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  • [01:30:37] <emocakes> just saved myself $600
  • [01:30:37] <emocakes> :D
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  • [01:35:17] <prpplague> emocakes: Geico or Progressive? hehe
  • [01:35:34] <emocakes> prpplague something for my car
  • [01:35:35] <emocakes> :p
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  • [01:36:21] <emocakes> climate control module went belly up, got a second hand one, but it needed to be reprogrammed for the different buttons i had, pulled out the smd rework station and swapped the flash chips
  • [01:36:24] <emocakes> all works now :)
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  • [01:40:33] <pb__> m_billybobm, you mentioned a cnc program for linux the other day, mind reminding me what it was?
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  • [01:54:18] <etruscan> The contents of my /media/BEAGLEBONE/ directory keep disappearing
  • [01:54:42] <etruscan> On a reboot. Means that uEnv.txt disappears.
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  • [01:55:23] <etruscan> Copying the files back doesn't seem to help; anything I put into a new uEnv.txt doesn't get processed
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  • [01:56:08] <etruscan> This often (but not always) happens after I've disabled HDMI, and I have to reflash the eMMC to restore it. And then it happens again soon after. Has anyone else seen this?
  • [01:56:22] <etruscan> I'm using Angstrom 3.8.13
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  • [03:31:44] <tofamin> Why is there no open jdk opkg binary package?
  • [03:32:27] <tofamin> I am trying right now this package: http://community.buglabs.net/kgilmer/posts/251-Java-7-OpenJDK-IcedTea-for-the-BUG-2-
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  • [03:47:05] <ircfreenoodle> anyone know where I can find CFdisk to download?
  • [03:50:33] <tofamin> for which distro?
  • [03:52:48] <tofamin> ircfreenoodle: try opkg util-linux-cfdisk
  • [03:53:02] <tofamin> if you use angstrom
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  • [03:53:15] <ircfreenoodle> well here's what I'm trying to do
  • [03:53:33] <ircfreenoodle> I want to partition kubuntu onto a 64gb microsd
  • [03:54:36] <ircfreenoodle> but I want to do all this partition business on my laptop which is windows...and then plug the micro bootable drive into the beagle bone and boot from it
  • [03:54:40] <tofamin> which operating system are you running?
  • [03:54:48] <ircfreenoodle> the beagle is on angstrom
  • [03:54:59] <ircfreenoodle> but my laptop I think is windows xp maybe?
  • [03:55:14] <ircfreenoodle> or windows 7 I don't know the difference between those two
  • [03:55:39] <tofamin> do you got a kubuntu distribution that was built for the beagle bone?
  • [03:58:35] <ircfreenoodle> um I don't know
  • [03:58:37] <tofamin> Here http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Linux_Distributions you can find a lot of different distros for the BBB(beagle bone black)
  • [03:59:00] <ircfreenoodle> I wanted to run kubuntu because it's lighter than unbuntu
  • [03:59:23] <tofamin> if you use windows, whether win7 or winXP, you should install win32 Disk Imager
  • [03:59:47] <ircfreenoodle> ok, if i partition a bootable drive would it boot up on the beagle bone?
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  • [03:59:52] <tofamin> with that program, you can write the images to your uSD card
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  • [04:00:28] <tofamin> you do not need to partition it, Win32DiskImager does it for you
  • [04:01:22] <ircfreenoodle> so I could essentially put in USB or Sd card, down load unbuntu/kubuntu images and then win32 will partition those (automatically?) to my drive?
  • [04:01:45] <ircfreenoodle> do I need dosfstools still?
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  • [04:02:08] <tofamin> yes, but just if you are using an embedded Linux that was buillt for the BBB. The BBB has an arm-processor. You are probably trying an x86-linux version, which won't work
  • [04:02:47] <ircfreenoodle> So then I need to use Ubuntu?
  • [04:03:08] <ircfreenoodle> start by saying I'm very new to linux if you can't tell
  • [04:03:34] <tofamin> the images you find on the page I gave you, have two partitions (one boot and one rootfs), Win32 writes this image to your uSD
  • [04:04:07] <ircfreenoodle> so creating like a second partition for space, and a grub boot file does it also do that?
  • [04:05:22] <tofamin> I am not sure about that, if it will provide you the whole 64GB. I always used 8GB and had them available after using Win32 Disk Imager
  • [04:05:53] <tofamin> bist du deutscher?
  • [04:06:00] <ircfreenoodle> nicht so mal
  • [04:06:06] <tofamin> ^^
  • [04:06:17] <ircfreenoodle> ich bin dumm american
  • [04:07:14] <tofamin> MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition is a great tool you could use to partition your SD card once was flashed with Win32imgr
  • [04:07:43] <tofamin> You are logged in via a German server ^^ thought so. :)
  • [04:07:59] <ircfreenoodle> it's 12am here
  • [04:08:07] <ircfreenoodle> east coast...I work for a German company though
  • [04:08:12] <ircfreenoodle> Mercedes Benz
  • [04:08:20] <tofamin> I am German, but I am in Wisconsin, it is 11pm here :)
  • [04:08:28] <ircfreenoodle> haha
  • [04:08:45] <ircfreenoodle> du bist mein fruendin?
  • [04:09:02] <tofamin> freund would fit better :)
  • [04:09:09] <tofamin> freundin is female, but not bad
  • [04:09:12] <ircfreenoodle> yeah...like I said...not so much
  • [04:09:23] <tofamin> so what do you want to do with your BBB?
  • [04:10:09] <ircfreenoodle> I'm basically wanting to run it as a desktop PC but with a bootable drive that I can 256bit encrypt as well
  • [04:10:14] <tofamin> why don't you just use Angstrom, which is allready installed on your system?
  • [04:10:38] <ircfreenoodle> I may...I like the unbuntu look better I think, it may be purely asthetics to me I don't know
  • [04:11:04] <pb__> I don't think it's going to work very well....
  • [04:11:12] <ircfreenoodle> I built a nice case for it out of plexiglass and I want it to be like a tiny pc that's use friendly
  • [04:11:43] <ircfreenoodle> cause I have 3 others in the house that are pc illiterate...I'm at least willing to learn though
  • [04:11:53] <tofamin> okay, so at the moment there are a lot of different operating systems for the BBB, but most of them have no Graphical user interface preinstalled. I would suggest to use angstrom, because there will be the most support in the internet.
  • [04:12:20] <pb__> Not to mention the ubuntu GUI is a bit resourse intensive.
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  • [04:12:28] <ircfreenoodle> ok, can I download mozilla firefox, tor and enigmail with it?
  • [04:12:52] <pb__> It already has firefox on the Angstom distro
  • [04:12:57] <ircfreenoodle> if you haven't noticed I like my privacy
  • [04:13:04] <tofamin> the BBB got an eMMC chip(2GB) where your angstrom is installed right now.
  • [04:13:09] <pb__> shouldn't be an issue getting the others I wouldn't think.
  • [04:13:36] <ircfreenoodle> ok what about smoothing out the desktop layout?
  • [04:14:11] <ircfreenoodle> and does it log keystrokes like ubuntu, if so how do I turn all that off
  • [04:14:19] <pb__> You realize we are talking about hardware that is basically a beefed up cell phone.
  • [04:14:34] <ircfreenoodle> yes I mean I get all that
  • [04:14:59] <pb__> Even on angstrom which is pretty minimalistic, it still runs pretty slow.
  • [04:15:06] <tofamin> but I guess you want to use your uSD card to have more space. The easiest would be to install win32DiskImager and...
  • [04:15:19] <tofamin> write this image http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.06.17.img.xz onto the uSD card
  • [04:16:14] <ircfreenoodle> my purpose is literally surfing the web, e-mail, possibly a media center down the road but maybe not just normal stuff I guess
  • [04:16:19] <ircfreenoodle> is it slow because of the processor?
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  • [04:16:29] <pb__> even just web is slow
  • [04:16:38] <tofamin> then you just plug in the sd card into your powered down board. When you turn on, it will boot from your SD.
  • [04:16:39] <ircfreenoodle> pb what makes it slow?
  • [04:16:52] <pb__> I mean I don't have a huge amount of experience with it, but from just using it a little before swapping over to command line only, it wasn't great
  • [04:16:56] <ircfreenoodle> tofamin that's what I intended to do...
  • [04:17:02] <pb__> processer and a small ammount of ram
  • [04:17:15] <ircfreenoodle> 512mb ddr3 right
  • [04:17:20] <pb__> yep
  • [04:17:29] <ircfreenoodle> is that worse than ddr2
  • [04:17:40] <pb__> no, but its just not a whole lot
  • [04:17:56] <ircfreenoodle> when you say slow...are you comparing to todays standards
  • [04:18:05] <ircfreenoodle> or like...back when I was on 56k slow?
  • [04:18:15] <pb__> I'm saying its not a pleasent user experience if you are trying to use it as a "computer"
  • [04:18:30] <pb__> I mean, it works
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  • [04:18:38] <pb__> but I would never consider using it as that
  • [04:18:41] <tofamin> you bought it for $45 , what do you expect. It doesnt even have a heatsink. By the way I ran benchmarks with it and had better results with cooling the board, so hopefully your plexi glass case has some holes...
  • [04:18:58] <ircfreenoodle> I have a heatsink installed
  • [04:19:12] <ircfreenoodle> two more coming for the ethernet chip and so forth
  • [04:19:33] <tofamin> thats good
  • [04:19:37] <ircfreenoodle> but...the plexiglass case is wide open it's just to protect it from damage to the board not prevent airflow
  • [04:19:48] <ircfreenoodle> like a sandwich with standoffs
  • [04:20:08] <tofamin> my board got a bigass active cooling ^^
  • [04:20:18] <pb__> I need to make me one of those
  • [04:20:30] <pb__> so my wife doesn't smack it on accident.
  • [04:20:37] <tofamin> haha ^^
  • [04:20:39] <ircfreenoodle> I don't expect much to be honest tofamin...but I want to be able to tool around on it in private even if it lags a bit
  • [04:20:47] <ircfreenoodle> wasn't hard...
  • [04:20:55] <pb__> Oh I know, I'm just lazy
  • [04:21:06] <pb__> It would be on the bottom of my long list of crap I need to do either way.
  • [04:21:20] <ircfreenoodle> took the board to lowes and had them cut two identical credit card pieces of plexiglass from 1 sheet that cost 1.98
  • [04:21:33] <ircfreenoodle> bought one brass tube in the nuts and bolts section for 1 dollar
  • [04:21:38] <tofamin> hey pb_, do you know why there is no open jdk in the opkg?
  • [04:21:52] <ircfreenoodle> and a pack of 8 4x100 screws with nuts for like 2 bucks
  • [04:21:53] <pb__> I have no freaking Idea, I'm not into this enough yet
  • [04:21:58] <ircfreenoodle> then dremel and assemble
  • [04:22:34] <tofamin> which distros did you try on the BBB, any favorites?
  • [04:22:59] <pb__> Honestly i havent tinkered enough, I just was playing with angstrom for a while.
  • [04:23:12] <pb__> to see if it would work for a "smart" tv type deal
  • [04:23:38] <pb__> Hell, Billybob had to babystep me through building a debian install
  • [04:23:38] <tofamin> and what do you think? I didnt try videos on it yet.
  • [04:23:48] <pb__> Not a chance IMO.
  • [04:24:11] <pb__> I bought mine purely to make into a file server for the other media boxes I have in my house
  • [04:24:20] <pb__> Goin to buy a second one to tinker with
  • [04:26:01] <tofamin> I got a raspberryPi, which is older and costs just 35$. That one is able to get overclocked via the firmware. Thats not to bad for surfing.
  • [04:26:21] <tofamin> I think with Debian it's maybe even faster as the BBB
  • [04:26:55] <ircfreenoodle> if I use ubuntu that's a debian derivitive right?
  • [04:27:12] <prpplague> tofamin: HA funny funny
  • [04:27:35] <ircfreenoodle> plague what's funny?
  • [04:27:51] <prpplague> <tofamin> I think with Debian it's maybe even faster as the BBB
  • [04:27:59] <ircfreenoodle> why is that funny?
  • [04:28:16] <prpplague> because it isn't even close to reality
  • [04:28:40] <ircfreenoodle> pb just told me the bbb was slow on the net
  • [04:29:17] <tofamin> I spent some time in doing benchmarks comparing both boards with each other. Debian Wheezy is a really nice distro. I run it at 1 Ghz
  • [04:29:43] <prpplague> tofamin: 1ghz armv6 is no match for 1ghz armv7
  • [04:29:55] <prpplague> ircfreenoodle: yea, amazing what people can say
  • [04:30:15] <ircfreenoodle> prpplague can you help me with a question or verify the information
  • [04:30:16] <pb__> slow on the net? I said its not an enjoyable user experience
  • [04:30:19] <pb__> thats a bit different
  • [04:30:30] <ircfreenoodle> so instead of slow on the net, you said it sucks
  • [04:30:34] <ircfreenoodle> either way
  • [04:30:46] <tofamin> I know the BBB has faster DDR3 ram and older arm processor. It must be a question of time till the distros are running better on the BBB.
  • [04:30:53] <prpplague> ircfreenoodle: depends on your question
  • [04:30:56] * prpplague is tired
  • [04:31:05] <prpplague> tofamin: What?
  • [04:31:11] <prpplague> tofamin: older arm processor?
  • [04:31:18] <prpplague> tofamin: you are smoking crack
  • [04:31:30] <tofamin> other way round
  • [04:31:36] <tofamin> lol
  • [04:31:55] <ircfreenoodle> I need to create a bootable microSD card for my BBB
  • [04:32:10] <prpplague> ircfreenoodle: fully documented on the wiki
  • [04:32:14] <ircfreenoodle> I want to run kubuntu on it, but I'm told I have to run ubuntu
  • [04:32:34] <ircfreenoodle> because there is no distro for it
  • [04:32:40] <prpplague> ircfreenoodle: sounds about right
  • [04:32:46] <ircfreenoodle> also...although I've had the BBB for 2 weeks, I haven't booted it once yet
  • [04:32:56] <ircfreenoodle> I want to partition the drive on my windows based laptop
  • [04:32:57] <pb__> Why don't you check out the distro thats on it?
  • [04:33:00] <ircfreenoodle> then plug it in and boot
  • [04:33:02] <prpplague> ircfreenoodle: why not use the angstrom distro it ships with?
  • [04:33:09] <ircfreenoodle> I dunno
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  • [04:33:17] <ircfreenoodle> what's special about angstrom...
  • [04:33:34] <ircfreenoodle> like I don't know that i'm sold on angstrom...maybe it's great I don't know
  • [04:33:49] <pb__> Is there even a ubuntu image out with a GUI on it?
  • [04:33:52] <prpplague> well for starters it's what is tested and shipped with the black
  • [04:33:55] <Thihi> A good reason not to use the one it ships with is that the first update breaks it. The later builds of ??ngstr??m on BBB are <3
  • [04:33:56] <ircfreenoodle> in addition unless I can fully 256bit encrypt the whole BBB then I have no interest in the out of the box distro
  • [04:33:56] <pb__> only one I found was command line only
  • [04:34:23] <prpplague> Thihi: that hasnt happened since the first release
  • [04:34:28] <tofamin> Angstrom is not bad, but I am really curious which OS will have the largest community in the near future
  • [04:34:31] <prpplague> Thihi: and we do regular releases
  • [04:34:36] <Thihi> Oh, ok, I got mine like a month ago or so.
  • [04:34:53] <prpplague> Thihi: and, most likely the one you got was made 4 months ago
  • [04:35:11] <prpplague> Thihi: things don't just get from point a to point b over night, hehe
  • [04:35:11] <Thihi> Well, I'm glad you fixed it :)
  • [04:35:15] <Thihi> Yeah.
  • [04:35:32] <ircfreenoodle> ok so run angstrom then?
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  • [04:35:49] <prpplague> ircfreenoodle: if you want to get started and start understanding things, yes
  • [04:35:52] <pb__> No reason not to try it...
  • [04:36:08] <ircfreenoodle> pplague, does angstrom log keystrokes out of the box like ubuntu?
  • [04:36:16] <ircfreenoodle> if so does it have a disable feature
  • [04:36:21] <ircfreenoodle> is there any adware attached?
  • [04:36:35] <ircfreenoodle> there is a reason i haven't booted the comp up yet
  • [04:36:38] <prpplague> ircfreenoodle: log keystrokes?
  • [04:36:44] <ircfreenoodle> yes
  • [04:36:53] <ircfreenoodle> ubuntu has an option to turn off keystroke logging
  • [04:37:01] <ircfreenoodle> it also has adware on it
  • [04:37:13] * prpplague shakes his head
  • [04:37:15] <ircfreenoodle> thus the reason I wanted a lighter version kubuntu and then disable keystrokes
  • [04:37:26] <prpplague> ircfreenoodle: where did you hear that ubuntu has keystroke logging?
  • [04:37:30] <prpplague> ircfreenoodle: url?
  • [04:37:45] <ircfreenoodle> lemme check real quick...there is a wiki how to turn it off, or a video or something
  • [04:38:10] <tofamin> prpplague: I am following this steps to install open jdk7. It does not work yet. Could it be, that it needs an older previous installed jre?
  • [04:38:29] <tofamin> http://community.buglabs.net/kgilmer/posts/251-Java-7-OpenJDK-IcedTea-for-the-BUG-2-
  • [04:38:36] <Thihi> I seem to recall some hoohaa about Ubuntu 12.10 having Amazon as one of the default things you can search from with the Unity launcher thingy. I guess if you add amazon to anything, you'll get lasting logs of anything you search. Dunno if it has anything to do with this.
  • [04:38:41] <prpplague> tofamin: sorry no clue, i consider putting java on an embedded device a bad idea
  • [04:39:08] <ircfreenoodle> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2077932.html
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  • [04:39:38] <prpplague> hehe, yea bogus info, hehe
  • [04:39:47] <ircfreenoodle> wel no...read down
  • [04:39:56] <ircfreenoodle> the second response says he recalls a way to shut it off
  • [04:40:05] <ircfreenoodle> it logs from your command and sends to advertisers
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  • [04:40:36] <pb__> I thought they removed the adverts from 12.14
  • [04:40:39] <prpplague> yea, that is so silly it isn't even funny, not even a real spyware
  • [04:40:53] <ircfreenoodle> when it comes to privacy nothing is silly to me
  • [04:40:59] <prpplague> ircfreenoodle: so to answer your question, no angstrom does not include advertisements nor keystroke loggers
  • [04:41:14] <prpplague> ircfreenoodle: yea nor i, but i can tell you that is bogus info
  • [04:41:16] <Thihi> ircfreenoodle, you can also just not use the fugly launcher in Ubuntu as well.
  • [04:41:19] <ircfreenoodle> ok, so it would be safe to install TOR and enigmail on it?
  • [04:41:25] <tofamin> I got problems with the resolution on just one specific screen. The other ones work fine, but this one screen I really want to use doesnt display fully the upper and left part of the scrren. Any hints for that problem?
  • [04:41:44] <pb__> tofamin, is there an option on your monitor to turn off overscan?
  • [04:42:13] <tofamin> I can check that thanks pb_.
  • [04:42:54] <prpplague> tofamin: why are you trying to install jdk7 on the rootfs of the black?
  • [04:43:20] <tofamin> 1280x720 ; 720x480 and 640x480 is suggested by angstrom
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  • [04:44:04] <prpplague> as pb__ pointed out, most likely your display has overscan on by default
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  • [04:45:35] <ircfreenoodle> so if I plug in the beagle bone and just let it boot...I basically have a working PC
  • [04:45:46] <pb__> Yes.
  • [04:46:46] <pb__> prpplague, what do you think about the litest window enviroment I can get is ( not using angstorm) LXDE?
  • [04:47:30] <ircfreenoodle> ok well I'm off to bed guys. Thanks for your assistance, best chat session yet on helping me out
  • [04:47:36] <ircfreenoodle> seriously thanks!
  • [04:47:50] <pb__> Take care
  • [04:47:51] <ircfreenoodle> tofamin, aufweidersehen freund
  • [04:47:56] <tofamin> Oh thank you guys for the hint with overscan. I guess that's my problem. 6% are missing on the left and upper side
  • [04:48:15] <tofamin> aufwiedersehen. viele gruesse an die ost kueste
  • [04:48:50] <ircfreenoodle> plague...also thank you for the input and guidance I think it will help me.
  • [04:48:59] <tofamin> And this I found on the support side of my screen: "The overscan feature is only adjustable when in TV mode; it doesn't affect VGA or HDMI inputs and cannot be adjusted in these modes."
  • [04:49:12] <pb__> gahg
  • [04:49:16] <pb__> thats how my TV is also
  • [04:49:41] <tofamin> So that tells me at least that I can stop trying. :D
  • [04:50:16] <pb__> hah
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  • [04:50:59] <pb__> Hrm
  • [04:51:12] <pb__> wonder what all I would need to make this thing power a diy cnc mill
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  • [04:52:35] <pb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo0W65dMgNM
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  • [04:53:51] <emocakes> ordered a tt3201 cape
  • [04:54:06] <emocakes> time to get my SocketCAN happening :D
  • [04:54:24] <mranostay> hi emocakes
  • [04:54:48] <emocakes> hey hey mranostay
  • [04:55:44] <tofamin> Why is it a bad idea to install java on arm devices?
  • [04:56:34] <tofamin> I am learning java right now and just wanted to test my programs on a diffrent system. Why not an arm device?
  • [04:57:26] <mranostay> java not even once
  • [04:59:31] <emocakes> tofamin why?
  • [04:59:47] <emocakes> java should be the same everywhere, no need to test on arm
  • [05:00:58] <tofamin> because of the virtual machine right?
  • [05:01:48] <tofamin> the virtual machine runs the the code that was compiled for the the JVM
  • [05:03:41] <emocakes> yah
  • [05:04:38] <tofamin> So I do not know why an arm processor should not run java code.
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  • [05:12:37] <emocakes> bah
  • [05:12:38] <emocakes> it can
  • [05:12:43] <emocakes> look at android
  • [05:12:46] <emocakes> thats arm
  • [05:12:50] <emocakes> and java
  • [05:13:12] <tofamin> yes, now jdk7 is running. I dont know why, but I had to install libcups2 a second time. My hello world is on the BBB :)
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  • [05:14:17] <tofamin> I have no smart phone. do you want to say, that the arm in android does not work that good with it's java?
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  • [05:19:05] <mranostay> emocakes: and x86
  • [05:19:07] <mranostay> :)
  • [05:19:21] <emocakes> one vendor mranostay
  • [05:20:26] <emocakes> you could then say android is also in c#
  • [05:20:43] <mranostay> touche emocakes
  • [05:21:30] <tofamin> my hello world display great on my beagle bone except for my screen resolution problems, that have nothing to do with java. :D
  • [05:22:25] <tofamin> more then hello world is coming to tomorrow. good nigth guys :)
  • [05:22:26] <emocakes> now learn C
  • [05:22:28] <emocakes> a real language
  • [05:22:29] <emocakes> :p
  • [05:22:37] <tofamin> :P
  • [05:23:07] <mranostay> assembly is where the real men are
  • [05:23:24] <emocakes> my ARM assembly isnt that flash
  • [05:23:30] <emocakes> my x86 is pwnage though
  • [05:23:39] <emocakes> my ppc as well is lacking
  • [05:23:42] <emocakes> should learn ARM
  • [05:24:19] <mranostay> heh ARM is easy :)
  • [05:24:32] <mranostay> RISC generally is
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  • [05:55:11] <natsurou> hello
  • [05:55:28] <natsurou> I just received my bbb and I want to use is standalone
  • [05:55:39] <natsurou> but I have no usb hub atm
  • [05:56:21] <natsurou> is there any keyboard shortcut to call the terminal from the desktop (I have the keyboard connected and I see the desktop on my monitor)
  • [05:57:42] <natsurou> oh fuck what a noob I'm OTL
  • [05:58:18] <natsurou> with all the excitement I forgot the universal linux CtrlAltF...
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  • [06:16:55] <KotH> gr??ezi
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  • [07:40:12] <panto> moarning
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  • [07:42:21] <KotH> JIHAD panto!
  • [07:42:42] <KotH> panto: how is your greek moarning today?
  • [07:42:48] <panto> too early without a coffee
  • [07:43:08] <panto> the weather is pissing me off
  • [07:43:23] <panto> it's less than 30C and windy, I wanted to go to the beach for an early swim
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  • [08:04:10] <KotH> panto: poor boy
  • [08:04:15] <KotH> panto: we feel with you
  • [08:04:26] <KotH> panto: now do us all a favor and get yourself a cup of coffee
  • [08:04:35] <panto> already did
  • [08:05:35] <KotH> good
  • [08:05:46] <KotH> and what's about us?
  • [08:05:51] <KotH> wont you bring us coffee?
  • [08:06:38] * dm8tbr throws KotH a few chocolated espresso beans
  • [08:07:05] <panto> it's frozen espresso coffee
  • [08:09:11] <KotH> .o0(the bad part of #beagle-land is where they throw dark chocolate at you)
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  • [08:10:59] <panto> you can always catch in the air with your mouth
  • [08:12:01] <dm8tbr> LetoThe2nd: "we're from the internet!"
  • [08:12:38] <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: what is this internet everybody is talking about? does it come from the planet of ix?
  • [08:13:00] <dm8tbr> yes and the moon of ct'
  • [08:14:39] <LetoThe2nd> hrhr
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  • [08:16:42] <KotH> lol
  • [08:16:54] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: you aren't german, are you?
  • [08:17:14] <KotH> ok, your name is german...or austrian...
  • [08:17:49] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: ?
  • [08:18:27] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: well, who but someone from a german speaking country knows ix or ct?
  • [08:18:41] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: and i somehow had the impression you were from farther north
  • [08:18:45] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: ah. you fail.
  • [08:18:55] * KotH fails often, fails early
  • [08:18:56] <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: from that POV, you also fail.
  • [08:19:25] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: dm8tbr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ix_(planet)#Ix
  • [08:19:43] <LetoThe2nd> or rather, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ix_(Dune)
  • [08:20:08] * KotH failed horribly this time
  • [08:20:17] * KotH should have known better
  • [08:20:20] * KotH blames dm8tbr
  • [08:20:34] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: but yeah, i'm german - born, raised and living in central bavaria :)
  • [08:20:52] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: so you are bavarian, not german?
  • [08:20:56] <KotH> ;)
  • [08:21:04] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: exactly.
  • [08:21:11] <KotH> yappari
  • [08:21:39] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: you should come to lug-camp next year, it will be in freising (or near there somewhere)
  • [08:22:38] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: give me a reminder when it's about time, then.
  • [08:23:00] * KotH will
  • [08:23:25] <koen> KotH: if you mean the magazines, I know of them as well, and .nl isn't a german speaking country :)
  • [08:23:54] <KotH> koen: ok... do you also know elrad?
  • [08:24:42] <KotH> koen: but, then, .nl might count as an german protectorate
  • [08:24:44] <KotH> ;->
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  • [08:25:53] <koen> I didn't know about elrad till I googled it just now
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  • [08:31:54] <KotH> it's the mother of all computer magazines in .de :)
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  • [08:41:43] <dm8tbr> of ct' that is
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  • [09:39:57] <flufmnstr> iam having trouble figureing out setting a UART to 250kbaud rate. i know its not a 'common rate', but is there a work around getting it to work on the Black(debian)?
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  • [09:43:14] <panto> flufmnstr, IOSSIOSPEED
  • [09:43:20] <panto> mileage may vary though
  • [09:43:31] <panto> err, TIOCSSERIAL
  • [09:44:02] <panto> custom rates are a pain in general
  • [09:44:04] <flufmnstr> bad on the chip or hit or miss solution?
  • [09:44:15] <panto> needs driver support
  • [09:44:19] <flufmnstr> ah
  • [09:45:02] <panto> and not all chips support arbitrary serial rates
  • [09:45:08] <flufmnstr> im trying to run DMX stright out of the board(well atleast the + signal i can make the inverted signal off board with transistors).
  • [09:45:49] <teralaser> oooh DMX :D
  • [09:46:23] <flufmnstr> indeed. the goal is to use Blacks as show controlers in a haunted house
  • [09:46:41] <flufmnstr> preferably with as little extra hardware as possible
  • [09:47:17] <panto> well, why don't you try that ioctl and see
  • [09:47:43] <teralaser> hm, florian, is this you http://beagleboard.org/CapeContest/entries/BeagleBone+DMX+Cape/ haha ?
  • [09:47:49] <flufmnstr> we can get ~$25 usbdmx adaptors, but if i can do it with a bit of code an a few $0.05 transistors....
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  • [09:48:27] <teralaser> plus 200 hours
  • [09:48:36] <teralaser> hehe , well, good luck.
  • [09:48:58] <florian> teralaser: heh... no
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  • [09:50:01] <flufmnstr> teralaser haha. not me. my plan is basically a homebrew version of that cape. just DMX out and some GPIO for buttons and relays.
  • [09:50:52] <flufmnstr> hopefuly max out the mcasp for some creepy surroud sound effects
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  • [09:54:22] <flufmnstr> eventually a centeral system to monitor, override and control the controllers. but thats on the back burner. have to makea working unit first
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  • [10:04:48] <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: sounds like hongkong makes you try to use your illusion ;)
  • [10:05:30] <dm8tbr> huh, now you lost me
  • [10:05:58] <das__> "Error: Illigal Image Type." hahaha
  • [10:06:00] <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: mr. smartwatch has a HK lookup
  • [10:06:17] <dm8tbr> aaah
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  • [10:46:29] <CallMeMOTHA> is there any opensource omap project?
  • [10:48:47] <SpeedEvil> What do you mean by that?
  • [10:48:55] <CallMeMOTHA> omap5
  • [10:49:40] <dm8tbr> there is an omap5 uEVM and supposedly there is public code for it under open source license
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  • [10:52:06] <CallMeMOTHA> thanks dm8tbr
  • [10:59:32] <CallMeMOTHA> dm8tbr: what is the project name actually?
  • [11:00:03] <dm8tbr> check omappedia, that's where I've seen mentions of omap5 code
  • [11:11:35] <exosyst> are there any good device tree tutorials on how to get a GPIO setup as an input through to grabbing it in kernel space. or even a driver that does it already
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  • [11:19:18] <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: he just doesn't want to listen, obviously
  • [11:19:49] <dm8tbr> LetoThe2nd: he obviously also privmsgd me...
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  • [11:20:39] <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: he obviously is mr smartwatch ;)
  • [11:23:17] <dm8tbr> a omap5 in a smart-watch? rrrrright... next thing he'll ask for micro size nucular(sic!) reactors to power it...
  • [11:24:25] <SpeedEvil> I've seen ompa3 in a smart-watch
  • [11:24:45] <koen> I've seen omap4 in a tiny quadcopter
  • [11:24:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/8GB-or-16GB-MOTOACTV/79070,en_US,pd.html
  • [11:25:07] <SpeedEvil> Same processor as the n900
  • [11:25:15] <SpeedEvil> Also a better designed USB jack.
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  • [11:30:48] <mrpackethead> trolls
  • [11:30:50] <mrpackethead> whos trolling
  • [11:31:27] * KotH is
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  • [11:31:47] <koen> I found a troll
  • [11:31:48] <koen> "the already installed gcc is not compatible with compiling for gcc-avr"
  • [11:32:35] <KotH> mrpackethead: i just put a sing with http://attila.kinali.ch/qrcode.png up at work
  • [11:32:38] <KotH> :)
  • [11:35:58] <mrpackethead> the kiwi troll is in Australia tonight
  • [11:36:08] <mrpackethead> rough flight
  • [11:38:20] <KotH> my condolences
  • [11:38:26] <KotH> why did you fly over?
  • [11:38:53] <SpeedEvil> I guess swimming was too hard work.
  • [11:39:08] <mrpackethead> got a wedding to go to
  • [11:40:22] <kfoltman> that's double bad
  • [11:40:39] <dm8tbr> KotH: very nice *saved* *printinqueue*
  • [11:45:47] <KotH> *g*
  • [11:51:57] <emocakes> which kiwi?
  • [11:55:02] <mrpackethead> there is more than 1?
  • [11:58:46] <KotH> no, not anymore. i ate the one i had this morning
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  • [12:50:11] <georgem> I'm not feeling inspired to write this mfd driver. I need a driver writing motivational video or something. Or... I guess I could just listen to Daft Punk, maybe that would work.
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  • [12:59:47] <xenoxaos> wooo....a few more BBB's with 7" displays are on the truck for delivery!
  • [13:00:00] * xenoxaos is a little excited
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  • [13:01:22] <georgem> All for you?
  • [13:01:37] <xenoxaos> no...for my team too
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  • [13:02:14] <xenoxaos> it's hard to give help with stuff when your alpha board is all kinds of messed up
  • [13:02:26] <kfoltman> georgem: well, I think a driver writing anti-suicide net might be handy, too
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  • [13:02:39] <kfoltman> and hair protector
  • [13:03:02] <kfoltman> thick foam padded hat
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  • [13:03:33] <georgem> kfoltman: yeah... certainly would help
  • [13:04:13] <das__> crap .. if you ever forget to lock your session here you're sure to have a "my little pony" desktop picture when you come back
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  • [13:04:29] <kfoltman> das__: I'm sure my daughter would like such a workplace
  • [13:04:39] <kfoltman> das__: she's very forgetful AND she likes my little ponies
  • [13:05:01] <kfoltman> but they probably don't hire 7 year olds
  • [13:05:30] <KotH> a shame, isn't it?
  • [13:05:34] <georgem> xenoxaos: Sounds fun. Everything I've been working on is for headless automation stuff so I haven't gotten to play with any of the displays :( (aside from regular LCD monitor)
  • [13:05:59] <KotH> das__: but would you be so kind and give me said background pic?
  • [13:06:06] <KotH> das__: i need to educate the people here as well :)
  • [13:06:10] <georgem> lol
  • [13:06:33] <georgem> KotH: Switch their keyboard layout to Dvorak
  • [13:06:50] <KotH> georgem: those people are not geeky enough to fix that... so it would fall back to me
  • [13:07:04] <KotH> georgem: nah.. annyoing them with my little pony is better
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  • [13:08:38] <KotH> .o0(i scared him)
  • [13:12:21] <georgem> People at my office are pretty ruthless and inappropriate. Browser home pages have been set to websites depicting animated gifs of spinning reproductive organs on occasion :/
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  • [13:15:21] <KotH> lol
  • [13:16:20] <dm8tbr> georgem: omg, you should have a lkml-type outcry immediately!!!11!
  • [13:16:44] <mru> maybe sarah can start a consulting business
  • [13:17:19] <KotH> hasn't everyone seen those pics by now?
  • [13:17:44] <KotH> i mean, they've been on the intarwebz before i knew what internet is, let alone first got onto it
  • [13:17:50] <MFKa> okay does anyone know the dimensions of am3359
  • [13:17:58] <KotH> MFKa: lots of people do
  • [13:18:21] <MFKa> KotH: what are the numbers then?
  • [13:18:40] <KotH> MFKa: i didnt say that _i_ know
  • [13:18:49] <KotH> MFKa: but lots of people do know
  • [13:18:59] <KotH> MFKa: and it's a matter of seconds to look those values up too
  • [13:20:00] <MFKa> ...
  • [13:20:06] <Spirilis> anyone interested in TI package dimensions, I keep this in my bookmarks: http://focus.ti.com/quality/docs/gencontent.tsp?templateId=5909&navigationId=12626&contentId=5071
  • [13:20:10] <georgem> KotH: yeah... the mean age here has been rising here and as you pointed out the shock factor has diminished so things are calming down.
  • [13:20:16] <KotH> MFKa: datasheet, do you read it?
  • [13:20:29] <KotH> georgem: shock factor?
  • [13:20:33] <KotH> georgem: i wonder...
  • [13:20:41] <MFKa> KotH: yes but i cant find the dimensions
  • [13:20:54] <KotH> georgem: i think that goatse stuff stopped shocking me a year or two after i figured out how to use a webbrowser
  • [13:21:13] <KotH> MFKa: they are usually at the end of the datasheet
  • [13:21:36] <georgem> KotH: I've working here 16 years so...
  • [13:23:07] <KotH> MFKa: juup, they are there
  • [13:24:11] <KotH> MFKa: note: datasheet, not TRM, ARM, Errata, or anything else
  • [13:25:24] <KotH> georgem: hmm.. i'm not even on the internet that long ^^'
  • [13:25:42] <KotH> georgem: and i'm methusalem compared to mranostay
  • [13:26:00] <KotH> georgem: what are you? an imortal being?
  • [13:26:08] <mru> immoral
  • [13:26:16] <georgem> yes, that
  • [13:26:23] <KotH> aren't all trolls immoral?
  • [13:26:34] <KotH> isnt that what defines trolls?
  • [13:26:42] <mru> trolls are amoral
  • [13:27:15] <panto> what about femoral?
  • [13:27:51] <georgem> KotH: I moved from California to Kansas when I was 12. 14400 bps modem + interwebs was about the best form of entertainment at the time/place
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  • [13:28:58] <thofra> hello there
  • [13:29:30] <thofra> I've got a problem with the hdmi-connection on monitor
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  • [13:30:47] <thofra> Hey Goge
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  • [13:31:13] <Goge> hello
  • [13:31:43] <thofra> I've got a problem with hdmi-connection. Can you help me?
  • [13:32:16] <Goge> Got my beagleboard 2 weeks ago... and maybe have 15 minutes of play time with it : (
  • [13:33:48] <thofra> Okay... But have you connected it to a monitor in this time?
  • [13:33:53] <georgem> I saw a nice personalized license plate this morning on the drive in. 'TROLLIN'
  • [13:35:05] <felipebalbi> anyone knows a good (and cheap) console server which supports SSH ?
  • [13:35:28] <georgem> felipebalbi: serial console?
  • [13:35:36] <thofra> putty
  • [13:36:14] <felipebalbi> georgem: a console server. Where I can connect many boards' serial ports to, and access the serial port via SSH, remotely, through the console server
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  • [13:37:11] <felipebalbi> the ones I found googling are over 1K EUR for 8 ports
  • [13:37:12] <georgem> felipebalbi: we sell stuff like that but its for rugged industrial use so it fails the cheap qualifier.
  • [13:37:24] <felipebalbi> right
  • [13:37:31] <georgem> felipebalbi: ours have 16 ports but they are even more
  • [13:37:31] <felipebalbi> georgem: website anyway ?
  • [13:37:48] <Goge> are they hard to make?
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  • [13:38:13] <georgem> felipebalbi: http://www.novatechweb.com/utility/orionlx/
  • [13:38:22] <felipebalbi> Goge: not really... you could probably 'emulate' one with a bunch of USB-to-serial adapters
  • [13:38:30] <felipebalbi> Goge: but a real product is likely a bit more stable
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  • [13:39:31] <felipebalbi> georgem: cool
  • [13:39:39] <felipebalbi> georgem: do they monitor solve voltage, or something ?
  • [13:39:53] <felipebalbi> oh, substation automation
  • [13:40:04] <georgem> felipebalbi: substation and industrial
  • [13:40:15] <thofra> Asked your BeagleBoneBlack for a password after starting with hdmi-connection on monitor?
  • [13:41:52] <felipebalbi> georgem: cool
  • [13:42:52] <felipebalbi> http://www.wti.com/p-170-rsm-8r8-1-console-power-hybrid-ethernet.aspx
  • [13:42:56] <felipebalbi> 1200 USD for 8 ports
  • [13:42:59] <felipebalbi> :(
  • [13:43:26] <biot> thofra: are you just private messaging everybody on #beagle?
  • [13:43:51] <thofra> just random
  • [13:44:17] <biot> don't.
  • [13:44:57] <felipebalbi> anyway, I'm gone for the day
  • [13:44:58] <felipebalbi> cheers
  • [13:45:23] <thofra> biot: why? I need an answer?
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  • [13:51:22] <Goge> is javascript bonescript stable enough to be a valid option for a build or is python Adafruit_BBIO
  • [13:51:25] <jackmitchell> thofra: if you need it that fast, hire someone
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  • [13:52:33] <thechingsw> hello all
  • [13:52:33] <Goge> if I'm looking at a MEAN, (mongo, express, angular, node) it would seem easy to stick bonescript in there.
  • [13:52:50] <thechingsw> I have something that's really bothering me
  • [13:53:02] <thechingsw> I was on here last night and thought I had it all cleared up, but now I'm back to square 1
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  • [13:55:02] <exosyst> is gpio1_7 used for the MMC?
  • [13:55:45] <thechingsw> what do I do to flash a micro sd card 64gb class 10 with Ubuntu desktop so that I can just plug and play on the beagle bone?
  • [13:56:10] <thechingsw> and I have never done that before so assistance to the technical retard would help
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  • [13:57:45] <jackmitchell> thechingsw: have you seen this: http://learn.adafruit.com/beaglebone-black-installing-operating-systems/ubuntu?
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  • [13:59:21] <jackmitchell> thechingsw: and this: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Ubuntu_On_BeagleBoard_Black?
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  • [14:00:28] <thechingsw> jack no I haven't thank you let me check into that
  • [14:00:52] <das> KotH: http://bounia.b.o.pic.centerblog.net/v6rliq0w.jpg
  • [14:02:54] <das> KotH: in exchange I'd need to know more about that omap5 smartwatch thingy ... grep'ed the logs to no avail
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  • [14:08:22] <SpeedEvil> I mentioned an omap3 smartwatch - I assume that's not what you meant
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  • [14:12:18] <dm8tbr> there is no omap5 smartwatch
  • [14:15:26] <exosyst> If a value is coming out of /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pins as "pin 7 (44e1081c) 0000031" and I've set 0x1c 0x20 in device tree - has something gone wrong or is just what the TI stuff does?
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  • [14:17:01] <exosyst> or do I seem to keep choosing bad pins, in which case HALP!!
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  • [14:19:10] <georgem> exosyst: Is this on BBB? looks like that is used for mmc1_dat7
  • [14:19:24] <exosyst> georgem, Yeah... aww are you kidding?
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  • [14:20:13] <exosyst> so no matter what I tweak with overlays/DT it's not gonna budge properly?
  • [14:21:02] <georgem> exosyst: well... you probably could change it but then the eMMC won't work. Do you care?
  • [14:21:23] <exosyst> Not overly - I will be delivering the course from NFS shares
  • [14:21:27] <exosyst> georgem, ^
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  • [14:22:11] <georgem> I'm also not sure if you'd have to remove the eMMC chip or not. I probably would
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  • [14:22:36] <georgem> probably easier to use another pin
  • [14:22:53] <exosyst> oh sod that then lol. Can you help me pick a safer pin? I have a breakout header board and *all* I want to do is get an interrupt from one and light and LED on another
  • [14:26:07] <exosyst> ideally close to GPIO1_7 as I don't have very long wires ... aaah what chaos!
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  • [14:27:39] <georgem> exosyst: Look at the list of BBB approved capes, pick a cape and look up the .dts file for the cape. Look what pinctrls its using, those pins should be safe.
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  • [14:34:46] <mranostay> morning
  • [14:34:52] <mru> moroning
  • [14:35:32] <mranostay> heh i like that
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  • [14:44:22] <mdp> mranostay, appropriate for this channel
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  • [14:45:39] <KotH> das: domo
  • [14:46:02] <KotH> das: what smartwatch?
  • [14:46:24] <KotH> salut mranostay
  • [14:46:28] <das> I dunno someone mentioned it earlier today
  • [14:46:39] <KotH> greetings mdp and alan_o
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  • [14:46:50] * KotH does not read everything here
  • [14:47:00] <alan_o> so KotH, I think regularly now about the time you said, "I wish I could convince my employer to let me replace the C preprocessor with M4"
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  • [14:47:03] * KotH has mru to do summaries
  • [14:47:17] <kfoltman> M freak' 4?
  • [14:47:21] <KotH> alan_o: hehe
  • [14:47:23] <kfoltman> who the hell would do THAT!?
  • [14:47:28] <KotH> o/
  • [14:47:30] <kfoltman> and WHY!?
  • [14:47:33] <KotH> because
  • [14:47:37] <mru> KotH: I was out most of the morning...
  • [14:47:37] <alan_o> kfoltman: anyone who wants functionality out of a preprocessor.
  • [14:47:39] <KotH> to fuck with my coworker
  • [14:47:47] <kfoltman> KotH: that's way too cruel
  • [14:47:48] <alan_o> oh, I actually want to do it
  • [14:48:04] <alan_o> There's a lot of stuff I'm running into which I wish the C preprocessor would do for me
  • [14:48:05] <kfoltman> you don't subject anybody to M4 if they're not like, Hitler
  • [14:48:20] <kfoltman> alan_o: have you seen that "preprocessor tricks" page someone put up lately?
  • [14:48:23] <kfoltman> on github
  • [14:48:23] <KotH> mru: doesnt matter, there is no entry in 54, so nothing important happend, apperantly ;)
  • [14:48:26] <mru> you can do a lot more with the C preprocessor once you embrace recursive #include
  • [14:48:41] <alan_o> kfoltman: if you read the documentation and try to learn it like you would an acutal programming language, instead of just trying to pick at code others have made, it's quite nice and functional.
  • [14:48:44] <KotH> mru: is the c preprocessor turing complete? i think not
  • [14:49:08] <mru> I don't think it is
  • [14:49:09] <alan_o> kfoltman: that's not a personal attack, but it's the way most have experience with m4.
  • [14:49:09] <KotH> alan_o: and after you got your head around what gets replaced when :)
  • [14:49:33] <alan_o> I'm no M4 expert, but I've come to appreciate it.
  • [14:49:35] <mru> most people have only seen m4 as used by autoconf
  • [14:49:40] <mru> and to some extent sendmail
  • [14:49:46] <mru> both are quite horrible
  • [14:49:51] <kfoltman> alan_o: well, if I have to learn a new programming language, I'd rather pick one that's... not M4 :)
  • [14:49:58] <alan_o> mru: I'm not willing to use recursive #include. That's a bit over my line :)
  • [14:50:09] <mru> your loss
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  • [14:50:33] <KotH> alan_o: i first started with m4 to use with the circuit macros package to draw circuit diagrams for latex (or rather program them)... it took me a couple of weeks until i wrote makefile generators with m4 :)
  • [14:50:34] <alan_o> kfoltman: that's fine. Do all your code in python then. No preprocessor to use^H^H^H worry about
  • [14:50:59] <kfoltman> alan_o: well, there are metaclasses
  • [14:51:04] <mru> if only all the world used lisp
  • [14:51:13] <kfoltman> not the same as preprocessor, but can also be fairly head-wrecking
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  • [14:51:24] <KotH> http://xkcd.com/297/
  • [14:51:25] <georgem> heh
  • [14:51:31] <mru> http://xkcd.com/224/
  • [14:51:38] <das> mru: wouldn't there be a worlwide shortage of parenthesis at some point ?
  • [14:51:49] <KotH> mru: *g*
  • [14:52:09] <alan_o> KotH, mru: those two immediately came to mind :)
  • [14:53:07] <KotH> alan_o: go ahead with m4, you have my blessing
  • [14:53:14] <exosyst> How do i remove a cape from capemgr? I see instructions but they depend on perl for a regex (wtf?)
  • [14:53:22] <KotH> alan_o: and dont listen to those infidels, who have not seen the light yet ;)
  • [14:53:34] <mru> KotH: it's perl that has a notion of blessing
  • [14:53:38] <georgem> Good book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Little-Schemer-4th-Edition/dp/0262560992
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  • [14:54:06] <KotH> georgem: i somehow never got to learning any lisp/scheme like language
  • [14:54:13] <KotH> georgem: reading them is a total PITA
  • [14:54:55] <KotH> georgem: otoh, it took me about 3 weeks to get erlang to a suficient level...
  • [14:55:24] <KotH> mru: how is m4 perl?
  • [14:55:26] <georgem> KotH: yeah... I learned enough about functional languages to realize they are useful/cool for stuff I don't usually do.
  • [14:55:38] <mru> KotH: it's not
  • [14:55:45] <mru> but in perl you can bless things
  • [14:55:54] <KotH> ah..
  • [14:55:56] <KotH> ok
  • [14:56:20] <KotH> me brain, seems to have a shortage on chocolate supply
  • [14:56:49] <alan_o> exosyst: So someone asked that a while ago, panto gave them an answer, I told that person to add it to the elinux wiki at http://elinux.org/Capemgr but they instead put a couple lines at the end of http://elinux.org/BeagleBone#Device_Tree. Do what's in those two lines, then remove them and put them in the CapeMgr page :)
  • [14:57:49] <alan_o> exosyst: those two lines are worse than I thought. Ugh
  • [14:58:00] <panto> alan_o, link?
  • [14:58:18] <panto> I put those there
  • [14:58:23] <panto> I don't know where to put them really
  • [14:58:29] <alan_o> panto: no
  • [14:58:53] <alan_o> there's two lines or so at the bottom of the #Device_Tree section.
  • [14:59:20] <exosyst> panto, alan_o Well a start would be to get jadonk to update his test-capemgr page on github :-/
  • [14:59:44] <exosyst> That's where I'm cribbing from and that perl thing in there is sill given that it's just echo -<slot num> > $SLOTS
  • [14:59:47] <KotH> exosyst: send him something he desires
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  • [15:00:08] <KotH> exosyst: at least it's blessed ;)
  • [15:00:09] <alan_o> panto: shabaz was the guy's name.
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  • [15:00:45] <alan_o> exosyst: not sure what cribbing is, but check out the CapeMgr page, and do the echo -<slot-num> to the slots file.
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  • [15:02:01] <alan_o> Cribbing (US) or crib biting (UK) is an abnormal, compulsive behavior or stereotypy seen in some horses, and considered a stable vice.
  • [15:02:10] <alan_o> hmm probably not that one....
  • [15:02:35] <exosyst> alan_o, I meant using for knowledge ala crib sheet
  • [15:03:02] <alan_o> urban dictionary: To complain. A mild form of whining. - Hey, I do plenty of that :)
  • [15:04:51] <alan_o> exosyst: if you don't mind, giving us some plain english crib text on http://elinux.org/Capemgr would be much appreciated.
  • [15:05:07] <alan_o> bbl food
  • [15:05:15] <KotH> en guete
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  • [15:07:43] <exosyst> alan_o, I can take a looky assuming you weren't being facetious :D
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  • [15:20:07] <pb__> anyone used a BBB for a CNC controller?
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  • [15:26:00] <das> rofl ... there's an official script here that does 'git svn clone $whatever' because ppl don't know how to do that manually
  • [15:26:33] <mru> exactsteps ftw
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  • [15:29:05] <KotH> das: i've seen worse
  • [15:29:34] <das> KotH: you've been in 'nam ?
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  • [15:29:51] <KotH> das: $CIT dummbed our internally used makefiles down, because they were "hard to understand" and "you should keep things simple enough so everyone can understand them"
  • [15:30:02] <KotH> das: where or what is 'nam?
  • [15:30:10] <das> vietnam
  • [15:30:29] <KotH> das: no, .ch is enough
  • [15:30:38] <KotH> and at least we have good chocolate
  • [15:31:06] <das> you've been in 'nam usually means you've fought there against vietcongs back in 70s or smth
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  • [15:31:51] <KotH> iirc there were turkish troops in the korean war, but not in vietnam
  • [15:33:17] * panto reads about the .uk 'heat wave'
  • [15:33:26] <panto> 31C
  • [15:33:29] <panto> lol
  • [15:34:15] <das> hah ... at least the internal official documentation doesn't explain how emacs works because "We've already seen how vim works"
  • [15:35:40] <das> and ... oh god they customized zsh with colors and fireworks ... my eyes
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  • [15:36:43] <jackmitchell> panto: it's hot for us brits!
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  • [15:36:59] <panto> 31C? really?
  • [15:37:10] <jackmitchell> yeah man, it was probably 21C last week!
  • [15:37:20] <jackmitchell> and we were calling that hot!
  • [15:37:30] <pb__> 31c? Thats what we call winter here in Texas.
  • [15:40:35] <KotH> panto: once upon a time, in a galaxy far away, i went to hiroshima in summer. and met there a couple of students who were there for the un youth assembly. the guy was a greek the girl a norwegian. the greek and me made a few comments, that the temp in hiorshima wasnt bad, it was just way too humid. the girl couldnt understand us at all :)
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  • [15:40:52] <panto> yes
  • [15:41:07] <panto> heat is fine, it's the humidity that's bad
  • [15:41:24] <panto> florida is pretty bad that way
  • [15:41:31] <panto> isn't it so mr alan_o ?
  • [15:42:18] <mru> here in southampton is unusually hot, but only uncomfortable if you have to work in the sun or so
  • [15:43:15] <kilroi> want to compile bip-0.8.8 irc bouncer for beaglebone black under Angstrom. ./configure runs without complaints. make dies with "/bin/sh ./ylwrap src/conf.y y.tab.c src/conf.c y.tab.h src/conf.h y.output src/conf.output -- bison -y -d". No output is generated by Bison. Someone has an idea whats going on?
  • [15:44:12] <panto> I would expect you'd enjoy a bit of nice weather for a change
  • [15:44:44] <jackmitchell> I am enjoying it, but I would still definitely call it a heat wave
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  • [15:45:19] <mru> a period with significantly above-normal temperature is a heat wave
  • [15:45:34] <mru> the absolute temperature of a heat wave varies between regions
  • [15:46:14] <georgem> 35C here today, 37C tomorrow
  • [15:46:18] <panto> using that definition any extended period with temps over 0C is a heatwave in Antarctica
  • [15:46:42] <mru> do you have a problem with that?
  • [15:47:45] <panto> there's a human element to it
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  • [15:48:13] <panto> perhaps the definition should include us bags of water definition of what's hot and uncomfortable
  • [15:48:46] <mru> that's subjective
  • [15:48:54] <panto> life is
  • [15:48:59] <mru> and also depends on many other factors
  • [15:49:09] <mru> like building style
  • [15:49:49] <georgem> When your trousers start dripping from the sweat thats hot :)
  • [15:49:55] <panto> I give you that
  • [15:50:02] <panto> but, georgem +1
  • [15:50:28] <mru> some buildings trap heat, others stay naturally cooler
  • [15:50:37] <mru> more sweat drips in the former
  • [15:51:17] <Russ> yes, I was in portland during a heatwave
  • [15:51:20] <Russ> I was so confused
  • [15:51:49] <Russ> hold on, let me put that in quotes, during a "heatwave"
  • [15:51:58] <panto> heh
  • [15:52:15] <panto> perhaps the heat is more apparent when you're stoned and unicycling
  • [15:52:32] <Russ> local news was all about what people are doing to "cool off"
  • [15:53:16] <SpeedEvil> With pictures of photogenic locals, one assumes.
  • [15:53:20] <Russ> yup
  • [15:53:31] <Russ> also see, 'portland "crimewave"'
  • [15:53:40] <SpeedEvil> If you get thirsty - http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/07/18/1251243/swedish-machine-turns-sweat-into-drinking-water
  • [15:54:02] <panto> SpeedEvil, how about no
  • [15:55:22] <mru> panto: they have much worse machines on the space station
  • [15:56:09] <panto> yes they do, but I'm not on the space station and relying on it's urine purification unit for survival
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  • [15:56:59] <georgem> I complained to someone about the "heat" once and he gave me a nice account of marching all day in full kit in the blazing sun while in Afghanistan. I shutup.
  • [15:57:41] <exosyst> I finally got it sorted. Added an entry to the device tree and moved to GPIO1_13 for my interrupts. Also played with pinmgr and DT overlays.
  • [15:57:50] <exosyst> What a fun two days... or something
  • [15:58:51] <mdp> Russ, I imagine shots of "very fit" people in whitebeater T-shirts sitting in a baby pool to cool off
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  • [16:10:49] <pb__> Baby pool? Cmon, its a tarp in the back of a pickup truck.
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  • [16:13:46] <mranostay> georgem: cats and motorcycles ftw :)
  • [16:14:09] <georgem> mranostay: ha, thought you'd like that.
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  • [16:17:29] <mranostay> Russ: yeah portland 'heatwaves' are funny :)
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  • [16:19:28] <mranostay> mdp: you know you aren't far off their this fountain next to my apartment
  • [16:20:00] <mranostay> not sure i'd want to cool down where the homeless bathe exactly
  • [16:20:10] <mdp> snob
  • [16:20:17] <kfoltman> homeless bathe?
  • [16:20:25] <mranostay> kfoltman: rarely
  • [16:20:42] * mranostay enjoys that Portland doesn't enforce their camping ban
  • [16:21:06] <mranostay> there is a full block of homeless at the City Hall
  • [16:21:46] <pb__> is portland have one of the highest rates of homelessness? or is that just for teens.
  • [16:21:58] <pb__> is=doesnt...type fail
  • [16:22:05] <mranostay> pb__: it is
  • [16:22:14] <mranostay> less crazy homeless than SF at less
  • [16:22:29] <Spirilis> just young folks retiring on the streets?
  • [16:22:29] <pb__> Well, SF is hard to beat on that one
  • [16:22:33] <georgem> Yeah. SF is pretty much homeless capital
  • [16:23:18] <pb__> Spirilis, if I remember the article correctly, it was a large chunk of homosexual youth + HIV and drug issues
  • [16:23:48] <mranostay> no young folks that are a burden on the working people
  • [16:23:49] <pb__> also had a huge mortality rate compared to other HIV positive populations
  • [16:23:52] <Spirilis> I read they have a pretty bad high school dropout rate
  • [16:24:30] <georgem> A lot of kids get bored of living with their parents, take a road trip with their friends, run out of money and end up hanging out as homeless people until they get tired of it and have their parents send them a plane ticket home.
  • [16:25:18] <mranostay> at least they stay over in the more weird part of the city
  • [16:25:37] <pb__> Sounds like the south side of Austin :)
  • [16:26:01] <mranostay> more enablers over there i gather
  • [16:26:55] <georgem> In SF a lot of them hangout near/in golden gate park near the lower Haight. My cousin lives there (he has an apartment though).
  • [16:27:07] <pb__> I lived just north of SF for a long time
  • [16:27:23] <pb__> they are all over. But for sure Golden Gate is a huge congregation.
  • [16:27:38] <georgem> I lived south of it until I was 12, but visit yearly.
  • [16:27:49] <mranostay> heh
  • [16:28:04] <mranostay> georgem: do you have to get a exit visa to leave Kansas?
  • [16:28:30] <djlewis> he just rides a tornado
  • [16:29:03] <mranostay> portland would get behind that
  • [16:29:07] <mranostay> green transport
  • [16:29:11] <georgem> mranostay: You should... And they should probably take away things like books and give you guns.
  • [16:29:41] <georgem> and bibles
  • [16:29:50] <mdp> +1
  • [16:30:21] <mru> implying the bible is not a book
  • [16:30:22] <mdp> mranostay, you remind me why I'm happy here in the Heartland ;)
  • [16:30:22] * mru likes
  • [16:30:30] <pb__> If im running cron and have sudo installed, do I need to put sudo in the command lines for scheduling?
  • [16:30:46] <mdp> mru, I think it's an assertion that I find troubling
  • [16:31:11] <exosyst> pb__, You shouldn't need to. Depends what user your running cron as - usually it's admin level though
  • [16:31:20] <exosyst> *you're
  • [16:31:29] <pb__> Ok, I am running it as root
  • [16:31:37] <pb__> least I'm logged in as root when I set it up
  • [16:31:45] <exosyst> try it?
  • [16:31:48] <mru> any half-decent cron can run jobs as any user
  • [16:31:59] <pb__> I'm just using it to restart samba
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  • [16:32:17] <pb__> but...well...you know how sudo is.
  • [16:32:23] <mru> and it's a good idea to run cron jobs with the least privileges possible
  • [16:32:24] <pb__> its like the damn user account control on win 7
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  • [16:41:24] <mranostay> mru: #rootallthings
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  • [16:41:56] <uberushaximus> #yolo #userooterrdeh
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  • [16:42:16] <mru> you obviously like owls?
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  • [16:42:53] <georgem> I saw one this morning on a bike ride. Quite a beauty to behold.
  • [16:43:33] <KotH> does anyone here have connections to moscow and could arrange snowden to be killed?
  • [16:43:47] <mru> uh... why?
  • [16:43:48] * KotH would like to read what secrets the cia has
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  • [16:43:58] <KotH> and it would end this horrible story
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  • [16:44:08] <georgem> KotH: I don't you need connections in Russia to get people killed
  • [16:44:09] <KotH> mru: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/snowden-dead-mans-switch/
  • [16:44:19] <georgem> think*
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  • [16:44:25] <mru> does have to be actually dead or just assumed dead?
  • [16:44:44] <KotH> georgem: i think, not having connections means certain death in moscow
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  • [16:45:02] <KotH> mru: i think faked death is good enough
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  • [16:50:48] * djlewis jaw is waking after a lower wisdom tooth extraction.
  • [16:50:56] <djlewis> Th:)
  • [16:51:29] <KotH> i dont think you want your jaw waking up
  • [16:51:30] <KotH> not yet
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  • [16:52:11] <pb__> +1
  • [16:52:13] <kfoltman> +1
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  • [16:54:00] <djlewis> yeah, i know. its been 2 hours
  • [16:54:25] * djlewis gets the impression several have had the experience.
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  • [16:55:10] * SpeedEvil was about to say that that's very racist, then reread.
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  • [17:24:39] <Russ> really dumb snowden move. If you have a deadman's switch, let the us government know, but not the world
  • [17:26:21] <Russ> does it not occur to him that its a huge motivation for anyone who wants that information to kill him?
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  • [17:35:20] <Interrupcc> hello
  • [17:35:49] <Interrupcc> anything know how create a callback function for GPIO interrup?
  • [17:35:52] <Interrupcc> in C
  • [17:41:32] <mranostay> djlewis: get any fun drugs?
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  • [17:42:19] <shapes> hello
  • [17:42:39] <dgilmore> win 38
  • [17:42:52] <mranostay> dgilmore: fail!
  • [17:43:00] <mranostay> and that is too many windows :)
  • [17:43:30] <Russ> maybe it's a winchester
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  • [17:45:11] <mranostay> god why can't google not f*** up gmail
  • [17:49:46] <dgilmore> mranostay: story of my life
  • [17:50:07] <dgilmore> mranostay: i have something like 60 or 70
  • [17:50:13] <kfoltman> "win 38 beagleboards black!"
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  • [17:54:00] <djlewis> mranostay: i havent taken yet, hydrocodone-ibuprofen
  • [17:54:18] <Russ> bah, your doctor clearly hates you
  • [17:54:27] <georgem> yay, with a threaded irq handler I can call sync spi functions. Thought I was going to have to use spi_async.
  • [17:54:58] <mranostay> djlewis: no vicoden?
  • [17:55:00] <Russ> course, I suppose it depends on how functional you need to be
  • [17:55:13] <mranostay> which ironically did nothing for me
  • [17:55:16] <Russ> mranostay, that basically is vicoden
  • [17:55:17] <djlewis> yep, I spose so. I dont recall taking any drugs for any of my dental surgery over the years
  • [17:55:28] <mranostay> Russ: oh right
  • [17:55:55] <Russ> something like percocet is what I would have requested
  • [17:55:58] <mranostay> i forget they make it mostly IB and a little hydrocodone so you can't get high off it :)
  • [17:56:15] <mranostay> djlewis: all 4? or just 2?
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  • [17:56:36] <djlewis> mranostay: I still have three wisdom teeth
  • [17:56:38] <Russ> its usually acetaminophen since that kills your liver faster
  • [17:56:40] * mranostay wonders how much $$$$ has gone into his teeth
  • [17:57:04] <kfoltman> you're in the US, right? so, loads and loads
  • [17:57:33] <Russ> you pay for dental care no matter what country you are in (assuming you actually make money)
  • [17:57:37] <mranostay> kfoltman: braces, wisdom teeth pulled, countless fillings
  • [17:57:51] <mranostay> Russ: no it is 'free healthcare' :P
  • [17:58:24] <kfoltman> Russ: sure, it's just that everywhere else people don't go bankrupt over medical costs en masse
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  • [18:01:01] <Guest37044> Hi I have a question about BeagleBoard-xM, Is this platform support linux sleep mode, that could it suspend all processes to RAM and sleep
  • [18:01:05] <Guest37044> Thanks
  • [18:02:15] <Russ> yes
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  • [18:07:33] <Guest37044> More details about BeagleBoard-xM's sleep mode, How about its power consumption in sleep mode. As far as I know, Android smartphone's power consumption could be under 10mA in sleep mode
  • [18:07:38] <SpeedEvil> not as I understand it at very low power though
  • [18:09:24] <Russ> you can get numbers around that, but you have to do hardware mods
  • [18:09:37] <SpeedEvil> I've never heard anyone say it uses under 100ma in any condition
  • [18:10:01] <Russ> mine does 8mW
  • [18:10:14] <SpeedEvil> :-)
  • [18:10:31] <SpeedEvil> what mods?
  • [18:11:00] <SpeedEvil> and is this just off, or idle too?
  • [18:11:03] <Russ> let me see, I have pics
  • [18:11:08] <Russ> off mode
  • [18:11:23] <KotH> alaska seems to have found the solution to bad politicians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stubbs_%28cat%29
  • [18:12:27] <SpeedEvil> :-)
  • [18:12:58] <KotH> djlewis: i never had the experience, but i grew up in a family of doctors, nurses and dentists
  • [18:13:10] <KotH> djlewis: i have seen _pain_
  • [18:13:11] <Russ> DVI and RS232 LDO wired up to REGEN signal so they can be turned off during suspend
  • [18:13:32] <Russ> power LED wired up to same 3.3V source so it's off during sleep
  • [18:13:52] <Russ> clock disable wired up
  • [18:13:58] <Russ> and a new oscillator
  • [18:14:16] <SpeedEvil> Russ: so not that bad, but hardly trivial
  • [18:16:15] <Russ> http://i.imgur.com/dL69nhU.jpg http://i.imgur.com/CuMz39Z.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PDstUKm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/cg1Fcbn.jpg
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  • [18:18:43] <Interrupcc> hello
  • [18:18:50] <Russ> I think before hardware modes I was at around 80mW, which is still well below 100mA
  • [18:18:57] <Interrupcc> i need to read a sensor
  • [18:19:16] <KotH> SpeedEvil: i'd say this looks trivial :)
  • [18:19:18] <Interrupcc> the comunication is with egde
  • [18:19:46] <SpeedEvil> KotH: not for most
  • [18:19:46] <Interrupcc> i have to mesure the time betwen two egde
  • [18:19:48] <KotH> Interrupcc: you need a cell phone for this
  • [18:19:58] <Interrupcc> if the time is > 150 us is 0
  • [18:20:00] <KotH> oh.. the other edge
  • [18:20:08] <KotH> Interrupcc: you have capture compare units, use those
  • [18:20:22] <Interrupcc> if the time is < 100 is 1
  • [18:20:29] <Interrupcc> i do it with polling
  • [18:20:30] <KotH> Interrupcc: read TRM for more information
  • [18:20:30] <KotH> Interrupcc: send chocolate for more help
  • [18:20:34] <SpeedEvil> no, he doesn't need a cellphone
  • [18:20:36] <Interrupcc> i read the GPIO
  • [18:20:48] <SpeedEvil> but a small avr and a GPRS module
  • [18:21:14] <Interrupcc> and detect the falling and rising
  • [18:21:20] <Russ> you might need to use the pru depending on how accurate you need it to be
  • [18:21:27] <KotH> SpeedEvil: well.. i tought "communicating? EDGE? like Enhanced Data rates for GSM Evolution?"
  • [18:21:30] <KotH> SpeedEvil: well...
  • [18:21:37] <KotH> SpeedEvil: gprs modules are hardly small
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  • [18:21:51] <SpeedEvil> though if I was to be silly I would now note that the n900 external SD card can be switched to gpio
  • [18:21:52] <KotH> Russ: wouldnt the caputre compare be easier?
  • [18:22:05] <Interrupcc> but the problem is that eventualy i lost 1 or 2 edge
  • [18:22:11] <SpeedEvil> sure they are small. 30*30*4mm or so is typical
  • [18:22:12] <Russ> suppose it would be
  • [18:22:29] <Interrupcc> i see the signal with osciloscopio
  • [18:22:30] <Russ> I don't think there is a userspace interface to that
  • [18:22:32] <KotH> Interrupcc: dont do it in hardare, use capture compare
  • [18:22:36] <KotH> er..
  • [18:22:40] <KotH> Interrupcc: dont do it in software, use capture compare
  • [18:22:55] <KotH> Russ: a tiny bit of kernel programming and you're done :)
  • [18:22:55] <Interrupcc> and the operate system have more prioridad than my program
  • [18:23:06] <Interrupcc> ok
  • [18:23:09] <Interrupcc> capture compare
  • [18:23:12] <Interrupcc> in C?
  • [18:23:15] <Interrupcc> under Linux?
  • [18:23:39] <KotH> Interrupcc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_capture
  • [18:24:01] <KotH> 20:20 < KotH> Interrupcc: you have capture compare units, use those
  • [18:24:02] <KotH> 20:20 < KotH> Interrupcc: read TRM for more information
  • [18:24:02] <KotH> 20:20 < KotH> Interrupcc: send chocolate for more help
  • [18:24:24] <Russ> KotH, you might want to be more specific, since the string "capture compare" doesn't appear in the TRM
  • [18:25:06] <alan_o> How about Input Capture Output Compare
  • [18:25:18] <alan_o> I suppose I could look myself :)
  • [18:25:35] <Interrupcc> ok
  • [18:25:37] <Interrupcc> i undertand
  • [18:25:39] <Interrupcc> but
  • [18:25:43] <KotH> Russ: oh.. well...
  • [18:25:44] <alan_o> no buts
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  • [18:25:51] <KotH> Russ: i dont know the TRM by heart
  • [18:25:53] <Interrupcc> how can i programe the callback function?
  • [18:25:57] <Russ> you need the PWMSS
  • [18:25:58] <KotH> Russ: never read all of it
  • [18:26:03] <Interrupcc> for read the timestamp
  • [18:26:09] <Russ> just read chapter 15, that's your homework
  • [18:26:52] <Interrupcc> chapter 15?
  • [18:27:23] <Interrupcc> any example for program interrup in beaglebone black?
  • [18:27:25] <Interrupcc> en C
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  • [18:27:32] <KotH> Interrupcc: in which year are you?
  • [18:27:39] <KotH> Interrupcc: first?
  • [18:27:42] <KotH> Interrupcc: second?
  • [18:27:54] <Interrupcc> 2013
  • [18:28:03] <KotH> Interrupcc: at your university course
  • [18:28:09] <Interrupcc> i finish
  • [18:28:15] <KotH> oh..kay...
  • [18:28:35] <KotH> Interrupcc: then you have missed all those lectures about this thing called "reading"
  • [18:28:39] <alan_o> Interrupcc: You don't just get an interrupt function called from userspace.
  • [18:28:55] <alan_o> Interrupcc: interrupt is a hardware concept, handled in the kernel.
  • [18:29:10] <Interrupcc> yes i undertand alan_0
  • [18:29:17] <alan_o> Interrupcc: if you want to learn about interrupts, read Linux Device Drivers, 3rd Edition.
  • [18:29:34] <alan_o> Interrupcc: so what's the question?
  • [18:29:35] <Interrupcc> but it the same of GPIO, the people do it with comand line
  • [18:29:43] <Russ> but really, depending on what you are doing, you want to leverage the pwm subsystem, or the prus
  • [18:29:47] <Interrupcc> i read or write directi the register
  • [18:29:49] <Russ> that'll give you accurate times
  • [18:29:52] <Interrupcc> with memory map
  • [18:29:58] <alan_o> Interrupcc: don't read directly the registers with memory map
  • [18:29:59] <Interrupcc> it is more fast
  • [18:30:16] * KotH shakes had and leaves to clean the kitchen
  • [18:30:21] <alan_o> Interrupcc: it shouldn't matter how fast GPIO is, unless you're bit-banging a protocol, which you shouldn't be doing.
  • [18:30:31] <Russ> that doesn't really give you any advantages in userspace because you'll get pre-empted anyway
  • [18:30:35] <Interrupcc> i need us timer
  • [18:30:41] <Interrupcc> 10 us
  • [18:30:45] <Russ> ok
  • [18:30:46] <Russ> listen
  • [18:30:52] <alan_o> Interrupcc: you're not going to get that from userspace anyway, gpio. or memory map or not.
  • [18:30:55] <Russ> "depending on what you are doing, you want to leverage the pwm subsystem, or the prus"
  • [18:31:06] <Russ> that's what those are for
  • [18:31:16] <alan_o> ^^ and/or the Input capture/output compare
  • [18:31:24] <Russ> alan_o, that's pwmss
  • [18:31:37] <Interrupcc> the system work well, but i have the problem 1 times or 2 times
  • [18:32:03] <Russ> clearly you are too far advanced for us to help you
  • [18:32:04] <alan_o> Interrupcc: do you believe the hardware to be failing?
  • [18:32:24] <alan_o> Interrupcc: or do you believe there's a race condition in your code?
  • [18:32:33] <Interrupcc> i want to read this sensor http://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/datasheets/Sensors/Weather/RHT03.pdf
  • [18:33:58] <Interrupcc> there is my problem
  • [18:34:09] <Interrupcc> the time of read is to low
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  • [18:34:41] <Interrupcc> read the sensor with command line is not posible
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  • [18:35:06] <Interrupcc> so, for the moment i can send the start signal and read more or less the byte
  • [18:35:10] <Interrupcc> the bits
  • [18:35:23] <Interrupcc> but 1 or 2 times fail
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  • [18:35:33] <Russ> ok, you are trying to bitbang a proprietary 1-wire protocol
  • [18:35:44] <Interrupcc> beacause the kernel linux have more priority than my process
  • [18:35:47] <Russ> I think you need to use the pru
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  • [18:35:57] <Interrupcc> and lost 1 or 2 edge
  • [18:36:22] <Russ> why on earth did you buy a sensor that uses a proprietary 1-wire interface?
  • [18:36:40] <alan_o> Interrupcc: what I would recommend, is to instead use a sensor which speaks a protocol that the Beagle has built-in peripheral hardware to communicate with.
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  • [18:36:45] <Interrupcc> i don??t know....
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  • [18:37:11] <alan_o> Interrupcc: for $10 you could probably get something similar which has SPI/i2c/uart and be much closer to being done.
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  • [18:37:36] <Interrupcc> so, this problem don??t have solutions?
  • [18:37:39] <alan_o> Sometimes boring stuff like hardware selection can be the most important part of engineering :)
  • [18:37:43] <joergsh> hello
  • [18:37:51] <Spirilis> those kinds of sensors are used in arduino land I think
  • [18:37:53] <Russ> your problem is that you'd like to measure humidity
  • [18:38:11] <Russ> you can program learn to program the beaglebone pru to speak this one wire protocol
  • [18:38:25] <Russ> or you can buy a sensor that speaks a protocol the beaglebone already understands
  • [18:38:28] <alan_o> Interrupcc: Lots of things are possible. As Russ keeps saying, use the PRU and make it happen, if you want a challenging exercise. If you want something to work quickly, get something better supported.
  • [18:38:29] <Russ> so you have two solutions
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  • [18:38:47] <Interrupcc> i prefer program
  • [18:38:55] <Interrupcc> i don??t want to buy other sensor
  • [18:38:58] <centraldetaxis> hi!
  • [18:38:59] <alan_o> Interrupcc: then read the chapter on the PRU :)
  • [18:39:02] <Interrupcc> pru is the solution
  • [18:39:05] <Interrupcc> link?
  • [18:39:12] <Interrupcc> ok
  • [18:39:16] <Russ> alan_o, have you checked the trm lately? there isn't a pru chapter
  • [18:39:23] <centraldetaxis> av500: Just connected thru usb cable android to BBB!!! Yes!
  • [18:39:26] <Russ> well there is, but it's one page long
  • [18:39:42] <centraldetaxis> av500: using ubuntu 13.04
  • [18:39:53] <Interrupcc> Russ link?
  • [18:40:03] <Russ> Interrupcc, plenty of great weblinks when you google beaglebone pru
  • [18:40:04] <Interrupcc> for read pru
  • [18:40:05] <alan_o> Russ: no, hehe :) I made the assumption. Well then Interrupcc, get on google and find some info on the PRU.
  • [18:40:09] <Interrupcc> ol
  • [18:40:11] <Interrupcc> ok
  • [18:40:38] <joergsh> someone can help me with wlan on ubuntu 12.04 i do a static ip thats work. the problem is a second ip over dhcp is taken too
  • [18:41:07] <joergsh> and one board with 2 ip is not so nice ;)
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  • [18:42:12] <Guest37044> Hi Russ, If I don't modify the hardware, How low power consumption I could do with BBB? Thanks
  • [18:42:45] <Russ> I thought you were asking about xM?
  • [18:44:46] <Guest37044> Yes
  • [18:45:20] <Guest37044> and BeagleBone Black
  • [18:48:08] <Russ> they are two very different boards with very different SoCs
  • [18:48:48] <Russ> technically, you can get the BBB very low using RTC-only suspend, but that isn't supported in mainline currently
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  • [18:49:52] <KotH> joergsh: disable network manager
  • [18:50:08] <KotH> joergsh: but i guess #ubuntu would be a better place to ask this type of question
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  • [18:52:15] <KotH> meh next ISCAS is in melburne..... sometimes i wonder why i didnt go into research, then i would have the uni paying for my trips around the world
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  • [18:53:53] <Russ> suspend numbers on bbb shouldn't be too bad
  • [18:54:07] <Guest37044> Hi Russ, If I suspend-to-RAM BBB it will consume very low and could be wake up by rtc interruption just like Android smartphone?
  • [18:54:23] <Russ> rtc-only on bbb has a very limited number of wake sources
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  • [18:55:07] <Russ> if you just need a power button or rtc type wake, you'll be fine
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  • [18:56:32] <Guest37044> yes I just need BBB's power management like smartphone, could be suspend to RAM and wake up by power button or RTC interruption
  • [18:56:54] <Russ> ok, smartphones have a lot more wake sources than that afaik
  • [18:58:49] <joergsh> KotH: on my x86 ubuntu it works without problem... only on arm do that how to disable networkmanager?
  • [18:59:09] <KotH> joergsh: no idea
  • [18:59:13] <KotH> joergsh: i dont use it
  • [18:59:37] <KotH> joergsh: if the same works fine on your x86.. then it's maybe not the network manager
  • [18:59:44] <KotH> joergsh: as i said, ask in ubuntu
  • [19:00:06] <KotH> joergsh: it's most likely that different (user space) systems interfere in setting up the network interface
  • [19:00:12] <joergsh> ok i will try there
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  • [19:34:48] <mranostay> KotH: thanks for the Hersheys
  • [19:35:00] <KotH> you are welcome
  • [19:36:47] * georgem is starting to think the "mf" in "mfd" doesn't stand for multi function
  • [19:37:47] <KotH> and the d for device?
  • [19:37:54] <mranostay> +1
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  • [19:38:57] <Shadyman> highfive, georgem
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  • [19:39:45] * mranostay makes some chocolate beer
  • [19:39:50] * mranostay hands to KotH
  • [19:39:56] <vaizki__> arr
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  • [19:47:15] <mranostay> KotH: do they make chocolate sparkling wine?
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  • [20:01:55] <panto> av500, around?
  • [20:04:27] <KotH> mranostay: yes we have that, it's right next to the chocolate foutain
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  • [20:19:36] <KotH> mranostay: do youngsters these days know the difference between a cosmonaut and an astronaut?
  • [20:20:02] <georgem> Hopefully
  • [20:20:26] * KotH wouldnt be so sure
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  • [20:21:02] <KotH> i mean, it's a difference that has no meaning in this world anymore
  • [20:21:07] <georgem> KotH: Aren't they all kind of cosmonauts these days anyway.
  • [20:21:15] <gui_> yay!
  • [20:21:26] <gui_> go my SPI working :D
  • [20:21:28] <gui_> got*
  • [20:22:52] <georgem> KotH: Until everyone stops relying on Soyuz anyway...
  • [20:22:59] <KotH> *g*
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  • [20:23:24] <gui_> can I ask one last silly question (for a while)?
  • [20:24:20] <KotH> you asked your question alraeady
  • [20:24:50] <gui_> :P I want to backup my emmc, so I "dd if=/mmcblk1 of=/some/path/file.img"
  • [20:25:12] <gui_> in the end, my image is 1.5G, but the drive itself is 1.8G
  • [20:25:38] <gui_> how's this?
  • [20:26:27] <georgem> gui_: it shouldn't be
  • [20:26:43] <gui_> should I dd again?
  • [20:27:35] <gui_> oops, there's an error I didn't catch
  • [20:27:39] <georgem> Not enough details... What are you dding the image to. Does it have enough free space
  • [20:27:48] <georgem> :)
  • [20:27:58] <gui_> no space left
  • [20:28:13] <gui_> I'm copying it to an empty sd card plugged into USB
  • [20:28:26] <gui_> it's 4GB formatted as fat32
  • [20:29:00] <gui_> afaik, fat32 can handle files up to 4GB, right?
  • [20:29:02] <mranostay> cosmonauts are commie astronauts right?
  • [20:29:13] <georgem> mranostay: yup
  • [20:29:51] <KotH> mranostay: is that still common knowledge?
  • [20:30:00] <mranostay> i think so
  • [20:31:09] <georgem> Ever seen the movie Borat? Kazakhstan is where all of our astronauts are launched to the ISS now :(
  • [20:31:53] <KotH> well, at least tehy still have a space program ;)
  • [20:32:04] <gui_> I'm so idiot... I forgot to mount the drive
  • [20:32:08] <mranostay> KotH: bite me
  • [20:32:23] <georgem> KotH: Thats the sad part
  • [20:32:23] * mranostay kicks on Team America theme
  • [20:32:24] <KotH> sorry, you are not hellal
  • [20:32:36] <georgem> heh. Love that song
  • [20:33:35] <georgem> Its okay, Space X will fix it
  • [20:34:30] <gui_> look at that: Brazilian government has just opened their official social network
  • [20:34:42] <gui_> and there's already a anti-Dilma community
  • [20:35:20] <KotH> georgem: i just hope japanese take over...because then we'll send 14y old girls into space to save humanity from a dire fate :-)
  • [20:35:39] <flufmnstr> das__ my fav is this image edited with a folder labeled 'porn' in his line of sight. http://cache.desktopnexus.com/thumbnails/258260-bigthumbnail.jpg
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  • [20:36:02] <flufmnstr> whoa, disregard that. ultra mega scroll back
  • [20:36:28] <georgem> KotH: Sounds like the start of an Anime
  • [20:37:12] <KotH> georgem: half of the space anime start of like that
  • [20:37:13] <KotH> :)
  • [20:37:16] <georgem> :)
  • [20:37:17] <mranostay> gui_: what is the brazil equiv of the NSA? :)
  • [20:37:31] <gui_> idk
  • [20:37:35] <gui_> what does NSA stand for?
  • [20:37:42] <KotH> no such agency
  • [20:37:46] <mranostay> dammit KotH
  • [20:37:48] <gui_> haha
  • [20:38:02] <KotH> mranostay: you're too slow ;)
  • [20:38:20] <gui_> national security
  • [20:38:23] <gui_> lemme think
  • [20:38:31] <KotH> secret service
  • [20:38:48] <gui_> no, that's the CIA
  • [20:38:53] <KotH> or more "we are not bound by laws at all" :)
  • [20:39:00] <georgem> or maybe National Surveillance Agency
  • [20:39:09] <KotH> gui_: both are secret services
  • [20:39:28] <flufmnstr> THE secret service is a seperate brance.
  • [20:39:30] <KotH> gui_: iirc cia is mostly domestic, while the nsa is mostly foreign
  • [20:39:42] <georgem> KotH: nope
  • [20:39:48] <KotH> note?
  • [20:39:51] <KotH> er..
  • [20:39:51] <KotH> not?
  • [20:39:59] * KotH goes back to wikipedia
  • [20:40:00] <gui_> well... we have ABIN
  • [20:40:17] <gui_> Brazilian Intelligence Agency
  • [20:40:46] <gui_> btw, got my full image now :)
  • [20:40:55] <gui_> 1920991232 bytes (1.9 GB) copied, 411.469 s, 4.7 MB/s
  • [20:42:04] <flufmnstr> 4.7 Mb/s?!
  • [20:42:13] <gui_> yes :S
  • [20:42:17] <gui_> too fast? too slow?
  • [20:42:18] <flufmnstr> dang you
  • [20:43:18] <flufmnstr> mine never goes over 2.2
  • [20:43:42] <gui_> I was copying from one drive to another
  • [20:43:47] <gui_> not the same
  • [20:44:24] <georgem> KotH: NSA is mainly signals intelligence while CIA is traditional intelligence. We have too many agencies/bureaus in this country.
  • [20:44:38] <jzaw> hi folks ... i know this is the #beagle channel but wanted to ask for some unbiased (if possible) advice for choice of device ... beaglebone black ... pcduino ... odrion ... etc
  • [20:45:02] <gui_> beaglebone
  • [20:45:04] <jzaw> id like to run 4 usb cams possibly off a hub off the board
  • [20:45:14] <jzaw> mjpg-streamer ... to my zm box
  • [20:45:17] <gui_> because i've never heard of pcduino or odrion
  • [20:45:29] <jzaw> oh theres lots of others too
  • [20:45:39] <jzaw> damn when theres too much choice!
  • [20:45:44] <jzaw> :)
  • [20:45:47] <KotH> georgem: juup.. just read the wiki articles of both
  • [20:45:55] <gui_> what's the total bandwidth of the cameras?
  • [20:46:15] <jzaw> more a case of the usb b/w they reserve when the drivers load
  • [20:46:41] <jzaw> ive found most usb buses handle 4 of them pretty much at any setting
  • [20:46:52] <jzaw> but cant handle 5
  • [20:47:25] <gui_> the bus might handle, but I was wondering if you could process all the data you need in time
  • [20:47:47] <jzaw> i used to run 4 usb cams on a sheevaplug ... and zoneminder too
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  • [20:48:01] <gui_> idk what you're talking about
  • [20:48:26] <jzaw> zoneminder ... security cam s/w ... motion detect ... etc
  • [20:48:54] <jzaw> http://www.zoneminder.com/
  • [20:49:07] <jzaw> opensource ofc
  • [20:49:08] <jzaw> :)
  • [20:49:14] <gui_> nope... never worked with that stuff
  • [20:50:07] <jzaw> comparing the BBB to other devices ... at this stage i dont need (many/any) i/o ... just usb tbh
  • [20:50:21] <gui_> in fact, I'm still a beginner with the BBB, so don't rely on my answers :P
  • [20:50:33] <jzaw> but zm can be quite heavy on resources ... esp motion detect
  • [20:50:42] <jzaw> np gui_ ... any conversation helps
  • [20:50:45] <jzaw> :)
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  • [20:51:17] <mranostay> how about trolling?
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  • [20:51:38] <gui_> i'd say you should determine how much CPU and/or ram you will need
  • [20:51:54] <gui_> then choose the device that better fits your needs
  • [20:52:34] <gui_> if more than one do, see which has better documentation/community stuff, which is easier to use (for you)
  • [20:52:38] <jzaw> sure ... but i was hoping for a few pointers to shorten my learning / reading curve :)
  • [20:53:20] <vaizki__> why do you want a small board?
  • [20:53:37] <jzaw> so i can put small boxes where the usb cams are
  • [20:53:42] <vaizki__> or rather.. do you want it small, cheap, low power or all of the above?
  • [20:53:49] <gui_> I believe that RaspberryPI and BB are the two most common, with large userbases
  • [20:53:51] <jzaw> i have found i can extend usb cables to about 7m
  • [20:54:12] <jzaw> all of the above :)
  • [20:54:19] <ds2> 21ft?
  • [20:54:23] <ds2> u using an active cable?
  • [20:54:29] <jzaw> nope :D
  • [20:54:47] <ds2> that will be very board specific
  • [20:54:56] <jzaw> the cams crash occasionally if i have a mains spike but on the whole stable
  • [20:55:12] <jzaw> its maybe the cheap hubs ive got them on ...
  • [20:55:27] <jzaw> 20cm to the hub ... then between 5 and 7 m to each cam
  • [20:55:28] <gui_> try a line filter
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  • [20:55:45] <jzaw> aye gui_ happens but 1x or 2x a year so not v bothered
  • [20:55:55] <mranostay> jzaw: security cams?
  • [20:56:12] <jzaw> yes mranostay ... but they are standard usb UVC cams
  • [20:56:27] <jzaw> moded to remove the IR filter ... and i have IR illumination for night vision
  • [20:56:43] * mranostay gets his burglar bag
  • [20:56:53] <jzaw> at least ill see you comming :D
  • [20:57:05] <mranostay> not when they crash you won't
  • [20:57:12] <jzaw> true
  • [20:57:19] <jzaw> but they dont all crash at once when they do
  • [20:57:20] <ds2> jzaw: that won'thelp that much if you get flooded with IR
  • [20:57:29] <ds2> cheap webcams don't have dynamic range
  • [20:57:42] * mranostay gets a few IR lasers
  • [20:57:57] <jzaw> im sure theres a way to knock out any cam
  • [20:57:59] <vaizki__> jzaw: you may want to check out OLinuXino A20 as well.. it has dual core, 3 usb I think and SATA
  • [20:58:19] <vaizki__> if you want to store video locally for example
  • [20:58:19] <ds2> just plan some solar powered IR beacons in the day time
  • [20:58:22] <ds2> plant
  • [20:58:27] <jzaw> vaizki, thanks looking ... any thoughts on the odroid ? 4core !
  • [20:58:42] <mranostay> ocean's eleven nerd style?
  • [20:58:50] <vaizki__> no thought.. does it even exist yet?
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  • [20:59:01] <gui_> jzaw, do you intend to store the images?
  • [20:59:12] <ds2> why not use a ehternet cam
  • [20:59:21] <mranostay> ds2: you have the EMP device?
  • [20:59:27] <vaizki__> ethernet cams are expensive
  • [20:59:37] <panto> g'night
  • [20:59:41] <jzaw> i already do gui_ on the box that runs zm 4TB
  • [20:59:50] <ds2> mranostay: you had it a few months ago
  • [21:00:01] <ds2> vaizki__:what are you calling expensive?
  • [21:00:10] <jzaw> this is more about hosting the usb cams themselves mjpg-streamer is vvvvv light on resources tbh ... other than the usb bus
  • [21:00:53] <ds2> pan/tilt Wifi/ethernet cams were about $60ish only
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  • [21:01:58] <jzaw> aye .. each... and there are some nice models out there .. running something like a BBB i can have 4 cams for about that price ... though admittedly not ptz
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  • [21:03:10] <vaizki__> ds2: ok I haven't seen them that cheap myself..
  • [21:03:59] <vaizki__> my ethernet cams are panasonic outdoor models, they were definitely more than $60 ;)
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  • [21:07:10] <Lancey> Howdy - I'm trying to update the eMMC on the BBB I just got - for starters, the link for the imaging program is broken, but I found it anyway, when I get to the point of flashing it from the MicroSD card, the instructions say it would take a while - how long is a while?
  • [21:08:05] <vaizki__> 40mins?
  • [21:08:14] <Lancey> Really? OK...Thanks...
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  • [21:08:34] <vaizki__> well not sure, I've never done it
  • [21:08:43] <vaizki__> but I remember reading something like that
  • [21:08:53] <Ceriand> it does take awhile
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  • [21:09:08] <vaizki__> I've no idea why it takes so long
  • [21:09:16] <Lancey> It'd be nice if it had some sort of web GUI while it was flashing, but I guess that's not really possible, since the web GUI is part of what's getting flashed...
  • [21:09:25] <jzaw> gosh that does seem long ... good to know though
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  • [21:10:08] <vaizki__> I use arch myself.. no flash-updates for me
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  • [21:10:23] <Lancey> I used to work on a similar device - it had a debugger then the main code. You would flash either, but the debugger was only flashed when required. Otherwise the debugger gave the GUI during the flash.
  • [21:10:37] <vaizki__> Lancey: but the flasher works by booting linux off the uSD card and then overwriting the eMMC so yes it could offer a gui
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  • [21:11:06] <Lancey> But doesn't - the BBB appears to be dead to the world, so far, except for the LEDs flashing...
  • [21:11:20] <Lancey> GUI doesn't respond, and it doesn't show up as a storage device.
  • [21:11:21] <vaizki__> well at least there's the leds..
  • [21:11:46] <Lancey> vaizki__: Yes, but there's no difference apparently in the flash pattern when it's flashing versus when it's not...
  • [21:12:10] <vaizki__> I think all the leds stay lit without flashing when it's done
  • [21:12:25] <Lancey> Actually, slight difference - USR 3 is pulsing with 2 pulses at a time, USR 0 on solid, USR 1 flashing like activity is going on, USR 2 out...
  • [21:12:30] <vaizki__> again, I just read that.. never tried it
  • [21:13:40] <Lancey> Also, has anyone gotten PERL to work on it?
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  • [21:16:24] <vaizki__> [root@eskar-bbb ~]# perl -v
  • [21:16:25] <vaizki__> This is perl 5, version 18, subversion 0 (v5.18.0) built for armv7l-linux-thread-multi
  • [21:16:29] <vaizki__> seems like I have
  • [21:16:41] <Lancey> Very cool...
  • [21:17:02] <vaizki__> seems like it's part of base Arch
  • [21:18:27] <vaizki__> with Arch you're on the bleeding edge ;)
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  • [21:18:41] <Lancey> I think it's loading Angstrom, though...
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  • [21:18:58] <vaizki__> at least feels that way, running kernel 3.8.13-7 now
  • [21:19:40] <Lancey> How hard is it to get an LCD cape to work?
  • [21:19:50] <mru> 54
  • [21:20:04] <vaizki__> 42
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  • [21:20:33] <KotH> 26
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  • [21:21:19] <ds2> vaizki: about $70... I have seem cheaper but right now... http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=NCZ550W&cat=VID
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  • [21:45:41] <mdp> mru, 54 on a scale of 1 to 10
  • [21:51:09] <kfoltman> which is twice as many as 26
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  • [21:52:06] * mru notes that kfoltman can do addition
  • [21:52:54] <kfoltman> no, I just read about this somewhere... some insect site
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  • [21:59:33] <Willdude123> How can I use my micro sd card for storage on the bbb? Can I move and install programs to it?
  • [21:59:37] <ka6sox> kfoltman, http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/206
  • [21:59:59] <ka6sox> Willdude123, no
  • [22:00:22] <kfoltman> ka6sox: ok, that's not something I should really be ashamed of :)
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  • [22:01:19] <ka6sox> kfoltman, memorialized is all.
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  • [22:01:25] <mru> kfoltman: you should be proud to have made it onto The List
  • [22:01:42] <ka6sox> kfoltman, +1
  • [22:02:11] <Willdude123> ka6sox: Why not? My bbb is complaining that there isn't enough hdd space.
  • [22:03:09] <mru> Willdude123: assuming you're running some kind of linux, the sd card is just another block device
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  • [22:03:30] <mru> you can do with it whatever you can do with block devices on any linux
  • [22:04:00] <ka6sox> the issue is that when it recognizes the eMMC as the boot device...the SD disappears....
  • [22:04:03] <texan> Hi, I want to control Agilent device (spectrum analyzer) with beaglebone. I wrote the program to control agilent device in text (bunch of commands). I somehow want to find out how to send those commands using beaglebone through ethernet cable to agilent device. Agilent device has an IP address. First step is to connect to that IP address and then send the command text one by one. Thanks for the help.
  • [22:04:09] <ka6sox> its either a kernel bug or something else.
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  • [22:04:30] <mru> ka6sox: blame systemd
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  • [22:06:10] <ds2> it is a feature, IIRC
  • [22:06:14] <ds2> had that happen on another SoC
  • [22:06:25] <mru> seems fucked up to me
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  • [22:06:35] <mdp> kfoltman: they say you always remember the first time...cherish the moment
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  • [22:06:47] <kfoltman> well, it means you can't fix your mmc content when you emergency boot from emmc
  • [22:07:08] <kfoltman> which is a pain, especially if you lost your microsd reader
  • [22:07:38] <kfoltman> mdp: (-:
  • [22:07:47] <ds2> you can change a config option to change that(IIRC)
  • [22:08:11] <kfoltman> by changing the kernel command line or is there a runtime way too?
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  • [22:12:20] <Gaston|Home> texan, private message
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  • [22:20:46] <texan> should I use netcat for sending a text to an ip address using ethernet?
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  • [22:24:06] <Gaston|Home> texan, google socket example python
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  • [22:25:51] <Gaston|Home> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=socket+agilent+python
  • [22:26:05] <mranostay> private messages i sense plotting
  • [22:26:32] <Gaston|Home> yes, trying to keep off topic out of here
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  • [22:26:49] <mru> mranostay: I find public shaming most efficient in those situations
  • [22:26:54] <Gaston|Home> hardly a #beagle specific thingy
  • [22:27:06] <mru> wtf does that mean?
  • [22:27:16] <mranostay> with some verbal abuse?
  • [22:27:23] <mru> you must have found the one thing in the universe we _don't_ discuss here
  • [22:27:31] <Gaston|Home> =)
  • [22:27:31] <mru> so please tell us what it is
  • [22:27:38] <Gaston|Home> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=socket+agilent+python
  • [22:27:53] <mru> which will of course immediately invalidate that property
  • [22:28:04] <kfoltman> Gentlemen don't discuss spectrum analyzers in public.
  • [22:28:42] <Gaston|Home> Spectrum analyzers have a tendency to show fallo-symbolic-like graphs
  • [22:28:51] <Gaston|Home> ;)
  • [22:28:53] <mru> real men analyse spectrums in ascii-art
  • [22:28:59] <mru> Crofton|work: ^^
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  • [22:29:15] <ds2> ur impulses are imperfect. go fix them
  • [22:29:31] <Gaston|Home> what was that ascii ping-plotter that is so nice
  • [22:29:51] <Gaston|Home> matts ping
  • [22:30:22] <Gaston|Home> mtr
  • [22:30:28] <texan> I wrote the code in C and I do not know Python. Can I use the C code and send it to that IP address?
  • [22:30:30] <Gaston|Home> matts trace route
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  • [22:31:03] <timbergus> hi everybody
  • [22:31:15] <Gaston|Home> texan, will you ask us to google that for you as well? ;)
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  • [22:31:34] <timbergus> I have a question because I think I have broken my board
  • [22:31:36] <texan> thanks
  • [22:31:46] <Gaston|Home> dont worry texan
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  • [22:32:13] <Gaston|Home> I think it is easier for you to do it in js or python
  • [22:32:14] <timbergus> I have just updated the las angstrom version and there is no more beaglebone folder in the desktop and I can't connect with it
  • [22:32:51] <texan> thanks for the help
  • [22:32:53] <Gaston|Home> mru, have you tried mtr?
  • [22:33:24] <mru> mtr as in the hong kong metro, yes
  • [22:33:49] <JoshAshby-SFE> mtr as in my-trace-route?
  • [22:33:54] <mru> they also operate the stockholm metro
  • [22:34:32] <mranostay> mru: there is some irony in that
  • [22:34:50] <mru> they're doing a decent job
  • [22:35:02] <Gaston|Home> matt's traceroute can plot histograms in ascii, very nicely
  • [22:35:11] <mru> better than the french company they took over the contract from
  • [22:35:23] <mru> and they again were better than the locals
  • [22:36:30] <Gaston|Home> http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/
  • [22:36:40] <maxinux> mtr > *
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  • [22:37:11] <mru> I dunno, the tokyo metro runs rather smoothly too
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  • [22:39:32] <mranostay> mru: sweds can't run trains? :)
  • [22:39:45] <mru> mranostay: some can
  • [22:40:07] <mru> the stockholm airport express train is nice
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  • [22:42:35] <Gaston|Home> I never go by train if timing is critical
  • [22:43:08] <mru> depending on the country, train is often the most reliable option
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  • [22:45:23] <Gaston|Home> otherwise I kinda like the possibilty to do some work or reading
  • [22:45:23] * Gaston|Home lives in .se
  • [22:47:44] <mranostay> mru: being in the US.. what is a train? :)
  • [22:48:57] * mranostay has been doing the bike + MAX thing a bit
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  • [23:11:39] <mdp> mranostay, bike means motorcycle over here
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  • [23:12:47] <mranostay> now taking a motorcycle onto MAX would be silly :)
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  • [23:13:46] <mdp> nothing is too silly there
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  • [23:22:26] <newhoa> Is this a room just for devs, or might I be able to ask a question (or several) here?
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