• [00:00:20] <mranostay> CareBear\: btw the timeline in pulseview is weird
  • [00:00:25] * prpplague hasn't been to OLS in years
  • [00:00:44] <prpplague> CareBear\: you attending OLS too?
  • [00:00:58] <mranostay> prpplague: other OLS :)
  • [00:01:03] <CareBear\> prpplague : the logic analyzer
  • [00:01:27] <prpplague> CareBear\: ahh cross conversation, hehe
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  • [00:09:46] <mranostay> isn't OLS the reason for those harassement clauses in every conference now?
  • [00:10:15] <prpplague> yea
  • [00:10:18] <prpplague> one of them
  • [00:13:33] <ka6sox> I've bagged ELCE
  • [00:14:38] * mranostay compiles his case to get funding to go
  • [00:14:46] <mranostay> ka6sox: bagged good or bad?
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  • [00:14:57] <ka6sox> not going
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  • [00:35:32] <mranostay> CareBear\: triggers broken on OLS?
  • [00:39:14] <mranostay> it seems so
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  • [00:40:32] <brm> hi guys
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  • [00:41:36] <brm> anyone know how I make sure my kernel is selected as linux-am335x-psp_3.2 ?
  • [00:41:42] <mranostay> why?
  • [00:42:07] <brm> cause I need the beagleboard black patches
  • [00:43:14] <brm> and I need the compile to build a device tree for the black
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  • [00:45:05] <brm> can anyone give me a HOWTO select a paticular BSP kernel?
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  • [00:46:52] <brm> by the way, using Yocto with mesa-ti
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  • [00:48:05] <brm> anyone? mranostay ... were you asking me?
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  • [00:51:43] <brm> can anyone help me
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  • [00:53:54] <brm> can anyone help me select a kernel for a Yocto build?
  • [00:55:14] <mranostay> gah illegal instruction
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  • [00:55:52] <q500dude> BB black: boot from eMMC. Insert uSD card and nothing happens. Checked journalctl and no messages. What is the /dev device name that I can use to mount the uSD card? How do I refresh the partition table for the card as well. (I'm a newb)
  • [00:56:18] <brm> mranstay: be helpful
  • [00:57:15] <q500dude> Oh, default angstrom insmae
  • [00:57:22] <q500dude> image
  • [01:00:16] <brm> must be something wrong with IRC, no response for minutes .... and I swear they told me IRC was "real time" ;)
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  • [01:03:53] <mru> there's no such thing as real time, it's all an illusion
  • [01:04:06] <mru> mranostay: trying to run x86 code again?
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  • [01:10:46] <brm> well can the illusion answer my question?
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  • [01:34:41] <CareBear\> brm : you seem like an asshole
  • [01:34:54] <CareBear\> sorry to be blunt, but..
  • [01:35:47] <CareBear\> brm : what on earth makes you think that you can expect qualified support without charge at ridiculous time of day in two thirds of the world WITHIN MINUTES ?!
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  • [02:08:43] <mranostay> +1
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  • [02:18:41] <m_billybob> hola
  • [02:18:56] <m_billybob> everyone have a good beer filled weekend ?
  • [02:19:19] <m_billybob> mranostay you dont count i know you did :P
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  • [02:25:21] <mranostay> m_billybob: you know it
  • [02:26:26] <m_billybob> mranostay question though, have you ever heard of RTA in the context of postgreSQL ? Im reading a book about linux appliances, but never hear of the RTA library ( run time acess )
  • [02:27:02] <m_billybob> doing a quick apt-cache search doesnt seem to be very fruitful.
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  • [02:29:09] <m_billybob> seems it could be a "proprietary" library that was created for this book. bah * searches for a different option*
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  • [02:35:47] <mranostay> no clue
  • [02:39:15] <m_billybob> ok cool. google seems to know something about it
  • [02:39:35] <m_billybob> may not be an opton though if i cant find libs for Debian arm . ..
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  • [02:56:01] <ds2> m_billybob: RTA is open source but it is a creation of one person
  • [02:56:11] <ds2> you most likely will have to build it from source
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  • [03:08:54] <m_billybob> ds2, thanks. would you say it is worth my time investment using ? I have an appliance type situation, WebUI control etc
  • [03:09:21] <m_billybob> seems like it would be, but i dont know if there are better options out there
  • [03:09:28] <ds2> IMO, no
  • [03:09:42] <ds2> m_billybob: who's the author of that book?
  • [03:09:43] <m_billybob> what would be a better option in your pinion then ?
  • [03:09:50] * m_billybob looks
  • [03:09:53] <ds2> just want to make sure we are talking about the same thing
  • [03:10:01] <m_billybob> 4 of them its an oreily book
  • [03:10:11] <ds2> Bob something?
  • [03:10:17] <ds2> and John something are 2 of them?
  • [03:10:27] <m_billybob> No Starch Press, Copyright ? 2007 by Bob Smith, John Hardin, Graham Phillips, and Bill Pierce
  • [03:10:39] <ds2> Good, it is the same thing
  • [03:10:53] <ds2> I was not convinced it was a good idea when they trying telling me about it during lunch one time
  • [03:11:23] <ds2> it depends on what exactly you need
  • [03:11:53] <m_billybob> i just need a decent WebUI, would like ot avoid writtign as much code as possible but am not adverse to writting *some* code on my own
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  • [03:12:32] <ds2> what runs ur appliance?
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  • [03:12:36] <m_billybob> it has been reccommended to me that I would probably want t use somethign like phpbb for security, then put the appliance behind a securety appliance
  • [03:13:16] <m_billybob> right now its just a BBB with debian on it. I can make it run whatever i need assumign what i need will work
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  • [03:13:36] <m_billybob> i am sure i can make somethign work but just dont know what tools i should use
  • [03:13:48] <m_billybob> tools, libs, etc
  • [03:13:50] <ds2> it comes down to how ur control code is setup
  • [03:13:59] <ds2> if it dumps out XML files, you can just read that
  • [03:14:11] <ds2> otherwise, put in a port 80 handler and do it that way
  • [03:14:12] <m_billybob> most likely standard sysfs
  • [03:14:24] <ds2> you can always do it in node.js
  • [03:14:36] <m_billybob> thought of that too
  • [03:15:13] <m_billybob> i just dont want to waste my time fooking aroudn with a bunch of stuff. literaly no expeprience
  • [03:15:26] <m_billybob> experience in this regard*
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  • [03:16:08] <m_billybob> thought about using bonescript even but right now its not ready for my own needs
  • [03:16:24] <m_billybob> which is just a script on top of node.js from what i understand
  • [03:18:38] <m_billybob> ds2, ok thanks again. seeems i need to do a bit more research still
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  • [04:58:17] <edwinosborn> hi
  • [04:59:09] <edwinosborn> can anyone say me whether i can get a Beaglebone Black Kit via my Paypal account ?
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  • [05:04:33] <dm8tbr> edwinosborn: check the distributors and their options
  • [05:04:35] <dm8tbr> meh
  • [05:04:42] <m_billybob> kind of a silly question
  • [05:04:59] <m_billybob> ( anyways )
  • [05:05:09] <m_billybob> like you said, that'd been the first thing id have checked
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  • [05:16:28] <lispghost> hi,all,today I want to connect my BBB to my monitor through an adapter but after I boot my BBB there is nothing but an linux icon on my monitor
  • [05:16:48] <lispghost> after a while,the login screen show on my monitor
  • [05:17:33] <lispghost> but disappear after a mintue
  • [05:19:31] <dm8tbr> it's called a screen saver
  • [05:22:17] <mranostay> heh
  • [05:22:22] <mranostay> so retro
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  • [05:23:55] <m_billybob> lol yeah id be ashamed too
  • [05:24:44] <dm8tbr> "I'd like to RMA this board, the screen goes black during power outage!"
  • [05:25:09] <m_billybob> "as such i can not even figureout how to install rasbian on it . . ."
  • [05:25:32] <m_billybob> still got to be one of my favorite questions "how do i install rasbian on the BBB?"
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  • [05:26:12] <dm8tbr> someone asked that?
  • [05:26:17] <m_billybob> yes sir
  • [05:26:29] <dm8tbr> well, technically, ...
  • [05:26:34] <m_billybob> think it was asked just before or after someone asked how he could install more ram
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  • [05:27:00] <m_billybob> dm8tbr yeah i know but still like install debian right ?
  • [05:27:11] <dm8tbr> sure, we know that
  • [05:27:35] <av500> why should rasbian not install
  • [05:27:51] <av500> BBB should run armv6
  • [05:27:53] <dm8tbr> yeah, my point. just needs a working kernel
  • [05:27:56] <m_billybob> av500 but thats not really the question
  • [05:28:04] <m_billybob> the question is "why"
  • [05:28:12] <av500> because
  • [05:28:36] <dm8tbr> if I'd be _really_ bored I'd go and do that right now. "because I can"
  • [05:29:08] <m_billybob> i cant argue with the "becasue i can" part because I do that too, but most likely not in this case lol
  • [05:30:00] <dm8tbr> btw: I'm sure this would be _wildly_ popular with the rpi fanboiz and would probably make /. and hackaday...
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  • [05:30:09] <dm8tbr> for all the obviously wrong reasons
  • [05:30:23] <av500> computer runs software, film at 11
  • [05:30:28] <m_billybob> lol
  • [05:30:54] <av500> m_billybob: I found that most of todays "hacks" can be summed up by that
  • [05:31:27] <dm8tbr> yup. install qemu-x86, boot winxp image. hackaday frontpage
  • [05:31:44] <m_billybob> dm8tbr yeah idk you might have to work the arduino factor in there some where too
  • [05:31:50] <m_billybob> then it'd make /. for sure
  • [05:32:15] <dm8tbr> m_billybob: well, you do know about the userspace arduino project?
  • [05:32:47] <m_billybob> dm8tbr i may have read about it but not familiar with it. I tend to shy away from any rpi or arduino
  • [05:32:57] <m_billybob> aything *
  • [05:33:02] <m_billybob> anything . . .
  • [05:33:34] <m_billybob> I cannot explain it. i just feel dirty reading arduino code. i have no excuse.
  • [05:34:03] <av500> why the sudden arduino bashing?
  • [05:34:26] <m_billybob> im not bashing arduino, i just dont like it. use one if you wish
  • [05:35:08] <av500> isnt arduino mostly C?
  • [05:35:16] <av500> in theeir "IDE"/SDK
  • [05:35:26] <m_billybob> C/C++ i believe
  • [05:35:31] <av500> yes
  • [05:35:44] <av500> gpio::toggle
  • [05:36:13] <CareBear\> I don't mind bashing arduino
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  • [05:38:22] <m_billybob> av500 i guess ijust have a problem with their framework if thats what you'd like to call it. but on the other side of the coin I have seen some fairly ingenious stuff done with arduino
  • [05:38:44] <tolip> duino is good for 3D printers and such, has good PWM support. The LinuxCNC folks got the BBB workin reasonably well now though.
  • [05:39:06] <ds2> the duino is horrible for 3D printers
  • [05:39:13] <m_billybob> something i have an interrest is mppt charge controller. seen a fairly cool mppt project done with one. but it was as about as simple as you can get in that realm
  • [05:39:17] <ds2> but they are too busy reinventing the wheel to see it yet.
  • [05:39:20] <ds2> give it a few years
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  • [05:40:49] <av500> mppptpst?
  • [05:41:17] <m_billybob> The person who wrote the software though wrote the code all in C using no duino libs/framework stuff
  • [05:47:06] <m_billybob> I take that back looks like he uses TimerOne.h
  • [05:47:36] <m_billybob> i think this is it -> http://www.timnolan.com/?page=arduino-ppt-solar-charger
  • [05:48:26] <m_billybob> Anyhow we're solar powered so probably of less interrest to most.
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  • [05:57:18] <Vaizki> How many watts are you pulling in usually?
  • [06:00:48] <ka6sox> 250kW normally
  • [06:01:14] <m_billybob> depends on SoC of the bank but have notice as high as 300A @ 12v nominal. now when i say 12v nominal the actual voltage was probably above 14v
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  • [06:01:42] <m_billybob> it doesnt stay that high for long . . .
  • [06:01:43] <mippen> Does anyone know which Android source is used for the BBB android build? Need to investigate if there is a way to set static IP on eth0. Afraid that statis/dhcp is set in the build.
  • [06:01:53] <ds2> m_billybob: how thuck of a wire do you use?
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  • [06:02:24] <m_billybob> I think most is 8 guage ( we have many wire runs )
  • [06:02:36] <m_billybob> err 6 guage
  • [06:02:39] <ds2> wow. didn't think #8 can handle 300A
  • [06:02:43] <ds2> must get a bit warm?
  • [06:02:54] <av500> mippen: rowboat?
  • [06:02:56] <av500> they have a git
  • [06:03:04] <m_billybob> its not a single run each bank / charge controller gets its own set of wires
  • [06:03:06] <Vaizki> 300A?? Nice
  • [06:03:23] <av500> I think a 300B sounds warmer
  • [06:03:54] <m_billybob> Vaizki our peak is as high as ~5400W but we'll never see that
  • [06:04:28] <Vaizki> You run a whole village off that? :)
  • [06:04:33] <m_billybob> eficiency plays a big part in that
  • [06:04:43] <m_billybob> no just one 100'x80' building
  • [06:05:07] <m_billybob> we have more panels but those re connected to two seperate solar water pumps
  • [06:05:34] <m_billybob> wells that are ~450 feet deep
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  • [06:06:51] <mippen> has rowboat a release now for BBB? Have to look into that.. last time I checked there where no BBB build
  • [06:06:52] <m_billybob> one does aroudn 2 gallons a minute the other does aroudn 6 gallons a minute. enough to keep a largish garden and two small orchards watered
  • [06:07:12] <Vaizki> Where are you?
  • [06:07:17] <m_billybob> Arizona
  • [06:07:20] <av500> mippen: what android build are you running then?
  • [06:07:50] <ds2> rowboat don't have to be specific to BBB
  • [06:08:08] <mippen> Using a prebuilt 4.2.2 version
  • [06:08:38] <ds2> it is just some stupid userland.
  • [06:08:52] <mippen> "TI_Android_JB_4.2.2_DevKit_4.1.1_beagleboneblack"
  • [06:09:33] <m_billybob> Vaizki our arrays ->https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eBENCbmDBLc/UgVE_686nmI/AAAAAAAAAMo/KSWNxhtVm1U/s912/solar-array01.jpg
  • [06:09:44] <av500> mippen: sounds a lot like rowboat to me
  • [06:10:16] <av500> m_billybob: you could have allinged the 5 on top properly, couldnt you
  • [06:10:24] <mranostay> av500: hey sweet buns
  • [06:10:30] <av500> yo kid
  • [06:10:33] <av500> teeth brushed?
  • [06:10:56] <mranostay> no
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  • [06:11:18] <m_billybob> av500 actualy the top arays are closer to summer maximum than the ones flat on the roof
  • [06:11:35] <m_billybob> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-cqOjaY90RdE/UgVFBrQyJuI/AAAAAAAAAMw/ikT9UP5XmXM/s912/solar-array02.jpg
  • [06:11:43] <m_billybob> thats the new array we put up this spring
  • [06:11:55] <m_billybob> ( which is the one in the bottomof the first pic )
  • [06:12:01] <mippen> Could be.. think I got it via TI's site. Is there away to set static IP without doing an own build?
  • [06:12:50] <ds2> yes.
  • [06:13:22] <Vaizki> 48V?
  • [06:13:26] <m_billybob> 12
  • [06:13:38] <av500> 54
  • [06:13:41] <m_billybob> we'relikely to move to 24v next year
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  • [06:13:54] <ds2> m_billybob: any accidents where wrenches get vaporized?
  • [06:14:03] <m_billybob> we're goign to have 6900W more panels and the need for 220v
  • [06:14:05] <mranostay> 26v + 26v?
  • [06:14:14] <m_billybob> ds2 sacrificed one screw driver
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  • [06:15:08] <ds2> m_billybob: how quickly did that vaporize?
  • [06:15:33] <m_billybob> it didnt but split second burned a whole nearly completely thru it
  • [06:15:40] <m_billybob> hole*
  • [06:16:01] <m_billybob> probably a 1/4" screwdriver shaft
  • [06:16:18] <ds2> oh my
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  • [06:16:45] <m_billybob> needless to say, that doesnt happen any more lol
  • [06:17:58] <Vaizki> Yea with 24 or 48V your amps would be a bit less
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  • [06:18:44] <m_billybob> https://picasaweb.google.com/106867156582775247949/February62013?authkey=Gv1sRgCPCf8-uDppK9VA#slideshow/5841924642843989938
  • [06:18:56] <m_billybob> chare controllers, we've sicne put up 4 more
  • [06:19:11] <m_billybob> but thats ~81A on just those 3
  • [06:20:03] <m_billybob> wel lactually its probably around 70 A the last digimeter is voltage ( 13.68v )
  • [06:20:37] <ds2> m_billybob: I wonder if you can start a car from that panel
  • [06:20:48] <av500> m_billybob: love your pool
  • [06:21:09] <m_billybob> most definately
  • [06:21:15] <m_billybob> https://picasaweb.google.com/106867156582775247949/February62013?authkey=Gv1sRgCPCf8-uDppK9VA#slideshow/5841924509974432162
  • [06:21:22] <m_billybob> if you like electronics parts rooms
  • [06:21:29] <m_billybob> you'll love that last picture
  • [06:21:31] <av500> you run a computer museum?
  • [06:21:54] <av500> a separate bin for 37Ohm.....
  • [06:22:01] <m_billybob> wulf my buddy is an arcade board PCB repair hobbyist, and when i say hobbyist, you'll likely not find anyone better
  • [06:22:26] <m_billybob> he loves to restore retro arcade boards
  • [06:22:44] <dm8tbr> dusty pcbs are dusty...
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  • [06:23:59] <m_billybob> lol this is arizona 6k feet above sea level sandy, and windy
  • [06:24:09] <m_billybob> we have dust ALWAYS
  • [06:24:23] <av500> dust for breakfast, dust for supper
  • [06:24:28] <av500> dust with dust
  • [06:24:34] <m_billybob> dust to shower with.
  • [06:24:44] <m_billybob> its pretty nasty here dust wise.
  • [06:24:46] <av500> to shower the dust off
  • [06:24:58] <av500> dont eat the yellow dust
  • [06:26:13] <m_billybob> heh we're working on it here in a few years this whole place will hopefuly be grassy
  • [06:26:15] <av500> I watched a documentary about salt mines once, you can bring down computers and run them fine
  • [06:26:20] <av500> but you cannot bring them up
  • [06:26:29] <av500> salt dust will get wet and kill it
  • [06:26:56] <av500> mranostay: take not
  • [06:26:58] <av500> mranostay: take note
  • [06:26:58] <m_billybob> take apart, but in dishwasher, douse with alcohol let dry for two days
  • [06:27:02] <m_billybob> FIXED ;)
  • [06:27:10] <m_billybob> put in dishwasher*
  • [06:27:13] <av500> small things yes
  • [06:27:26] <av500> maybe not the loaders and lorries etc
  • [06:27:45] <av500> well, as a hobby maybe
  • [06:29:10] <Vaizki> yea that's some dust...
  • [06:29:45] <Vaizki> I couldn't do it, live somewhere with that kind of dust problem.
  • [06:30:14] <m_billybob> you get used to it, as well as showering regularly
  • [06:30:14] <mranostay> av500: i've worked in salt mines just not that kind
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  • [06:32:02] <m_billybob> Vaizki the thing most people would have issues with at least for a month or so is the altitude. the air is pretty thin up here. and during winter, could have snow on the ground, but if the sun is out, it *will* feel hot still
  • [06:33:27] <m_billybob> or at least warm anyhow
  • [06:34:30] <m_billybob> but its not like pheonix here. we have pretty even temperatures year round thats one of the great thing comparitively mild summer. doesnt get much above 100F here ever
  • [06:34:52] <ds2> m_billybob: where areyou?
  • [06:34:55] <m_billybob> dont thin kwe even hit 100F here this year
  • [06:34:56] <Vaizki> yea.. I've spent a lot of time in Mexico City and the altitude + dust + pollution in the summertime does not agree with me
  • [06:35:09] <m_billybob> no polution here at all Vaizki
  • [06:35:15] <Vaizki> yes I know
  • [06:35:33] <m_billybob> ds2 East Arizona
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  • [06:37:59] <Vaizki> our solar problems must be a bit different than yours.. like in the winter if the sun doesn't come up over the horizon at all during the day ;)
  • [06:38:12] <m_billybob> Vaizki anyhow the idea is in a couple years we'll have nothing but grazing grass on the whole property here. it'll be lots of work but will be worth it in the end
  • [06:38:16] <m_billybob> where at ?
  • [06:38:27] <Vaizki> well here in southern Finland it does but not further north
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  • [06:38:34] <m_billybob> ah
  • [06:38:39] <m_billybob> hows the wind ?
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  • [06:39:02] <Vaizki> pesky if you ask me ;)
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  • [06:39:25] <m_billybob> wind can be good power too best is hydro though if you're lucky enough to have a suitable running stream
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  • [06:40:00] <Vaizki> finland is a bit flat and I think it's illegal to hydro streams without separate permits which aren't really forthcoming..
  • [06:40:14] <Vaizki> then again, don't ask, do and say "oh" if someone finds out
  • [06:40:16] <m_billybob> we actually have a largish wind farm within visual range from us, so yeah we get strong wind and good sun
  • [06:40:25] <m_billybob> lol
  • [06:40:46] <m_billybob> that has to suck.
  • [06:41:06] <m_billybob> i mean if you own the property and water rights . . . yeah idk
  • [06:44:29] <Vaizki> I guess the government doesn't want people messing with the streams because of the trout etc..
  • [06:44:41] <Vaizki> not everything goes downstream :)
  • [06:44:57] <m_billybob> yeah i can see where they're comming from. water supply contamination too id guess
  • [06:45:22] <Vaizki> yea but we're a pretty clean bunch here
  • [06:45:29] <m_billybob> sure.
  • [06:45:45] <m_billybob> ( no sarcasm )
  • [06:46:07] <Vaizki> they just shut down emissions from a Russian phosphorous plant or something like that.. it polluted the Baltic Sea as much as all of Finland combined
  • [06:46:24] <m_billybob> :/
  • [06:46:27] <Vaizki> one plant vs our country, and we share a shallow & enclosed sea with them
  • [06:49:37] <Vaizki> but yea I guess a small hydro plant would not disturb a stream very much.. you could just run a truck alternator from a small diameter pipe and generate respectable amounts of power
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  • [06:49:55] <m_billybob> and screns for the fishies
  • [06:49:59] <m_billybob> screens*
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  • [06:51:42] <KotH> kiilo: s?gemol, woher chunt din nick eigentli?
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  • [06:55:59] <KotH> a wonderfull good evening mrpackethead, may the JIHAD be with you
  • [06:56:15] <mrpackethead> thanks KotH i think
  • [06:56:25] * m_billybob feels a disturbance in the JIHAD
  • [06:57:54] * KotH stirs the soup
  • [06:58:20] <KotH> oh... today is schr?dingers caturday!
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  • [06:59:36] <mrpackethead> KotH: just sent the Purchase order today for Altium linceces
  • [06:59:38] <mrpackethead> and training
  • [07:00:07] <ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Altium
  • [07:02:42] <KotH> mrpackethead: i hope you've fun with it
  • [07:02:52] <KotH> ds2: what's wrong with altium?
  • [07:03:25] <ds2> KotH: it runs in windows
  • [07:03:39] <Shadyman> ^
  • [07:03:43] <KotH> eh..
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  • [07:03:54] <KotH> ds2: how many eda packages run on linux?
  • [07:03:55] <Shadyman> It could be worse.
  • [07:03:57] <m_billybob> so does orcad
  • [07:04:36] <Shadyman> KotH: Eagle, gEDA, KiCAD
  • [07:05:02] <Shadyman> So not a whole lot of high-end stuff
  • [07:05:04] <KotH> i rest my case
  • [07:05:16] <Shadyman> indeed
  • [07:05:47] <mrpackethead> ds2: the winblows thing is the down side
  • [07:05:58] <mrpackethead> but Eagle, Geda and kicad are kind of toyish.
  • [07:06:32] <ds2> so is altium
  • [07:06:37] <ds2> it crashes too much
  • [07:06:51] <KotH> ds2: thats usually botched up installations
  • [07:06:57] <ds2> if you want non toyish, there is ORCAD, Allegro, etc
  • [07:06:59] <KotH> ds2: reinstall it and it will work fine
  • [07:07:02] <ds2> bah
  • [07:07:14] <ds2> I have lost enough time with the Altium predecessor
  • [07:07:21] <KotH> orcad and allegro do not run on linux either
  • [07:07:31] <ds2> yes
  • [07:07:34] <ds2> but at least they are not toyish
  • [07:07:45] <ds2> Altium is a toy and it runs on Windows
  • [07:08:01] <ds2> only potential mitigating factor is that it does MCAD integration
  • [07:08:12] <KotH> i'm not saying that altium is the best tool out there, but it's one with a better bang for the buck
  • [07:08:29] <ds2> it is horrible
  • [07:09:28] <KotH> what's horrible?
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  • [07:10:16] <KotH> hoi woglinde
  • [07:10:32] <ds2> altium
  • [07:10:44] <KotH> what about altium is horrible?
  • [07:11:08] <av500> first of all the name
  • [07:11:23] * KotH nods
  • [07:11:28] <av500> see
  • [07:11:28] <KotH> yes, the name could be a lot better
  • [07:11:34] <av500> do we need to go further?
  • [07:11:37] <av500> we already agree
  • [07:12:05] <KotH> yes, we do need to go further! world domination awaits us!
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  • [07:28:41] <ashes> i went shopping: http://www.secondfloor.ca/robert/new/new-workdesk.jpg
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  • [07:29:30] <av500> its too small
  • [07:29:54] <ashes> depends what i'm doing
  • [07:30:29] <av500> also looks not very sturdy
  • [07:30:46] <av500> is that foldable?
  • [07:32:03] <mrpackethead> ds2, what do you use. A black pen and transparent paper?
  • [07:32:08] <mrpackethead> and those rub off dot things
  • [07:33:31] <mrpackethead> ds2: are you trying to install opencv?
  • [07:34:16] <ashes> folable, yes
  • [07:34:30] <ashes> foldable, yes
  • [07:35:09] <ashes> in one way, i want my space to be functional for me; in another way, i want my space to be stylish to other people. this is a difficult mix
  • [07:35:46] <ashes> right now, my bedroom is a total mess
  • [07:36:01] <ashes> can barely navigate it
  • [07:36:53] <dm8tbr> ashes: funny, in firefox I get a redirect loop for that whole domain, regardless of path
  • [07:37:03] <ashes> i'm a prospect for the TV show Horders, right now
  • [07:37:18] <ashes> dm8tbr: i use firefox
  • [07:37:24] <dm8tbr> works if I change it to https tho
  • [07:37:53] <ashes> https is prefered. you're not the first person to complain. i'll check it out
  • [07:38:03] <dm8tbr> "The page isn't redirecting properly"
  • [07:38:06] <dm8tbr> no idea why
  • [07:38:19] <dm8tbr> maybe some rewrite rule running amok?
  • [07:38:26] <ashes> it's probably redirecting to https, and my html is bad
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  • [07:38:44] <woglinde> gm all
  • [07:38:50] <dm8tbr> good moaning woglinde
  • [07:39:33] <ashes> the new desk is nice and solid
  • [07:40:08] <ashes> i will probably destroy the desk top, but that can be replaced
  • [07:40:16] * dm8tbr likes the wall thingy
  • [07:40:19] <rob_w_> anybody with the name Allan Tull around ?
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  • [07:41:06] <dm8tbr> I have an old university desk, super heavy, as workdesk, nice stuff. just would need to unearth it under the pile of movingboxes :/
  • [07:42:22] <KotH> ashes: no matter what you do, it's too small!
  • [07:42:37] <dm8tbr> yes, that's a standard problem
  • [07:42:51] <dm8tbr> stuff expands to fill your desk automagically
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  • [07:43:51] <KotH> ashes: and why should your desk be stylish to others?
  • [07:43:54] <m_billybob> too small -> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aW3KFezSv_c/URKu2Xq_-CI/AAAAAAAAAGU/jnuh5Q2tN60/s912/DSC00079.jpg
  • [07:44:06] <KotH> ashes: do you have parties on your desk, regularly?
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  • [07:44:24] <mrpackethead> someone is making a reflow oven
  • [07:44:33] <m_billybob> someone has one made
  • [07:44:52] <ashes> KotH: because it's part of my house
  • [07:45:35] <KotH> ashes: dont let people in that room
  • [07:46:17] <KotH> ashes: my study is a complete mess with books on the floor everywhere. but mere mortals are not allowed there
  • [07:46:35] <m_billybob> mrpackethead -> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--ZzY8TanVCU/UTpiiPdkv8I/AAAAAAAAAJE/RzJLr2WHoOM/s912/DSC00095.jpg
  • [07:47:34] <m_billybob> that'd be the reflow oven controller, and yes that an msp430 launchpad
  • [07:48:21] <m_billybob> only for debugging / uploading code. can run standalone with an msp430G2553
  • [07:48:27] <mrpackethead> i have a sparkfun one
  • [07:48:31] <mrpackethead> works pretty well
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  • [07:48:59] <ashes> KotH: my bedroom is my only room. i rent a room
  • [07:49:05] <m_billybob> yeah thats what you said before im just in "show off mode" atm
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  • [07:50:38] <m_billybob> i still dont have the code for that quite polished yet though
  • [07:52:23] <m_billybob> lol browsing videos on youtubem and hit a related video tagged "Linux torvalds: java is a terrible language"
  • [07:52:28] <m_billybob> nuh uh !
  • [07:52:42] <m_billybob> Linus* but yeah
  • [07:52:42] * mranostay notes the people at the bar downstairs are loud
  • [07:52:51] <KotH> ashes: living like a poor student?
  • [07:52:52] <mranostay> don't people have to work today?
  • [07:52:56] <SpeedEvil> remember - his native language is Finnish
  • [07:53:08] <mrpackethead> mranostay: work is for the masses.
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  • [07:53:14] <mrpackethead> play is for the free
  • [07:53:28] <mrpackethead> $beagle is for tghe ...
  • [07:53:35] <mranostay> mrpackethead: maybe but this overpriced flat isn't paying for itself
  • [07:54:04] <KotH> mranostay: go join them!
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  • [07:54:11] <m_billybob> we all know why you really live there mranostay
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  • [07:54:19] <m_billybob> short trip to get a beer.
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  • [07:54:36] <mranostay> mrpackethead: yes no DUI risk is one reason
  • [07:55:07] <m_billybob> hopefully you get discount pricing
  • [07:55:19] <KotH> mranostay: you should move to a country with working public transport
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  • [07:55:44] <m_billybob> beer prices in a bar ug . . .
  • [07:56:10] <m_billybob> "bud light please" that'll be $15.99 thanks
  • [07:56:24] <mranostay> heh
  • [07:56:24] <m_billybob> forget about good stuff
  • [07:56:54] <mranostay> er yeah what horrible bars have you been too?
  • [07:56:55] <KotH> m_billybob: that's why the local university has a bar run by students
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  • [07:59:24] <m_billybob> havent been to a bar in quite some time actually
  • [07:59:42] <m_billybob> obviously i was overstating
  • [07:59:48] <cverster> hey everyone! is there some reason this code would not work on a bbb? http://pastebin.com/8A9yeiqn
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  • [08:00:09] <KotH> cverster: yes, there are many
  • [08:00:27] <cverster> I used the command "echo BB-UART4 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots" to setup my UART
  • [08:00:50] <m_billybob> #1 where is main() ? ;)
  • [08:00:59] <cverster> haha, -_-
  • [08:01:09] <m_billybob> must bepython
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  • [08:01:31] <cverster> I also connected pins P9.11 to P9.13, thus RX and TX of UART 4
  • [08:01:32] <m_billybob> no error message ?
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  • [08:01:45] <cverster> nope, just doesnt read anything when I send serial!
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  • [08:01:57] <m_billybob> permissions ?
  • [08:02:09] <cverster> permissions?
  • [08:02:31] <KotH> you need permission ultraviolet!
  • [08:02:44] <cverster> what is this thing that you speak of
  • [08:02:50] <Vaizki> 7bit odd parity 2 stop bits? really?
  • [08:02:50] <ynezz> permission to shuffle bits over copper
  • [08:02:57] <m_billybob> reading / writting /dev/tty doesnt require specific permission ?
  • [08:03:14] <cverster> ok, how do I set the permissions?
  • [08:03:20] <Vaizki> with chmod
  • [08:03:24] <Vaizki> it's a file
  • [08:03:39] <cverster> note: the code runs.
  • [08:03:50] <ynezz> but open() then would throw stones
  • [08:03:50] <cverster> i know chmod, what extensions do I use then?
  • [08:04:08] <Vaizki> open() should throw an exception if it can't access the file
  • [08:04:38] * m_billybob was guessing
  • [08:04:47] <m_billybob> or actually morelike asking
  • [08:05:12] <ynezz> it's time for scope/logic probe
  • [08:05:18] <Vaizki> cverster: are you sure it's 7,O,2 and not 8,N,1 ...
  • [08:06:02] <cverster> Vaizki: How do I check? Is there a default setup for the serial ports?
  • [08:06:18] <m_billybob> 8n1
  • [08:06:22] <Vaizki> and since what you are doing is basically a terminal program why not try some ready made terminal first to see if the other end is talking to you
  • [08:06:39] <Vaizki> cverster: 99.99999.. of modern serials are 8 bit, no parity, 1 stop bit
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  • [08:06:57] <cverster> even if I make it 8n1, it does not read anything
  • [08:07:16] <Vaizki> are you sure there's stuff coming in over the serial?
  • [08:07:25] <m_billybob> is this the famous off by 1 eror ?
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  • [08:07:35] <cverster> no I'm not sure
  • [08:07:37] <m_billybob> e.g. off by one tty device
  • [08:07:50] <cverster> note: I connected the TX to the RX, im using the same port
  • [08:09:38] <m_billybob> ok so if baud rate was off, you'd get gibberish so thats not it ( because you're gettign nothing )
  • [08:09:42] <Vaizki> ah ok loopback
  • [08:09:55] <ynezz> -> scope/logic analyzer
  • [08:09:59] <cverster> yep, nothing at all
  • [08:10:20] <cverster> ynezz: osciloscope on the TX terminal?
  • [08:10:53] <ynezz> does it matter?
  • [08:11:10] <ynezz> try both, it's faster then typing the question here
  • [08:11:35] <cverster> I think my problem is with the setup of the port, I mean, when I "echo BB-UART4 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr./slots", that gives me /dev/ttyO4, but is that sufficient to now just open that port and start using it?
  • [08:12:30] <Vaizki> ummm /dev/ttyO4 is UART5
  • [08:12:46] <m_billybob> so when at the console what happens when yo utype echo "test" > /dev/tty04 ?
  • [08:12:56] <cverster> ok, I thought that might be the case, but I connect the TX and RX of uart5 together and still get nothing
  • [08:13:19] <Vaizki> do you have a /dev/ttyO3 then?
  • [08:13:30] <cverster> m_billybob: nothing happens
  • [08:13:37] <cverster> Vaizki: no, only ttyO4
  • [08:13:42] <m_billybob> sounds like you've got the wrong device
  • [08:14:00] <Vaizki> and it's ttyO4, not tty04 .. "oh" and not zero
  • [08:14:08] <Vaizki> O = OMAP
  • [08:14:10] <m_billybob> you did swap tx's and tx's ?
  • [08:14:13] <cverster> Yes that I know
  • [08:14:18] <m_billybob> err tx's and rx's
  • [08:14:34] <cverster> swap?
  • [08:14:35] <Vaizki> cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pingroups
  • [08:14:42] <m_billybob> rx to tx , tx to rx
  • [08:14:45] <Vaizki> does it show those pins as being used by uart
  • [08:15:12] <cverster> group: pinmux_bb_uart4_pins
  • [08:15:12] <cverster> pin 28 (44e10870)
  • [08:15:12] <cverster> pin 29 (44e10874)
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  • [08:17:12] <cverster> so yes
  • [08:19:09] <m_billybob> ah ok loopback
  • [08:19:09] <Vaizki> and dmesg shows ttyO4 being instantiated when you load the cape?
  • [08:19:26] <m_billybob> think Vaizki already said that lol
  • [08:19:33] * m_billybob had to read up again
  • [08:19:49] <cverster> the cape
  • [08:19:52] <cverster> what cape?
  • [08:20:02] <m_billybob> virtual cape
  • [08:20:21] <m_billybob> cat slots
  • [08:20:29] <cverster> the only command I've given is "echo BB-UART4 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots"
  • [08:20:47] <cverster> then when I "cat /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots", I read
  • [08:21:01] <cverster> 7: ff:P-O-L Override Board Name,00A0,Override Manuf,BB-UART4
  • [08:21:07] <m_billybob> loaded
  • [08:21:25] <m_billybob> i knowthat dt works too ive used it
  • [08:21:30] <m_billybob> so . . .
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  • [08:21:45] <cverster> ok and thats when I use a .dts file?
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  • [08:22:04] <m_billybob> well thats when yo uload the overlay
  • [08:22:16] <m_billybob> but yes it *shold* be functional
  • [08:22:31] <cverster> this is not fun anymore
  • [08:22:41] <Vaizki> pastebin dmesg from loading it
  • [08:22:54] <m_billybob> and still no output from echo "test" /dev/ttyO4 hmmm
  • [08:23:02] <m_billybob> err
  • [08:23:06] <m_billybob> and still no output from echo "test" > /dev/ttyO4 hmmm
  • [08:23:22] <Shadyman> shouldn't it be 04, not O4?
  • [08:23:31] <Vaizki> no it should be O4
  • [08:23:34] <Shadyman> k
  • [08:23:40] <Vaizki> O for OMAP serial driver
  • [08:23:42] <Shadyman> ahh.
  • [08:23:45] <Shadyman> just a guess.
  • [08:23:57] <Vaizki> but I agree, not the best choice
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  • [08:25:01] <m_billybob> so i think what ynezz said like 5 hours ago, break outthe scope
  • [08:25:12] <m_billybob> logic analyzer, whatever.
  • [08:25:25] <cverster> http://pastebin.com/udxLa4tj
  • [08:25:46] <KotH> use your tongue!
  • [08:25:57] <cverster> and feel the ASCII?
  • [08:26:03] <cverster> sorry, Vaizki: http://pastebin.com/udxLa4tj
  • [08:26:04] <KotH> no, the current
  • [08:26:11] <Vaizki> ok so yea your /dev/ttyO4 should be ok then
  • [08:26:20] <Vaizki> that dmesg output looks ok to me.. :P
  • [08:26:36] <m_billybob> that advert
  • [08:26:44] <m_billybob> "weird food kills blood pressure"
  • [08:26:51] <m_billybob> and hense teh host ?
  • [08:26:52] <cverster> echo "test" > /dev/ttyO4 still does nothing
  • [08:26:59] <m_billybob> cause we need blood pressure . . .
  • [08:28:05] <Vaizki> cverster: you could try stty -F /dev/ttyO4 raw; stty -F /dev/ttyO4 9600; cat /dev/ttyO4&; sleep 1; echo test > /dev/ttyO4
  • [08:28:27] <Vaizki> but that will leave "cat" in the background reading the port so you have to kill it manually then
  • [08:30:39] <Vaizki> and I would doublecheck that you connected the right pins :)
  • [08:30:48] <Vaizki> and then triplechec
  • [08:30:55] <cverster> Vaizki: still nothing :(
  • [08:31:19] <cverster> ok, the pins for UART4, P9.1 to P9.45 runs down the left column right?
  • [08:31:32] <cverster> oops
  • [08:31:59] <cverster> i mean, they go, P9.1 on left, then P9.2 on right, zigzagging? weird setup for pins
  • [08:32:11] <Vaizki> pin1 is marked
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  • [08:32:34] <m_billybob> okie way past my bedtime night all
  • [08:32:59] <Vaizki> http://letsmakerobots.com/files/userpics/u19048/B_3PinOut3.png
  • [08:33:11] <Vaizki> that shows how the pins are numbered
  • [08:33:51] <cverster> I cannot believe it
  • [08:34:02] <cverster> I swopped P9 and P8, SO MUCH EFFORT
  • [08:34:11] <Vaizki> haha
  • [08:34:13] <Vaizki> fffail
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  • [08:34:26] <Vaizki> my invoice will be in the mail
  • [08:34:44] <cverster> what in the world
  • [08:34:53] <cverster> I thought I was solving the worlds problems here
  • [08:35:08] <woglinde> cverster how is it going?
  • [08:36:12] <Vaizki> he spent a day poking the wrong hole.. situation normal ;)
  • [08:36:50] <cverster> good and you woglinde?
  • [08:37:09] <cverster> had a great weekend on the east coast of South Africa
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  • [08:38:12] <Vaizki> damn.. I want to go back to SA..
  • [08:38:46] <Vaizki> I have a friend who lives in Scarborough
  • [08:39:59] <cverster> Scarborough
  • [08:40:01] <cverster> where is that
  • [08:40:13] <Vaizki> on the Cape
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  • [08:40:36] <Vaizki> east coast of the cape peninsula
  • [08:40:45] <Vaizki> argh west coast sorry
  • [08:41:24] <cverster> I love the west coast, more untouched than the east coast
  • [08:41:28] <cverster> I live close to Cape Town
  • [08:41:47] <Vaizki> http://www.villagehomes.co.za/wp-content/gallery/scarborough/1-Scarborough-from-above.jpg
  • [08:41:57] <Vaizki> very small and quaint place there
  • [08:42:17] <cverster> nice! West Coast water is COOOOOLD
  • [08:42:48] <Vaizki> hey I live in Finland.. the sea freezes solid here ;)
  • [08:43:22] <Vaizki> which is mainly why I'd like to be in SA during the wintertime and not here
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  • [08:44:25] <cverster> haha :D. ok I hear you. You in Helsinki or where?
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  • [08:53:35] <Vaizki> yea capital area.. Espoo
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  • [09:30:56] <lispghost> hi,all
  • [09:31:16] <lispghost> I connect my BBB to a VGA screen but there is no picture
  • [09:31:45] <lispghost> I use a microHDMI to VGA converter
  • [09:32:21] <lispghost> the monitor can receive signal
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  • [09:34:18] <woglinde> wrong resolution
  • [09:34:33] <av500> or wrong converter
  • [09:34:45] <av500> it needs to be an active one with a separate power supply
  • [09:34:56] <woglinde> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#HDMI_Adapters
  • [09:40:04] <lispghost> but after I boot my BBB,the screen can show a penguin icon
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  • [09:40:38] <KotH> salut greek guy!
  • [09:40:51] <panto> hi mortal enemy!
  • [09:41:05] <das__> KotH is german ?
  • [09:41:11] <panto> Turk
  • [09:41:21] <das__> is it worse atm ?
  • [09:42:17] <lispghost> after a while the monitor show nothing
  • [09:49:11] <mrpackethead> KotH is not human. hes swiss
  • [09:50:03] <woglinde> lispghost sounds like wrong resolution in xorg
  • [09:50:21] <lispghost> woglinde, how to config resolution
  • [09:51:41] <lispghost> I add optargs=video=HDMI-A-1:1920x1080@24
  • [09:51:50] <lispghost> woglinde, is this right
  • [09:51:51] <lispghost> ?
  • [09:54:20] <lispghost> woglinde, ??
  • [09:56:07] <KotH> mrpackethead: come on! i'm not a monster just because i eat a little bit more chocolate than you, but do not gain weight,
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  • [09:57:49] <navaati> hi
  • [09:57:53] <KotH> salut
  • [09:58:45] <navaati> does anyone know how to make the kernel reload firmwares from the filesystem ?
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  • [10:00:08] <navaati> i modified one in /lib/firmware but it still continues to use the old one (actually even if i delete the file no error happen, this shit is cached someone in kernel space)
  • [10:00:18] <KotH> reload?
  • [10:00:27] <KotH> you need to reload the driver
  • [10:00:33] <navaati> (my firmware is actually a dtbo)
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  • [10:00:44] <KotH> the driver load (or is supposed to ) load the firmware at load time
  • [10:01:01] <navaati> well, in this case no
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  • [10:01:27] <KotH> uhmm.. dtbo is not firmware ^^'
  • [10:01:57] <navaati> doesn't it uses the kernel's firmware loading mechanism ?
  • [10:02:23] <navaati> (after all, the file goes to /lib/firmware)
  • [10:03:50] <das__> damn ... every week my bought product on Tigal is moved back by another week
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  • [10:06:40] <woglinde> lispghost are you sure your vga monitor can display 1920x1080?
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  • [10:07:11] <lispghost> my monitor`s rotation is 1920x1080
  • [10:07:20] <woglinde> das what did you bought a rpi?
  • [10:08:02] <KotH> woglinde: i'd rather ask whether the hdmi converter can do that resolution
  • [10:08:15] * KotH would doubt that
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  • [10:12:00] <das__> woglinde: nah a screen for the BB
  • [10:12:47] <das__> it's utterly useless therefore I need one
  • [10:12:49] <woglinde> koth hm the one on the circuitco side can
  • [10:13:00] <woglinde> Mode "1920x1080" # vfreq 50.000Hz, hfreq 56.250kHz
  • [10:13:23] <woglinde> hm okay
  • [10:13:29] <woglinde> its no the vga adapter
  • [10:14:03] <woglinde> lispghost try some other resolution
  • [10:14:12] <woglinde> and try read-edid on command line via ssh
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  • [10:16:09] <modmaker> navaati: Disable the loading of the dtbo on the kernel command line, then manually load the correct firmware later.
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  • [10:42:13] <navaati> modmaker: it's not loaded at boot time
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  • [10:43:16] <navaati> i could reboot, but i'm a bit afraid of not being able to reconnect to the bbb again (sometimes it doesn't connect to the network proprerly)
  • [10:43:56] <navaati> (and rebooting each time i modify my overlay is a pain in the ass, too)
  • [10:44:27] <modmaker> navaati: have you waited long enough? I often see the network coming up 60 seconds after boot.
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  • [10:45:27] <modmaker> navaati: afaik you'll have to reboot as you can't unload an overlay (yet).
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  • [10:51:47] <navaati> modmaker: ah ? it seems i can unload overlay by echoing "-n" where n is the slot number into the slots file
  • [10:52:08] <panto> navaati, some capes can unload cleanly
  • [10:52:12] <panto> all the gpio ones for instance
  • [10:52:16] <navaati> seems to work since my device disapears
  • [10:52:34] <panto> there are some patches that will make it work for even more capes (uart/i2c maybe some others)
  • [10:52:48] <panto> but some device drivers just don't handle it correctly
  • [10:53:04] <navaati> the problem is that when i lod it again, it uses the dtbo it had in memory instead of reloading it from the filesystem
  • [10:53:25] <panto> yes, that's the firmware caching
  • [10:53:27] <panto> hmm
  • [10:53:29] <navaati> panto: the device driver is one i'm writing, so the problem is not here
  • [10:53:41] <panto> navaati, nice
  • [10:53:48] <navaati> yeah, i actually want to thrash that caching
  • [10:54:09] <panto> hmm, not an easy thing to do
  • [10:54:17] <panto> I'd just rename the dtbo
  • [10:54:27] <navaati> erf :)
  • [10:54:34] <navaati> aaaaaah, super clever !!!
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  • [10:54:52] <navaati> man, thanks a lot, it was so simple x)
  • [10:55:00] <panto> heh
  • [10:55:31] <exosyst> Hey guys, I've built a poky/dylan image for my BBB and it doesn't boot. I wanted to know if I'm expecting too much?
  • [10:55:45] <panto> what kernel did you use?
  • [10:56:38] <exosyst> panto, me? default for MACHINE := "beaglebone" on dylan which is 3.8.13
  • [10:57:31] <panto> not going to work
  • [10:57:38] <panto> you need to use the beaglebone.org's kernel
  • [10:57:50] <exosyst> I formatted an SD card, created a 16M vfat called boot and an ext3 called rootfs - dumped the MLO, u-boot.img, uImage etc and... nothing :(
  • [10:57:57] <exosyst> panto, Aww you're kidding me?
  • [10:58:12] <exosyst> panto, But that's so badly packaged :(
  • [10:58:15] <panto> what, you though that you could just plop mainline and work?
  • [10:58:30] <panto> *thought
  • [10:58:42] <exosyst> Setting the machine to "beaglebone" worked on the original and I believed it was the same?
  • [10:59:01] <panto> no idea what kind of kernel poky uses
  • [10:59:02] <exosyst> it's default kernel + recipes from meta-ti
  • [10:59:13] <panto> perhaps it would work for the white
  • [10:59:17] <panto> but not for black
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  • [11:00:18] <exosyst> panto, OK fair enough. I'm after a standalone kernel. I have the 3.8 kernel checked out using the patch.sh - how could I generate a patch out of what the process generates?
  • [11:00:53] <exosyst> What i'd like is a pristine 3.8 kernel and a patch of all the stuff that the script does (without understanding the branching and tag harvesting that the script does)
  • [11:02:32] <panto> there's a hidden branch
  • [11:02:36] <exosyst> ideally, i wanna just patch -p1 < beaglebone_black.patch against a pristine kernel and then copy in the am335xx-pm*.bin
  • [11:02:41] <panto> git://github.com/koenkooi/linux.git : branch 3.8-for-panto-rebase
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  • [11:02:57] <exosyst> panto, go on...?
  • [11:03:05] <panto> that's the beagleboard.org's kernel, but as a branch on top of 3.8.13
  • [11:03:23] <panto> it is _not_ a single patch
  • [11:03:31] <panto> it is _alot_ of patches
  • [11:03:47] <exosyst> But I could get a meta-diff together easily?
  • [11:03:56] <panto> sure
  • [11:03:59] <exosyst> panto, or is there a repo of all the patches?
  • [11:04:02] <panto> git diff 3.8.13..HEAD
  • [11:04:16] <panto> that's the repo with all the patches
  • [11:04:17] <exosyst> panto, You magnificent bastard :D
  • [11:04:30] <panto> thanks, I think
  • [11:04:45] <mru> panto: git merge --squash can fix that :)
  • [11:04:53] <panto> heh
  • [11:05:10] <panto> mru, that's just ... bad
  • [11:05:14] <panto> the diff will be huge
  • [11:05:25] <mru> you get a proper, evil vendor patch
  • [11:05:38] <panto> yes, fit for release
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  • [11:05:52] <panto> here's all our stuff; we comply with the GPL...
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  • [11:06:03] <exosyst> so clone, checkout 3.8.13, git diff 3.8.13..HEAD > beaglebone_black.diff, git checkout 3.8.13, and test by patch -p1 < beaglebone_black.diff?
  • [11:06:10] <exosyst> Did i miss anything?
  • [11:06:16] <mru> bonus points if the patch doesn't actually apply
  • [11:06:24] <ynezz> and don't forget to run it throught disindent first
  • [11:06:33] <mru> at the very least, you must keep secret what base tree you used
  • [11:06:39] <panto> mru, +1
  • [11:06:50] <panto> for greater points, forget what the base tree was
  • [11:07:27] <exosyst> The courses we deliver aren't run with a net connection (I know, I know), else I'd be all up for the git clone && ./patch.sh approach
  • [11:08:47] <woglinde> btw. exosyst I think you need meta-beagle https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard
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  • [11:09:23] <exosyst> Would that give bbb support to poky?
  • [11:09:29] <exosyst> woglinde, ^^
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  • [11:09:42] <woglinde> exosyst you can read nor?
  • [11:09:48] <woglinde> so read the README
  • [11:10:49] <exosyst> woglinde, nor reading is a bit too specialist, I'll try the suggested readme cheers.
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  • [11:19:53] <av500> panto: :-P
  • [11:22:49] <KotH> panto: base tree? i got a zip file from my coworker who left the company a couple of years ago
  • [11:23:01] <panto> that's a base zip
  • [11:23:26] <KotH> which cannot be found anymore
  • [11:23:44] <panto> that's the debased zip then
  • [11:23:55] <mru> all your base...
  • [11:24:11] <KotH> are zipped by us
  • [11:24:23] <panto> you have no chance to unzip, make your time
  • [11:25:32] <KotH> HAHAHAHA
  • [11:26:03] <woglinde> zero zip
  • [11:26:16] <panto> for great zustice
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  • [11:33:13] <av500> KotH: thats why we dont allow people to leave the company
  • [11:33:16] <av500> we just zip them
  • [11:34:23] <mru> encase them in carbonite and place them in storage
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  • [11:55:21] <navaati> i'm trying to read from a device using some shitty one
  • [11:55:38] <navaati> -wire-like custom protocol
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  • [11:56:11] <Vaizki> good for you
  • [11:56:21] <navaati> does relying on interrupts and measuring the time elapsed between them seem a sane idea to you guys ?
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  • [11:57:00] <Vaizki> I did that for a 433MHz FM-modulated signal receiver.. but it was on arduino
  • [11:57:05] <panto> navaati, depends
  • [11:57:08] <ynezz> only with sand clock
  • [11:57:09] <panto> on what you're doing
  • [11:57:31] <Vaizki> what kind of resolution do you need?
  • [11:57:36] <panto> if care about precision on the ms range you'd be fine
  • [11:57:39] <panto> *if you
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  • [11:58:39] <navaati> hum, nopem time between interrupts is more between 20 and 80 microsec
  • [11:58:48] <Vaizki> ...
  • [11:59:05] <navaati> unrealistic ?
  • [11:59:15] <panto> you'll get some jitter
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  • [11:59:42] <panto> if you install the irq handler on the real interrupt and not use a threaded one you might get good results
  • [11:59:55] <panto> but you're pushing it
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  • [12:00:09] <navaati> well, a jitter of 10us should be ok
  • [12:00:16] <Vaizki> learn PRU programming or use something else?
  • [12:00:23] <panto> PRU should work fine there
  • [12:00:50] <navaati> panto, this way ? : request_irq(irq, handler, IRQF_TRIGGER_FALLING, dev_name(dev), priv);
  • [12:01:25] <navaati> I had a hard time figuring out this threaded interrupt thing, LDD3 is totally out of date on this subject
  • [12:01:48] <panto> IRQF_NO_THREAD too
  • [12:01:57] <panto> ldd3 is _very_ out of date
  • [12:01:59] <Vaizki> LDD3 needs revising, badly
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  • [12:02:46] <Vaizki> navaati, does this need to be portable across a wide range of platforms?
  • [12:03:05] <KotH> navaati: let me guess, a humidity sensor?
  • [12:03:07] <panto> Vaizki, if you're down to usecs it's not portable by definition
  • [12:03:12] <Vaizki> because if you only need it to run on the BBB then look at the PRUs
  • [12:03:14] <navaati> yeah, i saw this PRU thing. It would actually be The Right Way (r) but 1/ its vastly more complicated and 2/ gpios are actually gpis or gpos, not both
  • [12:03:28] <navaati> Vaizki: dht22 ?
  • [12:03:40] <Vaizki> uff
  • [12:03:42] <panto> navaati, you can reprogram the mux from the PRU
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  • [12:03:50] <KotH> navaati: dht?
  • [12:03:54] <KotH> navaati: not sht?
  • [12:03:56] <panto> for many pins it works
  • [12:04:35] <KotH> navaati: and a gpio is a gpio, you can program it as input, output, open drain and open source
  • [12:04:35] <navaati> KotH: ah ? no, dht, the one from adafruit (from this chinese humdity sensors company)
  • [12:04:46] <KotH> navaati: oh.. ok
  • [12:04:56] <KotH> navaati: should have used an sht, these speak spi and i2c
  • [12:05:28] <navaati> yeah, i know, would have been so easy... but i bought this one before knowing it would be a pain
  • [12:07:26] <Vaizki> dht22 is like a poster boy example of something that is dirt simple with MCUs and painful with linux
  • [12:07:49] <panto> any link to the write protocol?
  • [12:07:50] <panto> *wire
  • [12:07:59] <navaati> Vaizki: oh, swapped you and KotH... well, portability between "things that have gpio and are fast enough" would be nice
  • [12:08:09] <navaati> https://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/DHT22.pdf
  • [12:08:18] <Vaizki> I think there's gnd, +5V and data
  • [12:08:45] <Vaizki> you take data low for a while and then start listening on it
  • [12:09:15] <KotH> Vaizki: i still wouldnt buy it, even when using an mcu
  • [12:09:23] <panto> man, that's painful
  • [12:09:26] <KotH> Vaizki: it's a pita if you have to toggle pins for each bit
  • [12:09:26] <Vaizki> yea I know. but they are cheap.
  • [12:09:31] <navaati> KotH: it's cheap
  • [12:09:32] <Vaizki> :)
  • [12:09:35] <navaati> eheh
  • [12:09:46] <KotH> navaati: ah.. right, you're a student, your time doesnt cost a penny
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  • [12:10:24] <panto> was there a fee on a a stupid simple SPI/I2C interface?
  • [12:10:33] <panto> that's just... bad.
  • [12:10:48] <navaati> where real money costs booze and weed and concerts, that's the thing yeah...
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  • [12:11:20] <navaati> i must admit there was kind of a "challenge" effect here, too
  • [12:11:22] <KotH> panto: it's one of the most stupid interfaces i've seen
  • [12:11:32] <KotH> panto: one that is easy to do in hw, but a major pita in software
  • [12:11:45] <Vaizki> perfect for the pru ;)
  • [12:11:50] <KotH> panto: nothing difficult, just a pita
  • [12:11:51] <Vaizki> I mean.. really
  • [12:11:58] <navaati> Vaizki: yup
  • [12:11:59] <panto> how do you differentiate between hi/lo in the protocol?
  • [12:12:02] <koen> dht22 is supported by linux
  • [12:12:17] <Vaizki> bitbanged gpio driver?
  • [12:12:20] <koen> it's pretty much i2c, but the license cost was too high
  • [12:12:25] <navaati> koen: wtf ?
  • [12:12:52] <navaati> panto: duration of the high state
  • [12:12:57] <panto> koen, doesn't look like i2c to me
  • [12:13:21] <KotH> it isnt i2c like
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  • [12:13:39] <koen> ah crap, I mixed up the numbers
  • [12:13:39] <koen> If you say yes here you get support for the Sensiron SHT10, SHT11,
  • [12:13:40] <koen> SHT15, SHT71, SHT75 humidity and temperature sensors.
  • [12:13:45] <koen> that's the gpio one
  • [12:14:02] <navaati> yeah...
  • [12:14:06] <av500> maybe its i2c with CLK and DATA muxed together over the same line?
  • [12:14:22] <panto> av500, looks like retarded 1wire
  • [12:14:22] <navaati> not even, i guess
  • [12:14:28] <navaati> panto: this
  • [12:14:31] <av500> lets patent that
  • [12:14:36] <Vaizki> navaati, I did something similar to the RPi a year ago, reading RF signals via interrupt line
  • [12:14:37] <koen> here's the dht22 driver as an external module: https://gitorious.org/dht22-driver/dht22-driver/trees/master
  • [12:14:51] <Vaizki> in the end I just gave up and put an atmega there
  • [12:14:58] <Vaizki> and used i2c to chat to the atmega
  • [12:15:01] <panto> yeah, similar to 1-wire's protocol
  • [12:15:42] <panto> oh well, it's easy to do it on the pru
  • [12:16:01] <Vaizki> was it 5ns per instruction on pru?
  • [12:16:06] <panto> yes
  • [12:16:12] <KotH> panto: the dalas 1-wire can be used directly with an uart
  • [12:16:16] <KotH> panto: dht22 cannot
  • [12:16:26] <panto> KotH, that's why I said retarded :)
  • [12:16:33] <biot> is there a way to find out which pins are mapped to a certain kernel device, on a running system?
  • [12:16:42] <biot> i.e. assuming you don't have the source device tree file
  • [12:16:51] <Vaizki> why don't you have it?
  • [12:16:54] <KotH> biot: use your magic crystal ball
  • [12:16:58] <panto> - /sys/kernel/debug/pinmux should work
  • [12:17:55] <navaati> koen: urgh, you just ruined my two last weeks of work with this link, i should have searched the web better x) (not that important, i learned a lot in the way)
  • [12:18:09] <KotH> panto: use /<space> to escape a leading /
  • [12:18:19] <biot> panto: excellent, thanks
  • [12:18:22] <KotH> panto: or just <space>
  • [12:18:36] <av500> /
  • [12:18:40] <KotH> \
  • [12:18:44] <av500> but that puts a space
  • [12:18:48] <Vaizki> biot: you can also take a binary device tree and turn it back into a text version
  • [12:18:58] <av500> or cenvert it to acpi
  • [12:19:01] <av500> convert
  • [12:19:04] <panto> av500, +1
  • [12:19:05] <mru> fex it
  • [12:19:10] <panto> more busywork for us!
  • [12:19:11] <av500> unfex
  • [12:19:15] <av500> defex
  • [12:19:18] <KotH> av500: f?r allf?llige nebenwirkungen, fragen sie ihren arzt oder apotheker
  • [12:19:21] <mru> fedex
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  • [12:20:09] <Vaizki> dtc -I dtb -O dts am335x-boneblack.dtb
  • [12:20:15] <Vaizki> gives me the source..
  • [12:20:39] <panto> Vaizki, or you can just look in /proc/device-tree
  • [12:20:41] <Vaizki> not sure if you have access to the dt blob "in use" via /proc
  • [12:20:43] <Vaizki> ah
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  • [12:21:36] <Vaizki> that was a bit too obvious
  • [12:22:47] <panto> koen, that driver is very optimistic
  • [12:23:02] <panto> and a cpu hog too
  • [12:24:18] <av500> not irq driven?
  • [12:24:40] <panto> not as far as I see
  • [12:24:40] <navaati> aww, yeah, just read it, i wonder how it could even work
  • [12:24:47] <panto> udelay everywhere
  • [12:25:11] <mru> if at first you don't succeed, udelay and try again
  • [12:26:31] <av500> while (gpio_get_value); /* change this dirty code later */
  • [12:26:48] <panto> mainline quality (tm)
  • [12:27:30] <koen> it's a start
  • [12:29:14] <av500> hmm, dht22 and sht15?
  • [12:29:19] <av500> two drivers in one?
  • [12:33:32] <panto> l8r, lunch time
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  • [12:38:16] <das__> "yes, we use cmake but we don't remember why" :(
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  • [12:42:27] <Vaizki> navaati: pru pru pru pru :)
  • [12:43:42] <navaati> Vaizki: actually the main problem with pru is that every f*cking tutorial uses dirty userspace stuff
  • [12:43:54] <Vaizki> hmmh?
  • [12:44:00] <Vaizki> what do you mean?
  • [12:44:07] <navaati> using some strange TI provided libs
  • [12:44:25] <Vaizki> yea well the libs are only for uploading code to the PRU and talking to it
  • [12:44:35] <navaati> well, they programm, controll and react to the pru in userspace
  • [12:45:09] <navaati> s/in/from/
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  • [12:48:01] <Vaizki> yea I guess it's all behind UIO
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  • [12:48:35] <av500> better than GPIO
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  • [12:51:12] <navaati> Vaizki: yeah it is, but what if i want to write a *driver*, and export hwmon attributes ? (moreover, i find it dirty to do this kind of things from userspace, programming a device that can bang all of SoC's memory)
  • [12:51:53] <navaati> (if anyone curious, here is the relevant part of my code... nothing wonderfull https://github.com/navaati/dht22/blob/master/state_machine.c)
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  • [12:52:40] * KotH is curious,but not that curious
  • [12:53:04] <KotH> mrpackethead: network probs?
  • [12:53:06] <av500> code bookmarked for kanging
  • [12:54:47] <KotH> navaati: brace for kanging!
  • [12:55:03] <navaati> av500: eh, i intent to properly release it one day !
  • [12:56:19] <navaati> well, the thing is i cannot test it atm, i'm not at home and i guess the dht22's wire has slipped off the bbb since i get zero interrupts while running the stuff
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  • [13:06:34] <panto> navaati, https://github.com/pantoniou/testpru
  • [13:07:19] <Vaizki> navaati: did you buy the dht22s in the hundreds? :)
  • [13:07:40] <Vaizki> I would just give up, sell them on ebay or something and use a sensor with a reasonable i/f
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  • [13:07:48] <Vaizki> then again my time is not worthless
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  • [13:16:51] <mru> to me it is :)
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  • [13:18:11] <thurgood> heh
  • [13:18:21] <Vaizki> when you're right you're right
  • [13:19:14] <mru> and when I'm wrong I'm also right
  • [13:19:17] <nazrdogan> I want to learn about BBB and bluetooth and gsm/gprs anybody help?
  • [13:19:36] <woglinde> start with linux
  • [13:19:44] <thurgood> that's a big bite... do yu have a starting point?
  • [13:20:06] <woglinde> hm maybee he only needs gpsd and bluez
  • [13:20:18] <woglinde> but I am off now
  • [13:20:22] <thurgood> maybe...
  • [13:20:55] <KotH> nazrdogan: what do you want to acheive?
  • [13:21:06] <woglinde> hm maybe its, I want to become laundrymachine expert, who can hel?
  • [13:21:07] <KotH> nazrdogan: hobby project to learn things or building a product?
  • [13:21:17] <KotH> woglinde: read the manual
  • [13:21:17] <nazrdogan> ?? want to make solar monitoring project
  • [13:21:25] <KotH> ar...
  • [13:21:29] <woglinde> koth no I want to build one
  • [13:21:36] <KotH> nazrdogan: please use I instead of ??
  • [13:21:43] <woglinde> I already read the manual
  • [13:21:45] <KotH> nazrdogan: not everyone has turkish fonts installed
  • [13:21:54] <nazrdogan> ok
  • [13:22:03] <KotH> woglinde: sie m?ssen nur den nippel durch die lasche ziehn.... ;)
  • [13:22:15] <das__> ^ oO
  • [13:22:17] <nazrdogan> I want to connect inverters and beaglebone
  • [13:22:34] <KotH> nazrdogan: hobby or work?
  • [13:22:38] <nazrdogan> work
  • [13:22:50] <nazrdogan> but I m new on embedded
  • [13:22:53] <woglinde> hm solarmonitoring is the new opencv
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  • [13:23:09] <das__> was opencv the new android ?
  • [13:23:18] <av500> no
  • [13:23:20] <av500> it predates it
  • [13:23:42] <das__> so it's distinct hype ?
  • [13:23:44] <woglinde> okay till later
  • [13:23:46] <KotH> nazrdogan: uh.. uhmm...
  • [13:24:07] <KotH> nazrdogan: get a good book on linux basics, get "embedded linux primer" and read read read read
  • [13:24:09] <mru> I want to do solar monitoring using opencv on android
  • [13:24:17] <KotH> nazrdogan: it's not an easy road, and it's quite long too
  • [13:24:22] <mru> can I bitbang it from userspace?
  • [13:24:25] <das__> mru: with data in the cloud ?
  • [13:24:26] <KotH> nazrdogan: you wont be able to get anything quickly
  • [13:24:29] <woglinde> mru only with PRU
  • [13:24:39] <nazrdogan> ok
  • [13:24:40] <mru> pruserspace?
  • [13:24:43] <av500> also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvoGic3eig0
  • [13:24:53] <KotH> nazrdogan: or you can hire me to teach you that stuff :)
  • [13:24:59] <woglinde> hm av500 has a shortcut for it
  • [13:25:02] <nazrdogan> :)
  • [13:25:12] <nazrdogan> maybe we can hire :D
  • [13:25:18] <nazrdogan> where you live
  • [13:25:22] <nazrdogan> ??
  • [13:25:26] <KotH> nazrdogan: switzerland
  • [13:25:41] <KotH> but i plan to go to .tr in sept/oct
  • [13:25:49] <KotH> so i could drop by
  • [13:26:24] <KotH> where in .tr are you? istanbul?
  • [13:26:27] <nazrdogan> no
  • [13:26:30] <nazrdogan> Gaziantep
  • [13:26:46] <KotH> hmm...
  • [13:26:51] <KotH> not really on my way ^^'
  • [13:27:15] <nazrdogan> I want to learn embedded system
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  • [13:27:29] <av500> read read read
  • [13:27:31] <ynezz> I want cold beer
  • [13:27:34] <nazrdogan> where I start?
  • [13:27:41] <KotH> nazrdogan: do you know linux?
  • [13:27:42] <mru> I want a pony
  • [13:27:46] <av500> [15:24:07] <KotH> nazrdogan: get a good book on linux basics, get "embedded linux primer" and read read read read
  • [13:27:47] <ynezz> nazrdogan: on page 1
  • [13:27:48] <nazrdogan> little bit
  • [13:27:50] <av500> start anywhere
  • [13:27:54] <av500> it does not really matter
  • [13:27:58] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/210
  • [13:28:01] <nazrdogan> ?? have arduino and something
  • [13:28:22] <ynezz> we love something
  • [13:28:29] <av500> since you dont know the forest from the trees, it does not matter which tree you dont know it from
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  • [13:28:45] <KotH> nazrdogan: first step: install linux on your computer. but not ubuntu. something where you need to know what you are doing, like debian, gentoo or arch
  • [13:28:55] <KotH> nazrdogan: work with it a couple of days,
  • [13:28:56] <Vaizki> arch! arch!
  • [13:29:04] <av500> distro flamewar
  • [13:29:08] <av500> our work here is done
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  • [13:29:11] <Vaizki> :)
  • [13:29:14] <ynezz> popcorn?
  • [13:29:20] <KotH> chocolate?
  • [13:29:21] <mru> our turk here is done
  • [13:29:24] <av500> nazrdogan: also, dont listen to what people tell you on IRC
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  • [13:29:46] <KotH> nazrdogan: when you got your linux basics, read the embedded linux primer
  • [13:29:56] <KotH> nazrdogan: then get a bbb and start messing with it
  • [13:30:03] <mru> then rebuild your distro from scratch with clang
  • [13:30:12] <thurgood> yeah, need to weed out the trolls sometimes, but some of the trolls can teach you a lot if it suits them to stop being /funny/
  • [13:30:13] <KotH> nazrdogan: and in a year or two, you'll be a embedded linux expert
  • [13:30:31] <mru> s/year/decade/
  • [13:30:41] <av500> it takes the usual 10000h
  • [13:30:46] <av500> like for anything else
  • [13:30:46] <KotH> nazrdogan: oh.. and do not trust anything panto says! he is a greek! ;-)
  • [13:31:07] * av500 helps panto and stabs KotH in the back
  • [13:31:13] <KotH> damn serbs!
  • [13:31:15] <mru> a turk, a greek, and a sandworm walk into an irc channel...
  • [13:32:04] <KotH> nazrdogan: also a good idea is to come to ELCE. listen to presentations, talk to people, meet the serb, the greek and me, and learn something new :)
  • [13:32:25] <KotH> nazrdogan: and if you are lucky, you can even meet the sandworm ;)
  • [13:32:51] <navaati> KotH: you'll be at ELCE in october ?
  • [13:32:55] <das__> I wonder what taste it has
  • [13:33:03] <KotH> navaati: most likely
  • [13:33:20] <KotH> navaati: just need to get my comp to pay for it. but as my presentation was accepted...
  • [13:33:36] <av500> whats it about?
  • [13:33:37] <mru> KotH: oh, so it was *you* who stole my slot
  • [13:33:41] <av500> yes
  • [13:33:44] <KotH> juup
  • [13:33:46] <KotH> and i'm proud of it
  • [13:33:58] * mru plots revenge
  • [13:34:08] <KotH> you will not get my chocolate!
  • [13:34:12] <KotH> at least not all of it ;)
  • [13:39:38] <navaati> panto: which file do i start with ?
  • [13:40:51] <Vaizki> is revenge plotted on a polar or logarithmic coordinate system?
  • [13:41:12] <mru> clearly polar
  • [13:41:22] <das__> bipolar even
  • [13:41:27] <mru> revenge is best served cold, and the polar regions are cold
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  • [14:20:28] <das__> god I'm so bored ... haven't written a single C line in 2 months apart from patches ...
  • [14:20:48] <das__> integrating stuff is so boring
  • [14:21:01] <mru> differentiating is much more fun
  • [14:21:20] <mru> I have not written any C for quite a while either
  • [14:21:23] <mru> it's been all asm
  • [14:22:11] <das__> at least it's something ... wrote some shell to automate stuff and that's it :(
  • [14:23:00] <das__> I keep solving "No such file or directory" errors
  • [14:23:30] <mru> rm -rf ${prefix}/*
  • [14:23:36] <mru> when ${prefix} is unset
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  • [14:24:18] <das__> Sir ! It builds !
  • [14:24:30] <das__> Does it run ?
  • [14:24:33] <das__> Who cares ?
  • [14:24:41] <mru> ship it!
  • [14:25:56] <LetoThe2nd> do we have a preempt-rt kernel somewhere in/near the "official" BBB recipes?
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  • [14:32:31] <av500> LetoThe2nd: real linux time?
  • [14:32:34] <jackmitchell> LetoThe2nd: there is a 3.8-rt branch in the kernel github, I don't know anything about it though
  • [14:34:19] <LetoThe2nd> av500: kind of
  • [14:34:22] <LetoThe2nd> jackmitchell: hm ok
  • [14:35:05] <jackmitchell> LetoThe2nd: I'm pretty sure the lack of talk about it indicates 'here be dragons'
  • [14:35:56] <LetoThe2nd> jackmitchell: yeah.
  • [14:36:41] <LetoThe2nd> i'll just drop that idea then, was just for making a demonstration maybe a little more pretty. but OTOH i'm just not gonna show a loaded board then :)
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  • [14:47:44] <das__> does the company sysgo ring a bell here ?
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  • [14:51:39] <LetoThe2nd> we do have a bell here?
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  • [14:52:32] <mru> let's see:
  • [14:52:51] <mru> nope, something ate the ^G
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  • [14:53:04] <A_Bell> Bing
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  • [14:54:22] <mru> ah, the machine that goes bing
  • [14:54:30] <Crofton|work> koen, where are you headed via Dubai
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  • [14:54:59] <mru> some jihad training camp, no doubt
  • [14:55:03] <mru> hence the need for a beard
  • [14:55:22] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [14:55:46] <Crofton|work> you are going to gget us in trouble with Prism!
  • [14:57:18] <av500> das__: yes
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  • [15:03:06] <nazrdogan> any body use bt wifi and gsm with BBB?
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  • [15:24:33] <koen> Crofton|work: malaysia
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  • [15:24:42] <Crofton|work> fun or work?
  • [15:25:38] <koen> honeymoon
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  • [15:28:05] <ogra_> oh, congrats
  • [15:28:20] <koen> thanks
  • [15:28:25] <koen> still a few week away, though
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  • [15:57:21] <Crofton|work> finally
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  • [15:57:42] <Crofton|work> :)
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  • [16:01:29] <mranostay> koen: get fitted for the ball and chain?
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  • [16:06:40] <emeb> whoa - someone getting ready to put on the tux and eat the cake?
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  • [16:10:07] <mranostay> emeb: yeah koen is now all grown up and such
  • [16:11:38] <ka6sox> koen shaves?
  • [16:12:04] <ka6sox> oh wait a minute..thats mranostay I meant...
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  • [16:23:08] <biot> is there a way to find out which BB black board revision you have? haven't spotted it on the silkscreen...
  • [16:24:16] <panto> biot, there's a baseboard EEPROM
  • [16:24:29] <SoCo_cpp_> the BB whites used to have it on a sticker on the Ethernet plug, along with the MAC, which was really helpful.
  • [16:24:44] <panto> and the blacks have it too
  • [16:24:57] <SoCo_cpp_> my black didn't have a sticker.
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  • [16:32:54] <mranostay> panto: you racist
  • [16:33:03] <mru> my black has a sticker on the ethernet jack
  • [16:33:14] <mranostay> so does both of mine
  • [16:33:57] <biot> not here
  • [16:34:49] <mranostay> likely A5 anyway
  • [16:35:03] <mranostay> that is the first one that shipped
  • [16:35:11] <biot> ah right
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  • [17:57:36] <CareBear\> das__ : I also know sysgo
  • [17:58:21] <uuux> hi, is there any way to emulate dtr/cts pins on the BBB on the uart?
  • [17:58:56] <mranostay> er why would you want too?
  • [17:59:18] <mranostay> it is a FTDI UART
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  • [17:59:39] <mranostay> any reason for hardware flow control ever?
  • [17:59:46] <uuux> I don't have a ftdi breakout board and when I try to upload some code to a razor imu, I get the following error: avrdude: stk500_getsync(): not in sync: resp=0x0d
  • [18:00:32] <panto> mranostay, there used to be
  • [18:00:41] <uuux> (it is a somewhat messy setup, I use socat to bridge the serial port on my main computer)
  • [18:00:42] <panto> when people used uarts for high speed data transfer
  • [18:00:54] <panto> uuux, why not use a different uart?
  • [18:01:16] <panto> I'm not sure if one of the available ones route the hardware flow control signals though
  • [18:01:48] <mranostay> panto: i'll bet no
  • [18:01:51] <m_billybob> serial debug does i think
  • [18:01:55] <uuux> You mean using a second uart for dtr?
  • [18:02:06] <mranostay> m_billybob: don't thinkg it does
  • [18:02:27] <panto> uuux, no, using another uart
  • [18:02:33] <panto> bb has about 5
  • [18:02:43] <uuux> panto, but aren't they all identical?
  • [18:02:56] <m_billybob> no ttyO0 has dts etc
  • [18:03:05] <m_billybob> errr
  • [18:03:15] <m_billybob> sorry not an EE but does have hardware control pins
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  • [18:04:07] <mranostay> m_billybob: everyone is a EE on the internet
  • [18:04:22] <uuux> Isn't uart0 used by default by the BB?
  • [18:04:46] <m_billybob> uuux it can be used as a normal tty once booted
  • [18:04:54] <m_billybob> ive used it assuch
  • [18:05:00] <uuux> oh cool
  • [18:05:24] <uuux> I'll try it out, thanks
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  • [18:05:30] <m_billybob> i mean it will give you the uboot / kernel boot log too
  • [18:05:45] <m_billybob> when booting but once done yeah all yours to do with as you like pretty much i think
  • [18:06:06] <m_billybob> uuux you may need to setup a line in inittab
  • [18:06:24] <m_billybob> not sure if angstrom is setup that way by default.
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  • [18:08:35] <uuux> inittab On angstrom it seems to have been replaced by systemd (from what I've just read)
  • [18:08:57] <m_billybob> uuux yeah sorry i can not offer any advice there. i run debian on my bbb
  • [18:09:12] <djlewis> somehow EE makes me think of industrial electrical engineering not electronics in general.
  • [18:09:21] <uuux> m_billybob, what kind of program should I add?
  • [18:10:18] <m_billybob> uuux well i just used cmd line stuffs such as echo test > /dev ttyO0 and what not
  • [18:11:03] <m_billybob> echo'd a few cmd line commands to the terminal, was considering using it as a terminal logger, but im kind of new to embedded linux too, so might be better to ask someone else
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  • [18:11:34] <m_billybob> ive since found this um, cool new technology in puTTY called "logging" lol
  • [18:11:45] <m_billybob> ( yeah not so new but . . )
  • [18:13:19] <m_billybob> maybe minnicom ?
  • [18:13:26] <m_billybob> but im not sure
  • [18:17:08] <m_billybob> anyhow how rude of me. good morning everyone.
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  • [18:26:42] <cory__> I am trying to use a beaglebone Black running android. I want to get bluetooth of the unit. has anyone done this successfully through a USB dongle?
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  • [18:43:23] <uuux> m_billybob, I looked at uart0 and it does not provide cts/dtr
  • [18:44:04] <uuux> according to the schematic, pins 2, 3 and 6 are not linked to anything
  • [18:44:24] <uuux> there goes my drems of getting by without an ftdi breakout board :)
  • [18:44:28] <uuux> +a
  • [18:44:36] <CareBear\> cory__ : I'm pretty sure someone has used bluetooth on an android system
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  • [18:46:58] <uuux> so has any one been able to update the firmware of a razor imu without using an ftdi breakout board?
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  • [18:53:11] <pashacalif> Can anyone point me how to develop GUI on beaglebone, please?
  • [18:54:00] <woglinde> pashacalif first you should sure which language
  • [18:54:07] <woglinde> +be
  • [18:54:17] <mru> french?
  • [18:54:19] <pashacalif> OK. C/C++
  • [18:54:28] <mru> c or c++?
  • [18:54:31] <woglinde> I would use qt than
  • [18:54:37] <pashacalif> :-) English/Russian
  • [18:56:00] <pashacalif> HOe to use QT? I do not have any understanding how to install and use. A lot of advices, but nothig, I can use
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  • [19:13:51] <woglinde> pashacalif ssh to console and than opkg update and opkg list | grep qt
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  • [19:14:17] <woglinde> pashacalif btw. you can programm with qt-creator on your host and than crosscompile it for your target
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  • [19:15:06] <brimestone> hey guys.. how can i install snmpset on BBB running Angstrom 3.8.13
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  • [19:18:52] <rob_w_> brimestone, i think net-snmp is tha package you want
  • [19:19:31] <brimestone> i tried it.. not seem to be working.. getting [Error: Timeout] all the time
  • [19:20:06] <rob_w_> well so you think the package is broken ?
  • [19:20:20] <rob_w_> i guess your not hitting the right target ..
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  • [19:22:09] <brimestone> could be..
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  • [19:23:20] <brimestone> ohhh wait..
  • [19:23:26] <brimestone> i got confused with this https://github.com/calmh/node-snmp-native
  • [19:23:34] <brimestone> the net-snmp i havn't tried
  • [19:23:50] <rob_w_> works for me ..
  • [19:23:59] <brimestone> so install via opkg?
  • [19:24:08] <rob_w_> yeah
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  • [19:25:14] <brimestone> hmmm Unknown package 'net-snmp'.
  • [19:25:51] <rob_w_> do you ahve the toolchain setup ?
  • [19:26:07] <brimestone> hmmm noob here.. don't know what toolchain
  • [19:26:14] <rob_w_> ../meta-oe/recipes-extended/net-snmp/
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  • [19:26:44] <rob_w_> someone point him to the web repos .. pls
  • [19:26:52] <brimestone> :)
  • [19:27:46] <rob_w_> does opkg update do anything to you ?
  • [19:28:11] <brimestone> alway run update each time i try to install a package
  • [19:29:08] <brimestone> hmm i have not done anything on the toolchain front..
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  • [19:29:40] <rob_w_> i am rolling my own stuff, sorry dunno if that net-snmp is in the web repos
  • [19:30:12] <brimestone> did you have to download net-snmp directly? and compiled it maybe?
  • [19:30:12] <woglinde> opkg list | grep snmp
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  • [19:30:47] <brimestone> returned nothing
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  • [19:49:15] <johny_> hi there, I was wondering if someone can guide me as to which beagleboard i should get, i'm trying to interface with a nor chip that needs 50 gpio inputs
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  • [19:50:08] <nomel> so, is the power button on the bbb supposed to shutdown the system?
  • [19:50:11] <nomel> if you just tap it?
  • [19:50:12] <dm8tbr> why are you trying to drive flash from gpio?
  • [19:50:30] <dm8tbr> nomel: I think it's a reset button
  • [19:50:47] <nomel> dm8tbr: there's a reset button for reset :P
  • [19:51:00] * dm8tbr shrugs
  • [19:51:08] <nomel> well, holding down the power button for 8 seconds resets, so you're correct
  • [19:51:21] <nomel> but, i see in the pmic datasheet that you can monitor the power button state
  • [19:51:43] <nomel> so, i'm wondering if it's just temporary that the power button doesn't shutdown.
  • [19:51:58] <nomel> err...if it's a feater that someone will decide to add to the demo image at some point.
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  • [19:54:08] <mranostay> panto: http://www.despair.com/get-off-my-lawn.html
  • [19:56:42] <nomel> feater = feature, on monday mornings
  • [19:56:55] <dm8tbr> nomel: if it's hooked up to the pmic, then yeah could be that
  • [19:57:41] <nomel> found a post from gerald saying an interrupt from the pmic is detected, and you could use it to shutdown the board.
  • [19:58:04] <nomel> and, apparently, some images do shutdown when you hit the power button...so, i guess my fear of random-implementation was correct :)
  • [19:58:42] <nomel> err...rational. i guess fear is never "correct".
  • [19:58:42] <dm8tbr> I suspect it just generates a power button event and not all userspace initiates shutdown upon that
  • [19:58:53] <nomel> yeah.
  • [19:59:07] <dm8tbr> which is mostly a configuration issue
  • [19:59:10] <nomel> now i'm trying to find if i can squeeze my own command into shutdown
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  • [20:04:45] <brimestone> YikeS!. net-snmp make install process thats forever
  • [20:04:52] <brimestone> Takes***
  • [20:06:09] <nomel> ok, I think I found it. Looks like systemd handles the shutdown event from the power button, and you can specify the actions like described here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_Management
  • [20:06:33] <nomel> Linux, the only os that requires a constant internet connection for any sort of productivity. :D
  • [20:08:36] <nomel> i don't get why there's so much resistance against systemd. so far it seems pretty rad. i have a big dependent bootup sequence too.
  • [20:09:08] <mru> it's lennartware
  • [20:09:15] <mranostay> heh
  • [20:09:31] <mranostay> systemd is horrible
  • [20:09:36] <johny_> dm8tbr: I'm trying to read from it
  • [20:09:38] <nomel> why do people think that though?
  • [20:09:39] <Vaizki> it's the bomb
  • [20:09:44] <Vaizki> some people like bombs
  • [20:09:48] <nomel> i see people saying it's not appropriate for webservers and stuff
  • [20:09:52] <nomel> why not?
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  • [20:09:56] <mranostay> KotH for sure does
  • [20:10:00] <mru> it's not appropriate, end of story
  • [20:10:04] <nomel> haha
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  • [20:10:45] <nomel> i see. mru, you've changed my view of systemd.
  • [20:10:58] <nomel> thank you for correcting my wrong-think.
  • [20:11:10] <Vaizki> he aims to please
  • [20:11:17] <mru> the problem is that it's little more than a quick hack
  • [20:11:18] <Vaizki> so watch out
  • [20:11:55] <mru> from someone who lacks the adequate background knowledge
  • [20:11:57] <nomel> i don't see what's hacky about it.
  • [20:12:34] <mru> well, for one thing it keeps changing incompatibly every month or two
  • [20:12:44] <mru> that alone is a sign that it's not ready for primetime
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  • [20:12:50] <mru> even if maybe some day it could be
  • [20:12:53] <nomel> wasn't aware of that.
  • [20:13:49] <mru> it's a knee-jerk reaction to lennart's feeling of disgust that things exist that are older than him
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  • [20:14:47] <nomel> what's a sane alternative though?
  • [20:14:54] <Vaizki> nomel: here is one view.. http://monolight.cc/2011/05/the-systemd-fallacy/
  • [20:14:55] <nomel> that gives boot times anywhere near systemd's?
  • [20:14:56] <mru> classic init
  • [20:15:00] <mranostay> mru: isn't that everything? :P
  • [20:15:15] <mru> why are people so hung up on boot time?
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  • [20:15:34] <woglinde> if you ask why journald mmaping some stuff 48 times and may a problem on hosts with lower mem, you only get as answer "you do not know about mmap"
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  • [20:16:07] <woglinde> gm mrpackethead
  • [20:16:15] <woglinde> ah only reconnect
  • [20:16:19] <woglinde> to early
  • [20:16:29] <mru> lennart refuses to acknowledge that some people have requirements vastly different from his
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  • [20:17:11] <woglinde> sure they than ask for comparsion that your solution eats lower mem
  • [20:17:27] <woglinde> and when you give them the comparsion they dont say something
  • [20:17:41] * mranostay would like to see mru and lennart at the same table
  • [20:17:56] <woglinde> mranostay hm I bet mru can drink more
  • [20:17:58] <mru> I've met him
  • [20:18:00] <nomel> "communication via D-Bus"...that's shitty. d-bus is a joke.
  • [20:18:05] <mru> indeed it is
  • [20:18:23] <mru> and even if it were not, it's senseless to put all that stuff into init
  • [20:18:31] <woglinde> nomel hm I like it but not in kernel
  • [20:19:03] <mru> the high-level concept is completely insane
  • [20:19:11] <mru> the implementation is a godawful hack
  • [20:20:05] <nomel> all i know is that everything i've done with systemd has been a breeze. :-\
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  • [20:20:26] <mru> that's until you try to do something lennart doesn't consider important
  • [20:20:53] <mru> deviate even slightly from the beaten desktop path and you hit a brick wall
  • [20:21:01] <panto> mru, +1
  • [20:21:14] <nomel> i guess my needs are simple :)
  • [20:21:29] <nomel> get processes going when services the process uses are ready.
  • [20:22:28] <panto> that is lennart approved
  • [20:22:46] <mru> openrc does that too
  • [20:22:56] <nomel> wha? you can run arbitrary commands.
  • [20:23:45] <mru> the old-style /etc/rc.X/Syy.foo scripts rh used to have were disgusting
  • [20:23:50] <mru> no proper dependencies etc
  • [20:24:10] <mru> but that can be fixed without throwing _everything_
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  • [20:26:05] <KotH> mru: rh's scripts are still disgusting...actually most "modern" init scripts are :-(
  • [20:26:42] <mru> bsd and slackware use the simple approach
  • [20:27:26] <KotH> you know, 14 years ago, i swtiched from suse to debian because i couldnt understand suses init scripts and debians were so simple and easy
  • [20:27:45] <KotH> today, most of debians init scripts are worse than those from suse 14y ago
  • [20:28:17] <mru> bsd-style is simple but hard to maintain in any automated way
  • [20:28:29] <KotH> juup
  • [20:28:40] <KotH> i can understand some of the complexity the init scripts have
  • [20:28:47] <KotH> but some are just complex for complexities sake
  • [20:28:55] <mru> have you looked at openrc?
  • [20:28:59] <KotH> mental masturbation of some poor soul
  • [20:29:00] <KotH> not yet
  • [20:29:24] <mru> it's fairly simple
  • [20:29:30] <mru> yet flexible
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  • [20:33:40] <KotH> hmm...
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  • [20:35:39] <brimestone> has anyone used snmp-native by calmh??
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  • [20:40:50] <woglinde> ?
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  • [20:44:42] <brimestone> its a module for Node.js for snmp?
  • [20:44:47] <brimestone> can't seem to make it work..
  • [20:45:00] <KotH> i think your problem started with node.js
  • [20:45:12] <brimestone> im trying to have my BBB with a APC AP7900 Reboot PDU
  • [20:46:00] <mru> seems a bit overkill for a beagle
  • [20:46:07] <brimestone> i eventually install net-snmp on my BBB and it works great.. but i thought i would like to install the Node library..
  • [20:46:25] <brimestone> what do you mean overkill?
  • [20:46:36] <mru> it's rated 1440 VA
  • [20:46:57] <brimestone> ohh.. the control the AP7900 Relay
  • [20:47:03] <brimestone> not to power the Beagle
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  • [20:50:41] <brimestone> hmmm i just i can run system call from node
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  • [21:01:22] <Vaizki> it's weird how people flock to this channel with completely un-#beagle questions
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  • [21:01:48] <panto> Vaizki, http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/146
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  • [21:02:28] <mru> people have the misguided notion that doing $totally_standard_stuff on the beagle is somehow special and requires special instructions
  • [21:02:53] <Vaizki> well off/on topic sure there's very little actual beagling or beaglification going on but why come and ask the questions here.. there must be better channels
  • [21:03:11] <panto> convenient target
  • [21:03:31] <mru> they ask here because they're using a beagle
  • [21:03:32] <Vaizki> yea but it's not like this is the best place for node.js advice.. :)
  • [21:03:38] <SpeedEvil> better channels can be retarded.
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  • [21:03:45] <Vaizki> can be?
  • [21:03:49] <mru> they are unable to extract the relevant parts of their situation
  • [21:03:55] <panto> SpeedEvil, retarded channels can be better
  • [21:04:13] <Vaizki> I am in a Volvo and lost in Arizona, now what's the area code for Sweden...
  • [21:04:30] <SpeedEvil> have you tried asking a simple 'idiotic' question on ##Linux
  • [21:04:32] <Vaizki> oops I mean China
  • [21:04:35] <KotH> mru: http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/
  • [21:04:36] <emeb> lost in Arizona?
  • [21:04:49] <panto> Arizona dream?
  • [21:04:51] <Vaizki> emeb: just making a car analogy you know
  • [21:04:52] <emeb> how do you get lost here?
  • [21:05:06] <Vaizki> I'm no good with sports analogy spinning
  • [21:05:15] <KotH> emeb: it's not kansas anymore
  • [21:05:22] <emeb> it never was
  • [21:05:44] <mru> dorothy got lost in kansas
  • [21:05:49] <mru> or she simply lost kansas
  • [21:06:37] <woglinde> koth I posted it yesterday already
  • [21:06:41] <mranostay> lost in arizona? don't you just die of exposure?
  • [21:06:50] <emeb> depends on what part
  • [21:06:54] <emeb> you might also bake
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  • [21:07:05] <mru> that's a form of exposure
  • [21:07:05] <KotH> woglinde: damn! you take all the glory!
  • [21:07:08] <Vaizki> not in a volvo, especially if you call sweden and ask them where the nearest denny's is
  • [21:07:26] <woglinde> koth no going to sleep now
  • [21:07:34] <KotH> woglinde: then sleep well
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  • [21:07:49] <KotH> woglinde: and dream of sweet chocolate and JIHADs!
  • [21:07:54] <emeb> or, you may be attacked by rabid squirrels.
  • [21:08:08] <ds2> is this #beagle_RPG?
  • [21:08:22] <emeb> rocket propelled beagle?
  • [21:08:48] <mranostay> do get i get rescued by beagle with a keg of rum?
  • [21:08:57] <mru> emeb: isn't that against the export rules?
  • [21:09:05] <nomel> hrmm, so HandlePowerKey in /etc/systemd/logind.conf doesn't seem to do anything.
  • [21:09:14] <emeb> mru: some kind of ITAR thing?
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  • [21:10:47] <nomel> i'm seeing interrupts at /proc/interrupts tps65217, but it doesn't seem they're being used anywhere.
  • [21:11:10] <Vaizki> hmh?
  • [21:11:15] <mru> probably wrong cover sheet on the tps report
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  • [21:11:57] <nomel> crap. i filled out form tps-0984 when it should have been tps-0985
  • [21:15:11] <Vaizki> nomel: you mean that you see the nINT from PMIC but nobody is handling it?
  • [21:16:05] <nomel> Vaizki: i'm not sure. power doesn't go off, and i uncommented the poweroff line in HandlePowerKey in the logind.conf
  • [21:17:45] <Vaizki> well power doesn't go off unless SoC pulls down PWR_EN
  • [21:18:03] <nomel> well, the interrupt should be initiating a system shutdown
  • [21:18:17] <Vaizki> I guess it should happen in the pm firmware.. not sure
  • [21:18:19] <nomel> which will then pull down pwr_en
  • [21:18:23] <Vaizki> yea
  • [21:18:39] <Vaizki> I'm waiting for a new PM firmware with sleep support ;)
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  • [21:20:09] <dnil> Doesn't the interrupt need to trigger a user-space activity to initiate a shutdown? If so, you could run strace of whatever binary that should be listening to see if the kernel interface is working
  • [21:21:37] <Vaizki> I think it should kick the Lennart to do something about shutdown
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  • [21:22:15] <dnil> Right, so run strace -p `pidof Lennart` ...
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  • [21:23:25] <dnil> Either "Lennart" is not made aware from the kernel or he is not paying attention ... :-)
  • [21:23:56] <Vaizki> he's too busy with the userspace kernel project I guess
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  • [21:28:15] <Vaizki> https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard/blob/master/common-bsp/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-mainline-3.8/pmic/0001-tps65217-Enable-KEY_POWER-press-on-AC-loss-PWR_BUT.patch
  • [21:28:31] <Vaizki> looks like it's being worked on
  • [21:29:03] <Vaizki> by the usual suspects...
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  • [21:39:01] <Vaizki> since we're way too much on topic.. any new spiffy RRD type lightweight db / plotter stuff come out in the last 5 years or so? :)
  • [21:39:27] <Vaizki> I need to keep track of some sensor values that the BBB is reading
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  • [21:41:31] <mru> Vaizki: what's wrong with rrd?
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  • [21:46:14] <Vaizki> nothing per se.. I would like to maybe control normalization better.. maybe it has new features for that..
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  • [21:46:43] <Vaizki> for example I want to store min, max and avg values for many time resolutions
  • [21:47:25] <Vaizki> if I insert a 0 and a 100 successively, if they don't hit the time slots exactly I will end up with something like 20,80 or even 50,50 in 2 slots
  • [21:49:11] <panto> g'night
  • [21:49:17] <Vaizki> of course I could just make absolutely sure my data points are inserted on a time boundary
  • [21:49:21] <Vaizki> nite
  • [21:49:55] <ds2> you need patches to support that
  • [21:50:06] <Vaizki> really?
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  • [21:51:39] <ds2> yes
  • [21:51:42] <Vaizki> so rrd is still not capable of storing exact values.. even if I lie to it that I made my measurement at exactly 15 minute intervals
  • [21:52:08] <Vaizki> instead of using the 'now' which of course will always lead to normalization between slots
  • [21:56:39] <Vaizki> so rrdtool still has a fatal flaw for my use case.. any alternatives?
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  • [22:00:30] <Vaizki> "OpenTSDB is a distributed, scalable Time Series Database (TSDB) written on top of HBase."
  • [22:00:36] <Vaizki> bzzzt.. skip :D
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  • [22:07:49] <Vaizki> ds2: I can't find those patches though...
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  • [22:25:15] <nomel> Vaizki: nice find with the tps patch!
  • [22:25:42] <nomel> uio -> shutdown script it is.
  • [22:26:36] <nomel> now i'm hoping there's a generic uio handler that takes the irq number as a parameter that I can use as a kernel module.
  • [22:27:31] <Vaizki> why not use the patch I found?
  • [22:29:12] <ds2> Vaizki: you found it?
  • [22:29:15] <ds2> or?
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  • [22:29:44] <Vaizki> no I ment the patches to pmic driver to emit power key input event when BBB power button is pressed
  • [22:29:50] <Vaizki> the mrtg patches I didn't find
  • [22:29:54] <Vaizki> oops rrdtool
  • [22:31:32] <Vaizki> ds2: if you know where the patches are.. appreciated.. now I need to sleep&
  • [22:31:39] <Vaizki> but I'll check the logs in the morning
  • [22:31:42] <ds2> I saw them before
  • [22:31:48] <ds2> was searching for other stuff
  • [22:32:12] <ds2> I am in the middle of something else otherwise, I can look for them. But I do remember patchesing being needed to do a shutdown and it is on my list of stuff to port for my board.
  • [22:32:53] <Vaizki> ah ok so not RRDTool patches.. :) I found the poweroff partch already
  • [22:32:56] <Vaizki> now sleepy time&
  • [22:33:04] <ds2> ah ok
  • [22:33:17] <nomel> Vaizki: because, i'm limited to the demo image.
  • [22:33:27] <nomel> for maintenance purposes, in case i ever die.
  • [22:33:42] <nomel> :)
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  • [22:48:53] <nomel> wow. doesn't look like anyone has made a generic uio interrupt handling kernel module that takes the irq as a parameter. :-|
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  • [22:52:52] <nomel> i'm absolutely dreading that they didn't claim the interrupt as "shared".
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  • [23:03:39] <nomel> and, of course, they're not shared.
  • [23:03:53] <nomel> so, they claim and do nothing with the interrupt, and don't share it, so nothing else can use the interrupt. :D
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  • [23:12:56] <funkster> is there a way i can install wheezy on emmc while running the default angstrom on the emmc? i dont have a microsd card at moment
  • [23:13:14] <mranostay> heh
  • [23:13:27] <funkster> im on BBB
  • [23:13:35] <mranostay> how cheap are the noobs these days
  • [23:13:40] <mranostay> get a microSD card
  • [23:13:55] <funkster> i said i dont have one at the MOMENT
  • [23:14:02] <mranostay> then get one
  • [23:14:16] <funkster> at the MOMENT means i will have one, as i already ordered it..
  • [23:14:21] <nomel> funkster: network boot :D
  • [23:14:39] <mranostay> nomel: don't encourage him/her
  • [23:14:43] <mranostay> :)
  • [23:14:57] <funkster> is mranostay always this annoying?
  • [23:15:16] <funkster> nomel: yeah. that is an option! lemme look into that
  • [23:16:07] <mru> is funkster always this impatient?
  • [23:16:17] <nomel> funkster: also, there's a usb port if you have a usb flash drive (not sure how well that will work though)
  • [23:16:51] <funkster> nomel: yeah i have usb flash drive currently looking into how i can boot off that then install on emmc.
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  • [23:17:30] * nomel whispers to funkster that there are a bunch of unimaginative trolls in here.
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  • [23:18:02] <funkster> nomel: yeah i can see that... thanks for sharing and thanks for giving me viable options to what i'd like to achieve.
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  • [23:19:04] <brimestone> hey guys.. i can't seem to ssh into my BBB ( USB or Ethernet )?
  • [23:19:16] * mranostay needs to drink
  • [23:19:31] <brimestone> USB0 is blinking in heartbeat pattern ( just faster than normal )
  • [23:19:57] <nomel> brimestone: sometimes the board gets dirty. throw it in the wash for the rinse cycle. use the "heat dry" option if you have it.
  • [23:19:58] <mranostay> heart attack?
  • [23:20:06] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/171
  • [23:20:55] <brimestone> hehe? seriously? i can ping on both (USB and Ether) but no ssh
  • [23:21:17] <mru> mranostay: which is worse, being quoted on that site or having quotes about you on it?
  • [23:21:20] <funkster> telnet x.x.x.x 22
  • [23:21:32] <funkster> see if ports open to begin with.
  • [23:21:33] <nomel> yeah man. if that doesn't work, try steal wool.
  • [23:21:47] <nomel> make sure it's powered while you're washing though, so you can tell if you're cleaning it properly.
  • [23:21:59] <mru> now who's a troll?
  • [23:22:10] <mranostay> mru: latter i think
  • [23:22:24] <mranostay> alan_o had a good one as well
  • [23:22:31] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/139
  • [23:22:39] <brimestone> well 22,80,443,3000,6600 all open.. but nothing
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  • [23:22:52] <brimestone> can't seem to get the login prompt
  • [23:23:38] <funkster> does telnet give you a response? usually ssh version
  • [23:23:46] <brimestone> none..
  • [23:23:59] <brimestone> the only thing i did today was to install net-snmp
  • [23:24:12] <funkster> id say next step it to boot with monitor hooked up to see whats going on
  • [23:24:24] <nomel> brimestone: serial console if all else fails.
  • [23:24:35] <brimestone> :( dont have that stupid micro hdmi
  • [23:24:46] <funkster> im sure you dont have serial cable as well, heh.
  • [23:24:51] <mru> I'd say hook up a serial cable
  • [23:25:03] <brimestone> i have a lot of serial cable.. but connect it where?
  • [23:25:19] <brimestone> J1?
  • [23:25:19] <funkster> its not a serial cabel you are referring to im pretty sure.
  • [23:25:37] <nomel> brimestone: has to be 3.3v serial, not rs232.
  • [23:25:43] <mru> it's a 3.3V serial port
  • [23:25:48] <nomel> brimestone: if you have another beaglebone, you can use that.
  • [23:25:49] <mru> so you need a level shifter
  • [23:26:27] <funkster> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=File:RPI_Serial.png
  • [23:26:34] <mru> or one of those usb-serial things that are alrady 3.3V
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  • [23:27:14] <brimestone> is this normal thing?
  • [23:27:53] <brimestone> like it gets corrumpted or something?
  • [23:28:02] <funkster> if you max'ed you drive space out, this sort of thing happens.
  • [23:28:05] <funkster> just an FYI
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  • [23:28:18] <brimestone> ahhh possibly..
  • [23:28:36] <brimestone> that net-snmp took forever to compile/download
  • [23:29:22] <funkster> if its an microSD, check it in a computer.
  • [23:29:22] <mranostay> yeah a bbb isn't a build system
  • [23:29:42] <mranostay> corrumpted? is that a british thing?
  • [23:29:47] <brimestone> well.. i coundnt get snmp to install.. hense i had to compile
  • [23:30:25] <brimestone> whats the best action to take?
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  • [23:31:32] <funkster> check sd capacity if its an sd, if not.. go buy a mini hdmi. probably have those in local stores
  • [23:31:43] <funkster> you can prob return it as well =P
  • [23:31:54] <brimestone> sd capacity?
  • [23:32:05] <funkster> if its full or not.
  • [23:32:17] <brimestone> i dont have a micro SD in there..
  • [23:32:23] <funkster> then nevermind =D
  • [23:33:07] <brimestone> download angstrom and re-image?
  • [23:33:15] <brimestone> thats the only solution?
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  • [23:35:43] <mranostay> do you have a walmart nearby and 10$?
  • [23:35:59] <brimestone> no? walmart if freakin far..
  • [23:36:12] <brimestone> will 8GB+ micro SD work?
  • [23:36:32] <mranostay> ah yes why not
  • [23:36:50] <brimestone> i read that it will only work with 4GB
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  • [23:37:05] <mranostay> yeah where?
  • [23:37:25] <brimestone> well pretty much all of the uBuntu installation guide says 4GB
  • [23:37:35] <mranostay> they are both SDHC cards
  • [23:37:41] <mranostay> so?
  • [23:37:54] <mranostay> can't fit a 4GB image on a 8GB card?
  • [23:37:55] <brimestone> ok.. ill try that tonight..
  • [23:38:15] <brimestone> i got use the massive servers with TB of storage..
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  • [23:44:23] <brimestone> ARGGG!
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  • [23:47:30] <mranostay> Russ: ping
  • [23:47:52] <mranostay> Crofton and Crofton|work!
  • [23:48:24] <Crofton|work> ?
  • [23:49:19] <ds2> hey Crofton|work!
  • [23:49:36] <ds2> Crofton|work: have you seen the "cheap" SDR board from mossman?
  • [23:49:37] <mranostay> Crofton|work: so b-day over the weekend?
  • [23:49:53] <Crofton|work> mine no
  • [23:49:58] <Crofton|work> I've seen a hackrf
  • [23:50:09] <ds2> think that might be it
  • [23:50:30] <ds2> Crofton|work: any opinions on that? at $199 it is a lot cheaper
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  • [23:50:45] <Crofton|work> dep[ends on what you want to do :)
  • [23:50:55] <ds2> let's say I want to do a private GSM network :D
  • [23:51:06] * mranostay calls the NSA on ds2
  • [23:51:17] <ds2> on a boat in the middle of the ocean near no land bodies of course ;)
  • [23:51:31] <mranostay> lalallallalalalalalala
  • [23:51:33] <Crofton|work> I'm thinking hackrf can't do that
  • [23:51:37] * mranostay covers ears
  • [23:51:44] <ds2> oh
  • [23:52:04] <ds2> let me check the names
  • [23:52:49] <ds2> they claim 30MHz-6GHz xmit/rcv
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  • [23:53:09] <ds2> are there other gotchas?
  • [23:53:42] <sharebrained> Low output power, half-duplex...
  • [23:53:52] <sharebrained> Not available until January.
  • [23:54:08] <ds2> a few months is no biggie
  • [23:54:17] <ds2> seeing it as a big step up from a RTL dongle
  • [23:54:34] <sharebrained> Built-in clock (crystal) precision is too low for serious GSM BTS.
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  • [23:55:04] <sharebrained> Half-duplex makes BTS timing requirements tricky -- possibly the best way to address is linking two HackRFs together.
  • [23:55:13] <ds2> I see
  • [23:55:36] <sharebrained> You can get an earful over at #hackrf. :-)
  • [23:56:58] <nomel> disconnected the power too many times...corrupted my flash...again. :-|
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