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  • [00:39:35] <juul> i'm having an issue with debian on the beagle bone black. I've set the network interface to have a static IP, and I'm booting the board with the ethernet cable plugged in, yet on most boots I cannot even ping it after booting, but every now and again it comes up correctly. Anyone have any ideas?
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  • [00:41:56] <nomel> dmesg will show you the way.
  • [00:41:59] <nomel> (most likely)
  • [00:42:15] <nomel> or journalctl
  • [00:42:51] <nomel> jonmasters: journalctl --this-boot specifically
  • [00:43:19] <juul> cool
  • [00:44:28] <mru> debian doesn't use evil lennartware, does it?
  • [00:44:29] <nomel> err, crap, you're on debian.
  • [00:44:35] <nomel> yeah, just realized what i was saying.
  • [00:44:38] <ds2> check to make sure you ain't got a con man running around
  • [00:44:47] <mru> yeah, they're always trouble
  • [00:45:00] <juul> connection manager?
  • [00:49:05] <juul> nothing weird in dmesg
  • [00:49:29] <juul> and i'm not sure what conman does but 'ps aux|grep con' gives nothing
  • [00:49:46] <mru> dmesg doesn't usually have much on configuration of network interfaces
  • [00:50:06] <mru> generally there are only link up/down messages there
  • [00:51:53] <juul> everything looks dandy according to ifconfig/ip
  • [00:51:58] <juul> super weird
  • [00:53:03] <thurgood> what happens if you call ifup?
  • [00:53:23] <thurgood> not sure if that even functions in recent linux systems
  • [00:54:39] <thurgood> also what does ifconfig -a tell you about the adapter
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  • [00:55:59] <juul> ifup just says the interface is configured, ifconfig -a output looks exactly like it shoudl
  • [00:56:01] <juul> hrm
  • [00:56:47] <juul> aaaaaaaaa
  • [00:56:48] <thurgood> so ifconfig lists the correct ip address... and it is unique on your lan?
  • [00:56:54] <juul> the switch port is bad!
  • [00:56:59] <juul> sorry to have wasted your time
  • [00:57:07] <juul> it lights up even when i unplug
  • [00:57:37] <juul> only checked the switch, not the port :S
  • [00:58:38] <ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww ifup
  • [01:01:16] <juul> btw, is it safe to plug the client mode port into a powered usb hub _and_ have a 5v dc adapter plugged into the beagle at the same time?
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  • [01:11:56] <juul> apparently ifconfig is also deprecated
  • [01:12:12] <juul> who knew? (maybe everyone else, but certainly not me)
  • [01:12:55] <nomel> juul: yeah, it's safe to have both plugged in.
  • [01:13:31] <juul> awesome!
  • [01:13:35] <Luqman> juul: yea, i think you're suppose to use `ip addr` or something now :(
  • [01:13:57] <nomel> juul: beaglebone is designed pretty darn well. :)
  • [01:13:59] <juul> Luqman: yeah. same with iwconfig. it's iw now.
  • [01:14:32] <nomel> juul: the only problem i know of is if your power supply ramps up too slow.
  • [01:14:58] <juul> nomel: ok.
  • [01:16:30] <juul> i need to have two usb devices attached to the beagle bone black. i know you can mod the board to turn the client-mode port into a host-mode port, but is there a way to keep the client mode port and also have two host mode ports (without using a usb hub)?
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  • [01:32:40] <GeorgeHenrique> My BEAGLEBONE not work well on my monitor, the image appears cropped. How do I fix this?
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  • [01:41:24] <nomel> juul: dude, it's usb...just use an hub.
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  • [01:43:01] <nomel> juul: if you made the client port a host port, tyou could use ethernet to access the board.
  • [01:43:14] <nomel> lol, wonder if they have a usb-over-ethernet gadget.
  • [01:49:05] <juul> nomel: :) a hub would be simpler
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  • [01:54:41] <davr> if you're worried about size you can buy tiny USB hubs and then take the case off
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  • [02:20:37] <spikebike> cute: http://www.usbjtag.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=8259
  • [02:21:13] <spikebike> http://www.raspyfi.com/the-best-raspberry-pi-power-supply/
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  • [02:25:06] <daniel_ohh> I just ran an opkg update/upgrade on my BBB and after rebooting it looks like I've lost Gnome. Any ideas on how to start gnome or remedy my Angstrom build.
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  • [02:27:24] <robotustra> good night people
  • [02:27:38] <robotustra> I have a question
  • [02:29:11] <robotustra> I just bought bbb and tried to grab frames from webcam
  • [02:29:40] <robotustra> my webcam gives YUV output 640x480
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  • [02:30:03] <robotustra> on desctop PC I have about 30 FPS
  • [02:30:46] <robotustra> on BBB I have the "select timeout" issue at the resolution of 640x480
  • [02:31:32] <robotustra> but at 320x240 it grabs frames and save them to files very slow. Like 100 frames in 69 seconds
  • [02:32:04] <robotustra> does anybody had similar issues and know how to fix it?
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  • [02:46:21] <nomel> daniel_ohh: systemctl --failed might show something graphical related
  • [02:46:33] <nomel> you could do a systemctl status <whatever failed> to see what's up.
  • [02:46:35] <nomel> just a random guess
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  • [02:56:03] <daniel_ohh> Alright I'll give that a shot
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  • [03:00:55] <sky_> hi, there. After I perform opkg update and upgrade. reboot, I can't see a mount usb driver on my win7
  • [03:04:07] <sky_> I connection my board to a monitor and using a keyboard I can login, it seem to work fine
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  • [03:05:44] <sky_> I think there is something wrong with usb connection when I perform the opkg upgrade, but I can' t figure out what happened after google. any suggestion would be greatly appreciated!
  • [03:07:18] <George_Henrique> I received yesterday my BEAGLEBONE black but I can not install gnumeric. Is it possible?
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  • [03:38:58] <daniel_ohh> does the emmc-flasher image include a desktop?
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  • [04:13:55] <nomel> daniel_ohh: what's Gnome?
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  • [04:15:56] <nomel> sky_: do you have the latest production image shown on the wiki?
  • [04:16:29] <nomel> sky_: opkg upgrade has a long history of breaking things, especially with older images. no idea if it breaks the current one. general word in here has always been "don't opkg upgrade" :-|
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  • [05:05:05] <Guest54240> i have downloaded toolchain for beaglebone and i wrote a sample program test.c in ubundtu....how to cross compile this test.c.....which command should be used...
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  • [05:06:48] <Guest54240> i have downloaded toolchain for beaglebone and i wrote a sample program test.c in ubundtu....how to cross compile this test.c.....which command should be used..
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  • [05:07:37] <Guest54240> can someone say the command to crosscompile...
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  • [05:18:06] <reilo> Quick question for anyone that is willing to help... Does the Beagleboard-xM support the LCD4 + TiWi-5E capes while running Android?
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  • [06:21:25] <nomel> so, i notice this sysfs led interface is somewhat useless if multiple processes are trying to do things with the leds
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  • [06:22:03] <nomel> so, i think i'm going to make a multi process type message based led control
  • [06:22:21] <LetoThe2nd> huh, you're wondering that controlling a single digital output device by multiple processes does not work?
  • [06:22:47] <nomel> no, i'm noticing the sysfs interface sucks for it, because the interface changes depending on what the led is doing.
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  • [06:25:13] <ds2> you can write a proper LED trigger
  • [06:25:38] <nomel> yeah. that's what i want to do. :P
  • [06:27:40] <nomel> i'll probably stick with the sysfs since blinking and kernel level stuff like cpu and disk wouldn't be so great if they were controlled by some daemon
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  • [06:32:49] <Russ> nomel, the sysfs interface works fine for changing state from many different processes...its just whichever one was last wins
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  • [06:34:28] <nomel> or whichever touches "trigger" last wins. :)
  • [06:35:05] <Russ> the situation I'm thinking you might be in would be if the led needs to be lit if a counter is greater than 0, or if an even has happened in the past 500ms
  • [06:35:12] <Russ> er, event
  • [06:35:18] <mrpackethead> trolls
  • [06:35:24] <nomel> i'll probably do a posix_ipc or some other message based thing
  • [06:35:33] <nomel> then you could have priorities and whatnot
  • [06:35:44] <nilking> nomel : I wanted to run the executable file of qt4 on my target I hv copied the file using ethernet but when i am going for execute tht file it is giving me "sh: ./Test :not found "
  • [06:35:56] <nomel> message might say something like "blink at some rate for 100ms, priority 2"
  • [06:36:13] <Russ> ah, like a status bar stack
  • [06:36:30] <nomel> some activity led might have a lower priority, so it would get ignored and flushed.
  • [06:36:34] <nomel> yeah.
  • [06:36:59] <nomel> hrmm...i should search for something that exists.
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  • [06:39:16] <xyz> helllo
  • [06:40:36] <nomel> nilking: i have no idea what you're saying, but i'm assuming that the file Test doesn't exist in your current directory.
  • [06:40:48] <nomel> or maybe Test is a directory.
  • [06:41:23] <Russ> more likely a library it links to wasn't found
  • [06:41:23] <nomel> xyz, please direct pleasantries to mrpackethead.
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  • [06:41:47] <xyz> i have beaglebone black with me...Now i wanted to write a program for that...so i downloaded a crosscompiler for ubuntu,which i am using......so now i have my sample code test.c and the cross compliler......what command should be used to cross compile...
  • [06:42:29] <nomel> dude, there's like a million and one cross compile on beaglebone examples out there.
  • [06:43:00] <xyz> nomel...can you please give a link
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  • [06:43:43] <panto> moaning
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  • [06:45:14] <nomel> xyz: google "setup cross compiler for beaglebone", i see plenty.
  • [06:45:35] <nomel> i *could* have lmgtfy'd that, *but i was feeling nice*.
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  • [06:49:48] <nilking> nomel: do u have any idea about the remote debugging using angstrom ?
  • [06:50:23] <nilking> if yes then on my target i have copied this Test file while it is not running.
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  • [06:54:26] <nomel> nilking: sorry, no. :-\
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  • [06:57:21] <KotH> JIHADli
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  • [07:26:58] <mrpackethead> KotH: i was thiking its too warly
  • [07:27:00] <mrpackethead> early
  • [07:27:00] <mrpackethead> for you
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  • [07:39:47] <Shadyman> mrpackethead: The KotH strikes in the night, when you least expect it.
  • [07:40:21] <mrpackethead> KotH: just eats chocolate
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  • [07:46:46] <mrpackethead> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1268731_10151858833832661_467444346_o.jpg
  • [07:46:49] <mrpackethead> todays ebay purchase
  • [07:46:51] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [07:48:00] <teralaser> looks nice
  • [07:48:16] <teralaser> does it have a ring light or something ?
  • [07:49:03] <Russ> how much was it?
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  • [07:49:29] <Russ> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vision-Engineering-Mantis-Microscope-4x-6x-/330969090638 ?!?
  • [07:51:23] <nomel> wow.
  • [07:52:02] <mrpackethead> I got this for $1k
  • [07:52:16] <Russ> pretty good
  • [07:52:17] <nomel> we grabbed two much nicer from a failed startup for $200. :-|
  • [07:52:28] <mrpackethead> of course you did nomel.
  • [07:52:34] <mrpackethead> you do everythign better than everyone
  • [07:52:44] <nomel> wasn't me, it was my last company.
  • [07:52:49] <das> planning on reverse engineering some chips ?
  • [07:52:52] <nomel> err..the last company i worked for.
  • [07:53:20] <nomel> mrpackethead: and wtf, you wanna FIGHT?
  • [07:53:34] <mrpackethead> nomel: i dont' fight girls
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  • [07:53:59] <nomel> good, this will be easy then
  • [07:54:18] * nomel gently slaps mrpackethead AS HARD AS HE CAN.
  • [07:54:30] <nomel> i hope that was unpleasant!
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  • [07:55:34] <mrpackethead> Russ, now you ahve me worried
  • [07:55:39] <mrpackethead> becuae thats the same photo
  • [07:55:42] <mrpackethead> for anotehr auction
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  • [07:56:03] <Russ> you don't use google image search when you ebay?
  • [07:56:15] <mrpackethead> no.
  • [07:56:18] <mrpackethead> doh.
  • [07:56:23] <nomel> that's a pretty good idea.
  • [07:56:47] <nomel> unless you're buying twinkies.
  • [07:58:30] <nomel> it's 1am, and i'm still at work, but damn things are goin well :DD
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  • [08:03:12] <mrpackethead> why are you at work at 1am
  • [08:03:13] <mrpackethead> ?
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  • [08:05:58] <cverster> hello! ok I get the following error: /usr/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.7.3/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient_r
  • [08:06:29] <cverster> does that mean its looking for libmysqlclient_r.so in /usr/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux.... etc etc???
  • [08:06:32] <mrpackethead> cverster, wow. you've just foudn the goldne ticket
  • [08:06:55] <mrpackethead> if you submit that error to the competition, you'll win USD$100,000
  • [08:07:13] <cverster> whooop. yayayay.
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  • [08:07:57] <cverster> k enough with the jokes. I have mysqlclient_r.so and .la in /usr/lib, dont know why its not picking that up
  • [08:08:09] <mrpackethead> No, i'll choose when we finish the jokes
  • [08:08:34] <mrpackethead> How many mysql errors doe it take to change a lightbulb
  • [08:08:39] <mrpackethead> Knock Knock
  • [08:08:40] <mrpackethead> whos there
  • [08:08:44] <mrpackethead> SQL error
  • [08:08:44] <cverster> mysql
  • [08:08:49] <cverster> mysql who
  • [08:08:52] <cverster> mysql error
  • [08:09:01] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: libname is not always equal to soname. so check the known flags with pkg-config --list-all for example
  • [08:09:10] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.12: http://git.io/_EF-Gg
  • [08:09:10] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.12 7a62233 Koen Kooi: 3.12: update to latest mainline, resolve merge conflicts...
  • [08:09:31] <cverster> Ahhh, linux talk, LetoThe2nd that just went over my head
  • [08:09:38] <LetoThe2nd> assuming that this lib has pkg-copnfig files, of course.
  • [08:09:52] <ynezz> and you use correct pkg-config :p
  • [08:10:03] <ynezz> not from the host, but for the target
  • [08:10:25] <LetoThe2nd> ynezz: true that.
  • [08:10:34] <ynezz> read more about linker library paths
  • [08:10:54] <cverster> kwaai
  • [08:11:11] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: it would be of no use if your arm cross compiler would go look in the x86 library folders like /usr/lib...
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  • [08:11:26] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: care to actually work in solving your problem?
  • [08:11:32] <cverster> yes
  • [08:11:59] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: so. you are trying to crosscompile, right?
  • [08:12:02] <cverster> im trying. I read a bit and in my head if my .so and .la file is in /usr/lib it should work
  • [08:12:04] <cverster> no
  • [08:12:11] <cverster> not crosscompile, compiling from source
  • [08:12:36] <ynezz> I see angstrom = crosscompile
  • [08:12:44] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: *what* are you trying to compile on *which* boc using *which* toolchain?
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  • [08:13:22] <cverster> I'm trying to compile the mysql c++ connector from the source they provided. I used cmake and am now trying to "make" their source code
  • [08:13:52] <LetoThe2nd> nonsense and the answer to what i asked you.
  • [08:14:22] <cverster> ?
  • [08:14:28] <LetoThe2nd> let me repeat.
  • [08:14:28] <cverster> im using GNU compilers ?
  • [08:14:34] <LetoThe2nd> 10:12 < LetoThe2nd> cverster: *what* are you trying to compile on *which* boc using *which* toolchain?
  • [08:14:58] <cverster> ok, just expand "boc" for me
  • [08:15:10] <cverster> so that i can google it
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  • [08:15:19] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: your paste says something about arm-angstrom-something. so you are trying to use that compiler, probably.
  • [08:15:36] <cverster> the default gcc on angstrom
  • [08:15:37] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: *sigh* boc = box, just a typo one key right.
  • [08:15:48] <cverster> haha ;)
  • [08:15:59] <cverster> gcc compiler on Angstrom Beaglebone black
  • [08:16:04] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: so you are compiling *on* the beaglebone black?
  • [08:16:10] <cverster> yip
  • [08:16:44] <LetoThe2nd> can you please patebin the complete chain of commands that you used?
  • [08:17:00] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: note: pastebin, *not* dump in here!
  • [08:17:05] <cverster> :P
  • [08:18:09] <cverster> I literally downloaded the source from here: http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/connector/cpp/#downloads. Then I typed "cmake ." and then "make". I hacked some source files as errors popped up, they were missing <stdio.h> includes and trying to execute printf
  • [08:18:26] <cverster> so I typed two commands in total
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  • [08:19:37] <cverster> sorry I dumped in here, but I didn't want to pastebin two lines :D
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  • [08:25:00] <cverster> LetoThe2nd: Hold on, i think i might be on to something. MySQL is giving errors aswell, so im gonna reinstall it
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  • [08:25:39] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: ok, first thing - i just built that thing here on x86-64. *NO* errors whatsoever concerning printfs or such. so i'm pretty sure you are doing something fishy, and *not* building that thing as intended.
  • [08:26:15] <cverster> really? but how? I mean, I literally take the source and "cmake ." then "make"
  • [08:26:20] <cverster> where is the room for fishy?
  • [08:26:25] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: i have no idea, you tell me.
  • [08:26:43] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: my bets still are on that you are messing up your boxes.
  • [08:26:56] <cverster> possibly
  • [08:27:37] <LetoThe2nd> thats why i asked for the complete command chain. including prompt, please. and including a "uname -a", please.
  • [08:27:54] <cverster> but hey, gotta learn somehow. So you just built it like that on BBB?
  • [08:28:13] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: why are you not listnening?
  • [08:28:36] <LetoThe2nd> 10:25 < LetoThe2nd> cverster: <snip> i just built that thing here on x86-64. </snip>
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  • [08:29:16] <cverster> I am listening. But my semi-technical brain does not register all of your lingo, im trying, really.
  • [08:30:10] <av500> cverster: start from a fresh checkout and pastebin the whole thing
  • [08:30:20] <av500> until the first error comes up
  • [08:30:26] <LetoThe2nd> cverster: then you should better back off from your current task an learn the basics first. handholding someone who does not even know the most trivial things is just tiresome.
  • [08:30:44] <LetoThe2nd> .. and pointless, as the basics are all well documented.
  • [08:30:59] * LetoThe2nd hands over to av500 for now, got some other work.
  • [08:31:41] <av500> LetoThe2nd: nah, I got bone to grind
  • [08:31:58] <LetoThe2nd> av500: me got grinds to bone?
  • [08:32:57] <nomel> mrpackethead: deadline tomorrow :D
  • [08:33:08] <mrpackethead> do you own the copany?
  • [08:33:12] <mrpackethead> company
  • [08:33:54] <nomel> no. i had a fight with a library that put me behind.
  • [08:34:09] <mrpackethead> so, if you dont' own the company
  • [08:34:15] <mrpackethead> why are you working your arse off
  • [08:34:48] <av500> for the lulz
  • [08:35:01] <nomel> because this is a real deadline.
  • [08:35:17] <nomel> like, shit comes back from the foundary, and what i'm working on is the only way to communicate with it. :D
  • [08:35:35] <nomel> *foundry
  • [08:35:49] <mrpackethead> another corporate slave
  • [08:36:07] <mrpackethead> people who thing they will get ahead by letting the boss take them for everthing
  • [08:36:14] <nomel> startup, we're not a corporation. :P
  • [08:36:29] <nomel> nah, i said i could do it by now, slacked for a while
  • [08:36:35] <nomel> so i'm working hard now to make up for it.
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  • [08:36:54] <LetoThe2nd> ahh, i feel so enlightened now. "people who thing" - really thanks mrpackethead for sahring this wisdom with us.
  • [08:37:05] <av500> what starts up must come down
  • [08:37:07] <nomel> and, it's more about having a room full of engineers twiddling their thumbs waiting for me.
  • [08:37:26] <nomel> true, but sometimes that happens after an aquisition
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  • [08:37:31] <nomel> :)
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  • [08:38:07] * LetoThe2nd goes back to thinging.
  • [08:38:48] <av500> LetoThe2nd: thinging dirty thongs?
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  • [08:39:05] <LetoThe2nd> av500: dirty deeds done dirt cheap.
  • [08:39:51] * av500 waits for the postman to bring tape loops
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  • [08:40:14] <av500> or fruit loops
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  • [08:45:05] <Guest64177> Hi, I want to fix register values in pwm device, by using Python, not using console command. I know there are some way to fix /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux but unfortunately, I couldn't use that way. Is there any other way to make it?
  • [08:45:30] <panto> Guest64177, why would you need to fix register values in pwm device?
  • [08:46:02] <av500> also, ompa_mux might be gone
  • [08:46:08] <av500> if you are using a recent kernel
  • [08:46:41] <panto> *oompa_loompa_mux ?
  • [08:46:51] <Guest64177> Panto, To fix duty_cycle and frequency in pwm
  • [08:47:09] <panto> why? god why?
  • [08:47:25] <panto> the recent kernels have sysfs attribute interfaces
  • [08:47:38] <panto> just cat to the files the values, and you're done
  • [08:47:38] <Guest64177> to control DC motoer
  • [08:47:53] <Guest64177> sysfs? could you elucidate it?
  • [08:47:53] <panto> http://lwn.net/Articles/553755/
  • [08:48:03] <Guest64177> OK thanks I will look that document
  • [08:48:13] <nomel> that's a funny word to use.
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  • [08:51:01] <Maveik57> hello everybody, spricht hier jemand deutsch?
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  • [08:51:11] <Guest64177> Panto, I can see files in /sys/class/pwm/pwmchipN/ but I can't find /sys/class/pwm/pwmchipN/pwmX/* :( although I could see pwm_p8/p9 is setted when I typed "cat /sys/devices/bone.capemgr.7/slots.
  • [08:51:44] <av500> Maveik57: nein, nur Englisch
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  • [08:52:45] <das> ich bin sicher niemand hier kann Deutsch
  • [08:53:26] <Maveik57> und du?
  • [08:53:53] <av500> Maveik57: the channel language is english
  • [08:54:06] <av500> talking German will greatly reduce the number of people that might help you
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  • [08:58:52] <panto> Guest64177, use the latest version of the releases always
  • [08:59:01] <panto> looks like an older release
  • [08:59:25] <Maveik57> Can someone tell me, how I can install a Linux Programm who called ARDESIA on the Baeglebone Black. I`m not a Linux Expert and exuse my bad English
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  • [09:01:06] <Guest64177> panto, I use 3.8.13 kernel with xenomai patched -- it may be reason, I just want to know it comes from kernel or some others. Thank you :)
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  • [09:13:20] <KotH> mrpackethead: actually, i was quite late
  • [09:14:23] <mrpackethead> ahh
  • [09:16:20] <KotH> but yes, chocolate is a good idea
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  • [09:18:11] <mrpackethead> I bought a Mantis today
  • [09:18:11] <mrpackethead> but Russ, has me worreid
  • [09:18:11] <mrpackethead> because the auction i won
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  • [09:18:23] <mrpackethead> has the same photo as another one on ebay
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  • [09:18:30] <KotH> mantis?
  • [09:19:03] <mrpackethead> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1268731_10151858833832661_467444346_o.jpg
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  • [09:20:19] <KotH> there is a us shop that builds such microscopes quite cheaply and has some stock they want to get rid of
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  • [09:20:38] <KotH> 300usd for a quite nice one... but shipping would cost more than the microscope itself :-(
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  • [09:21:24] <KotH> it's 2013, and irc has still the same splits as it did in the 90s
  • [09:23:22] <emocakes> they have enlargement surgery KotH
  • [09:23:25] <emocakes> just fyi
  • [09:23:34] <emocakes> no need for a microscope
  • [09:23:50] <KotH> here, have a cookie...
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  • [09:23:57] <KotH> now go play somewhere else
  • [09:23:58] <KotH> ;)
  • [09:24:31] <mrpackethead> KotH: got a link?
  • [09:24:57] <mrpackethead> the mantis stuff is very good
  • [09:25:01] <mrpackethead> you can use it all day
  • [09:25:05] <mrpackethead> and not get a head-ache
  • [09:25:58] <KotH> mrpackethead: http://www.ebay.com/usr/bargainmicroscopes
  • [09:26:15] <KotH> mrpackethead: they seem to use ebay to sell off their leftover stuff
  • [09:26:24] <KotH> mrpackethead: i dont know how good their microscopse are
  • [09:26:27] <mrpackethead> ok, different
  • [09:26:32] <mrpackethead> two eye peice stuff
  • [09:26:40] <KotH> mrpackethead: but as i wanted to buy them for home use, long working hours wouldnt be a problem
  • [09:26:43] <mrpackethead> the mantis eats them
  • [09:27:04] <mrpackethead> the magnification on those is way too high as well
  • [09:27:11] <KotH> yeah
  • [09:27:13] <mrpackethead> you only want 6-10x for pcb work
  • [09:27:19] <KotH> at most
  • [09:27:32] <mrpackethead> have you soldered at 10x?
  • [09:27:45] <mrpackethead> it takes a little bit to get the hand / eye thing going
  • [09:28:04] <mrpackethead> the nice thing is that i can see what im doing as i'm doing it
  • [09:28:08] <mrpackethead> under the mantis
  • [09:28:11] <KotH> we usually solder at 10x and 25x
  • [09:28:41] <mrpackethead> what are you soldering?
  • [09:29:04] <av500> wires to gates
  • [09:29:08] <mrpackethead> whats funny, is that you get to see how bad soldering really is
  • [09:29:09] <av500> single electrons
  • [09:29:13] <av500> +1
  • [09:29:20] <av500> we have a stereo scope here
  • [09:29:26] <av500> nice toy
  • [09:29:28] <mrpackethead> even then best machine stenciled and perfectly placed parts
  • [09:29:36] <mrpackethead> actually look terrible
  • [09:29:37] <mrpackethead> :)
  • [09:29:49] <mrpackethead> soldering is such an imprecise technique
  • [09:29:58] <mrpackethead> lucky, its pretty accomodating
  • [09:30:29] <ynezz> I've at home Bresser Biorit ICD CS 10x
  • [09:30:57] <KotH> mrpackethead: anything from 0603 to 0.5mm qfn's
  • [09:30:59] <ynezz> quite happy with it
  • [09:31:07] <mrpackethead> oh.
  • [09:31:11] <mrpackethead> same as me
  • [09:31:12] <KotH> mrpackethead: for inspection we go sometimes even to 50x
  • [09:31:26] <mrpackethead> i find that 6 or 10x is more than enough
  • [09:31:29] <ynezz> for 0603 you don't need scope...
  • [09:31:30] <KotH> mrpackethead: but that requires a steady hand :)
  • [09:31:42] <mrpackethead> maybe its because i've got telescopic bat-man eyes
  • [09:31:57] <KotH> ynezz: not for soldering, yes. but with a scope you are faster and you dont have to check the solder joints later
  • [09:31:59] <av500> we have a Hund on a long boom and a fiber light
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  • [09:32:13] <ynezz> KotH: sure
  • [09:32:23] <ynezz> owen is faster
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  • [09:32:29] <KotH> owen?
  • [09:32:47] <KotH> mrpackethead: you know, i'm old and my eyesight is bad
  • [09:32:52] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [09:32:53] <ynezz> yes, stencil + owen
  • [09:32:55] <mrpackethead> but agree.
  • [09:33:00] <mrpackethead> its just about time
  • [09:33:06] <KotH> ynezz: oven?
  • [09:33:10] <mrpackethead> you can solder and check at the same time.
  • [09:33:16] <ynezz> oh you grammar nazi!
  • [09:33:26] <KotH> ynezz: orthorgraphy, not grammar
  • [09:33:28] <mrpackethead> oven is faster but not always useful.
  • [09:33:29] <KotH> er...
  • [09:33:33] <KotH> orthography
  • [09:33:56] <mrpackethead> ynezz: its not faster if i need to wait for a stainless steel stencil
  • [09:34:05] <KotH> ynezz: owen is a name, oven is a thing ;)
  • [09:34:10] <ynezz> I liked Mickael Owen
  • [09:34:29] <ynezz> mrpackethead: you get one for free with your order on beta-layout
  • [09:34:29] <mrpackethead> I can not get reliable stenciling out of Laser cut plastic for TQFP's
  • [09:34:45] <mrpackethead> ynezz: and it takes how long to get the PCB?
  • [09:34:52] <KotH> it's half past 11 and i have not done anything yet. looks like this will be a very productive day... again
  • [09:35:08] <ynezz> mrpackethead: standard is about 8 working days
  • [09:35:12] <KotH> mrpackethead: too fin pitch?
  • [09:35:18] <ynezz> mrpackethead: but you can pay for express :)
  • [09:35:25] <mrpackethead> ynezz: i need about 8 minute turn around
  • [09:35:28] <mrpackethead> 8 days is an age
  • [09:35:36] <mrpackethead> What i do, is cut a plastic one
  • [09:35:47] <mrpackethead> take out anything too small
  • [09:35:59] <mrpackethead> stencil and oven all the jellybeans
  • [09:36:02] <KotH> ynezz: mrpackethead is a fast turn over time electronics developer. he does electronics how other people do software :)
  • [09:36:32] <ynezz> seems so
  • [09:36:54] * KotH must do a trip to .nz someday
  • [09:37:06] <KotH> visit this mrpackethead guy, and the lobster
  • [09:37:07] <mrpackethead> What i was finding is that the laser cut mylar jsut si'nt good enough
  • [09:37:20] <mrpackethead> and you get a mess
  • [09:37:29] <KotH> mrpackethead: how about cutting 0.2mm stainless steal?
  • [09:37:39] <KotH> mrpackethead: or do you need a higher power laser for that?
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  • [09:37:50] <mrpackethead> it quicker to hand solder than clean up
  • [09:37:57] <KotH> s/steal/steel/
  • [09:38:10] <mrpackethead> I've never tryed, but i only have a 60W laser
  • [09:38:27] <mrpackethead> i doubt it would would even mark the steel
  • [09:38:28] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [09:38:43] <mrpackethead> the lasers they use for the stencils are YAG's
  • [09:38:49] <mrpackethead> our laser is CO2
  • [09:39:02] <KotH> hmm.. CO2 should work on steel as well
  • [09:39:05] <mrpackethead> and i think you need a bit more precision than we have as well
  • [09:39:11] <mrpackethead> it does, if you have enough power
  • [09:39:16] <mrpackethead> I'll give it a go
  • [09:39:23] <mrpackethead> find some old stencil
  • [09:39:26] <mrpackethead> and see what happens
  • [09:39:29] <KotH> buy one of those kW class CO2 laser tubes on ebay, and try it
  • [09:39:44] <mrpackethead> yeah.
  • [09:40:10] <mrpackethead> i like hte fact that my laser is in a box that is laser proof
  • [09:40:16] <mrpackethead> so, even if somethibn bad happens
  • [09:40:30] <mrpackethead> a stray beam deos'nt go randomly out and hit somerthign
  • [09:40:53] <KotH> you mean your whole setup is in a closed box?
  • [09:40:58] <KotH> the laser alone is not important
  • [09:41:05] <KotH> it doesn't have much stray field anyways
  • [09:41:13] <KotH> the beam is the dangerouse stuff
  • [09:42:34] <mrpackethead> yes,
  • [09:42:48] <mrpackethead> its the beam that worries me
  • [09:42:55] <mrpackethead> if it reflects off soemrthign
  • [09:43:00] <KotH> it should already worry you at 60W
  • [09:43:11] <mrpackethead> thats why you cna't run it
  • [09:43:18] <mrpackethead> without the lid closed!
  • [09:43:27] <mrpackethead> there is a 10mm polycarbonate window in the lid
  • [09:43:44] <mrpackethead> I did a demostration for my staff
  • [09:43:50] <mrpackethead> of why we should be careful with lasers
  • [09:44:02] * KotH wouldnt trust any window with >1W lasers
  • [09:44:09] <mrpackethead> get a 1" thick peice of steak
  • [09:44:15] <ynezz> no tatoo?
  • [09:44:21] <mrpackethead> the laser will slice it nicely
  • [09:44:22] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [09:44:44] <KotH> ynezz: i've seen trains of spots on a wall in a laser lab.. that was a low power ps laser...
  • [09:45:04] <KotH> ynezz: now guess what a CW laser would do
  • [09:45:11] <mrpackethead> KotH: 60W C02 lasers wont' cut polycarbonate much more than surface deep
  • [09:45:15] <KotH> ynezz: and then extrapolate to high power lasers
  • [09:45:53] <mrpackethead> teh rest of the system is steel
  • [09:46:03] <mrpackethead> but the steak demostration is graphic
  • [09:46:05] <ynezz> KotH: we've laser here too, but it's boring one, cutting just labels...
  • [09:46:12] <KotH> mrpackethead: i am not worried about cutting, i'm worried about what passes trough the window
  • [09:46:14] <mrpackethead> I might have to get some sheep eyeballs.
  • [09:46:22] <mrpackethead> KotH: Next to nothing
  • [09:46:33] <KotH> mrpackethead: ok, CO2 is 10u and that's quite far away from visible, but still...
  • [09:46:33] * av500 does not have a laser, but knows a guy that has :)
  • [09:46:55] <KotH> av500: i'm pretty sure you own a cd or dvd player ;)
  • [09:47:39] <av500> KotH: no, the real thing
  • [09:47:39] <mrpackethead> I've modifyed our laser to have ain inbuilt CO2 fire exhingshiser
  • [09:47:49] <av500> uni has a laser cutter and I know the guy that operates it :)(
  • [09:48:02] <mrpackethead> hav'nt used it in anger
  • [09:48:03] <mrpackethead> :-)
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  • [09:48:11] <KotH> mrpackethead: iirc 10u does not pass the cornea. but burns on the cornea are pretty bad for your sight as well
  • [09:48:20] <mrpackethead> yeah.
  • [09:48:29] <mrpackethead> its why we have Laser googles
  • [09:48:48] <mrpackethead> but it would be pretty nasty burns on skin as well
  • [09:49:10] <av500> this is close to what we have: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3X-70X-STEREOSCOPIC-BINOCULAR-MICROSCOPE-WITH-BOOM-STAND-/251336665209?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a84d52879
  • [09:49:27] <av500> in form factor
  • [09:49:36] <LetoThe2nd> rumour is that ubuntu 14.04 will be nicknamed Transsexual Troll....
  • [09:49:49] <LetoThe2nd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#T
  • [09:50:54] <keesj> my neiboghr had a company called lastercrafts ( http://lasercrafts.nl/web/ ) and I have the 3d printer. I am thinking of playing with scanning e.g. using something as simple as http://www.makerscanner.com/ so I need a smaller laser now
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  • [09:51:03] <ynezz> and Linux share of the market would increase by 4%
  • [09:51:10] <keesj> to clone kids
  • [09:51:19] <av500> how much is 4% of nothing?
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  • [09:53:01] <keesj> I wonder why I fail at using the BB's for all these projects
  • [09:54:28] <keesj> probably because my laptop is good enough[tm]
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  • [09:56:11] <nomel> woo! my shit works! I'm going to sleep!
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  • [10:08:13] <Gadgetoid> Does anyone know where, exactly, in uEnv.txt on a Beaglebone Black I should put "capemgr.enable_partno=ADAFRUIT-SPI0"
  • [10:08:26] <Gadgetoid> SPI works great if I spool it up manually, but it's a little arduous to do every boot
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  • [10:09:10] <Gadgetoid> And if it's pertinent, I'm working on Ubuntu armhf 3.8.13-bone20
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  • [10:14:42] <Gadgetoid> Also, hello, I've connected a breadboarduino to my Beaglebone Black and successfully flashed a new binary to it
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  • [10:35:38] <dm8tbr> Gadgetoid: sounds like kernel cmdline
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  • [10:39:29] <samael> hello
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  • [10:40:08] <samael> just buying an hdmi adapter for beaglebone black. do I need an 1.4 cable, or 1.3 it's just fine?
  • [10:41:21] <Gadgetoid> samael: where are you based?
  • [10:41:39] <samael> Gadgetoid: italy
  • [10:41:55] <Gadgetoid> Ah, would have recommended a specific one that I've bought and tried myself otherwise
  • [10:42:41] <Gadgetoid> samael: updated HDMI specs are for things like ethernet and 3d, you could hook the beaglebone up with spaghetti and it'd work I suspect
  • [10:43:31] <Gadgetoid> Actually 1.3 was just to support WQXGA which you'll never get out of a Beaglebone Black anyway, so 1.3 or even 1.0 is fine
  • [10:44:18] <samael> ok. being a complete ignorant about video stuff i just wanted to be sure.
  • [10:44:21] <samael> thanks a lot!
  • [10:45:00] <Gadgetoid> samael: I was ignorant of mini/micro HDMI, so my main worry was getting one with the right connector on the end, I didn't even spare version numbers a thought
  • [10:45:11] <XorA> Gadgetoid: furthering your noodly agenda I see ;-)
  • [10:45:17] <Gadgetoid> Full-sized HDMI would have been nice, though!
  • [10:45:44] <Gadgetoid> XorA: Rumbled! Spaghetti jump wires are the best, guaranteed never to short
  • [10:46:29] <Gadgetoid> dm8tbr: you are correct, but sticking it in what looks like the right place has no effect... I suspect it's secretly conflicting with HDMI somehow, although I thought that was just SPI1 and not SPI0
  • [10:47:03] <XorA> c
  • [10:47:41] <Gadgetoid> I'm trying to adapt my Pico PiDuino tutorial for use with the Beaglebone Black too
  • [10:47:54] <Gadgetoid> Although I'm not sure what you'd call a fusion of a BBB and an Arduino
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  • [11:02:20] <Gadgetoid> Next step is getting them talking over Serial
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  • [11:18:04] <RagBal> Anybody has a decent guide on how I can remotely debug a c/c++ program with Eclipse on bbb?
  • [11:18:46] <LetoThe2nd> remote? look at it with a spyglass during an eclipse :=
  • [11:18:50] <LetoThe2nd> *SCNR*
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  • [11:20:49] <RagBal> Yes, with gdbserver
  • [11:24:08] <KotH> RagBal: why not run gdb on the bbb itself?
  • [11:24:28] * KotH was never fond of the debugging capabilities of eclipse
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  • [11:24:36] <RagBal> Because I want to debug from an IDE =)
  • [11:24:49] <KotH> they always felt like i was ponding a stone with a straw
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  • [11:25:53] <RagBal> Well it could be a configuration issue in Eclipse though, it's a nightmare to configure it correctly to cross compile for angstrom
  • [11:26:04] <RagBal> At least, for me it's a nightmare
  • [11:27:59] <Crofton|work> koen, what are the chances of updating conamn in Angstrom?
  • [11:28:20] <KotH> RagBal: cross compilation with eclipse is easy
  • [11:29:01] <KotH> RagBal: debugging c with eclipse needs to be properly configured and it's not obvious how to do that w/o having a tutorial or having read the complete eclipse documentation
  • [11:29:07] <RagBal> Yes, but when I want to debug stuff it needs all the sysroot files, and there is no easy configuration for that it seems
  • [11:29:17] <KotH> RagBal: use gdb directl
  • [11:29:30] <KotH> it works, no pain with configuration and there is no eclipse that gets into your way
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  • [11:30:15] <RagBal> True, but still I want it to work =)
  • [11:31:26] <KotH> http://hertaville.com/2012/09/16/part-3-debugging-openocd-0-6-0/
  • [11:31:28] <KotH> read that
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  • [11:31:52] <KotH> it is a step by step intro into debugging with openocd, which is similar as to use remote gdb
  • [11:32:17] <RagBal> Hmm will read, thank you!
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  • [11:33:13] <KotH> RagBal: send your thanks and good swiss chocolate to woglinde
  • [11:33:18] <koen> Crofton|work: conamn?
  • [11:33:31] <Crofton|work> connman how ever ou spell it :)
  • [11:33:34] <Crofton|work> cfo is asking
  • [11:33:40] <Crofton|work> wants the command line util
  • [11:33:58] <koen> Crofton|work: which version does he need?
  • [11:34:10] <Crofton|work> I would assume what ever is in master
  • [11:34:24] <Crofton|work> is it an easy update, or does it break lots?
  • [11:35:19] <koen> there's 1.4 in v2012.12 and 1.12 in v2013.06
  • [11:35:25] <koen> find out which version he needs first
  • [11:35:29] <Crofton|work> k
  • [11:36:02] <Crofton|work> <cfo215> Anyhow... if I read it right... connmanctl should be included in the 1.12 (i.e. since version 1.7)
  • [11:36:26] <Crofton|work> so swithcing branches to 2013.6 helps
  • [11:36:30] <Crofton|work> default is older?
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  • [11:38:51] <koen> yes, default is v2012.12
  • [11:39:13] <Crofton|work> how do you switch?
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  • [11:40:29] <Crofton|work> edit DISTRO=?
  • [11:40:37] <Crofton|work> in local.conf
  • [11:41:01] <koen> git clone https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts.git ; cd setup-scripts ; git checkout origin/angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4 angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4
  • [11:41:19] <Crofton|work> for an existing checkout just change banches?
  • [11:41:37] <koen> and do 'oebb.sh update' to fix the repos
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  • [12:05:45] <Anguel> hello. i am experimenting with the touchscreen jitter problem. now I have tweaked /etc/ts.conf to pass through values only e.g. > 200. this makes the jitter disappear
  • [12:07:28] <koen> why not use the 16x averaging feature in the hardware?
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  • [12:07:50] <Anguel> the problem is that the touchscreen seems to deliver different pressure values in the different parts, while the upper left part delivers pressure > 300 the lower right part does not deliver values more than 180
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  • [12:09:48] <Anguel> i read the pressure values directly from the driver afaik, i use evtest
  • [12:10:06] <Anguel> koen: i am not an expert and i am not sure where to turn on this averaging in the driver :-(
  • [12:12:09] <Anguel> is it normal that the pressure values vary that much in different parts of the touchscreen?
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  • [12:58:02] <regold> Hi. I've bought a beaglebone (white). How can I use serial connection on it? There isn't a com port like on beagleboard-xm
  • [12:58:52] <Tartarus> The USB gadget port does serial on white
  • [12:59:02] <Tartarus> on black you need a separate FTDI cable
  • [13:00:08] <regold> For usb gadget you mean the mini-usb port?
  • [13:00:12] <Anguel> USB gadget also does serial on Black
  • [13:00:49] <Anguel> yes, mini is a usb composite device - serial + eth-over-usb + mass storage
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  • [13:01:53] <das> mmh, so this zigbee thing works from my phone ... I got two power outlets and one of my colleagues is not here today hehehe
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  • [14:29:00] <Gigin> hi
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  • [15:29:30] <sam_> hi
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  • [15:30:15] <sam_> Can anone please tell me from where can i get Prebuilt android images for Black beaglebone board
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  • [15:34:18] <sam_> any body please reply
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  • [15:35:10] <vvu|Log> sam_: http://icculus.org/~hendersa/BBB_JB_Android_3_8_13.img.bz2
  • [15:35:22] <vvu|Log> you can just google, just saying
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  • [15:37:56] <sam_> thanks for your reply. But it will allow me to flash nand memory or i have create sdcard for that?
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  • [15:38:32] <masta> read their instructions
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  • [15:39:32] <C2H6O_> hey guys
  • [15:39:47] <C2H6O_> just got a beaglebone, trying to put ubuntu on it
  • [15:39:57] <C2H6O_> any tips, suggestions would be highly appreciated
  • [15:40:43] <vvu|Log> sam_: just sdcard
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  • [15:44:16] <davr> C2H6O_: my tips: 1. put ubuntu on microsd, 2. put microsd in beaglebone, 3. connect cables
  • [15:45:01] <vxe> sounds about right
  • [15:45:16] <m_billybob> step 0 buy a serial debug cable / module
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  • [15:57:13] <C2H6O_> can I load ubuntu directly onto eMMC?
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  • [16:00:30] <vxe> C2H6O_: yes
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  • [16:30:38] <VirG> Hello People
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  • [16:35:55] <GeorgeHenrique> I received yesterday my BEAGLEBONE black but I can not install gnumeric. Is it possible?
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  • [16:39:16] <av500> its 2013
  • [16:39:20] <av500> anything is possible
  • [16:39:30] <av500> please define "can not install"
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  • [16:40:26] <GeorgeHenrique> av500 hehehe, it's true
  • [16:40:32] <GeorgeHenrique> well... How I install gnumeric?
  • [16:41:05] <GeorgeHenrique> There is no facility manager in angstrom?
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  • [16:41:56] <koen> opkg install gnumeric
  • [16:42:24] <GeorgeHenrique> nothing happens when I type this
  • [16:42:30] <Crofton|work> opkg update
  • [16:42:46] <av500> opkg list
  • [16:43:47] <GeorgeHenrique> Hmm .. I'll try, but I need to disconnect here to connect the beagle.
  • [16:43:56] <av500> ?
  • [16:44:09] <av500> get a network switch
  • [16:44:19] <av500> saves you from a lot of pain
  • [16:45:23] <GeorgeHenrique> KKKKK. I have, but is that my wi-fi adapter broke.
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  • [16:53:06] <masta> hiya folks, I read recently about patches to get 3.12 booting, but usb peripherials were unhappy.... does that means the ethernet too?
  • [16:54:04] <GeorgeHenrique> av500 yeah :) worked!
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  • [16:57:05] <GeorgeHenrique> I want to translate it to Portuguese of Brazil.
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  • [17:27:04] <VirG> Does anyone know of a VM / Emulator for the Beagle boards? I would like to run a VM of it so I can mess around.
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  • [17:30:14] <VirG> FWIW I'm using VirtualBox.
  • [17:31:34] <agmlego> I think running VMs on the bone is going to mkae you have a bad time.
  • [17:31:38] <agmlego> THat said, xen might work.
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  • [17:35:37] <mru> no it won't
  • [17:36:08] <mru> A8 doesn't have the virt extensions
  • [17:37:10] <VirG> OK.
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  • [17:42:45] <agmlego> mru: Xen does not require VT. THat is the entire point of xen.
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  • [17:45:28] <KotH> agmlego: but it profits greatyl from it
  • [17:45:43] <VirG> What is Xen?
  • [17:45:46] <KotH> does user mode linux still exist?
  • [17:46:00] <agmlego> VirG: Google.
  • [17:46:17] <mru> VT is an x86 thing
  • [17:46:19] <agmlego> KotH: Sure, any virtualisation benefits. But xen does not *require* it.
  • [17:46:46] <KotH> agmlego: for what is worth, neither does qemu require any help for virtualization
  • [17:46:53] <agmlego> True.
  • [17:46:59] <mru> I haven't heard of any arm vm that doesn't need the virt extensions
  • [17:47:08] <agmlego> I have had bad experiences with qemu myself, but I know others use it OK.
  • [17:47:40] <mru> qemu can also do full emulation
  • [17:48:03] <VirG> I already did. However, I do not see the relationship. I am guessing that Xen is a middle layer on which VMs can be created ... or something like that.
  • [17:48:38] <mru> xen is a hypervisor of sorts
  • [17:49:01] <agmlego> VirG: xen is a similar piece of software to VirtualBox.
  • [17:49:11] <VirG> If this is the case, I was not aware that VirtualBox and VMWare were using it.
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  • [17:49:13] <VirG> ahh. OK.
  • [17:49:18] <VirG> Thank you.
  • [17:49:22] <mru> iirc it can run a cooperative guest without hw support
  • [17:50:06] <mru> on x86
  • [17:50:20] <VirG> I believe I confused everyone.
  • [17:50:53] <VirG> I want to emulate the Beagle on my Win or OSX box.
  • [17:51:04] <VirG> not run a VM on the Beagle.
  • [17:51:16] <mru> all mentions I've seen of xen/arm have assumed a15 or better
  • [17:51:29] <VirG> MRU: OK.
  • [17:51:34] <mru> why would you want to do that?
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  • [17:52:09] <VirG> So I can mess around with it without the device. I'm in my office right now but the board is in my car.
  • [17:52:57] <agmlego> qemu, then.
  • [17:52:59] <mru> get two
  • [17:53:12] <mru> qemu sucks
  • [17:53:20] <agmlego> Sure.
  • [17:53:21] <VirG> I have four. Two blacks and two bones. Only one is with me though.
  • [17:53:41] <agmlego> But it *does* allow emulation of non native architectures, and there might be an A8 setup for it.
  • [17:53:57] <VirG> AGMLego, checking that now.
  • [17:54:18] <mru> yes, but the real thing is much better
  • [17:54:45] <agmlego> VirG: I am amused you got the capitalisation correct in my nick, but I have to tell you...tab-completion works in most clients.
  • [17:54:50] <VirG> MRU: no doubt. I just want ... a staging environment ...
  • [17:54:56] <agmlego> mru: No one argues that point.
  • [17:55:16] <agmlego> mru: But if the choice is between emulation or nothing at all, the emulation is the better option.
  • [17:55:25] <VirG> AGMLego: I know I know, I don't use it though and usually just type nicknames out manually.
  • [17:55:34] <VirG> meeting time.
  • [17:55:44] <agmlego> VirG: It is a good habit to get into. ;-P
  • [17:55:49] <mru> waiting a day for the real thing beats emulation
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  • [18:02:43] * KotH needs some sub-20usd embedded linux board
  • [18:02:56] <m_billybob> good luck
  • [18:03:01] <KotH> so i can fill my whole flat with wireless gadgets!
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  • [18:05:13] <georgem> Filling it with chocolate would be cheaper
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  • [18:06:13] <ogra_> depends on the chocolate
  • [18:06:19] <ogra_> (and on the gadgets)
  • [18:06:30] <KotH> filling it with chocolate is definitly more expensive
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  • [18:06:38] <mru> I opened one of these so-called wireless gadgets once, and it had more wires than I could count inside
  • [18:06:45] <KotH> who do you think i am? someone who buys cheap chocolate?
  • [18:07:06] <ogra_> mru, ++
  • [18:08:21] <KotH> meh.. wlan modules cost themselves 20usd in single pieces
  • [18:10:05] <georgem> And a single piece of good chocolate costs more than 20usd?
  • [18:10:17] <KotH> juup
  • [18:10:36] <KotH> you know, usd isnt worth anything these days
  • [18:10:43] <KotH> good chocolate starts from 20chf upwards
  • [18:10:58] <KotH> a box of stuff like cru sauvage is 35chf
  • [18:11:21] <KotH> a "bar" of l??derach costs 20-30chf
  • [18:11:33] <KotH> when you buy them directly at the factory
  • [18:12:48] <georgem> O.o
  • [18:13:59] <georgem> Hmmm.... Sure you're not thinking of crack?
  • [18:14:57] <georgem> Do you have problems with people robbing liquor stores to pay for their habit?
  • [18:16:08] <KotH> we dont have liquor stores
  • [18:16:25] <georgem> oh... umm... well... stores?
  • [18:16:26] <KotH> but we have chocolate shops :)
  • [18:16:31] <georgem> heh
  • [18:16:51] <KotH> and no, there is chocolate for all kinds of budgets
  • [18:17:10] <KotH> cheapest start at iirc 4.5CHF for a small 400g bar
  • [18:17:43] <KotH> hmm.. maybe i should buy a couple of those for elce
  • [18:17:51] <KotH> especially for our usian friends ;)
  • [18:18:11] <georgem> thats a bit more reasonable
  • [18:20:05] <KotH> that's the cheap stuff you buy if you cannot afford anything else
  • [18:20:20] <KotH> very few people sink low enough to not even afford that
  • [18:20:26] <KotH> and those buy german chocolate
  • [18:23:13] <georgem> what type of chocolate are we even talking about here? Can you define a range for the percentage cocoa?
  • [18:23:45] <KotH> uhmm. milk chocolate to 99% black
  • [18:24:04] <KotH> the cheap ones are usually milk with the occasional 60-70%
  • [18:24:17] <mru> it's quality, not quantity
  • [18:24:39] <KotH> and just for the record: just because chocolate has a higher percentage of cocoa doesn't mean it's better
  • [18:24:50] <KotH> usually, it means it's worse
  • [18:25:04] <KotH> most manufacturers mess up when they go over 70%
  • [18:25:45] <mru> well, dark chocolate is inherently neither better nor worse than milk chocolate
  • [18:26:02] <georgem> I'm assuming all of the cocoa is imported, correct?
  • [18:26:04] <Jonnyw2k> I prefer milk
  • [18:26:13] <KotH> mru: it's harder to do it right
  • [18:26:56] <mru> particular specimens can of course be worse
  • [18:29:43] <georgem> I suppose when you talk about quality you're talking about the quality of the original cocoa (and other ingredients) as well as the quality production
  • [18:30:54] <KotH> no, about the quality of the end product
  • [18:31:18] <mru> the quality of the end product obviously depends somewhat on the quality of the ingredients
  • [18:32:03] <georgem> I was just wondering, because with wine for instance the quality of the product depends almost entirely on the quality of the grapes.
  • [18:33:00] <KotH> what mru said
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  • [18:33:22] <mru> I'm sure you can make bad wine from the best grapes too
  • [18:35:30] <vagrantc> yeah, but how fast is this chocolate compared to other SoCs
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  • [18:36:23] <vagrantc> it may come in a pretty wrapper, smell and taste great, but at what wattage?
  • [18:37:11] <georgem> mru: I'm sure you could too, but I think it sounds like it would require a higher degree of incompetence than making bad chocolate from bad cocoa.
  • [18:37:36] <KotH> georgem: nope
  • [18:37:49] <mru> incompetence knows no limits
  • [18:37:50] <KotH> georgem: makeing good chocolate from scratch is actually quite hard
  • [18:38:02] <KotH> georgem: it requires quite some skills to do it right
  • [18:38:38] <georgem> KotH: thats what I was saying actually.
  • [18:38:47] <KotH> georgem: even if you have someone who prepares the raw materials for you and knows how to do that correctly, it's still easy to mess up the cooking
  • [18:39:25] <georgem> KotH: it seems to me like it would be harder to screw up making wine (assuming you had good grapes)
  • [18:39:35] <KotH> juup
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  • [18:43:58] <m_billybob> weeee
  • [18:44:00] <m_billybob> william@arm:~/test$ node test.js
  • [18:44:00] <m_billybob> Debian GNU/Linux 7.1 (wheezy)
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  • [18:44:34] <KotH> m_billybob: my condolences
  • [18:45:01] <m_billybob> KotH, watch -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQVTIJBZook
  • [18:45:32] <m_billybob> its an hour long ;)
  • [18:45:54] <KotH> i'll watch it on +30% speed :)
  • [18:46:50] <m_billybob> "most people who hate javascript dont know the language well and try using it while not knowing how javascript works" or some such quote
  • [18:47:10] <m_billybob> fwiw i am not liking js much me self right now - hence i dotn know itwell either
  • [18:47:11] <KotH> i dont have anything against js in itself
  • [18:47:28] <georgem> I do
  • [18:47:32] <KotH> i think js is not bad as an interpreted programming langugae to be executed in a webbrowser
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  • [18:47:59] <KotH> but i dont think it's the right choice to be used to write a server process
  • [18:48:31] <georgem> KotH: see if this changes your mind: http://www.phpied.com/3-ways-to-define-a-javascript-class/
  • [18:48:34] <m_billybob> perfect fitfor this device. single thread and asynchonous
  • [18:50:03] <KotH> i know c++,nothing can shock me anymore
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  • [18:50:46] <georgem> C++ doesn't even compare. it had some thought put into it prior to being created
  • [18:51:05] <KotH> same for js
  • [18:51:41] <m_billybob> georgem, any language can be bad. it is the developer responcability to write good code
  • [18:52:30] <georgem> m_billybob: If the language is missing simple constructs and forces the developer to devise custom hacks to compensate the language is bad
  • [18:52:42] <m_billybob> me . . . i hate perl with a passion, but i know there are people out there using it, and making good code / money using it too
  • [18:52:44] <KotH> georgem: do you know erlang?
  • [18:53:04] <KotH> m_billybob: perl is my favorite tool language
  • [18:53:18] <KotH> m_billybob: anything is easy with perl (if it doesnt involve processing binary files)
  • [18:53:23] <georgem> KotH: nope
  • [18:53:40] <m_billybob> KotH i've a friend who makes ~160k / year writing perl code
  • [18:53:57] <georgem> KotH: perl is kind of the opposite of javascript. There are too many ways to do things
  • [18:53:59] * KotH is definitly doing something wrong
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  • [18:54:15] <KotH> m_billybob: can you ask your friend how he got that job?
  • [18:54:50] <m_billybob> KotH hes been a contractor for years, one of the notable contracts that I remember was for amazon
  • [18:56:12] <georgem> If you're good with Perl you can get stuff done with it quicker than almost any language. In some cases if you're able get things done really fast that might be more important than other considerations and could earn you a lot of money
  • [18:56:16] <m_billybob> KotH I can tell you. years of experience plus putting his resume out / talkign with recruiters.
  • [18:56:34] <m_billybob> i know because i asked him for someone else recently lol
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  • [18:57:32] <Vaizki> I just throw python at stuff..
  • [18:57:50] <m_billybob> I throw whatever makes sense to me at a project
  • [18:58:19] <Shadyman> Python? Kill it with fire
  • [18:58:33] <m_billybob> in this case right now nodejs + javascript + native C/C++ seems to be about the right mix
  • [18:58:37] <georgem> If you had a client that was switching for some proprietary system to another (think accounting system or health record management or something) all they care is that the system is converted over. If you can do that really quick in Perl no one will care what language you did it in and you can pocket the money and move on to next job.
  • [18:59:08] <m_billybob> georgem assuming the developer in question *knows* perl
  • [18:59:25] <m_billybob> i might do a job best suited in another language becaue i dont know perl
  • [18:59:31] <m_billybob> and i may be able to do it just as fast
  • [18:59:36] <m_billybob> and jus tas well
  • [18:59:54] <KotH> georgem: i'm not good at perl, but data munging is still increadibly quickly written
  • [19:00:13] <KotH> georgem: i even once wrote a half assed vhdl parser in an afternoon just using regexp
  • [19:00:27] <m_billybob> javascript is quickly catching up to perl in that regard me thinks
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  • [19:01:51] <davr> python is visual basic for linux
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  • [19:02:05] <m_billybob> fwiw, personally I like a language that is spoken nearly like english
  • [19:02:10] <m_billybob> davr not even close.
  • [19:03:30] <georgem> I prefer Python
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  • [19:03:50] <davr> cobol is spoken nearly like english
  • [19:03:56] <georgem> But I can see how people could make a crap load of money with Perl
  • [19:04:07] <m_billybob> first visual basic is a compiled language, where python may be able to be compiled but not originally, and it is my own opinion, but i do not exactly know python very well internally, but visual basic has many flaws
  • [19:04:40] <m_billybob> the only flaws i know of about python, is that it forces you do use indentation
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  • [19:04:51] <m_billybob> which isnt necessarily a bad thing
  • [19:04:55] <georgem> m_billybob: right
  • [19:05:09] <GeorgeHenrique> How can I translate my beaglebone? To Portuguese Brazil
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  • [19:05:47] <m_billybob> GeorgeHenrique -> dpkg-reconfigure locale <---- dont knowif this will work on angstorm but will for debian/ubuntu
  • [19:05:54] <georgem> Python's weakness is execution speed
  • [19:06:18] <georgem> vs compiled and JIT
  • [19:06:34] <m_billybob> georgem most inteprited language now days run pretty close if not as close as native code
  • [19:06:50] <m_billybob> well this holds true on windows, cant say about linux
  • [19:06:53] <georgem> A lot do. But not Python
  • [19:06:58] <m_billybob> no ?
  • [19:07:43] <m_billybob> i do notice more CPU usage though with JIT languages
  • [19:07:50] <georgem> http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u32/performance.php
  • [19:07:53] <m_billybob> even on the ones just asfast
  • [19:09:04] <m_billybob> JavaScript V8 #2 42.14 42.23 8,016 1527 0% 0% 0% 100%
  • [19:09:18] <m_billybob> i knew somethign was up but you kow what else georgem ?
  • [19:09:43] <m_billybob> this is all going to be subjective from system to system and various other factors
  • [19:09:57] <georgem> thats why you can narrow some of the parameters
  • [19:09:57] <m_billybob> no doubt C is goign ot be fast but where is the asm listing ?
  • [19:10:25] <m_billybob> and wow ADA kicks butt
  • [19:11:21] <m_billybob> georgem, there are python compilers thugh right ?
  • [19:11:38] <m_billybob> as in to native code
  • [19:11:44] <georgem> change the benchmark to get a better idea. if you know what kind of algorithms you'll be using you can pick benchmarks
  • [19:12:19] <m_billybob> ah'
  • [19:12:28] <georgem> not really. There are a few projects but I think they are still experimental
  • [19:12:56] <m_billybob> well the older i get though also, ive gotten more into sometimes fast enough is . . .fast enough
  • [19:13:07] <m_billybob> fast is good in some thigns but not always needed
  • [19:13:30] <georgem> sometimes its how fast it takes to write the program, not how fast the program runs that counts :)
  • [19:13:47] <georgem> and thats how perl can end up making some people lots of money
  • [19:13:55] <m_billybob> or what makes the most sense for a given project
  • [19:14:03] <georgem> well yes
  • [19:14:26] <m_billybob> I have two other options id use for my bbb appliance, and neither one seems to be up for the job
  • [19:14:28] <georgem> certainly many considerations
  • [19:14:41] <m_billybob> mostly due to not having arm compatible code
  • [19:15:05] <m_billybob> snorkle <--- embedded web server SDK would be #1 on my list
  • [19:15:20] <m_billybob> .NET / Mono <--- would be #2
  • [19:16:52] <georgem> Python is good for most cases
  • [19:16:59] <georgem> IMHO
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  • [19:19:53] <georgem> Lots of good web frameworks for Python if thats what you're looking for
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  • [19:22:32] <georgem> Just don't expect write a fast fourier transform in Python :)
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  • [19:23:57] <vvu|Log> to pipe an .xz image to dd is "xz -c image.xz | dd of=/dev/mmcblk1" ?
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  • [19:27:25] <georgem> looks right
  • [19:27:45] <georgem> you could just use xzcat too
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  • [19:31:54] <vvu|Log> georgem: i`m doing now xz -cd image.img.xz > /dev/mmcblk1
  • [19:31:57] <vvu|Log> and it`s not working right
  • [19:32:22] <vvu|Log> i want to flash my eMMC like this and it flashed it but seems like the fat partition it`s not good, at least the ROM does not find MLO
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  • [19:32:49] <georgem> Umm. I think someone tried to do that earlier and we came to the conclusion that they were using the wrong image file
  • [19:33:00] <vvu|Log> i have good image file
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  • [19:33:14] <georgem> 2GiB?
  • [19:33:18] <vvu|Log> yup
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  • [19:34:21] <georgem> Try dd then (thats what I'd use in the first place) but I don't think it would make a difference
  • [19:35:00] <vvu|Log> need to figure out what is happening
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  • [19:35:22] <georgem> check the partitions with fdisk?
  • [19:35:26] <georgem> try mounting them?
  • [19:35:35] <vvu|Log> i am now running angstrom from uSD
  • [19:35:43] <vvu|Log> and the eMMC is *flashed* with what is supposed
  • [19:36:24] <georgem> Reboot off of the uSD again (if eMMC won't boot)
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  • [19:36:34] <vvu|Log> http://pastebin.com/KTd3taMQ
  • [19:36:38] <vvu|Log> this is my fdisk -l
  • [19:36:42] <vvu|Log> the partition is there
  • [19:36:48] <vvu|Log> mmcblk1 is eMMC when booting from uSD
  • [19:36:59] <vvu|Log> any idea how can i see the content of the eMMC fat partition
  • [19:37:19] <vvu|Log> i`m a bit noob in linux and how things get mounted here
  • [19:37:20] <m_billybob> yup
  • [19:37:51] <m_billybob> mount /dev/mmcblkxx /media/path
  • [19:38:02] <georgem> see if they mount
  • [19:38:11] <m_billybob> you may have to create the directory in media first or you can create a different path
  • [19:38:41] <vvu|Log> it says that is already mounted
  • [19:38:48] <m_billybob> mount
  • [19:38:53] <vvu|Log> yup
  • [19:38:53] <m_billybob> what does "mount" say
  • [19:39:05] <m_billybob> ah ok then jus tgo to that path
  • [19:39:08] <georgem> give us the output of mount
  • [19:39:25] <georgem> you shouldn't have it mounted if you're reflashing it. then it would be screwed
  • [19:39:25] <vvu|Log> http://pastebin.com/9ubKU5ys
  • [19:39:41] <vvu|Log> no no, i`m flashing when i`m booting from ram
  • [19:39:48] <vvu|Log> booting the chip over usb with a custom ramdisk
  • [19:39:51] <vvu|Log> send image via serial
  • [19:39:53] <vvu|Log> then flash it
  • [19:40:03] <vvu|Log> nothing is mounted in my ramdisk
  • [19:40:07] <georgem> oh ok. umm
  • [19:40:09] <vvu|Log> it`s in /media/BEAGLEBONE
  • [19:40:13] <vvu|Log> the fat partition from eMMC
  • [19:40:19] <m_billybob> vvu so uenv.txt is good then ?
  • [19:40:30] <georgem> yeah. whats in there
  • [19:40:38] <vvu|Log> root@beaglebone:/media/BEAGLEBONE# ls
  • [19:40:39] <vvu|Log> App Drivers LICENSE.txt README.md autorun.inf uEnv.txt
  • [19:40:39] <vvu|Log> Docs ID.txt MLO START.htm u-boot.img
  • [19:40:41] <m_billybob> fat is your boot partition
  • [19:40:45] <vvu|Log> sorry for not pastebin it :)
  • [19:40:46] <m_billybob> ah ok
  • [19:40:54] <vvu|Log> optargs=quiet drm.debug=7
  • [19:41:00] <vvu|Log> my uEnv.txt
  • [19:41:10] <m_billybob> so stock
  • [19:41:12] <SilicaGel> I wonder what the time difference REALLY is when toggling a GPIO pin from the PRUSS directly (mode 6 or whatever it is) via R30 ... versus letting it just be a GPIO pin and communicating to it fromt he pruss via the interconnect
  • [19:41:24] <georgem> looks fine to me. Should work assuming the image worked at all
  • [19:41:28] <SilicaGel> 10s of nsec ?
  • [19:41:35] <vvu|Log> the image koen provided
  • [19:41:50] <m_billybob> vvu maybe ping koen, ive heard of this problem before on the groups i think but never heard of the resolution
  • [19:42:04] <vvu|Log> he`s sleeping now i think
  • [19:42:10] <vvu|Log> how can i unmount the eMMC ?
  • [19:42:13] <m_billybob> perhaps panto
  • [19:42:22] <m_billybob> umount
  • [19:42:22] <georgem> My friend had a problem with the switch
  • [19:42:38] <m_billybob> umount /path/to/mount/
  • [19:42:39] <georgem> I tapped it a few times and it started booting off eMMC again
  • [19:42:51] <vvu|Log> command not found :D
  • [19:43:02] <m_billybob> umount commnd not found ?
  • [19:43:03] <m_billybob> wtf
  • [19:43:17] <georgem> umount not unmount
  • [19:43:18] <m_billybob> opkg install umount lol
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  • [19:43:38] <m_billybob> yes U M O U N T
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  • [19:43:55] <vvu|Log> ok
  • [19:44:03] <vvu|Log> let me dd the stuff
  • [19:44:10] <vvu|Log> and then get back to you if it won`t work
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  • [19:45:04] <m_billybob> mmmm nummy lunch
  • [19:45:25] <vvu|Log> freakin problems
  • [19:45:42] <vvu|Log> i so hoped i will finish my project in time and now have all this awkward bugs
  • [19:46:25] <m_billybob> vvu why not just using dd if=/path/to/file of=/dev/mmcblkx etc ?
  • [19:46:47] <vvu|Log> i think i have dd on busybox right?
  • [19:46:57] <m_billybob> not sure
  • [19:46:59] <koen> xz -cd foo.xz > /dev/mmcblkx does the same as dd
  • [19:47:32] <koen> and saves the extra step of manually uncompressing stuff
  • [19:47:56] <m_billybob> never tried it
  • [19:48:18] <m_billybob> koen so piping his image to disk why wouldnt MLO be found ?
  • [19:48:23] <vvu|Log> trying now with xzcat
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  • [19:48:37] <vvu|Log> koen: with the image you gave it it`s like MLO does not get find at all
  • [19:48:53] <vvu|Log> i`m flashing it with xz -cd image > /dev/mmcblk0 *when no uSD is inserted*
  • [19:49:03] <vvu|Log> and when uSD is inserted eMMC is mapped as /dev/mmcblk1
  • [19:49:41] <m_billybob> vvu network boot / flash ?
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  • [19:49:48] <vvu|Log> usb boot
  • [19:49:54] <vvu|Log> from Android device
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  • [19:50:06] <m_billybob> vvu, did you ever give hdparm a shot on your drive to see how fast it was ?
  • [19:50:13] <m_billybob> ah nvm lol
  • [19:50:18] <m_billybob> slow slow slow
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  • [19:51:19] <m_billybob> vvu, seriously id be interested in seeing performancedata sometime.
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  • [19:51:40] <m_billybob> all my own RNDIS test failed fairly badly
  • [19:51:45] <m_billybob> tests*
  • [19:51:52] <vvu|Log> koen: my init script is http://pastebin.com/APfhesiN
  • [19:52:15] <vvu|Log> transfering the image to the board in .xz format takes like 5 minutes
  • [19:52:20] <vvu|Log> and flashing to eMMC takes like 20 minutes
  • [19:52:33] <vvu|Log> so overall compared to the eMMC flasher is better
  • [19:52:35] <koen> vvu|Log: it should work, it's a direct dump from a BBB on my desk :)
  • [19:53:05] <vvu|Log> now i`m trying to write it while booted from a uSD
  • [19:53:09] <vvu|Log> to see if it works this way
  • [19:53:47] <koen> vvu|Log: I've noticed a few "features" of the emmc controller
  • [19:53:55] <vvu|Log> like ?
  • [19:54:23] <koen> flashing works best if you zero out the first ~10MB (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M count=10)
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  • [19:54:37] <m_billybob> I was noticing earlier that uSD hotplug still seems to be buggy. crashed my bbb again after like a minute
  • [19:54:40] <m_billybob> ah . . .
  • [19:54:45] <koen> and after writing it, you need to read back a few MB (e.g. 40) to flush the controller
  • [19:55:11] <m_billybob> koen, seriously ?
  • [19:55:18] <vvu|Log> but anyway i`m doing a reboot afterwards to flushing it goes automatically i think so
  • [19:55:25] <koen> m_billybob: yes
  • [19:55:42] <koen> m_billybob: the readback thing got rid of a ton of "file missing" heisenbugs
  • [19:56:27] <m_billybob> koen, wierd never heard of that before.
  • [19:56:46] <m_billybob> learn somethign new every day
  • [19:57:08] <koen> I never reproduced it
  • [19:57:25] <koen> but the tester at the factory would pick out a few boards
  • [19:57:42] <koen> stuff like that happens when you have to do something a 100k times :)
  • [19:57:48] <m_billybob> vvu, lol man you have a LOT of mountpoints ;)
  • [19:57:52] <m_billybob> koen sure
  • [19:58:06] <vvu|Log> in the mount pastebin?
  • [19:58:10] <m_billybob> yeah
  • [19:58:13] <vvu|Log> it`s the default Angstrom one
  • [19:58:19] <m_billybob> ah
  • [19:58:19] <vvu|Log> booted from a fresh uSD
  • [19:58:26] <koen> anyway, zzzz time
  • [19:58:32] <m_billybob> good night
  • [19:58:41] <vvu|Log> koen: okei will announce you 2morrow about the status
  • [19:59:00] <m_billybob> vvu i have 10
  • [19:59:18] <m_billybob> sd emmc and a nfs root
  • [19:59:26] <vvu|Log> eh don`t really care
  • [19:59:27] <m_billybob> many tmpfs's
  • [19:59:41] <vvu|Log> anyway i never stayed more than 20 mins with angstrom on :)
  • [19:59:49] <vvu|Log> was too busy to boot the freakin chip
  • [19:59:51] <m_billybob> hehehe
  • [20:00:10] <vvu|Log> it`s so shitty implemented
  • [20:00:16] <m_billybob> hmm ?
  • [20:00:22] <vvu|Log> the AM335x can do OTG but the ROM does not implement it
  • [20:00:38] <m_billybob> thats pretty lame
  • [20:00:50] <vvu|Log> and i need to hack the android kernel to make it play well with the ROM
  • [20:00:58] <mru> put some angst in the rom
  • [20:01:46] <vvu|Log> need to get an intern position at TI and tell my problems to the engineers directly ! *a bit of WAR*
  • [20:02:59] <vvu|Log> also wanted to ask you guys what companies are good to intern at *soft eng but in the hw domain like TI, Cisco, Qualcomm* ?
  • [20:03:19] <vvu|Log> i`m in my 2nd year at univeristy and until the 3rd year we need to have a 3 months internship somewhere
  • [20:03:45] <m_billybob> intel perhaps
  • [20:03:59] <vvu|Log> but i heard intel does not really care about interns that much
  • [20:04:04] <vvu|Log> also nVidia is on my list
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  • [20:04:18] <m_billybob> you could always ask myanostay
  • [20:04:24] <m_billybob> mranostay*
  • [20:04:47] <m_billybob> you cold pm him maybe he'll reply
  • [20:04:56] <m_billybob> hes on he server but not in any channels
  • [20:04:59] <vvu|Log> will do it these days
  • [20:06:27] <vvu|Log> some other ideas except the ones i said before ?
  • [20:06:56] <vvu|Log> koen did xzcat image.img.xz | dd of=/dev/mmcblk1
  • [20:06:58] <vvu|Log> and same result
  • [20:07:16] <vvu|Log> maybe image is bad somehow ?
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  • [20:09:29] <m_billybob> xz -cd foo.xz > /dev/mmcblkx does the same as dd <--- is what koen said
  • [20:09:36] <vvu|Log> yeah
  • [20:10:00] <m_billybob> is ther a checksum you cantest against ?
  • [20:10:17] <vvu|Log> don`t think it got corrupted while dwlding
  • [20:10:46] <m_billybob> he said he dumped it off a workign bbb on his desk
  • [20:11:10] <m_billybob> whats the exact eror message ?
  • [20:11:25] <vvu|Log> it goes into USB boot mode
  • [20:11:38] <m_billybob> hmmm
  • [20:11:40] <vvu|Log> usb boot mode is the last boot mode tested
  • [20:11:49] <vvu|Log> 1st is eMMC then uSD then UART
  • [20:11:51] <vvu|Log> then usb
  • [20:12:41] <m_billybob> you have a serial debug cable i am assuming ?
  • [20:12:47] <vvu|Log> yup
  • [20:13:03] <m_billybob> try removing he USB cable
  • [20:13:09] <vvu|Log> it is removed
  • [20:13:10] <m_billybob> see what error it gives
  • [20:13:12] <m_billybob> ah
  • [20:13:30] <vvu|Log> yup the image got downloaded fully before dding
  • [20:14:15] <m_billybob> i dont really know much about MLO not sure why it wouldnt work
  • [20:14:30] <m_billybob> boot flag was set on the first partition i saw that
  • [20:15:00] <vvu|Log> maybe my eMMC got screwed ?:))
  • [20:15:21] <vvu|Log> i have another board, one more test with this one then switch to that one
  • [20:15:33] <m_billybob> and /dev/mmcblk0p1/drivers has the am335x boneblack dtb ?
  • [20:15:46] <vvu|Log> it does not care
  • [20:15:55] <vvu|Log> i should have seen the MLO boot mesages
  • [20:16:01] <vvu|Log> the dtb is only for the kernel
  • [20:16:13] <m_billybob> right ok
  • [20:16:55] <m_billybob> can always build your own uboot / MLO -> ug
  • [20:16:59] <vvu|Log> at least now i can hack my pebble watch
  • [20:17:15] <vvu|Log> yeah but the ROM does not see even this one
  • [20:17:21] <vvu|Log> it would be useless to build it myself
  • [20:17:44] <m_billybob> so you think the ROM is somehow "bad" ?
  • [20:17:54] <vvu|Log> dunno
  • [20:17:58] <vvu|Log> don`t think so
  • [20:18:02] <vvu|Log> i`m doing one more test
  • [20:18:08] <vvu|Log> then remove all power and see how it goes
  • [20:18:32] <m_billybob> you do have everything but power disconnected while flashing yes ?
  • [20:18:41] <vvu|Log> yeah
  • [20:18:44] <vvu|Log> ethernet cable
  • [20:18:47] <m_billybob> ok, jus tchecking
  • [20:18:57] <vvu|Log> but still won`t affect it :-? think os
  • [20:18:58] <vvu|Log> so
  • [20:19:12] <m_billybob> it can very easily effect it
  • [20:19:27] <m_billybob> if you power via USB 2.0especially
  • [20:19:43] <vvu|Log> i`m powering from 5v external source
  • [20:22:16] <m_billybob> i have had this problem once in a while where the BBB wont boot, but power LED is the only LED that comes on. when i unplug the power, and plug it back in usually it works find afterwards. SOmetimes i have to do this more than once
  • [20:22:27] <m_billybob> this does not sound like that problem though
  • [20:23:20] <vvu|Log> ok same result, now switched to another board
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  • [20:28:48] <_av500_> ?
  • [20:29:00] <_av500_> all the SW?
  • [20:29:20] <vvu|Log> MAGIC! i think the eMMC is wacked on my 1st board
  • [20:29:32] <_av500_> have a look at all the SW packages and lookup their translation efforts
  • [20:29:58] <georgem> vvu|Log: One of my friends had a problem and it was just faulty button. If you tapped it would make it work
  • [20:30:27] <vvu|Log> you say the S2 to be hacked ?
  • [20:31:02] <georgem> Is S2 the one that controls the boot?
  • [20:31:22] <georgem> If so, make sure its not faulty
  • [20:31:34] <m_billybob> vvu did you use dd to zero out the emmc like koen suggested ?
  • [20:31:44] <vvu|Log> yup
  • [20:31:51] <m_billybob> ok
  • [20:31:54] <vvu|Log> georgem: don`t have multimeter to test the button
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  • [20:46:50] <vvu|Log> m_billybob: works now
  • [20:46:54] <vvu|Log> my other board is stuck
  • [20:46:58] <vvu|Log> in usb booot mode
  • [20:47:15] <vvu|Log> atleast my app works :)
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