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  • [00:25:30] <SpeedEvil> yes
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  • [01:35:21] <brm> hey guys .. anyone know how to add gadget-init from mesa-beagleboard to my custom layer in yocto?
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  • [01:43:46] <brm> hi there, anyone know how to include mesa-beagleboard recipes
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  • [01:54:21] <ds2> there should something like bblayers.conf
  • [01:54:22] <ds2> edit that
  • [01:54:24] <ds2> IIRC
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  • [01:58:31] <brm> hi, i have included it ok, but on boot it says I am missing g_ether module
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  • [01:59:47] <brm> actual error is: FATAL: Module g_ether not found.
  • [02:00:12] <brm> is that a kernel module I have to configure?
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  • [02:03:33] <brm> i see the gadget-init inherits systemd, does that mean I have to change my build to systemd?
  • [02:03:39] <brm> if so how do I do that?
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  • [03:45:03] <emeb_mac> wassamatta?
  • [03:46:56] <ds2> #beagle is becoming a catch all
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  • [04:04:53] <emeb_mac> becoming?
  • [04:05:01] <emeb_mac> been for a while
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  • [04:19:13] <dm8tbr> that's why there are professional places too ;)
  • [04:20:48] <emeb_mac> all the real work gets done in person @ ELC
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  • [04:23:10] <ds2> heheh
  • [04:23:13] <m_billybob> stil could beworse
  • [04:23:25] <m_billybob> beer / wine / alcohol makes everything ok :)
  • [04:24:29] <m_billybob> ds2 exactsteps for rasbian on BBB now please thanks.
  • [04:24:47] <ds2> goto the nearest cliff
  • [04:24:52] <ds2> jump.
  • [04:24:53] * m_billybob chuckels just before he ducks
  • [04:25:02] <m_billybob> too late.
  • [04:25:05] <ds2> repeat til rasbian appears on BBB
  • [04:25:11] <m_billybob> lol
  • [04:25:51] <m_billybob> no cliff nearby please help ?
  • [04:25:56] <m_billybob> will abridge work too ?
  • [04:27:27] <ds2> no, must use a cliff.
  • [04:27:45] <ds2> cannot abridge the process
  • [04:31:18] <mranostay> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/140
  • [04:31:27] <mranostay> @ emeb_mac
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  • [04:34:42] <m_billybob> dahm, guess ill have to relocate to complete my goal
  • [04:36:09] <m_billybob> what we need for this channel is a cartoon for chat bot
  • [04:36:25] <m_billybob> would like to see the explanation of rasbian on BBB illustrated
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  • [04:37:04] <m_billybob> ds2 head first right ?
  • [04:37:08] <m_billybob> ;)
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  • [04:43:03] <mranostay> av500: leave it to you to find the random rubber in frame... :P
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  • [04:58:46] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: are you about?
  • [05:00:12] <mranostay> RUN!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • [05:00:44] * ka6sox goes back to his layout...
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  • [05:21:42] <emeb_mac> mrpacket_: you rang?
  • [05:22:16] * KotH yawns
  • [05:22:38] <KotH> mranostay: do you even know how to handle a bomb belt? ;)
  • [05:23:03] <mrpacket_> emeb_mac: yeah
  • [05:23:09] <mrpacket_> hold a sec
  • [05:23:14] <mrpacket_> just pastebin somethign
  • [05:23:21] <av500> mranostay: google tagged it
  • [05:23:25] <ka6sox> hiya emeb_mac
  • [05:23:31] <emeb_mac> hi ka6sox
  • [05:23:39] <emeb_mac> still up north?
  • [05:23:46] <ka6sox> nope, home!
  • [05:23:50] <emeb_mac> yay!
  • [05:23:52] <ka6sox> yay!
  • [05:23:59] <mrpacket_> https://gist.github.com/mrpackethead/446054b98aa443366680
  • [05:24:11] <mrpacket_> emeb_mac: any idea what this might mean is faulty
  • [05:24:42] <emeb_mac> mrpacket_: odd
  • [05:24:56] <emeb_mac> generally means that the FPGA gave up on the bitstream
  • [05:25:19] <emeb_mac> I haven't seen that since debugging the streaming code
  • [05:25:48] <av500> dont parse the yellow bitstream
  • [05:26:29] <mrpacket_> i have four bccs
  • [05:26:31] <mrpacket_> two work fine
  • [05:26:33] <mrpacket_> two dont.
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  • [05:26:38] <ds2> ka6sox: how's the smoke?
  • [05:27:05] <mrpacket_> do U304 and U303 have much to do with things?
  • [05:28:03] <emeb_mac> yeah - if those aren't right you can't program
  • [05:28:51] <emeb_mac> 304 controls the load mode - master spi vs slave serial
  • [05:29:36] <mrpacket_> i wonder if they are cuasing my problme
  • [05:29:43] <emeb_mac> 303 selects data source - flash vs host
  • [05:29:48] <emeb_mac> could be
  • [05:30:29] <emeb_mac> either one hooked up wrong could cause what you're seeing
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  • [05:32:53] <mrpacket_> emeb_mac: :-) your a genous!
  • [05:33:04] <mrpacket_> I coud'nt see a fault
  • [05:33:18] <mrpacket_> but i've hit them with the iron
  • [05:33:23] <mrpacket_> fault gone away
  • [05:33:41] <emeb_mac> yeah - those footprints are not ideal for hand soldering.
  • [05:33:51] <emeb_mac> if I were to lay that out all over those would change.
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  • [05:34:36] <mrpacket_> no.
  • [05:34:36] <mrpacket_> :-)
  • [05:34:42] <mrpacket_> on the spartan 6 board
  • [05:34:43] <mrpacket_> :-)
  • [05:35:26] <emeb_mac> won't use those if/when I do an S6
  • [05:35:33] <emeb_mac> no flash on that planned
  • [05:37:53] <ka6sox> ds2, smoke?
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  • [05:38:38] <mrpacket_> emeb_mac: if you work out out the schematic
  • [05:38:41] <mrpacket_> i'll do the board layout for you
  • [05:38:45] <mrpacket_> and select componetns
  • [05:38:49] <mrpacket_> and make it manufacturable
  • [05:39:27] <emeb_mac> mrpacket_: worth considering
  • [05:39:33] <mrpacket_> i'm suprized mranostay has'nt done somethign with FPGA's
  • [05:39:40] <mrpacket_> maybe hes too buzy drinking
  • [05:39:43] <mrpacket_> ok, i have to cook dinner
  • [05:39:45] <mrpacket_> back soon
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  • [05:43:01] <ds2> ka6sox: isn't there fires down ur way?
  • [05:43:30] <ka6sox> 130miles away
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  • [05:45:37] <ka6sox> the Silver fire is contained and I'm no longer worried about it.
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  • [05:59:03] <mranostay> mrpacket_: not yet
  • [05:59:34] * mranostay checks tracker for his build system
  • [06:01:44] <panto> moaning
  • [06:02:24] <mranostay> panto: HEY SEXY
  • [06:02:35] <panto> barf
  • [06:02:40] <m_billybob> living in calif. when is there *not* a fire nearby
  • [06:02:46] <m_billybob> morning panto
  • [06:03:06] <mranostay> someone remind me gpios on the bone are at 20 mA max right?
  • [06:03:08] <panto> hi m_billybob
  • [06:04:24] <mranostay> so current limit on a LED is overkill
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  • [06:06:28] <m_billybob> mranostay that much ? i was always told that 6mA for any gpio is typical. perhaps i was told wrong
  • [06:06:48] <m_billybob> well ~6mA but yeah idk
  • [06:08:20] <mrpacket_> emeb_mac: how much is invoved with putting a spartan6 on a cape
  • [06:09:57] <av500> mranostay: 4mA or so
  • [06:10:21] <av500> so just slap your random RED led and let it burn
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  • [06:10:30] <mrpacket_> mranostay: are you suggesting that putting a currnet limiting resistor in series with a LED attached to a GPIO is a bad idea?
  • [06:10:46] <mranostay> no
  • [06:10:55] <mranostay> just that isn't needed
  • [06:11:08] <mrpacket_> i did'tn think so
  • [06:11:08] <mrpacket_> i was just checking
  • [06:11:08] <mrpacket_> huh?
  • [06:11:12] <mrpacket_> whats limiting the currnet then?
  • [06:11:20] <av500> the silicon
  • [06:11:27] <m_billybob> the blue smoke
  • [06:11:46] <av500> excess current gets converted to smoke
  • [06:11:54] <mrpacket_> ahh.
  • [06:11:58] <panto> efficient CO2 production
  • [06:12:05] * m_billybob giggles
  • [06:12:41] <av500> mranostay: the 5V DCin is just a play to sell PSUs, just plug it into wall power directly.....
  • [06:13:03] <av500> just try with your finger which contact is grounded first
  • [06:13:19] <mranostay> why are my friends assholes and trolls :
  • [06:13:21] <mranostay> :)
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  • [06:13:56] <av500> mranostay: because of the company you keep
  • [06:14:10] <av500> and recently, the company that keeps you
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  • [06:16:47] <m_billybob> where's cheech ?
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  • [06:18:00] <chong> Hi, i have problems to use wifi on beaglebone version A6a
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  • [06:18:50] <chong> kernel version 3.8.13,build follow http://beagleboard.org/linux
  • [06:19:43] <chong> dmesg errors
  • [06:19:45] <chong> [ 628.485754] usb 1-1: ath9k_htc: Firmware htc_9271.fw requested
  • [06:19:46] <chong> [ 628.496888] hub 1-0:1.0: state 7 ports 1 chg 0000 evt 0002
  • [06:19:46] <chong> [ 628.497004] hub 1-0:1.0: port 1 enable change, status 00000503
  • [06:19:49] <chong> [ 629.203581] usb 1-1: kworker/0:1 timed out on ep0out len=4096/4096
  • [06:19:49] <chong> [ 629.203651] usb 1-1: ath9k_htc: Firmware - htc_9271.fw download failed
  • [06:19:52] <chong> [ 629.212349] usb 1-1: unregistering interface 1-1:1.0
  • [06:19:55] <chong> [ 629.214973] usb 1-1: ath9k_htc: USB layer deinitialized
  • [06:19:59] <chong> [ 629.225197] usb 1-1: usb_disable_device nuking non-ep0 URBs
  • [06:20:19] <panto> do you have the /lib/firmware/htc_9271.fw file?
  • [06:20:38] <chong> panto: yes, i have checked
  • [06:21:16] <panto> no idea then
  • [06:21:23] <panto> there's nothing special about the beaglebone
  • [06:21:55] <panto> try to find some place that can help you with the specific wifi dongle
  • [06:22:02] <chong> It seems some crash on usb kernel driver
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  • [06:22:23] <chong> i try to change another type wifi dougle, still not work
  • [06:22:40] <panto> I don't know
  • [06:22:50] <panto> why don't you try with one of the known-working wifi dongles
  • [06:23:05] <mrpacket_> if i put a red led directly on a GPIO, will opencv work under ubuntu
  • [06:23:18] <m_billybob> heh heh heh
  • [06:23:38] <m_billybob> mrpacket_ ok that made me giggle irl
  • [06:23:40] <chong> panto: maybe 3.8 kernel is not stable enough
  • [06:24:03] <m_billybob> or maybe USB dongle support is not staticall ycompiled into the kernel
  • [06:24:32] <mrpacket_> m_billybob: maybe a red led, 4.1 kernal, usbwifi, no resitor and ubutun we can make opencv work
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  • [06:25:59] <m_billybob> mrpacket_, maybe but you still may need an arduino connected to UART2
  • [06:27:52] <m_billybob> takign a good long look at node, something ive been meaning to do for some time. pretty nifty
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  • [06:30:05] <woglinde> pastebin pastebin
  • [06:31:54] <m_billybob> panto, i thought atheros was well supported on Linux + ARM
  • [06:32:02] <panto> m_billybob, it is
  • [06:32:17] <panto> but there are a gazillion usb wifi dongles out there
  • [06:32:46] <panto> who really knows what corners the .cn shop that's pumping them out cut
  • [06:32:48] <woglinde> and usb stuff on beagles are not the best
  • [06:32:56] <panto> woglinde, I know
  • [06:33:02] <panto> oh, how I know
  • [06:33:09] <woglinde> *g*
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  • [06:33:32] <m_billybob> I did notice while compiling my wn kernel a while back many drivers are not even compiled to modules so . .yeah idk where im going with that except perhaps that might be the first place id check if i had issues.
  • [06:33:52] <panto> right, it's pretty hard
  • [06:34:13] <panto> it's an embedded board, but not sold as such
  • [06:34:26] <panto> people expect it to work like a desktop
  • [06:34:37] <panto> and then stuff happens that they have no idea how to fix
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  • [06:35:54] <ds2> learn to debug the kernel!$!@$!@#$#@!#!@$@#!$@!!@!@#@!#
  • [06:37:03] <ds2> atheros doesn't mean atheros
  • [06:37:17] <ds2> they acquired another company and a lot of those dongles floating around are the other chipset
  • [06:37:22] <ds2> and it uses a different driver
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  • [06:38:32] <panto> ds2, I'm a little behind on wifi chipset minutiae
  • [06:38:41] <woglinde> but it is ath9k
  • [06:38:58] <panto> but yeah, buying something for $10, expect corners to be cut
  • [06:39:00] <ds2> panto: this was a few years ago before qcom got them
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  • [06:39:28] <ds2> you might be better off with a Ralink
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  • [06:40:32] <av500> buy BCM
  • [06:40:49] <woglinde> *g* use TI wifi
  • [06:40:51] <panto> ds2, they're crappy too
  • [06:41:04] <panto> wifi has been a race to the bottom
  • [06:41:08] <mrpacket_> i use ethernet / wifi bridges
  • [06:41:17] <mrpacket_> transparent to the kernel
  • [06:41:19] <mrpacket_> and it just works
  • [06:41:22] <panto> mrpacket_, +1
  • [06:41:33] <panto> but your product can afford the cost
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  • [06:41:52] <mrpacket_> i dont' make any products with wifi
  • [06:41:59] <ds2> panto: they have gotten worse? the mfg was reasonable about stuff a few years ago
  • [06:42:29] <mrpacket_> but what i've used at home for the watertank project is a bridge
  • [06:42:49] <panto> ds2, lots of problems with ralink usb dongles on the list
  • [06:43:03] <ds2> blah
  • [06:43:10] <av500> Intel wifi works on my laptop
  • [06:43:20] <woglinde> av500 its pci
  • [06:43:22] <ds2> had the realtek stuff improved over ralink?
  • [06:44:06] <av500> woglinde: so?
  • [06:44:27] <emeb_mac> 10 yrs ago I used to work on ISIL wifi chipsets. then they sold that to connexant and it all went pffft.
  • [06:44:37] <woglinde> av500 problem here is usb
  • [06:44:56] <ds2> emeb_mac: those were not USB
  • [06:45:08] <ds2> USB wifi blows...just some blows less
  • [06:45:14] <av500> UBS is fine, there is no problem with USB, please move along
  • [06:45:31] <panto> I would think a cape that used mini pci wifi modules would be nice
  • [06:45:34] <woglinde> musb for the win
  • [06:45:42] <m_billybob> grrrr
  • [06:45:42] <woglinde> panto sell one
  • [06:45:47] <m_billybob> So now im curious, why is USB not the best on beagle ?
  • [06:45:51] * m_billybob lost connection again
  • [06:45:51] <av500> ...Head of Animal Nutrition Research (Ref. EU-5618)... Linkedin is so good at targetting job ads
  • [06:45:56] <ds2> you can do that with a CF WiFi
  • [06:46:08] <panto> av500, keep saying that, eventually will be true
  • [06:46:09] <av500> m_billybob: because musb
  • [06:46:20] <m_billybob> software issue then ?
  • [06:46:22] <av500> panto: I have an endless tape on my walkman
  • [06:46:25] <av500> m_billybob: no
  • [06:46:29] <av500> yes
  • [06:46:31] <av500> maybe
  • [06:46:33] <ynezz> hm, pci on BBB?
  • [06:46:34] <av500> all of the above
  • [06:46:41] <av500> PRUCI
  • [06:46:56] <ynezz> that's nasty
  • [06:46:57] <ds2> That's why you use the BBC/BBX
  • [06:46:57] <panto> probably would be fine for low speed PCI
  • [06:47:02] <ds2> you can avoid MUSB there ;)
  • [06:47:11] <panto> wifi doesn't need that much bandwidth
  • [06:47:25] <ds2> SDIO baby!
  • [06:47:27] <av500> ds2: how about a BBX cape for the BBB?
  • [06:47:31] <av500> ds2: +1
  • [06:47:36] <panto> heh
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  • [06:49:19] <av500> mahlzeit
  • [06:49:48] <ynezz> just connect carambola2 over ethernet, done
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  • [06:49:59] <av500> or that
  • [06:50:03] * mranostay sleeps 3600 *8
  • [06:50:03] <av500> carambocape
  • [06:50:22] * av500 interrupts mranostay with -EAGAIN
  • [06:51:19] <chong> kernel 3.8 opened hungup task detect on my beaglebone
  • [06:51:22] <rob_w> mahlzeit
  • [06:51:24] <mranostay> bite me old man
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  • [06:51:46] <chong> frequntly usb driver hung up detected
  • [06:51:48] <chong> [ 541.953724] ath: phy0: Unable to remove station entry for: 6c:e8:73:fc:ea:50
  • [06:51:48] <chong> [ 600.221328] INFO: task kworker/0:2:73 blocked for more than 60 seconds.
  • [06:51:49] <chong> [ 600.228357] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
  • [06:51:51] <chong> [ 600.236611] kworker/0:2 D c0378cc1 0 73 2 0x00000000
  • [06:51:55] <ynezz> more!
  • [06:52:08] <panto> heading out for a bit
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  • [06:52:22] <panto> keep calm and keep trolling in the meantime
  • [06:52:58] <chong> who can tell me how to debug which function was blocked in kernel?
  • [06:53:44] <ynezz> mr. printk
  • [06:54:02] <chong> ynezz: more fast way?
  • [06:54:23] <emeb_mac> ds2: some of our ISIL wifi stuff had USB, but I don't know if any of it ever made it to market
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  • [06:54:48] <ds2> like the P3 stuff?
  • [06:54:52] <ds2> those sucked
  • [06:55:07] <emeb_mac> pretty much everything back then sucked
  • [06:55:10] <ds2> no on board flash, it didn't really support AP mode
  • [06:55:24] <rob_w> duh .. yet another driver without of support ..
  • [06:55:28] <ds2> the P2 (i.e. the CF/PCMCIA) ones worked decently
  • [06:56:20] <emeb_mac> yeah.
  • [06:56:57] <emeb_mac> but the only linux drivers were those crazy 3rd-party ones
  • [06:57:25] <ds2> for the P2's or P3?
  • [06:57:44] <emeb_mac> P2 IIRC
  • [06:57:56] <ds2> there were at least 3 different drivers for the P2
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  • [07:03:21] <m_billybob> heh more wifi drama on the groups now too . . .
  • [07:04:17] <m_billybob> I think if i needed wifi that much id connect my BBB via ethernet to a wifi router wired.
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  • [07:05:00] <m_billybob> bluetooth seems equaly troublesome . . . ah well
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  • [07:09:25] <ynezz> a lot of the "problems" are standard PEBKAC
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  • [07:10:21] <m_billybob> you're probably right
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  • [07:12:01] <KotH> http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-08-14/
  • [07:12:10] <ynezz> maybe that hung task problem pasted here few minutes ago might be USB related issue, but who knows
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  • [07:13:30] <KotH> usb, the bane or scapegoat for all kind of faults and failures
  • [07:13:35] <m_billybob> idk USB works fine for me, but im not using a wifi dongle on it.
  • [07:14:00] <m_billybob> i sometimes boot from the host USB port
  • [07:14:19] <KotH> do you also fork your usb dongle?
  • [07:14:58] <m_billybob> i dont use a dongle. had a BT dongle early one for testing but meh our BT songles all hae the same MAC . . .
  • [07:15:22] <m_billybob> bought 4 for less than $8 USD go figure.
  • [07:15:37] <m_billybob> ( shipping included )
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  • [07:45:01] <MR> Hello!
  • [07:45:19] * MR is now known as Guest88714
  • [07:45:27] <Guest88714> hello
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  • [07:46:05] <Guest88714> can anybody test my beagle bone black? Doesnt show any display on screen, leds are lightning tough
  • [07:46:18] <Guest88714> doesnt boot?!
  • [07:46:40] <Shadyman> hook serial up to it?
  • [07:46:58] <Shadyman> that'd tell you what's going on
  • [07:47:21] <dm8tbr> or check what shows up via USB
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  • [07:48:22] <KotH> m_billybob: mac adresses cost $$$
  • [07:48:24] <Guest88714> i can connect it to pc but ....and i can access the documents...
  • [07:49:01] <Guest88714> serial? i tried to boot from micro sd but it didnt work... then nomral trial to boot..
  • [07:49:27] <Shadyman> having a microsd in there messes up boot order. Try taking it out to boot.
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  • [07:50:10] <Guest88714> i did and used a new hdmi adapter no success
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  • [07:50:59] <Guest88714> the linux cant be deleted?
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  • [07:51:28] <Guest88714> anybode interested in buying it?
  • [07:51:52] <Shadyman> Just put an auto-update image on the sd card, and it'll flash it
  • [07:52:04] <Shadyman> could take a good 45 minutes though.
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  • [07:52:42] <Guest88714> yes i made a new image but no update it was another linux and i waited about 30 minutes...
  • [07:53:02] <Guest88714> can i use simple or cheap micro sd cards?
  • [07:53:07] <Shadyman> yep
  • [07:53:23] <Shadyman> you have to wait until all the lights are on after it finishes flashing though.
  • [07:53:34] <Shadyman> It's easier to hook up a usb-to-serial to the serial port to listen in on what it's doing
  • [07:53:48] <Guest88714> ok an update image is no new image?
  • [07:54:56] <Shadyman> I don't follow
  • [07:55:09] <Shadyman> http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started#update
  • [07:55:40] <Guest88714> thanks, i????ll try another image on micro sd then.....
  • [07:55:49] <Shadyman> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images the one specified for the BBB will flash itself onto the BBB over the course of about 45 minutes
  • [07:57:22] <Shadyman> hope that helps
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  • [07:57:54] <Shadyman> also, I got a usb-to-serial adapter off ebay for $2-3. It makes debugging all kinds of things easier :)
  • [07:58:05] <Shadyman> hope that helps. I'm off. G'nite!
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  • [09:32:08] <jackmitchell> ah man, there is an _infuriating_ bloke on the oe-core mailing list, I would love to say he trolling but I genuinely think he's not
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  • [09:33:05] <jackmitchell> they should make troll head stress balls
  • [09:33:25] <jackmitchell> I patent that by the way, if I see it on kickstarted I'll come hunting
  • [09:35:31] <koen> jackmitchell: lpapp?
  • [09:35:39] <av500> oh lpapp
  • [09:35:39] <jackmitchell> koen: yes
  • [09:35:45] * av500 heads over to that ml
  • [09:39:19] <koen> jackmitchell: the root cause of his problem is that CSL partially applied a kernel patch and generate their linux-libc-headers from that
  • [09:39:40] <koen> jackmitchell: due to that things like busybox, udev and various networking tools won't compile
  • [09:40:50] <mrpackethead> jackmitchell: http://kickstarter.com/projects/new/trollheadstressball
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  • [09:41:18] <jackmitchell> mrpackethead: arghhH! where's my trollhead stress ball when I need it!
  • [09:41:32] <av500> mrpackethead: so many backers, the site is overloaded
  • [09:41:52] <mrpackethead> av500: i'm just counting my money now
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  • [09:42:56] <navaati> hi
  • [09:43:12] <woglinde_> dmn connection today
  • [09:43:54] <woglinde_> hi navaati
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  • [09:44:35] <KotH> mrpackethead: sounds very swiss
  • [09:45:30] <woglinde> gm koth
  • [09:46:22] <mrpackethead> KotH: Swiss only count chocolate
  • [09:47:59] <mrpackethead> and for my fifth order to DK this week
  • [09:48:01] <mrpackethead> gah.
  • [09:50:12] <woglinde> *g*
  • [09:50:26] <woglinde> life of ceo
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  • [10:04:01] <Vaizki> I wish someone made a BBB proto cape that either has a stacking header for the debug serial or a hole in it to plug in a cable..
  • [10:04:32] <av500> Spirilis: ^^^
  • [10:04:49] <av500> Vaizki: solder a 90 degree 6 pin header to the bottom
  • [10:05:11] <mru> why does a serial header need 6 pins anyway?
  • [10:05:17] <Vaizki> it doesn't
  • [10:05:58] <Vaizki> but I'm not going to bitch about the header on the board, it is what it is
  • [10:09:02] <woglinde> vaiziki make a cape yourself
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  • [10:09:26] <chong`> q
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  • [10:09:52] <Vaizki> woglinde: if I start making capes I don't need the proto cape ;)
  • [10:10:29] <av500> [12:04:49] <av500> Vaizki: solder a 90 degree 6 pin header to the bottom
  • [10:11:00] <Vaizki> yea it's a valid option but I like the bottom clean because.. well because :)
  • [10:11:25] <mru> solder a 90 degree header to the top then
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  • [10:15:38] <koen> or a 2x 54 degree header
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  • [10:30:24] <kishor> How can I increase Booting time of Beagle bone black with ubuntu OS?
  • [10:30:51] <mru> add some sleep commands?
  • [10:31:09] <kishor> Can u give me a example?
  • [10:31:31] <mru> why do you want to _increase_ the boot time anyway?
  • [10:32:25] <kishor> Actualy I want to run my application on BBB within 3-4 seconds.
  • [10:33:11] <panto> init=/bin/application doesn't work?
  • [10:33:21] <kishor> Currently I reached upto 11 sec by some optimizing technique
  • [10:33:52] <kishor> when I start BBB I want to execute my application.
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  • [10:35:09] <panto> did you understand that I've answered your question?
  • [10:35:30] <kishor> Any help would be appritiated.
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  • [10:36:18] <kishor> @panto No I didnt get that
  • [10:36:48] <panto> the linux kernel has a facility where you can run any application as init
  • [10:37:08] <panto> init=/bin/application on the kernel command line means your application will run instead of /bin/init
  • [10:37:11] <kishor> which file need to edit??
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  • [10:37:28] <panto> you need to read about what you're trying to do first
  • [10:37:36] <panto> it appears you don't quite understand the tradeoffs
  • [10:37:42] <mru> go to google
  • [10:37:44] <mru> download the internet
  • [10:37:47] <mru> read it
  • [10:37:49] <mru> all of it
  • [10:37:55] <blaaa> Hi, My beaglebone has just arrived, appears to work fine but I cannot get a 32GB microSD to work....
  • [10:38:14] <blaaa> when inserting when powered on nothing appears to happen (cannot mount)
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  • [10:38:44] <mru> http://youtu.be/KeFoGo3N_4g
  • [10:38:45] <blaaa> When already inserted when powering up the 4 LED turn on, BBB does not boot
  • [10:39:51] <blaaa> Can it be the power supply? I am currently using the microUSB
  • [10:39:59] <blaaa> miniusb that is...
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  • [10:41:57] <kishor> @panto I can understand what you are saying. But I think you didn't get my question.
  • [10:42:22] <panto> you're looking for a switch that says: 'make my app load faster'
  • [10:42:25] <panto> there isn't any
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  • [10:42:36] <panto> if it were we'd be using it already
  • [10:42:54] <panto> you can greatly reduce the startup time of an application in linux
  • [10:43:06] <panto> but you have to understand what is the boot sequence and how it works
  • [10:43:24] <av500> left boot, right boot
  • [10:43:27] <av500> thats how I do it
  • [10:43:37] <panto> the init=/bin/application is the fastest way to do it
  • [10:43:40] <woglinde> pay someone who knows to make it faster
  • [10:43:43] <mru> panto: understanding requires effort
  • [10:43:57] <panto> but what you have is not what you consider as unix
  • [10:44:25] <panto> hell, you can even create an angstrom build that only has your application in it
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  • [10:44:38] <woglinde> hm I even think he did not measure how long his app needs to start
  • [10:44:42] <av500> didnt koen show it boot in 0.1s?
  • [10:44:47] <mru> if you want a proper system running as well, you can do things with inittab
  • [10:44:47] <woglinde> av500 no
  • [10:44:52] <kishor> I am using mono framework. My application's binary is locatted as /usr/bin/mono. For that I am using xsession. After power On I am getting my xsession within 15 sec, in which 11sec is booting time and 4 sex to load frame.
  • [10:45:00] <panto> then, you never mentioned what this application is, what it does, and what services it uses
  • [10:45:04] <woglinde> av500 it was 1 second
  • [10:45:11] <panto> and you're using mono on top of that
  • [10:45:15] <woglinde> lol
  • [10:45:23] <woglinde> mono alone starts in 3-4 seconds
  • [10:45:41] <woglinde> why mono needs an xsession?
  • [10:45:49] <av500> stereo takes 8s?
  • [10:46:01] <woglinde> av500 yes 5.7 hdtv
  • [10:46:02] <panto> woglinde, wanna guess?
  • [10:46:27] <woglinde> panto nope
  • [10:46:34] <kishor> It is mono-framework which is cross compiled on Ubuntu-12.04. Which is used to run .Net application on linux.
  • [10:46:39] <panto> it's what MS does (requires GUI)
  • [10:47:03] <woglinde> panto its like java you can run it without gui
  • [10:47:04] <panto> and you know what the desktop linux people do right?
  • [10:47:13] <panto> woglinde, I know
  • [10:47:26] <panto> but who knows what kind of libs he uses
  • [10:47:48] <woglinde> hm he should buy windows xp embedded
  • [10:48:10] <panto> anyway, you're trying to run an abandoned MS derived project (mono) on an opensource board
  • [10:48:17] <kishor> I want to run .exe on Linux
  • [10:48:25] <panto> I want a pony
  • [10:48:39] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/210
  • [10:48:40] <woglinde> I want the pony to slaughter
  • [10:48:55] <panto> looks like this pony requires mono
  • [10:49:16] <panto> kishor, so, you got two options
  • [10:49:27] <panto> a) learn how to optimize the boot sequence (we already covered that)
  • [10:49:33] <panto> b) pay someone to do it for you
  • [10:49:48] <panto> there's a c) option that says port your app to something saner
  • [10:49:54] <woglinde> panto b) was my solution
  • [10:50:16] <woglinde> panto hm he already said it is not his app
  • [10:50:16] <mru> a+b) pay someone to learn how to do it
  • [10:50:28] <woglinde> only some .net which he wants to run on bbb
  • [10:50:30] <mru> d) pay someone to 'port' the app
  • [10:50:33] <panto> a+b+c) pay someone to learn how to rewrite it
  • [10:50:43] <mru> e) buy faster hardware
  • [10:50:54] <woglinde> f is my favorite
  • [10:50:58] <panto> mru, doubt it will help with the startup
  • [10:50:59] <woglinde> f) let it be
  • [10:51:05] <kishor> Leave it if you cant help, I will prefer a) option
  • [10:51:25] <mru> panto: buying something that starts faster will
  • [10:51:30] <kishor> already i have optimized 37 sec to 11 sec
  • [10:51:45] <woglinde> 11 is fast enough
  • [10:51:48] <panto> it's kind of hard asking the community to help you with problems with a MS bastard technology
  • [10:52:05] <panto> we're all open source zealots here
  • [10:52:12] <kishor> I am not satisfied with 11 sec
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  • [10:52:17] <panto> he even have our own jihadists
  • [10:52:23] <panto> are you here KotH
  • [10:52:32] <woglinde> hm I am not satisfied with that I will die
  • [10:52:36] <woglinde> how do I change it
  • [10:52:57] <mru> encase yourself in carbonite
  • [10:52:58] <panto> woglinde, you can try religion and all that eternal life idea
  • [10:53:15] <woglinde> yes carbonite is cool
  • [10:53:21] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/161
  • [10:53:39] <kishor> Can you help or I leave ?
  • [10:53:55] <panto> we already did - learn how the boot sequence works
  • [10:54:18] <kishor> I know that.
  • [10:54:33] <panto> you didn't know about init=.. on the command line
  • [10:54:47] <panto> I don't know how much of linux you do know
  • [10:55:02] <kishor> I tried for 2 days to decrease below 11sec, so I am here.
  • [10:55:02] <mru> I'm guessing about this -><- much
  • [10:55:26] <panto> have you tried a minimal distro?
  • [10:55:40] <woglinde> hm 2 days of wasted time
  • [10:55:41] <woglinde> nice
  • [10:55:41] <panto> you're using angstrom?
  • [10:55:42] <mru> have you tried minimal effort?
  • [10:55:45] <panto> you're using ubuntu?
  • [10:55:45] <kishor> currently I am using the same.
  • [10:55:49] <panto> you're using debian?
  • [10:55:57] <panto> you didn't tell
  • [10:55:59] <woglinde> panto ubuntu he already told
  • [10:56:12] <woglinde> 12.04
  • [10:56:15] <kishor> I am using ubuntu-12.04-armhf
  • [10:56:29] <panto> ok, so that's a general ubuntu problem
  • [10:56:41] <kishor> how?
  • [10:56:58] <panto> there's absolutely nothing special about the ubuntu running on the bone
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  • [10:57:34] <panto> since the kernel loads in what? 4-5 seconds till userspace takes over that's where you have to look
  • [10:57:43] <kishor> Thats my projects requirement.
  • [10:57:44] <panto> have you tried asking the ubuntu people for help?
  • [10:57:46] <XorA> mono even works on arm? Ive never got beyong SEGFAULT
  • [10:57:54] <woglinde> xora *g*
  • [10:58:20] <woglinde> panto maybee he can reduce u-boot time
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  • [10:58:24] <kishor> Yeah
  • [10:58:33] <woglinde> or has it no timeout anymore
  • [10:58:41] <panto> setenv bootdelay 0
  • [10:58:45] <kishor> but I tried all there tweaks.
  • [10:58:51] <panto> it has a 2-3 second timeout iirc
  • [10:58:52] <woglinde> yes
  • [10:59:06] <woglinde> so 11 seconds is the best you get
  • [10:59:16] <woglinde> with ubuntu
  • [10:59:23] <panto> which is pretty amazing come to think of it
  • [10:59:29] <panto> ubuntu is a dog after all
  • [10:59:32] <woglinde> panto for bbb yes
  • [10:59:38] <panto> yes
  • [10:59:59] <kishor> Which is the best distro?
  • [11:00:12] <woglinde> there is no best distro
  • [11:00:18] <panto> the one that works like you want it for the application you're working on
  • [11:00:45] <woglinde> panto but I guess angstroem with systemd will not make it faster
  • [11:01:04] <panto> your problem is that you're using a bloated development environment (mono) on a bloated distro (ubuntu)
  • [11:01:04] <woglinde> maybee when he reduce kernel size to the minimum
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  • [11:01:28] <panto> woglinde, yeah, you'll shave off a couple of seconds
  • [11:01:29] <kishor> ok.
  • [11:01:51] <panto> on a very cheap dev board
  • [11:01:56] <woglinde> x needs to long and mono too
  • [11:02:02] <woglinde> so 11 seconds is really good
  • [11:02:33] <panto> so if the application's requirements was 'fast boot time in less than 11 seconds' someone screwed up there
  • [11:02:48] <kishor> Same here....
  • [11:03:04] <blaaa> I still can;t figure out why the microSD card does not work... sigh
  • [11:03:19] <woglinde> blaaa serial console for the win
  • [11:03:37] <blaaa> Are there known issues? I have found similar issues, but no solution
  • [11:03:53] <blaaa> woglinde: what should I do?
  • [11:04:03] * KotH JIHADs back in
  • [11:04:07] <KotH> panto: you called?
  • [11:04:09] <woglinde> blaaa looking at the kernel log?
  • [11:04:19] <panto> as I said if fast boot time is what's important a) don't use a MS jit environment, b) don't use a bloated distro
  • [11:04:35] <woglinde> blaaa asking a crystal ball to forsay the kernel log?
  • [11:04:37] <kishor> Thank you Panto for the discussion..
  • [11:04:40] <panto> KotH, I summoned an open source jihadist
  • [11:04:43] <kishor> have a nice day
  • [11:04:45] <panto> kishor, you're welcome
  • [11:04:46] <koen> c) don't boot
  • [11:04:48] <kishor> bye...
  • [11:04:50] <woglinde> ciao kishor
  • [11:05:07] <kishor> thank you woglinde
  • [11:05:10] <kishor> bye
  • [11:05:17] <Spirilis> Vaizki: https://www.tindie.com/products/spirilis/beaglebone-black-ftdi-friction-fit/
  • [11:06:35] <XorA> koen: anything important changed I should know before I push aarch64 change to angstrom?
  • [11:06:39] * KotH JIHADs for more open source!
  • [11:06:42] <blaaa> woglinde: inserting the SDcard does absolutely nothing in the log
  • [11:07:00] <blaaa> woglinde: booting with card already inserted fails with 4 leds on
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  • [11:07:40] <koen> XorA: not really, I had to remove meta-aarch64 because it broke the build due to duplicate recipes in v2013.06, but meta-angstrom/master should work
  • [11:07:45] <Crofton|work> damnit, today I need to clean up the old server and install F19 and use it as an auto builder for angstrom
  • [11:07:59] <XorA> koen: it does, I built an image for the model machines
  • [11:08:00] <Crofton|work> or ride my bike
  • [11:08:18] <panto> Crofton|work, I'd take the #2 option
  • [11:08:23] <mru> +2
  • [11:08:28] <Crofton|work> maybe do both?
  • [11:08:45] <mru> ride bike in a red hat
  • [11:09:00] <XorA> koen: but eglibc 2.18 currently doesnt work so need to hold eglibc back
  • [11:09:29] <woglinde> crofton f19 are you sure?
  • [11:09:30] <koen> I see
  • [11:09:43] <woglinde> crofton you have to reinstall for f20
  • [11:10:00] <koen> Crofton|work: F19 works as a buildmachine, v2012.12 and v2013.06 have all the needed texinfo 5.x and gcc 4.8 backports
  • [11:10:02] <suihkulokki> XorA: have you poked the toolchain team on it?
  • [11:10:18] <Crofton|work> I already have F19 running on this machine
  • [11:10:26] <XorA> suihkulokki: AFAIK they are aware, I found the info from linaro bug
  • [11:10:44] <mru> toolchain team, hah
  • [11:11:14] <Vaizki> Spirilis: that is nice. good work there, and.. Shipping not available to Finland. The seller has been notified and asked to create a rate for your country.
  • [11:11:56] <woglinde> blaaa hm than try another sdcard
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  • [11:19:18] <mrpackethead> learnign a new IDE sucks
  • [11:19:28] <mru> why learn any at all?
  • [11:20:27] <mrpackethead> because writing code for a PIC micro without it
  • [11:20:36] <mrpackethead> woudl be almost impossible.
  • [11:20:41] <mru> emacs?
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  • [11:22:51] <woglinde> hm I thougt its all eclipse
  • [11:23:04] <mru> which one?
  • [11:23:15] <mru> they all have their own bastardised version of it
  • [11:23:32] <mru> I think that's what keeps hard disk makers in business these days
  • [11:25:55] * XorA used to write PIC code in vim, no IDE needed
  • [11:26:13] <av500> maybe it needs to written right to left?
  • [11:26:40] <mru> little endian?
  • [11:28:10] <KotH> arab endian
  • [11:28:31] <XorA> 14bit instruction memory and 8 bit data memory
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  • [11:30:50] <av500> it's only real little endian when you write bit 0 first
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  • [11:32:00] <KotH> av500: and iee758 if you would write 1 first, but leave that out to save space
  • [11:33:13] <av500> I always leave out 54 zeroes at the start
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  • [11:33:41] <mru> two 26-bit words
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  • [11:35:31] <av500> 115200 26n26
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  • [11:42:12] <blaaa> woglinde: yes, good idea, the card works perfectly fine in other devices (card reader, phones...) though
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  • [12:21:15] <hno> hi. a little confused on the boot process on beaglebone black. Is x-loader still used or is it replaced by u-boot SPL?
  • [12:21:28] <mru> it's spl
  • [12:21:38] <mru> not that it really matters
  • [12:21:40] <mru> they do the same thing
  • [12:21:51] <hno> I know they do the same. Just confused..
  • [12:22:38] <hno> seeing lots of x-loader references on the net, but no traces of it when booting.
  • [12:22:50] <av500> well, xloader was a hacked up uboot anyway
  • [12:22:58] <av500> so its all the same
  • [12:23:53] <hno> Is the SPL support for beaglebone black all in mainline u-boot, or is some other things needed?
  • [12:24:46] <av500> mainline
  • [12:25:32] <mru> which mainline do you recommend?
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  • [12:25:46] <hno> because all images I have says the u-boot is a dirty (i.e. patched) build.
  • [12:26:13] <hno> what is the correct board type in u-boot?
  • [12:26:20] <Vaizki> well you have to "patch" in the default environment at least.. I think..
  • [12:26:29] <Vaizki> so if there is no uEnv.txt the thing will still boot
  • [12:26:41] <av500> no
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  • [12:27:00] <av500> default env did boot for me
  • [12:27:12] <av500> the only thing I patched was to tell the PMIC to draw >500mA from USB
  • [12:27:12] <Vaizki> ok well that's nice
  • [12:27:35] <Vaizki> default mainline uboot that you compiled yourself?
  • [12:27:41] <hno> av500, which board name in u-boot? There is no exact match from what I can tell.
  • [12:28:17] <Vaizki> because I patched the PMIC power draw in uEnv.txt
  • [12:28:32] <av500> am335x
  • [12:28:34] <av500> something
  • [12:28:35] <Vaizki> I didn't see a reason to compile uboot myself just for that
  • [12:28:44] <oe_> i'm trying to read encoders with BBB. in arduino there is a special lib for that called encoder.h . is there sonething like that for BBB?
  • [12:29:01] <av500> rotatary encoders?
  • [12:29:21] <av500> same lib will work on BBB, if you change the low level access to GPIO reading
  • [12:29:21] <Vaizki> special lib called encoder.h ...
  • [12:29:34] <oe_> for dc motors
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  • [12:29:53] <KotH> Vaizki: c is hard, lets go python
  • [12:30:06] <KotH> Vaizki: python is hard, lets go node.js
  • [12:30:22] <Vaizki> node.js is hard, let's go scratch?
  • [12:30:29] <av500> oe_: https://plus.google.com/104712705716996155416/posts/PLHFv62P6ht
  • [12:30:32] <av500> like that?
  • [12:30:42] <hno> am335x_evm?
  • [12:30:47] <av500> yes
  • [12:31:03] <keesj> Surfin'!
  • [12:31:56] <Vaizki> av500: so the mainline uboot includes a ready made am355x section that has mmc probing and kernel / rd / flat dt loading stuff in it to boot the BBB?
  • [12:32:19] <oe_> no.. like that:
  • [12:32:20] <oe_> http://www.mayankits.com/index.php?id_product=21&controller=product
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  • [12:33:39] <Vaizki> oe_: like for reducing stepper motor error?
  • [12:33:44] <av500> looks awfully rotary to me
  • [12:33:52] <av500> Vaizki: yes
  • [12:34:06] <av500> I think so
  • [12:34:09] <oe_> for dc motor speed control
  • [12:34:20] <av500> I bet it rotates
  • [12:35:15] <oe_> ok so rotary... i just want to read the frequency of the signal from the encoder
  • [12:35:20] <av500> right
  • [12:35:21] <av500> so
  • [12:35:22] <mru> I wouldn't buy from anyone using that tacky typeface
  • [12:35:38] <av500> on arduino you can do that from a lib since you can access interrupts directly
  • [12:35:51] <av500> on the BBB, running linux, you would need to have a kernel driver
  • [12:35:56] <av500> and I think there are some
  • [12:36:57] <Vaizki> is it a quadrature encoder?
  • [12:37:03] <hno> Ok, found http://www.eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-Bootloader:U-Boot which seems up to date. And there is a patch for updated env + some HW tuning.
  • [12:37:14] <av500> Vaizki: yes
  • [12:37:18] <av500> quad + index
  • [12:37:55] <av500> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/input/rotary-encoder.txt
  • [12:37:58] <hno> env changes also include gpio settings.
  • [12:38:24] <Vaizki> did someone write a kernel driver for the am335x quadrature encoder pulse modules?
  • [12:38:34] <av500> does it have any?
  • [12:38:38] <Vaizki> sure
  • [12:38:47] <av500> well, you project for the weekend
  • [12:38:50] <av500> your
  • [12:38:55] <av500> or oe_ 's
  • [12:39:13] <Vaizki> :D
  • [12:39:18] <Vaizki> https://github.com/Teknoman117/beaglebot/tree/master/encoders
  • [12:39:20] <Vaizki> something there
  • [12:40:43] <Vaizki> it even assumes you have a BBW or BBB
  • [12:40:50] <Vaizki> just roll with it
  • [12:40:58] <oe_> Thanks! I'll check.. probably be back soon with more questions..
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  • [12:43:36] <Vaizki> now we just need the patch in mainline ;)
  • [12:43:47] <Vaizki> btw how long does it take to compile the kernel on the BBB itself?
  • [12:44:00] <av500> no idea
  • [12:44:05] <av500> never felt the need for it
  • [12:44:07] <Vaizki> I don't have buildbox at least not yet
  • [12:44:19] <Vaizki> haven't even looked into how much hassle that would be
  • [12:44:23] <av500> is that a special PC for biold ing kernels?
  • [12:44:35] <av500> building..
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  • [12:44:46] <Vaizki> no I mean crosscompiling stuff on a x86 for aem
  • [12:44:48] <Vaizki> arm
  • [12:45:01] <av500> ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE= ...
  • [12:45:04] <av500> done
  • [12:45:26] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/167
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  • [12:46:50] <Vaizki> av500: hmmh you mean my arch gcc should cross compile to arm out of the box?
  • [12:47:07] <Vaizki> I thought I need a whole toolchain set up
  • [12:48:15] <jackmitchell> Vaizki: you need an ARM toolchain, these are readily available, even from the repo's if you run Ubuntu
  • [12:48:22] <Vaizki> right
  • [12:48:44] <mru> or grab a linaro prebuilt one if you're lazy
  • [12:49:46] <av500> Vaizki: you need a toolchain
  • [12:49:53] <av500> but not a whole "buildbox"
  • [12:50:04] <av500> like you dont need an "excel" box
  • [12:50:35] <mru> but you pretty much do need a "ccs" box
  • [12:50:49] <Vaizki> :)
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  • [12:57:03] <Vaizki> I might as well have ubuntu vm for cross compiling if they have the toolchain in the repos
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  • [13:00:39] <jackmitchell> Vaizki: you can download a prebuilt toochain from here: https://launchpad.net/linaro-toolchain-binaries/+download
  • [13:01:29] <jackmitchell> Vaizki: there are docs in share/docs within the downloaded archive for help on using it, esentially adding /opt/toolchain/bin to the path AFAIK
  • [13:01:52] <Vaizki> so gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-4.8-2013.07-1_linux.tar.xz is probably the right one?
  • [13:02:13] <jackmitchell> Vaizki: if you run Linux, then yes, Armv7 linux is what you're looking for
  • [13:02:33] <Vaizki> yea .. there is no mac packages ;)
  • [13:02:49] <mru> mac is hell
  • [13:02:59] <jackmitchell> Vaizki: not even Linaro steeps to that level ;)
  • [13:03:07] <jackmitchell> *stoops
  • [13:03:44] <Vaizki> hmpf
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  • [13:04:38] <Spirilis> Vaizki: hey, you use macosx mountain lion?
  • [13:05:33] <Vaizki> sure
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  • [13:05:47] <Vaizki> well I have SL on one or two macs still
  • [13:05:59] <Spirilis> ah, just be aware with that ftdi board, it uses the FT230X chip and a coworker had trouble finding drivers from FTDI for mountain lion
  • [13:06:05] <Spirilis> not sure if that's changed but I thought it was very odd
  • [13:06:10] <Spirilis> FTDI's official drivers only supported up to Lion
  • [13:06:14] <Spirilis> alas, it works great with snow leopard
  • [13:06:19] <Spirilis> and I added a shipping rate for Finland.
  • [13:06:26] <Vaizki> hit me?
  • [13:06:31] <Vaizki> or do I have to go check? :)
  • [13:06:34] <Spirilis> oh, $7
  • [13:06:52] <Vaizki> if I order 5, it's still $7 for all of them?
  • [13:07:17] <Spirilis> uhm, let me calculate that :) I didn't account for that
  • [13:07:56] <Spirilis> oof, no, then it jacks up to like $15
  • [13:08:01] <Spirilis> dang
  • [13:08:12] <Vaizki> ok :)
  • [13:08:50] <nazrdogan> anybody know how many device connect with bluetooth at same time
  • [13:08:59] <Spirilis> just changed the rate in tindie to reflect that
  • [13:09:01] <mru> roughly 0.3
  • [13:09:24] <Spirilis> it's basically $1 extra for every 1oz extra I guess (28g)
  • [13:11:01] <Vaizki> ok thanks, I'll check it out in the evening when I have a BBB handy, see how it would work
  • [13:11:01] <keesj> 7 comes to mind but it's hard.
  • [13:12:07] <keesj> during my j2me days it was hard to get any device to connect to an other
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  • [13:12:24] <mru> keesj: hence the 0.3 figure
  • [13:14:17] <oe_> does anyone knows a way to read rotary encoder frequency (up to 2KHz) without developing and installing a new kernal?
  • [13:14:21] <oe_> kernel
  • [13:14:27] <av500> no
  • [13:14:32] <oe_> dude
  • [13:14:39] <av500> maybe dude knows
  • [13:14:50] <Vaizki> the dude is a windows program
  • [13:15:01] <thurgood> the dude abides
  • [13:15:22] <av500> 2khz from users space wont work
  • [13:15:39] <oe_> ?
  • [13:16:02] <av500> !
  • [13:16:13] <oe_> someone else?
  • [13:16:30] <Spirilis> the bbb has a quadrature encoder unit built in
  • [13:16:45] <Spirilis> just get that working (even if it involves a new kernel)
  • [13:16:47] <Vaizki> yea and I even pointed oe at the kernel patch
  • [13:16:53] <av500> not good enough
  • [13:17:00] <av500> it has to work without oe_ doing anything
  • [13:17:06] <av500> other than whining on IRC
  • [13:17:19] <Vaizki> well he could whine here until it's in mainline kernel
  • [13:17:34] <av500> then he still has to install it
  • [13:17:39] <av500> which he does not want to do
  • [13:17:42] <av500> [15:14:17] <oe_> does anyone knows a way to read rotary encoder frequency (up to 2KHz) without developing and installing a new kernal?
  • [13:18:07] <mru> have chad write you a kernal
  • [13:18:16] <av500> then kang it
  • [13:19:29] <oe_> maybe av500_ can write me a new kernel.. i bet he knows how
  • [13:19:47] <Spirilis> install TI-RTOS
  • [13:19:53] <Spirilis> betcha it has a quadrature encoder driver
  • [13:20:17] <oe_> and then he can install it for me.. so that i wouldn't have to do anything
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  • [13:22:21] <Spirilis> I am almost afraid to dig in and look at what TI-RTOS is, but somehow I feel like I should
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  • [13:23:55] <b0o> hello all
  • [13:24:01] <av500> oe_: that can be negotiated
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  • [13:25:05] <b0o> Has anyone else noticed RNC builds (debian specifically) for the BBB filling up the drive via logs?
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  • [13:25:27] <SpeedEvil> oe_: Also - PRU programs do not require a new kernel
  • [13:25:28] <av500> I thought only journald did that on angstrom
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  • [13:27:43] <Vaizki> Spirilis: TI RTOS looked like a half-assed attempt at vendor lock in via a free ready-config'd RTOS
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  • [13:30:19] <Vaizki> of course you could just run bare metal with starterware libs
  • [13:30:24] <Vaizki> who needs an OS anyway
  • [13:31:19] <Spirilis> Vaizki: ah k, that was my suspicion.
  • [13:34:55] <Vaizki> I have been out of linux kernel dev stuff after like 2.2 or something.. there must be a way to compile something like the QE module without recompiling the whole kernel?
  • [13:35:23] <Spirilis> there is
  • [13:35:46] <Spirilis> not too versed in it myself but there's probably some way to finagle that eQEP driver into a module
  • [13:36:30] <Vaizki> yea I'm guessing you'd have to just make a module out of it and put in a dto .. hmm
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  • [13:39:12] <av500> you can always /dev/mem the driver
  • [13:39:18] <av500> aka, do an arduino
  • [13:39:24] <Vaizki> I like how you think
  • [13:39:42] <av500> finally
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  • [13:40:26] <mru> isn't that do a samsung?
  • [13:40:27] <Vaizki> actually it looks like that driver already has module support
  • [13:44:39] <Spirilis> ah, there ya go
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  • [13:47:12] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] clacey09 opened pull request #56: Fix for HDMI Not Working With Some Monitors (3.8...3.8) http://git.io/iYkDsw
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  • [14:03:14] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 8 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/CwqlyA
  • [14:03:14] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 2b8f0cd Cody Lacey: Remove Whitelist Blacklist Modes Patch and DT Bindings...
  • [14:03:14] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 9f2dada Cody Lacey: Fix for drm initialization before i2c probe...
  • [14:03:14] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 fe151a2 Cody Lacey: Increase Allowable Supported Resolutions...
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  • [14:07:22] <av500> fun fact, a certain chinese supplier of wifi modules does not own a frequency counter
  • [14:07:42] <jackmitchell> reassuring
  • [14:08:05] <av500> but they do check for solder bridges....
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  • [14:08:30] <jackmitchell> what good is a frequency counter if your solder is bridged, right?
  • [14:08:49] <av500> right
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  • [14:15:15] <keesj> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jaf5ILvVmQ Linaro LMP looks good for testing
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  • [14:50:49] <krix> Hi Guys, do you know if there is any chance to connect USB host to some GPIO pins on the expansion header for BBB?
  • [14:53:47] <ion> I have heard of people bit-banging USB 1.0 with microcontrollers. You???ll probably have to use a level-shifter for the voltage.
  • [14:54:23] <m_billybob> what !?
  • [14:54:43] <m_billybob> connect USB to GPIO o nthe header ?
  • [14:54:45] <ion> Why not use the actual USB controller it has, though?
  • [14:54:54] <das> too practical
  • [14:55:02] <mru> krix: can you please restate your question in a way that makes sense?
  • [14:55:55] <krix> so we need our own expansion PCB on top BBB
  • [14:56:16] <krix> and we need USB host connected to this PCB
  • [14:56:45] <krix> TI data sheet says this: "The internal USB PHY can be configured to multiplex the UART3_TX or UART3_RX signals to this terminal. For more details refer to USB GPIO Details section of the AM335x Technical Reference Manual."
  • [14:56:52] <Vaizki> 8: ff:P-O-L Override Board Name,00A0,Override Manuf,bone_eqep0
  • [14:57:01] <Vaizki> encoder driver loads nicely btw
  • [14:57:18] <Vaizki> now for that barndoor tracker mount...
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  • [14:57:42] <krix> UART3 is connected to the BBB header, but I'm not sure how to multiplex USB to it under linux
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  • [14:58:46] <m_billybob> mru, know anything abou that ? first ive heard of it
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  • [15:04:11] <av500> krix: you can wire a standalone usb host controller to the BBB
  • [15:04:13] <av500> on a cape
  • [15:04:18] <av500> SPI connected or so
  • [15:04:48] <av500> http://www.maximintegrated.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/3639
  • [15:05:34] <av500> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9947
  • [15:05:43] <av500> if arduino can drive it, so can the BBB
  • [15:08:04] <krix> av500: we could do that, but it'd be nice to use native USB host if possible
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  • [15:10:06] <av500> krix: then use it
  • [15:10:13] <av500> its all wired up already
  • [15:10:13] <KotH> ah...
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  • [15:10:25] <KotH> he wants to pinmux the usb wires onto the header pins
  • [15:10:32] <KotH> s/wires/pins/
  • [15:11:24] <krix> KotH: yep, that's the ideal solution
  • [15:11:54] <KotH> krix: read the TRM / datasheet, if it says you can do it, then DT all things
  • [15:12:11] <KotH> krix: and next time state your question in a way that makes sense :)
  • [15:14:35] <KotH> krix: btw: the uart wires are not impedance controlled an probably also not wired in parallel. using them for usb would be a bad idea
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  • [15:16:48] <av500> you cannot
  • [15:16:56] <av500> pinxmux USB there
  • [15:16:59] <av500> -x
  • [15:17:21] <av500> you can mux uart3 onto the usb pins
  • [15:17:24] <av500> not the other way round
  • [15:17:36] <av500> e.g. in order to debug a production device that has only usb exposed
  • [15:18:24] <krix> right ok, I have to look for the other solution
  • [15:18:31] <krix> thanks for help :)
  • [15:18:35] <KotH> wires
  • [15:18:37] <KotH> soler
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  • [15:18:40] <KotH> solder*
  • [15:18:42] <KotH> soldering iron
  • [15:18:50] <KotH> and some slaves
  • [15:19:10] <mru> do infidels make good slaves?
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  • [15:19:54] <av500> they get converted
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  • [15:21:08] <krix> yep, we were thinking of wires & soldering iron, maybe this'd be our solution for the prototype
  • [15:21:26] <KotH> slave are almost always infidels
  • [15:22:21] <KotH> if it's for a harem, you have to physically prepare the slaves for the job first, though
  • [15:23:08] <av500> cards
  • [15:23:11] <av500> tons
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  • [15:24:24] <flufmnstr> anyone have experience running these with a BBB? http://www.amazon.com/Channel-External-Sound-Laptop-Notebook/dp/B001LIMH6U
  • [15:25:07] <jackmitchell> flufmnstr: research if it works with Linux, if the answer is yes, then it should be ok on the BBB
  • [15:26:11] <av500> chinese noname
  • [15:26:17] <av500> find out what chipset
  • [15:26:20] <flufmnstr> thats what i figured. im looking that up now. i was jsut hoping for first hand feedback
  • [15:26:23] <av500> or buy something proper
  • [15:27:05] <KotH> mrpacket_: FYE http://www.ipblox.com/pubs/Ferrite_beads/Understanding%20Ferrite%20Beads%20and%20Applications.pdf
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  • [15:27:40] <av500> from the stellar amazon reviews, it does not even seem to work with drivers
  • [15:27:59] <KotH> flufmnstr: these usually are recognized as ubs sound devices, so you have a good chance they work. but you get what you pay for
  • [15:28:15] <KotH> flufmnstr: "generic" usb sound device
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  • [15:46:28] <vinay_> anybody there??please reply
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  • [15:47:24] <agmlego> It works better if you ask a question.
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  • [15:48:02] <vinay_> Hi, i want to know whether angstrom linux is real time operating system or not??
  • [15:48:14] <mru> it's not
  • [15:48:16] <mru> it's linux
  • [15:48:31] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/157
  • [15:48:53] <agmlego> YOu could however get an RT kernel to run it, like RT_PREEMPT.
  • [15:48:58] <vinay_> which real time OS does beaglebone black support??
  • [15:49:05] <mru> qnx should work
  • [15:49:20] <mru> I've run it without problem on the whitebone
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  • [15:50:01] <vinay_> RT kernal
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  • [15:50:13] <vinay_> is it a linux kernal??
  • [15:50:32] <agmlego> Yes, RT_PREEMPT is a Linux mostly-realtime kernel.
  • [15:50:45] <mru> so it's realtime except when it's not
  • [15:50:49] <agmlego> If you need actual, hard realtime, look at QNX and other real RTOSen.
  • [15:51:00] <agmlego> mru: Right, which can be useful.
  • [15:51:08] <mru> I didn't say otherwise
  • [15:51:18] <vinay_> actually i want linux
  • [15:51:21] <mru> but it won't help if you happen to be in one of the except cases
  • [15:51:24] <vinay_> which is real time
  • [15:51:27] <agmlego> OK, then go RT_PREEMPT.
  • [15:51:31] <mru> linux is not realtime
  • [15:51:34] <mru> end of story
  • [15:51:50] <agmlego> vinay_: What are you trying to accomplish?
  • [15:51:58] <mru> RT_PREEMPT gives better realtime performance in some cases but not all
  • [15:52:07] <vinay_> i want to develop quadcoptor using beaglebone
  • [15:52:24] <vinay_> and i want RT linux kernal for that
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  • [15:52:59] <vinay_> so how to install RT preempt on beaglebone??
  • [15:53:00] <agmlego> Yeah, the RT_PREEMPT kernel will probably be OK for that.
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  • [15:53:30] <agmlego> vinay_: I suggest praying to the almighty Google.
  • [15:53:36] <vinay_> how to install it to make it work for beaglebone??
  • [15:54:13] <vinay_> does beaglebone.org provide any support for that??
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  • [15:55:03] <vinay_> does beaglebone.org provide any support for RT_PREEMPT??
  • [15:55:59] <agmlego> No.
  • [15:56:10] <agmlego> But neither does it provide much support for anythign else.
  • [15:56:27] <vinay_> can you suggest something to get support for it??
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  • [15:56:49] <agmlego> Like any computer, what you do with it is your own business--there are numerous guides online on how to use RT_PREEMPT, and there are probably ones specific for the bone.
  • [15:58:23] <vinay_> can you suggest any RTOS that beaglebone.org supports for beaglebone black??
  • [15:58:47] <agmlego> No, because beaglebone.org does not support RTOSen for the bone.
  • [15:58:52] <agmlego> I suggest using Google.
  • [15:59:41] <vinay_> kk thanx
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  • [16:07:05] <m_billybob> lol
  • [16:07:13] <m_billybob> elderberries eh
  • [16:07:32] <m_billybob> morning btw
  • [16:07:41] <mru> monty python insult
  • [16:07:42] <mranostay> hey old trolls
  • [16:07:58] <m_billybob> yeah forgot about that mru
  • [16:08:29] <m_billybob> think my favorite quote from that movie would be "bring us a shubbery!"
  • [16:08:36] <mranostay> denix: why you hate cats?
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  • [16:09:31] <denix> mranostay: why not?
  • [16:10:09] <mranostay> because cats rock
  • [16:10:29] <m_billybob> our dogs think so too mranostay
  • [16:10:38] <m_billybob> tasty i think the word would be
  • [16:11:10] <m_billybob> unfortunately cats look too much like rabbits, and rabbits dont last logn here :/
  • [16:11:43] <mru> evil dogs
  • [16:12:03] <mranostay> what crime against humanity dogs you have?
  • [16:12:17] <m_billybob> we dont keep cats here nor would we allow one
  • [16:12:29] <m_billybob> because of our dogs, but i personally like cats
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  • [16:12:42] * m_billybob likes all animals
  • [16:12:54] <m_billybob> well, most anyway
  • [16:12:55] <mranostay> even trolls?
  • [16:13:09] <m_billybob> sure why not
  • [16:13:27] <m_billybob> feed them a few beers and they pass out ;)
  • [16:13:33] <mranostay> few?
  • [16:13:45] <mru> a few kegs
  • [16:13:46] <m_billybob> yeah the few part is "subjective"
  • [16:13:48] <mranostay> if 8 is a few then yes
  • [16:14:28] <mru> I had a teacher once who insisted that "a few" was 3-5
  • [16:14:32] <mru> no more, no less
  • [16:14:35] <m_billybob> heh
  • [16:14:50] <m_billybob> more than one or two ( couple ) but not a whole lot
  • [16:14:59] <mru> exactly
  • [16:16:10] <m_billybob> i know some people who would definately consider 8 "a few" in terms of beer
  • [16:16:26] <mru> that depends on the time period
  • [16:16:44] <mru> over an 8-hour period it's no problem
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  • [16:16:58] <m_billybob> for me 8 is too much lol
  • [16:17:05] <mru> even over a week?
  • [16:17:09] <m_billybob> well now days when i was in the army 8 wasnt enough
  • [16:17:09] <_av500_> depends on the glass size too
  • [16:17:23] <mru> pints of course
  • [16:17:30] <m_billybob> 16oz
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  • [16:17:35] <m_billybob> whatever that works out to
  • [16:17:44] <mru> no no, imperial pints
  • [16:17:47] <m_billybob> though here in the US 12oz is typical
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  • [16:18:28] <m_billybob> mru imperial pint ? what does that work out to ? half a keg ? lol *honestly doesnt know*
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  • [16:18:49] <mru> 1 imperial pint is about 1.2 us pints
  • [16:19:17] <mru> it's 20 imperial ounces, which are a bit smaller than us ounces
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  • [16:19:42] <sam_> hello
  • [16:19:50] <m_billybob> just under 20oz stadard oz yikes thats good sized
  • [16:19:57] <m_billybob> standard*
  • [16:20:03] <m_billybob> whats up sam_
  • [16:20:18] <mru> 568 ml for you metric people
  • [16:20:29] * m_billybob nods
  • [16:20:46] <m_billybob> we have something here slightly larger 24oz standard
  • [16:20:47] <_av500_> you could be drinking beer in Cologne from 200ml glasses
  • [16:20:49] <sam_> is beaglebone black take one hour to boot from new custom SD card image ?
  • [16:20:51] <_av500_> there, 8 is nothing
  • [16:21:07] <m_billybob> sam_ bbb takes one hour to flash appproimetly
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  • [16:21:19] <m_billybob> err appproximetly*
  • [16:21:37] <mru> _av500_: you can do that in belgium too
  • [16:21:45] <m_billybob> sam_ you downloaded a flasher image it seems was that intentional ?
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  • [16:22:48] <sam_> That mean if we want to learn customized embedded linux then beagleboard-xm is better than BBB beacause it take very short time,right ??
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  • [16:22:56] <m_billybob> no
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  • [16:23:57] <m_billybob> sam_ there are two types of angstrom images availible from circuitco, one flashes an updated angstrom to the internal eMMC, and the other is just boot. it seems like to methat you downloaded an flasher image
  • [16:24:22] <m_billybob> 1 hour to boot is faaaaar too long
  • [16:25:28] <m_billybob> sam_ is your native tongue english ?
  • [16:25:46] <sam_> No
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  • [16:26:30] <m_billybob> German ?
  • [16:26:46] <mru> he seems to be in india
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  • [16:27:11] <m_billybob> ok i dont speak hindi at all :/
  • [16:27:23] <sam_> I want to buy beagle board and confuse in between BBB and BB-xm.So I thought longer boot time is drawback of BBB from sd card .
  • [16:27:32] <_av500_> no
  • [16:27:37] <mru> m_billybob: there are a few words in english of hindi origin
  • [16:27:47] <_av500_> sam_: the BBB boots as fast as the XM
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  • [16:28:15] <m_billybob> perhaps even faster from the eMMC ? or does that XM have onboard flash too ?
  • [16:28:30] <mru> we don't talk about the ones that do
  • [16:28:37] <sam_> that means we configure BBB to boot from SD card like BB-xm ?
  • [16:28:50] <_av500_> you can, yes
  • [16:29:02] <_av500_> no flash on the XM
  • [16:29:23] <mru> _av500_: I have one with flash
  • [16:29:33] <mru> but bad ram instead
  • [16:29:35] <_av500_> jaja
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  • [16:31:17] <sam_> I also make arm-unknown-linux-uclibcgnueabi based toolchain using crosstool-ng for BB-xm.Can it also work with BBB?
  • [16:31:32] <_av500_> yes
  • [16:31:41] <_av500_> armv7 for both
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  • [16:32:53] <sam_> Thanks a lot !!
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  • [16:34:47] <m_billybob> i wonder where he got the impression the bbb takes one hour to boot
  • [16:34:58] <m_billybob> somone spreading FUD ?
  • [16:35:23] <_av500_> boot != boot
  • [16:35:27] <_av500_> I guess it flashes
  • [16:35:32] <m_billybob> or maybe updating emmc instructions didnt translate well
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  • [16:40:04] <ds2> no one from the PRU/JTAG?
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  • [16:40:42] <ds2> oops, nix that
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  • [16:40:45] <Crofton|work> first boot issue?
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  • [16:59:27] <ion> Is there a thing you can add to a dts file that exposes a GPIO pin that does the equivalent of echo N >/sys/class/gpio/export, echo in >/sys/class/gpio/gpioN/direction?
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  • [17:10:29] <sam__> how to erase eMMC image with uSD image in beaglebone Black ?
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  • [17:13:59] <plm> Hi all
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  • [17:18:17] <sam__> how to boot beaglebone black from uSD card without erasing eMMC image ?
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  • [17:20:08] <agmlego> Just put a uSD card image on the card, and boot.
  • [17:20:19] <agmlego> Make sure it ius not the image that erases the eMMC.
  • [17:22:06] <freinhard> "who" does swtich on the user leds when the bbb boots?
  • [17:23:02] <mru> the blue led fairy
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  • [17:23:53] <freinhard> and where does the fairy live? in some bootloader?
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  • [17:30:22] <sam__> from where I get non-eMMC erase kernel image ?
  • [17:31:01] <mranostay> holy spamming G+
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  • [18:30:23] <woglinde> action
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  • [18:32:30] <ram_> how to force beaglebone black to boot from sd card insteaf of eMMC ?
  • [18:32:35] <djlewis> skipped the lights, camera...
  • [18:33:10] <djlewis> or was thaqt while my computer was rebooting due to a shitty ups here at the office...
  • [18:34:58] <agmlego> ram_: It does by default. Just put a properly-formatted card with image into the bone.
  • [18:35:52] <Vaizki> umm.. does and does not. you can make sure by disconnecting the power, putting in SD card, pressing boot and keeping it pressed, then connect power
  • [18:36:21] <ram_> But in manual it mentioned that BBB select eMMC for booting.
  • [18:36:33] <agmlego> Yeah, if there is no card available to boot from.
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  • [18:36:45] <agmlego> If there is a card with an image, it will boot from it.
  • [18:36:46] <Vaizki> if you don't press the boot button at power on (note: reset is not enough, must be power on), then it will load SPL and uboot from eMMC. but the default uboot on eMMC will load kernel from uSD if it's present
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  • [18:38:06] <Vaizki> so that's why I said yes and no.. uboot will come from eMMC and kernel from uSD .. IF you have default stock uboot on eMMC
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  • [18:41:07] <agmlego> Vaizki: Does it really matter where u-boot is loaded from if the end result is that the system installed on the uSD card is botted and fuinctioning?
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  • [18:42:08] <Vaizki> well it happens to work for now. which is kind of a bug on the stock image. nothing guarantees they won't change the stock ??ngstr??m tomorrow so that if spl+uboot come from eMMC then kernel will also
  • [18:42:15] <Vaizki> which would be much more logical
  • [18:42:26] <ram_> but I find there are two images one for flashing eMMC and one for booting directly from uSD.Is that true ?
  • [18:42:45] <Vaizki> are you talking about ??ngstr??m?
  • [18:42:56] <ram_> yes
  • [18:43:54] <Vaizki> could be. I don't know ??ngstr??m really
  • [18:44:06] <Vaizki> #angstrom guys might know better
  • [18:44:29] <ram_> And what if I used everything is customized including kernel,bootloader,rootfs ?
  • [18:45:06] <agmlego> ram_: ...if everything is customised, then I suggest you ask the person who customised it.
  • [18:45:10] <Vaizki> ?
  • [18:45:30] <agmlego> And if you are the one who customised it, then I suggest reading the documentation harder.
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  • [18:46:17] <Vaizki> for the am3559 on the board it doesn't matter if you are booting from uSD or eMMC, the partition scheme and contents are basically the same
  • [18:46:45] <Vaizki> the flasher image is just a convenient card image that will boot from uSD and overwrite the eMMC with a prepared image
  • [18:47:28] <Vaizki> am3359 even :)
  • [18:47:39] <ram_> how to make custom image which is boot directly (without erasing eMMC) and first as mentioned above ?
  • [18:48:01] * agmlego gives up.
  • [18:48:30] <_av500_> take the emmc flash image and delete the flasher
  • [18:48:34] <_av500_> emm.sh
  • [18:48:36] <_av500_> emmc.sh
  • [18:48:58] <Vaizki> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
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  • [18:49:09] <Vaizki> I would assume those instructions work
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  • [18:58:45] <woglinde> go insane
  • [18:59:17] <mru> always sound advice
  • [18:59:31] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/189
  • [18:59:35] <mranostay> heh
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  • [19:00:43] <ram_> if I delete emm.sh and emmc.sh ,then is there any problem arises when booting from eMMC ?
  • [19:02:02] <Vaizki> now I give up
  • [19:02:11] <Vaizki> how about reading what's in them :D
  • [19:02:16] <JFK911> oh new junk? 2013-07-31
  • [19:04:26] * mranostay dances in
  • [19:04:50] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/125
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  • [19:07:32] <woglinde> hm he was from india?
  • [19:08:22] <mru> aren't they all?
  • [19:09:00] <agmlego> Kind of figured as much from the nick.
  • [19:09:21] <mru> figures from the ip address too
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  • [19:41:33] <srl295> hello. Q.. reflashed BBB with latest image, Angstrom v2012.12 - can't 'opkg install udev-dev' - udev is at v196 but udev-dev only v182 is available!
  • [19:42:29] <srl295> used latest flasher from http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
  • [19:43:35] <srl295> udev> v196-105-gdecd634-r12.4
  • [19:43:52] <srl295> any ideas?
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  • [20:05:11] <mrpacket_> and this is why Opensource is so well..
  • [20:05:12] <mrpacket_> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2013/08/14/open-source-diy-cellphone/
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  • [20:38:04] <mranostay> Russ: how do you store your flux?
  • [20:38:25] <Russ> in a syringe, somewhere in a box
  • [20:38:30] <Russ> paste goes in the fridge though
  • [20:38:55] <mranostay> Russ: speical fridge?
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  • [20:40:14] <Russ> nope
  • [20:40:23] <mranostay> is that safe?
  • [20:40:36] <mranostay> i assume that toaster isn't ever used for food right?
  • [20:40:39] <Russ> its lead free, even if it was, lead isn't a volatile substance
  • [20:40:51] <Russ> yes, it is its own toaster
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  • [20:41:20] <Em_Pleh> Hello!
  • [20:41:23] <Vaizki> isn't it loaded with cadmium?
  • [20:41:32] <Russ> the toaster?
  • [20:41:39] <Vaizki> solder paste
  • [20:41:42] <Em_Pleh> I have been trying to get my BBB to do npm install but keep getting a odd error http://pastebin.com/gjvX8jyC
  • [20:41:46] <Russ> I use sac305
  • [20:41:58] <Russ> 96.5% tin, 0.5% copper and 3% silver
  • [20:41:59] <Em_Pleh> google has not been a friend today
  • [20:42:09] <Russ> I'm not sure what solder contains cadmium
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  • [20:43:11] <mrpacket_> I dont' keep my paste in teh fridge
  • [20:43:19] <mrpacket_> its fine.
  • [20:43:33] <mrpacket_> keeps fora few weeks
  • [20:43:36] <mrpacket_> then i go and get some more
  • [20:43:40] <mrpacket_> from teh factory
  • [20:43:42] <mrpacket_> :-)
  • [20:43:42] <Russ> yes, for a few weeks its fine
  • [20:43:56] <mrpacket_> I'm forutnate that i can do that
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  • [21:36:41] <Em_Pleh> Hello
  • [21:37:00] <Em_Pleh> http://pastebin.com/gjvX8jyC
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  • [21:40:33] <woglinde> em_pleh you can read or?
  • [21:40:35] <woglinde> gyp: binding.gyp not found
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  • [21:46:58] <mranostay> node crap?
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  • [21:52:22] <woglinde> mranostay no chance
  • [21:52:24] <woglinde> and gn
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  • [21:56:21] <jrover> Has anyone successfully hooked up a DS18B20 to their beaglebone black?
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  • [21:58:19] <seckford> jrover: yes, standard hookup.
  • [21:58:24] <m_billybob> jrover is that dallas 1-wire ? dont know abotu that particular one assumign it is but people have talked about / done 1-wire on the groups
  • [21:58:28] <m_billybob> ah ok nvm
  • [21:58:48] <mranostay> yeah it works
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  • [21:59:25] <jrover> Ah ok. I have it working on an arduino with C code, but didn't know how to move over to a beaglebone, whether to use Bonescript, or compile C code, or what
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  • [21:59:35] <seckford> jrover: it was the 3-wire setup, not the 2-wire.
  • [22:00:02] <seckford> jrover: I just read it from the SPI device file, whose name I can't recall.
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  • [22:00:42] <mranostay> death to nodejs people!
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  • [22:01:02] * m_billybob is currently setting up a node.js development vm
  • [22:01:04] <mranostay> jrover: you can use the weathercape overlay
  • [22:01:15] * mranostay loses respect for m_billybob
  • [22:01:47] <m_billybob> mranostay will be outside world abstraction. all my bits and bobs internally will still be C/C++
  • [22:02:41] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/105
  • [22:02:48] <m_billybob> mranostay, however, if you have a better suggestion i am all ears. seriously. this is my first fortay into the linux appliance arena
  • [22:02:59] <mru> have you considered fortran?
  • [22:03:14] <m_billybob> uh, not since the 60's ?
  • [22:03:33] <jrover> Ok I'll check out the weathercape as well. Ideally I'd like to plug in directly to the beaglebone black and run some software to grab the temp. I don't think I need additional hardware / capes to do that...
  • [22:03:40] <seckford> m_billybob: Algol 60 forever!
  • [22:03:44] <m_billybob> but seriously not since i was in JRhigh in the early 80's
  • [22:03:47] <louiz9201> hey, since we're talking about spi. is anyone familiar with the FIFO's in the new mcspi driver?
  • [22:03:51] <mranostay> jrover: no my point is the setup for the one wire is there
  • [22:03:54] <mranostay> good example
  • [22:04:03] <jrover> Ah ok - great!
  • [22:04:06] <mranostay> we are talking about SPI?
  • [22:04:15] <mranostay> 1wire != SPI
  • [22:04:16] <louiz9201> well i thought it was mentioned a few times
  • [22:04:23] <mru> m_billybob: http://www.nag.com/sc22wg5/
  • [22:04:25] <seckford> jrover: no, you don't. You need one pin, a sensor, a 4.8K pullup, and a shell script to read the result.
  • [22:04:28] <louiz9201> (2:59:35 PM) seckford: jrover: it was the 3-wire setup, not the 2-wire.
  • [22:04:28] <louiz9201> (3:00:02 PM) seckford: jrover: I just read it from the SPI device file, whose name I can't recall.
  • [22:04:32] <mru> fortran is live and well
  • [22:04:33] <louiz9201> dropped in too late and was out of context
  • [22:04:43] <mranostay> ah ok
  • [22:04:46] <m_billybob> mru, are you being serious or ... ?
  • [22:04:52] * m_billybob is reading . . .
  • [22:04:56] <jrover> seckford - I have that setup and working with my arduino Uno,
  • [22:05:05] <mru> m_billybob: I don't even know what you're doing
  • [22:05:06] <jrover> just want to move over to the beaglebone to get network
  • [22:05:06] <louiz9201> haha okay
  • [22:05:15] <mru> but fortran has to be better than javascript
  • [22:05:25] <louiz9201> well jrover, you should be able to use the existing linux spi driver to talk to it without a problem
  • [22:05:28] <seckford> jrover: once again I'm typing too late - it is of course 1wire not SPI. However, everything else is correct.
  • [22:05:33] <mranostay> i rather code in brainfuck than javascript :)
  • [22:05:38] <louiz9201> ahhh!
  • [22:05:57] <louiz9201> this is horrible, i'm sorry for dropping in and confusing everything
  • [22:06:03] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/155
  • [22:06:10] <mranostay> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/198
  • [22:06:16] <m_billybob> mru, id use snorkle if it was well supported on ARM but unfortunately it doesnt seem to be yet. and seems semi stale in that regard
  • [22:06:39] <m_billybob> the ARM framework been beta for quite a while now
  • [22:06:40] <mranostay> mru: wow there are a lot of javascript quotes
  • [22:06:50] <louiz9201> well on a side note, back to my original question, is anyone intimately familiar with the mcspi?
  • [22:07:11] <mranostay> no i'm not in sexual relationship with mcspi
  • [22:07:18] <mranostay> louiz9201: ask your question
  • [22:08:22] <seckford> jrover: I use a two-wire setup on Arduino's, but the BBB needs a 3-wire.
  • [22:08:45] <m_billybob> whats this 3-wire stuff ?
  • [22:08:51] <m_billybob> we talkign SPI ?
  • [22:08:54] <jrover> I have a three wire. I wired it to work in parasite mode for my arduino example but can unbridge the 2-wire to become 3-wire
  • [22:09:50] <seckford> m_billybob: no, 1Wire, power, data, ground => 3 wire. Pulled-up data, ground => 2 wire.
  • [22:09:54] <louiz9201> i'm writing a interface driver for some code using starterware. In my ISR that is triggered on TXFFE (based on XFER Level) i fill the TX fifo while polling TXFFF. When i get full, i notice that 70 bytes have been transferred as opposed to the 64 that was reported as it's size. I am not seeing any data loss though. The next time through the isr it appears the fifo is disabled and i am only able to write into the shift register directly. I am i
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  • [22:10:54] <Vaizki> I also have DS18B20 working great on my BBB
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  • [22:11:23] <m_billybob> so now im leftign wondering whats the difference between 1-wire and spi lol
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  • [22:11:30] <m_billybob> im left wondering*
  • [22:11:34] <Vaizki> they have nothing in common
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  • [22:11:39] <m_billybob> except that SPI can also be 4-wire
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  • [22:12:13] <seckford> m_billybob: well, spi is what, four wire?
  • [22:12:14] <louiz9201> haha 1-wire is asynchronous. the data is clocked and sampled asychronously (like uart). SPI has a clock and data line
  • [22:12:22] <louiz9201> one wire is also addressed, while spi has chip selects
  • [22:12:23] <mranostay> jrover: why can't you do that on a bbb?
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  • [22:12:41] <Vaizki> 1wire is dallas (maxim) proprietary sensor "bus".. all devices are active on it at the same time
  • [22:12:43] <m_billybob> yeah was jus tthinking abotu that 1-wire also has no CS line ?
  • [22:12:46] <m_billybob> ah ok yeap
  • [22:12:56] <Vaizki> each device has ID burned into it
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  • [22:13:30] <louiz9201> you absolutely can, the pru's are great for this kind of thing. however most one-wire devices i have seen are relatively slow so to dedicate a 200mhz to only talk 1-wire is a shame. you should be able to write a simple driver to toggle a gpio to get data
  • [22:14:02] <louiz9201> (i work on the bare-metal and would be absolutely useless for helping you integrate that into linux)
  • [22:14:08] <m_billybob> yeah SPI is pretty fast
  • [22:14:10] <Vaizki> there is a ready made driver
  • [22:14:11] <m_billybob> wel lcan be
  • [22:14:17] <Vaizki> [root@alarm etc]# cat /sys/bus/w1/devices/28-000004240267/w1_slave
  • [22:14:18] <Vaizki> 4e 03 4b 46 7f ff 02 10 a3 : crc=a3 YES
  • [22:14:18] <Vaizki> 4e 03 4b 46 7f ff 02 10 a3 t=52875
  • [22:14:25] <seckford> louiz9201: well, there's already a 1Wire driver if you want it.
  • [22:14:32] <Vaizki> 52.875??C in my water heater
  • [22:14:47] <louiz9201> no that's fine. i was hoping someone could shed some light on fifo management in the mcspi peripheral
  • [22:15:14] <ds2> how did you water proof the sensor?
  • [22:15:34] <mranostay> epoxy?
  • [22:15:51] <m_billybob> WD40 ;)
  • [22:15:52] <mru> my water is sensor-proof
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  • [22:17:17] <mranostay> heh
  • [22:18:22] <Vaizki> oh it's actually surface mounted to the boiler.. on a blind brass plug that blocks one of the holes in the stainless steel tank
  • [22:18:59] <Vaizki> not the best setup but I don't require great accuracy :)
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  • [22:19:45] <m_billybob> debian.org repo seems to be gettign hammered atm
  • [22:19:57] <m_billybob> 1byte/s lovely
  • [22:20:00] <Vaizki> and if you want them waterproof, might as well order something like this
  • [22:20:01] <Vaizki> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pcs-DS18b20-Waterproof-Temperature-Sensors-Temperature-Transducer-T1K-/380617471460?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item589e91b5e4
  • [22:20:10] <Vaizki> I have a few of those and they work fine
  • [22:20:35] <Vaizki> basically they are epoxy potted inside
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  • [22:21:51] <Vaizki> actually here's a good writeup on 1wire access in BBB
  • [22:21:52] <Vaizki> http://hipstercircuits.com/dallas-one-wire-temperature-reading-on-beaglebone-black-with-dto/
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  • [22:39:24] <m_billybob> grrr typi ruining my day
  • [22:39:28] <m_billybob> typo too
  • [22:40:43] <m_billybob> address 192.168.x.x \ netmask 255.255.255.0 \ gatway 192.168.x..x gee why is google.com destination unreachable ?
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  • [22:42:02] <Em_pleh> Hello
  • [22:42:15] <m_billybob> hi
  • [22:42:41] <Em_pleh> I am having a issue doing npm install time
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  • [22:43:28] <Em_pleh> is there a known issue?
  • [22:43:33] <m_billybob> Em_pleh so at the risj of sounding like a smart ass why are you askign here and not in #node
  • [22:43:36] <mranostay> m_billybob: can i ruin your day instead?
  • [22:43:58] <m_billybob> risk but yeah
  • [22:44:00] <Em_pleh> well its running a linux build that came with BBB
  • [22:44:08] <m_billybob> mranostay isnt that you're job ?
  • [22:44:25] <m_billybob> your<----
  • [22:44:35] <Em_pleh> m_billybob: Ok so a more direct BB question, can I flash the emmc via usb?
  • [22:44:54] <m_billybob> shouldnt be a problem
  • [22:45:17] <Em_pleh> m_billybob: can you direct me to a tutorial as I have not been able to find one.
  • [22:45:24] <m_billybob> ive never actually done it myself but i hjave booted from USB
  • [22:46:07] <m_billybob> Em_pleh well thats more of a general linux question / use case
  • [22:46:28] <Em_pleh> not really as its beagle board capability in question here
  • [22:46:36] <Em_pleh> m_billybob: now your sounding like a smart ass
  • [22:46:42] <m_billybob> not really
  • [22:46:59] <m_billybob> thats liek askign me if you can instal debian on a pc from USB
  • [22:47:16] <Em_pleh> USB or USB Drive
  • [22:47:39] <Em_pleh> theres a difference when your connected via a usb/serial connector and a usb drive boot
  • [22:47:47] <Vaizki> what is npm?
  • [22:47:56] <Em_pleh> npm is a node package manager
  • [22:48:03] <m_billybob> Vaizki node package manager
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  • [22:48:23] <Vaizki> oh. great. does anyone use node.js here?
  • [22:48:32] <Em_pleh> I do
  • [22:48:34] <Vaizki> I don't know anyone
  • [22:48:52] <Vaizki> well you're the one asking questions so it doesn't really count does it? :)
  • [22:48:59] <m_billybob> Em_pleh ok so what is it exactly that you want to do, do you want to flash the onboard flash via the usnet interface or do you want to flash the onboard flash via the hsot USB
  • [22:49:11] <m_billybob> host USB*
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  • [22:49:24] <Em_pleh> I want to flash the onboard EMMC via usb
  • [22:50:00] <m_billybob> ok, so you would boot via SD card, network, or USB, and then its a matter of running the flasher from USB
  • [22:50:31] <m_billybob> or you could do it all manually
  • [22:50:38] <Em_pleh> ok so I dont have a sd card, that my problem. So i am trying to find instructions on how to flash from usb
  • [22:51:15] <Em_pleh> when I say usb meaning usb/serial/network connector on BBB
  • [22:51:24] <Em_pleh> p4 port
  • [22:51:41] <Vaizki> you can't boot from usb stick
  • [22:51:49] <m_billybob> sure can Vaizki
  • [22:52:14] <Vaizki> well ok if you have SPL+uboot on eMMC or uSD
  • [22:52:14] <m_billybob> perhaps not into angstrom ive never done that but it will work for debian ARCH or busybox
  • [22:52:46] <m_billybob> but im still not sure what Em_pleh is talkign about
  • [22:52:52] <Em_pleh> ko
  • [22:52:54] <Em_pleh> ok
  • [22:52:56] <Vaizki> me neither. I'm going to sleep now.
  • [22:53:00] <m_billybob> USB/Serial/Network connector <---- what is this ?
  • [22:53:06] <Em_pleh> m_billybob: p4 port
  • [22:53:28] <m_billybob> help me out here what is a p4 port ?
  • [22:53:36] <m_billybob> you talkign about UART4 ?
  • [22:53:52] <m_billybob> you talkign about the mini USB ?
  • [22:53:58] <Em_pleh> mini usb
  • [22:54:05] <Em_pleh> its designated as p4
  • [22:54:09] <m_billybob> i do not think that is possible.
  • [22:54:19] <Em_pleh> ok can i via usb drive?
  • [22:54:33] <m_billybob> the normal connector on the other side it is possible
  • [22:54:35] <m_billybob> yes
  • [22:54:38] <m_billybob> the host side
  • [22:54:41] <Em_pleh> ok
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  • [22:54:51] <Em_pleh> so do i flash the drive with a armstrong image?
  • [22:55:35] <m_billybob> assuming you mean angstrom, you can I believe but i have not personally tested it
  • [22:55:42] <m_billybob> i know this is possible with debian
  • [22:55:55] <m_billybob> angstrom is a bit differnt but *should* work
  • [22:56:00] <Em_pleh> ubuntu maybe?
  • [22:56:25] <m_billybob> maybe. again i have not tested it. here is the deal let me give you where i am comming from
  • [22:57:03] <m_billybob> ive written some instructions to do netboot, and USB boot for debian. i had one of my readers tellign me the netboot instructions do not work with ubuntu fedora or angstrom
  • [22:57:33] <m_billybob> i assumed it would work. here again I am assume the USB boot instructions woudl work too, but perhaps they may not
  • [22:57:49] <Em_pleh> where are your instructions
  • [22:57:56] <m_billybob> what i do know that does work is booting angstrom from sd card
  • [22:58:14] <m_billybob> http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/
  • [22:58:59] <m_billybob> anyhow read the USB boot instruction they're generic and should giveyou an idea how to acomplhish what you want
  • [22:59:15] <m_billybob> accomplish ?
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  • [22:59:34] <Em_pleh> m_billybob: ill try it now
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  • [23:00:46] <Guest73233> beagleboard.org RMA form seems to be non-functional...
  • [23:00:59] <jkridner> oh?
  • [23:01:07] <jkridner> It just generates an email
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  • [23:01:25] <mranostay> jkridner: hey json!
  • [23:01:30] <Guest73233> Clicking submit didn't appear to actually do anything
  • [23:01:42] <jkridner> It should create an email...
  • [23:01:52] <jkridner> your browser might not have a mailer configured.
  • [23:02:01] <jkridner> hey mranostay!
  • [23:02:18] <Guest73233> I'll view source and just email directly then...
  • [23:02:28] <jkridner> Guest73233: If you just create an e-mail specifically with those fields, you should be fine.
  • [23:02:44] <Guest73233> k, thanks
  • [23:02:54] <jkridner> under Firefox, you can use the instructions at http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Changing%20the%20e-mail%20program%20used%20by%20Firefox to setup a mailer.
  • [23:03:30] <m_billybob> Em_pleh anyhow im going ot be in and out, i have company so if you have any questions ill try to answer but may not be at the keyboard for logn periods of time
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