• [00:00:01] <Russ> do you really need suspend/resume to work when your memory is interfaced through an fpga?
  • [00:00:26] <ds2> yes
  • [00:00:40] <ds2> (for other 'reasons')
  • [00:00:45] <Russ> then yes, you'd need to modify the m3 code to support that
  • [00:00:59] <Russ> m3 code isn't too hard to modify/compile these days
  • [00:01:04] <ds2> the memory need not be DDR, it can be a gigantic array of FRAM or SRAM
  • [00:01:14] <ds2> hmmm
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  • [00:01:27] <Russ> can the gpmc insert wait states?
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  • [00:01:57] <ds2> I think so... esp. if you can put NOR on there
  • [00:02:10] <Russ> that'd be really important
  • [00:02:52] <Russ> also, with the emif ip block, it gets information about they types of accesses that occurring so it can optimize
  • [00:03:08] <Russ> I suppose with an fpga you can just guess
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  • [00:03:35] <ds2> maybe FPGA introduces too many things...let's just say a large bank of SRAM
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  • [00:04:07] <Russ> I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work, but then I don't know much about the gpmc
  • [00:04:25] <ds2> since 6L is a DDR issue.... a SRAM only system might be doable with 4L
  • [00:04:58] <Russ> are you sure that ddr can't be done in 4l?
  • [00:05:17] <ds2> I have yet to find an appnote that suggests otherwise
  • [00:05:35] <ds2> even the TI notes on Via channel says something to that effect
  • [00:05:56] <Russ> ddr2 doesn't have that many pins
  • [00:06:02] <Russ> why not try and found out if there are routing issues
  • [00:06:46] <ds2> the notes I am looking at cover LPDDR1, and DDR
  • [00:06:57] <Russ> ddr2 has odt which gives advantages
  • [00:07:02] <ds2> but it might come down to that you cannot cover the full signal quality requirements
  • [00:07:10] <ds2> thought ODT is a DDR3 thing?
  • [00:07:14] <Russ> drm
  • [00:07:16] <Russ> er, hrm
  • [00:07:31] <Russ> no, ddr2 has odt
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  • [00:08:08] <Russ> the point-to-point ddr2 micron doc would be a good start if you haven't read it
  • [00:08:56] <ds2> think I have read that
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  • [00:09:36] <Russ> ddr2 chips are designed to be attached to 4 layer dimms
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  • [01:22:54] <Target> So, just found beaglebone, what is the typical way to get video output?
  • [01:24:16] <thurgood> depends... plug in a mini hdmi adapter would be the easiest
  • [01:24:29] <thurgood> but that's limited to 16 bits afaik
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  • [01:26:27] <Target> Thanks this is worth looking into
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  • [02:35:07] <riskable> Currently 2 running tasks (3090 of 4901)
  • [02:35:21] <riskable> cloud9-image doesn't really get smaller now does it? hehe
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  • [02:38:07] <fhunting_proceed> http://elinux.org/Building_BBB_Kernel says that i need a USB to serial cable to build a custom kernel...is there any way around this requirement?
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  • [02:38:34] <riskable> fhunting_proceed: Whaaat? No
  • [02:38:43] <riskable> You don't need a custom serial cable.
  • [02:38:56] <riskable> To build a custom kernel you just need a lot of patience and preferably a fast computer! haha
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  • [02:39:35] <riskable> The serial cable just helps you troubleshoot
  • [02:39:55] <fhunting_proceed> gah okay, just started reading that doc page and it says it's a requirement
  • [02:39:58] <fhunting_proceed> appreciate it
  • [02:40:29] <riskable> Well, if you power up your BBB and get... Nothing. Well, you screwed up and how are you going to know how unless you have that serial console connection?
  • [02:40:54] <riskable> Admittedly, that is a super rare occurrence (unless you were screwing around with voltages higher than you're supposed to =)
  • [02:41:05] <riskable> If your kernel compiles it will probably boot
  • [02:41:21] <riskable> I'm guessing you just want to add in some extra drivers or something, yeah? If that's the case don't worry about it
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  • [02:41:32] <fhunting_proceed> yeahp
  • [02:41:51] <riskable> Yeah, screwing that up just means your driver won't work--not that you won't be able to boot
  • [02:42:11] <fhunting_proceed> i have two extra bbb's laying around that i can try again with if i really screw something up anyways :)
  • [02:42:27] <riskable> fhunting_proceed: Well that's just asking for trouble! haha
  • [02:42:34] <riskable> I have just *the one* so I'm extra careful
  • [02:42:50] <riskable> Of course, I *used* to have TWO but I wasn't extra careful with one ;D
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  • [02:43:07] <fhunting_proceed> harhar :p
  • [02:43:09] <riskable> I got the magic blue smoke & everything!
  • [02:44:01] <riskable> I was just plain sloppy with my jumpers and accidentally brushed one against the wrong side of a very bright LED as I was moving it out of the way
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  • [02:44:18] <riskable> (the bare metal brushed the bare metal of the LED lead)
  • [02:44:34] <riskable> Forgot it was still plugged in on the other side
  • [02:44:44] <riskable> ...directly to the BB
  • [02:44:54] <riskable> POOF! Magic blue smoke
  • [02:44:56] <fhunting_proceed> :(
  • [02:45:13] <fhunting_proceed> had a friend blow a chip on a breakout for an ADC the other day, it literally caught on fire and he had to blow it out
  • [02:45:20] <riskable> ...and I was like, "Oh, so that's what that looks like. <very long sigh and maybe a tear too hehe>"
  • [02:45:26] <fhunting_proceed> he shorted 5v and gnd >.<
  • [02:45:49] <riskable> Yeah that'll do it
  • [02:46:07] <riskable> At least the BB boards are cheap ($90 at the time). They're cheaper/faster now of course with the BBB
  • [02:46:29] <riskable> ...and by "cheap" I mean, "in comparison to other, similarly-capable hardware at the time"
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  • [02:46:53] <riskable> Magic blue smoke coming from a $1200 dev board is a lot more painful than it coming from a $90 BB
  • [02:46:57] <fhunting_proceed> yeah
  • [02:47:23] <fhunting_proceed> brb switching to another os
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  • [02:47:56] <riskable> You know, these days all my "hard to solve" problems are physical engineering. It's like the electronics don't even require much thought at this point. It's all just a matter of "How do I want to do it *today*?" haha
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  • [03:05:49] <prpplague> riskable: try smoking a $25k dev board
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  • [03:40:28] <N2TOH> http://www.datasheet.in/datasheet-html/D/P/8/DP83861_NationalSemiconductor.pdf.html
  • [03:40:47] <N2TOH> for anybody considering a 1000Bast-T ethernet interface for their BBB
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  • [03:43:10] <jonpry> i don't think AM35xx has RGMII
  • [03:44:27] <N2TOH> there is always ASM code for the PRU cores
  • [03:50:34] <jonpry> i guess it does support rgmii
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  • [03:57:23] <jonpry> meh but not on expansion pins
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  • [04:07:36] <pi1> .
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  • [05:06:34] <beagle13> Is that possible to connect to wlan and etho automatically while system boot up in Beaglebone
  • [05:07:16] <beagle13> or just only one means is available at boot up
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  • [05:42:36] <dm8tbr> beagle13: look into connman documentation. Or, ditch connman and set it up through a custom script
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  • [06:00:10] <pi1> I'm looking for a Ubuntu 13.04 or 13.10 (if it's stable enough) eMMC flasher. The links on eLinux.org seem dead or wrong. Does anyone know where i can get this and/or a SD card image?
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  • [06:02:35] <Ferris> http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ @ pi1
  • [06:04:52] <pi1> Ferris: thank you I'll take a look.
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  • [06:06:41] <prasanna> beaglebone rev a6 is not connecting to jtag using ccsv5 in windows
  • [06:06:48] <pi1> The links on eLinux seem to point to debian wheezy, but also mentions Ubuntu at times. I know Ubuntu is Debian, but it's still confusing.
  • [06:06:50] <prasanna> can u guys help me to sort it out?
  • [06:07:43] <Ferris> yeah I was a little confused by that too, pi1
  • [06:08:04] <Ferris> I ended up gong with debian since I'm new at linux and probably wouldn't know the difference
  • [06:09:17] <Ferris> i don't know of any others that have canonical repos
  • [06:10:09] <dm8tbr> prasanna: why do you even need jtag?
  • [06:10:37] <pi1> I wouldn't mind debian either..it's really quite similar as far as I can tell. I don't like Unity, so any Ubuntu I get will need a facelift to xfce.
  • [06:11:13] <prasanna> dm8tbr: this is my customer requirement..
  • [06:11:18] <pi1> Whichever one has alot of packages and activity would be best
  • [06:11:43] <Ferris> Unity is pretty resource heavy, if i'm not mistaken. not great for bbb, in any case
  • [06:12:05] <Ferris> i'm running headless so it doesn't really matter, disabled all desktop evnrionments
  • [06:12:19] <dm8tbr> prasanna: most people here don't use jtag, you might get more help on TI e2e
  • [06:13:09] <pi1> is XBMC working on the BBB yet?
  • [06:13:31] <fhunting_proceed> about how large should the image generated from building the angstrom kernel be? mine is ~4MB, seems pretty small.
  • [06:13:45] <dm8tbr> pi1: it doesn't have hardware accelerated decoding, so it's not really ideal for xbmc
  • [06:14:00] <pi1> aww that's a shame
  • [06:14:22] <dm8tbr> it's not an set-top-box or mobile phone chip
  • [06:14:27] <dm8tbr> it's an industrial chip
  • [06:15:02] <dm8tbr> that said, it might just work, but YMMV
  • [06:15:27] <pi1> I saw mention of a project for it on the beagle website...but it doesn't say much.
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  • [06:15:44] <pi1> it says theyre working to get it working with opengl es 2.0
  • [06:15:58] <dm8tbr> which only does 3D graphics
  • [06:16:22] <pi1> you sure?
  • [06:17:01] <dm8tbr> about what?
  • [06:17:12] <pi1> only doing 3d
  • [06:17:15] <dm8tbr> yes
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  • [06:24:10] <thurgood> you can accelerate some 2d with gles, but you won't get a large resolution, or hardware decoding of video from that
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  • [06:26:31] <thurgood> large = larger
  • [06:27:31] <pi1> yeah..im just reading that the bbb can't do 1080p with audio now.
  • [06:27:45] <pi1> this is dissappointing
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  • [06:30:10] <thurgood> if you r requirements are 1080p you really should look into a different dev board, if 1080p and price are you r main consideration look into the r:pi
  • [06:30:30] <thurgood> ugggh, your not you r
  • [06:30:47] <pi1> yeah I have a Pi...I just assumed the capabilities would be somewhat similar
  • [06:31:10] <thurgood> they are ... /somewhat/ similar
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  • [06:32:28] <thurgood> r:pi delivers more pixels, bbb beats it out in a extensibility, but they're fairly different systems
  • [06:33:27] <thurgood> I wouldn't really call the r:pi a dev board, due to it's closed nature... but it has it's place
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  • [06:42:44] <dm8tbr> the rpi is based on a set-top-box chip, so yes, running set-top-box software (XBMC) on it is going to work good.
  • [06:42:55] <dm8tbr> also that's about the only thing it will do reasonably well
  • [06:46:36] <pi1> Yeah the Pi has already become a fixed part of the A/V setup now, but i hoped to have similar abilities with the BBB, and have something I can take with me.
  • [06:49:33] <_av500_> you can take a rpi with you
  • [06:50:06] <_av500_> or even a monbile phone
  • [06:50:12] <_av500_> these do 1080p these days
  • [06:50:36] <pi1> i thought everything does 1080 these days
  • [06:52:25] <dm8tbr> it's the new SD/composite
  • [06:53:12] <thurgood> just in time for 4k
  • [06:53:36] <dm8tbr> aka the new HD
  • [06:53:56] <dm8tbr> just that mktg won't call it that, because they still push 1080p as fullhd
  • [06:56:00] <pi1> ok then..not going to be a set top box...what should I do with this thing?
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  • [07:14:54] <Ferris> You could set up a small server for webhosting and other stuff
  • [07:15:06] <Ferris> This bouncer is running on a bbb
  • [07:16:25] <Ferris> Media Wiki doesn't run too poorly, either
  • [07:17:07] <Ferris> all @ pi1
  • [07:18:58] <Ferris> I don't really know if you're interested in any of that stuff
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  • [07:27:07] <pi1> I've dabbled a bit but no real need for a web server atm. My Pi is taking care of WINS and master browser.
  • [07:27:57] <pi1> How hard would it be to adapt some old lego mindstorm stuff to the bbb?
  • [07:29:06] <Vaizki> stuff as in sensors, motors etc?
  • [07:29:12] <Ferris> I think there are projects already going with that exact thing in mind
  • [07:29:13] <pi1> yes
  • [07:29:43] <Vaizki> should be dead simple, I think they're all i2c
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  • [07:31:24] <Vaizki> well ok if you don't want to mutilate your midstorms kit you have to build some cable adapters and apparently find 82k resistors
  • [07:31:27] <pi1> the "rcx" had pretty limited IO, and the lego brand software was also pretty limited..there were other ways to program it but still...3 ins and 3 outs
  • [07:32:28] <pi1> i know the motors are 9v..i dont know about the sensors...but its also the old mindstorms stuff from @ 2000
  • [07:32:46] <pi1> not the newer NXT stuff
  • [07:33:04] <Vaizki> but let's see what do I use my BBBs for.. one is a router, dns server, web cam frame grabber, sensor measurement and heating remote control unit all in one
  • [07:33:18] <Vaizki> another one monitors the heating and electricity in my home
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  • [07:34:06] <Vaizki> one I use at work to talk to i2c devices in some prototype hardware
  • [07:36:45] <Vaizki> I have 5 RasPis and 3 BBBs then, and tbh the RasPi feels like a toy compared to BBB.. yes it has good multimedia capability but I more often need a solid USB and Ethernet
  • [07:37:17] <pi1> doesnt the pi have equally solid usb and ethernet?
  • [07:37:23] <Vaizki> loads of community support for the RasPi though and that's a big plus for most people
  • [07:38:20] <Vaizki> first of all the ethernet in the RasPi is attached to the USB
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  • [07:38:45] <Vaizki> and last time I used my Pis the USB drivers were flaky
  • [07:38:51] <Vaizki> could be that they fixed them
  • [07:38:55] <pi1> were talking the rev B wuith wired ethernet?
  • [07:39:04] <Vaizki> but I would see stuff like keyboard losing keystrokes when downloading stuff
  • [07:39:05] <pi1> with*
  • [07:39:08] <Vaizki> yes
  • [07:39:31] <through_sorsemer> i have successfully created a linux kernel image using the guide found at (http://elinux.org/Building_BBB_Kernel). how do i create an image now to flash my BBB? i am currently looking at http://cwraig.id.au/?p=507 but several of the steps do not make sense to me (u-boot.img, rootfs). any help is appreciated.
  • [07:39:41] <vvu|Log> i remember when i used my rpi with high network load and usb data transfer it just crashed the kernel, since then no more rpi for me
  • [07:40:14] <Vaizki> the BBB has the Ethernet on the SoC
  • [07:40:30] <Vaizki> and it has been rock solid for me
  • [07:40:40] <vvu|Log> i know that for the 1st rev of rpi ethernet and usb are on the same bus and that is why it crashed
  • [07:40:45] <dm8tbr> vvu|Log: from what I hear usb sucks even more on rpi, yes
  • [07:40:55] <Vaizki> many of the subtle differences in favor of the BBB cannot really be appreciated on a superficial level
  • [07:40:56] <thurgood> through_sorsemer: what specifically don't you understand?
  • [07:40:58] <vvu|Log> dunno if they did some fixing
  • [07:41:36] <dm8tbr> through_sorsemer: if all you are after is the kernel, just replace/add that
  • [07:41:44] <Vaizki> like the boot process... working with a real cpu booting things is a bit less head-exploding than the RasPi GPU boot :)
  • [07:42:16] <pi1> gpu boot?
  • [07:42:50] <Vaizki> yes, on the RasPi the GPU is the first thing that wakes up, loads binary magic blobs from the SD card and then kicks off the cpu
  • [07:43:01] <through_sorsemer> thurgood: `cp u-boot.img /mnt/boot/` - not sure where they're getting u-boot.img from.
  • [07:43:05] <pi1> interesting
  • [07:43:14] <Vaizki> as said, the raspi is based on a settop box chip
  • [07:43:21] <through_sorsemer> dm8tbr: how would i go about doing that?
  • [07:43:39] <thurgood> through are you creating a fresh image, or just updating the kernel?
  • [07:43:54] <dm8tbr> through_sorsemer: wasn't the complete kernel workflow for angstrom explained in some blog posts?
  • [07:43:57] <Vaizki> pi1, but you can't argue with the price :)
  • [07:44:13] <through_sorsemer> thurgood: i created a fresh image using the latest 3.8 branch on github
  • [07:44:19] <pi1> true...both are pretty affordable really
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  • [07:44:53] <through_sorsemer> dm8tbr: it might have been - would it be on one of the angstrom-distribution pages that's currently down?
  • [07:45:00] <dm8tbr> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kRbXRsigxo0J:www.angstrom-distribution.org/some-usefull-workflow-blogs
  • [07:45:20] <Vaizki> pi1, it's just my feeling that the BBB is a bit better on everything else except 2 things. The HDMI output (720p with sound only on the BBB) and lack of analog audio. so media center things.
  • [07:45:27] <pi1> ive just been fairly impressed with th pi and its ability to stream video over samba on the tv while im logged into a full desktop via putty tinkering withthings.
  • [07:45:57] <dm8tbr> Vaizki: you can sort of get 1080p. IIRC only at 24 full frames or such.
  • [07:46:00] <Vaizki> oh and Pi is better on price and community support as said before
  • [07:46:09] <Vaizki> dm8tbr: yes but without sound
  • [07:46:11] <dm8tbr> but yes, point stands, it's not a media SoC
  • [07:46:23] <dm8tbr> yup
  • [07:46:28] <thurgood> 24fps... doesn't even work on most digital monitors does it?
  • [07:46:43] <Vaizki> works on any reasonable tv nowadaus
  • [07:46:44] <pi1> you can add a usb dac with analog out for about $9 i think
  • [07:46:56] <Vaizki> pi1, sure. and that's another thing. BBB has only one usb port.
  • [07:47:02] <Vaizki> forgot about that, it's a pain.
  • [07:47:28] <Vaizki> ok, one type A usb host port.
  • [07:47:33] <dm8tbr> well two usb ports. both are MUSB so can do either IIRC
  • [07:47:38] <pi1> the Pi might have 2 USB..but neither of them carry enough power to use anything other than a self powered USB hub
  • [07:47:59] <dm8tbr> also, usb hubs are cheap
  • [07:48:01] <Vaizki> yea and the 2 USB are hubbed inside the RasPi already
  • [07:48:08] <Vaizki> dm8tbr: yes but they're not small
  • [07:48:21] <Vaizki> and they are not even closely as well made as the BBBB
  • [07:48:38] <dm8tbr> I have one that's 1/4th the size of the BBB and can be powered externally
  • [07:48:41] <dm8tbr> 4 ports
  • [07:48:57] <pi1> the little belkin huh
  • [07:49:21] <dm8tbr> some intel giveaway thingy. so cheap promo crap. but the PCB is nice and small
  • [07:49:24] <dm8tbr> usb2
  • [07:49:38] * dm8tbr ripped it apart immediately
  • [07:49:44] <thurgood> lol
  • [07:51:03] <Vaizki> also I have one bricked Pi and zero bricked BBBs
  • [07:51:19] <pi1> ooh how did you brick a pi?
  • [07:51:28] <Ferris> I dunno who mentioned Mindstorms + BBB, but there's a cape for that
  • [07:51:40] <pi1> oh is there?
  • [07:51:41] <thurgood> it is pretty hard to brick a beagle without physical damage of some sort
  • [07:52:04] <Vaizki> pi1: well it was basically doing its stuff in my boiler room, measuring temperatures etc and then it died
  • [07:52:12] <Ferris> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Motor_w/_NXT_Connectors pi1
  • [07:52:34] <pi1> hmm yeah my old stuff isnt of the NXT sort
  • [07:52:40] <Vaizki> could be of course that it was killed by some spike from my one wire bus stuff etc
  • [07:52:48] <pi1> connectors will be different at least
  • [07:52:53] <Vaizki> but I replaced it with a BBB and that's been fine since
  • [07:53:07] <pi1> well..in a boiler room might have somethign to do with it
  • [07:53:34] <pi1> or is it a well ventilated boiler room
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  • [07:54:11] <thurgood> or is that a euphamism for basement?
  • [07:54:20] <Vaizki> maybe. it's about 30??C in there. BBB SoC is rated -40 .. 90 so that's fine, and I'd guess all the other bits on the board are good until +50??C at least
  • [07:54:28] <Vaizki> no it's a real boiler room
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  • [07:54:34] <thurgood> cool :P
  • [07:54:43] <Vaizki> I burn oil to heat my house
  • [07:54:50] <Vaizki> not really cool but :)
  • [07:56:08] <Vaizki> I made some simple stats for it, http://vaizki.fi/koti/
  • [07:56:14] <Vaizki> sorry 'bout the finnish ;)
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  • [07:57:17] <pi1> thats very cool
  • [07:57:32] <Vaizki> so that's +4.4 for outside temp, +58 for the boiler water, +35 for the water circulating in radiators, +61 for the hot tap water, 30% opening of the control valve for hot/cold water mixing etc
  • [07:57:54] <Vaizki> the dead zone in the graphs is because I went to a 3.12 kernel and my 1wire stuff stopped working
  • [07:58:11] <thurgood> eep
  • [07:58:39] <thurgood> hope it was just monitoring, not regulating
  • [07:58:42] <Vaizki> mostly because device tree overlays changed and haven't had time to change
  • [07:58:59] <Vaizki> I regulate with real time.. always... :P
  • [07:59:35] <Vaizki> I'd rather use an arduino to regulate something than an arm board running normal pre-emptive linux
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  • [07:59:53] <thurgood> fair enough
  • [08:00:19] <Vaizki> then again, BBB has 2x PRUs which could be used for realtime control
  • [08:00:53] <Vaizki> but since I'm not building for volume production, only for fun, it doesn't make sense to port working stuff
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  • [08:06:08] <Rotti> hi!
  • [08:06:22] <Vaizki> hello!
  • [08:06:37] <Vaizki> extra points for IPv6 there
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  • [08:07:47] <Rotti> yay :)
  • [08:08:22] <pi1> yeah remember when you could remember an IP address
  • [08:09:01] <Rotti> so much time has passed... those were wonderful days
  • [08:09:27] * av500 thinks back to IPv2
  • [08:10:01] <pi1> i'm trying to...
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  • [08:11:02] <pi1> Vaizki: Chrome's google translate feature is having a conniption fit with your website
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  • [08:23:20] <vijay_> hii
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  • [08:26:06] <vijay_> Can any one tell me how boot the board from sd card
  • [08:26:34] <pi1> hold the button nearest the sd card while you power on
  • [08:26:37] <vijay_> Actually I want to build the u boot my self
  • [08:26:43] <vijay_> and load it
  • [08:27:07] <vijay_> pi1 you are correct
  • [08:27:32] <vijay_> but I dont want to boot the entire kernel i just want to boot U boot it self
  • [08:27:45] <vijay_> I want to stop after U boot prompt
  • [08:27:59] <pi1> that i dont know
  • [08:28:09] <vijay_> Can any one please
  • [08:28:49] <LetoThe2nd> just remove the kernel from the card (easiest, but dirtiest)
  • [08:28:50] <vijay_> pi1 can you tell me how you made the image in u r case
  • [08:29:16] <LetoThe2nd> correct way: fixu the uboot scripts so that they do not autoboot anymore.
  • [08:29:22] <woglinde> vijay_ its called break and its old
  • [08:29:35] <woglinde> and you need a serial console of course
  • [08:29:54] <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: what, you mean i cannot VNC into uboot?
  • [08:30:09] <woglinde> LetoThe2nd x2x
  • [08:30:25] <vijay_> yeah thats correct my main intention is to under stand the u boot code flow
  • [08:30:27] <pi1> vijay: the best I could do was the info about the button I'm afraid
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  • [08:30:51] <vijay_> and i want to change the u boot code
  • [08:30:56] <woglinde> lol
  • [08:31:06] <woglinde> vijay_ you have a long way before you
  • [08:31:09] <woglinde> and wrong channel
  • [08:31:14] <LetoThe2nd> well for someone changing the uboot code, it should be easy to disable autoboot.
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  • [08:31:24] <vijay_> ok
  • [08:31:31] <LetoThe2nd> its not even a recompile there, just a config file...
  • [08:31:34] <vijay_> and next
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  • [08:33:23] <vijay_> when i write the u boot to the sd card the start up code is not booting from the sd card even i press the button
  • [08:33:42] <vijay_> Can some one please point out how to do this
  • [08:33:44] <vijay_> ?
  • [08:34:16] <LetoThe2nd> because its uboot (or more precisely a uboot script) that reads the button. so uboot is running already then. for uboot hacking, you need to change the ROM
  • [08:34:39] <LetoThe2nd> but again, all that is easy to see, when looking at the serial boot output....
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  • [08:36:46] <vijay_> so from your understanding there is no otherwway to hack the u boot LetoThe2nd
  • [08:37:02] <LetoThe2nd> what has that to do with my understanding?
  • [08:37:22] <LetoThe2nd> and of course there are other ways, they are all documented in the SRM and TRM.
  • [08:37:41] <LetoThe2nd> buzzword: the sysboot pins and their configuration resistors.
  • [08:37:50] <vijay_> what are SRM and TRM
  • [08:37:53] <vijay_> pls??
  • [08:38:04] <LetoThe2nd> vijay_: ask google.
  • [08:38:10] <vijay_> ok
  • [08:38:24] <LetoThe2nd> vijay_: if you want to do uboot code, you should be able to find that out by yourself.
  • [08:38:46] <LetoThe2nd> vijay_: if you are unable to find out what the BBB SRM and TRM are, forget uboot.
  • [08:39:05] <vijay_> ohh
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  • [08:40:49] <vijay_> I already gone through them
  • [08:41:00] <vijay_> Mr LetoThe2nd
  • [08:41:21] <vijay_> But I am facing problem in booting for sd
  • [08:41:34] <LetoThe2nd> no, you are facing the problem of not listening and reading.
  • [08:41:36] <vijay_> I can boot the linux ,but not the u boot
  • [08:42:14] <vijay_> I am finding the way to boot u boot from my sd card
  • [08:42:23] <vijay_> not from the ROM
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  • [08:42:56] <LetoThe2nd> *sigh*
  • [08:42:58] <av500> 1) compile uboot and MLO
  • [08:43:03] <av500> 2) place both on sdcard
  • [08:43:11] <av500> 3) boot with "boot" button pressed
  • [08:43:15] <av500> 4) profit
  • [08:43:29] <av500> 0) buy serial cable so you see what you are doing
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  • [08:43:42] <av500> 0.5) kill MLO on EMMC to make sure it does not boot from there
  • [08:43:44] <vijay_> yes i have serial cable
  • [08:43:44] * LetoThe2nd is back to work, everything necessary has already been said.
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  • [08:45:31] <vijay_> av500 Can you tell me whether do i need to write the both files to sd card onto ant file system
  • [08:45:44] <vijay_> or do i need to write them using dd command
  • [08:45:46] <av500> yes, you need MLO and uboot
  • [08:46:00] <av500> written to the boot partition
  • [08:46:03] <av500> which is FAT
  • [08:46:36] <Vaizki> and you have to copy MLO there first, to a virgin filesystem
  • [08:46:38] <vijay_> FAT is only understand by u boot code right
  • [08:46:53] <Vaizki> otherwise MLO will not land in the right sectors for the boot rom to find
  • [08:47:04] <Vaizki> umm blocks.. something
  • [08:47:05] <Vaizki> ;)
  • [08:47:21] <av500> Vaizki: nonsense
  • [08:48:08] <Vaizki> hmmh?
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  • [08:48:20] <Vaizki> maybe I remember another board/soc then
  • [08:48:20] <av500> [09:45] <Vaizki> and you have to copy MLO there first, to a virgin filesystem
  • [08:48:52] <av500> there have been issues when MLO would not find uboot in the beginning
  • [08:48:53] <av500> on omap3
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  • [08:48:55] <av500> years ago
  • [08:49:00] <av500> because of a bug in MLO
  • [08:50:01] <Vaizki> so the boot code in the SoC is fully FAT-aware and can trawl the directory listing to find MLO=
  • [08:50:09] <av500> yes
  • [08:50:19] <Vaizki> that's nice. I stand corrected.
  • [08:50:32] <av500> maybe it fails with 65k entries in the root folder
  • [08:50:35] <Vaizki> :D
  • [08:50:40] <av500> but normally copying MLO just works
  • [08:50:56] <Vaizki> ok I've always mkfs'd it before copying..
  • [08:51:03] <Vaizki> silly me
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  • [08:53:59] <Vaizki> now this is bothering me.. must've been another board
  • [08:54:16] <av500> as said, this was cargo culted around omap3/4/amm335
  • [08:54:47] <av500> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/ro5k5r4Cuq4/-5OsO_jKMnIJ
  • [08:54:56] <woglinde> cargo cult rules
  • [08:55:06] <woglinde> I need to make money out of it
  • [08:55:19] <av500> woglinde: sell BBB sdcards on ebay
  • [08:55:31] <av500> "100% guaranteed boot"
  • [08:55:31] <woglinde> hm
  • [08:58:13] <vijay_> how can I overwrite the u boot code in ROM
  • [08:58:47] <av500> boot
  • [08:58:52] <av500> find the boot partition
  • [08:58:55] <av500> delete MLO
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  • [09:01:40] <vijay_> ok
  • [09:01:51] <vijay_> will try it
  • [09:03:14] <av500> do or do not, there is no try
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  • [09:06:31] <vvu|Log> av500: remember in which kernel version was the OTG BBB bug fixed ? 3.4.1 maybe ?
  • [09:06:54] <through_sorsemer> how do i generate the necessary rootfs tarball needed for flashing a new image onto the BBB if I am using the latest 3.8 branch on github?
  • [09:09:19] <woglinde> through_sorsemer what kernel or image?
  • [09:09:43] <through_sorsemer> angstrom
  • [09:10:09] <woglinde> no
  • [09:10:23] <woglinde> you are confused
  • [09:10:31] <woglinde> 3.8 is kernel version not angstroem
  • [09:10:51] <woglinde> so your question is maybee how do I get my selfcompiled kernel onto the sdcard
  • [09:10:58] <through_sorsemer> right :)
  • [09:11:22] <woglinde> copy uImage to the sdcard
  • [09:11:56] <through_sorsemer> i've done that, to a boot/ dir
  • [09:12:38] <woglinde> use make modules_install INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/mountpoint_of_the_second_partion_on_sdcard/
  • [09:13:12] <woglinde> be sure you are using ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=prefix too
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  • [09:18:07] <through_sorsemer> alright that's working away. then in my boot/ folder i currently have MLO, u-boot.img, uImage, uEnv.txt, am335x-bone.dtb. does that sound right?
  • [09:19:12] <woglinde> yes
  • [09:19:26] <woglinde> when your uenv.txt is setup correctly
  • [09:19:47] <woglinde> look it up from where u-boot loads the kernel
  • [09:20:02] <through_sorsemer> i pulled it from the readme of the github 3.8 branch
  • [09:20:33] <woglinde> does not mean its right for your setup
  • [09:20:44] <woglinde> u-boot can load from the second partition too
  • [09:23:18] <through_sorsemer> hmm, so how would i verify that it's specified properly in reference to u-boot
  • [09:27:09] <woglinde> check your uEnv.txt
  • [09:27:36] <woglinde> or pastebin it
  • [09:28:41] <through_sorsemer> http://pastebin.com/c8j2t858
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  • [09:30:13] <woglinde> through_sorsemer looks like your uEnv.txt boots from sdcard
  • [09:30:16] <woglinde> aeh emmc
  • [09:31:10] <through_sorsemer> which i believe is what i want it to do
  • [09:31:49] <woglinde> think twice
  • [09:32:18] <woglinde> adn think what your goal is
  • [09:33:00] <vvu|Log> through_sorsemer: after you BBB boots just scp your uImage to /boot/ on the emmc
  • [09:33:04] <vvu|Log> and reboot
  • [09:33:51] <woglinde> vvu|Log and the modules goes automagicly there?
  • [09:34:11] <vvu|Log> mhmh never did modules magic
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  • [09:34:31] <woglinde> you are compiling all drivers in?
  • [09:34:43] <vvu|Log> from my experiemnts i just copied the kernel, yep drivers in
  • [09:34:46] <vvu|Log> what i needed
  • [09:35:40] <through_sorsemer> woglinde my original goal was to install the newest kernel onto the board
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  • [09:37:35] <woglinde> through_sorsemer sd-card or emmc?
  • [09:37:40] <vvu|Log> woglinde: i think if you follow the guide which is on the git repo for making the kernel you do not need the modules, at least i did it that way
  • [09:37:55] <vvu|Log> don't take my word for granted, just a thought
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  • [09:38:22] <through_sorsemer> emmc, the sd card isn't mine :|
  • [09:39:49] <woglinde> through_sorsemer than try scp it as vvu|Log described it
  • [09:40:25] <woglinde> if it does not boot you maybee need to update u-boot too
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  • [09:50:55] <through_sorsemer> yeahhh the cpu led light is on constantly now and there's no heartbeat
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  • [09:53:25] <through_sorsemer> is there a reason why my sdcard with boot/ consisting of MLO, u-boot.img, uImage, uEnv.txt, am335x-bone.dtb and Angstrom/ consisting of lib/ would not flash emmc when i hold down the boot button? None of the leds even light besides power :|
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  • [09:58:47] <jjc> Does it boot without the SD card?
  • [09:59:09] <jjc> through_sorsemer:
  • [09:59:35] <through_sorsemer> jjc yes
  • [10:01:49] <jjc> through_sorsemer: does it flash the standard angstrom image from beagleboard.org?
  • [10:01:57] <jjc> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [10:04:03] <through_sorsemer> jjc i don't currently have an sd card with that on it, but i don't know why it wouldnt. it did a week ago
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  • [10:06:12] <jeremyb_> hi everybody, i'm new here, i'm just trying to register a new project (diyforfree.blogspot.fr/2013/11/beaglebone-black-manager.html) on the project website, but after filling each field and send the form, i got the following error: "Unhandled Macro: this.edit_skin". Did any of you got the same issue ?
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  • [10:15:19] <through_sorsemer> woglinde: thanks for your help. time to get a nap in before class in the morning
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  • [10:24:53] <woglinde> jeremyb_ ugly swing interface
  • [10:25:24] <woglinde> hopefully we can use openjfx soon
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  • [10:50:00] <jeremyb_> woglinde yes i agree with you, screenshots have not been updated since the released version .
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  • [11:28:16] <PeterJW> Hi all. I write the DTO cape-bone-iio to my capemgr.8 to enable Analog Inputs on my BBB, But the path to the AINx Pins is not exactly the same after reboot and writing the DTO again. The path is /sys/devices/ocp.2/helper.14/AINx, but sometimes it's helper.11, sometimes helper.18 ...
  • [11:29:26] <PeterJW> Is this correct? My problem is, that i want to use the Pins in a program and don't want to implement a logic, that has to determine the path at every program start again and again
  • [11:30:03] <Rotti> sometimes opening /sys/devices/ocp.2/helper.*/AINx works... but maybe it is by your shell
  • [11:31:01] <PeterJW> Does this syntax with * work into C/C++ code?
  • [11:31:08] <Rotti> don't know
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  • [11:31:48] <Rotti> you could try a loop which tries to open every file and break when it succeeded
  • [11:32:12] <PeterJW> I will have a short try using the * syntax in c++
  • [11:33:03] <Rotti> $ DIR=`ls /sys/devices/ocp.*` ./yourprogram... and use getenv("DIR")
  • [11:33:18] <Rotti> (a 'bit' ugly, i admit
  • [11:33:20] <Rotti> )
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  • [11:37:58] <PeterJW> Okay, I can try this. C++ cannot handle 'helper.*'
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  • [11:42:47] <Quinto> hi... where are in Linux driver information file for a device plugged on USB? for example i plugged usb device and with lsusb i view Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0403:6001 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232 USB-Serial (UART ) IC where is this string: Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232 USB-Serial (UART ) IC... in which file is?
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  • [11:43:19] <Quinto> in /sys/devices/ocp.3/47400000.usb/musb-hdrc.1.auto/usb1/1-1 i view only manufacturer, vendor but i dont view driver name..
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  • [11:49:25] <KotH> Quinto: /sys/bus/usb/
  • [11:49:32] <KotH> Quinto: but use lsusb instead
  • [11:49:50] <KotH> unless you know chapter9 by heart
  • [11:50:34] <Quinto> KotH: i view 4 folder
  • [11:50:48] <Quinto> devices drivers drivers_autoprobe drivers_probe uevent
  • [11:53:17] <KotH> yes
  • [11:53:34] <KotH> actually, you see 2 directories and 3 files
  • [11:53:38] <KotH> you dont see any folders
  • [11:53:51] <KotH> this is not macos or winodws, it's a unix, unix dont have folders, they have directories
  • [11:55:29] <Quinto> directoris yes
  • [11:55:49] <Quinto> but i want that i put a devices with FTDI driver i can view this driver on ttyubs0
  • [11:55:57] <Quinto> but i want that i put a devices with CP201x driver i can view this driver on ttyubs0
  • [11:56:02] <Quinto> which file change?
  • [11:58:06] <Quinto> KotH:
  • [12:01:25] <KotH> none in sysfs
  • [12:01:31] <KotH> you want to read up on udev
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  • [12:04:10] <Quinto01> KotH: ?
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  • [12:05:19] <Vaizki> :D
  • [12:05:27] <Quinto01> i was out
  • [12:05:31] <KotH> 13:01 < KotH> none in sysfs
  • [12:05:31] <KotH> 13:01 < KotH> you want to read up on udev
  • [12:05:36] <Quinto01> you can rewrite?
  • [12:06:10] <Quinto01> ok i use libudev but which is function for read driver name used?
  • [12:06:26] * KotH does not know libudev
  • [12:07:52] <Quinto01> :)
  • [12:07:55] <Quinto01> ok thanks
  • [12:08:52] <KotH> and a quick look at alans website reveals that libudev is the wrong thing
  • [12:09:09] <KotH> libudev seems to be for walking sysfs, not to configure udev
  • [12:09:14] <KotH> different things
  • [12:09:19] <KotH> read the udev documentation
  • [12:12:04] <Quinto01> KotH: what?
  • [12:12:18] <Quinto01> who is alans?
  • [12:13:13] <Vaizki> try udevadm -a -n /dev/ttyusb0
  • [12:13:16] <Vaizki> oops
  • [12:13:22] <Vaizki> try udevadm info -a -n /dev/ttyusb0
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  • [12:16:23] <KotH> Quinto01: alan ott, chief of signal11
  • [12:16:38] <Quinto01> KotH: where is
  • [12:16:40] <KotH> Quinto01: it's one of the first sites that pop up when you google for libudev
  • [12:16:46] <Quinto01> ok ok
  • [12:17:04] <Vaizki> Quinto01: try the command I told you.. it should have kernel driver names in the DRIVERS="..." attributes
  • [12:17:14] <KotH> Quinto01: please do yourself and everyone here a favor AND GOOGLE FIRST BEFORE ASKING
  • [12:17:32] <KotH> Quinto01: you have been asking questions that could have been easily answered by googling for the past weeks
  • [12:17:44] <KotH> Quinto01: please please save everyones time and google first
  • [12:17:56] <Vaizki> everyone including your own
  • [12:18:24] <KotH> Vaizki: actually, i dont care about his time, but about the time of people helping here
  • [12:18:40] <Vaizki> sure. I was just trying to motivate him :)
  • [12:18:47] <KotH> helping people, no matter whether on irc, on mailinglists or anyhwere else is a huge timesink
  • [12:18:58] <KotH> and it's very rude to waste other peoples time, IMHO
  • [12:19:22] <Vaizki> yea I try to pitch in myself.. on about 7 channels
  • [12:20:52] * KotH should ask for 1chf for each answer he gives
  • [12:21:06] <KotH> i guess, people would then think twice before asking
  • [12:24:29] <Quinto01> Vaizki: dont work your command
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  • [12:26:33] <Quinto01> Vaizki: ok udevadm info -a -n /dev/ttyUSB0 but i dont view FTDI driver
  • [12:26:36] <Quinto01> name
  • [12:27:34] <KotH> Quinto01: http://beagleboard.org/chat
  • [12:27:46] <KotH> Quinto01: read that, including the two links there
  • [12:27:53] <KotH> Quinto01: you need it
  • [12:28:32] <Vaizki> I give up
  • [12:30:53] <Quinto01> i ve already readed
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  • [12:35:55] <KotH> Quinto01: then why do you not follow those two guides?
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  • [12:48:30] <ragnar76> hi all. my audio cape is arriving today, is there something i have to consider?
  • [12:50:05] <KotH> yes, send prpplague some swiss chocolate
  • [12:50:37] <ragnar76> KotH: i live in germany, would a beer work too? :)
  • [12:50:52] <KotH> ragnar76: sure, prpplague likes good beer :)
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  • [12:52:16] <ragnar76> KotH: in our hackerspace we brew our very own beer, maybe i can grab one or two of them
  • [12:57:13] <ragnar76> i had some serious trouble using an usb soundthing on my bbb so i decided to buy an cape (which is quite expensive here in de)
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  • [12:58:23] <karthikreddy745> my beagle bone black's ethernet is not working
  • [12:58:49] <karthikreddy745> can any one can help me
  • [12:58:50] <karthikreddy745> ?
  • [12:59:47] <KotH> ragnar76: i know.. shipping costs a lot to europe
  • [12:59:56] <KotH> karthikreddy745: "does not work" is not an error description
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  • [13:00:22] <ragnar76> not only shipping, tax and stuff
  • [13:00:28] <KotH> tax?
  • [13:00:36] <KotH> you already pay tax on that?
  • [13:00:51] <KotH> .o0(another reason to stay away from EU)
  • [13:02:28] <ragnar76> yes, vat
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  • [13:03:58] <karthikreddy745> yeah i'm not able to connect it to internet
  • [13:04:10] <KotH> karthikreddy745: "does not work" is not an error description
  • [13:04:39] <ragnar76> KotH: cigarettes, for example, have double tax. one for the tobacco and then vat
  • [13:04:40] <KotH> ragnar76: we dont pay VAT until the value reaches >100EUR or so
  • [13:05:10] <KotH> ragnar76: well, another reason why smokign is stupid ;)
  • [13:05:20] <ragnar76> karthikreddy745: what does "ifconfig" says?
  • [13:05:36] <karthikreddy745> no rx only tx
  • [13:05:45] <karthikreddy745> rx is 0
  • [13:06:40] <ragnar76> what do you mean with "0"?
  • [13:07:06] <karthikreddy745> one moment
  • [13:07:17] <ragnar76> pls, use pastebin
  • [13:11:00] <ragnar76> brb
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  • [13:22:58] <ragnar76> re
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  • [13:45:06] <ragnar76> is it possible to disable the hdmi sound and if yes, how?
  • [13:45:14] <av500> VOL-
  • [13:45:45] <ragnar76> av500: i mean, disable the hardware
  • [13:46:02] <av500> of course
  • [13:46:26] <av500> I guess editing the device tree to not mention sound over hdmi or sp
  • [13:46:27] <av500> so
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  • [13:52:29] <ragnar76> i see no option to disable sound over hdmi. i can only disable hdmi at all
  • [13:53:14] <Rotti> aren't there 2 hdmi dt files? you can disable one of them (hdmin?)
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  • [13:54:52] <ragnar76> dunno
  • [13:56:05] <av500> options where?
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  • [13:57:28] <ragnar76> uEnv.txt
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  • [13:59:40] <ragnar76> i've found two .dtbo files. cape-boneblack-hdmi-00A0 and cape-boneblack-hdmin-00A0
  • [13:59:57] <das> could someone subscribed to lwn please give me the device trees articles ?
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  • [14:06:38] <ragnar76> whats the difference between those two files?
  • [14:06:47] <riskable> FYI (in case someone in the channel can fix it): There's a broken link on this page: http://beagleboard.org/project/angstrom . It has "Building Angstrom Page" linked as http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom which is dead
  • [14:07:31] <riskable> Of course, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ itself has broken links
  • [14:08:15] <riskable> There's so many dead/broken links that it makes it seem like the distribution is dead
  • [14:08:35] <woglinde> riskable the server which it was hosted it down
  • [14:08:44] <riskable> woglinde: I see
  • [14:08:48] <woglinde> so be patient until it is up again
  • [14:09:25] <riskable> woglinde: Oh *I* can be patient. I don't mind at all. *I* know it'll come back up eventually :)
  • [14:09:50] <riskable> It's those *other* people who are new to the BB platform and Angstrom that will be confused and possibly sad
  • [14:10:09] <woglinde> hm sure go to #angstrom and tell them
  • [14:10:24] <riskable> Hopefully the folks in charge of that system are migrating it to a nice cloud-based solution so there won't be anything to "go down" in the future :)
  • [14:10:39] <riskable> Actually, I had no idea there was an #angstrom channel. I'll join!
  • [14:11:15] <woglinde> I am heading somewhere till later
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  • [14:25:15] <Vaizki> hmmh, any idea on the eMMC endurance.. in the BBB?
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  • [14:28:13] <Vaizki> micron isn't giving me the data sheet without a user account
  • [14:30:17] <av500> we tried to kill an emmc
  • [14:30:21] <av500> writing to it for days
  • [14:30:29] <av500> didnt work
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  • [14:39:54] <Vaizki> ok...
  • [14:40:27] <av500> to kill it, cut the power while it is writing
  • [14:42:26] <das> Vaizki: pretty sure you can create an bogus account at micron
  • [14:42:47] <das> otherwise assume 2k-5k writes per cell and calculate from there
  • [14:43:09] <Anguel> av500: are you serious?
  • [14:43:17] <av500> yesd
  • [14:43:24] <av500> why?
  • [14:43:37] <Vaizki> well it hasn't died yet and its power gets cut all the time :O
  • [14:43:48] <Anguel> exacdtly
  • [14:43:56] <av500> anecdotal evidence is ... anecdotal
  • [14:44:29] <Vaizki> so what happens when you cut power in the middle of a write?
  • [14:44:33] <Anguel> these things should be at least as durable as a good sd card
  • [14:45:10] <myself> as always, everything depends on the wear leveling software, right?
  • [14:45:13] <av500> Vaizki: if its on thje middle of updating metadata, nasty things can happen
  • [14:45:38] <myself> but that's more fileystem corruption than actual hardware damage, an erase cycle should bring it back, no?
  • [14:45:51] <av500> no
  • [14:46:01] <av500> if its the card low level metadata, it is fucked
  • [14:46:24] <Anguel> hm, such operations should be atomic, don't believe
  • [14:46:24] <av500> not the fs metadata. but the nand metadata
  • [14:46:28] <myself> oooh
  • [14:46:28] <Vaizki> well who the fuck would make non atomic meta-data updates
  • [14:46:29] <av500> Anguel: how?
  • [14:47:01] <av500> industrial cards have large caps to buffer the power to ensure that
  • [14:49:36] <Anguel> so this problem applies to all consumer devices?
  • [14:50:47] <av500> yes
  • [14:50:53] <myself> and it's impressively rare
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  • [14:51:03] <myself> your odds of unplugging something just at the right moment are pretty slim
  • [14:51:04] <av500> I have a heap of broken sdcards
  • [14:51:22] <myself> ...unless you're trying, and a wizard, like av500 apparently is :P
  • [14:52:15] <av500> cant tell you why they broke
  • [14:52:28] <av500> and they were not used often
  • [14:52:35] <av500> cheap crap is cheap and crap
  • [14:52:53] <KotH> av500: did you buy them in shengzen?
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  • [14:54:03] <Anguel> http://www.jedec.org/sites/default/files/Victor_Tsai.pdf -> page 32
  • [14:57:10] <KotH> Anguel: unfortunately, you cannot change physics by changing your specs
  • [14:57:33] <KotH> Anguel: writing nand cells takes time, it's a gradual process, not atomic.
  • [14:57:53] <Anguel> but does this mean that they are killed?
  • [14:58:12] <av500> Anguel: page 31
  • [14:58:42] <myself> you're diffusing electrons into the floating gate, right?
  • [14:59:13] <KotH> Anguel: and afaik he is talking about mmc/sdcard blocks, not nand blocks
  • [14:59:28] <KotH> Anguel: ie, about an abstraction and not the phyiscal representation of the data
  • [14:59:51] <KotH> the 512bytes/block should tell you that
  • [14:59:56] <myself> aren't those blocks usually aligned to each other for performance reasons?
  • [15:00:09] <myself> maybe not the same size, but one edge aligned at least
  • [15:00:15] <KotH> yes
  • [15:00:49] <av500> Anguel: sdcard store internal metadata like bad block mappings
  • [15:00:59] <av500> and phys to virt mappings
  • [15:01:08] <av500> these block needs to be remapped as well
  • [15:01:21] <av500> if you kill power while that happens, you might end up with bad internal state
  • [15:01:23] <KotH> i only know the internas of one sdcard manufacturer, so take it with a grain of sailt (the size of swiss alps), but they write everything in 4k blocks and buffer 512bytes until the 4k are full or the write ended
  • [15:01:26] <av500> and the card is toast
  • [15:01:32] <av500> KotH: no
  • [15:01:39] <KotH> av500: no?
  • [15:01:40] <av500> erase blocks are way larger than 4k
  • [15:01:47] <KotH> av500: ah..yes
  • [15:01:53] <KotH> av500: but they write in 4k blocks :)
  • [15:02:03] <Anguel> ok, just couldn't find any info that blocks get damaged forever when power loss happens
  • [15:02:34] <av500> its as if you kill the firmware on a hdd
  • [15:02:37] <KotH> Anguel: you dont damage them forever, but you damage the metadata
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  • [15:02:51] <av500> like pulling the plug while you flash bios
  • [15:03:02] <KotH> Anguel: if you can fix the metadata, then the card works again
  • [15:03:30] <KotH> av500: to be fair, if your sdcard firmware cannot handle corrupted metadata, then something is wrong... but as you said, cheap crap is cheap crap
  • [15:03:35] <Anguel> so probably the internal controller is able to do this
  • [15:03:51] <av500> maybe
  • [15:04:12] <Anguel> ok, at least the micron's controller
  • [15:05:05] <Anguel> samsung even successfully corrupted SSDs in previous fw
  • [15:05:16] <av500> great
  • [15:05:27] <Anguel> but we know that samsung is unable to write any software
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  • [15:06:27] <Anguel> and now apple are doing their best to catch samsung, so they blew up many iphone 4s wifi chips with iOS 7 update
  • [15:07:28] <KotH> let me guess, people believed that the update made their phone water proof?
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  • [15:08:36] <thurgood_> lol
  • [15:08:47] <Anguel> the funny thing is that you can revive the chip with a hairdryier
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  • [15:09:54] <Anguel> http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-censors-news-that-ios-7-upgrade-disables-wifi-on-some-iphones-2013-10
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  • [15:14:59] <KotH> apple is going the scientology way
  • [15:16:57] <av500> that is news`
  • [15:16:59] <av500> ?
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  • [15:20:32] <KotH> nope
  • [15:20:39] <KotH> just stating the fact, once again
  • [15:21:00] <av500> confusing
  • [15:21:43] <KotH> stating facts is confusing to you?
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  • [15:54:38] <av500> elaborate
  • [15:55:21] <ogra_> it is sitting around lazy and drinks beer and eats chips
  • [15:55:34] <karthikreddy745> i'm not able to access internet wen i go for ifconfif rx is 0 bytes
  • [15:55:45] <karthikreddy745> *ifconfig
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  • [15:56:41] <karthikreddy745> i even tried to update using opkg update
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  • [16:16:02] <mrgloop> Question:
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  • [16:20:39] <woglinde> lol
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  • [16:28:09] <Crofton|work> Answer:
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  • [16:34:00] <LetoThe2nd> Crofton|work: you forgot to leave right after giving the "Answer:"
  • [16:34:46] <Crofton|work> doh
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  • [17:11:44] <ragnar76> yay, my audio cape has arrived :)
  • [17:12:44] <Ferris> you should play Van Halen's Sweet Victory
  • [17:13:25] <myself> or just the first few seconds of "won't get fooled again"
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  • [17:14:18] <myself> (??????_???)
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  • [17:14:37] <ragnar76> hm, my debugcable does not fit :(
  • [17:14:45] <jjc> Hello, if I have a .sh script that I want to run on the first boot after writing an image to the eMMC, how would I go about doing that?
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  • [17:15:40] <das> run at start, delete itself at the end ?
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  • [17:16:36] <jjc> I would rather it didn't delete itself if possible
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  • [17:17:24] <jjc> it just needs to only run by itself on the first boot
  • [17:18:41] <jjc> could i place it in profile.d and make it move itself once it has run?
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  • [17:19:09] <das> check wht init system your destro uses, read a tutorial for that
  • [17:19:57] <jjc> ty
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  • [17:43:47] <ragnar76> argh! the reseller told my that the audio cape is working with the bbb but it does not :(
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  • [17:45:38] <riskable> Awwwwe yeah: Gate One 1.2 is about TWICE AS FAST as Gate One 1.1 on the Beaglebone: http://imgur.com/a/ktFCO
  • [17:46:32] <riskable> Any features anyone wants before I finish up this packaging? :D
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  • [17:47:29] <ragnar76> so far, bb and bbb have the same pinout. why does it not work?
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  • [17:48:40] <jkridner> riskable: cool. any chance you could submit OE patches to update in the default image?
  • [17:49:09] <riskable> jkridner: That's what I'm working on now
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  • [17:49:22] <jkridner> ragnar76: remember that the eMMC and HDMI act as "capes" and consume pin resources.
  • [17:49:29] <jkridner> riskable: thanks!
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  • [17:49:53] <riskable> Packaging in Gate One 1.2 is *completely different* so I am working out the gateone_git.bb
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  • [17:50:22] <riskable> It installs itself a lot more like a regular Python package now... Not installing in /opt anymore
  • [17:50:35] <riskable> Also requires an updated version of Tornado but I can't find a tornado*.bb anywhere!
  • [17:52:24] <ragnar76> jkridner: hm
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  • [17:55:31] <riskable> Strange: When running 'setsid /bin/login' or 'exec /bin/login' it never asks me for my password and always says login failed
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  • [18:14:07] <ragnar76> so, what can i do now? is it possible to disable "internal" sound and use the cape? i need th phone connector
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  • [18:15:06] <prpplague> ragnar76: no it is not impossible, but it is not supported "out of the box" with the default image
  • [18:15:32] <prpplague> ragnar76: you can edit the kernel and device tree entries to disable the hdmi audio and for it to be just dvi interface
  • [18:15:53] <prpplague> ragnar76: there are some patches that have been posted, but they are for newer kernels iirc
  • [18:16:03] <ragnar76> prpplague: sounds like hard work but i'm using debian
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  • [18:17:45] <ragnar76> i'm not afraid to build my own kernel, did a few times before on my laptop
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  • [18:22:49] <prpplague> ragnar76: then hack away!
  • [18:23:53] <prpplague> ragnar76: please note that the supported cape matrix does list the restriction on the audio cape - http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Capes#Chart
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  • [18:30:05] <ragnar76> pwhat is the difference between hdmi and hdmin?
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  • [18:50:50] <ragnar76> hard to gather all the informations :/
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  • [19:28:44] <sanky> Hi
  • [19:29:58] <sanky> I have a question regarding angstrom OS running on beagleboard
  • [19:30:19] <jkridner|work> ugh. don't ask to ask. please read the topic.
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  • [19:32:31] <sanky> I'm sorry for that...Here is my question...Can we configure the gpio_keys driver to call custom ISR for user button on beagleboard? Or need to write a complete module to request and register user button with custom ISR?
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  • [19:33:06] <jkridner|work> it would be an event handler if you used the gpio-keys driver, rather than an ISR.
  • [19:33:29] <jkridner|work> interrupts are all handled in the kernel.
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  • [19:34:04] <jkridner> adding a handler is pretty easy and is fair performance.
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  • [19:36:22] <sanky> If I'm not wrong with default config of angstrom user button is acquired by gpio_driver. Hence I need to disable gpio buttons from menu config and then write a module to request and register user button with custom ISR?
  • [19:36:45] <sanky> *gpio_keys driver
  • [19:37:45] <jkridner> what board do you have?
  • [19:37:54] <sanky> Beagleboard XM
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  • [19:38:43] <jkridner> sounds right, but you might confirm it isn't a loadable module by looking at 'lsmod'
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  • [19:41:22] <sanky> sure..ill check on that...secondly in the custom ISR for user button I glow an on board LED by scheduling a work?
  • [19:41:31] <jkridner> sanky: reconfiguring is more likely an edit of https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/blob/3.8/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c than a menu config option
  • [19:41:49] <jkridner> what does "scheduling a work" mean?
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  • [19:43:00] <sanky> using a work queue to perform remaining part of interrupt handling
  • [19:43:22] <jkridner> hmmm... looks like it is already configured to use the gpio-keys driver rather than the gpio driver.
  • [19:43:29] <jkridner> https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/blob/3.8/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c#L877
  • [19:43:35] <jkridner> if you are using the 3.8 kernel.
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  • [19:45:54] <sanky> I am using 3.2.xx kernel
  • [19:47:24] <sanky> Ok so you mean I can edit "board-omap3beagle.c" to have custom ISR for user button?
  • [19:48:27] <jkridner> no, that is to configure the driver that loads.
  • [19:49:16] <sanky> Ok
  • [19:49:54] <sanky> Thanks
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  • [20:31:30] <thews> BBB threw me for a loop earlier, might need to document that it won't accept USB hubs that have the 5v connected back to the host
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  • [20:32:14] <thews> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-UOAROwAIL8k/UovDYdZgy2I/AAAAAAAAJVc/yGW__hsK2H8/w1355-h1016-no/IMG_20131119_135955.jpg had to cut the red wire
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  • [20:32:38] <thews> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rlC_V9eKORo/UovDTmbvgPI/AAAAAAAAJVQ/1jMe3uWJbsU/w1355-h1016-no/IMG_20131119_135939.jpg
  • [20:32:44] <thews> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e5qzxnvlWcE/UovKZ8RWMJI/AAAAAAAAJVw/0NjmbG2U1y4/w1355-h1016-no/IMG_20131119_143010.jpg
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  • [20:34:03] <thews> also, soldering onto a broken microusb SMD female with 30 gauge wires was a real test of my skill / patience
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  • [20:35:35] <thews> but a 35Wh battery pack + mobile KVM for BBB for $40 was worth it
  • [20:35:57] <myself> haha, lapdock!
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  • [20:36:07] <myself> I've got one of those lurking in my projects-to-do bin.
  • [20:36:32] <thews> myself: I have cables I ordered a couple of weeks ago coming from china, but wanted to test it out, and who knows when I'll get them
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  • [20:37:17] <myself> A standard cable kit, where someone's already done the work to verify that these exact gizmos will connect a beagle to a lapdock, would be a useful product in itself.
  • [20:37:34] <myself> i'd order that kit and skip the hackery, if it existed.. :)
  • [20:37:35] <thews> someone sells em, but it'll set you back $30 + shipping
  • [20:37:38] <myself> really..
  • [20:37:45] <myself> hmm, that is kinda a lot.
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  • [20:38:04] <thews> it took me about 30 minutes to hack it together, but I'm a lot better than most at soldering
  • [20:38:08] <thews> the SMD spacing was about 1mm
  • [20:38:48] <thews> this is also the first time I've seen anyone be able to do it without extensions
  • [20:39:48] <thews> I thought about desoldering the usb port on the BBB and putting wires straight from microusb female, but glad I was able to hack the cable into it
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  • [20:45:25] <bcessa_> hi, I'm trying to run e-0.17.5 on a BBB, last test was with a ubuntu 12.10 image but as soon as e start and show the first screen the device freezes, any ideas on what may be the source of the issue? have someone try it on a different image? thnx
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  • [20:49:02] <bcessa_> btw, X by itself (xterm, etc) runs just fine
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  • [21:13:58] <thews> sweet
  • [21:14:05] <thews> got hdmi audio working with no X
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  • [21:20:39] <lync> hello
  • [21:20:42] <lync> my fiends
  • [21:21:01] <thews> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/100588352984244566304/albums/5948082970778996177/5948082969704389730
  • [21:21:10] <thews> I don't see anywhere that says the above is possible either
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  • [21:25:39] <lync> at first does not recognize my beagle board is no longer bale formatting and nothing just comes on and restored or is no longer valid
  • [21:25:51] <lync> help
  • [21:25:52] <lync> plz
  • [21:25:56] <lync> help
  • [21:26:29] <wolfbyte> i'm having trouble using SD cards,
  • [21:26:38] <wolfbyte> you can always reset it and then plug it in
  • [21:27:53] <thews> you can always do serial console too if you have the hardware
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  • [21:28:13] <lync> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFL_cQu1phc sow
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  • [21:28:36] <lync> you need to download the file as you said Beagle page edges after this walk look better all you help
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  • [21:29:11] <lync> hi
  • [21:29:30] <lync> first does not recognize my beagle board is no longer bale formatting and nothing just comes on and restored or is no longer valid
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  • [21:46:55] <thews> lync it's very hard for me to understand what you're saying you might have better luck typing your native language question here http://translate.google.com/
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  • [22:16:19] <Arne_> I'm an embedded C programmer looking into the BeagleBoneBlack for a new project. The "getting started" section leaves me with a lot of unanswered questions about what knowledge base is assumed for new users. Where is the best place to start for someone who doesn't already program in Java Script, HTML and CSS?
  • [22:16:47] <Vaizki_> umm.. just use C.
  • [22:17:00] <Vaizki_> nothing wrong with C
  • [22:18:04] <Arne_> I'm used to using an IDE (MPLABX) from Microchip. Which compiler do I need for this system?
  • [22:18:33] <cmicali> arne: your best bet us using gcc
  • [22:18:53] <Vaizki_> well if are going to run linux on your BBB like most people, you'll be using normal linux dev tools. anything you want really.
  • [22:19:04] <cmicali> arne: gcc/command line is probably the easiest, but i have also had success using netbeans as an IDE remote build/debug on the beagle bone
  • [22:19:15] <Vaizki_> if you want to run something on "bare metal", that's different
  • [22:19:19] <cmicali> arne: http://mechomaniac.com/BeagleboardDevelopmentWithNetbeans
  • [22:19:27] <Vaizki_> but this is not a microcontroller really
  • [22:19:47] <Vaizki_> why in the world would anyone learn java just to run netbeans
  • [22:19:59] <cmicali> ?
  • [22:20:03] <cmicali> you don't need to learn java to use netbeans
  • [22:20:07] <cmicali> it works fine as a C/C++ ice also
  • [22:20:10] <cmicali> s/ice/ide
  • [22:20:39] <Vaizki_> ok.. I'm too old school then :(
  • [22:21:06] <cmicali> the remote build/debug features are nice, it lets you have a reasonably begginer-friendly experience writing c/c++ on beaglebone
  • [22:21:24] <Arne_> Have you used the W3schools JS site, I'm thinking this might be a way to get started.
  • [22:21:54] <Vaizki_> do you want to use C or JS?
  • [22:22:09] <Vaizki_> and if JS, you need to learn node.js really
  • [22:22:23] <Arne_> I've never used JS but many of the basic language constructs look similar
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  • [22:22:40] <Vaizki_> yes but you can do everything in C on the bone if you want
  • [22:23:19] <Arne_> thanks for the tips, I'll look into these.
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  • [22:24:35] <Vaizki_> sure.. just remember the BBB is a linux machine and it doesn't really matter what the hardware below is for 99% of the stuff you do
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  • [23:04:56] <sanky> Hi..I'm using Beagleboard XM and running angstrom 3.2 version. I want to write a module in kernel that detects the user button press and glows on board LED
  • [23:06:20] <_av500_> then do it
  • [23:06:45] <sanky> With the default config in angstrom OS, the gpio_keys driver acquires the user button. I have disabled it from platform_data
  • [23:07:13] <sanky> N now how can I use existing led driver to glow an LED?
  • [23:09:06] <_av500_> dont know about the kernel internal API for leds
  • [23:09:10] <_av500_> have a look at led triggers
  • [23:09:14] <_av500_> they must use it
  • [23:09:29] <_av500_> then remove the LED from the triggers and control it from your driver
  • [23:10:23] <sanky> Can you provide more details on the last point?
  • [23:13:38] <Vaizki_> out of curiosity.. is this homework or do you really WANT to do this? :)
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  • [23:14:57] <sanky> Its a part of a project that I am doing...:)
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  • [23:18:05] <ds2> hire qualified people to do it.
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  • [23:18:53] <sanky> Another approach would be to disable one of the LED's from platform data and use this LED in the same module as above.
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  • [23:21:59] <sanky> Let me see if I can control LED using the existing drivers...Thanks all...:)
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