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  • [00:03:44] <Seth_> It would be cool to make a touch screen controller that makes my robot punch itself...
  • [00:04:20] <Seth_> I know that sounds silly but durable things usually are lasting.
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  • [00:04:36] <Seth_> i.e. suicide bot. Hahhaaha.
  • [00:05:00] <agmlego> Seth_: Check out the Antimov competition Sparkfun ran.
  • [00:05:19] <Seth_> Okay...I will look into it.
  • [00:06:19] <Seth_> I saw that Pollolu has their version of bot kits...Sumo and others for competition.
  • [00:07:37] <Seth_> Well...it has been fun agmlego. I am going to head out now. I will be around in the next couple of years. Have fun...
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  • [03:43:32] <JetForMe> WTH. I just installed Angstrom, then installed ros, then used git to get some stuff for ros (what I should've done in the beginning), and now suddenly my root user has a password
  • [03:43:53] <JetForMe> Is there any way to log into BBB via the console if you don't know the root password?
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  • [03:47:14] <MobileWill> Hi all, can someone help with cross-compiling and archtecture errors with different images for the beaglebone black?
  • [03:47:22] <MobileWill> Here is where I am at
  • [03:47:23] <MobileWill> https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts/issues/32
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  • [03:53:38] <MobileWill> What is the difference with the images that have v in front of the year
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  • [03:59:15] <N2TOH> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1070166362/super-macro-bot/?ref=kicktraq
  • [03:59:51] <N2TOH> ok maybe a dumb question, but can't the Beaglebone Black do this with it's USB device port?
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  • [04:08:46] <jkridner> N2TOH: isn't that a BeagleBone Black on the video?
  • [04:09:21] <jkridner> ah, original beaglebone
  • [04:09:52] <jkridner> $850,000 goal?!?
  • [04:10:32] <jkridner> not with this video.
  • [04:11:03] <jkridner> yeah, don't know why they need the teensy
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  • [04:12:29] <jkridner> N2TOH: I agree with you, this can be done with the BeagleBone Black USB ports alone.
  • [04:12:33] <N2TOH> Does the original beaglebone allow you to console into it via a USB port
  • [04:12:49] <N2TOH> my next question, how?
  • [04:12:53] <jkridner> wonder if he ever saw http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2010_Projects/USBSniffer
  • [04:13:28] <jkridner> N2TOH: the g_multi driver provides virtual serial, virtual Ethernet and mass storage all at the same time.
  • [04:13:55] <N2TOH> COOL!
  • [04:15:13] <N2TOH> I will have to read into that further in the morning
  • [04:16:58] <ZiNC> Hmm... is Bluetooth PAN a viable thing to use on Windows and other stock desktop OSes?
  • [04:17:18] <N2TOH> why would you need it?
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  • [04:18:23] <ZiNC> I guess wireless USB might be the ultimate solution, except that it doesn't really exist yet.
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  • [04:18:48] <ZiNC> Trying to find a driverless way to communicate wireless.
  • [04:18:50] <mrpackethead> http://www.beaglepro.com
  • [04:19:17] <ZiNC> +ly
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  • [04:29:57] <JetForMe> anyone know if it's possible to build a linux from scratch using clang/LLVM for BBB?
  • [04:31:22] <dcj123> Does anyone know how to access the U-Boot prompt? I am reading that you tap space upon powering the BBB up but thats not working, why?
  • [04:32:21] <thurgood> over the serial console you press any key when uboot is just about to hand off
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  • [04:34:49] <N2TOH> you can edit the config file so it will always ask
  • [04:37:33] <dcj123> how might I do the config file method?
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  • [04:39:43] <digitalw00t> Hey guys.. need some help with pppd and a edge modem.
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  • [04:40:23] <digitalw00t> Been trying for a few days, but nothing. I can use minicom and talk to it, I setup pppd, run it, and it runs, but I never get a network interface from it.
  • [04:40:51] <eggzeck> $850,000 goal is steep lol
  • [04:41:00] <eggzeck> And I can't even play that video.
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  • [04:46:01] <ZiNC> Nite.
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  • [04:47:23] <digitalw00t> Nobody remember how to do pppd? Or how to get angstrom to work with it?
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  • [04:58:31] <digitalw00t> No takers?
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  • [05:23:03] <dcj123> Is there way to access the U-Boot prompt with the uEnv.txt file insteed of using a serial console?
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  • [06:01:56] <eggzeck-laptop> Man I love my beagle!
  • [06:02:06] <eggzeck-laptop> this thing is amazing
  • [06:02:48] <digitalw00t> eggzeck.. what do you do with yours?
  • [06:04:45] <eggzeck-laptop> I did a couple of things and working on one project for future use and perhaps offer it to the public.
  • [06:05:01] <eggzeck-laptop> But I have a newborn baby, so I created my own video monitor with audio
  • [06:05:03] <digitalw00t> Are you using angstrom on it? Or another distro?
  • [06:05:10] <eggzeck-laptop> Angstrom
  • [06:05:38] <eggzeck-laptop> My baby monitor also detects when my baby is moving
  • [06:05:41] <eggzeck-laptop> love it
  • [06:06:35] <digitalw00t> Glad to hear it.. and congrats.
  • [06:06:51] <digitalw00t> Don't suppose you remember how to use pppd to connect to the net via a modem do you?
  • [06:06:52] <eggzeck-laptop> ty, and ty very much. She's amazing :D
  • [06:07:15] <digitalw00t> I have 4 of my own.. so I know the feeling.
  • [06:07:52] <eggzeck-laptop> Nice, congrats on every one.
  • [06:08:02] <eggzeck-laptop> Wow PPPd, haven't played with that in a while
  • [06:08:07] <eggzeck-laptop> What's your question?
  • [06:08:13] <digitalw00t> Yeah.. 20 years here.. and it's driving me nutz.
  • [06:08:17] <eggzeck-laptop> lol
  • [06:08:29] <digitalw00t> I'm not familiar with angstrom.. and its killing me.
  • [06:08:34] <digitalw00t> NOthing is where it is suppose to be for a linux distro.
  • [06:08:44] <eggzeck-laptop> It's an embedded system
  • [06:08:46] <eggzeck-laptop> So, be patient
  • [06:09:01] <eggzeck-laptop> I just got mine not so long ago, 3 days to be exact
  • [06:09:06] <digitalw00t> Heard linux, and made some wrong assumptions.
  • [06:09:23] <eggzeck-laptop> Not really, even some man pages are missing, but commands are still there
  • [06:09:29] <eggzeck-laptop> You just have to get used to it
  • [06:10:12] <eggzeck-laptop> If you're REALLY bothered just install another distro like Debian
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  • [06:11:36] <digitalw00t> hehe.. I've got two bbb, so going to try ubuntu, just really wanted to use the default os.
  • [06:11:38] <digitalw00t> But man..
  • [06:12:10] <eggzeck-laptop> Yeah, some have nightmares of Angstrom hah
  • [06:12:33] <digitalw00t> It's okay if you don't remember.. I odn't even remember how to do this.
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  • [06:12:44] <digitalw00t> pppd.. I never thought I'd be using that again.
  • [06:12:58] <dm8tbr> angstrom is for people who want to be able to tailor an embedded distribution to their device
  • [06:13:12] <dm8tbr> ubuntu and debian is for people who want to run a desktop distro
  • [06:13:47] <eggzeck-laptop> yep
  • [06:13:51] <digitalw00t> dm8tbr: Which is why I wanted to use angstrom to connect to the net via a 2g edge modem.
  • [06:14:01] <digitalw00t> I've got minicom to talk to it, but can't get ppp to setup the network.
  • [06:14:43] <dm8tbr> why not use connman for that? IIRC it should be capable of doing that
  • [06:14:50] <digitalw00t> And getting angstrom to give you anything as far as debugging information.
  • [06:15:22] <digitalw00t> connman.. that a gui only affair?
  • [06:16:46] <dm8tbr> no, it's a daemon
  • [06:16:50] <eggzeck-laptop> https://connman.net/
  • [06:16:54] <dm8tbr> but it might not do ppp
  • [06:17:03] <digitalw00t> I'll check it out.. thanks.
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  • [06:25:21] <digitalw00t> Wow.. and if you tweak angstrom the wrong way.. it will never boot again.
  • [06:25:27] <digitalw00t> It SOOO needs a console.
  • [06:25:39] <eggzeck-laptop> use a serial connection
  • [06:27:20] <digitalw00t> yeah.. workin on that.. just do not have oner
  • [06:27:50] <dm8tbr> yes, embedded systems are a pain in the back without proper serial console. :)
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  • [06:36:42] <digitalw00t> And now.. to learn how to use connman.
  • [06:36:53] <digitalw00t> It will connect to GSM, and this is a GSM 2g card.
  • [06:37:00] <digitalw00t> Now to figure out how this thing works.
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  • [06:44:35] <eggzeck-laptop> digitalw00t: And the fun begins ;)
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  • [06:57:45] <`Ishq> ok, got USB ssh working again on Arch
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  • [07:45:38] <ccpplinux> hi
  • [07:45:43] <ccpplinux> hi all
  • [07:47:02] <ccpplinux> I would like to confirm whether the beagleboard black comes with graphical desktop environment of Angstrom Linux or not?
  • [07:47:42] <dm8tbr> there are angstrom images with some sort of desktop, yes
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  • [07:49:44] <ccpplinux> Hi dm8tbr, can you please send me URL of those Angstrom images
  • [07:50:31] <dm8tbr> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
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  • [08:26:02] <paperboy> there is a tutorial for to install Qt libraries on Beagle?
  • [08:29:44] <dm8tbr> follow the way for your distribution of installing qt libraries
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  • [08:39:52] <Quinto> there is a tutorial for to install Qt libraries on Beagle?
  • [08:40:29] <KotH> 09:29 < dm8tbr> follow the way for your distribution of installing qt libraries
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  • [08:41:10] <Quinto> so i need a internet connection?
  • [08:41:24] <KotH> no, you need to learn how to read
  • [08:41:36] <Quinto> i'm already to read
  • [08:42:08] <KotH> we dont know what distribution you are using on the beagle. so the only thing we can tell you is to read the documentation of your distro
  • [08:42:29] <Quinto> Angstrom
  • [08:42:34] <KotH> this does not necessarily involve a internet connection
  • [08:42:34] <Quinto> default image
  • [08:42:52] * KotH points at the documentation
  • [08:42:53] <dm8tbr> but an internet connection would certainly make it easier
  • [08:43:32] <_av500_> I thought angstrom ships with qt
  • [08:43:47] <Quinto> i want run an example app on myBBB
  • [08:43:49] <dm8tbr> haven't checked in a while
  • [08:44:00] <Quinto> i have doing a simply app on my pc wth Qt
  • [08:44:11] <_av500_> and do you have qt libs on your BBB?
  • [08:44:11] <Quinto> how i can run this on BBB ?
  • [08:44:16] <_av500_> did you check?
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  • [08:44:23] <Quinto> How?
  • [08:44:32] <_av500_> in /usr/lib I guess
  • [08:44:37] <_av500_> where are they on your PC?
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  • [08:45:39] <Quinto> usr/lib
  • [08:45:49] <Quinto> but on BBB
  • [08:45:54] <Quinto> i have 2000 lib
  • [08:45:59] <Quinto> but i dont view Qt libraries
  • [08:46:09] <woglinde> gm
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  • [08:47:48] <Quinto> there is a tutorial?
  • [08:48:17] <eggzeck-laptop> Doesn't the BBB ship with a MicroSD card?
  • [08:48:21] <_av500_> no
  • [08:48:30] <_av500_> Quinto: i dont know
  • [08:48:35] <_av500_> if there is, google would know
  • [08:48:53] <eggzeck-laptop> K, ty
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  • [08:51:34] <Quinto> i dont find it :(
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  • [09:08:37] <keesj_> Morning
  • [09:08:56] <eggzeck-laptop> morning
  • [09:15:32] <Quinto> morning
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  • [09:33:55] <Quinto> What i must do for debug a simple C++ program on BBB from my pc?
  • [09:34:01] <Quinto> i want do a remote debug
  • [09:34:50] <LetoThe2nd> start gdbserver, then connect to it from your host.
  • [09:34:53] <keesj_> how to you do local debug normally?
  • [09:35:08] <`Ishq> Or just run gdb in screen and ssh into your bbb
  • [09:35:15] <LetoThe2nd> yes.
  • [09:35:44] <LetoThe2nd> not much of a difference there.
  • [09:35:53] <Quinto> i have already ssh on my bbb
  • [09:36:02] <Quinto> i must install gdb on BBB?
  • [09:36:18] <LetoThe2nd> yes
  • [09:36:30] <LetoThe2nd> just use it like you would on your host.
  • [09:36:53] <Quinto> ok opkg install gdb
  • [09:37:08] <LetoThe2nd> debugging on target is rarely really needed, usually the issues can be debugged the same on the host.
  • [09:37:11] <`Ishq> I've found opkg to be really flaky
  • [09:38:10] <Quinto> ok i've installed gdb
  • [09:38:12] <Quinto> on BBB
  • [09:38:14] <Quinto> and now?
  • [09:38:19] <LetoThe2nd> use it.
  • [09:38:27] <LetoThe2nd> gdb ./myfunnyapp
  • [09:38:47] <LetoThe2nd> for gdb itself there is enough documentation available
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  • [09:39:06] <`Ishq> If you run it with arguments, gdb --args ./myfunnyapp --myargs -myarm -o two
  • [09:40:33] <Quinto> no i want run app from my pc to BBB
  • [09:40:37] <Quinto> and it work
  • [09:40:43] <Quinto> but now i want debug it
  • [09:40:46] <Quinto> remote debugger
  • [09:40:51] <Quinto> but i have error
  • [09:41:00] <LetoThe2nd> you are not listening.
  • [09:41:08] <Quinto> Process /prova/prova_BBB created; pid = 2357 Cannot exec /prova/prova_BBB: Exec format error. Child exited with status 127 No program to debug. GDBserver exiting.
  • [09:41:08] <LetoThe2nd> 10:34 < LetoThe2nd> start gdbserver, then connect to it from your host.
  • [09:41:20] <Quinto> gdbserver on my pc?
  • [09:41:24] <LetoThe2nd> also, there is enough documentation available
  • [09:41:46] <LetoThe2nd> gdbserver on the BBB, gdb on the host
  • [09:42:02] <LetoThe2nd> but that won't be different from gdb on the BBB directly.
  • [09:42:15] <LetoThe2nd> so gdb on the BBB directly is the easier option.
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  • [09:43:56] <keesj_> LetoThe2nd: one can get to a decent setup with eclipse gdb remote.
  • [09:43:57] <beagle13> Can anyone pls help in finding out CONFIG_MODVERSIONS in Beaglebone...
  • [09:44:27] <LetoThe2nd> keesj_: one can. if one even knows what gdb is and how it basically works.
  • [09:44:38] <Quinto> i'm using Qt
  • [09:44:50] <Quinto> but a simple C++ with standard libraries
  • [09:44:53] <keesj_> I my experiance like LetoThe2nd is saying using a debugger on the target is seldom usefull
  • [09:45:41] <keesj_> make it work properly on the host first (e.g kill those NULL pointers). run it on the hardware
  • [09:46:02] <keesj_> if it crashes use strace and printf
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  • [09:47:10] <keesj_> or just just bonescript. I did that for the first time last week (creating a stepper motor driver).
  • [09:47:32] <keesj_> it is quite a good debugging environment
  • [09:47:44] <Quinto> no i cant
  • [09:47:47] <keesj_> it's just to easy. no fun here
  • [09:48:05] <Quinto> my app read from a serial port
  • [09:48:13] <LetoThe2nd> Quinto: learn proper debugging on the host first, thats the point.
  • [09:48:14] <Quinto> and i must use debug for read data from serial port
  • [09:48:28] <LetoThe2nd> Quinto: and one can also read data from a serial port on the host.
  • [09:48:28] <Quinto> host you mean my pc?
  • [09:48:49] <keesj_> also python. but no I want to feel pain and go where none has gone before. I want to do remote debugging on my target and want to use c++ and Qt and whatnot
  • [09:49:13] <keesj_> also threads if possible because it makes it harder to debug.
  • [09:49:13] <Quinto> yes
  • [09:49:20] <Quinto> no is easy7
  • [09:49:24] <Quinto> on my old board
  • [09:49:25] <LetoThe2nd> anyways, i have made my point clear. no need to repeat. g'dday
  • [09:49:26] <Quinto> imx53
  • [09:49:35] <Quinto> it work correclty easly
  • [09:49:44] <keesj_> also where can I find the symbols of the libraries?
  • [09:50:47] <eggzeck-laptop> I guess doing an opkg update from eMMC was a bad idea...
  • [09:50:50] <keesj_> Quinto that's great. but can you explain the difference between the vmx53 and the bbb. where you using some sort of SDK?
  • [09:50:50] <Quinto> yes
  • [09:51:15] <Quinto> nothing :P
  • [09:51:54] <LetoThe2nd> eggzeck-laptop: opkg update is about always a bad idea. rather reflash it.
  • [09:52:35] <eggzeck-laptop> LetoThe2nd: Yeah, I messed up.
  • [09:52:43] <Quinto> keesj_: on my IDE i have alwayse same error!
  • [09:52:48] <beagle13> I would like to know about :CONFIG_MODVERSIONS in Beaglebone...anyone can help me plsa.......
  • [09:53:31] <eggzeck-laptop> The dang thing ran out of space during the configuring stage
  • [09:53:44] <eggzeck-laptop> arrrg
  • [09:54:08] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep MODVERS
  • [09:54:21] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: like on every linux that has /proc/config.gz enabled
  • [09:54:29] <Quinto> Preparing remote side ... Killing remote process(es)... Remote process started. Process /prova/prova_BBB created; pid = 2775 Cannot exec /prova/prova_BBB: Exec format error. Child exited with status 127 No program to debug. GDBserver exiting.
  • [09:54:30] <keesj_> Quinto: I whish you to stop PM'ing me
  • [09:54:48] <Quinto> sorry you can answer me?
  • [09:54:50] <keesj_> try a file /prova/prova_BBB on the board
  • [09:55:43] <Quinto> cannot execute bynary file
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  • [09:56:32] <Quinto> if i compile it in release mode, app work on target!
  • [09:56:38] <Quinto> "HELLO WORLD"
  • [09:58:06] <beagle13> @ LetoThe2nd then what does "/usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.0-31/init/Kconfig" CONFIG_MODVERSIONS for.. cant we edit that file
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  • [09:59:27] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: huh?
  • [09:59:53] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: that is a configuration tool file in the kernel sources... you're pretty wrong there.
  • [10:00:03] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: what is it you *actually* want to do?
  • [10:01:12] <woglinde> fun again
  • [10:01:14] <keesj_> Quinto: what does "file /prova/prova_BBB" return?
  • [10:01:38] <woglinde> keesj_ I think he does not know how to crosscompile either
  • [10:01:49] <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: agreed.
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  • [10:02:51] <beagle13> @ LetoThe2nd I wanted to run a module compiled in one kernel version, in another kernel version
  • [10:03:47] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: does not work.
  • [10:04:15] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: and that has nothing to do with that flag, at least not if you modify a text file. you would have to rebuild the kernel.
  • [10:04:40] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: so either the force loading (REALLY BAD IDEA!!) or just rebuild the module, for the correct kernel.
  • [10:04:59] <beagle13> @LetoThe2nd I read n an article "A module compiled for one kernel won't load if you boot a different kernel unless you enable CONFIG_MODVERSIONS in the kernel" can you tell me what does this implies ..
  • [10:05:17] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: no, have it wrong.
  • [10:05:40] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: a kernel that has CONFIG_MODVERSIONS set will not load a module that will not fir.
  • [10:06:44] <keesj_> "if i compile it in release mode, app work on target" doesn't that suggest it does work on the target?
  • [10:06:57] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: so because your module does not fit, the kernel protects itself by not loading it.
  • [10:06:58] <keesj_> or is he running on the host
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  • [10:08:42] <beagle13> @ LetoThe2nd : Im getting an error as "Module format Invalid" so was trying ways to rectify that.. can you help me on this..
  • [10:09:00] <beagle13> I was trying a cross compilation
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  • [10:13:20] <Quinto> keesj_: if i compile prova_BBB in release mode from Qt it work, if i compile it in debug mode dont work!
  • [10:14:42] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: then probably your toolchain and the kernel sources you use to buld do not match the target. check those and correct them accordingly.
  • [10:14:43] <Quinto> on BBB
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  • [10:16:40] <woglinde> LetoThe2nd or easier use the kernel which he gets from the sources he uses
  • [10:17:05] <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: or even easier still, just compile on the BBB
  • [10:18:07] <woglinde> LetoThe2nd depends on the modul
  • [10:18:18] <keesj_> perhaps the Qt people can help you
  • [10:18:25] <woglinde> host crosscompiling might be still faster
  • [10:19:04] <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: in most cases where people do not know how module versioning works, the compilation time ist not the bottleneck
  • [10:19:17] <LetoThe2nd> (IMHO)
  • [10:21:55] <woglinde> LetoThe2nd in most cases people do not know kernel compiling and flashing at all
  • [10:22:17] <Quinto> keesj_: thanks for patience
  • [10:22:27] <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: exactly.
  • [10:22:47] <woglinde> Quinto check that you have the same qt libs in your sdk and on your target
  • [10:23:13] <beagle13> @ LetoThe2nd : Im very new to Linux and Beaglebone.. Pls dont mind my silly questions ..
  • [10:23:38] <woglinde> Quinto on some distros like oe based Angstroem you need to install -dbg packages to get the debugsymbols
  • [10:24:08] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: its fine, but please actually do read up on stuff if someone gives you pointers or links to documentation here, instead of just asking the same thigns over and over again.
  • [10:24:13] <Quinto> woglinde: you mean when i configure qt libraries?
  • [10:24:37] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: and like i said - just install kernel-dev and kernel-headers on the BBB and compile you module there.
  • [10:24:51] <woglinde> Quinto I do not know what you mean with configure qt libs
  • [10:25:03] <Quinto> what is dbg packets?
  • [10:25:07] <Quinto> how to install it?
  • [10:25:11] <av500> debug symbols
  • [10:25:14] <woglinde> Quinto if you are building qt yourself you can configure qt
  • [10:25:31] <Quinto> ah yes yes
  • [10:25:39] <woglinde> hm looks like quinto does not read well
  • [10:25:40] <beagle13> @ LetoThe2nd : ok ..
  • [10:25:40] <Quinto> but i have a plain C++ without Qt libraries
  • [10:25:45] <av500> so does angstrom come with QT?
  • [10:25:46] <av500> or not?
  • [10:25:55] <woglinde> Quinto you are confused
  • [10:26:08] <av500> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/
  • [10:26:08] <woglinde> Quinto take a 10 minutes pause
  • [10:26:13] <beagle13> Kernel-dev and Kernel-Headers intallation is done already..
  • [10:26:14] <av500> this says, there is lots of qt
  • [10:26:26] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: so, go ahead.
  • [10:26:29] <woglinde> av500 does not mean it works on bbb
  • [10:26:35] <av500> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=libqtgui4
  • [10:26:43] <av500> but on ppc603!
  • [10:26:44] <keesj_> Quinto: what does "file /prova/prova_BBB" tell you and can you use pastebin to print post the output of strace /prova/prova_BBB
  • [10:28:42] <Quinto> woglinde: with dbg
  • [10:28:45] <Quinto> i have 100 packets
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  • [10:33:22] <beagle13> Is that possible to do a straight module compilation in beaglebone instead of cross compilation..
  • [10:33:35] <woglinde> beagle13 yes
  • [10:33:49] <woglinde> install gcc
  • [10:34:07] <woglinde> and the exat revision of source code
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  • [10:36:58] <Quinto> woglinde: what i must install on BBB for debug in Angstrom?
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  • [10:41:25] <woglinde> Quinto the debug symbols
  • [10:42:18] <Quinto> what package is?
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  • [10:44:29] <beagle13> i tried that...This is my Makefile content " make -C /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build M=$(PWD) modules".. but there was no "build" in my "3.8.13-bone20" .. So had to link the "build" to "/usr/lib" where i can see my headerfiles..but even after doing that.. I was unable to compile..
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  • [10:49:45] <phoohb> Eeew.. I tryed to make a wifi-hotspot outof BB. BUT the DebianOS froze/hang, when inserting the usbwifi (Belkin N150).
  • [10:49:52] <LetoThe2nd> build should not link to usr/lib, but to /usr/src/3.8.13, IIRC. moment please.
  • [10:50:09] <phoohb> Almost as Windows useto behave... "ugly"
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  • [10:50:44] <phoohb> question: what is the recomended OS (just ??ngstr??m or what)?
  • [10:51:46] <LetoThe2nd> angstrom and debian probably see the most use, yes.
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  • [10:53:46] <phoohb> There are something wrong with the DeianOS, networking takes time.. and odd interfaces froze/hang the whole device.
  • [10:56:34] <beagle13> @LetoThe2nd : nothing id there under src in my board..thats why I linked like that
  • [10:56:48] <woglinde> beagle13 no header files under /usr/lib
  • [10:56:58] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: just checked. build should link to /usr/src/kernel
  • [10:57:13] <LetoThe2nd> if kernel-dev is installed, everything is there.
  • [11:03:48] <beagle13> Kernel-dev is installed... but src has got nothing under..
  • [11:06:16] <LetoThe2nd> then you're doing to wrong (TM)
  • [11:06:26] <LetoThe2nd> i just verified with a fresh install.
  • [11:07:38] <beagle13> whta i did for kernel dev is : "sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-de* "
  • [11:07:50] <LetoThe2nd> on your host?!?
  • [11:08:07] <beagle13> beaglebone..
  • [11:08:08] <LetoThe2nd> i am *always* talking about the BBB itself
  • [11:08:16] <LetoThe2nd> and i am talking about stock angstrom.
  • [11:08:37] <beagle13> mine is ubuntu..
  • [11:08:46] <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: so, beginner or not - you really could've mentioned that you are NOT running the standard.
  • [11:09:11] <LetoThe2nd> then, ask the source whoever gave you the ubuntu to also give you the headers.
  • [11:09:22] * LetoThe2nd is out of this, then.
  • [11:10:34] <beagle13> Im a beginner only..doing all these with the help of frnds .. they said angstrom has got few limitation.. so they asked to use ubuntu..
  • [11:11:23] <LetoThe2nd> i don't care, to be honest - i just feel like i wasted a lot of time and effort just because you didn't tell me what you are doing.
  • [11:11:45] <LetoThe2nd> i told you to install "kernel-dev" - i did NOT tell you to install "linux-kernel-de*"
  • [11:12:17] <LetoThe2nd> if you had told me that you were ignoring what i told you earlier, i could've done something useful. anyways.
  • [11:12:24] <LetoThe2nd> good luck than. i'm out.
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  • [11:12:59] <beagle13> This is what i get when i do kernel dev "sudo apt-get install kernel-dev [sudo] password for ubuntu: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package kernel-dev
  • [11:13:48] <LetoThe2nd> i know. blame ubuntu. blame yourselg for not listening. blame whoever. i'm off for lunch. have a nice day, everyone.
  • [11:17:24] <ogra_> uh, why dont you just follow ubuntu documentation when using ubuntu ?
  • [11:18:36] * ogra_ points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ARMKernelCrossCompile and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel in case you dont want a cross build
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  • [11:46:05] <woglinde> ogra because nobody here get paid for chattting
  • [11:46:28] <ogra_> why would that have anything to do with payment ?
  • [11:47:07] <ogra_> if i use a fedora image i will read fedora docs ... using gentoo i'll read gentoo docs ... kind of seems logical to me
  • [11:48:31] <fra> hy
  • [11:49:41] <fra> I have installed , on my BBB, opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
  • [11:50:26] <fra> at the end, I view: WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/3.8.13/modules.order: No such file or directory WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/3.8.13/modules.builtin: No such file or directory Collected errors: * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-embedded: * kernel-image-3.2.30 *
  • [11:50:50] <fra> my kernel is: 3.8.13
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  • [11:57:06] <fra> where is the problem?
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  • [12:19:10] <woglinde> fra do no know why qt includes kernel header
  • [12:19:13] <woglinde> not
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  • [12:46:12] <mikethemis> Can someone tell me where I can find information about whether BeagleBone Black's ethernet port is electrically isolated? I want to know if it is, and I cannot find any information.
  • [12:47:43] <KotH> it is isolated
  • [12:47:45] <KotH> it has to be
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  • [12:50:05] <besoft> hello
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  • [12:50:55] <mikethemis> @KotH: thank you for your help. Why so you say it HAS to be? Do you know where I can find more informatoin? eg it is isolated up to how many VDC?
  • [12:52:11] <KotH> the way ethernet is defined by the standard requires electrical isolation
  • [12:52:37] <besoft> helo all
  • [12:52:44] <besoft> i need help
  • [12:52:48] <besoft> with bbb
  • [12:52:58] <KotH> it would be theoretical possible to do it without magnetics, but that would be more difficult on the electronics side
  • [12:53:05] <woglinde> hi koth
  • [12:53:09] <KotH> salut woglinde
  • [12:53:26] <KotH> woglinde: btw: wie war eigentlich der WAF der schokolade? :)
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  • [12:53:42] <dinesh_> hello
  • [12:53:58] <besoft> hello
  • [12:54:25] <woglinde> KotH tasty
  • [12:54:33] <KotH> woglinde: :-)
  • [12:54:34] <dinesh_> i am new to embedded world
  • [12:54:36] <woglinde> I shared it with my family
  • [12:54:43] <woglinde> dinesh we all were
  • [12:54:48] <KotH> i still am
  • [12:54:53] <woglinde> and we needed years to get a sane level
  • [12:54:53] <dinesh_> want to start learning with beagle board
  • [12:55:16] <KotH> besoft: if you want an answer, you should star by asking questions ;)
  • [12:55:28] <dinesh_> could you suggest which i can take
  • [12:55:33] <besoft> aha..ok..:-)
  • [12:55:35] <KotH> dinesh_: 1) learn linux
  • [12:55:38] <KotH> dinesh_: 2) try
  • [12:55:41] <KotH> dinesh_: 3) fail
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  • [12:55:44] <KotH> dinesh_: 4) try again
  • [12:55:50] <KotH> dinesh_: 5) goto 2
  • [12:56:03] <dinesh_> i know linux
  • [12:56:26] <dinesh_> want to start with boards
  • [12:56:33] <KotH> dinesh_: same difference
  • [12:56:36] <dinesh_> which is good to start
  • [12:56:40] <dinesh_> on RTOS
  • [12:56:47] <KotH> dinesh_: look something you want to build, build it, learn
  • [12:57:00] <KotH> dinesh_: RTOS is a different beast, and linux isnt an RTOS
  • [12:57:14] <KotH> dinesh_: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/157
  • [12:57:36] <dinesh_> yeah i want to port any RTOS on beagle start with it developing some apllications
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  • [12:59:10] <besoft> today i recive a BBB ..I'm sorry, I'm not good at writing in English
  • [13:00:19] <besoft> I could not load the drivers get an error that the version of the language is not correct
  • [13:00:44] <besoft> i use win7
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  • [13:02:01] <besoft> If I have understood correctly, it's loaded with the new BBB distribution?
  • [13:02:17] <woglinde> besoft install linux more fun more insight how stuff working and drivers working out of the box
  • [13:02:59] <mikethemis> @KotH thank you again. So you say all ethernet ports in all devices are indeed electrically isolated to 1500VDC (since it is in the ethernet definition) ?
  • [13:03:27] <KotH> mikethemis: i dont know what the voltage level is required, but there is some isolation, yes
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  • [13:03:51] <besoft> also with the BBB want to get to know linux
  • [13:04:10] <av500> besoft: its a know error, google for it and you will find a solution
  • [13:04:17] <av500> somwething about editing the INF file
  • [13:04:44] <besoft> ok..thanks for tip
  • [13:04:53] <woglinde> re av500
  • [13:05:03] <woglinde> evil old editing inf files
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  • [13:06:08] <mikethemis> @KotH Do you know where I can find more information (like the voltage level)? Beagleboard.org seems to have no information on the matter.
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  • [13:08:11] <Guest83729> hello guys, can i port RT-linux on beagleboard black
  • [13:09:04] <SpeedEvil> First thing is to think if the PRUs will better serve your purpose.
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  • [13:09:27] <KotH> mikethemis: ieee 802 standards
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  • [13:10:33] <Guest83729> hello can i port vx-works or rt-linux on beagleboard black
  • [13:11:40] <keesj_> Nobody will stop you
  • [13:11:56] <Rotti> isn't linuxcnc using some rt stuff?
  • [13:12:07] <Rotti> there is an image somewhere...
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  • [13:12:29] <keesj_> I think most of the RT stuff is mainline. but we have the pru for hard readtime stuff.
  • [13:12:36] <Quinto> if i want use USB for read/write from a device i need some di??river for enable USB/Serial port?
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  • [13:12:52] <Quinto> i have a device USB but when i read, i dont read nothing!
  • [13:13:51] <keesj_> Rotti: this stuff http://bb-lcnc.blogspot.nl/ ?
  • [13:15:02] <mikethemis> @KotH ok, thank you again for your time.
  • [13:15:10] <Rotti> keesj_: i have no idea... just saw a few days ago the list of linux images for the bbb and saw linuxcnc somewhere ;)
  • [13:16:38] <fra> hello all
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  • [13:17:52] <keesj_> I will start a kids code & make space in two weeks from now. and I am currently working on a simple cnc machine for that purpose
  • [13:17:58] <Quinto> is a FTDI Device
  • [13:19:01] <keesj_> chocolate CNC. I don't know yet if I will use the BBB for that. arduino is also very tempting.
  • [13:19:19] <ashu> how to port linux on beagle bone black, any link
  • [13:21:09] <av500> its ported already
  • [13:21:19] <av500> beaglebone.org
  • [13:21:24] <av500> http://beaglebone.org
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  • [13:22:20] <ashu> i mean from scratch? step by step with mlo, uboot and kernel
  • [13:23:18] <av500> still you dont mean porting
  • [13:23:22] <av500> you mean compiling
  • [13:23:23] <av500> installing
  • [13:23:26] <av500> copying files
  • [13:23:32] <av500> and stop PM'ingme
  • [13:23:36] <ashu> yes
  • [13:24:28] * KotH hands av500 some chocolate
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  • [13:25:49] <fra> I just tried to install qt4-embedded on the BBB, and I received the following error:
  • [13:25:59] <fra> > Collected errors: > * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-embedded: > * kernel-image-3.2.30 * > * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package qt4-embedded.
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  • [13:26:07] <fra> why?
  • [13:26:27] <fra> I have 3.8.13, kernel relase
  • [13:28:16] <KotH> *sigh*
  • [13:28:17] <jonpry> why does everybody want to run qt on beaglebone?
  • [13:28:36] <av500> because gtk sucks more
  • [13:28:40] <KotH> jonpry: the more important question is, why do people think that every problem they have is related to their kernel?
  • [13:29:04] <KotH> av500: is there any usable toolkit out there that doesnt suck?
  • [13:29:13] <KotH> av500: or even sucks less than qt?
  • [13:29:51] <keesj_> qt's not bad, Android is not bad
  • [13:30:14] <KotH> android is not a toolkit
  • [13:30:32] <keesj_> right.
  • [13:30:35] <KotH> i dont know yet what android is supposed to be, but it's definilty not a mere toolkit
  • [13:33:01] <av500> android is an ad delivery platform
  • [13:33:16] <ogra_> +1
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  • [13:33:33] <av500> its also a mobile phone user space and assorted kernel patches
  • [13:33:38] <keesj_> to me it's a nice solution to the problems 90% of the people here have ( open source , good development tools, documentation ).
  • [13:34:45] <jonpry> if by opensource you mean binary blob central
  • [13:35:03] <keesj_> but perhaps the problem is different (e.g. beaglebone and the default software on it doesn't match what people expect from it)
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  • [13:35:56] <keesj_> jonpry: why do you say that?
  • [13:36:21] <jonpry> android is all BSD license
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  • [13:36:36] <jonpry> so all the devices ship without source for whatever the vendor modified
  • [13:37:00] <jonpry> which tends to be like radio code, libaudio, libcamera
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  • [13:40:20] <woglinde> jonpry not all bsd
  • [13:40:29] <keesj_> but that shoudd not hold for the beagle right (assuming we would have a 3d driver)
  • [13:40:35] <woglinde> or what exactly you mean with android
  • [13:40:41] <woglinde> bioniclibc?
  • [13:40:52] <keesj_> right we should talk about ASOP
  • [13:40:53] <woglinde> zygote?
  • [13:40:56] <jonpry> frameworks
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  • [13:41:31] <woglinde> and even some is apache license
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  • [13:42:22] <woglinde> and even yet google can not provide a sane emulator image for testing google maps api v2
  • [13:42:56] <woglinde> when they update google play they always forget or are not able to update the emulator image too
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  • [13:43:57] <av500> can your beagle do this? http://makezineblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/arduino-freeform.jpg
  • [13:44:24] <keesj_> wow
  • [13:44:55] <keesj_> I would need to put a working device into some weird acid
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  • [13:45:52] <KotH> keesj_: you dont need weird acid
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  • [13:46:02] <KotH> keesj_: but you can be sure it wont be working afterwards
  • [13:46:26] <KotH> woglinde: different group
  • [13:46:44] <KotH> woglinde: google is basically a collection of one-man-shows and small groups that work totally independent
  • [13:46:59] <KotH> woglinde: they even have pissing contests from time to time
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  • [13:49:14] <keesj_> http://www.bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts/
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  • [14:02:08] <keesj_> But on a more serious note. would it be hard to get a working qt install on the BBB.
  • [14:02:29] <av500> jkridner: ^^^^
  • [14:02:34] <av500> why haz no qt?
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  • [14:03:04] <woglinde> it has
  • [14:03:11] <woglinde> but something drags in kernel-headers
  • [14:03:15] <jkridner> doesn't it? qt is easy and was done on Beagle/Angstrom before. More of a Koen question.
  • [14:03:32] <KotH> jkridner: rule #3?
  • [14:03:48] <woglinde> -> 14:25 < fra> > Collected errors: > * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-embedded: > * kernel-image-3.2.30
  • [14:03:58] <woglinde> but I might know what is
  • [14:04:00] <woglinde> gles stuff
  • [14:04:15] <woglinde> which is pinned to 3.2 kernel
  • [14:04:22] <woglinde> so hm
  • [14:04:28] <woglinde> qt packages are useless for bbb
  • [14:04:30] <KotH> life sucks, then you use qt
  • [14:04:31] <keesj_> libc headers used to drag in sanitised kernel header(for some config related stuff) I don't know if this is also the case on OE
  • [14:04:34] <woglinde> qt-e at least
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  • [14:05:00] <woglinde> keesj thats something else
  • [14:05:10] <fra> in my BBB after, opkg update, fault all, becouse finished space in eMMC
  • [14:05:16] <fra> reflashing all
  • [14:05:32] <woglinde> fra try qt-x11
  • [14:05:38] <woglinde> instead of qt-e
  • [14:06:24] <fra> woglinde: after reflash, I try
  • [14:07:03] <fra> first, I have setup, with: opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
  • [14:07:19] <av500> jkridner: dunno if you noticed, but there is a 100% lack of koen in this channel
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  • [14:07:26] <fra> but, at the end> opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
  • [14:07:47] <fra> sorry, Collected errors: * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-embedded: * kernel-image-3.2.30 * * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package qt4-embedded.
  • [14:08:00] <ogra_> av500, he is next door in #linaro though ... in case you want to summon him
  • [14:08:03] <fra> now, all fault, reload all
  • [14:08:18] <av500> ogra_: I don't
  • [14:08:26] <fra> why this error?
  • [14:08:34] <woglinde> fra check the log
  • [14:08:57] <woglinde> I explainded it some lines above
  • [14:09:26] <fra> yes, I view
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  • [14:09:38] <woglinde> so why are you asking it again
  • [14:11:12] <fra> woglinde: for setup with -e, how I try?
  • [14:11:32] <fra> opkg install qt4-x11 --force-depends?
  • [14:13:29] <woglinde> opkg install qt4-x11
  • [14:13:39] <woglinde> unless you are know what you are doing
  • [14:15:06] <fra> woglinde: I try to install, qt4, I view the video by derek molloy...
  • [14:15:18] <fra> In my case, non work correcly
  • [14:16:15] <fra> now, I reflashing the eMMC
  • [14:16:25] <fra> and try again
  • [14:17:29] <woglinde> who the hell is derek molloy?
  • [14:17:48] <woglinde> and why he doesnt know qt-e with gles support will not work on bbb
  • [14:18:31] <fra> http://derekmolloy.ie/beaglebone/qt-with-embedded-linux-on-the-beaglebone/
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  • [14:27:21] <fra> woglinde: if I try with opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
  • [14:27:35] <fra> bypass the proble of gles?
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  • [14:29:17] <hyperparanoid> Hello everyone
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  • [14:33:30] <ghazaei> hi all
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  • [14:34:11] <Quinto> Hi, i have bought expansion board for BBB with Serial Port
  • [14:34:23] <Quinto> what dev is? tty????
  • [14:35:16] <Quinto> ttyS0?
  • [14:35:48] <hyperparanoid> I got an issue when my Beaglebone is running - sometimes the background of the Angstrom desktop comes up green. But before it was fine, and I'm wondering if when the device fills up its Flash, it needs a lot more juice for paging files or whatever, thus the HDMI-VGA converter can't survive on the 500mAh from the USB port it's connected to. Other times the monitor runs just fine.
  • [14:35:50] <ghazaei> i just conected bb for the first time what to do next?
  • [14:35:56] <hyperparanoid> SORRY to interrupt...
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  • [14:38:04] <hyperparanoid> hey Quinto can't you compare 'ls /dev/tty*' withj the expansion board disconnected/connected?
  • [14:38:22] <Quinto> ok
  • [14:38:43] <Quinto> is same!
  • [14:39:07] * hyperparanoid is stumped
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  • [14:39:45] <av500> just plugging the cape does nothing
  • [14:39:56] <Quinto> but i must enable serial port?
  • [14:40:04] <av500> you must load a DT Fragment
  • [14:40:07] <av500> to enable it
  • [14:40:28] <Quinto> how?
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  • [14:43:23] <Quinto> av500:
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  • [14:46:29] <hyperparanoid> Hey guys I got me two beaglebones and I#m delighted with them, but I thought to make connecting to the internet more secure I could throw a Cubieboard into the mix, just to keep the sickos guessing. However when it arrived, I see there is an IR receiver. Now I've heard plenty of folk talking about 'direct line of vision' and such. Could life really be so simple????? I would be overjoyed if anyone could answer this agonising q
  • [14:46:48] <hyperparanoid> Ooops I missed the key point
  • [14:47:08] <hyperparanoid> How can I secure that IR thing...like stop it completely?
  • [14:48:00] <hyperparanoid> I had probs disabling wifi/Bluetooth on Intel stuff before
  • [14:48:13] <jonand> desolder it
  • [14:48:40] <Quinto> How enable serial port UART2 on BeagleBone RS232 Cape?
  • [14:48:49] <hyperparanoid> a gut just offered that...is that absolutely necessary? I'm perfectly willing, but it won't screw the board up will it?
  • [14:48:58] <hyperparanoid> a guy*...
  • [14:49:08] <ogra_> use tape
  • [14:49:12] <jonand> or put it in a metal box (painted with IR paint
  • [14:49:26] <jonand> most tape is pretty transparent in NIR...
  • [14:49:39] <jonand> e.g. electrical tape is totally transparent
  • [14:50:24] <jonand> (feeding the paranoia I am)
  • [14:50:27] <hyperparanoid> so IR hacks are perfectly feasible...
  • [14:50:44] <hyperparanoid> hey thanks, its good to know there are some other people on the same planet out there.
  • [14:51:05] <hyperparanoid> sick to death of getting projects messed up when i get to the Internet Explorer optimization stage
  • [14:51:19] <Quinto> where is uEnv.txt on BeagleBoard?
  • [14:51:42] <KotH> hyperparanoid: do you believe in badBIOS?
  • [14:51:52] <hyperparanoid> SSH into it, it's there on the root file that shows up on the Desktop
  • [14:52:05] <KotH> hyperparanoid: if so, you have to desolder anything that can pick up acoustic or electromagnetic waves
  • [14:52:06] <hyperparanoid> is that like an update to LinuxBIOS/COreboot etc?
  • [14:52:48] <KotH> you dont know about badBIOS?
  • [14:52:48] <hyperparanoid> well sure, but once the IR is gone it's gonna hardly be worth the effort to hack into a Beaglebone, is it?
  • [14:52:48] <av500> Quinto: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_and_the_3.8_Kernel
  • [14:52:49] <ogra_> KotH, oh, is BadBIOS a religion now ? :)
  • [14:53:00] <KotH> hyperparanoid: you should definitly google it!
  • [14:53:03] <av500> Quinto: also, please do some research on your own
  • [14:53:08] <KotH> ogra_: it always was
  • [14:53:12] <ogra_> heh
  • [14:53:31] <Quinto> look here: http://blog.pignology.net/2013/05/getting-uart2-devttyo1-working-on.html
  • [14:53:37] <Quinto> i can edit uEnv.txt
  • [14:53:41] <Quinto> if i find it
  • [14:53:49] <Quinto> where is uEnv.txt?
  • [14:53:56] <hyperparanoid> OK I'll look into that stuff...maybe I just need to get a bit deeper into the security thing
  • [14:54:06] <KotH> ogra_: i'm not as old as av500, but i've seen a lot. and a system to hack into a computer using ultrasonic waves was not something i've even heard about
  • [14:54:23] <av500> Quinto: on the emmc
  • [14:54:26] <av500> in the boot partition
  • [14:54:30] <KotH> hyperparanoid: learn linux, networking in general and what security means
  • [14:54:31] <Quinto> there isnt
  • [14:54:39] <KotH> hyperparanoid: then you'll be a lot more relaxed about that IR thing
  • [14:54:42] <av500> Quinto: then load the fragment by hand
  • [14:54:46] <ogra_> KotH, but if you are that old you should know that it is a theoretical possibility :)
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  • [14:55:05] <Quinto> how?
  • [14:55:12] <hyperparanoid> hey what do you what security means? like it's a relative concpet/impossible? or what?
  • [14:55:12] <ogra_> (assumed that your speakers can do ultrasonic you dont hear)
  • [14:55:21] <av500> what IR?
  • [14:55:25] <av500> are we talking about?
  • [14:55:31] <hyperparanoid> IR on a cubieboard
  • [14:55:35] <av500> ah
  • [14:55:37] <KotH> ogra_: hehe...yes, theoretically it's possible to build a system that can be hacked using ultrasonic waves
  • [14:55:42] <av500> Quinto: read the damn link
  • [14:55:47] <av500> dont ask how all the time
  • [14:55:53] <KotH> ogra_: unfortunately, a standard pc does not have the hardware for that kind of trick
  • [14:55:58] <ogra_> yeah
  • [14:56:13] <ogra_> and rarely speakers that go up high enough ...
  • [14:56:29] <KotH> if a pc speaker goes up to 15kHz, that's already a lot
  • [14:56:35] <ogra_> you would have to use a bandwith where it is still audible
  • [14:56:44] <KotH> (real speaker that is, the piezzo thingies go up that far)
  • [14:56:47] <hyperparanoid> I looked up the inet/xinet, iptables, etc etc, but a IR vuln would mean the board was effectively unusable right? Unless I wanted a system I couldn't secure, in which case I might as well use Intel
  • [14:57:09] <KotH> ogra_: the pickup is the real problem. no microphone i know go over 20kHz
  • [14:57:23] <KotH> ogra_: unless specified for ultrasonics
  • [14:57:27] <av500> wtf is an IR vuln?
  • [14:57:35] <ogra_> yeah
  • [14:57:36] <KotH> av500: BadBIOS using IRDA
  • [14:57:42] <av500> for what?
  • [14:57:42] <hyperparanoid> An IR receiver
  • [14:57:48] <av500> yes
  • [14:57:49] <Quinto> av500: sorry
  • [14:57:52] <av500> my TV has one
  • [14:57:53] <ogra_> av500, replicating itself
  • [14:57:53] <av500> so?
  • [14:57:59] <av500> how exactly?
  • [14:58:08] <av500> over philips RC5 codes?
  • [14:58:15] <KotH> hehe
  • [14:58:19] <av500> must have missed the xploit bit in the spec
  • [14:58:34] * ogra_ grins
  • [14:58:36] <hyperparanoid> OK maybe I'm being overly cautious on this one...
  • [14:58:52] <av500> so, how does a system with an unused IR port get infected?
  • [14:58:54] <fra> @av500: you can help me_
  • [14:59:17] <KotH> av500: BadBIOS!!!!1!!!einself
  • [14:59:32] <suihkulokki> ..has the badbios findings been even independently verified?
  • [14:59:38] <av500> of course not
  • [14:59:41] <hyperparanoid> It might be set to listen at intervals or something...
  • [14:59:44] <av500> that would spoil the fun
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  • [14:59:50] <av500> listen at what?
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  • [15:00:24] <av500> and who would even care to write a hack for a cubieboard?
  • [15:00:27] <KotH> av500: mind control signals from russian satelites
  • [15:00:31] <av500> ah these
  • [15:00:33] <av500> I hear these
  • [15:00:37] <av500> loud and clear
  • [15:01:49] <KotH> seriously, i've heard about people who can hear wifi signals
  • [15:01:56] <KotH> must be a serious PITA
  • [15:02:59] <hyperparanoid> ok i'll look into that airgap stuff...looks very enlightening...so anyway, how hackable is that IR receiver hahaha
  • [15:03:21] <hyperparanoid> thanks guys for your help
  • [15:03:29] <hyperparanoid> and gals too of course
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  • [15:03:46] * KotH shakes head
  • [15:03:53] * KotH shakes mrpacket_
  • [15:04:02] * KotH tries to shake av500 as well, but fails
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  • [15:06:31] <kblin> hyperparanoid: put your boards in a vacuum, and voila, no airgap
  • [15:06:45] <av500> put them in molted lead
  • [15:07:00] <kblin> that also helps, I guess
  • [15:09:02] <TooLmaN> Hi guys. I can successfully compile kernels on my Linux Mint laptop using the instructions at http://elinux.org/Building_BBB_Kernel. I setup an Ubuntu VM at work to compile them faster but I get a make stop "no target to make" error when running "make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- uImage-dtb.am335x-boneblack". I have u-boot tools installed. Any ideas? Thanks
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  • [15:10:12] <TooLmaN> the make statement for uImage dts runs just fine
  • [15:10:22] <Quinto02> av500: you mean: dtc -O dtb -o BB-FOO-01-00A0.dtbo -b 0 -@ BB-FOO-01-00A0.dts
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  • [15:10:53] <av500> thats the compile step
  • [15:10:58] <av500> not the loading step
  • [15:12:42] <Quinto02> i have in /lib/firmware BB-UART2-00A0.dtbo and BB-UART2-00A0.dts
  • [15:13:29] <Quinto02> i must only enabled it?
  • [15:13:34] <Quinto02> with echo BB-FOO-01 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots
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  • [15:19:51] <Quinto02> av500: i have error
  • [15:20:09] <Quinto02> echo BB-UART2-00A0 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots
  • [15:20:34] <Quinto02> -sh: echo: write error: No such file or directory
  • [15:21:15] <KotH> Quinto02: google exists
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  • [15:21:23] <Quinto02> yes
  • [15:21:31] <Kernle> Heyho
  • [15:22:20] <Quinto02> but i want load serial port on my Capes, in /lib/firmware i have BB-UART2-00A0.dtbo and BB-UART2-00A0.dts
  • [15:22:59] <KotH> Quinto02: google exists
  • [15:23:21] <Quinto02> i dont find nothing on google!
  • [15:23:27] <Quinto02> if no i dont ask here
  • [15:24:32] <Quinto02> if you can help me plz...
  • [15:24:54] <KotH> _where_ is your problem?
  • [15:25:31] <KotH> it looks like that you apply the windows rule of clicking wildly on anything that moves to solve a problem
  • [15:25:41] <KotH> unfortunately, this does not work on a unix
  • [15:25:47] <KotH> much less on an embedded system
  • [15:25:53] <KotH> you actually need to understand what you are doing
  • [15:26:53] <Quinto02> i want enable Uart2
  • [15:27:07] <Quinto02> and i have DT
  • [15:27:13] <Quinto02> that is in /lib/firmware
  • [15:27:23] <Quinto02> but when i enable it dont work
  • [15:27:38] <Kernle> Stupid question - quickest way to install XBMC on a BBB for evaluation purposes?
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  • [15:29:02] <KotH> Quinto02: 1) how do you enable it?
  • [15:29:17] <KotH> Quinto02: 2) how did you verify that the command does what you think it does
  • [15:29:28] <KotH> Quinto02: 3) what makes you think it does not work?
  • [15:29:41] <KotH> Kernle: dont
  • [15:29:47] <KotH> Kernle: you will not like what you get
  • [15:29:59] <Quinto02> 1) echo BB-UART2-00A0 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots
  • [15:30:02] <KotH> Kernle: the bbb is bad at decoding HD videos realtime (ie it doesnt)
  • [15:30:29] <Quinto02> 2) i have this error: -sh: echo: write error: No such file or directory
  • [15:30:58] <Quinto02> 3) i dont know
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  • [15:32:09] <KotH> Quinto02: do you understand what the error message says?
  • [15:32:24] <Quinto02> yes
  • [15:32:31] <Quinto02> no such file or directory
  • [15:32:36] <Quinto02> but it exist
  • [15:33:13] <KotH> it does?
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  • [15:33:17] <KotH> how did you verify it?
  • [15:33:28] <KotH> because your shell clearly says that it does not
  • [15:33:31] <Quinto02> infact: root@beaglebone:/sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9# cat slots
  • [15:33:31] <Quinto02> 1: 55:PF---
  • [15:33:31] <Quinto02> 2: 56:PF---
  • [15:33:32] <Quinto02> 3: 57:PF---
  • [15:33:32] <Quinto02> 4: ff:P-O-L Bone-LT-eMMC-2G,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G
  • [15:33:32] <Quinto02> 5: ff:P-O-L Bone-Black-HDMI,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONELT-HDMI
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  • [15:34:12] <KotH> eh..
  • [15:34:26] <KotH> could it be that your shell does not support wildcard expansion?
  • [15:34:59] <Quinto02> but is BeagleBone Black Expansion RS232
  • [15:35:02] <Quinto02> on my BBB
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  • [15:35:17] <KotH> do you know what "shell" means?
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  • [15:35:47] <fra> hi
  • [15:35:47] <KotH> let me rephrase that question
  • [15:35:53] <KotH> do you know what shell you are using?
  • [15:36:01] <av500> as currency?
  • [15:36:31] <KotH> i always knew that germany is behind the times
  • [15:36:36] <Quinto02> sh
  • [15:36:42] <Quinto02> ps -p $$
  • [15:36:45] <KotH> or did you finally choose something that is more stable than euro? ;)
  • [15:36:55] <KotH> Quinto02: yes, but what is sh?
  • [15:37:22] <KotH> Quinto02: bash? csh? ash? bsd sh? original at&t sh?
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  • [15:38:04] <Quinto02> i dont know i view 529 pts/0 00:00:00 sh
  • [15:38:09] <av500> busybox
  • [15:38:22] * ogra_ prefers unleaded shell ...
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  • [15:38:34] <TooLmaN> What would cause "make: *** No rule to make target `uImage-dtb.am335x-boneblack'. Stop." when running "make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- uImage-dtb.am335x-boneblack"? I can successfully run the "uImage dts" and "modules" compile statements, but the BBB kernel statement fails.
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  • [15:38:52] <Quinto02> KotH: i have original image of Angstrom on BBB
  • [15:40:24] <TooLmaN> hold that thought, I just got called to a meeting. bbiab
  • [15:40:53] <KotH> av500: does busybox sh support wildcard expansion?
  • [15:41:20] <ogra_> heh, yes
  • [15:41:28] <ogra_> it is POSIX
  • [15:41:38] <ogra_> or at least close ...
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  • [15:43:08] <Quinto02> KotH: and how change shell?
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  • [15:43:50] <agmlego> Quinto02: Type 'bash', hit enter.
  • [15:44:55] <Quinto02> ok but i have same error with bash
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  • [15:45:10] <Quinto02> bash: echo: write error: No such file or directory
  • [15:45:13] <Quinto02> :(
  • [15:45:17] <Quinto02> some help?
  • [15:45:34] <fra> In BBB, after opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends, @ the end: opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
  • [15:45:42] <fra> WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/3.8.13/modules.order: No such file or directory WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/3.8.13/modules.builtin: No such file or directory Collected errors: * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-embedded: * kernel-image-3.2.30 *
  • [15:46:03] <ogra_> fra, any reason why you use --force-* ?
  • [15:46:21] <Quinto02> and here: http://blog.pignology.net/2013/05/getting-uart2-devttyo1-working-on.html but i dont have uEnv.txt file on BBB
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  • [15:46:49] <agmlego> Quinto02: Why not get rid of the wildcard and just use the full path?
  • [15:46:52] <ogra_> (using --force-* options with a packaging system is almost always wrong)
  • [15:47:17] <fra> ogra_: becouse, if I use opkg install qt4-embedded , don't wok
  • [15:48:17] <Quinto02> agmlego: echo /lib/firmware/BB-UART2-00A0 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots i have same error :(
  • [15:48:31] <ogra_> fra, i think woglinde already explained to you that you cant use that package ... use qt.x11
  • [15:48:37] <ogra_> *qt-x11
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  • [15:49:27] <Quinto02> but where is uEnv.txt on eMMC?
  • [15:49:35] <Quinto02> in /media/BEAGLEBONE there isnt
  • [15:50:06] <fra> ogra_: I can try now, with qt-x11
  • [15:50:14] <av500> I guess a stock install does not have uenv
  • [15:50:19] <av500> its not needed
  • [15:51:03] <Quinto02> and how resolve this problem?
  • [15:51:21] <woglinde> fra maybee its easier to use ubuntu
  • [15:51:25] <woglinde> for you
  • [15:51:35] <woglinde> there you can install qt without hassle
  • [15:51:45] <ogra_> i dont think ubuntu has qt-e though
  • [15:51:53] <woglinde> hm
  • [15:52:00] <Quinto02> i can create a uEnv.txt?
  • [15:52:10] <ogra_> but yeah at least it is properly built agaionst mesa-dev
  • [15:52:11] <agmlego> Quinto02: ...do you know what a wildcard character is?
  • [15:52:27] <Kernle> KotH: I thought so, but I need to evalute it nevertheless as part of a university project ;-)
  • [15:52:34] <woglinde> last way would be to compile an oe/angstroem image self
  • [15:52:45] <woglinde> which would have a newer qt too
  • [15:52:56] <Quinto02> agmlego: REV A1
  • [15:53:09] <KotH> Kernle: "real problems are too hard to solve, lets create some artificial problems and solve them"
  • [15:53:13] <agmlego> Quinto02: ...what.
  • [15:53:15] <Quinto02> RS232 Cape Rev A1
  • [15:53:28] <agmlego> Quinto02: ...what.
  • [15:53:42] <Quinto02> where i must view?
  • [15:53:54] <fra> woglinde: if now run opkg install qt4-embedded, the result is:Package qt4-embedded (4.8.1-r50.1.3) installed in root is up to date.
  • [15:54:02] <Kernle> KotH: Pff ;-) Nah, its a comparision between a BBB and RaspBerry Pi in different diciplines.
  • [15:54:11] <woglinde> fra good
  • [15:54:15] <Quinto02> agmlego: what is character?
  • [15:54:19] <KotH> Kernle: oh.. i can tell you what that will be
  • [15:54:27] <ogra_> Kernle, who asked you to do that ... thats like someone asking you to evaluate a 30ton truck as a racing car
  • [15:54:33] <KotH> Kernle: rpi excells when it comes to graphics and video stuff, but sucks at everything else
  • [15:54:49] <fra> woglinde: first I have run opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
  • [15:54:51] <woglinde> fra but it might not work when qt using any gles function
  • [15:54:53] <agmlego> Quinto02: A character is any single symbol. The letter A is a character, for example.
  • [15:54:59] <Quinto02> yes
  • [15:55:07] <Quinto02> but where i view Charater of my Cape?
  • [15:55:10] <ogra_> woglinde, unless it was properly built against mesa ;)
  • [15:55:17] <Kernle> Yeah... well the next dicipline is android. In think that will be one point for BBB ;-)
  • [15:55:28] <Kernle> As there isn't even a stable port for RPi...
  • [15:55:38] <woglinde> ogra hm I think koen builded it against the sgx gles driver
  • [15:55:46] <ogra_> right
  • [15:55:49] <agmlego> Quinto02: A "wildcard" character is a symbol used by your shell to expand a path or argument. In your case, you have the wildcard character * in your capemgr path. Try removing that and replacing it with the actual path in /sys.
  • [15:55:52] <ogra_> which adds this kernel dep
  • [15:55:57] <woglinde> yepp
  • [15:56:03] <agmlego> Quinto02: This has absolutely nothing to do with your cape.
  • [15:56:13] <ogra_> but the gles api is standardized, mesa-dev should suffice
  • [15:56:13] <agmlego> Quinto02: This is basic POSIX shell stuff.
  • [15:56:26] <ogra_> (the egl bits indeed)
  • [15:56:31] <woglinde> ogra yes yes
  • [15:56:36] <Quinto02> ahh
  • [15:56:45] <Quinto02> i alredy doing
  • [15:56:49] <Quinto02> this
  • [15:56:59] <woglinde> but when qt has hardcoded paths to the sgx drivers it does not help
  • [15:57:09] <ogra_> right
  • [15:57:09] <agmlego> Quinto02: Except you are not.
  • [15:57:15] <fra> woglinde: sorry, for my insistence ,what I 'was already' mentioned, but how and 'possible that others have installed?
  • [15:57:40] <Quinto02> you mean .9?
  • [15:57:49] <agmlego> Quinto02: You explictly said you were running "echo BB-UART2-00A0 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots"
  • [15:57:53] <agmlego> Quinto02: Right, exactly.
  • [15:57:59] <Quinto02> yes yes
  • [15:58:07] <Quinto02> echo BB-UART2-00A0 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots"
  • [15:58:10] <Quinto02> i hsave same error
  • [15:58:11] <agmlego> Yes.
  • [15:58:18] <woglinde> fra what?
  • [15:58:22] <Quinto02> bash: echo: write error: No such file or directory
  • [15:58:43] <agmlego> Quinto02: Wait, why is that " character there?
  • [15:58:49] <fra> woglinde:Preview, I have mentioned, derek molloy, in your video, on youtube, I view the setup on BBB
  • [15:59:00] <Quinto02> no i have copy from you
  • [15:59:07] <Quinto02> echo BB-UART2-00A0 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots
  • [15:59:42] <fra> woglinde:I'm sorry if I mention people who are not chatting
  • [15:59:49] <woglinde> fra than asked derek molloy
  • [16:00:03] <woglinde> he seems to know what to do
  • [16:00:08] <agmlego> Quinto02: Did that work, without the quote?
  • [16:00:47] <woglinde> fra write him a comment on youtube and he may answer you
  • [16:01:08] <Quinto02> agmlego: root@beaglebone:~# echo BB-UART2-00A0 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots -sh: echo: write error: No such file or directory
  • [16:01:38] <jkridner> Quinto02: probably want to leave off the -00A0
  • [16:01:43] <fra> woglinde: very nice, I just said that he did it, but I did not say that it can, do so only he
  • [16:01:50] <Quinto02> is possible that error is
  • [16:01:54] <jkridner> also, use .* instead of .9
  • [16:01:54] <Quinto02> i have revA1
  • [16:02:01] <Quinto02> and DT is 00A0
  • [16:02:05] <Quinto02> is possible this?
  • [16:02:11] <Quinto02> or no problem
  • [16:02:17] <jkridner> the number after bone_capemgr will change
  • [16:03:24] <KotH> Kernle: android support is not really a plus point
  • [16:03:51] <KotH> Kernle: there is not really a point in running android on an embedded system.
  • [16:04:05] <KotH> Kernle: unless you count tablets and phones as embedded systems
  • [16:04:28] <KyleYankan> ..aren't they exactly that?
  • [16:04:59] <KotH> not really
  • [16:05:06] <thurgood> depends on your definition... but not really
  • [16:05:17] <KotH> they are PC style hardware with an attached GSM modem... maybe
  • [16:05:35] <thews_> is there an easy way to see the revision of my board?
  • [16:05:51] <woglinde> i am off for a while
  • [16:06:02] <KotH> woglinde: have fun
  • [16:06:06] <KotH> thews_: it's printed on it
  • [16:06:10] <thurgood> there should be a sticker with the rev, or do you mean from the OS?
  • [16:06:19] * thews_ goes to look, there wasn't a sticker like i saw on some pics online
  • [16:06:23] <jkridner> Quinto02: any news to report on the suggestion?
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  • [16:06:42] <Quinto02> seem work!
  • [16:06:50] <Quinto02> without -00a0
  • [16:07:11] <Quinto02> yes it work!
  • [16:07:12] <jkridner> that part is automatically appended by the capemgr
  • [16:07:18] <Quinto02> thanks to all!
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  • [16:08:18] <KotH> thews_: the sticker could have changed
  • [16:09:44] <Quinto02> But now if i restart BBB i must always redo echo echo BB-UART2 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots ?
  • [16:09:50] <Quinto02> everytime
  • [16:09:50] <Quinto02> ?
  • [16:10:03] <av500> does the uart work now?
  • [16:10:04] <jkridner> you can put an argument in uEnv.txt
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  • [16:10:46] <thews_> A5C
  • [16:11:20] <Quinto02> yes
  • [16:11:28] <thews_> KotH: it was on the sticker on the rails, not on the top like the others I saw online, and I already had it mounted in a box, I read the PCB board looking for the revision for a few minutes
  • [16:11:30] <Quinto02> i dont have uenv
  • [16:11:33] <Quinto02> on EMMC
  • [16:11:48] <av500> then create it
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  • [16:12:03] <KotH> thews_: happens
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  • [16:12:44] <Quinto02> where?
  • [16:12:47] <thews_> I flashed debian over to my board last night, and I've gotten everything solid, but stumped on bonescript itself I see where one person has made some progress, but I don't know why it fails at that point
  • [16:12:48] <thews_> https://github.com/fivdi/bonescript/commit/6f7529db8bf9f443161ba721fa5510a95554221a
  • [16:12:58] <Quinto02> in /media/BEAGLEBONE ?
  • [16:13:25] * thews_ is brand new to beaglebone, but has worked with arduinos and has managed linux servers for a decade
  • [16:13:26] <av500> is that were uboot is?
  • [16:13:37] <Quinto02> i dont know.. where is uboot?
  • [16:13:40] <Quinto02> on eMMC?
  • [16:13:51] <av500> whats in /media/BEAGLEBONE
  • [16:13:52] <av500> ?
  • [16:13:58] <Quinto02> nothing
  • [16:14:16] <Quinto02> i follow this link
  • [16:14:21] <Quinto02> but i dont have uEnv in this folder
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  • [16:16:57] <thews_> cat /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt
  • [16:18:02] <thews_> cd /
  • [16:18:03] <thews_> find . -name "uEnv.txt"
  • [16:19:07] <Quinto02> cat: /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt: No such file or directory
  • [16:19:49] <Quinto02> there isnt uboot :D
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  • [16:20:11] <thews_> :)
  • [16:20:40] <Quinto02> where is?
  • [16:20:42] <jkridner> Quinto02: with the board plugged into your computer, is there a flash drive seen on your computer? You can edit uEnv.txt from there.
  • [16:20:57] <Quinto02> yes
  • [16:20:59] <thews_> I'm not sure what whereis logs, it doesn't work for me for that file
  • [16:21:00] <thews_> but find does
  • [16:21:08] <Quinto02> i ttry
  • [16:22:14] <Quinto02> then is in /boot
  • [16:22:20] <Quinto02> uEnv.tx
  • [16:22:22] <Quinto02> uEnv.txt
  • [16:22:28] <Quinto02> optargs=run_hardware_tests quiet
  • [16:23:18] <Quinto02> what i must add?
  • [16:23:29] <Quinto02> this is correct? capemgr.enable_partno=BB-UART2
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  • [16:24:04] <jkridner> wiki should have the right info.
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  • [16:28:36] <Quinto02> jkridner: on google i have discordant solution: 1) capemgr.enable_partno=BB-UART2 2) capemgr.extra-override=BB-UART2
  • [16:28:47] <Quinto02> which is correct?
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  • [16:31:46] <Quinto02> jkridner: ?
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  • [16:38:22] <thurgood> Quinto02: I would suggest trying one, and if that does work try the other
  • [16:39:29] <KotH> there is always the option of reading the documentation and figuring out what the difference is
  • [16:39:52] <KotH> but i guess, knowing and understanding what you are working with has gone out of fashion
  • [16:40:11] <ogra_> KotH, ages ago
  • [16:40:12] <thurgood> heh
  • [16:40:41] <thurgood> probably a little experimentation is quicker in this case
  • [16:40:51] <KotH> sure
  • [16:41:09] <KotH> you can always try something
  • [16:41:13] <thurgood> but I see your point
  • [16:41:27] <KotH> but you will never know whether what you did was right or wrong, even if it did work
  • [16:41:43] <KotH> complex systems have complex side effects
  • [16:42:13] <thurgood> very true, my point was to get Quinto02 to be a little more self sufficient
  • [16:42:27] <KotH> yes, like reading up stuff
  • [16:42:52] <cwilson1> self suffwhat? that first word, is not parsed being.
  • [16:42:59] <thews_> that can cause sleepless nights sometimes, lack of documentation and piecing things together can be pretty terrible
  • [16:43:19] <KotH> sure, been there done that
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  • [16:43:31] <KotH> but then you ask a different kind of question
  • [16:43:37] <thews_> yep
  • [16:43:41] <thews_> that's when scripted hacks come in
  • [16:43:43] <thews_> at least for me
  • [16:43:43] <thews_> :D
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  • [16:44:21] <Quinto02> where is documentation where i can read difference between capemgr.enable_partno=BB-UART2 and capemgr.extra-override=BB-UART2
  • [16:44:22] <Quinto02> ?
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  • [16:45:04] <thews_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/pub
  • [16:45:46] <thews_> probably more on a repo somewhere
  • [16:46:32] * KotH blames panto for writing usefull documentation
  • [16:46:48] <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=capemgr.enable_partno
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  • [16:46:56] <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=capemgr.extra-override
  • [16:47:00] <av500> is that so hard?
  • [16:47:21] <KotH> yes
  • [16:47:50] <av500> apparently
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  • [16:51:10] <ogra_> he probably doesnt want the NSA to know what he doesnt know ;)
  • [16:51:44] <thews_> NSA probably runs ixquick
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  • [16:59:38] <Quinto02> what is NSA?
  • [16:59:43] <Quinto02> 007?
  • [16:59:46] <av500> what is google?
  • [16:59:55] <av500> no, 007 is MI5
  • [17:00:47] <Quinto02> NSA not is famous in europe
  • [17:00:52] <Quinto02> and in particular in Italy
  • [17:00:56] <av500> no
  • [17:01:00] <av500> nobody heard about it
  • [17:01:03] <thews_> it's infamous
  • [17:01:12] <av500> they are doing it so secret
  • [17:01:16] <av500> nobody knows they exist
  • [17:01:35] <Quinto02> no is secret
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  • [17:19:15] <TooLmaN> Okay, back finally. Here is my question again. Apologies in advance for the repost: What would cause "make: *** No rule to make target `uImage-dtb.am335x-boneblack'. Stop." when running "make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- uImage-dtb.am335x-boneblack"? I can successfully run the "uImage dts" and "modules" compile statements, but the BBB kernel statement fails.
  • [17:19:40] <TooLmaN> This compiles as it should on my Linux Mint laptop but not my Ubuntu VM
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  • [17:30:55] <lu_m> Can anyone help how to enable/setup the uart ports of my beaglebone black?
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  • [17:34:32] <jkridner> today UART day?
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  • [17:36:02] <TooLmaN> lol, my kernel build is an attempt to get RS485 working with the cape
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  • [17:39:12] <Quinto02> LOL
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  • [17:43:25] <TooLmaN> I'm rebuilding my build env on the VM to see if I missed a step
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  • [17:52:40] <thews_> TooLmaN: I'd trace back the rules and see what exists http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Rules
  • [17:53:00] <thews_> looks like you have a space there though
  • [17:53:07] <thews_> gnueabi- uImage
  • [17:53:25] <TooLmaN> yes there is suppose to be a space
  • [17:54:13] <TooLmaN> CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- is the prefix to the compilers
  • [17:54:23] <TooLmaN> uImage is the expected output
  • [17:54:45] <TooLmaN> These are the instructions from http://elinux.org/Building_BBB_Kernel
  • [17:55:02] <TooLmaN> I'll check out the rules
  • [17:55:21] <thews_> the space doesn't look right to me
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  • [17:55:30] <thews_> make needs a target, and then options specified
  • [17:55:49] <thews_> targets would be in caps
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  • [17:56:21] <TooLmaN> These instructions work just fine on my Linux Mint laptop. This error is coming from my Ubuntu Raring VM
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  • [17:58:25] <Quinto02> where i must copy my app for run when Board start?
  • [17:59:09] <agmlego> Anywhere you want, then just put it into init like normal.
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  • [18:00:16] <Quinto02> and where is init?
  • [18:00:22] <Quinto02> in etc?
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  • [18:01:52] <thews_> Quinto02: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+startup+scripts
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  • [18:03:19] <TA> the angstrom image is bigger than the 4gb flash drive. how do you install?
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  • [18:03:48] <agmlego> Get a smaller image or a bigger flash card.
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  • [18:04:50] <TA> Is there limitation on the size of the flash? can I get 8GB
  • [18:04:58] <agmlego> Sure.
  • [18:05:15] <agmlego> I have successfully run 32GB microSD cards on the bone.
  • [18:05:19] <TA> thank you for the advice
  • [18:05:23] <agmlego> And I see no reason bigger will not work.
  • [18:05:26] <TA> wow! awasome
  • [18:05:35] <agmlego> No problem.
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  • [18:05:48] <TA> got to run to work! have a nice day!
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  • [18:08:14] <thews_> TooLmaN: what repo are you building from?
  • [18:08:28] <TooLmaN> rebuilding with CROSS_COMPILE=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-
  • [18:09:02] <TooLmaN> thews_: following the instructions from http://beagleboard.org/linux now. Uses a different toolchain
  • [18:09:06] <thews_> ahhhh
  • [18:09:15] <thews_> didn't know if you were building it for angstrom
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  • [18:09:31] <thews_> for debian / ubuntu there's a script for compiling
  • [18:09:32] <thews_> https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev/blob/am33x-v3.8/build_kernel.sh
  • [18:09:38] <TooLmaN> I'm very new to BBB. First build actually
  • [18:09:49] <thews_> TooLmaN: I'm not quite 2 days into BBB
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  • [18:10:19] <thews_> have plenty of experience with other stuff, but definitely quite a bit of customization with BBB
  • [18:10:22] <TooLmaN> Starred: I'll check it out
  • [18:10:45] <TooLmaN> Same, I've worked on RPi and other eLinux SBCs
  • [18:10:58] <thews_> it's really easy to get lost in the google groups looking for info
  • [18:11:14] <TooLmaN> yep
  • [18:11:15] <Quinto02> thews_: but if i put my appa at boot after i can block with ctrl-c?
  • [18:11:22] <thews_> I was finally able to get bonescript working earlier with nodejs v0.10.21 definitely wasn't straight forward for a newb
  • [18:11:49] <thews_> Quinto02: probably not, that's not normal
  • [18:12:20] <Quinto02> and if i want control my board?
  • [18:12:26] <Quinto02> and stop app?
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  • [18:13:02] <thews_> TooLmaN: I've worked with android builds before for cellphones, and worked with arduino, and of course x86 servers, but definitely new to this kind of embedded stuff
  • [18:13:18] <thews_> Quinto02: make scripts for startup and shutdown for your app and use init.d
  • [18:13:31] <thews_> Quinto02: check other examples in init.d
  • [18:13:54] <Quinto02> do you have an example for shutdown my app after boot?
  • [18:14:02] <TooLmaN> 2 Andriod builds and a ton of arduino projects, and yes, I grew up on x86 compiling too. This build tool and Device Tree stuff is quite new to me
  • [18:14:15] <TooLmaN> Android* bleh
  • [18:15:22] <thews_> Quinto02: normally you don't shutdown on boot
  • [18:17:14] <TooLmaN> Error: unrecognized option -mauto-it
  • [18:17:14] <TooLmaN> make[2]: *** [scripts/mod/empty.o] Error 1
  • [18:17:14] <TooLmaN> .
  • [18:17:16] * TooLmaN sighs
  • [18:17:24] <thews_> :D
  • [18:17:30] <Kernle> Uhm... how hard is it to brick a BBB? :D
  • [18:17:57] <TooLmaN> I guess that depends on your u-boot experience
  • [18:18:17] <Kernle> Like... zero?
  • [18:18:17] <thews_> or your wiring experience ;-) BBB can't take much current
  • [18:18:47] <TooLmaN> yes, 2 ways to brick it
  • [18:19:01] <TooLmaN> you can typo in the u-boot-env and screw it up good
  • [18:19:25] <TooLmaN> but not completely irriversibily
  • [18:19:58] <TooLmaN> I'm waiting on the Arduino Tre :)
  • [18:21:01] <Quinto02> thews_: but for test
  • [18:21:05] <Kernle> Well, I'm asking because aparently the first eMMC flash failed, because afterwards, the bord would do literally nothing when I tried to boot it. I'm not 30min in my second flash attempt.
  • [18:21:10] <Quinto02> if TooLmaN: after i want change my app?
  • [18:21:15] <Kernle> *now
  • [18:21:17] <Quinto02> or use console?
  • [18:21:59] <TooLmaN> Quinto02: come again?
  • [18:22:06] <Kernle> Does the BBB give some kind of "errorcode" trough the USR leds?
  • [18:22:40] <Kernle> Like... USR3 was off, USR0 - 2 were const. lit.
  • [18:22:41] <TooLmaN> Kernle: you can minicom to it and monitor/interrupt the u-boot process
  • [18:22:50] <Kernle> minicom?
  • [18:22:50] <Quinto02> thews_: and if i want change app or use console of BBB
  • [18:23:21] <TooLmaN> minicom is like telnet on steroids.
  • [18:23:34] <Kernle> TooLmaN: I come from a completely different area... I'm a game developer, and working with embedded stuff is kinda.... new to me :D
  • [18:23:50] <TooLmaN> allows you to connect to a lot of stuff. Like HyperTerm on Windows
  • [18:24:14] <Kernle> Sounds cool :D
  • [18:24:19] <TooLmaN> Well, welcome aboard lol
  • [18:24:47] <TooLmaN> I'm new to BBB but not u-boot environments. I've bricked some older hardware
  • [18:25:08] <Kernle> Well i did some flashing on android devices, but thats about it... :/
  • [18:25:26] <TooLmaN> Similiar but a different boot env
  • [18:28:47] <Quinto02> a question: how enter in uboot at start of BBB if my connection with SSH is enable after the uboot ?
  • [18:29:11] <Quinto02> if i want set a uboot variable like setenv .....
  • [18:32:27] <thews_> Kernle: flashing can be done again if one flash messes up, I got a bad build of angstrom that didn't boot before , then went back to one from the official site from september
  • [18:32:59] <Kernle> thews_: Ah, thanks for the heads up :)
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  • [18:33:36] <thews_> TooLmaN: the arduino tre looks awesome btw, wished it was already out
  • [18:34:03] <TooLmaN> thews_: indeed. Should be the best of both worlds
  • [18:34:06] <thews_> TooLmaN: I really wished the pins on the BBB could put out more current, it'd make prototyping much faster
  • [18:34:29] <TooLmaN> that's what transistors were invented for :)
  • [18:34:37] <thews_> absolutely, but that slows down progress
  • [18:34:41] <thews_> even with darlington arrays
  • [18:34:48] <TooLmaN> nature of the beast
  • [18:35:14] <TooLmaN> BBB would be huge if they had all that built in
  • [18:35:16] * thews_ makes a lot of custom pcbs for quickly hacking things together later
  • [18:35:20] <thews_> yeah
  • [18:35:30] <thews_> the udoo is getting really popular even though it's all 3.3v
  • [18:35:47] <TooLmaN> yeah I've been watching it. waiting for another rev
  • [18:36:34] <Quinto02> thews_: i can use rc.local for run my app at boot?
  • [18:36:55] <TooLmaN> 9V power supply out to 3.3v and 5v seems to go with most of my projects with perfs
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  • [18:41:44] <TooLmaN> afk a bit
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  • [18:43:53] <lomby> hi
  • [18:44:20] <lomby> does the microHDMI work with the usb power supply??
  • [18:44:31] <lomby> (sorry for my english)
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  • [18:48:14] <Quinto02> thews_: i can use rc.local for run my app at boot on Angstrom?
  • [18:49:06] <Kernle> Okay... my BBB is now flashing for about an hour or so... isn't it supposed to take like 45 minutes?
  • [18:49:50] <Kernle> Okay, now that I said it, all LEDs lit. Seems finished :D
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  • [18:51:05] <lomby> do you flash Angrstrom or Ubuntu??
  • [18:51:19] <lomby> *Angstrom
  • [18:52:17] <Kernle> Angstrom
  • [18:52:35] <angs> does anyone if there is any problem on this instruction http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBoard I built kernel + debian for 2 beagleboard-XM and they get such output when I do apt-get update or install a package http://pastebin.com/ysfEbhu0
  • [18:52:40] <angs> it gets kernel panic
  • [18:53:11] <angs> or when I execute a command it hangs for long, then it gets the same kernel panic output
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  • [18:54:00] <Kernle> Either the flashing failed, or the board still hates my keyboard
  • [18:54:24] <Kernle> The BBB does hate hot plugging does it?
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  • [18:56:27] <rcn-ee> angs, which kernel is that, looks like it took a dive..
  • [18:56:53] <angs> rcn-ee, it is 3.11.x kernel
  • [18:57:19] <angs> I see some bugs reports on the net about ext
  • [18:57:21] <angs> ext4
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  • [18:57:33] <rcn-ee> strange... well can you retry with the v3.12.x branch. ;) i'm about to push it over v3.11 on that wiki..
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  • [18:58:07] <angs> I did not know you placed 3.12 on your webpage
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  • [19:00:06] <Kernle> Okay wtf... So Angstrom seems kinda bi***y to me... maybe better results with ubuntu or arch?
  • [19:00:48] <rcn-ee> just pushed the v3.12.x upgrade over v3.11.x last night. ;) http://rcn-ee.net/deb/wheezy-armhf/LATEST-armv7
  • [19:01:07] <angs> great, thank you I will try it now :)
  • [19:01:19] <angs> rcn-ee, one more thing about http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBoard#BeagleBoard-SerialLogin .. when I have log in prompt, I enter the user name (root), the password line does not appear
  • [19:01:32] <angs> untill I reboot and press "control + j" on that interface
  • [19:01:46] <angs> then it asks the password as well
  • [19:02:06] <angs> do I need to use something rather than "vt102"
  • [19:02:23] <rcn-ee> with ubuntu, there is no root user.. but with debian it should work, i know serial was a little laggy in v3.11.x
  • [19:02:33] <angs> I see
  • [19:02:37] <angs> I will try it with 3.12 now
  • [19:02:59] <angs> thank you
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  • [19:04:17] <Kernle> DUH..... why am I still running the 2012 Angstrom, when I just flashed the 2013 :(
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  • [19:09:57] <jkridner> http://beagleboard.org/blog/2013-11-07-project-spotlight-growcubes/
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  • [19:13:41] <Kernle> Brb
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  • [19:21:02] <dhamilt9> Hey all! I'm having some problems getting a simple gtk application to run on Angstrom, and I was wondering if someone could help me out?
  • [19:21:23] <dhamilt9> (For reference, I'm using the Beaglebone Black with the LCD4 cape from circuitco
  • [19:21:25] <dhamilt9> )
  • [19:21:54] <thurgood> what is the problem?
  • [19:22:35] <thews_> Kernle: it still shows 2012, you have to check modified times
  • [19:22:50] <dhamilt9> Basically, I wrote a simple program that should just open up a blank window
  • [19:22:51] <thews_> Kernle: I'm using debian, couldn't take angstrom
  • [19:22:57] <dhamilt9> And it compiles fine
  • [19:23:20] <thurgood> native compilation or cross compilation?
  • [19:23:24] <dhamilt9> but when I run it, a white box shows up in the upper left corner of my screen with no way to get rid of it
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  • [19:24:28] <thurgood> can you post an image?
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  • [19:27:07] <dhamilt9> yeah, hang on
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  • [19:29:30] <TooLmaN> Flushed and rebuilt the build env folders and it compiled. Guess I missed a step somewhere before
  • [19:29:47] <dhamilt9> http://imgur.com/zFA3LFx
  • [19:29:58] <TooLmaN> and my VM compiles in under an hour compared to my laptop which takes about 90 min
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  • [19:48:12] <thurgood> dhamilt9: can you pastebin your main loop?
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  • [19:52:38] <dhamilt9> http://pastebin.com/4fM4EMhn
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  • [20:13:11] <Kernle> wonder if I shouldn't just build a mini-itx x86 system and call it a day :D
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  • [20:16:41] <_av500_> where would be the fun?
  • [20:19:55] <dhamilt9> thurgood: any advice?
  • [20:22:12] <thurgood> looks like it may be stuck in the gtk main loop, if you havent specified an actual screen and callbacks
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  • [20:28:05] <dhamilt9> hmn
  • [20:28:42] <dhamilt9> I'll admit, I'm pretty shaky on what I'm doing, I'm trying to follow this tutorial:
  • [20:28:42] <dhamilt9> http://zetcode.com/tutorials/gtktutorial/firstprograms/
  • [20:29:02] <dhamilt9> And I watched a video of someone compiling/running the same program on the same setup, and it seemed to work for them
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  • [20:31:37] <dhamilt9> When I followed the second tutorial on that page, I'm able to change the size and position of the window in the code
  • [20:31:53] <dhamilt9> So it seems like the problem is it just doesn't create the window with a way of dragging it around or closing it
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  • [20:33:45] <scottk201> I am currently wiring some components to input into BBB but I am unsure of the input voltages I should be using? Does anyone know the max voltage I can input?
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  • [20:34:52] <KotH> scottk201: 3.3V CMOS logic levels
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  • [20:42:49] <thurgood> if you mouse over it and click, do you get the menubar?
  • [20:43:23] <dhamilt9> nope
  • [20:44:13] <dhamilt9> Can't drag it around, can't right click on it, doesn't show up in the panel at the bottom
  • [20:46:56] <thurgood> can you kill it by without -s 9?
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  • [20:51:59] <dhamilt9> I'm not sure, how would I check?
  • [20:52:15] <dhamilt9> Apologies, I'm also pretty new to linux in general
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  • [20:57:29] <dhamilt9> I can kill it by just using kill [process id], if that's what you mean
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  • [21:00:11] <dhamilt9> Also, something I just noticed, is that when I run it, the close button disappeares on all windows that are already open
  • [21:04:53] <s5fs> dhamilt9: the screenshot almost makes it look like the top of the app is outside of your viewable area
  • [21:05:16] <s5fs> dhamilt9: if you have a keyboard and mouse attached, hold down alt and left-click to move the window around
  • [21:05:17] <dhamilt9> s5fs: that's not it, I added some stuff to the code to resize and move the window to the middle of the screen
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  • [21:05:32] <dhamilt9> now it's just a white box in the center of the screen
  • [21:06:07] <dhamilt9> also, other windows seem to lock up when I run it. The bar that has the name of the window and the minimize/maximize/close buttons disappears on every window open
  • [21:06:48] <s5fs> dhamilt9: pretty strange, i hope you get it working :) i build web interfaces for my devices exclusively, haven't touched gtk in forever
  • [21:07:49] <dhamilt9> s5fs: thanks! I think I might ask around in the gtk irc to see if they have any suggestions
  • [21:09:01] <s5fs> dhamilt9: good plan, i'm guessing it's something minor. have you tried it on a linux desktop?
  • [21:09:09] <dhamilt9> I haven't, that's a good idea though
  • [21:09:47] <s5fs> i try to do as much on my workstation as possible, on-device testing can be a pain
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  • [21:19:10] <Kernle> Okay, so my BBB still hates me. I can't get a keyboard to work at all :S
  • [21:19:30] <Kernle> Time to look at an active hub?
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  • [21:30:48] <s5fs> Kernle: do you have other devices hooked up?
  • [21:31:24] <s5fs> Kernle: a powered hub would rule out power issues
  • [21:32:33] <Kernle> s5fs: keyboard alone: does not work. keyboard (is a hub) + mouse: does not work. mouse alone: does work.
  • [21:33:13] <Kernle> s5fs: Tried a logitech g15 and an apple keyboard :/
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  • [21:36:26] <Kernle> s5fs: G15 doesn't seem to get any power (display and key lights are dark). The mouse (connected to any of the two keyboards) isn't lit either. If connected directly to the BBB: works.
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  • [21:40:18] <s5fs> Kernle: yeah, sounds like a power issue. i'd look into a powered hub.
  • [21:40:38] <s5fs> Kernle: also, if you haven't picked up a serial cable, i highly recommend it. i can provide a link if you want.
  • [21:41:10] <Kernle> Considering the fact that I have to return the BBB tomorrow.... I'm screwed :D
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  • [21:41:32] <s5fs> aw man!
  • [21:42:13] <Kernle> Indeed...
  • [21:42:38] <Kernle> So this sucks then.... Displaykeyboard it is then
  • [21:43:57] <s5fs> yeah, sorry friend
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  • [21:44:08] <s5fs> where did you borrow a BBB?
  • [21:44:57] <Kernle> University. comparision prject bewteen RaPi and BBB
  • [21:45:17] <Kernle> I wonder.... maybe i can give the BBB more power via the RaPi? :D
  • [21:45:25] <prpplague> hehe
  • [21:45:46] <s5fs> Kernle: how are you supplying power to the bbb now, just usb or wall?
  • [21:46:31] <Kernle> USB. Is a samsung phone charger. 1A max
  • [21:47:15] <s5fs> you could hunt around and see if the 5V source is any better
  • [21:47:33] <s5fs> i haven't compared the two but i know i had similar issues with the rpi
  • [21:47:54] <Kernle> Problem is that its 22:47 here, and as such - stores are closed....
  • [21:49:30] <s5fs> haha! i sometimes forget that not everyone has all kinds of random crap around for these instances
  • [21:51:35] <jonpry> power with 5V from PC ATX supply
  • [21:54:16] <Kernle> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2al79p5xuskz401/2013-11-07%2022.51.58.jpg This should work, right?
  • [21:54:43] <s5fs> Kernle: yeah, if the barrel jack fits, go for it
  • [21:54:57] <Kernle> It does :D Just hoping not to set my house on fire
  • [21:54:59] <s5fs> i mean, it's not your BBB anyways so *shrug* ;-)
  • [21:57:51] <Kernle> Well, at least nothing cought fire :D
  • [21:58:00] <s5fs> whew!
  • [21:58:14] <Kernle> And the heater function of the hub is working :D
  • [21:58:29] <s5fs> also, that serial cable i suggested also works w/the rpi
  • [21:58:37] <s5fs> so useful!
  • [21:58:50] <Kernle> (y) Might give me a link then nevertheless :D
  • [21:58:55] <Kernle> http://www.getdigital.de/USB-Cup-Warmer-LCD.html This is useful ;-)
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  • [22:04:56] <Kernle> So, to sum it up... I currently power my BBB with a phone charger. I have a cup-warmer-hub attached, which I power via a PSP power supply. The hub has an apple keyboard, an optical mouse, and an USB drive from my first university term. Achievement unlocked?
  • [22:06:27] <thurgood> if you're assignment is to compare to a raspberry, not really as you only get full functonality with a barrel connector/wall wart posrt supply
  • [22:06:45] <thurgood> power supply
  • [22:07:03] <thurgood> your not you're :/
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  • [22:08:56] <thurgood> leaving the fact that they are not similar products aside...
  • [22:09:12] <Kernle> But I can power the BBB via the RaPi, that is a plus, right? :D
  • [22:11:33] <Vaizki> wtf.. usb hub with 24 usb2 ports and 4 usb3
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  • [22:16:20] <cwilson> Vaizki I somehow doubt such a hub could stream all ports.
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  • [22:18:43] <Vaizki> yea me too
  • [22:18:51] <Vaizki> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/manhattan-mondohub-28-port-usb-hub/5486041.p?id=1218652749521&skuId=5486041#tab=reviews
  • [22:18:59] <Vaizki> looks a bit ridicilous too
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  • [22:22:32] <thews_> I want to get my bb-debian webserver to look similar to angstrom's, do any of you know if there is a repo that contains the apache settings and www structure?
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  • [22:36:46] <thews_> think I found it https://github.com/jadonk/bone101
  • [22:38:31] <jkridner> thews_: yes, that is the contents served by bonescript/server.js
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  • [22:43:09] <dcj123> Can some recommend me a good low cost USB to serial adapter thats compatible with the beaglebone black?
  • [22:43:26] <dcj123> *someone
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  • [22:47:12] <thews_> jkridner: now I guess I need to run a file named bone101.js I'm having a little trouble sourcing that, also I see a reference to /var/lib/cloud9, I did install cloud9 with npm, but it's not in that location and I saw another place on the forum that made me suspect that cloud9 was just the previously mentioned git repository
  • [22:47:40] <jkridner> not unless you have something really old. it is bonescript/server.js now.
  • [22:47:51] <thews_> ahh
  • [22:47:54] <thews_> thank you
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  • [22:48:57] <jkridner> there are 2 apps that are expected to be run at startup for bonescript: bonescript/server.js (serves up /usr/lib/bone101 or something like that) and bonescript/autorun.js (runs any .js files in /var/lib/cloud9/autorun)
  • [22:49:31] <jkridner> patches to make it more portable across distros are welcome!
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  • [22:51:29] <thews_> jkridner: I may have to reinstall and do a full writeup later, it took me quite a while to get everything figured out, but now it's looking quite a bit better
  • [22:52:17] <jkridner> I'm in the process of getting it into Buildroot and using the 3.12 kernel right now.
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  • [22:53:52] <s5fs> dcj123: yeah one sec
  • [22:54:00] <thews_> jkridner: I see that you are the one who made it now on autorun there is var ar = '/var/lib/cloud9/autorun';
  • [22:54:15] <jkridner> yup
  • [22:54:18] <s5fs> dcj123: i use these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008AGDTA4/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
  • [22:54:28] <dcj123> s5fs - Thank you
  • [22:54:29] <thews_> npm installed cloud9 to /var/lib/node_modules/cloud9
  • [22:54:30] <s5fs> Kernle: same for you, thsi cable
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  • [22:54:50] <s5fs> dcj123: adafruit sells a similar cable for $15 for the raspberrypi
  • [22:55:53] <jkridner> npm will install cloud9?!? nice.
  • [22:56:02] <s5fs> npm can do anything!
  • [22:56:13] <jkridner> including rm -rf /!
  • [22:56:49] <s5fs> indeed
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  • [22:57:43] <dcj123> s5fs - Question? I am a noob so bear with me, how do hook up the PL2303HX as it only has four connectors and the BBB has six on its serial port?
  • [22:58:31] <s5fs> dcj123: check this out http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Adafruit_4_Pin_Cable_.28PL2303.29
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  • [22:59:02] <s5fs> the cable you are getting is the same as the adafruit cable, so hook it up in the same manner. you only need ground, tx and rx.
  • [22:59:07] <s5fs> (3 wires total)
  • [22:59:35] <thews_> jkridner: I'm on node 0.10.21 and it installed fine, I had to first install node-gyp and there was some caveat, but I was able to get it all working
  • [22:59:41] <dcj123> Okay great, I think I got this now, thank you
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  • [23:00:13] <jkridner> thews_: what distro are you targeting?
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  • [23:00:20] <s5fs> dcj123: no prob. on the rpi you can hook up the power cable too, and it runs the whole device. i don't think that's possible with the bbb though.
  • [23:00:28] <thews_> jkridner: I also had to modify bonescript using these modifications https://github.com/fivdi/bonescript/commit/6f7529db8bf9f443161ba721fa5510a95554221a#commitcomment-4538699
  • [23:00:32] <thews_> jkridner: debian 7
  • [23:00:35] <jkridner> sweet!
  • [23:00:45] <jkridner> I *really* want your write-up!
  • [23:01:21] * jkridner isn't so excited to regress a version on a component
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  • [23:01:41] <jkridner> anybody bug the node-serialport maintainer?
  • [23:02:00] <s5fs> jkridner: whats the problem?
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  • [23:02:13] <dcj123> s5fs - I just need to access U-Boot over minicom, 3 pins should work for what I need
  • [23:02:25] <s5fs> dcj123: yup, although i prefer screen ;)
  • [23:02:31] <jkridner> the patch you pointed to drops the node-serial port version from 1.2.2 to 1.1.3
  • [23:03:07] <thews_> there was one more change too I think https://github.com/fivdi/bonescript/commit/2ef44aa8e063df5b13d65f9d451e858c06ef1d7a
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  • [23:06:13] <s5fs> jkridner: the first patch just updates package.json, i'd skip it and see if newer node-serialport works
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  • [23:22:09] <dcj123> Can someone give me the link to what each serial pin does on the Beaglebone black? I am having trouble finding this for some reason.
  • [23:22:44] <dcj123> basically like how to hook up the serial cables to the board......
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  • [23:24:28] <thews_> jkridner: does this help you any? https://gist.github.com/justinledwards/7363464
  • [23:25:13] <thews_> jkridner: I added a note over on the adafruit python lib too for debian https://github.com/justinledwards/adafruit-beaglebone-io-python/blob/b731c8a2356e21249a8397d57cf8352dcd871547/README.rst
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  • [23:27:09] <s5fs> dcj123: did the link I sent you not make sense? i can post a pic if you want
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  • [23:29:31] <s5fs> i'll post a pic anyways, its useful to have handy :)
  • [23:29:51] <dcj123> s5fs - yeah I was about to say, post the pic lol
  • [23:30:02] <s5fs> dcj123: what os are you using?
  • [23:30:17] <dcj123> Angstrom
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  • [23:30:51] <dcj123> I am trying to recompile the kernel with nat networking support
  • [23:30:53] <s5fs> dcj123: i meant on your workstation :)
  • [23:30:55] <dcj123> Here - http://elinux.org/Building_BBB_Kernel
  • [23:30:59] <dcj123> Oh
  • [23:31:09] <dcj123> Windows 7 x86_64
  • [23:31:22] <s5fs> dcj123: okay so you're using putty or whatever to connect to the bbb over serial?
  • [23:32:04] <dcj123> um.... I guess, I am using putty to connect over USB yes
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  • [23:33:03] <s5fs> dcj123: here you go http://pokemedia.com/images/serial-bbb.jpg
  • [23:33:10] <dcj123> Plan on using minicom to connect to serial as the howto I posted says
  • [23:33:13] <dcj123> ok thxs
  • [23:33:24] <s5fs> nah just use putty
  • [23:33:50] <dcj123> okay I was unaware that you could use putty
  • [23:34:14] <dcj123> I am new to embedded stuff
  • [23:34:28] <s5fs> dcj123: no worries, i'm doing this for a living and often field these types of setup questions
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  • [23:34:51] <s5fs> actually i'm just a web hacker but have made the leap to hw because its cool
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  • [23:35:33] <dcj123> Great, thats cool. I am assuming that pic is with the PL2303HX?
  • [23:35:44] <dcj123> If so, I'll get it
  • [23:37:06] <s5fs> yup
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  • [23:37:30] <s5fs> for putty, you know where you normally type in the hostname or ip to start a connection? below that is a series of radio buttons, select "Serial"
  • [23:37:41] <s5fs> it will show up with a COM port and a speed
  • [23:38:00] <s5fs> to find your COM port, fire up device manager, expand COM ports and look to see what's there
  • [23:38:10] <s5fs> worst-case, you can try each port until it works haha!
  • [23:38:27] <s5fs> after you find the correct COM port, make sure you set the speed to 115200 (its 9600 by default probably)
  • [23:38:42] <s5fs> i do have a windows machine i can test against if you get stuck, but thats what i recall from memory
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  • [23:39:12] <dcj123> Okay thxs, yeah I seen the 115,200 baud setting
  • [23:39:13] <Kernle> What on earth did I create?! https://www.dropbox.com/s/ydp3w9yfbn2yjtp/2013-11-03%2019.46.25.jpg
  • [23:39:34] <s5fs> Kernle: i hope there's a steak hidden inside
  • [23:39:43] <dcj123> lol Kernle
  • [23:39:43] <SpeedEvil> Kernle: Doh.
  • [23:39:45] <s5fs> beaglebonebaked
  • [23:40:05] <Kernle> This... kinda did not turn out the way it was intended ;-)
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  • [23:40:26] <SpeedEvil> Looks edible.
  • [23:40:36] <s5fs> i'd eat it
  • [23:40:47] <Kernle> Right now its to hot to do so... will give feedback later.
  • [23:41:03] <s5fs> Kernle: is it just bread or something more?
  • [23:41:31] <Kernle> Yep, just bread. Forgot to buy new bread, so I thought "hey, lets make some bread then" (its 00:41 here)
  • [23:42:07] <Kernle> I just realized the date on my phone is wrong. Today is not 2013-11-03
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  • [23:42:37] <s5fs> no its not, but my birthday is coming up so please ensure your calendar is correct. ps, i like chocolates.
  • [23:42:50] <Kernle> :D
  • [23:43:15] <Kernle> Well.. the last cake I baked was... funny ;-)
  • [23:43:16] * SpeedEvil just made something chocolate coloured.
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  • [23:44:06] <s5fs> the last cake my gf baked looked like a beaver, tail and all
  • [23:44:24] <dcj123> I know its obviously 3.3v but the PL2303HX bothers me in the aspect that it doesn't say 3.3v anywhere on Amazon.....
  • [23:44:45] <s5fs> heh, thats why its $5 i guess
  • [23:45:16] <dcj123> Well I am gonna take your word for it and buy it anyways
  • [23:45:17] <Kernle> s5fs: I'm more into cooking then baking :D
  • [23:45:36] <dcj123> Hopefully it won't explode
  • [23:45:42] <s5fs> i'm mostly into eating and siting
  • [23:45:50] <Kernle> Well... the installer for xbmc is going nuts on my bbb.... I don't really expect this to work.
  • [23:46:07] <s5fs> dcj123: i'm using 'em here on mine and they seem okay :)
  • [23:46:22] <s5fs> Kernle: that's the spirit! keep your expectations in check!
  • [23:47:19] <Kernle> Okay, starting xbmc in ssh is kinda stupid.
  • [23:47:41] <s5fs> haha!
  • [23:47:53] <s5fs> man i gotta do a fun project w/these things, i'm doing dorky stuff w/o any sort of display
  • [23:48:19] <s5fs> its trivial to roll web interfaces these days and with android tablets being around $100 its an easy win
  • [23:48:40] <Kernle> "roll web interfaces"?
  • [23:48:47] <s5fs> yeah, build a webpage
  • [23:49:03] <s5fs> like "roll your own"
  • [23:49:06] <thews_> can someone on angstrom show me what they have for /etc/apache/sites-available ?
  • [23:49:20] <thews_> apache2*
  • [23:49:33] <s5fs> thews_: that should depend on what you have installed
  • [23:49:38] <Kernle> I see s5fs... well, I'm a web developer of sorts :D
  • [23:50:00] <Kernle> Okay... xbmc on ubuntu was a pretty stupid idea. With no display driver and stuff....
  • [23:50:25] <s5fs> Kernle: same here, i do web things too
  • [23:50:29] <thews_> s5fs: I need the stock config, so that I can map bone101 and bonescript properly
  • [23:50:35] <Kernle> (y) s5fs
  • [23:50:47] <thews_> trying to finalize debian working like angstrom for the bonescript stuff
  • [23:51:19] <s5fs> thews_: check in sites-enabled, this controls what apache starts up
  • [23:51:33] <s5fs> i dont' know bonescript or anything but i know apache a bit :)
  • [23:51:41] <thews_> s5fs: I need to know what's on the stock angstrom config
  • [23:52:13] <thews_> I'm pretty sure they have their node app configured in somehow
  • [23:52:16] <s5fs> thews_: okay lemme boot a new bone
  • [23:52:17] <thews_> maybe virtual directory
  • [23:52:29] <s5fs> i'd be surprised if bonescript is using apache
  • [23:52:32] <thews_> it is
  • [23:52:39] <s5fs> how odd
  • [23:52:49] <thews_> for bone101
  • [23:53:05] <s5fs> okay i'm booting a new in box bbb
  • [23:53:08] <s5fs> that work for ya?
  • [23:53:14] <thews_> if you really have one then yeah :D
  • [23:53:26] <s5fs> yeah totally
  • [23:53:37] <s5fs> i've got four at my desk right now, couple beaglebone-xms etc
  • [23:53:58] <thews_> I've had my BBB for about 48 hours now
  • [23:54:20] <s5fs> thews_: there is no apache install by default
  • [23:54:26] <s5fs> thews_: ie, /etc/apache doesn't exist
  • [23:54:31] <thews_> I flashed debian onto it last night, and I've spent some free time today updating node and configuring it all to work similarly to angstrom
  • [23:54:36] <thews_> interesting
  • [23:55:01] <thews_> can you do find /var/ -name "bone101"
  • [23:55:19] <s5fs> nothing
  • [23:55:24] <thews_> hmm
  • [23:55:39] <s5fs> this one just came out of a box from adafruit
  • [23:55:47] <thews_> https://github.com/jadonk/bone101
  • [23:55:50] <Kernle> Hmmm... installing 1.1gb trough apt-get. I think I might run out of eMMC space, right?
  • [23:55:52] <thews_> oh
  • [23:56:01] <thews_> find /var/ -name "*bone101*"
  • [23:56:05] <s5fs> Kernle: dunno, df -h will tell you how much space is available
  • [23:56:12] <thews_> Kernle: most likely
  • [23:56:36] <Kernle> DANGIT...
  • [23:56:42] <Kernle> 802mb left
  • [23:57:33] <s5fs> thews_: i searched the whole fs and found some stuff in /usr/share and also in /var/lib/opkg/ingo
  • [23:57:36] <s5fs> *info
  • [23:57:42] <s5fs> but nothing that looked interesting
  • [23:57:54] <s5fs> did you opkg install it or something?
  • [23:58:18] <thews_> s5fs: I'm configuring it all from source
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  • [23:58:56] <s5fs> thews_: hmm
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  • [23:59:36] <s5fs> so in theory i think you can just git clone that repo somewhere and then create a quick vhosts file for apache, drop it in sites-available and then link to it in sites-enabled
  • [23:59:45] <s5fs> restart apache and blam, who knows!
  • [23:59:57] <thews_> s5fs: that's what I did, and all is well, besides one file location