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  • [00:00:49] <shapr> Is BeagleBot running on a beaglebone?
  • [00:01:03] <ion> s
  • [00:01:33] <shapr> BeagleBot: help
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  • [00:04:16] <Ed___> hi there, can anyone help me with pwm pins please ?
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  • [00:05:52] <ds2> certainly someone CAN help
  • [00:05:55] <ds2> will they?
  • [00:07:21] <Ed___> hope so
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  • [00:07:51] <mru> well, they can't take hope away
  • [00:10:12] <Ed___> do you know whats the max frequency for pwm ports? I need to get 8 kHz output
  • [00:10:34] <mru> sounds like something that should be in the manual
  • [00:10:42] <mru> either the trm or the datasheet
  • [00:12:14] <Ed___> I checked the reference manual, beagleboard website, google group ... there is no direct indication and I am not electronic guy so I couldn't check it in board parts...
  • [00:12:49] <mru> this would be in the am335x trm or datasheet
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  • [00:13:08] <Ed___> but every time I try to go high with the frequency I get error for any value more than 2kHz
  • [00:14:17] <Ed___> checking thanks...
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  • [01:03:49] <monzie> the bbk has an inet address, the router sees it, but another host on the network apparently cannot
  • [01:06:10] <monzie> I can ssh from the host if I ping the bbk first
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  • [01:45:40] <Skippy_> I have BBB and am trying to install i2c by kelly korevec at github.com/kelly/node-12c. I set error with "npm install i2c". Error is "ImportError: No module named filecmp"
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  • [01:50:28] <m_billybob> so why automatically ask that question in here? ask the question in #node, or wtf eve their support irc channe; they have
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  • [03:24:29] <science_geek> hello?
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  • [04:22:08] <mrpackethead> are we arguimg
  • [04:29:28] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: any earthquake in your region?
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  • [05:14:30] <raju> hi
  • [05:14:45] <mrpackethead> hello raju
  • [05:15:00] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: earthquakes are in decline
  • [05:15:41] <raju> can any one help me how to boot the beagle-XM
  • [05:16:30] <raju> how to start up board bring up with linux
  • [05:17:21] <raju> hello
  • [05:18:25] <raju> hello <mrpackethead>
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  • [06:11:01] <Navdeep_> Hello
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  • [06:52:36] <Rajesh> Hi
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  • [07:23:39] <kishor> When I start my BBB I found that the logo of penguin appears on the screen after about 15 seconds, how can I reduce this time to 0???
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  • [07:29:16] <kishor> When I start my BeagleBoneBlack I found that the logo of penguin appears on the screen after about 15 seconds, how can I reduce this time to 0???
  • [07:34:41] <kishor> Is there anyone to help??
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  • [07:39:40] <_av500_> print a penguin, vut it out and glue it to the right place on your monitor
  • [07:39:43] <_av500_> cut it out
  • [07:40:05] <_av500_> kishor: also, you have asked that before, here and on the mailing list, you got answers to your questions
  • [07:40:20] <_av500_> so, stop wasting our time by asking again
  • [07:47:39] <kishor> Sorry, But I am not satisfied with your answer.
  • [07:47:54] <ds2> it is apparent,_YOU_ can't.
  • [07:49:44] <dm8tbr> butbutbut exact steps!
  • [07:51:02] <kishor> And I am asking this question first time.
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  • [08:05:02] <_av500_> no
  • [08:05:12] <_av500_> you are asking for short boot times all the time
  • [08:05:48] <_av500_> if you really just want the logo at 0s, then you need to teach the boot loader to drive HDMI and display the logo there
  • [08:05:54] <_av500_> thats doable
  • [08:05:58] <_av500_> but a waste of time
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  • [08:51:56] <ppi> How can I reduce delay to 0 between power on BBB and appearance of penguin logo on screen?
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  • [08:56:58] <ppi> How can I reduce delay to 0 between power on BBB and appearance of penguin logo on screen?
  • [08:57:09] <SpeedEvil> You can't.
  • [08:57:37] <SpeedEvil> What is your actual app?
  • [08:58:50] <ppi> That delay is about 15 second
  • [09:04:20] <ppi> @I am running a .Net .exe , I want that application to run within 5 second on screen.
  • [09:05:36] <SpeedEvil> You're running an .exe on the beagle - how?
  • [09:07:13] <ppi> Why are you asking me that detail??
  • [09:07:52] <SpeedEvil> Because it seems impossible.
  • [09:08:25] <SpeedEvil> And hence your question is not a real one, but is being asked for some reason other than actually finding an answer.
  • [09:09:03] <SpeedEvil> Or, at best, you are misguided, and asking in the wrong place about the wrong hardware.
  • [09:09:15] <ppi> No , Its nothing like that. I am using a mono framework to run .Net .
  • [09:11:06] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
  • [09:11:34] <SpeedEvil> Well, then the answer is basically - you can't. It's never going to start immediately. The only way to do it is to keep the beagle powered.
  • [09:12:15] <SpeedEvil> Either in the normal operating state - or some form of lower power suspend. Unfortunately, the stock beagle config does not do low power suspend very well
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  • [09:14:04] <ppi> That is very big limitation with BBB.. :(
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  • [09:14:25] <SpeedEvil> Err.
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  • [09:14:35] <SpeedEvil> It's a limitiation with almost every single computer out there.
  • [09:15:06] <ppi> I see..
  • [09:15:25] <ppi> But 15 sec is too much large....
  • [09:16:21] <SpeedEvil> Is it 15s till your app is actually running?
  • [09:16:22] <dnil> ppi, Systems that require low latency to perform a task are kept powered.
  • [09:16:28] <SpeedEvil> Because that would surprise me with mono
  • [09:16:50] <dnil> ppi, So put the system to sleep, not power off
  • [09:17:05] <dnil> ppi, That is the only way to achieve low latency
  • [09:17:43] <SpeedEvil> Not strictly the only - for example XIP flash.
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  • [09:18:15] <SpeedEvil> However, I'm not aware of any sensible scale systems with this.
  • [09:18:18] <ppi> @SpeedEvil After power on its taking about 25 seconds to run my application.
  • [09:18:23] <dnil> SpeedEvil, Yeah, but on a BBB...
  • [09:18:44] <SpeedEvil> In principle - you may be able to reduce time between power on and your application running somewhat.
  • [09:18:50] <SpeedEvil> Half may be achievable.
  • [09:18:55] <SpeedEvil> (as a guess)
  • [09:18:58] <SpeedEvil> 0 isn't.
  • [09:19:05] <ppi> how??
  • [09:19:07] <SpeedEvil> Unless you have the system powered beforehand.
  • [09:19:23] <SpeedEvil> By optimising the boot process, and using fast storage.
  • [09:19:45] <SpeedEvil> Why can't you have the beagle powered before the user wants it?
  • [09:19:46] <ppi> If I reboot , my application is running within 14 seconds.
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  • [09:21:17] <ppi> dmesg is showing the booting time 11 sec
  • [09:21:38] <ppi> And to load the mono framework its taking 3 seconds
  • [09:22:45] <ppi> But when I shutdown PC and Power ON then its giving me 15 seconds of delay to show only the logo of penguin...
  • [09:23:20] <SpeedEvil> There is stuff that happens before linux starts to boot.
  • [09:23:40] <ppi> And total time to run my application =15+14=29
  • [09:24:28] <ppi> Can I reduce that total time to about 10 second?
  • [09:25:08] <SpeedEvil> Firstly - why can't you have the system powered before the user wants it?
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  • [09:25:16] <SpeedEvil> As that'd be the easy way
  • [09:26:37] <ppi> Because its customer requirement.
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  • [09:27:38] <freinhard> koen: could you add the difference between MACHINE=beaglebone/beagleboard to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom ?
  • [09:28:10] <freinhard> koen: and the FAQ and wiki links on angstrom-distribution.org are dead
  • [09:28:12] <SpeedEvil> I would suggest first ditching mono, and then going with a customised linux distribution which starts very limited services before starting your application directly.
  • [09:28:22] <SpeedEvil> As a linux executable.
  • [09:29:06] <SpeedEvil> Secondly - you need to investigate why it takes 14s to get to the penguin. It may be that you cannot reduce boot time on the beagle below that, and you need to pick new hardware
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  • [09:30:38] <ppi> ok, Thank you for the help.
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  • [09:32:56] <SpeedEvil> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Sitara_Linux_Training:_Boot_Time_Reduction
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  • [10:00:37] <mrpackethead> mranostay: we're dead
  • [10:00:48] <mrpackethead> i'm just mph's ghost-bot
  • [10:01:17] <mranostay> crap i'm in drunkland
  • [10:02:31] <mranostay> mrpackethead: how are kiwis doing?
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  • [10:09:24] <vvu> koen: any idea if in the future the angstrom images will be supplied with .zip extension instead of .xz ?
  • [10:11:09] <eazoua> I am wondering if it is possible to update the bbb image using a usb stick instead of a microsd card?
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  • [10:43:40] <GregThomson> can firefox browser work with flash player plug in on Angstrom OS?
  • [10:48:18] <dnil> GregThomson, I haven't tested this myself but it looks promising: http://www.ti.com/tool/adobeflash-a8
  • [10:49:44] <GregThomson> Thanks, I will check it out
  • [10:57:25] <mrpackethead> mranostay: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/16279_10151806503007661_422501749_n.jpg
  • [10:57:47] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: haha, so the old "change my nick and ask again" trick worked :)
  • [10:57:52] <mrpackethead> the drums been using a lot of ink today
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  • [11:03:42] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: I hadn't read backscroll
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  • [11:14:52] <_av500_> the best part is "Because its customer requirement" :)
  • [11:16:48] * SpeedEvil wishes there was a reasonably priced devboard that did sane poweraving
  • [11:17:20] <SpeedEvil> - say 10mA idle@3.3V
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  • [11:30:01] <_av500_> power raving?
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  • [11:32:49] <SpeedEvil> lol
  • [11:32:52] <SpeedEvil> Powersaving
  • [11:33:22] <mru> power craving
  • [11:33:50] * _av500_ prefers power carving
  • [11:33:52] <SpeedEvil> And no - 500mW (say) is not a whole heap of power in many cases.
  • [11:34:14] <SpeedEvil> But I did the actual numbers to power a pi@2.5W 24*7 solar.
  • [11:34:26] <SpeedEvil> I ended up with a 250W panel and 100Ah 12V battery
  • [11:34:35] <SpeedEvil> And it still may drop out several nights a year.
  • [11:34:52] <SpeedEvil> (Scotland - january/december can be very, very dull with short days and basically no sun)
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  • [11:47:57] <mru> great, the mx for freescale.com has blacklisted my ip address
  • [11:47:58] <Stoob> SpeedEvil: really, 250w panel?
  • [11:48:16] <Stoob> i guess the battery charging is pretty lossy plus you don't get full wattage out of it
  • [11:48:28] <Stoob> but still that *seems* really overkill
  • [11:49:59] <dnil> mru, A year back I attempted to use both arm neon intrinsics and LTO at the same time with gcc 4.6, but that failed due to gcc limitations. Do you know if this was ever resolved?
  • [11:50:21] <mru> intrinsics have nothing to do with lto
  • [11:50:54] <dnil> I know, but if you attempted to use them with gcc 4.6 and enabled LTO gcc would crash
  • [11:51:13] <mru> I don't doubt that lto had problems
  • [11:51:22] <mru> but neon intrinsics has nothing to do with that
  • [11:51:28] <SpeedEvil> Stoob: It's more that you can get a month when the panel output doesn't exceed 70W or so.
  • [11:51:47] <SpeedEvil> Stoob: And that is a top number, not a daily max.
  • [11:52:00] <SpeedEvil> Stoob: And the functional daylight can be 4-6 hours or so.
  • [11:52:03] <dnil> mru, If I remember correctly, it was considered an LTO bug.
  • [11:52:35] <Stoob> SpeedEvil: nah, i totally get that
  • [11:52:45] <Stoob> but 250w just souunds like overkill
  • [11:52:50] <SpeedEvil> Stoob: For about Mar-Oct - it's absolutely overkill - in summer - it's ludicrous
  • [11:53:07] <Stoob> lol
  • [11:53:12] <SpeedEvil> This was based on 10 minutely outputs from a local panel.
  • [11:53:35] <dnil> mru, Using the neon intrinsics in the application gave about 10% performance improvement, and so did LTO. Would have been great to be able to use both at the same time...
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  • [11:53:55] <Stoob> is it a fixed panel or one that can rotate to follow the sun's height/elevation
  • [11:54:07] <SpeedEvil> Fixed
  • [11:54:16] <SpeedEvil> The sun basically doesn't move in the winter
  • [11:54:18] <Stoob> yeah that does make it a little worse too
  • [11:54:23] <mru> dnil: lto made a difference? wtf?
  • [11:54:38] <mru> your app must be horribly structured in that case
  • [11:54:55] <mru> anyway, gcc 4.6 is buggy as hell
  • [11:54:57] <mru> don't use it
  • [11:55:26] <dnil> mru, Why are you surprised? Isn't that the point of Link Time Optimization?
  • [11:55:28] <SpeedEvil> It comes up southeast, and sets southwest - rising only a few degrees over thr horizon - and most of the solar output is from diffuse light anyway. A tracker helps a little - but really not much
  • [11:55:42] <mru> dnil: that's the theory, yes
  • [11:55:50] <mru> in practice I've never seen it make more than 1% different
  • [11:55:54] <mru> difference
  • [11:56:01] <mru> and that could swing either way
  • [11:56:46] <dnil> mru, Ok, well in this case it helped quite a bit.
  • [11:56:59] <mru> which is why I say your app must be dreadfully designed
  • [11:57:21] <mru> the only time you'd get that much difference is if you're calling tiny functions millions of times
  • [11:58:10] <dnil> mru, It is a very large application, do yes there are a lot of functions calling wrapper functions etc
  • [11:58:27] <mru> so it's a disgustingly designed app
  • [11:58:29] <mru> go figure
  • [11:58:42] <dnil> No it is not
  • [11:58:57] <mru> if there are that many wrappers and micro-funcs, yes
  • [11:59:02] <dnil> I'll test gcc 4.7+ when I get a chance
  • [12:00:06] <mru> I had the misfortune of working on a system once where someone a long time ago had had the foresight to put an abstraction layer between the app and the OS
  • [12:00:46] <mru> unfortunately, since then each time the app had been used on a new system, someone had added another wrapper instead of adapting the existing one
  • [12:01:18] <dnil> mru, Yep, that is pretty common.
  • [12:01:25] <dnil> I recognize that...
  • [12:01:38] <mru> I counted at least 5 wrappers for simple things like semaphores
  • [12:03:22] <dnil> Agreed, it is ugly and hurts performance.
  • [12:04:54] <SpeedEvil> dnil: But the new chip goes 1.5* faster!
  • [12:05:07] <SpeedEvil> So it's still 1.3* as fast.
  • [12:05:10] <SpeedEvil> Who cares!
  • [12:05:13] * SpeedEvil mehs.
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  • [12:36:52] <nkh> Hi guys
  • [12:37:10] <nkh> I had problem with USB mouse and keyboard on bb RevC4
  • [12:37:29] <mru> go on
  • [12:37:43] <nkh> I found that it's because of wrong MLO and u-boot, I build all from the latest u-boot source
  • [12:37:45] <SpeedEvil> Did it grow fangs, and eat your dog?
  • [12:38:06] <mru> I doubt u-boot can make a usb keyboard fail
  • [12:38:46] <nkh> mru, on C4, EHCI circuit does not power on automatically and there is a u-boot patch to do it on boot
  • [12:39:17] <nkh> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#U-Boot
  • [12:39:22] <mru> I thought the kernel did such things
  • [12:39:55] <nkh> the wiki seems old because the code in beagle.c file in latest u-boot source seems fine
  • [12:41:02] <nkh> but I wonder how's that possible that I can attach a thumb drive and mount it
  • [12:41:16] <nkh> I googled a lot
  • [12:41:27] <nkh> and tried all the ways I found
  • [12:42:00] <nkh> I also tried externaly powered hub, it did not work
  • [12:42:36] <nkh> btw, I powered it through my PC USB port, does it cause a difference?
  • [12:44:23] <nkh> I've completely lost my hope, if anyone has a C4 , I'd be glad to see how their USB keyboard/mouse is working
  • [12:44:33] <nkh> maybe try their files, too.
  • [12:44:44] <nkh> MLO/u-boot/uImage
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  • [13:35:19] <Ariadeno> Hello guya
  • [13:35:26] <Ariadeno> *guys
  • [13:37:02] <Ariadeno> Does anyone know when the SGX drivers for linux 3.8 will come out.
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  • [13:40:11] <Ariadeno> I've managed to fit my BBB in a modified GBA SP case. The only thing I'm waiting for is the SGX driver so I can run Pcsx rearmed and mupen64plus
  • [13:42:46] <Ariadeno> Any idea when it will be released?
  • [13:44:53] <SpeedEvil> Why do you need 3.8?
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  • [13:45:32] <Ariadeno> I dont really need 3.8
  • [13:45:46] <Ariadeno> But it comes with the board I guess
  • [13:45:51] <SpeedEvil> Oh
  • [13:45:52] <SpeedEvil> nvm
  • [13:46:36] <Ariadeno> But they have been working on the drivers, arent they?
  • [13:47:16] <Ariadeno> *haven't they?
  • [13:49:35] * SpeedEvil has no clue.
  • [13:51:41] <Ariadeno> hmm.. It looks like I am the only one eager to use the power of SGX
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  • [14:23:57] <rick_> friends
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  • [14:24:40] <rick_> im planning to build a dual-screen tablet, which OS would be easier to implement? Android? or Ubuntu?
  • [14:25:15] <mru> does either of those support more than one display?
  • [14:25:39] <mru> and what does that have to do with beagle?
  • [14:25:52] <mru> none of the beagles can drive more than a single screen
  • [14:25:58] <mru> unless you do some serious external trickery
  • [14:26:14] <rick_> i though i could use one display via HDMI and the other via USB
  • [14:26:21] <mru> usb, are you serious?
  • [14:26:56] <rick_> uh, sorry bro, any other way can i implement two screens on a single tablet?
  • [14:27:08] <mru> use a chip with multiple display drivers
  • [14:28:08] <rick_> thanks a lot! :D
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  • [14:48:14] <vin_> i want real time OS with BBB and angstrom
  • [14:48:24] <vin_> so angstrom with xenomai co kernal
  • [14:48:25] <mru> uh huh?
  • [14:48:34] <vin_> is it a good choice??
  • [14:48:41] <mru> depends on what you want to do
  • [14:48:59] <vin_> i want to develop quadcopter
  • [14:49:16] <mru> aren't there already like a zillion of those done?
  • [14:49:43] <vin_> means what??
  • [14:51:11] <vin_> can you help me with xenomai installation in angstrom environment or cud u suggest some better way than that
  • [14:51:39] <mru> sorry, can't help with that
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  • [14:53:12] <vin_> k just tell me that angstrom is soft real time or completely general purpose OS??
  • [14:53:23] <KotH> .o0(mit imperialen sternenkreuzern auf spatzen schiessen)
  • [14:54:06] <vin_> anybody plz help
  • [14:54:12] <KotH> vin_: 1) BBB or any embedded linux system for that matter is totally oversized by a dozen orders of magnitude for what you want to do
  • [14:54:26] <KotH> vin_: 2) use an arduino or any other uC board instead
  • [14:55:01] <KotH> vin_: 3) if you still want to go the embedded linux road, learn linux first. you wont be able to do anything without that knowledge
  • [14:55:44] <KotH> oh.. and before i forget:
  • [14:55:53] <KotH> vin_: 4) learn how to learn things by yourself
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  • [14:58:26] <mru> might need to learn how to learn how to learn first
  • [14:58:56] <KotH> well, being at the indian institute of technology in banglore should do the trick... maybe
  • [14:59:10] <emeb_mac> you're all missing the point. today's path to learning is to get into a chat room and ask someone else to tell you the answer.
  • [14:59:34] <mru> #exactsteps
  • [15:00:13] <KotH> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/160
  • [15:00:50] <mru> there really is one for every occasion there
  • [15:01:04] <KotH> not yet, but we are comming closer to that every day :)
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  • [15:12:37] <_av500_> mru: can you put up the kid's latest g+ comment there too
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  • [15:14:24] <mru> which is?
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  • [15:33:45] <emeb_mac> "verbs are for the weak" ?
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  • [18:24:16] <xkernel> how to extend beagleboard with GSM module?
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  • [18:24:37] <mru> 1. connect gsm module to appropriate interface
  • [18:24:45] <mru> 2. load necessary drivers
  • [18:24:48] <mru> 3. configure
  • [18:26:23] <KotH> 4. ...
  • [18:26:27] <KotH> 5. profit
  • [18:28:08] <xkernel> I mean where can I find compatible modules for the Beagleboard?
  • [18:28:32] <mru> at your favourite gsm module vendor
  • [18:30:18] <KotH> there is even a gsm cape, for the lazy ones
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  • [18:33:33] <ds2> just bluetooth tether
  • [18:33:50] <mru> eek
  • [18:34:27] <ds2> it works fine
  • [18:34:37] <ds2> use it on an almost daily basis
  • [18:34:38] * KotH agrees with mru there
  • [18:34:52] <ds2> both SPP and PAN profiles too
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  • [18:37:59] <dnil> There we go! BBB with my audio amplifier cape installed and playing music in the ceiling speakers. Works nicely, multi-room audio is pretty neat.
  • [18:38:27] <mru> get a usb module with ACM interface
  • [18:38:35] <mru> amp cape?
  • [18:38:44] <dnil> https://plus.google.com/115316620351874989032/posts/gyxyPoK1LQL
  • [18:39:11] <dnil> mru, Yes, I designed a cape with an audio amplifier and audio codec
  • [18:39:22] <mru> how much output power?
  • [18:39:37] <dnil> mru, Max 2x26W
  • [18:40:07] <mru> that's not entirely useless
  • [18:40:24] <dnil> Thanks :-)
  • [18:40:55] <KotH> ieeeck! pulseaudio!
  • [18:41:02] <mru> what KotH said
  • [18:41:52] <mru> I was (foolishly) trying to help someone with an audio problem the other day
  • [18:42:00] <mru> pulseaudio kept getting in the way
  • [18:42:07] <mru> that thing is impossible to kill
  • [18:42:13] <dnil> Pulse does a good job in this setup, the rtp protocol allows keeping audio in sync on all players
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  • [18:42:42] <dnil> It is actually pretty sensitive when you are playing in many locations at the same time.
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  • [18:43:16] <KotH> mru: there is a way: anchantments, holy water, and uninstallation of all pulseaudio related stuff.... then reboot
  • [18:43:17] <mru> it's impossible to synchronise audio from two sources
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  • [18:43:22] <mru> for more than one listening location
  • [18:43:28] <dnil> Any delay between two players in different rooms will be noticeable
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  • [18:43:46] <mru> KotH: she thought of uninstalling it on her own
  • [18:43:50] <dnil> mru, This is single source, multiple players
  • [18:44:07] <mru> a load-speaker is a source
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  • [18:44:39] <mru> the speed of sound is low enough that it matters
  • [18:45:01] <dnil> Ok, fine. The RTP protocol in pulse allows to sync this close enough (together with NTP) so that audio appears to the ear to play in sync in all locations
  • [18:45:14] <KotH> mru: dont waste your breath...
  • [18:45:24] <BITS> Hi, can anyone suggest Hard-Real time OS for BB-xm ?
  • [18:45:27] <mru> dnil: that's not possible
  • [18:45:36] <mru> it's elementary physics
  • [18:45:56] <KotH> BITS: the one you write yourself
  • [18:46:29] <mru> wrong answer, it's not a hard realtime chip
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  • [18:47:02] <BITS> real time os like Vxworks,RTlinux
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  • [18:47:19] <KotH> mru: well, if you set your hard limit at 1ms, the chip will be able to deliver that :)
  • [18:47:29] <mru> KotH: depends on what else is happening
  • [18:47:32] <dnil> mru, With this setup I can achieve pretty much what you can do with Sonos but with Linux and BBB
  • [18:47:46] <mru> KotH: if you cause enough contention on the interconnect there's no telling what happens
  • [18:47:49] <fmilo> hello everyone, I have a beaglebone attached to my macosx and after installing the drivers for the FTDI port I don't see any /dev/tty.USB how can I debug ?
  • [18:47:58] <KotH> mru: hmm? you mean even 1ms cannot be guarranteed?
  • [18:48:07] <KotH> (modulo spelling)
  • [18:48:13] <mru> KotH: it's probably hard to make it fail
  • [18:48:27] <KotH> but still theoreticall possible...
  • [18:48:31] <KotH> hmm...
  • [18:48:32] <mru> but I doubt anyone has done a worst-case calculation
  • [18:49:10] <mru> dnil: my solution is to simply turn up the volume
  • [18:49:50] <dnil> mru, That also works !
  • [18:50:08] <KotH> mru: so it ought to be a cortex-r?
  • [18:50:55] <dnil> I tried using mopidy on the "mpd server", that also works and I can stream from spotify out over gstreamer and pulse to all audio players.
  • [18:51:12] <mru> KotH: it's not just the cpu
  • [18:51:29] <KotH> mru: sure, the software has to match too...
  • [18:51:42] <mru> it's everything surrounding the cpu too
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  • [18:51:52] <KotH> juup
  • [18:51:56] <mru> memory interface, dma controllers, other peripherals
  • [18:52:03] <BITS> can anyone suggest Hard-Real time OS for BB-xm ?(for beginner)
  • [18:52:15] <KotH> BITS: there aint no rtos for beginners
  • [18:52:19] <mru> qnx
  • [18:52:38] <mru> easy to get going, posix programming environment
  • [18:52:55] <BITS> i worked on Ubuntu
  • [18:52:57] <KotH> and easy to mess up royaly if you dont understand what it's doing underneath
  • [18:53:10] <mru> KotH: that's true for everything
  • [18:53:15] <dnil> BITS, http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/tools-software/rtos.page#arm
  • [18:53:26] <KotH> mru: but rtos make it easier to shoot your feet
  • [18:53:35] <mranostay> nom nom food cart
  • [18:53:39] <mru> it's easy to kill the realtime promises
  • [18:54:14] <KotH> juup
  • [18:54:39] <KotH> *sigh*
  • [18:54:55] * mranostay gives out hugs and clock cycle to mru + KotH
  • [18:54:57] <KotH> why is the world so fucking complicated
  • [18:55:06] <KotH> thanks mranostay
  • [18:55:12] <KotH> have some chocolate :)
  • [18:55:32] <mru> KotH: I think it's the women's fault
  • [18:55:47] <KotH> yeah.. they are the root of all evil!
  • [18:56:02] <mru> I wouldn't call them inherently evil
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  • [18:56:36] <mranostay> it just works out that way
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  • [18:57:05] <mru> sure, bad things happen unless you're very, very careful
  • [18:57:32] <mru> and due to quantum effects shit can happen spontaneously too
  • [18:58:03] <KotH> yeah.. virtual bad things particles! i've been victim of those as well!
  • [18:59:21] <mranostay> are we talking women or realtime?
  • [18:59:31] <mru> does it matter?
  • [18:59:33] <KotH> arent both the same?
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  • [19:12:13] <mranostay> KotH: well women usually take real time
  • [19:12:50] <mru> and they set deadlines
  • [19:13:13] <mru> of course they don't actually tell you when the deadline is
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  • [19:28:17] <emeb_mac> mru knows things
  • [19:29:05] <mru> mostly I just make stuff up
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  • [19:31:51] <KotH> surviving in this world of madnes is just a matter of guessing better than others
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  • [19:34:30] <ynezz> nice suggestion: "Please ensure you are using a pdf reader that supports 256bit encryption. I believe there are several free options for Linux."
  • [19:35:06] <ynezz> instead of reading I should spend next hours fixing their crap
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  • [19:36:41] <ynezz> hm, and I wonder what's that password protection/encryption about - what if I print the PDF to another PDF? (I've bought "allowed to print" option)
  • [19:37:19] * mru uses xpdf with print restriction disabled
  • [19:37:52] <ynezz> anyway it's a book from FreeRTOS (funny as hell, providing opensource software for free, but books impossible to read by opensource software)
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  • [19:40:45] <xkernel> is it a good idea to run a production web, mail servers on beagleboard with Ubuntu?
  • [19:41:31] <KotH> ynezz: freertos uses a very weak version of oss...
  • [19:41:48] <ynezz> version?
  • [19:41:52] <KotH> xkernel: is it a good idea to live in new york?
  • [19:42:16] <ynezz> xkernel: if you've five customers, then yes
  • [19:42:21] <mru> xkernel: no
  • [19:42:26] <mru> not under any circumstances
  • [19:42:51] <KotH> ynezz: it's a modified gpl that takes away from you the right to modify and give it away to others, or learn from its code and do your own kernel
  • [19:42:57] <xkernel> I'm thinking to build a small data center with ARM boards
  • [19:43:09] <xkernel> it doesn't need much power and cooling systems
  • [19:44:57] * KotH nods
  • [19:45:14] <KotH> yes.. small data center... out of arm boards... needs no cooling... yeah...
  • [19:46:07] <ynezz> KotH: and where's that written?
  • [19:46:23] <KotH> ynezz: please dont tell me you have not read the license?
  • [19:46:44] <ynezz> I did, but I didn't read the same as you
  • [19:47:25] <ynezz> "Do I have to offer to provide the FreeRTOS code to users of my application?" Yes
  • [19:49:05] <KotH> ynezz: read the two "exception" clauses
  • [19:49:17] <ynezz> I did
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  • [19:49:56] <ynezz> its just less viral GPL
  • [19:50:23] <KotH> erm.. it's as viral as the gpl
  • [19:50:25] <mru> ip geolocation is hilariously inaccurate
  • [19:50:29] <KotH> and at the same time taints you
  • [19:50:53] <mru> bird-flu licence
  • [19:51:50] <ynezz> KotH: can you point me at the exact sentence please? I'm blind
  • [19:52:42] * KotH points at the license
  • [19:52:56] <KotH> damn.. i finished reading 3x3....
  • [19:53:01] <KotH> what shall i do now?
  • [19:53:11] <KotH> my life has lost all its meaning!
  • [19:54:01] <ynezz> ok then
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  • [20:07:21] <mrpackethead> trolls
  • [20:07:43] <KotH> hobittsesssss....
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  • [20:17:18] <mrpackethead> i want a self cleaning laptop
  • [20:17:25] <mrpackethead> laptops are cesspits of badness.
  • [20:17:40] <mru> buy a new one every 2 years
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  • [20:19:00] <SpeedEvil> Vacuum cleaner helps
  • [20:19:28] <SpeedEvil> However - use the little 'reduce suction' hole in the vacuum cleaner lead - or you will pop off keys
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  • [20:41:35] <emeb_mac> never buying a white laptop again
  • [20:42:00] <mru> my latest is black metal
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  • [20:52:18] <emeb_mac> shiny!
  • [20:53:14] <mru> matte, actually
  • [20:57:47] <clemahieu> I'm looking at the AM335x manual for the BBB, I see the GPIO pins map directly to the GPIO registers in this manual, does anyone know to what registers the analog in AIN* pins map to in this manual?
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  • [21:11:06] <SpeedEvil> Search for ADC
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  • [21:12:23] <clemahieu> Thanks, looks like it's part of the touchscreen controller.
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  • [21:20:08] <radius9_> I have a BBB, and I used Robert Nelson's script to copy from SD card to mmc. When I boot from MMC, with the sd card removed, I'm getting errors reading mmcblk0p2 right after "Running /scripts/local-premount". mmcblk0p2 is the sd card, so I'm trying to nail down in the boot process where it's failing
  • [21:21:07] <radius9_> Anyone have an idea where that would be happening? The script I found, I'm just not sure where in the boot process I'm at when that is accessed
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  • [21:34:28] <Skycamera> hello
  • [21:34:46] <Skycamera> i want to show you my project with beaglebone black
  • [21:34:57] <Skycamera> it is the result
  • [21:35:01] <Skycamera> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd5HTopyuSo
  • [21:40:17] <Skycamera> d
  • [21:40:26] <Skycamera> hello
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  • [22:35:32] <seaman> hello guys..does the angstrom distro been built with vfp math (arm7hf)?
  • [22:35:45] <mru> should be
  • [22:35:54] <seaman> thank you
  • [22:35:55] <mru> well, you can built it however you want yourself of course
  • [22:36:12] <seaman> I was trying to get documentation about the process
  • [22:36:39] <seaman> I also saw this: http://www.armhf.com
  • [22:37:08] <seaman> should I continue with angstrom or with to debian?
  • [22:37:19] <seaman> ..switch..
  • [22:42:49] <seaman> does anybody has personal preference or experience about choosing between angstrom or debian, gentoo, arklinux..? thank you
  • [22:43:03] <seaman> a part package management...
  • [22:43:14] <seaman> just performance comparison
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  • [23:42:57] <mranostay> hmmm is git plugin for jenkins horriblely broken?
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  • [23:46:29] <mranostay> hi Shadyman
  • [23:46:34] <Shadyman> hey
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  • [23:57:50] <radius9_> On the BBB, I wrote my OS to eMMC, and now I'm getting mmcblk0: error -84 on boot. Is this my MMC going bad, or is something else wrong?