enable and release it faster or slower, fastest i have tested is 2 ms slowest is 10 s
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  • [09:36:46] <BeagleMon> the faster method sometimes not responding, slowest one i noticed the LCD keep on changing despite holding the enable constant
  • [09:41:44] <BeagleMon> <@av500> i am not sure what scope you referred to, but i have probed with a multimeter the signal is responding between the connection
  • [09:43:04] <av500> an oscilloscope
  • [09:43:10] <av500> if you have access to one
  • [09:43:41] <BeagleMon> yes i have that, but may i know what is the parameter of interest?
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  • [09:44:12] <av500> checking that the signals you produce adhere to the data sheet
  • [09:44:17] <av500> like setup and hold times
  • [09:45:28] <BeagleMon> data sheet mentioned at least more than 0.1 ms longest is about 4.1 ms and what i have tested is more than that
  • [09:46:33] <BeagleMon> <@av500> so your opiniion is that i have to match the setup, hold and fall time to see any discrepancy with the datasheet?
  • [09:46:50] <BeagleMon> if there is means LCD fault?
  • [09:47:09] <av500> I doubt its faulty
  • [09:47:16] <av500> most likely you do "something wrong"
  • [09:47:20] <av500> but I cannot tell from here
  • [09:47:43] <BeagleMon> hmm, thats true but i have no point to start from
  • [09:48:02] <BeagleMon> have tested 3 LCD it shouldnt be that problem
  • [09:48:13] <av500> 3 lcd and?
  • [09:48:18] <av500> they work?
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  • [09:48:26] <BeagleMon> no, same problem
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  • [09:48:37] <av500> ah
  • [09:48:42] <av500> so: most likely you do "something wrong"
  • [09:48:48] <sudhi> is beagleboard black support android
  • [09:48:55] <av500> yes
  • [09:49:11] <av500> a CPU does not care what SW it runs
  • [09:49:26] <BeagleMon> programming wise i am just doing simple thing, using cloud IDE
  • [09:49:55] <BeagleMon> <@av500> yes, please continue enlighting me
  • [09:50:07] <av500> well
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  • [09:50:31] <av500> programming a HD44780 is rather trivial
  • [09:50:35] <av500> so check again all your signals
  • [09:50:44] <av500> or maybe pastebin your code
  • [09:51:02] <sudhi> from beableboard black documentaion it says android will support soon ,is it now support
  • [09:51:57] <av500> http://icculus.org/~hendersa/android/
  • [09:52:04] <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=android+beaglebone+black
  • [09:52:48] <BeagleMon> my code is very simple just setting signal of D0-D7 high with respect to RS signal then after a certain period of time and toggle the enable signal
  • [09:52:49] <av500> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeSt1Y7FhEs
  • [09:52:49] <sudhi> can we enable UART
  • [09:53:58] <BeagleMon> R/W was connected to ground
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  • [09:54:22] <sudhi> can we enable UART
  • [09:54:43] <sudhi> can we enable UART in BBB
  • [09:55:08] <KotH> we can, but i dont know about you ;)
  • [09:56:34] <av500> on mine it came pre-enabled
  • [09:57:05] <BeagleMon> ??, you mean the LCD?
  • [09:57:34] <BeagleMon> that means its a custom made?
  • [09:58:39] <BeagleMon> hmm the enable part what people did is to connect it to switch, what i did is toggling using GPIO instead
  • [09:59:55] <BeagleMon> dont think it should be much problem
  • [09:59:56] <SproutinGeek> Hi... Is there any possible way to create a custom build of android over BBB with UART enabled...???
  • [10:03:14] <KotH> yes, of course there is
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  • [10:32:45] <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+set+baud+rate
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  • [10:44:04] <somesomething> how to change the moneyrate of job2
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  • [10:59:58] <KotH> somesomething: does your boss have a daughter?
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  • [11:45:32] <SproutinGeek> hi.. is there any new driver to be written for getting UART data from BBB
  • [11:45:35] <SproutinGeek> ?
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  • [11:46:11] <jeet_> i have interest in renewable/green energy/new construction design as well as programming. any tips on the right job path?
  • [11:47:55] <suihkulokki> learn mandarin chinese
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  • [11:48:37] <LetoThe2nd> SproutinGeek: no new driver. old driver. why write a new one, when the old one works?
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  • [11:48:55] <jeet_> mandarin not cantonese? lol
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  • [12:01:04] <mdp> LetoThe2nd, out with the old, in with the new we always say
  • [12:01:26] <LetoThe2nd> mdp: \o/
  • [12:02:23] <KotH> mdp: ah.. that's why you support ACPI?!?
  • [12:03:03] <mdp> jeet_, hone software engineering skills, apply to work at Nest...they are a high profile GreenEnergyProductsCompany(tm). Be happy.
  • [12:03:15] <mdp> KotH, that's correct
  • [12:03:31] <mdp> KotH, but mostly, it's a standard
  • [12:03:39] * KotH nods
  • [12:04:06] <KotH> kick out old gf, move in with new gf
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  • [12:04:40] <mdp> meet the new boss...same as the old boss
  • [12:05:37] <jeet_> lol
  • [12:06:01] <jeet_> looking at nest website the applications are how do i say
  • [12:06:05] <jeet_> they seem irrelevant
  • [12:06:18] <jeet_> thermostat
  • [12:06:22] <jeet_> carbon monoxide detector?
  • [12:07:14] <KotH> yes, co is a major factor that causes people to die
  • [12:07:27] <KotH> more dead people means less people who polute the environment
  • [12:07:35] <KotH> hence you want to optimize your co level
  • [12:07:44] <KotH> and for that you need co detectors
  • [12:08:26] <jeet_> lmao
  • [12:08:41] <jeet_> i dunno ijust dont get excited about flimsy gadgets
  • [12:10:15] <jeet_> i guess i'm looking for a cool job
  • [12:10:21] <jeet_> but don't know if exists
  • [12:10:39] <jeet_> someone told me to be a plumber
  • [12:10:41] <LetoThe2nd> like, money for nothing, and chicks for free?
  • [12:10:54] <jeet_> if i wanted people to put crisp dollar bills in my hand
  • [12:11:16] <jeet_> they said engineering is bunk. something about clients always complaining
  • [12:11:52] <jeet_> nah like "i design electrical systems for buildings/aircraft/transportation systems" maybe
  • [12:12:05] <jeet_> "i design computer chips" doesnt have the same ring to it
  • [12:12:10] <KotH> that's the touble with you young scallwags of today.. you expect to start in a the top instead of working up from the bottom!
  • [12:12:14] <LetoThe2nd> if you want to save the planet, study mechanics and develop a diesel enigine that saves 1% fuel on largest scale engines.
  • [12:12:24] <jeet_> hey i just want to work at the right bottom
  • [12:12:29] <jeet_> so i make it to the right top
  • [12:12:40] <jeet_> also no offense, but dont group me with todays young peddlers
  • [12:12:42] <jeet_> i am top of class
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  • [12:12:50] <jeet_> not to sound cocky or anything
  • [12:12:55] <LetoThe2nd> great, we are all super proud of you.
  • [12:13:04] * LetoThe2nd throws some confetti
  • [12:13:10] <jeet_> lol
  • [12:13:24] <KotH> jeet_: how old are you and what's your education level?
  • [12:13:34] <jeet_> 26, bachelor of engineering electrical
  • [12:13:43] <KotH> what uni?
  • [12:13:51] <jeet_> McMaster
  • [12:13:57] <jeet_> in canada
  • [12:14:15] <KotH> hmm.. never heard of
  • [12:14:24] <jeet_> not the best i know. i hate that it has not an outstanding reputation
  • [12:14:34] <KotH> and what took you so long to get a bachelor?
  • [12:14:35] <jeet_> i always told myself it didnt matter where u come from, it matters what you can do
  • [12:14:41] <jeet_> indecision i suppose
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  • [12:15:07] <KotH> it doesnt matter whether your uni has an outstanding reputation or not, what matters is whether you learn something or not
  • [12:16:54] <KotH> so.. if you are top of class, go to berkley, stanford, mit, eth, karlsruhe,... and study something there
  • [12:17:15] <KotH> todai and waseda shouldnt be too bad either
  • [12:17:25] <jeet_> i believe i learned very little of what i could have. also i kind of messed up a few grades in later years i can show u grades if u want
  • [12:17:33] <jeet_> and i dont know if more school is the way
  • [12:17:35] <jeet_> my family is poor
  • [12:17:43] <KotH> more school is always good
  • [12:17:54] <jeet_> is it?
  • [12:17:57] <KotH> unless you just use it to have a good life, not much to do and meet girls
  • [12:18:19] <KotH> yes, it is
  • [12:18:30] <KotH> you are talking to someone who has been enrolled for 9y and counting..
  • [12:18:38] <jeet_> ok i will consider it despite your potential bias
  • [12:18:57] <KotH> ofc, you an do great without school
  • [12:19:00] <jeet_> not to sound like a jerk or anyhting
  • [12:19:04] <KotH> but it's harder and you need to be good
  • [12:19:08] <KotH> which you are obviously not
  • [12:19:35] <jeet_> obviously not?
  • [12:19:45] <jeet_> also as an aside, do u know UofT?
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  • [12:23:24] <KotH> i've met a graduate of UofT in tokyo. good guy, a bit weird, but a good drinking budy
  • [12:23:59] <jeet_> please explain 'which you are obviously not'
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  • [12:24:51] <az> hello all
  • [12:25:07] <az> Im a bit new with the beagle bone black
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  • [12:25:21] <Guest65432> should i register the serial umber some where??
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  • [12:25:51] <KotH> jeet_: well, i've met a lot of great people. the ones that were at your age, behaved differently. a lot differently.
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  • [12:26:17] <jeet_> can you be more specific?
  • [12:26:25] <mdp> KotH, another brainwashing victim.
  • [12:26:35] <KotH> jeet_: you're way too cocky
  • [12:26:40] <jeet_> 9 years of schooling must have got to him
  • [12:26:57] <jeet_> cocky? based on what?
  • [12:27:02] <KotH> jeet_: you have not found something that interests you so much that you life just for that one thing
  • [12:27:20] <jeet_> also so called 'great people' are often cocky no?
  • [12:27:21] <KotH> mdp: jeet_ or me? :)
  • [12:27:23] <jeet_> 'cocky'
  • [12:27:27] <KotH> no, they arent
  • [12:27:34] <mdp> KotH, everybody with an education ;)
  • [12:27:36] <jeet_> maybe to you they are
  • [12:27:41] <KotH> mdp: hehe
  • [12:27:45] <mdp> KotH, I'm so brainwashed I have nfc
  • [12:27:50] <jeet_> u dont think albert einstein was cocky?
  • [12:28:05] <KotH> jeet_: einstein dropped out of highschool, twice
  • [12:28:07] <LetoThe2nd> jeet_: the difference is that great people are called great by others. people who call themselves great are being cocky
  • [12:28:16] <jeet_> i never called mysefl great
  • [12:28:17] <KotH> jeet_: he barely made it trough uni
  • [12:28:18] <jeet_> i said i was top of class
  • [12:28:22] <jeet_> which is an objective fact
  • [12:28:27] <av500> great
  • [12:28:28] <KotH> jeet_: the job he got was rather low for his education
  • [12:28:38] * LetoThe2nd likes more to be called "taily", but thats a side fact.
  • [12:28:43] <jeet_> i dont understand why you think i am cocky
  • [12:28:56] <KotH> jeet_: top of class by what measure?
  • [12:28:58] <KotH> jeet_: grades?
  • [12:29:00] <jeet_> yes
  • [12:29:07] <KotH> *sigh*
  • [12:29:09] <jeet_> also i often peer tutored
  • [12:29:15] <jeet_> sigh? please explain
  • [12:29:28] <KotH> grades are a good thing, but they dont mean much in reality
  • [12:29:34] <mdp> it's all irrelevant to the job market
  • [12:29:43] <KotH> the best engineers i know had rather low grades
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  • [12:30:04] <KotH> only a few had good grades
  • [12:30:18] <jeet_> i accept your apology
  • [12:30:25] <KotH> mdp: not entirely. for the first job they matter. at least around here
  • [12:30:36] <KotH> i did not appologize
  • [12:30:39] <mdp> KotH, that's such a tiny window on one's career ;)
  • [12:30:44] <KotH> mdp: true :)
  • [12:31:13] <KotH> mdp: i was surprised that at my first job interview, i was asked why i got such a "low" grade for my master thesis
  • [12:31:16] <LetoThe2nd> jeet_: your being cocky is all about your approach. you came here, you said "hey, i'm looking for a cool job. but i don't want this, that, and this. and im top of class. so just tell me what to do."
  • [12:31:26] <mdp> KotH, and yes, 100% agreed. but it also has no bearing on success as an engineering education has only an indirect relationship to the work done on the job.
  • [12:31:41] <KotH> mdp: yes
  • [12:31:54] <mdp> ...as both our experiences have taught us.
  • [12:31:55] <KotH> jeet_: what LetoThe2nd said
  • [12:31:55] <LetoThe2nd> jeet_: instead of just *doing* something. if you have done something cool yourself, people *with* cool jobs will call you. not the other way round.
  • [12:32:36] <KotH> mdp: i must say, i'm still in awe of that girl, who started together with me. she was 16 back then. asked stupid questions all the time. but when it came to the exams, she was always at the top.
  • [12:32:52] <jeet_> LetoThe2nd i have come for some ideas
  • [12:32:54] <KotH> mdp: and she turned out to be a good engineer too, although it's not really her cup of tea
  • [12:32:57] <jeet_> i got right to the point
  • [12:33:02] <jeet_> i dont see any fault in that
  • [12:33:14] <jeet_> perhaps if you do you can explain why
  • [12:33:19] <KotH> mdp: went into project managment/R&D later
  • [12:33:23] <jeet_> besides 'i should be doing instead of asking'
  • [12:33:48] <KotH> jeet_: first thing: figure out what you like
  • [12:33:51] <jeet_> but to your point, it is a good one, i should work on some project myself hmm
  • [12:33:58] <KotH> jeet_: it's the first and most important thing for success
  • [12:34:07] <jeet_> i totally agree and it is my main goal at this time
  • [12:34:24] <mdp> jeet_, did you intern/co-op? that's a huge differentiator if you haven't done some kind of FOSS project.
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  • [12:34:44] <jeet_> yes i have held 3 summer jobs at utility company and one at microchip company
  • [12:34:52] <jeet_> all of which were in my opinion terrible
  • [12:35:19] <LetoThe2nd> jeet_: because its also about having the ideas. any idiot can make a crown cap. but the one that had the *idea* gets the fame. the people that get told "hey, make a crown cap, here's the way" - nobody is interested in them
  • [12:35:51] <mdp> jeet_, we learn important lessons in the most terrible of experiences. I assure you, it won't be the last terrible job experience
  • [12:36:12] <LetoThe2nd> jeet_: so actually the first step is to find out what you want to do. instead of people asking what to do. treadmill workers need to be told what to do.
  • [12:36:28] <mdp> you learn what doesn't work, types of poor process and mgmt styles...failed work environments..and learn how to adapt
  • [12:37:58] <jeet_> just want to say i appreciate you guys sharing this
  • [12:38:03] <jeet_> it is good food for my thoughts
  • [12:38:19] <LetoThe2nd> jeet_: besides, if i had the super great idea to save the planet, be rich and all that - do you think i would give it away in a random channel? rather than exploiting it myself in my secret unground laboratories?
  • [12:38:43] * av500 does not like his laboratories ground
  • [12:39:16] <LetoThe2nd> great idea: create a device to give you great ideas.
  • [12:39:27] <LetoThe2nd> but on the other hand, we already have the magic 8 ball.
  • [12:39:35] <LetoThe2nd> so, scratch that.
  • [12:39:40] <mdp> and it guides our actions on a daily basis
  • [12:40:10] <LetoThe2nd> great idea: make an electric device that can brighten the night.
  • [12:40:27] <LetoThe2nd> but on the other hand, we already have that. and i like darkness better.
  • [12:40:32] <LetoThe2nd> scratch that again.
  • [12:40:39] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: d?rkness :)
  • [12:40:48] <jeet_> figure out what you like/want to do. so thinking about this i have some question, what is the most important. the daily tasks, the type of work (i work on airplanes, buildings, computers, etc.). the people you work with? or is it more individual preference? perhaps from your experience you can shed some light on the relative importance?
  • [12:40:57] <LetoThe2nd> make an electric device that can show boobies!
  • [12:41:17] <LetoThe2nd> grated, we already have that. but i see marketing opportunities!
  • [12:42:27] <KotH> jeet_: it's always an individual thing
  • [12:42:34] <KotH> jeet_: do what you like and you'll be good at it
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  • [12:42:54] <KotH> jeet_: worst thing you can do is to be good at something you hate
  • [12:43:06] <jeet_> so it is a judgement call then? i mean to say you never know how the job will be til you get there
  • [12:43:16] <KotH> yes
  • [12:43:25] <jeet_> drat
  • [12:43:27] <KotH> and whether you like the job or not will change
  • [12:43:36] <KotH> sometimes even overnight
  • [12:43:59] <KotH> but as you grow more experienced, you will know what kind of jobs you will possibly like and which not
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  • [12:44:18] <av500> you will like the job on Friday afternoon
  • [12:44:33] <KotH> unless you have to work over the weekend
  • [12:45:15] <jeet_> you guys are funny i want to work with you
  • [12:45:52] <jeet_> but i dunno what we'd do
  • [12:46:02] <jeet_> start our own e-coaching
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  • [12:47:48] <jeet_> i shot the idea of more schooling past someone
  • [12:47:58] <jeet_> they replied, i should consider it. but schooling does not mean having to go to school
  • [12:48:26] <jeet_> thoughts on the matter at your conveniences are greatly appreciated
  • [12:49:11] <KotH> schooling itself is not the important thing
  • [12:49:15] <jeet_> my view was always that school provided a social structure/social support to study
  • [12:49:16] <KotH> what is important that you learn something
  • [12:49:21] <jeet_> motivating yourself alone can be difficult
  • [12:49:23] <KotH> does not necessarily be at some school
  • [12:49:48] * KotH uses uni only to get concentrated knowledge
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  • [12:50:03] <jeet_> meaning?
  • [12:50:12] <jeet_> i mean, dont books contain the knowledge?
  • [12:50:29] <KotH> books contain knowledge too, but usually not as concentrated
  • [12:50:41] <jeet_> the lectures then?
  • [12:50:55] <jeet_> the lectures/assignments are an accelerated form of learning?
  • [12:51:03] <KotH> eg, reading a book on social psychology takes you 2-3 months and you will not be able to remember all the important things
  • [12:51:05] <jeet_> i.e. the prof guides you on the right path
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  • [12:51:22] <KotH> going to a lecture takes less time, and you will have someone who will point out the important stuff
  • [12:51:43] <jeet_> yes fair point. so let me ask, can anyone sit in a lecture?
  • [12:51:44] <KotH> at least, that's the way how it is for me
  • [12:51:47] <jeet_> i.e. if im not enrolled
  • [12:51:51] <KotH> depends on your university
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  • [12:58:31] <av500> you can always sneak in
  • [12:58:51] <av500> or hide in the drop ceiling
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  • [13:13:07] <jeet_> say you work as a programmer, will it be difficult to transition into something like electrical design? (i realize this is a subjective question, thoughts appreciated nonetheless)
  • [13:13:33] <jeet_> i don't give much weight to my thoughts as they contain little experience backing
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  • [13:16:25] <jeet_> a guy with a ph.d once told me it depends on your perseverance
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  • [13:18:19] <jeet_> also appreciated, thoughts on work that requires travel.
  • [13:19:30] <sefat> can any one please tell me what will happen if i delete the MLO file and then reset
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  • [13:21:50] <Andrew> hi everyone, anybody can help me with instalation Win CE?
  • [13:21:57] <av500> no
  • [13:22:13] <Andrew> why?
  • [13:22:14] <av500> ask the one that sold it to you
  • [13:22:26] <av500> because we have no idea
  • [13:22:41] <Andrew> eh =(
  • [13:22:54] <av500> why would you use winCE?
  • [13:23:24] <Andrew> i have some solution based on win
  • [13:23:39] <mdp> sounds more like you have a problem based on win
  • [13:23:44] <Andrew> and i have no idea how to work with linux
  • [13:24:01] <av500> Andrew: since I assume you are commercial, there are companies providing winCE support
  • [13:24:04] <mdp> all of the people that participate on this channel know linux
  • [13:24:14] <av500> if you are doing this for fun, you are into weird fun
  • [13:24:16] <mdp> there's never been any winCE support
  • [13:24:33] <sefat> can any one please tell me what will happen if i delete the MLO file and then reset
  • [13:24:44] <av500> it will explode
  • [13:24:58] <Andrew> nice nice people...
  • [13:24:58] <mdp> CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
  • [13:25:21] <av500> Andrew: its the truth, we cannot offer winCE help
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  • [13:25:38] <av500> sefat: most likely it wont boot
  • [13:26:01] <sefat> yeap mine didnt boot ...
  • [13:26:04] <mdp> sefat, or you get the output I showed above
  • [13:26:11] <mdp> on your serial console
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  • [13:26:30] <sefat> i cant flash new os
  • [13:26:30] <av500> mdp: "serial" is that from the Reagan era?
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  • [13:26:41] <mdp> av500, Carter
  • [13:27:04] <mdp> sefat, we don't know what board you have
  • [13:27:11] <sefat> BBB
  • [13:27:19] <mdp> do you have a serial cable?
  • [13:27:25] <sefat> nope
  • [13:27:31] <mdp> if not, you should acquire one to see what's going on
  • [13:27:31] <av500> sefat: prepare SD card
  • [13:27:35] <av500> insert
  • [13:27:36] <av500> boot
  • [13:28:10] <sefat> thats mean my board is ok
  • [13:28:12] <sefat> ??
  • [13:28:22] <av500> most likely
  • [13:29:00] <sefat> thank u ... can i have your mail id to contact you
  • [13:29:34] <mdp> http://beagleboard.org/getting%20started
  • [13:29:56] <av500> sefat: you are contacting us here
  • [13:30:21] <sefat> i trred to flash a new os bt when i insert an sd card with os the four LEDs just lit and remain unblink
  • [13:30:27] <av500> if you did not notice, we are talking to you, no?
  • [13:30:43] <sefat> what is the probable cause?
  • [13:30:54] <av500> bad card
  • [13:31:17] <mdp> sefat, what os?
  • [13:31:27] <av500> wrong content on card
  • [13:32:25] <sefat> i tried Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.08.21
  • [13:33:03] <sefat> and other os bt i cant flash wiht any one ..
  • [13:33:47] <av500> how did you prepare the sd card?
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  • [13:35:34] <sefat> http://derekmolloy.ie/write-a-new-image-to-the-beaglebone-black/ .......... i followed the instruction
  • [13:35:48] <sefat> i am using windows
  • [13:37:55] <sefat> my problem is i have no serial cable and i used to connect the BBB using usb ,,,, bt now windows cant detect the board and when i plug the usb then windows tries to find driver for AM335x
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  • [13:40:51] <sefat> my problem is i have no serial cable and i used to connect the BBB using usb ,,,, bt now windows cant detect the board and when i plug the usb then windows tries to find driver for AM335x
  • [13:41:03] <av500> yes, we can read
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  • [13:41:29] <sefat> how to solve this problem?
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  • [13:43:12] <sefat> is there any way to slove the problem ... can i use the TI's Flash v1,6 to flash new os
  • [13:43:46] <av500> power off
  • [13:43:50] <av500> hold the boot button
  • [13:43:52] <av500> power on
  • [13:44:11] <av500> can you connect the sdcard to your PC?
  • [13:44:19] <av500> with a a card reader?
  • [13:44:23] <av500> and check the content?
  • [13:44:42] <sefat> i have tried this many times bt nothing happens and yeap i can connedt the sd card with pc
  • [13:45:00] <sefat> sorry *connect
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  • [13:45:18] <av500> and what do you see?
  • [13:46:13] <sefat> several filse like tha MLO file ... and other files .... with in about 60 to 70 MB ..
  • [13:47:03] <av500> ok
  • [13:47:05] <av500> looks good
  • [13:47:15] <av500> card right side in?
  • [13:48:00] <sefat> sorry ..
  • [13:49:20] <sefat> my uEnv.txt contains only " optargs=quiet " is htat ok ... ??
  • [13:50:54] <av500> yes
  • [13:50:59] <sefat> when i power up the board with out or with the sd card and connect it with pc nothing happens and pc cant recognize it as BBB .... and i cant see the files os eMMc
  • [13:51:00] <av500> you dont need uenv normally
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  • [13:52:08] <av500> sefat: which image?
  • [13:52:21] <av500> if you use the flasher image, it takes like 45min to flash
  • [13:52:29] <av500> during that time, it wont connect to the PC I think
  • [13:53:02] <sefat> BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20
  • [13:53:54] <sefat> i tried with this bt the 4 LEDs didnt blincked bt reamin unblinked and i waited abour 2 hours .... nothing happens
  • [13:55:57] <sefat> i have also tried with these ... bt didnt succeed .... :( .. Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.08.21.img .....debian-wheezy-7.0.0-armhf-3.8.13-bone20 .....ubuntu-saucy-13.10-armhf-3.8.13-bone30
  • [13:56:53] <sefat> is there any way to flash the eMMC wiht out the sd card .... ?
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  • [13:58:47] <sefat> i am stuck wiht this problem and now i am frustrated ... plz help me
  • [13:59:11] <av500> I dont know what to do
  • [13:59:18] <av500> you could get a serial cable
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  • [15:38:37] <R2E4_> ok, so I tested the outputs and the ouputs are firing giving 3.3volts.
  • [15:39:25] <R2E4_> The p2222A is not. What should I drop the resister on the base to? 300? I tried down to 1k and it is still not working.
  • [15:40:52] <R2E4_> I have an led at 12vdc I am trying to energize. Very little current so I dont understand why it is not working.
  • [15:42:11] <R2E4_> gpio => 1k resister => base P2222A, emitter P2222A => ground, collector => led ground leg, + side LED to 12vdc.
  • [15:42:29] <R2E4_> I tied the ground of 12vdc power supply to gnd of BBB.
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  • [16:03:00] <Pit_> Hi
  • [16:06:41] <Pit_> I can't use a couple of GPIO in my BBB. I'm using javascript and i use the blink code example, with the pin "P8_19" works fine, but i try to change it to te pin lets say "P8_46" and doesn't do anything.
  • [16:07:39] <KotH> what does you DT look like?
  • [16:07:45] <KotH> have you set up pin muxing correctly?
  • [16:08:57] <mdp> Pit_, you probably are using HDMI
  • [16:09:04] <mdp> P8_46 conflicts
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  • [16:10:08] <Pit_> Im not im have it conect through USB to my desktop
  • [16:10:20] <Pit_> KotH DT?
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  • [16:11:35] <KotH> device tree
  • [16:12:07] <KotH> it does not matter whether you use HDMI or not. it matters whether HDMI is configured or not
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  • [16:15:22] <Pit_> How do i change it?
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  • [16:15:37] <jonnie> Hi guys
  • [16:15:48] <jonnie> Haven't been on IRC for a while
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  • [16:16:02] <jonnie> Still waiting for the ASL question...
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  • [16:17:20] <jonnie> Anybody know if the Beaglebone Black A5C board will cause problems due to ground bounce when using the analog inputs?
  • [16:18:13] <KotH> Pit_: use google to find the relevant documentation
  • [16:18:21] <KotH> Pit_: you are not the first one to do this
  • [16:18:37] <KotH> jonnie: asl?
  • [16:18:58] <KotH> jonnie: and can you please choose a female nick? so the asl question makes sense
  • [16:19:13] <jonnie> Koth: hahaha
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  • [16:19:22] <KotH> that's better!
  • [16:19:42] <KotH> jeanette: well, if you want to do analog measurements, you need to know how your currents are flowing
  • [16:19:47] <KotH> jeanette: propper grounding is paramount
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  • [16:20:07] <Pit_> Okay! but.. that happens with other pins that are used for other porpuse?!? like spi and stuff?
  • [16:20:18] <jeanette> A6 had a better ground connection on the crystal
  • [16:20:25] <jeanette> ok I'm talking about the revision
  • [16:20:25] <jeanette> as detailed http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Revision_A6_.28Production_Version.29
  • [16:20:47] <Pit_> purposes*
  • [16:20:47] <jeanette> just wondering if the crystal timing will negatively affect the ADC
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  • [16:21:27] <KotH> jeanette: hmm.. i dont know anything about the different revisions. i wouldnt be surprised if they improved the ground concept from revision to revision
  • [16:21:53] <KotH> Pit_: then they are not available for GPIO
  • [16:21:59] <KotH> Pit_: google for the term "pinmux"
  • [16:22:25] <jeanette> Koth: OK. I've never heard of ground bounce for a crystal so I wasn't sure how it would impact the other chips
  • [16:22:34] <KotH> jeanette: the crystall shouldnt affect much around it. as the current flowing is quite local... but as with EMI one cannot be sure :)
  • [16:22:51] <jeanette> hmm ok
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  • [16:23:14] <jeanette> I suspect it would have been a major issue for a lot of people if it were
  • [16:23:25] <KotH> jeanette: oh.. crystals do cause modulations in the ground potential. it's just usually a small one. and most chips have gnd pins near the oscillator inputs and outputs for the return current
  • [16:23:26] <jeanette> I can't get my hands on an A6 so I might just grab the A5
  • [16:23:54] <Pit_> KotH: thanks!
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  • [16:24:17] <jeanette> Koth: Thanks for being so helpful, cutie. ;)
  • [16:24:45] <KotH> jeanette: no problem. i do everything for cute girls like you ;)
  • [16:24:50] <jeanette> I'll PM you my pix
  • [16:24:52] <jeanette> haha
  • [16:24:55] <KotH> hehe
  • [16:25:09] <jeanette> now I remember why I got away!
  • [16:25:12] <jeanette> All men are the same!
  • [16:25:15] <jeanette> hahaha
  • [16:25:19] <jeanette> thanks again
  • [16:25:20] <jeanette> see you
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  • [16:29:18] <R2E4_> Anyone have a standard easy to get transistor for the gpio output that is capable of energizing a 5 or 12vdc relay?
  • [16:29:39] <av500> some darlington driver
  • [16:29:52] <av500> ULN2803 or so
  • [16:29:56] <av500> google it
  • [16:30:02] <av500> web is full of examples
  • [16:30:09] <R2E4_> I have been, I have two differnt types and neither works
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  • [16:30:48] <R2E4_> copied one exactly with an S8050tl and it wont turn on the tranny
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  • [16:31:16] <av500> and you measure a voltage on the base?
  • [16:31:19] <R2E4_> hahaha, waiting for the kickbacks on that one.
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  • [16:31:31] <R2E4_> 3.3v from the BBB
  • [16:31:55] <R2E4_> When I turn on the output
  • [16:32:35] <av500> well, not much to say from here
  • [16:33:33] <R2E4_> What do I have to look for in the datasheet to select the proper resistor connected to the base?
  • [16:34:52] <av500> 1k seems ok
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  • [16:38:22] <R2E4_> They all use led's testing outputs on the BBB. I'm looking for tranny driven examples. very few of them
  • [16:38:27] <KotH> R2E4_: as i explained yesterday: i_b * beta = i_c
  • [16:38:34] <KotH> R2E4_: as i explained yesterday: i_b * beta >= i_c
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  • [16:38:46] <KotH> R2E4_: otherwise i_c will be limited by i_b
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  • [16:40:55] <mdp> and pin characteristics you need are in the am335x datasheet
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  • [16:42:05] <R2E4_> http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets2/50/50898_2.pdf where do you get the beta from. datasheet doesnt show it neither ib
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  • [16:42:25] <KotH> mdp: iirc he said something about 100mA i_c and a 2n2222, which translates into ~1mA i_b
  • [16:42:53] <mdp> KotH, awesome, doable i_b!
  • [16:43:16] <KotH> R2E4_: as i told you before: h_fe is your beta
  • [16:43:59] <R2E4_> 35 @ .1ma
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  • [16:44:35] <KotH> you are driving 100mA
  • [16:44:41] <KotH> so your beta is min 100
  • [16:44:48] <vmayoral> anybody knows if the QiLiCape (http://ioclk.com/beagebone-qilicape-a-wireless-power-charger-cape-for-beaglebone/) is being commercialized?
  • [16:45:15] <vmayoral> or maybe an email to contact the guy? (I already tried filling the form)
  • [16:45:24] <vmayoral> it seem pretty nice :)
  • [16:45:35] <KotH> vmayoral: contact author
  • [16:47:36] <av500> I just ordered a QI charger PCB today
  • [16:48:20] <R2E4_> equates to 33 ohm resistor. That doesnt make sense
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  • [16:49:09] <mdp> KotH, I'm staring longingly at my microelectronics textbook on the bookshelf.
  • [16:49:09] <vmayoral> KotH: i have not been able to find much information this cape, it seems there's a guy in the element14 forums behind it. Somebody with "danteo" id.
  • [16:49:17] <vmayoral> av500: where did you order it from?
  • [16:49:24] <av500> aliexpress of course :)
  • [16:50:35] <KotH> R2E4_: https://www.google.com/search?q=relay+driver+circuit
  • [16:50:42] <KotH> R2E4_: read a couple of the descriptions there
  • [16:50:44] <R2E4_> I'm going to get a pot and find the correct resistance....hehe'
  • [16:51:01] <av500> pot always helps
  • [16:51:14] <KotH> R2E4_: also consider that you might have killed your transistor already, if you forgot the free wheel diode
  • [16:51:40] <R2E4_> theres nothing attached to the collector. just measuring voltage
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  • [16:52:12] <R2E4_> I never connected relay yet
  • [16:52:17] <R2E4_> just an led
  • [16:52:54] <KotH> ^^'
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  • [17:03:51] <vins> guys I have a question......I connect to internet using a dsl modem wherein I connect using pppoe after entering the username and password provided by my ISP in windows. Is there a way to connect on the beagle bone similarly
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  • [17:04:30] <av500> you mean connect the bone to the internet?
  • [17:04:45] <av500> get a $15 DSL router
  • [17:04:47] <av500> let it connect
  • [17:04:52] <av500> connect your PC and BBB to that
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  • [17:07:00] <vins> Yes i mean connecting the BBB to the internet
  • [17:08:22] <vins> I have a DSL router but I can connect to the net only after I enter the username and password..how do I do that on the bone?
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  • [17:08:36] <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+pppoe+client
  • [17:08:49] <av500> I would get a router
  • [17:11:08] <KotH> get a router
  • [17:11:10] <KotH> it's easier
  • [17:11:33] <KotH> ppp is not for the faint of heart
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  • [17:12:19] <vins> ok thanx people :)
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  • [18:19:24] <keneth> Good afternoon,
  • [18:20:00] <keneth> I'm looking for instructions on how to enable I2C2 on Beaglebone Black, does this require re-building the Kernel?
  • [18:21:57] <N2TOH> no idea, by I2C2 are you infering there is a second I2C interface?
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  • [18:33:55] <keneth> I think so, pins 19 and 20 on header P9
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  • [18:37:45] <mdp> keneth, no
  • [18:38:15] <keneth> No meaning I don't have to rebuild the kernel?
  • [18:38:49] <keneth> If I do i2cdetect -l, it shows i2c-0 and i2c-1. Do these refer to I2C1 and I2C2 or is I2C0 internal on the board somewhere
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  • [18:46:18] <mdp> keneth, correct, no was in answer to your question.
  • [18:46:44] <keneth> Thanks you, is there anywhere I can obtain instructions on how to enable I2C2?
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  • [18:48:39] <mdp> http://datko.net/2013/11/03/bbb_i2c/
  • [18:49:04] <mdp> http://derekmolloy.ie/beaglebone/beaglebone-an-i2c-tutorial-interfacing-to-a-bma180-accelerometer/
  • [18:49:34] <mdp> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BMP_on_the_Beagle_Bone_Black
  • [18:49:48] <R2E4_> It's working. It helps if the input is hitting the base of the tranny instead of the pin next to it on the breakout board.....Thanks and sorry for the newbiness.
  • [18:55:02] <keneth> Great, thank you. It seems this bus is already enable on my board
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  • [18:58:32] <keneth> One more question, I tested I2C2- which is /dev/i2c-1 on BBB, and it worked fine, but when I plugged it in 2 pins above on I2C1, which I assume is /dev/i2c-0 it did not respond and the address is within the testing range and is no occupied
  • [18:59:12] <keneth> Do you know if this is correct, I2C1 (pins 17 and 18) are /dev/i2c-0 ?
  • [18:59:20] <ds2> check the sources
  • [18:59:29] <keneth> ?
  • [18:59:36] <ds2> the numbers in /dev are the order the buses were instaniated
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  • [18:59:54] <keneth> hmm, how can I check this?
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  • [19:01:05] <mdp> keneth, it's enabled because i2c2 is where the expansion cape eeproms are found
  • [19:01:57] <keneth> I see, but is I2C1 enabled then? It shows up in i2cdetect but I can't get a read ont he device like I did with I2C2
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  • [19:05:50] <keneth> oh I see "i2c0 is mapped to /dev/i2c-0 but i2c2 is mapped to /dev/i2c-1." so I2C1 is disabled I assume
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  • [19:18:19] <keneth> hmm I guess I have anotehr question, I'm trying to type in echo BB-I2C1 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots but it gives me write error: No Such file or directory. But I can open the slots file in VI. Is this a permissions issue?
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  • [19:21:01] <Gustavo> hi guys
  • [19:21:17] <Gustavo> do you know How can I talk to someone that tried this: http://beagleboard.org/support/BoneScript/Ultrasonic_Sensor/?
  • [19:24:26] <SoCo_cpp_> keneth I think on mine it was bone_capemgr.8 , even though the docs said 9, you might want to check.
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  • [19:30:10] <keneth> It's 9 on mine, I can open the slots file with VI editor, but I can't save it , write to it, or when I do the echo command it gives me a No such file or directory error.. Weird
  • [19:30:28] <keneth> And I tried chmod go+w slots but I still can't write to it
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  • [19:55:06] <mdp> keneth, it mentions that in a link I pasted
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  • [19:56:48] <mdp> keneth, loading the dtbo as you wrote works for me. perhaps you are running it as an unprivileged user
  • [19:58:42] <mdp> ahh, you tested that, nm
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  • [20:11:39] <keneth> mdp, I am running as root, I read that the slots is not really a file but a kernel object? Do you know what I could possibly do to be able to echo commands to it?
  • [20:12:18] <carpman> keneth: echo should work fine. Have you tried restarting the beaglebone and trying again? Sometimes capemgr acts weird
  • [20:12:19] <mdp> it's both..it's a file instantiated by a kernel object using the sysfs virtual filesystem
  • [20:12:43] <mdp> I suggest carpman's idea as I ran the exactsteps here and it works fine
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  • [20:13:17] <WormsCH> Hi
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  • [20:14:12] <WormsCH> I just received my beaglebone black tooday, and I'm verry happy with it. But I've two issues
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  • [20:16:16] <WormsCH> The first one is: If my BBB is pluged to my computer and my computer try to sleep. => blue screen (bugcode_usb_driver)
  • [20:16:30] <WormsCH> I'm on win 8.1
  • [20:17:47] <WormsCH> and the second issue is: I'm trying to play with the fous LEDs and I've made a little script in JS. and I don't understant why my script is not working properly
  • [20:17:49] <WormsCH> http://pastebin.com/csy6mxT0
  • [20:18:13] <WormsCH> four LEDs*
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  • [20:19:43] <keneth> hmm I re-booted the system by pwoering it off, I still get the same error
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  • [20:20:17] <mdp> WormsCH, doubt you'll find anybody that can support a Windows host here..mostly Linux host people
  • [20:20:43] <keneth> permissions for slots read -rw-r--r--
  • [20:21:09] <carpman> keneth: is there a file that starts BB-I2C1 in your /lib/firmware
  • [20:21:31] <WormsCH> ok
  • [20:21:45] <WormsCH> and what about the script ?
  • [20:22:02] <keneth> no there isn't, I see how this works, so I need to get a dtbo file
  • [20:22:17] <carpman> keneth: thats odd, there should already be one
  • [20:22:29] <carpman> its part of the standard distribution
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  • [20:23:40] <keneth> hmm, there are actually no files named I2C
  • [20:23:54] <keneth> and this is the build that came witht he beaglebone
  • [20:24:15] <carpman> keneth: can you pastebin a directory listing of /lib/firmware, I'm curious
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  • [20:31:50] <WormsCH> so, nobody for help me ?
  • [20:32:16] <mdp> WormsCH, probably no bonescript hackers around
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  • [20:33:04] <mdp> WormsCH, did you start with the simple example first and found that it works?
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  • [20:33:40] <WormsCH> the script is just supposed to switch on each LED with a delay of 500 ms, then switch off and on again...
  • [20:33:57] <WormsCH> yep, I start with the simple exemple
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  • [20:34:05] <mdp> but did you try a known good simple example?
  • [20:34:05] <mdp> ok, then
  • [20:34:15] <mdp> http://beagleboard.org/Support/BoneScript/demo_blinkled/
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  • [20:34:23] <mdp> I assume you ran this and it worked
  • [20:34:29] <WormsCH> yep
  • [20:35:11] <mdp> first thing to note is that you probably don't own those other onboard LEDs
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  • [20:35:24] <mdp> they are set up with the kernel led triggers for activity
  • [20:35:43] <WormsCH> but i can use them
  • [20:35:46] <mdp> so that's probably why your program fails when you try to hijack those gpios
  • [20:36:14] <mdp> you probably need to run whatever debugger you would use to debug js and determine what is wrong in your logic..versus what works in the simple example
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  • [20:37:20] <WormsCH> according to this: http://beagleboard.org/Support/bone101/
  • [20:37:26] <WormsCH> i can use the 4 leds
  • [20:37:39] <WormsCH> and I can make them blinking together
  • [20:37:44] <mdp> great
  • [20:37:44] <WormsCH> it's working
  • [20:37:55] <WormsCH> but one after one
  • [20:38:03] <WormsCH> it's working, but only one cycle
  • [20:38:16] <WormsCH> and it's still writing in the consol the correct values
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  • [20:39:11] <WormsCH> each LEDs switch on, one afert one, then switch off one after one then nothing else
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  • [20:39:34] <WormsCH> but in the consol is still writing the correct message
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  • [20:43:59] <keneth> Hey guys, sorry IRC server or client crapped out, did you get the pastebin for my lib/firmware folder? It's www.pastebin.com/dH5ivUyf
  • [20:44:05] <mdp> do you know how to use a debugger?
  • [20:44:21] <mdp> WormsCH, you should try the one built in the Cloud9 or whatever that is..walk through and find your logic error
  • [20:44:55] <mdp> your code is difficult to read, the logic seems overly complicated, and I doubt anybody can tell what your actual goal is with the blinking sequence
  • [20:44:57] <mdp> I can't
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  • [20:46:43] <WormsCH> I'll try the Cloud9 debugger, but the wired thing is: according to the console.log() everything works propely. But "b.digitalWrite(tab[i], state);" seem to works only 8 times
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  • [20:47:30] <thurgood> what are you /trying/ to do with your code?
  • [20:47:32] <WormsCH> and the code is difficult to read because i can't find a function to delay in JS
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  • [20:47:49] <carpman> keneth: thats... odd. You might try flashing the latest image from http://beagleboard.org/latest-images, 2nd link, the emmc flasher
  • [20:47:57] <WormsCH> i'm trying to switch each leds one after one, then switch off one after one
  • [20:47:58] <thurgood> timeout is the corret dlay function
  • [20:48:26] <jkridner|work> WormsCH: as thurgood said, but 'setTimeout'
  • [20:48:33] <thurgood> infinitily?
  • [20:48:37] <keneth> Ok I'll do that, it takes 45 mins right?
  • [20:48:53] <mdp> jkridner|work, that's what he's doing
  • [20:48:57] <WormsCH> yep infinitily
  • [20:49:04] <carpman> keneth: approximately, depending on the SD card. I have one kingston that takes 45 minutes and one that takes 1.5 hours
  • [20:49:13] <jkridner|work> what does that mean? did he already post his code?
  • [20:49:25] <mdp> keneth, current debian image works
  • [20:49:25] <WormsCH> yep
  • [20:49:26] <WormsCH> http://pastebin.com/csy6mxT0
  • [20:49:56] <keneth> the link you gave me?
  • [20:50:05] <mdp> jkridner|work, we were just waiting on a js person
  • [20:50:11] <thurgood> you should simplify your code and not try anything tricky the first time through
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  • [20:50:44] <jkridner> urgh... stupid TI firewall blocked pastebin.com!!?!? :'(
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  • [20:51:01] <thurgood> for instance you else if and final else are redundant
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  • [20:51:29] <thurgood> wouldn't want you pastebinning secret codes :P
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  • [20:53:01] <keneth> Are there any issues with flashing eMMC with a 4gb SD card and a 2gb image, or do I need to get a 2GB SD Card?
  • [20:53:06] <jkridner_> first thing I notice is that it always seems to be called with state == b.HIGH
  • [20:53:29] <carpman> keneth: no problem there
  • [20:53:41] <jkridner_> oh, wait, more confusing than that...
  • [20:54:30] <WormsCH> state = !state
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  • [20:55:17] <thurgood> jkridner_: state gets changed, but I think there may be a recursion problem, an additional thread is created via the set timeout
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  • [20:55:43] <thurgood> in addition to the immediate call
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  • [20:57:21] <jkridner_> WormsCH: I suspect http://pastebin.com/9nbFJCLs does what you want
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  • [20:57:40] <WormsCH> ok
  • [20:57:46] <thurgood> would you mind me giving a shot at cleaning up the code or do you want to give it a try?
  • [20:57:52] <WormsCH> I'm trying to do something like that: http://pastebin.com/WF8hxLXY
  • [20:58:04] <WormsCH> that's not a real code, just pseudocode
  • [20:58:44] <jkridner_> digitalWrite() doesn't currently take in a boolean, though there was a request to get it to
  • [21:00:21] <thurgood> ooh, I forgot 0 in boolean is still true in javascript, isn't it?
  • [21:00:34] <jkridner_> no.
  • [21:00:45] <WormsCH> thurgood if you want to do something better, It's good for me. I'm starting with js, I used to code C++ with arduino
  • [21:00:54] <thurgood> have to have an undefined or something silly like that
  • [21:01:24] <thurgood> javascript syntax should be fairly familiar then
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  • [21:02:20] <WormsCH> yep, just the setTimeout is verry different
  • [21:03:34] <jkridner_> eliminating 'delay' can be very confusing at times.
  • [21:06:37] <WormsCH> http://pastebin.com/CZinAzLE
  • [21:06:49] <WormsCH> there is the output in the console
  • [21:06:53] <jkridner_> WormsCH: that's the broken one...
  • [21:07:08] <jkridner_> used my fixed one that does state = state ? b.LOW : b.HIGH;
  • [21:07:26] <jkridner_> that way, it is 0 and 1, not false and true;
  • [21:07:33] <WormsCH> ohh it's different
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  • [21:09:02] <keneth> well here goes time to brick another beaglebone see ya all in an hour
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  • [21:12:40] <keneth> So when I do the flashign image, the LEDs go solid, then start blinking when it's done, at which point I can pwoer it off correct?
  • [21:12:52] <carpman> keneth: correct
  • [21:13:12] <thurgood> http://pastebin.com/n0MZXrjW give that a try
  • [21:13:15] <carpman> keneth: there will be some random blinking in between. The "done" blink is all 4 leds blinking in unison
  • [21:13:23] <keneth> do I need to hold the boot button when I power it on? Also I'm powering it with a dedicated 5 volt supply right
  • [21:13:35] <carpman> keneth: yes and yes
  • [21:14:04] <keneth> and they will blink like that until I power it down?
  • [21:14:24] <thurgood> oop line 16 should have ==
  • [21:14:38] <carpman> keneth: I _think_ so, or they might turn off after a while.
  • [21:14:47] <thurgood> it should wanr you anyway :P
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  • [21:18:08] <WormsCH> by using "state = state ? b.LOW : b.HIGH;" instead of statw = !state. it's working propely.
  • [21:18:32] <WormsCH> thurgood, your script isn't working
  • [21:18:53] <thurgood> yeah line 16 needs to be === not =
  • [21:18:59] <thurgood> err just ==
  • [21:20:36] <jkridner_> thurgood: is http://pastebin.com/0CLXYW9i closer to what you meant?
  • [21:20:56] * jkridner_ hasn't understood the desired pattern, only syntax and function call errors.
  • [21:21:39] <thurgood> that should work
  • [21:21:39] <mdp> carpman, they don't blink in unison when my updates finish :-/
  • [21:22:37] <jkridner_> much simpler to simply make 'index' a global than try to pass it back into itself recursively.
  • [21:22:49] <WormsCH> jkridner_ it's working but it switch on, then switch off the led1, then switch on/off the led2 etc...
  • [21:22:58] <WormsCH> but nice way to do that
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  • [21:23:27] <thurgood> worm, that's what I understood your attempt to be....
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  • [21:23:50] <Sloppsta> hello all!
  • [21:23:55] <thurgood> WormsCH: .... helps to remember the TAB key at the end
  • [21:24:48] <WormsCH> my pattern like that: . | .. | ... | .... | ... | .. | . | .. | ...
  • [21:24:59] <thurgood> ah
  • [21:25:09] <Sloppsta> was having some trouble with my BBB was wondering if you guys could help?
  • [21:25:22] <thurgood> that's easy to accomplish with a slight modification
  • [21:25:28] <WormsCH> yep
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  • [21:25:52] <Sloppsta> ^^
  • [21:26:19] <WormsCH> and still nobody is using his BBB with win 8.1 ?
  • [21:27:11] <Sloppsta> don ask to ask :D
  • [21:27:25] * Sloppsta smacks head on counter
  • [21:27:29] <Sloppsta> bad sloppsta!
  • [21:28:57] <Sloppsta> okay. im using my BBB with ubuntu 12.04 and lxde desktop. it works hmm okay. however i am unable to change the resoulution is uses only 1920x1080 and gives no others option. ive tried using xrandr and it tells me that other modes are not available. id really like audio so if anyone has suggestions id appreciate it
  • [21:30:07] <Sloppsta> running on a vizio led tv. it claims different hdmi ports do different things. hdmi(dvi) hdmi(best) ive tried them all it all goes to 1080
  • [21:30:33] <thurgood> change your rez in uEnv.txt?
  • [21:30:46] <Sloppsta> doesnt that just change the boot up?
  • [21:30:52] <jkridner> also, are you using drm.debug=7 i uEnv.txt?
  • [21:30:56] <thurgood> 1080 is only partially supported at best
  • [21:31:14] <Sloppsta> uhhhh.... very need to linux xD
  • [21:31:17] <Sloppsta> new*
  • [21:31:38] <keneth> Hey I just loaded the flash image into the BBB while holding the boot button until the first 3 lights came on, but afterwards all 4 lights are not solid, only lights 1 and 3 are solid, and lights 0 and 2 are blinking, is this correct?
  • [21:31:51] <Sloppsta> drm.debug=7 is this something i should have?
  • [21:32:33] <Sloppsta> im using robert nelsons 12.04 image
  • [21:33:29] <jkridner> Sloppsta: it is helpful to include that in the options to see what the kernel thinks your monitor can support...
  • [21:33:38] <Sloppsta> keneth im new too but based on my experience it could take a while to finish flashing
  • [21:33:54] <WormsCH> there is a clean way to switch off the BBB or just plug out ?
  • [21:34:02] <keneth> ok leaving it alone for an hour, thanks
  • [21:34:04] <Sloppsta> jkridner i should jsut ass that line anywhere in the unev?
  • [21:34:34] <jkridner> keneth: 0 should be blinking in a heartbeat while flashing and 2 shows CPU activity.
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  • [21:35:07] <Sloppsta> okay ill try adding it! thx
  • [21:36:34] <jkridner> Sloppsta: http://bb-lcnc.blogspot.com/2013/06/force-beaglebone-black-hdmi-resolution.html talks about HDMI resolution setting for Debian based on Robert's build scripts.
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  • [21:39:06] <WormsCH> there is a clean way to switch off the BBB or just plug out ?
  • [21:40:36] <jkridner> some distro images support the power-down button...
  • [21:40:48] <jkridner> you can use 'shutdown -h now' on the command line...
  • [21:40:55] <jkridner> but, I usually just pull the power.
  • [21:42:50] <Sloppsta> jk. ive tried this. i didnt notice a difference, the lxdrand thing still says 1920x1080 refresh rate 0.0
  • [21:43:30] <Sloppsta> oh just read. ill check it out now
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  • [21:53:19] <Sloppsta> jk. this system runs slow even with lxde. do you think the memory cape would help alot with this?
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  • [21:56:39] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] clacey09 opened pull request #81: Audio-Add Support for Analog Audio on 3.12 (3.12...3.12) http://git.io/qkbq_Q
  • [21:59:59] <Sloppsta> hmmmm
  • [22:00:24] <Sloppsta> trying to use this for xbmc. wont be any good without audio xD
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  • [22:04:36] <Salvakiya> Hello all
  • [22:05:41] <Salvakiya> does anyone know if the BeagleBone Black is good for beginnners? I am very fluent with software but relatively new to computer hardware
  • [22:08:44] <thurgood> depends on what you're trying to do I suppose
  • [22:09:07] <thurgood> if you want a settop box... not so much
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  • [22:25:54] <Salvakiya> thurgood I am pretty sure I will be using it for lightweight games. I am a indie game dev and want a lightweight system that is cheap and portable to develop on. However I may want to try out some robotics type stuff also so idk.
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  • [22:30:20] <thurgood> if you're looking at gles.. it's not supported in most kernels, maybe android as I think they're using a tweaked 3.2 kernel?
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  • [22:32:55] <thurgood> we just put out an arcade game using a beagleboard-like platform, so I won't say it's undoable
  • [22:33:41] <jkridner> thurgood: yeah, the TI Android release for BeagleBone Black ships with a 3.2 kernel supporting SGX.
  • [22:34:13] <thurgood> I thought it did :)
  • [22:35:04] <thurgood> jkridner: do you know offhand, was sgx suppported in 2.6.37
  • [22:35:21] <jkridner> I don't know off-hand, no.
  • [22:35:32] <jkridner> why go so far back?
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  • [22:36:08] <thurgood> we've been using a heavily modded 2.6.32, but need hi speed uart support on our next board spin
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  • [22:36:21] <thurgood> 2.6.37 is when that was introduced
  • [22:36:35] <thurgood> (to mainline anyway)
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  • [22:37:24] <thurgood> basically we're trying to be stingy with dev time, on the kernel
  • [22:37:49] <thurgood> 3.2 would be the most current we could do as we use sgx
  • [22:38:20] <thurgood> also we're familiar with the older init system
  • [22:46:38] <Salvakiya> what do you mean by gles thurgood? do you mean Open GL?
  • [22:47:04] <thurgood> it's sort of like opengl, but for embeded systems
  • [22:47:47] <thurgood> no mixing of fixed and procedural pipelines, most importantly
  • [22:47:49] <Salvakiya> oh i see... dang. But the android does have it?
  • [22:48:17] <Salvakiya> and is the API pretty much the same for coding
  • [22:48:26] <Salvakiya> I have only developed for pc
  • [22:48:35] <thurgood> yeah, the chip supports it, but the TI has not ported the closed source drivers to the more recent kernels
  • [22:50:13] <Salvakiya> I see.. I am very unfamiliar with android though. I wish it worked on Linux
  • [22:50:17] <thurgood> if you've done open gl in a pc environment you should be able to adapt fairly quickly
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  • [22:50:51] <Salvakiya> Well acutally I use an IDE called Enigma
  • [22:50:59] <Salvakiya> it uses OpenGL API
  • [22:51:07] <thurgood> I ported ogre, instead of working directly with gles... mostly
  • [22:51:46] <Salvakiya> its a combination of GML (Game Maker Language) and C++. So I have no hands on experience with ogl but I am just thinking for the future
  • [22:52:17] <Salvakiya> oops... enigma is a compiler
  • [22:52:21] <Salvakiya> LateralGM is the ide
  • [22:52:37] <thurgood> engine or ide? or both?
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  • [22:53:09] <Salvakiya> Its an open source version of Game Maker basically. It allows you to use C++ alongside the GML which is nice
  • [22:53:25] <Salvakiya> It is basically a game engine as it handles most of the complicated stuff for you
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  • [22:54:15] <Salvakiya> Enigma has about a 70% speed increase over standard Game Maker
  • [22:54:33] <Salvakiya> this is because the code is interpreted into C++ which is then compiled to machine code
  • [22:56:19] <Salvakiya> so C++ > Enigma but Enigma > GML and it is a great way to learn C++. It is also much faster for prototyping as it handles the complicated stuff for you. It has its own Garbage collector as well so you dont have to manage memory
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  • [22:56:49] <Salvakiya> but I dont think they even have it running on Android yet =\
  • [22:57:05] <Salvakiya> let alone an gles api
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  • [22:59:16] <sathya> Hello people
  • [22:59:32] <sathya> I am planning using the beagleboard for a server
  • [22:59:45] <sathya> so which one should I get? The beagleboard black or the beagleboard xm?
  • [22:59:56] <sathya> the more computing power the better
  • [23:00:05] <jkridner> probably beaglebone black, unless you need a DSP.
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  • [23:00:45] <sathya> I'm making a minecraft server so I shouldn't really need DSp
  • [23:00:48] <sathya> DSP*
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  • [23:04:22] <Salvakiya> so OpenGL does not work via BeagleBone Black running Linux then. right?
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  • [23:10:59] <thurgood> pretty much correct, android is in the linux family though if you want to split hairs
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  • [23:12:28] <thurgood> none of them are technically opengl eithergles, was a subset that's evolved a bit on it's own
  • [23:13:41] <Salvakiya> ok thanks thurgood I appreciate the help
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  • [23:13:57] <thurgood> sure
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