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  • [00:17:54] <alberto_> hooooola
  • [00:18:06] <alberto_> una ni??abonita x ahy
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  • [00:31:25] <thews> any of you guys know anything about the arduino Tre ?
  • [00:31:40] <thews> I'm really curious if the same graphics chip will be used
  • [00:31:51] <thews> the lack of hardware acceleration is awful right now
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  • [00:39:39] <ds2> thre is hardware acceleration
  • [00:39:41] <ds2> use the right kernel
  • [00:44:53] <thews> 3.2 ?
  • [00:45:53] <ds2> that should have it
  • [00:45:55] <ds2> and use the fb driver
  • [00:47:10] <thews> I'm using debian on 3.8.13-bone28 kernel
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  • [00:47:25] <thews> I can't imagine how much of a pain it would be to go back
  • [00:47:47] <ds2> in that case complain to your kernel maintainer
  • [00:47:52] <thews> but if they're coming out with the Tre and it uses the same chips, it seems like they'd update the drivers
  • [00:48:36] <thews> have to complain to TI it seems
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  • [00:49:00] <thews> I can't imagine coming out with a new product and not updating the kernel though
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  • [01:01:47] <jonpry> it isn't rocket science to get SGX drivers to run on a different kernel. the whole driver is like a glorified /dev/mem
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  • [01:12:35] <thews> don't think you've seen the conversations on it
  • [01:13:17] <thews> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sgx+3.8+arm
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  • [01:39:44] <riskable> Gate One's new config file format is awesome. I made a typo and it told me exactly what was wrong! http://i.imgur.com/pB5vISM.png
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  • [01:42:19] <thews> might be using underscore or underscore-cli
  • [01:42:28] <thews> it has very good color coded errors
  • [01:43:03] <`Ishq> Just looks like a decent JSON parser.
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  • [01:46:01] <riskable> It's just Python's json module with some special sauce applied
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  • [01:52:52] <SoCFPGA> hi all
  • [01:55:31] <riskable> Hey there
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  • [02:07:00] <SoCFPGA> May I know what web server is used in BBB?
  • [02:08:12] <TehCaptain> http://www.microsoft.com/web/platform/server.aspx
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  • [02:16:47] <Ferris> IIS?
  • [02:17:31] <jonpry> on WinRT
  • [02:17:56] <NovaKitty> I'm having trouble shutting down my beagle today. Momentarily pressing the power button used to work fine, but now it's not shutting it down. It does cut power if I hold the button, but obviously this isn't ideal. I have SSH access, and the session run uninterrupted despite pressing the power button multiple times. The same is true if I am not logged in. I can not find any software command to shutdown, shutdown -h now,
  • [02:17:56] <NovaKitty> shutdown now, shutdown, no command is ever found.
  • [02:18:27] <jonpry> su?
  • [02:18:39] <NovaKitty> I'm using the standard eMMC Angstrom OS
  • [02:18:40] <jkridner> TehCaptain: really? Why would you say that?
  • [02:19:20] * jkridner will boot people for being intentionally obnoxious for no reason.
  • [02:19:34] <Ferris> lol I was gonna say
  • [02:19:37] <jkridner> SoCFPGA: node.js with Express.
  • [02:19:53] <jkridner> SoCFPGA: http://github.com/beagleboard/bonescript
  • [02:20:00] <jkridner> SoCFPGA: http://github.com/beagleboard/bone101 <-- content
  • [02:20:27] <jkridner> under bonescript, there is a server.js that is started with /lib/systemd/system/bonescript.socket
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  • [02:21:27] <NovaKitty> is there a way to shutdown via command line? or a way to find out why the power button isnt working?
  • [02:21:50] <Ferris> Did you try su shutdown -h now as jonpry suggested?
  • [02:21:52] <jkridner> 'shutdown -h now' should work.
  • [02:21:58] <Ferris> shutdown is only available to root afaik
  • [02:22:10] <NovaKitty> oh i did not know that was directed at me
  • [02:22:14] <TehCaptain> sorry, was trying to crack a joke..
  • [02:22:16] <jkridner> Angstrom only has a root login by default
  • [02:22:29] <NovaKitty> ive tried it logged in as root, and as a user, using both sudo and without
  • [02:22:36] <NovaKitty> "command not found"
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  • [02:22:52] <jkridner> TehCaptain: that's fine if you want to follow up, but it isn't cool to pick on newbs.
  • [02:23:21] <NovaKitty> even when there was only the deault root account, i was unable to shutdown from command line
  • [02:23:26] <jkridner> when being sarcastic, please make it clear you are being sarcastic.
  • [02:23:43] <NovaKitty> but ive since made a user with sudo privledges
  • [02:24:37] <NovaKitty> ok then....i typed su..then shutdown..bingo
  • [02:24:56] <NovaKitty> thanks jonpry and Ferris ; )
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  • [02:25:46] <NovaKitty> on to the other thing...what would cause the power button momentary depress not work? Probably the same thing that'smaking the software shut down hang right now
  • [02:25:52] <joel_> jkridner, hey there. just saying hello.
  • [02:26:03] <jkridner> howdy joel_
  • [02:26:03] <NovaKitty> oh no it went down...cool
  • [02:26:21] <joel_> jkridner, btw, with 3.13-rc1 in the corner, bbw/b should have working mmc in mainline
  • [02:27:34] <joel_> *finally. :-D
  • [02:27:57] <Ferris> not sure about the button.
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  • [02:28:56] <NovaKitty> Ferris: yeah it's odd...it's persisted through two reboots now, and the button does work in excess of 8 seconds..and also makes the lights blink....but I wait and wait and it doesn't go off.
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  • [03:03:28] <riskable> OK sweet: I've got a new Gate One 1.2 package up and running. Any beta testers?
  • [03:04:15] <riskable> I actually have three .ipks that need to be tested: Updated gateone, updated python-tornado, and a new python-futures ipk
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  • [03:23:54] <riskable> ...aaaaand my updated version of Gate One has been submitted: http://patches.openembedded.org/patch/62017/
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  • [03:27:04] <prpplague> riskable: don't look for it to be included in the default image for black
  • [03:27:39] <riskable> prpplague: Why not?
  • [03:28:18] <prpplague> riskable: one because we removed gate one from builds ages ago, and two we are moving away from angstrom as the default in image
  • [03:28:37] <riskable> prpplague: Ahh, I see. What are you using as the default now?
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  • [03:28:48] * prpplague can't comment on that currently
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  • [03:29:04] <riskable> Oh, I didn't know it was a secret, sorry :)
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  • [03:29:29] <riskable> I'm going to assume Ubuntu or OpenSUSE or something stranger than Angstrom because, well, Red Hat doesn't seem to give a damn about embedded
  • [03:30:09] <prpplague> riskable: redhat has a arm fedora build
  • [03:30:20] <riskable> Well, Gate One is going to be available via pip soon so it should be available to install on just about everything except Windows
  • [03:30:34] <riskable> prpplague: Yeah? Never heard of it
  • [03:31:14] <prpplague> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/F20/Installation#For_the_BeagleBone_Black
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  • [03:31:43] <riskable> What are you using instead of Gate One for a web-based terminal? It will also have X11 support soon too
  • [03:32:19] <prpplague> riskable: there is no plans to, it was (imho) at a total disaster both in functionality and for support
  • [03:32:48] <riskable> Yeah? Wish I knew I would've updated it sooner
  • [03:32:56] <riskable> Older browsers?
  • [03:33:21] <prpplague> riskable: all kinds of troubles
  • [03:33:37] <prpplague> riskable: we had tons of people calling for support on it
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  • [03:40:36] <jonpry> what is going to be the new default distro?
  • [03:41:55] <jonpry> ^^ prpplague
  • [03:42:23] * prpplague can't comment on that currently
  • [03:42:49] <jonpry> :( well debian ftw
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  • [03:43:13] <thews> debian would be nice
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  • [03:54:03] <saturnine> Hello all.
  • [03:54:40] <saturnine> Is anyone available to answer a question or two?
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  • [03:55:18] <Ferris> shoot
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  • [03:56:28] <saturnine> Thanks. I recently learned of the Beaglebone Black and was wondering if there are opinions on the best place to purchase one. The listed distributors seem to be either out of stock or based out of the US.
  • [03:57:21] <prpplague> saturnine: there are hundreds of distributors all over the world
  • [03:57:30] <prpplague> saturnine: you can find one via the beagleboard.org website
  • [03:57:55] <prpplague> saturnine: with that said, all the major ones have just receive shipments which have not made it into inventory yet
  • [03:58:02] <prpplague> saturnine: where are you located?
  • [03:58:07] <saturnine> THat is where I've been looking. They have a dropdown that I've gone through and have had no luck tonight.
  • [03:58:14] <saturnine> I'm in California.
  • [03:58:38] <saturnine> IF it's just a case of timing then I'll try again in a couple of days.
  • [03:59:01] <jonpry> so you want one in the US?
  • [03:59:19] <prpplague> saturnine: if you are in the US, then you can easily order from boardzoo.com
  • [03:59:23] <thews> prpplague: is the mystery distro on the new shipments? :D
  • [03:59:24] <ds2> '
  • [03:59:28] <saturnine> Yes... currency conversion and shipping make it impractical to shop outside of the lower 48.
  • [03:59:39] <prpplague> thews: no
  • [04:00:02] <prpplague> saturnine: just go through boardzoo.com
  • [04:00:08] <thews> prpplague: does the mystery distro run a newer kernel ?
  • [04:00:30] <saturnine> Thanks. I'v enot heard of them but will try them now.
  • [04:00:33] <saturnine> BRB
  • [04:00:33] <prpplague> thews: llike i said, i can't comment on anything at this time other than another distro is being considered
  • [04:00:57] <prpplague> saturnine: boardzoo.com is the retail sight for the manufacturers of the beaglebone black
  • [04:01:26] <thews> prpplague: alright :D angstrom is verrrrry slow on running updates, I know debian can be a pain to package for
  • [04:07:17] <saturnine> I can't find them on boardzoo.com. They have lots of capes and accessories for it, but do not seem to have the BeagleBone Black itself. I'm guessing that if others have purchased there then it's inventory, though I would think it should show on their site and then have 0 available, not be unlisted as a product.
  • [04:07:33] <prpplague> saturnine: hehe we have it
  • [04:07:37] * prpplague checks the website
  • [04:08:53] <prpplague> saturnine: hmm indeed, there appears to be an error there
  • [04:08:55] <thews> wow, even the place I bought mine is out of stock
  • [04:09:22] <thews> all amazon sellers are out too
  • [04:09:30] <thews> unless you want to spend $10 more
  • [04:09:33] <prpplague> thews: we've been selling as fast as we can make them
  • [04:09:37] <saturnine> That might be what happens when it hits the NPR programs (I think it was NPR I heard about it).
  • [04:09:53] <thews> prpplague: that's good news
  • [04:10:08] <saturnine> I'm happy for you, but sad for me.
  • [04:10:11] <prpplague> saturnine: oh? i had not heard
  • [04:10:19] <prpplague> saturnine: see /msg
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  • [04:10:53] <thews> prpplague: I tested hdmi audio earlier with the lapdock it worked nicely. I didn't need to use the resolutions that I saw in the forum / wiki that said it had to be CEA resolutions
  • [04:10:58] <saturnine> I don't understand
  • [04:11:28] <saturnine> OIC
  • [04:11:30] <saturnine> got it
  • [04:11:35] <thews> prpplague: also I found out that you have to cut 5v+ on usb for usb to work for the host port
  • [04:11:46] <thews> that wasn't documented anywhere
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  • [04:32:03] <saturnine> Thanks again. Bye.
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  • [05:36:20] <pvk> hi
  • [05:37:04] <av500> pvk: why the PM? you gonna offer me money?
  • [05:38:03] <pvk> no
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  • [05:42:59] <myself> that was odd
  • [05:43:53] <myself> the web gateway should open up with like some flash animation that hypnotizes lusers and subconsciously imbues them with clue and sense enough to navigate IRC
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  • [06:13:03] <ColinHarrington> Hi, I'm contemplating getting a BeagleBoneBlack on a project but can't find much about boot times. Can anyone share with me how long their BBB takes to boot to functional code?
  • [06:14:23] <av500> how long do you need?
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  • [06:15:52] <ColinHarrington> Quicker is better, I'd like it to be under 10 seconds if possible
  • [06:16:09] <av500> doable
  • [06:16:16] <ds2> it boots to functional code in less then a second for me
  • [06:17:11] <av500> blinking cursor in uboot does not count! :)
  • [06:17:20] <ColinHarrington> to a Linux environment?
  • [06:17:22] <ds2> it is functional
  • [06:17:23] <ds2> :D
  • [06:17:37] <ds2> are you are telling the u-boot folks their code is not functional? :)
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  • [06:18:00] <ds2> av500: heard you have one of those new OSK5912 OMAP5 boards? ;)
  • [06:18:02] <ColinHarrington> USB Audio -> App (python) FFT -> USB protocol -> Teensy 3.0 -> LED Strips
  • [06:18:23] <ColinHarrington> that is what I'm thinking
  • [06:18:31] <av500> yes
  • [06:18:34] <av500> should be doable
  • [06:19:03] <ds2> but seriously, you can do it in less then 1-2 second
  • [06:19:03] <ColinHarrington> I'm assuming I'd have to use the 2GB emmc space for it
  • [06:19:13] <ColinHarrington> how?
  • [06:19:13] <ds2> unless you want to call joel a lair ;)
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  • [06:19:41] <ds2> same way you fastboot any other platform
  • [06:19:46] <av500> ColinHarrington: you can do the same from sd card
  • [06:19:52] <ds2> avoid wasting time during boot up
  • [06:20:01] <ds2> init once, run many
  • [06:20:15] <ColinHarrington> How does that work?
  • [06:20:39] <ColinHarrington> snapshot of a running system on an SD card?
  • [06:20:44] <ds2> yes
  • [06:21:00] <av500> ColinHarrington: you get <10s also without a snapshot
  • [06:21:05] <ds2> init is a waste of time. try to do as little of that as you can
  • [06:21:30] <ds2> av500: even with USB ? :D
  • [06:21:43] <ColinHarrington> I've got USB & Audio to get working in that time
  • [06:21:51] <sid> How can I change the default bootargs? I'm running debian image, can I simply edit the /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt?
  • [06:22:00] <av500> ds2: can you pre-boot usb?
  • [06:22:13] <ColinHarrington> ds2: do you have an example on how to do that?
  • [06:22:17] <ds2> sure
  • [06:22:37] <ds2> i will after i get this custom board working :D
  • [06:22:49] <ColinHarrington> I'm a Linux user, what distro/image, etc. should I be looking at?
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  • [06:38:23] <ColinHarrington> av500: how do I get <10s without a snapshot?
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  • [06:41:25] <av500> the stock angstrom might boot <10s already
  • [06:41:36] <av500> if you just boot into command line
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  • [07:11:36] <LetoThe2nd> just disable serial console ;)
  • [07:22:14] <dm8tbr> just boot into 'init' where init is a binary that toggles a led.
  • [07:24:01] <LetoThe2nd> link that binary statically into your u-boot.
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  • [07:28:54] <vamc19> Hello! I just bought a Beaglebone Black and I'm trying to install debian on it with Sandisk 8Gb Ultra.
  • [07:29:17] <vamc19> But nothing happens when I power the board after pressing boot button
  • [07:30:00] <vamc19> No matter how long I hold the Boot button, only power led is lit.
  • [07:31:18] <vamc19> Any ways to debug?
  • [07:33:11] <LetoThe2nd> vamc19: a) make sure you used the sd card as a block device, not the partition
  • [07:33:23] <LetoThe2nd> vamc19: b) use the serial debug cable and watch output.
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  • [07:36:10] <vamc19> LetoThe2nd: How can I make sure that the sdcard is a block device. I'm just using 'dd' command.
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  • [07:38:49] <LetoThe2nd> vamc19: well what did you dd to?
  • [07:41:24] <vamc19> I've plugged it to the SD card adapter and placed it in my laptop's integrated card reader. Then I dd to /dev/sdb.
  • [07:42:48] <LetoThe2nd> sdb sounds fine.
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  • [07:46:00] <NovaKitty> is there an easy way to have angstrom set the clock using the internets at some point during boot?
  • [07:47:06] <LetoThe2nd> NovaKitty: http://derekmolloy.ie/automatically-setting-the-beaglebone-black-time-using-ntp/
  • [07:48:55] <NovaKitty> thank you
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  • [08:12:27] <NovaKitty> So I ran a full opkg upgrade while running off the eMMC. It seems it's run out of space while installing.
  • [08:13:49] <av500> yes, dont do that
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  • [08:14:52] <NovaKitty> the first time i tried it i had no display, but it didn't go well. I had to reflash, but i guess i was curious.
  • [08:15:01] <das> NovaKitty: you might trick it by giving /tmp as a dl folder IIRC
  • [08:15:25] <NovaKitty> oh interesting..on the sd or a HD i assume
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  • [08:15:49] <das> maybe this option, do check though: --tmp-dir
  • [08:16:15] <NovaKitty> cool that sounds easy, thank you
  • [08:16:49] <NovaKitty> i think in the long run i want to boot from the eMMC or SD and run the filesystem off a USB HD
  • [08:19:19] * woglinde wonders why jkridner and prpplague do not fix the angstroem repo
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  • [08:29:16] <das> glorious day, I have an oil leak on my car and a memory leak in our firmware \o/
  • [08:32:09] * KotH blames the french
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  • [08:36:00] <das> they always blame the french :(
  • [08:36:20] <av500> mais biensur!
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  • [08:37:24] <KotH> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/246
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  • [08:39:28] <av500> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/59
  • [08:39:30] <das> KotH: so ... I laughed out loud, my boss looked at the quote and asked me to explain ... thank you for that
  • [08:40:10] <KotH> you are welcome :-D
  • [08:40:13] <KotH> what did you tell him?
  • [08:40:41] <das> told him it's only geeks think it's funny
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  • [08:41:15] <av500> meh
  • [08:41:15] <KotH> you work for a non-geek boss? and are french too? poor you!
  • [08:41:40] <LetoThe2nd> concerning quotes, i tried to praise the "inanimate carbon rod" in our yesterdays dev meeting.
  • [08:42:18] <das> there are very few geek bosses out there in big companies
  • [08:43:16] <das> either they have good organizing skills and become project leader, or suck at technical aspects and still end up managing a team :)
  • [08:43:47] <das> at least my boss has good organizational skills
  • [08:43:56] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: and? what was the reaction? :)
  • [08:44:04] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: blank stares.
  • [08:44:08] <KotH> 0_o
  • [08:44:15] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: is your boss french?
  • [08:44:22] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: nope.
  • [08:44:39] <das> hey we ain't the ones who took angstrom.com down !
  • [08:44:54] <KotH> no, that were the terrorists
  • [08:45:02] <das> blame the admins, no one ever got kicked for blaming the admins
  • [08:45:07] <KotH> undermining the national security trough their sneaky attacks
  • [08:45:23] <woglinde> das you are wrong
  • [08:45:27] * KotH kicks das
  • [08:45:32] <KotH> he definitly is
  • [08:45:39] <das> I'll have you know we have mass shootings too, some guy fired one shot in Paris on monday
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  • [08:45:52] <woglinde> das only one?
  • [08:46:09] <das> that's a mass shooting per our standards
  • [08:46:35] <LetoThe2nd> office-rofl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0lqXNlI1rk
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  • [08:47:39] <av500> +1
  • [08:47:45] <av500> fwd'd to the frenchies :)
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  • [09:18:17] <losttt> Hi, I am using BBxM. I have connected a sensor on the i2c 2 bus. i2cget -y -r 2 gives me the address of the i2c device attached (0x68). i2cdump -y 2 0x68 gives me the register map, which is not accurate as per the datasheet. dmesg shows that it failed to register the i2c client. any leads?
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  • [09:20:37] <losttt> any help would be appreciated.
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  • [09:29:07] <losttt> reposting : Hi, I am using BBxM. I have connected a sensor on the i2c 2 bus. i2cget -y -r 2 gives me the address of the i2c device attached (0x68). i2cdump -y 2 0x68 gives me the register map, which is not accurate as per the datasheet. dmesg shows that it failed to register the i2c client. any leads?
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  • [09:51:33] <losttt> reposting : Hi, I am using BBxM. I have connected a sensor on the i2c 2 bus. i2cget -y -r 2 gives me the address of the i2c device attached (0x68). i2cdump -y 2 0x68 gives me the register map, which is not accurate as per the datasheet. dmesg shows that it failed to register the i2c client. any leads?
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  • [09:54:13] <LetoThe2nd> losttt: no need to repost it a 4th time - probably nobody knows right now.
  • [09:54:45] <losttt> LetoThe2nd: yeah. :/
  • [09:54:53] <LetoThe2nd> losttt: rather use the time to investigate closer, maybe by poking the device directly instead of using pre-made tools like i2cget.
  • [09:55:07] <LetoThe2nd> -> /dev/i2c is your friend
  • [09:55:21] <losttt> i am working on that.
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  • [10:07:31] <m8> Hi, i can use P8_3 for blink a led in Angstrom?
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  • [10:12:18] <LetoThe2nd> m8: technically yes, if you are not using mmc1 (according to http://www.embedded-things.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/P8.png)
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  • [10:14:10] <m8> LetoThe2nd, mmc is the integrated flash memory?
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  • [10:15:20] <LetoThe2nd> m8: not sure. i personally would go to p9-14 or p9-16, i'm relatively sure they are free.
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  • [10:16:55] <m8> LetoThe2nd, good but if i need many pins?
  • [10:17:20] <LetoThe2nd> m8: then you have to evaluate the documentation.
  • [10:18:21] <m8> LetoThe2nd, good
  • [10:18:35] <m8> LetoThe2nd, i don't need the hdmi output
  • [10:18:55] <LetoThe2nd> thanks for telling us.
  • [10:19:35] <m8> LetoThe2nd, np do you have used hdmi pins for other?
  • [10:19:56] <LetoThe2nd> no.
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  • [10:21:02] <m8> thanks for telling us.
  • [10:21:55] <LetoThe2nd> well you asked. (*thats* the difference :P )
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  • [10:22:57] <m8> thanks anyway
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  • [12:26:49] <ezequielg> it seems there's some patches pending at mainline for USB and MMC to work. maybe some of joel's regulator DT patches? anyone can point me at them?
  • [12:28:43] <woglinde> ezequielg I saw some patches for musb this week for 13
  • [12:28:50] <woglinde> on the arm-ml
  • [12:28:59] <woglinde> aehm linux kernel arm ml
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  • [12:30:57] <ezequielg> ok, linux-next for today has support for MMC
  • [12:30:59] <ogra_> woglinde, what went upstream is apparently not enough
  • [12:31:00] <ezequielg> good!
  • [12:31:01] <ogra_> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg96917.html
  • [12:31:24] <ezequielg> so maybe it wasn't properly configured on my side
  • [12:31:29] <ezequielg> but now is working
  • [12:32:16] <ezequielg> ogra_: ah, thanks! that one might remove the lockdep warning. i'll take a look
  • [12:32:34] <ezequielg> oh boy, i would love to start using mainline and drop this monster TI kernel
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  • [12:36:47] <somesomething> /topic/j #beagle
  • [12:36:49] <somesomething> derp
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  • [12:37:23] <somesomething> Would it be possible to develop a video decoding cape for the bbb?
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  • [12:38:19] <somesomething> or does that sound like a crazy man speaking
  • [12:39:58] <av500> glue a r-pi on top
  • [12:40:15] <av500> just decode video is no enough
  • [12:40:21] <av500> BBB has only 16bit video out
  • [12:40:31] <av500> so you need a separate HDMI out
  • [12:41:40] <somesomething> I'll glue another hdmi on the cape, no biggie
  • [12:43:19] <Anguel> hm, why do I have the impression that I have to use an RPi for any serious work :)
  • [12:43:38] <ogra_> you dont
  • [12:44:13] <ogra_> for serious work you use BBB ...
  • [12:44:15] <av500> if serious work means decoding hd video, yes
  • [12:44:19] <av500> it was made for that
  • [12:44:33] <ogra_> right, thats almost the only thing it can do well
  • [12:44:54] <av500> as long as the video is not stored on usb stick :)
  • [12:44:57] <somesomething> I like to abuse hardware, so I want to exploit the bbb and have full hd video decoding
  • [12:45:04] <av500> or streamed over usb networking
  • [12:45:11] <ogra_> :)
  • [12:45:12] <av500> somesomething: then add an rpi
  • [12:45:28] <av500> though, how to get the hd video into the rpi?
  • [12:45:29] <av500> SPI?
  • [12:45:31] <av500> I2C?
  • [12:45:34] <av500> bitbanging?
  • [12:45:39] <somesomething> BITBANGING
  • [12:45:43] <av500> ok
  • [12:45:50] <ogra_> ultrasonic from speaker to mic
  • [12:45:51] <Anguel> the BBB is wonderful, but only in theory - it does has a buggy unsupported OS and not even a working 3D chip
  • [12:45:52] * av500 turns on the solder station
  • [12:46:04] <av500> Anguel: sell it on ebay
  • [12:46:21] <av500> or donate it
  • [12:46:26] <Anguel> just sharing my impressions
  • [12:46:30] <ogra_> it has a very well working 3D chip afaik
  • [12:46:44] <Anguel> and hoping that some day in the future things will get better
  • [12:46:47] <ogra_> just no video decoder
  • [12:46:54] <somesomething> start by making it better yourself
  • [12:48:41] <Anguel> sure, I will write a driver for TI, will write a new kernel, update and fix Angstrom
  • [12:48:54] <somesomething> and thank you for doing that
  • [12:49:07] <somesomething> but please collaborate with the existing products first :)
  • [12:49:31] <Anguel> no problem, I have to support companies like TI which can't afford a developer or two
  • [12:50:14] <Anguel> and make wrong decisions on top of that
  • [12:52:06] <somesomething> doesn't the BBB's soc support neon?
  • [12:52:22] <Anguel> probably they will now completely drop the BBB in favor of the Arduino Tre...
  • [12:52:49] <Anguel> somesomething: it does
  • [12:53:08] <av500> somesomething: it does
  • [12:53:11] <somesomething> can't one use neon for video decoding then?
  • [12:54:27] <Anguel> btw, any news if koen will ever come back?
  • [12:54:46] <somesomething> in the trd it says the soc supports neon
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  • [12:54:58] <somesomething> and I know certain situations where neon is used for decoding video
  • [12:55:16] <Anguel> somesomething: then it should work, at least in theory :)
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  • [12:55:57] <Anguel> somesomething: afaik, you need to use the Angstrom to get neon support
  • [12:56:09] <av500> somesomething: no
  • [12:56:12] <av500> neon is not enough
  • [12:56:23] <av500> you cannot decode h264 HD with neon alone
  • [12:56:29] <av500> at 1ghz
  • [13:00:39] <KotH> you can, if it's stamp sized video, like the old old .rm files :)
  • [13:01:04] <Anguel> just ordered a nexus 5 for video decoding ;)
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  • [13:03:06] <woglinde> Anguel ask koen himself he is still on irc
  • [13:03:30] <ogra_> he is in #lianro
  • [13:03:40] <woglinde> and #oe
  • [13:04:16] <woglinde> or just use /msg which could be a bad idea
  • [13:04:18] <somesomething> ah I see, neon is sort of a supporting element in decoding
  • [13:04:28] <woglinde> p.O
  • [13:04:38] <Anguel> a ok, so he has only left #beagle
  • [13:05:02] <av500> you dont need to use Angstrom to use neon
  • [13:05:09] <av500> works as will in other linux distros
  • [13:05:34] <woglinde> av500 I have the feeling he did not understand what neon does
  • [13:05:42] <Anguel> av500: if i remember correctly, ubuntu / debian didn't support it
  • [13:05:54] <av500> there is nothing to "support"
  • [13:05:57] <av500> the CPU does already
  • [13:06:21] <Anguel> the compiler?
  • [13:06:27] <woglinde> anguel yes
  • [13:06:28] <av500> gcc?
  • [13:06:38] <av500> you dont need the compiler
  • [13:06:39] <ogra_> in ubuntu NEON is supported in libs that can do runtime detection of it
  • [13:06:44] <av500> you write neon in asm anyway
  • [13:06:58] <woglinde> av500 hm really?
  • [13:07:03] <ogra_> all other binaries are built without it by default
  • [13:07:06] <av500> of course debian for armv5 does not "support" neon
  • [13:07:17] <av500> its like taking country roads and ignoring highways
  • [13:07:22] <ogra_> av500, the binary libs dont do it either ...
  • [13:07:30] <ogra_> (on armhf)
  • [13:07:32] <av500> your loss
  • [13:07:33] <woglinde> av500 which is perfect for armv5 socs
  • [13:07:42] <av500> its 2013, just saying
  • [13:07:48] <ogra_> av500, well, there are many server arches that dont have NEON
  • [13:07:55] <av500> too bad
  • [13:08:00] <ogra_> specifically marvell ones
  • [13:08:21] <av500> otoh, you dont need neon to serve bits
  • [13:08:27] <ogra_> right
  • [13:08:39] <ogra_> well, for data analysis it surely helps to have it
  • [13:09:02] <ogra_> which is what all the server PR people want you to do with arm
  • [13:09:06] <av500> big data?
  • [13:09:10] <somesomething> what if I were to invent some magic decoder that decodes 1080p h264 on current BBB hardware in real time
  • [13:09:12] <ogra_> yeah
  • [13:09:15] <somesomething> nobody has tried magic code
  • [13:09:21] <av500> go ahead
  • [13:09:34] <somesomething> only if you will send me cake when I do
  • [13:09:41] <av500> deal
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  • [13:12:35] <av500> rpi this: http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/20/5125006/philips-desso-light-transmissive-carpets
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  • [13:13:24] <ogra_> cute
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  • [13:14:12] <KotH> i need those!
  • [13:14:17] <KotH> nao!
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  • [13:17:32] <bareil76> hi all
  • [13:17:53] <bareil76> is anybody on this channel?
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  • [13:18:21] * KotH is quite sure that nobody is on this channel
  • [13:18:42] <ogra_> /whios nobody
  • [13:18:47] <ogra_> bah
  • [13:18:52] <ogra_> /whois nobody
  • [13:20:02] <bareil76> alright
  • [13:20:09] <bareil76> I am new here this is why
  • [13:20:36] <bareil76> I am looking for some info on the beagle board.. can you help me?
  • [13:21:15] <Anguel> nsa is always on this channel :)
  • [13:21:24] <bareil76> :)
  • [13:22:06] <bareil76> I usually work with microchip uC and have some question on the tools I need to start with beaglebone/TI processors
  • [13:24:22] <Anguel> bareil76: you will have to learn linux, a lot of linux, and more time and patience than ever before
  • [13:24:44] <bareil76> i already know linux
  • [13:24:59] <bareil76> I was just wondering how to reprogram the board
  • [13:25:44] <ogra_> bareil76, it usually runs a full linux
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  • [13:26:06] <bareil76> ok... but how do I put my program into this board?
  • [13:26:07] <Anguel> then read on beagleboard.org - and the BBB is not an MCU, it is a whole computer that has its code on sd card or eMMC
  • [13:26:11] <ogra_> so you reprogram like you would do on a linux PC or any other linux device
  • [13:26:19] <bareil76> ok... cool
  • [13:26:46] <bareil76> and what about the ti processor that are NOT packaged into a beagleboard?
  • [13:27:49] <Anguel> bareil76: they will need an external sd card or emmc, so you need to make a board
  • [13:28:10] <Anguel> you can't flash them with your code
  • [13:28:31] <Anguel> as you can't flash a pc cpu :)
  • [13:28:41] <bareil76> ok... :P
  • [13:29:00] <bareil76> and what about the Jtag interface?
  • [13:29:13] <bareil76> it can be use to debug?
  • [13:29:39] <Anguel> probably yes, but you use gdb normally
  • [13:29:50] <bareil76> gdb?
  • [13:29:52] <Anguel> and debug through ethernet
  • [13:30:07] <Anguel> gnu debugger
  • [13:30:10] <bareil76> ok
  • [13:30:43] <Anguel> maybe get a book about embedded linux, it is a completely different world than MCUs
  • [13:30:59] <bareil76> I will do that
  • [13:31:43] <Anguel> more complex and sometimes annoying, e.g. if you find out that something does not work
  • [13:31:50] <bareil76> and what is the interface that you use to see the linux soft
  • [13:31:51] <bareil76> ???
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  • [13:33:40] <ogra_> ssh, a serial terminal ... a local terminal if you attach monitor and kbd
  • [13:33:49] <ogra_> whatever you like
  • [13:33:54] <bareil76> ok.. nice
  • [13:34:08] <bareil76> and one last question to unscramble it all....
  • [13:35:01] <bareil76> what is the purpose of CCStudio ? If we are on a complete linux system... we can use any linux compilers (c, c++, Qt, etc)
  • [13:35:21] <KotH> bareil76: get the "embedded linux primer"
  • [13:35:25] <KotH> bareil76: you will need it
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  • [13:35:37] <Anguel> ccstudio is just an eclipse based ide
  • [13:35:47] * ogra_ doesnt know CCStudio ... but yes, all linux compiler should just work
  • [13:35:53] <Anguel> you can also use qt creator etc
  • [13:35:57] <ogra_> even fortran :P
  • [13:36:04] <KotH> you should use vi
  • [13:36:08] <ogra_> ++
  • [13:36:12] <av500> ed
  • [13:36:14] <bareil76> wow!!! I think I will like those processors.!!!
  • [13:36:15] <KotH> it's an ethical editor
  • [13:36:25] <bareil76> vi?
  • [13:36:38] <ogra_> and ed is a talking horse
  • [13:36:43] <Anguel> bareil76: I am sure you will hate them, but go on :)
  • [13:36:47] <bareil76> lol
  • [13:36:49] <av500> ogra_: +1
  • [13:37:48] <bareil76> what is the hard part about those?
  • [13:38:30] <KotH> the urge you'll feel in the beginning to use your mouse instead of leaving your hands on the keyboard
  • [13:39:07] <bareil76> lol... I know linux therminal is a pain in the. *** sometime.. but if that is all.. I live with that
  • [13:39:13] <bareil76> and what about the drivers?
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  • [13:39:25] <Anguel> complex hardware, complex hw, linux, kernel, differnces between linux distros, unpredictable latency, missing drivers, bugs
  • [13:39:37] <Anguel> no support
  • [13:39:44] <bareil76> lol
  • [13:39:55] <Anguel> nobody who can help you, etc
  • [13:40:09] <bareil76> there is a 4000 pages data sheet... it is not sufficient?
  • [13:40:11] <bareil76> lol
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  • [13:40:20] <Anguel> it's only the cpu
  • [13:40:28] <Anguel> haven't touch it yet :)
  • [13:41:13] <Anguel> do you read the intel core cpu datasheets? :)
  • [13:41:21] <bareil76> no
  • [13:41:23] <bareil76> why?
  • [13:41:40] <Anguel> most part of the cpu datasheet you don't need
  • [13:41:46] <bareil76> ok
  • [13:41:48] <bareil76> have you tried the TI Shareware?
  • [13:41:54] <Anguel> the problems are elsewhere
  • [13:42:00] <bareil76> no.. I means Starterware
  • [13:42:01] <Anguel> TI shareware?
  • [13:42:09] <bareil76> Starterware
  • [13:42:11] <bareil76> sorry
  • [13:42:13] <KotH> Anguel: please, dont scare the n00bs
  • [13:42:25] <KotH> Anguel: there is already enough to be scared of without you ;)
  • [13:42:26] <Anguel> just telling from my experience
  • [13:42:29] <bareil76> he is no scary me.. he is motivating me
  • [13:42:35] <KotH> oh.. ok
  • [13:42:40] <KotH> Anguel: keep on motivating!
  • [13:42:41] <KotH> :)
  • [13:42:43] <bareil76> lol
  • [13:42:50] <Anguel> a no, from my experience with TI it is not worth trying their "software"
  • [13:43:17] <bareil76> ok.. so you don't recommand CCStudio
  • [13:43:21] <Anguel> they have sitara linux SDK but it uses an old kernel
  • [13:43:49] <Anguel> ccstudio is a good ide for coding, at least for mcus
  • [13:44:04] <Anguel> not tried it with linux
  • [13:44:09] <bareil76> ok
  • [13:44:28] <bareil76> they also have the windows CE .. maybe it is easier to work with
  • [13:44:45] <Anguel> there you have to ask Microsoft
  • [13:44:53] <bareil76> lol
  • [13:44:54] <bareil76> ok
  • [13:44:55] <Anguel> nobody here uses it
  • [13:45:12] <Anguel> not that you will get much help with linux here :)
  • [13:45:17] <bareil76> I will go on and order a beagle board ... install it, try it
  • [13:45:33] <Anguel> yes there is no workaround :)
  • [13:45:52] <bareil76> can't wait to put my hands on a therminal!!!
  • [13:45:56] <bareil76> *terminal
  • [13:46:20] <Anguel> just be prepared to get answers here like: go buy 10 linux books, read them and then come back
  • [13:46:45] <bareil76> ahhhh... the usual forum type help
  • [13:46:51] <Anguel> the problem is that those 10 books won't help you much
  • [13:47:33] <Anguel> as most interesting things are not documented anywhere :)
  • [13:47:51] <bareil76> so how do people even get things done?
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  • [13:52:06] <Anguel> well some of them have a lot of experience (not me)
  • [13:52:22] <Anguel> and it depends what you mean by "things"
  • [13:53:02] <Anguel> most people here don't seem to use Qt, USB, etc.
  • [13:53:19] <somesomething> serial all the way baby
  • [13:53:51] * av500 is posting this line from a Qt app
  • [13:54:21] <somesomething> a cutie app
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  • [13:54:32] <KotH> av500: we already know that you formed some faustian packt, no need to tell us
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  • [13:55:26] <KotH> av500: http://sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4809
  • [13:55:34] <somesomething> can't wait till I get my bbb
  • [13:55:37] <somesomething> NEXT WEEK
  • [13:55:49] <Anguel> somesomething: happy waiting :)
  • [13:55:53] <somesomething> I'm going to do so much crazy shit
  • [13:55:59] <somesomething> magic hd video decoders
  • [13:56:04] <somesomething> vt220 terminals
  • [13:56:19] <somesomething> and breadboars and shit
  • [13:56:27] <riskable> somesomething: vt220 terminals? What's that all about?
  • [13:56:45] <somesomething> connecting a vt220 to the bbb
  • [13:56:46] <av500> hmm, boar on bread sounds tasty
  • [13:56:48] <somesomething> can you imagine that
  • [13:56:52] * riskable wrote Gate One which emulates vt220 so he's curious
  • [13:57:16] <KotH> av500: i'm with you, there!
  • [13:57:35] <somesomething> perhaps I will even travel time with the bbb
  • [13:57:48] <somesomething> wouldn't that be awesome for publicity
  • [13:58:15] <somesomething> CRAZY MAN TRAVELS TIME WITH BEAGLEBONE BLACK BUY NOW!!!$$$$$
  • [13:58:15] <Anguel> somesomething: please bring us a kernel with all TI drivers working from the future :)
  • [13:59:31] <Anguel> ok, time traveling is crazy enough, so we should not expect even more fiction
  • [13:59:55] <riskable> Anguel: Haha, love the comment about the drivers not working
  • [14:00:00] <riskable> Ain't that the truth
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  • [14:00:09] <Anguel> sad but true
  • [14:01:26] <Anguel> i see a big green device tree in my coffee cup
  • [14:01:45] <Anguel> i see it in 3D :)
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  • [14:02:12] <somesomething> who likes to do crazy shit with their bbb and wants to do crazy things together with me
  • [14:02:26] <KotH> Anguel: whatever you put in your coffee.. use less of it
  • [14:02:53] <ogra_> ++
  • [14:02:56] <Anguel> i also have a NEON magic carpet, made by philips
  • [14:03:04] <woglinde> ciao
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  • [14:03:35] <Anguel> ok, no TI logo in the coffee
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  • [14:04:33] <Anguel> no Angstrom, only Arago
  • [14:05:10] <KotH> put yocto in it
  • [14:05:15] <KotH> they give free t-shirts
  • [14:08:01] <Anguel> when will intel finally do a proper mcu comparable to the arm-a8
  • [14:09:52] <Anguel> their latest invention uses i486 architecture
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  • [16:50:56] <karl-s> can the onboard UARTS of the beagleboard black do RTS/DTR/DSR/CTS? i'm looking to turn one into an out of band management box
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  • [16:53:16] <woglinde> why not look at the documentation
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  • [16:54:42] <karl-s> i've been trying but unsuccessfully
  • [16:55:17] <karl-s> i've found a lot of unanswered mailing list posts though... :(
  • [16:55:27] <woglinde> try harder
  • [16:56:12] <woglinde> hm intressting circitou now forwards to elinux
  • [16:56:54] <woglinde> try here http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack
  • [16:57:10] <karl-s> right... the word uart and rs232 do not appear there
  • [16:57:19] <karl-s> have you even tried making sure the answer was there?
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  • [16:58:00] <LetoThe2nd> karl-s: see http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:Cape_Expansion_Headers
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  • [16:58:31] <karl-s> oh perfect!
  • [16:58:31] <LetoThe2nd> karl-s: when the signals are listed in the header descripting and the pins are not occupied by any other function, you should be able to use them.
  • [16:59:08] <LetoThe2nd> karl-s: BTW: this is exactly one click away from the link that woglinde gave you :/
  • [16:59:27] <woglinde> pssssttt
  • [17:00:14] <karl-s> I suppose but for someone who hasn't used a beaglebone before, i wouldnt exactly know to check "cape expansion headers". But now i do. THx.
  • [17:01:07] <LetoThe2nd> karl-s: some minimal googling later: http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-serialuarttty-on-beaglebone-black/
  • [17:01:38] <LetoThe2nd> have fun, then.
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  • [17:34:54] <agent_fsh> Hi all, n00b question here. I have a BBB, but I can't seem to interface with it. I've tried reflashing Angstrom, but it still doesn't 1) appear as USB disk, 2) respond on 192.168.2.7, and 3) no HDMI output :/ Any thoughts?
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  • [17:41:48] <jkridner> did you wait until all the LEDs were on steady?
  • [17:42:03] <jkridner> btw, that should be 192.168.7.2, not 2.7
  • [17:42:19] <jkridner> but, the flash drive thing should happen sooner.
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  • [17:43:20] <jkridner> you need to wait for the LEDs to all be on steady --- about 45 minutes :( --- then remove power, remove the uSD card, *then* apply power (uSD card must have been removed)
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  • [17:44:43] <woglinde> jkridner why does it last 45 minutes?
  • [17:44:51] <matt_00ade> Hi i am new to beaglebone black, i got my box yesterday, so far i have it connected to internent.....however i am more interested in networking...does anyone have have a link where i can read some cool projects in networking using beaglebone ? how can i install ftp server, httpd, and also make my box as webserver
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  • [17:45:03] <jkridner> because Angstrom leaves all the post-install steps until after the first boot...
  • [17:45:12] <jkridner> hundreds of scripts need to be run :(
  • [17:45:42] <woglinde> matt_00ade just as other linux server too
  • [17:45:44] <jkridner> matt_00ade: it has a webserver built-in if you just visit port 80
  • [17:45:57] <jkridner> matt_00ade: you can look up all sorts of how-tos on Linux...
  • [17:45:59] <woglinde> you only need to opkg install webserver_you_want
  • [17:46:09] <jkridner> if you find it easier to work with Ubuntu, check out armhf.com
  • [17:46:17] <jkridner> woglinde: +1
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  • [17:46:45] <jkridner> agent_fsh: ???
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  • [17:48:11] <matt_00ade> jkrindner and woglinde thanks for the tips....
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  • [17:48:31] <matt_00ade> i tried to burn ubuntu saucy on my mSD
  • [17:48:45] <matt_00ade> but when i hold down the boot botton...and power it on
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  • [17:49:03] <matt_00ade> i am expecting it to boot from mSD
  • [17:49:08] <matt_00ade> but it never does..
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  • [17:49:51] <agent_fsh> hi jkridner, sorry
  • [17:50:07] <agent_fsh> yes, I had done that. all lights were solid, and I left them solid for 20min or so to be safe :)
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  • [17:51:05] <agent_fsh> sorry, type on the IP. was trying 7.2 :)
  • [17:51:34] <agent_fsh> to move image to SD, I had used dd bs=4m if=blah.img of=/dev/disk1
  • [17:51:44] <jkridner> matt_00ade: I just did a new image this morning and it worked fine. You hold down the switch near the uSD card slot, right? How do you know it doesn't boot? No USRx LEDs blinking?
  • [17:51:45] <agent_fsh> is it possible that the 4m block size introduced an error?
  • [17:51:54] <jkridner> matt_00ade: 4GB uSD card or larger?
  • [17:52:30] <jkridner> agent_fsh: if the lights blink for a long time then go steady, then it wasn't likely a uSD card flashing error.
  • [17:52:47] <agent_fsh> I had also been using a 32gb card (only mSD i had lying around). is the high capacity format readable by BBB? flashing appeared to work okay.
  • [17:52:53] <jkridner> agent_fsh: no chance you have an FTDI serial cable, is there?
  • [17:52:59] <agent_fsh> I do actually!
  • [17:53:11] <jkridner> capturing a boot log would be *super* helpful.
  • [17:53:21] <jkridner> really miss that feature from the original BeagleBone.
  • [17:53:21] <agent_fsh> I'll google that.
  • [17:53:32] <matt_00ade> jkridner yes i hold down the switch, then after 10 second two blue light were blinking.... however when i tried ifconfig on my host i cant see the eth connection and i tried to ssh to beaglebone it never works
  • [17:53:33] <jkridner> k. The SRM has the info in it on connecting it.
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  • [17:54:10] <jkridner> the Ubuntu images don't include the network gadget over USB. :(
  • [17:54:22] <matt_00ade> usually anytime i plugged it in, it automatically mount the box, but if i try to boot from mSD it will never mount
  • [17:54:39] <matt_00ade> so i just have to plug in my internet cable
  • [17:55:26] <agent_fsh> BTW, how can I tell the difference in the revisions by looking at it?
  • [17:58:00] <jkridner> agent_fsh: board revision? there's a sticker on the Ethernet jack or on one of the connectors, but there haven't been significant functional differences between the versions.
  • [17:58:22] <agent_fsh> so I've taken a look at the SRM, and can't really see any instructions on how to debug.
  • [17:58:27] <agent_fsh> am I connecting by screen?
  • [17:58:34] <matt_00ade> jkridner i just tried it again but i can not ssh to it
  • [17:58:36] <agent_fsh> baudrate 115200?
  • [17:58:37] <jkridner> matt_00ade: if the uSD card has an Ubuntu image, that image behaves differently than the build-in eMMC Angstrom image.
  • [17:58:45] <jkridner> agent_fsh: yup
  • [17:59:03] <jkridner> screen /dev/tty.usbserialXXXXXX 115200 (Mac)
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  • [17:59:31] <agent_fsh> ta
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  • [18:03:08] <Norbert> Hi Guys, I was wondering if someone of you can help me to figure out how to print something on a 20x4 i2c LCD Display. I would like if you can provide me a tutorial,
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  • [18:03:26] <Norbert> I've tried with this tutorial http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=34261&p=391390 , but still no results
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  • [18:05:29] <woglinde> ?
  • [18:05:40] <woglinde> rpi is rpi not beagle
  • [18:06:52] <ogra_> seriously ?!?
  • [18:07:00] <ogra_> :)
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  • [18:07:29] <Russ> generic I2C code should be generic I2C code though
  • [18:08:16] <Norbert> Russ, I thought the same thing
  • [18:08:30] <jonpry> i2c1 or i2c2?
  • [18:08:53] <woglinde> russ so you can give nobert a tutorial
  • [18:09:22] <Norbert> hmm, honestly I have no idea, this is the display http://www.ebay.com/itm/310575296583?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
  • [18:09:50] <jonpry> what pins did you attach it to?
  • [18:10:21] <woglinde> jonpry to me is unclear if he did connect it to a rpi or a beagle
  • [18:10:25] <Norbert> P9-19 the SCL
  • [18:10:28] * tehKitten wants an e-ink screen on the bbb
  • [18:10:34] <Norbert> P9-20 the SDA
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  • [18:11:00] <Norbert> I have a beaglebone black rev A5B
  • [18:11:45] <jonpry> i2c2
  • [18:11:55] <jonpry> maybe need pullups
  • [18:13:15] <jonpry> and in that code maybe mess with port, could be 2
  • [18:13:39] <jonpry> or 0, not sure how that is mapping to anything
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  • [18:14:44] <matt_00ade> I still cant get ubuntu to work on beaglebox....does anyone know any guide about this please ?
  • [18:15:38] <Ferris> Where did you get your Ubuntu image from?
  • [18:16:08] <matt_00ade> each time i try to install any package on angtrom, i get this collected errors * opkg_install_com: cannot install package
  • [18:17:59] <matt_00ade> Ferris from http://www.armhf.com/index.php/download/
  • [18:18:17] <Ferris> So that's a flasher version if i'm not mistaken
  • [18:19:07] <Ferris> I may be wrong
  • [18:19:10] <Ferris> so it's not really booting from the mSD, but flashing the eMMC
  • [18:20:08] <matt_00ade> but it never flashe the eMMC coz my angstrom (which i flahed) still work fine when i remove the uSD
  • [18:20:53] <Ferris> yeah thats why I was reluctant to say waht I just said
  • [18:22:32] <Ferris> how long do you hold down the boot button?
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  • [18:27:23] <jkridner> hold the button before applying power and you can release it just a second after applying power.
  • [18:27:50] <matt_00ade> i hold it down until the usb light come on
  • [18:28:11] <jkridner> I'm running http://s3.armhf.com/debian/saucy/bone/ubuntu-saucy-13.10-armhf-3.8.13-bone30.img.xz and it doesn't appear to be a flasher image.
  • [18:28:15] <matt_00ade> jkridner thats exactly what i did
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  • [18:29:57] <matt_00ade> jkridner, i have one question may be little bit stupid...... do you run the ubuntu from uSD ? do you connected to router direct with cable ? how do you have the ubuntu on, atleast the terminal
  • [18:30:15] <jkridner> I'm running Ubuntu from the uSD.
  • [18:30:33] <jkridner> Yes, you can connect the Ethernet cable directly from the router...
  • [18:31:01] <jkridner> it'll DHCP an address, so you can use that to log in. Your router should list devices that have gotten DHCP addresses.
  • [18:31:29] <jkridner> personally, I have a FTDI serial cable and am using the serial console that way.
  • [18:31:45] <jkridner> I'm working on making a script to add the gadget driver.
  • [18:32:31] <matt_00ade> ok, then i can just do port scanning to know which devices are on my network
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  • [18:33:26] <agent_fsh> okay - so I've found my FTDI cable - which pin is ground?
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  • [18:34:05] <agent_fsh> (ethernet side, or USB side on BBB)
  • [18:34:43] <prpplague> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Serial
  • [18:35:38] <agent_fsh> white dot is ground :)
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  • [18:38:25] <agent_fsh> blegh... I think my FTDI is 5v :/ Might have an LLC lying around.
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  • [18:43:57] <woglinde> jo prpplague
  • [18:44:14] <prpplague> woglinde: yes?
  • [18:47:06] <woglinde> was only a hi
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  • [18:49:06] <prpplague> woglinde: ahh
  • [18:49:09] <prpplague> woglinde: greetings!
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  • [19:00:33] <matt_00ade> jkridner, yh i manage to have it working.......thanks by the way do you have any link to network project with beaglebone ? there are quiet few project with rpi
  • [19:01:19] <jkridner> they are all fairly generic. I'm not sure what a network project would be.
  • [19:01:25] <jkridner> It's just Linux!
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  • [19:04:06] <riskable> So assuming my app logs to /var/log/<whatever>, should I have it change to logging via systemd's journal logging style if it detects its presence?
  • [19:07:02] <ds2> yes, the hw on the BBB can do flow control on some UARTs
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  • [19:17:37] <Borromini> hi guys
  • [19:17:51] <Borromini> i have purchased a beaglebone black and am trying to get HDMI audio going on it
  • [19:18:00] <Borromini> loaded the BBB with Debian
  • [19:18:42] <Borromini> alsa says the output device has no mixer controls, and mpd complains "mixer: Failed to read mixer for 'My ALSA Device': no such mixer control: PCM"
  • [19:19:55] <Borromini> i see omap sound modules being mentioned here and there but they're not present on my system, do i need those? i'm running a debian image that was linked to from elinux.org
  • [19:20:04] <Borromini> thank you
  • [19:20:59] <agent_fsh> so I never managed to get FTDI working, but I have managed to boot my BBB off an image on an SD.
  • [19:21:25] <agent_fsh> I can try flashing again to see if that changes anything, but happy to run of SD for now :)
  • [19:22:20] <agent_fsh> next mountain is that HDMI doesn't seem to be working for me (my monitor stays blank). I've heard of HDMI issues on BBB, and I don't need HDMI, but I now have to try and install packages on the BBB and I've never been able to set up wifi on anything like this over term before.
  • [19:22:39] <agent_fsh> anyone have experience connecting BBB to the net with only an SSH terminal to go by?
  • [19:22:52] <Borromini> yes, and it works pretty well
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  • [19:23:27] <Borromini> it's how i set it up actually... loading the microsd, then booting off it
  • [19:23:46] <Borromini> configure it over ssh
  • [19:24:39] <agent_fsh> to connect to the net?
  • [19:24:56] <agent_fsh> I only have internet via a wifi router
  • [19:25:04] <Ferris> i never had to configure anything to get it to connect through the net (ethernet)
  • [19:25:19] <agent_fsh> I'm connected to my macbook over ethernet
  • [19:25:30] <agent_fsh> and my macbook has wifi
  • [19:25:40] <agent_fsh> I suppose I could try bridge the two
  • [19:25:43] <Borromini> it gets an IP address with DHCP once you connect it to the net
  • [19:25:53] <Borromini> i just put it in my LAN
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  • [19:26:52] <Ferris> agent_fsh did you turn on Internet sharing in System Prefs?
  • [19:28:47] <agent_fsh> awesome
  • [19:28:52] <agent_fsh> didn't realise that was an option!
  • [19:29:08] <agent_fsh> configured udhcpc, and it works :D much easier than expected :)
  • [19:29:52] <Ferris> I used to do that with my Nintendo DS before we got a wireless router
  • [19:30:10] <Ferris> use the iMac as a pseudo-router
  • [19:31:32] <Vaizki_> which reminds me that as much as I love osx on the desktop, the osx kernel doesn't do bridging. at all. just doesn't. wtf is up with that.
  • [19:32:02] <Vaizki_> no need to answer, it was just a vent with rhetorical question finale
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  • [19:41:39] <agent_fsh> Borromini: You mentioned you're running Debian on BBB?
  • [19:42:24] <agent_fsh> Have you tried different flavours? Any preferred? Just tried cloning from github, and angstrom's git version is below github's minimum :(
  • [19:44:38] <agent_fsh> big question is BeagleBoneDebian vs ARMhf (Ubuntu)
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  • [19:46:22] <Borromini> agent_fsh: i am running on jessie
  • [19:46:42] <Borromini> updated from wheezy
  • [19:47:04] <Borromini> there is an image that writes debian to your internal storage when booted from the sd card
  • [19:47:28] <Borromini> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black
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  • [19:47:43] <Borromini> the flasher image is wheezy only so far
  • [19:47:50] <ezequielg> is the mainline USB supposed to work when configured as built-in in the Beaglebone black=
  • [19:47:54] <ezequielg> ??
  • [19:48:04] <Borromini> https://rcn-ee.net/deb/flasher/wheezy/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.2-2013-11-15.img.xz < grab it, put it on the sd card, boot the bbb from it
  • [19:48:06] <agent_fsh> cool cool... is Jessy stable? I see it's a dev snapshot
  • [19:48:07] <ezequielg> i keep getting "probal defered" messages
  • [19:48:18] <agent_fsh> giving it a shot :) thanks!
  • [19:48:25] <Borromini> leave it for 5-6 minutes, if all the leds blink flashing is done
  • [19:48:31] <Borromini> after that you can upgrade to jessie:
  • [19:49:10] <Borromini> replace wheezy instances with jessie in /etc/apt/sources.list (comment the updates entries)
  • [19:49:23] <Borromini> then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
  • [19:49:32] <Borromini> it's stable afaict agent_fsh :)
  • [19:49:43] <Borromini> and the kernel stays the same
  • [19:49:48] <Borromini> since it's not really tied to debian
  • [19:50:23] <agent_fsh> amazing
  • [19:50:26] <agent_fsh> rockstar!
  • [19:50:38] <Borromini> ;)
  • [19:50:42] <agent_fsh> I think it's safer to stick with the distro you know :P
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  • [19:52:17] <Borromini> whatever suits you best :)
  • [19:52:29] <Borromini> upgrading takes a bit, not a lot of horsepower :P
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  • [20:05:16] <`Ishq> In order to use a transistor as a switch for the beaglebone, Does the emitter base voltage need to be less than or equal to 1.3V?
  • [20:05:56] <`Ishq> Oh, never mind, 3.3V
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  • [20:10:34] <prpplague> `Ishq: what are you trying to accomplish?
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  • [20:11:38] <`Ishq> Boost use it as a switch to switch a relay.
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  • [20:11:51] <`Ishq> ehh
  • [20:11:59] <`Ishq> Use it as an amplifier for the GPIO voltage
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  • [20:12:07] <`Ishq> I have a 9V battery I want to use to switch a relay.
  • [20:12:30] <`Ishq> Which will then switch a 12VAC sprinkler valv
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  • [20:12:32] <`Ishq> *valve
  • [20:12:34] <`Ishq> prpplague:
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  • [20:13:34] <prpplague> `Ishq: uh ok
  • [20:13:47] <prpplague> sounds a like round the way
  • [20:14:39] <prpplague> `Ishq: http://seeedstudio.com/wiki/Relay_Shield
  • [20:14:52] <prpplague> `Ishq: you can basically implement the same thing for black
  • [20:15:28] <`Ishq> Well, I already have the relays, and a box full of transistors...
  • [20:16:10] <`Ishq> Just need to find literature about how to actually use the transistor as a switch. I haven't been able to find what the specs on the datasheet mean.
  • [20:16:50] <prpplague> hehe i just gave you that
  • [20:17:35] <`Ishq> At the relay shield link?
  • [20:17:40] <prpplague> `Ishq: yes
  • [20:17:50] <prpplague> `Ishq: like i said, you can implement the exact same thing
  • [20:17:58] <prpplague> grab the schematic and look
  • [20:18:21] <prpplague> carpman: seems we have a lot of people trying to do this, maybe relay shield be the next one on the list
  • [20:19:21] <`Ishq> Hm, thanks.
  • [20:21:26] * carpman makes a note
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  • [20:29:52] <thews> Borromini: just know that ubuntu / debian don't have sgx acceleration
  • [20:30:01] <thews> nothing past kernel 3.2 afaik
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  • [20:30:32] <_av500_> 2.6.32 maybe?
  • [20:31:22] <thews> _av500_: is there a ubuntu image with 2.6.32 ?
  • [20:31:56] <thews> I'm willing to downgrade to an LTS release with an older kernel if I can have the acceleration
  • [20:32:17] <prpplague> thews: what do you think you need the acceleration for?
  • [20:32:51] <thews> prpplague: make iceweasel snappier when I want to use it
  • [20:33:06] <Borromini> thews: i don't need that for audio, do i?
  • [20:33:13] <Borromini> its sole purpose will be an MPD server
  • [20:33:17] <Borromini> no video playback
  • [20:33:27] <thews> Borromini: not for audio no, but some audio stuff can really eat up cpu resources
  • [20:33:42] <Borromini> hmm
  • [20:33:49] <Borromini> should it be working out of the box though?
  • [20:33:49] <thews> I run pithos on my BBB
  • [20:34:03] <thews> sgx acceleration works with angstrom out of the box I believe
  • [20:34:19] <thews> pithos eats up ~70%cpu when streaming audio
  • [20:34:28] <Borromini> ouch
  • [20:34:35] <thews> I couldn't believe it
  • [20:34:41] <Borromini> MPD would be doing FLAC decoding
  • [20:34:53] <thews> what's weird is pianobar which is what I think pithos is based on, doesn't eat up that much cpu
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  • [20:35:08] <Borromini> ok
  • [20:35:09] <thews> I don't have it in front of me right now or I'd let you know
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  • [20:35:12] <Borromini> maybe some bad coding then
  • [20:35:17] <Borromini> :)
  • [20:35:22] <Borromini> well i appreciate the input
  • [20:35:31] <Borromini> do you use a DAC?
  • [20:35:43] <Borromini> or the micro HDMI out for auio
  • [20:35:47] <Borromini> * audio
  • [20:35:54] <thews> micro hdmi out to lapdock when I use audio
  • [20:36:26] <Borromini> ok
  • [20:36:34] <Borromini> anything specific you had to configure to get it to work?
  • [20:37:01] <Borromini> i've read somewhere that sometimes if HDMI doesn't get any video data fed the connection will shut down entirely
  • [20:37:14] <prpplague> there is no sgx support in the angstrom builds for beaglebone and beaglebone black
  • [20:37:23] <prpplague> (with 3.8 kernel)
  • [20:37:25] <Borromini> my rpi shows stuff on my tv through my receiver, the bbb doesn't
  • [20:37:40] <Borromini> prpplague: but that should not affect audio, or am i mistaken?
  • [20:37:46] <thews> Borromini: I just had to install I think 3 things, but I installed a few codec groups too
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  • [20:38:01] <Borromini> ok
  • [20:38:34] <Borromini> well there are no audio controls etc on my installation
  • [20:38:41] <Borromini> at least that's what alsa complains about
  • [20:38:44] <Borromini> and mpd
  • [20:38:59] <Borromini> the hdmi output is recognised but that's about it
  • [20:39:37] <thews> Borromini: alsa-utils mpg321 lame then run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
  • [20:39:43] <thews> first three are packages
  • [20:39:57] <Borromini> yeah
  • [20:40:06] <thews> Borromini: using that I was able to get audio working even without X on hdmi
  • [20:40:18] <Borromini> hmm
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  • [20:40:24] <Borromini> alsa-utils is installed
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  • [20:40:42] <thews> try aplay to see if it plays audio
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  • [20:44:37] <Borromini> no sound
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  • [20:44:47] <Borromini> but the hdmi connection isn't active anymore according to my receiver
  • [20:44:55] <Borromini> going to mess a bit in uEnv.txt and do a reboot
  • [20:44:56] <thews> ahh
  • [20:45:09] <thews> I don't have anything special in uEnv
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  • [20:45:37] <thews> I had hdmi + keyboard and mouse hooked up even though I didn't have X installed
  • [20:46:14] <das_> damnit I tried to fix the stereo on my G51 amplifier and now it's fully fried, av500 have you got (post-1960) suggestions for a replacement ?
  • [20:46:15] <Borromini> i just have an ssh connection going
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  • [20:46:32] <thews> Borromini: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/100588352984244566304/albums/5948082970778996177/5948082969704389730
  • [20:46:41] <thews> it won't work over SSH tty
  • [20:46:48] <thews> has to be on local shell
  • [20:46:59] <thews> I don't know why
  • [20:47:16] <Borromini> thews: thank's a lot
  • [20:47:19] <Borromini> you mean audio?
  • [20:47:22] <Borromini> are you sure?
  • [20:47:23] <Borromini> btw
  • [20:47:27] <thews> yep
  • [20:47:29] <thews> I tried
  • [20:47:31] <Borromini> can you check for mixer controls?
  • [20:47:32] <Borromini> heh
  • [20:47:39] <Borromini> that's pretty bizarre
  • [20:47:56] <thews> Borromini: I don't have it in front of me right now, but mixer controls didn't work from alsa-mixer
  • [20:48:00] <Borromini> and that's angstrom right?
  • [20:48:01] <Borromini> ok
  • [20:48:01] <thews> I had to use the controls of the app
  • [20:48:16] <thews> Borromini: this is debian, but the kernel is not much different
  • [20:48:41] <Borromini> ah you're on debian?
  • [20:48:52] <thews> yeah, but I'm considering options right now
  • [20:48:59] <thews> the SGX acceleration does mean quite a bit to me
  • [20:49:02] <Borromini> i'm running jessie, updated from a recent image posted by robert nelson
  • [20:49:03] <thews> I'd rather have it than not have it
  • [20:49:03] <Borromini> ok
  • [20:49:19] <Borromini> what do you use the bbb for?
  • [20:50:02] <thews> well I was originally just going to use it to replace an arduino project I was working on for greenhouse automation as I'd kind of outgrown arduino
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  • [20:50:15] <thews> but now I've just been tinkering with it a lot more to get ideas
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  • [20:50:55] <prpplague> <thews> the SGX acceleration does mean quite a bit to me
  • [20:50:56] <prpplague> hehe
  • [20:51:08] <prpplague> thews: probably need to look for another platform then
  • [20:51:40] <_av500_> rpi has awesome sgx
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  • [20:51:51] <thews> prpplague: I'm considering another platform for my other tinkering, but I am holding a little bit of hope for SGX, I spent two nights reading through TIs forums and SDK notes and saw some progress made
  • [20:51:53] <_av500_> a bazillion triangles per second
  • [20:52:07] <_av500_> if not more
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  • [20:52:19] <thews> I saw in some of their notes that they were testing SGX DRM on am335x on kernel 3.8
  • [20:52:36] <jonpry> http://pastebin.com/q0NCGyxu
  • [20:52:38] <jonpry> it like tries to load DTB before mounting root
  • [20:52:43] <thews> but right now I'm too lazy to try to build everything, too busy and stressed out and need to stop thinking about that stuff
  • [20:53:16] <thews> it's really hard for me to give up on something
  • [20:53:28] <Borromini> i know that feeling all too well
  • [20:53:33] <Borromini> i should be studying :(
  • [20:53:44] <Borromini> instead i'm messing with this thing to see if i can get it to replace mp rpi
  • [20:53:48] <Borromini> * my rpi
  • [20:53:55] <Borromini> rpi audio playback is horrible
  • [20:53:57] <_av500_> it can unless you need hd video
  • [20:54:06] <_av500_> or hd GUI
  • [20:54:31] <thews> Borromini: I have two usb sound cards I could use to get better support, but I really like the lapdock
  • [20:54:38] <Borromini> ok :)
  • [20:54:52] <Borromini> _av500_: so far no dice on the audio front, no sound
  • [20:54:57] <Borromini> it will be an MPD box
  • [20:55:01] <Borromini> so no GUI needed
  • [20:55:03] <Borromini> just ssh
  • [20:55:14] <thews> I wonder what the video support is like on the udoo
  • [20:55:15] <_av500_> ah
  • [20:55:27] <_av500_> you added a usb soundcard?
  • [20:55:30] <Borromini> no
  • [20:55:36] <Borromini> i am trying to use the micro hdmi out
  • [20:55:38] <_av500_> ah
  • [20:55:42] <Borromini> hooked up to my receiver
  • [20:55:44] <carpman> I've seen tinkering on the kernel drivers (stolen from android kernels), but I have yet to see a DRM driver, so X can't use it.
  • [20:55:48] <Borromini> turns out to be a bit problematic
  • [20:56:01] <thews> I don't like the udoo much, because it doesn't seem to solve any problems to me
  • [20:56:13] <prpplague> thews: i can assure there is no plan currently for SGX support on black
  • [20:56:36] <thews> prpplague: is the Tre going to use the same graphics chip?
  • [20:56:53] <_av500_> its the same chip
  • [20:56:58] <_av500_> there is no gfx chip
  • [20:57:00] <_av500_> AM335x
  • [20:57:02] <_av500_> all inside
  • [20:57:16] <thews> ahh
  • [20:57:25] <_av500_> gfx chips are a thing of the past
  • [20:57:34] <thews> yeah, I didn't know it was am335x
  • [20:57:49] <thews> I figured it might use something updated that they'd work on the drivers for
  • [20:58:00] <_av500_> for an arduino?
  • [20:58:09] <thews> definitely
  • [20:58:33] <_av500_> blink LEDS, not pixels!
  • [20:58:34] <thews> that seems like a pretty big collaboration to me, and something that people will take note of
  • [20:58:41] <thews> :D
  • [20:59:29] <thews> _av500_: here's the deal. a LOT of people want a restful webserver GUI for automation, and would like a small screen hooked up to their device to be able to control it locally
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  • [20:59:49] <thews> you get the acceleration coupled with a webkit browser, and you have a pretty slick device that you can go to market with
  • [21:00:27] <_av500_> just use an FTDI...
  • [21:00:35] <Borromini> ooh
  • [21:00:44] <Borromini> houston we have a visual
  • [21:00:49] <_av500_> good
  • [21:00:51] <Borromini> set the hdmi output to 1280x720
  • [21:01:08] <Borromini> !!!
  • [21:01:09] <thews> FTDI + raspberry pi?
  • [21:01:10] <Borromini> wow
  • [21:01:14] <Borromini> audio works now :)
  • [21:01:20] <thews> Borromini: good deal :)
  • [21:01:24] <Borromini> yeah ;)
  • [21:01:31] <_av500_> thews: http://www.ftdichip.com/EVE.htm :)
  • [21:01:44] <Borromini> i added this thews :
  • [21:01:45] <Borromini> #Video: Uncomment to override:
  • [21:01:46] <Borromini> kms_force_mode=video=HDMI-A-1:1280x720@60
  • [21:01:51] <Borromini> to /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt
  • [21:02:01] <thews> _av500_: first time seeing this, I have FTDI serial breakouts
  • [21:02:12] <_av500_> I know
  • [21:02:17] <_av500_> I saw it today in some trade rag
  • [21:02:54] <_av500_> at least you can put it on a cape easily, only SPI needed :)
  • [21:03:01] <_av500_> prpplague: ^^^
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  • [21:03:53] <thews> _av500_: I really like making my own stuff, I'm not sure if I'll ever use a cape
  • [21:04:10] <thews> unless I get my own fabbed
  • [21:04:53] * thews sometimes spends way too much time making prototype perf boards
  • [21:04:54] <prpplague> _av500_: hehe
  • [21:05:22] <_av500_> imagine have a cape that brings graphics to the BBB
  • [21:05:45] <thews> _av500_: that might be worth it
  • [21:05:49] <thews> _av500_: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zYnsGO8IrEE/UnVNgSqVitI/AAAAAAAAJAQ/DpaVwm_dafU/w1355-h1016-no/20131102_140722.jpg
  • [21:06:28] <_av500_> yes
  • [21:06:45] <_av500_> these are clearly MEGA pixels
  • [21:07:03] <thews> so much soldering
  • [21:07:33] <thews> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--QEh9XDsRWk/UnVxXImZOQI/AAAAAAAAJAs/uhD768xIhUk/w1355-h1016-no/20131102_164025.jpg
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  • [21:10:51] <thews> it's really expensive to make your own solder screened pcbs, otherwise I'd probably make a dremel cnc machine for pcbs
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  • [21:11:52] <SpeedEvil> No, it's not.
  • [21:11:56] * thews lives 100 miles north of Dallas, no access to anything
  • [21:11:57] <SpeedEvil> It's really annoying to do so.
  • [21:12:06] <thews> SpeedEvil: solder screen is pretty expensive
  • [21:12:07] <SpeedEvil> Solder mask 'paint' is available that is UV developed.
  • [21:12:14] <thews> yes
  • [21:12:18] <thews> and you can get it in sheets too
  • [21:12:24] <thews> it is not cheap at all though
  • [21:12:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-PCB-UV-Curable-Solder-Soldering-Mask-Repairing-Paint-Green-100g-/310649918024?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&hash=item48542d9248
  • [21:12:41] <SpeedEvil> I question if anyone sane would call that expensive.
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  • [21:13:17] <thews> 100 grams, I wonder how much that would cover, and what the results are like
  • [21:13:24] <thews> the film makes pretty professional results
  • [21:13:43] <thews> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dry-Film-Solder-Mask-Photosensitive-Resist-for-PCB-Copper-Clad-Circuit-Board-/321251925936?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4acc1b5fb0
  • [21:13:46] <SpeedEvil> It depends on how good a coat you put on.
  • [21:14:18] <ion> thews: Is this of any help? http://imall.iteadstudio.com/open-pcb/pcb-prototyping/im120418001.html https://github.com/dren-dk/HAL900/wiki/Quirks-of-PCB-manufacturing-at-ITead
  • [21:14:24] <thews> considering the prices of seeedstudio pcb or itead, it's cheaper to go that route
  • [21:14:53] <thews> ion I have a few places bookmarked and some reviews comparing them all :D
  • [21:15:19] <SpeedEvil> It's not cheaper for single layer PCBs. If you make more than a couple. It is way easier.
  • [21:15:21] <dwery> I use itead regularly, pretty nice
  • [21:15:45] <SpeedEvil> For >1 layer - buy them - it's insane to make them - even if in principle you can do so.
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  • [21:16:24] <Borromini> sorry for the spam
  • [21:16:25] <thews> it's a lot cheaper to go 2 layer and use SMD than 1 layer making your own with DIP
  • [21:16:29] <Borromini> but MPD is working ^_^
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  • [21:16:33] <thews> if you buy many components at the same time anyhow
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  • [21:17:43] <thews> Borromini: nice :)
  • [21:17:58] <Borromini> :) thank you
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  • [21:18:11] <Borromini> i think i'll need the video out keep alive option to keep it going though
  • [21:18:28] <thews> Borromini: when my video sleeps the audio still goes through
  • [21:18:38] <Borromini> ok
  • [21:18:46] <thews> might depend on what you have it hooked to though
  • [21:18:53] <Borromini> here the connection gets dropped after like 10 minutes apparently
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  • [21:19:33] <thews> Borromini: let me know if you find a simple way to do EQ before sending the HDMI audio out
  • [21:19:48] <Borromini> you mean like replaygain?
  • [21:19:49] <thews> Borromini: my lapdock is tinny with no processing at all
  • [21:20:01] <Borromini> oh
  • [21:20:03] <Borromini> hmm :-/
  • [21:20:05] <Borromini> idk
  • [21:20:07] <thews> Borromini: is that a tool?
  • [21:20:24] <Borromini> no replaygain is a loudness countermeasure, so to speak
  • [21:20:28] <thews> I can change the volume, but I'd like to mess with the EQ a bit to make the reproduction flatter
  • [21:20:48] <Borromini> i know of no equaliser software, sorry
  • [21:20:54] <Borromini> maybe pulseaudio could do it?
  • [21:20:58] <Borromini> it can do a lot, apparently
  • [21:21:14] <thews> I might check that, I wasn't sure if anything would make it easy since I couldn't get any mixer controls from command line
  • [21:21:20] <_av500_> alsa can play audio
  • [21:21:24] <_av500_> audio can be filtered
  • [21:21:28] <_av500_> where is the issue?
  • [21:21:32] <thews> alsa says it has no controls
  • [21:21:34] <thews> for whatever reason
  • [21:21:35] <agent_fsh> Hi Borromni, was having issues with the debian EMMC flasher (didn't ever seem to boot. no user lights lit up). So I tried the ubuntu image. two of the lights (ones on the ends) are constant - was trying to see if it booted okay.
  • [21:21:37] <thews> on hdmi audio
  • [21:21:46] <agent_fsh> do you by any chance have any idea of ip?
  • [21:22:05] <_av500_> alsa not
  • [21:22:12] <_av500_> but what you can pipe into alsa
  • [21:22:13] <thews> agent_fsh: default is 192.168.7.2 if you using usb networking
  • [21:22:16] <Borromini> thews: i beleive the controls are mostly volume
  • [21:22:26] <Borromini> agent_fsh: ok
  • [21:22:27] <agent_fsh> thews: that for ubuntu on BBB too?
  • [21:22:29] <_av500_> alsa eq controls are from the age of soundcards
  • [21:22:33] <thews> agent_fsh: yes
  • [21:22:34] <_av500_> long gone
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  • [21:23:17] * thews hasn't worried about command line audio tools in a long time
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  • [21:23:36] <thews> and I didn't have a real need for it, just tinkering to see what I could get going that would be enjoyable
  • [21:24:00] <Borromini> thews: fyi, MPD uses 10% CPU
  • [21:24:14] <Borromini> buffer underruns galore though :(
  • [21:24:20] <thews> Borromini: that's good news, I think Pithos was just a fluke on how bad it ran
  • [21:24:32] <Borromini> agent_fsh: did you keep the power button pressed before you connected the power?
  • [21:24:35] <Borromini> with the emmc flashing image
  • [21:25:26] <agent_fsh> power button?
  • [21:25:33] <Borromini> yes
  • [21:25:39] <Borromini> there are tiny buttons on the board
  • [21:25:40] <_av500_> boot button
  • [21:25:41] <agent_fsh> umm, I pressed the boot img button when connected the power
  • [21:26:04] <agent_fsh> (one on the far end close to the mSD)
  • [21:26:22] <agent_fsh> should I press power (once closest to the ethernet port) instead?
  • [21:26:30] <agent_fsh> *one
  • [21:26:37] <Borromini> i thought that's the boot button but not sure
  • [21:26:44] <Borromini> one of them says power next to it i believe
  • [21:26:54] <agent_fsh> yeah
  • [21:26:59] <agent_fsh> the one next to eth is power
  • [21:27:06] <agent_fsh> should I hold power on flash?
  • [21:27:16] <Borromini> only during bootup i believe
  • [21:27:17] <thews> hmm
  • [21:27:32] <thews> Borromini: are you running off of sdcard?
  • [21:27:37] <Borromini> thews: no off emmc
  • [21:27:49] <thews> Borromini: ahh, I think I'm going to make an sd card image later on
  • [21:28:02] <thews> Borromini: I keep having to do stuff to clear out space
  • [21:28:08] <Borromini> ok
  • [21:28:18] <agent_fsh> Borromini: I was following the Angstrom flash instructions which IIRC said hold the boot button (one closest to the mSD card)
  • [21:28:24] <Borromini> i have 550 MB used
  • [21:28:26] <agent_fsh> I'll try holding power instead
  • [21:28:32] <Borromini> agent_fsh: sec
  • [21:28:35] <agent_fsh> np
  • [21:28:46] <thews> Borromini: I was building drivers and had to get all of the kernel stuff
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  • [21:29:31] <thews> Borromini: some of my debian stuff https://github.com/justinledwards/beaglebone-debian-scripts/blob/master/wireless-fix.sh https://gist.github.com/justinledwards/7363464
  • [21:30:13] <Borromini> thews: ok
  • [21:30:28] <Borromini> i stripped the debian image and added mpd and some handy stuff like tmux
  • [21:30:30] <Borromini> that's about it
  • [21:30:30] <thews> I think just getting the sources to build drivers takes up 800mb
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  • [21:31:00] <thews> then python 2.6 and python 2.7 for other stuff I was using + libs really took up a lot of space
  • [21:31:41] <thews> plus I think everything was faster on my sd card, it's one of the faster ones
  • [21:32:09] <Borromini> yeah it's huge
  • [21:32:14] <Borromini> agent_fsh: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
  • [21:32:20] <Borromini> it's your one-stop shop pretty much
  • [21:32:39] <Borromini> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black < this part has the instructions on how to flash to emmc
  • [21:33:31] <Borromini> apparently one needs to hold the boot switch
  • [21:33:55] <Borromini> i think mine just flashed from the sd card automatically though... i had a few power cycles in between
  • [21:34:47] <agent_fsh> yeah - I think I tried that. I'll try again.
  • [21:34:50] <agent_fsh> ta :)
  • [21:34:54] <Borromini> yw
  • [21:35:01] <Borromini> i didn't keep any buttons pressed during the last flash
  • [21:35:12] <Borromini> it takes about 6 minutes, at the end all four leds should burn steadily
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  • [21:36:12] <_av500_> do they burn down like candles?
  • [21:36:27] <_av500_> cna I leave them burning overnight?
  • [21:37:34] <Borromini> no native speaker here.
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  • [21:41:25] <Borromini> evening gents
  • [21:41:29] <Borromini> thanks for your help
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  • [21:51:45] <him> is there a reason production image 9.04.2013 for the BBB doesn't include source? and how do i get the source onto the BBB in regards to the limited flash storage?
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  • [21:56:23] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.12: http://git.io/I-ttMg
  • [21:56:23] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.12 a40f13e Robert Nelson: 3.12: update to v3.12.1...
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  • [22:00:41] <mranostay> carpman can help
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  • [22:20:00] <thews> does the angstrom distro use xfce ?
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  • [22:26:35] <thews> I wonder if using X over ssh uses any remote acceleration
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  • [22:27:42] <thews> yep
  • [22:27:50] <thews> opengl-glx-x11
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  • [22:33:05] <thews> LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1
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  • [22:39:14] <jonpry> LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT is fun
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  • [22:41:04] <thews> haven't had a chance to test it yet, but will soon, i'll be impressed if I can reduce the compression / crypto on ssh and get streaming video smooth
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  • [22:42:36] <jonpry> There is nothing smooth about anything i got out of it. But mine is stuck at 300mhz
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  • [23:35:54] <Axel__> Hi
  • [23:36:07] <Axel__> i brand new in beaglebone black
  • [23:36:12] <Axel__> and im using bone script
  • [23:36:26] <Axel__> some times cloud 9 IDE
  • [23:36:30] <Axel__> THE IDE IM USING
  • [23:36:38] <Axel__> dont work anymore
  • [23:36:52] <Axel__> and i need to load the default program again
  • [23:37:00] <Axel__> in order to get it to work
  • [23:37:11] <Axel__> after charging the program
  • [23:37:17] <Axel__> why?
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  • [23:39:07] <thews> might see if cloud9 has logs and check em
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  • [23:44:59] <ds2> new storm is rolling in?
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