• [00:00:10] <kblin> georgem_home: I'll believe that when I see it happening :)
  • [00:00:13] <pb__> I don't bow hunt normally, was a buddies set up so no idea what kind it was
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  • [00:00:27] <jmoyerman> Thanks to georgem_home, the NSA is now recording and wiretapping all of our houses..
  • [00:00:33] <georgem_home> heh
  • [00:00:44] <emocakes> the NSA is already doing it to me, I'm not an citizen of the us a
  • [00:00:46] <kblin> jmoyerman: unlike ten minutes ago
  • [00:00:50] <emocakes> i have no rights according to them
  • [00:00:50] <georgem_home> don't worry they were doing that anyway
  • [00:01:10] <m_billybob> can do it here
  • [00:01:12] <emocakes> im just glad that the NSA is doing all this to protect me from nigerian scammers
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  • [00:01:17] <m_billybob> no landlines an no grid power
  • [00:01:19] <emocakes> and scammers on craigslist
  • [00:01:33] <m_billybob> and 6 dogs to get passed to get on the proerty
  • [00:03:03] <m_billybob> nothing to worry about anyhow
  • [00:03:49] <m_billybob> having a 6kW solar array and 2200aH battery storage has it's pluses :)
  • [00:04:05] <georgem_home> nice
  • [00:04:28] <pb__> The only solar we have is on our patio set umbrella....
  • [00:04:30] <m_billybob> and cheaper than paying the utilities company 50k + to run lines out here too
  • [00:04:50] <georgem_home> m_billybob: do you feed back to the grid
  • [00:05:02] <m_billybob> cant no grid here period.
  • [00:05:15] <m_billybob> cloest powr pole is 1/4 down the road
  • [00:05:17] <SpeedEvil> m_billybob: Where are you?
  • [00:05:21] <jmoyerman> That's a lot of cost to run cabling.
  • [00:05:22] <m_billybob> arizona.
  • [00:05:27] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
  • [00:05:36] <SpeedEvil> I guess dull winter days aren't much of an issue
  • [00:05:46] <SpeedEvil> Or snow.
  • [00:05:47] <kblin> or dull summer days
  • [00:06:02] <m_billybob> arizona at about 5800ft above sea level, so yeah we get decent sun, and good wind too
  • [00:06:13] <kblin> today the 50kW grid at my university managed to get ~8kW
  • [00:06:14] <jmoyerman> Just drop a 18 ga cable to your neighbor
  • [00:06:16] <SpeedEvil> I did the numbers for here.
  • [00:06:22] <pb__> quick question, utility for wiping an SD cards partitions for windows. I remember there used to be some HP one\
  • [00:06:23] <SpeedEvil> To run a 2.5W load 24*7.
  • [00:06:30] <SpeedEvil> I need a 250W solar panel.
  • [00:06:35] <SpeedEvil> (Scotland)
  • [00:06:49] <m_billybob> pb__ i know if it but cant remember the name offhand
  • [00:06:54] <SpeedEvil> And that'll likely drop out 2-3 days a year - even neglecting snow.
  • [00:07:01] <m_billybob> pb__ disk management would do it though
  • [00:07:04] <pb__> ok
  • [00:07:06] <jmoyerman> pb__: just reformat it?
  • [00:07:12] <pb__> reformating doesnt work
  • [00:07:14] <kblin> SpeedEvil: wind would be an option, I guess?
  • [00:07:17] <pb__> partition size stays the same
  • [00:07:28] <SpeedEvil> kblin: Not really
  • [00:07:31] <jmoyerman> ooh... partitioning... there's a partition utility built into win7 i think
  • [00:07:35] <m_billybob> pb__ oh you want ti completel wiped ? got a windows 95 / 98 cd ?
  • [00:07:45] <jmoyerman> better idea: install linux
  • [00:07:54] <georgem_home> self promotional link: http://www.novatechweb.com/utility/
  • [00:07:56] <SpeedEvil> kblin: Some places just basically suck for small scale renewable
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  • [00:08:25] <m_billybob> windwos 95 fdisk will completely wipe any partition.
  • [00:08:50] <pb__> I might have a disk somewhere
  • [00:09:08] <georgem_home> I cleaned my office today and I found a couple. Ewwwwwwwwwwww
  • [00:09:09] <m_billybob> you worried about possible exploits ?
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  • [00:11:09] <jmoyerman> ever have those days where you're just sick of being infront of a computer, but it's raining too hard to go outside?
  • [00:11:23] <pb__> We would love some rain right now
  • [00:11:27] <kblin> pb__: the "manage computer" menu should have a partition tool
  • [00:11:31] <pb__> our aquifier is at like 5%
  • [00:11:44] <kblin> anyway, zZzZ time
  • [00:12:16] <jmoyerman> pb__: Florida always has rain
  • [00:12:22] <m_billybob> heh
  • [00:12:37] <pb__> yea but in florida I cant go buy skittles and tea.
  • [00:12:42] <jmoyerman> skittles?
  • [00:12:45] <m_billybob> and if not you can swim in the air there
  • [00:12:45] <jmoyerman> like the candy
  • [00:12:52] <georgem_home> heh
  • [00:13:11] <pb__> never mind lol
  • [00:13:16] <georgem_home> I think we scared all the Europeans away (or they fell asleep)
  • [00:13:23] <pb__> 'merica
  • [00:13:51] <m_billybob> one of my favorite moments in florida was sittign in a hotel pool on a floating matress drinking a beer, while it was raining
  • [00:14:11] <m_billybob> quite plesant
  • [00:14:15] <pb__> sounds like what we did in WV
  • [00:14:21] <georgem_home> pb__: savin the m'r f'in day yeah
  • [00:14:21] <pb__> cept it was on the green river
  • [00:15:35] <m_billybob> heh i was in PC ( Panama City ) during spring break sittign right on the coast watching two water spouts circlign one another off shore
  • [00:15:36] <georgem_home> funny story... I had never been to Florida until I married a Canadian. Her family goes there every year :)
  • [00:15:56] <terinjokes> georgem_home: sigh, one of those people :)
  • [00:15:57] <jmoyerman> It's a great place... although pouring right now.
  • [00:16:25] <pb__> I been to florida once
  • [00:16:28] <pb__> was to much for me
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  • [00:17:13] <georgem_home> Florida is kind of a white trash extravaganza. With all due respect of course...
  • [00:17:34] <pb__> I lived in WV....I'm sure florida had nothing on wv.
  • [00:17:47] <georgem_home> yeah... that could be true
  • [00:17:52] <m_billybob> georgem depends on where
  • [00:17:53] <jmoyerman> georgem_home: and you live where? Vegas?
  • [00:18:08] <m_billybob> jmoyerman vegas is worse lol
  • [00:18:17] <m_billybob> waaaay worse.
  • [00:18:20] <mastiff> SpeedEvil, you only need a 20W panel making power for 4hrs per day on average to run a 2.5W device 24/7
  • [00:18:22] <georgem_home> jmoyerman: Kansas, center of 'Merica
  • [00:18:37] <georgem_home> Heartland of 'Merica
  • [00:18:41] <SpeedEvil> mastiff: Yes, I know.
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  • [00:18:58] <SpeedEvil> mastiff: There are typically 0 hours of sun for several weeks.
  • [00:19:01] <jmoyerman> georgem_home: got a few friends out that way. quite nice
  • [00:19:12] <m_billybob> personally i prefer the left coast, but beach wise florida is hard to beat
  • [00:19:29] <SpeedEvil> mastiff: It's what gets through the clouds - which is often 10% of nominal power.
  • [00:19:36] <pb__> I grew up in northern CA
  • [00:19:43] <pb__> I can't stand the people out there anymore
  • [00:19:46] <m_billybob> Sonoma here.
  • [00:19:53] <pb__> Hah, Healdsburg for me
  • [00:19:59] <jmoyerman> peace folks.
  • [00:20:00] <m_billybob> not far away
  • [00:20:00] <SpeedEvil> mastiff: Also - charge/discharge inefficiency. This was based of real solar measurements every 10 mins.
  • [00:20:07] <pb__> not at all
  • [00:20:20] <m_billybob> thats up the russian river ? i forget
  • [00:20:26] <pb__> yep
  • [00:20:32] <mastiff> I see, sounds like lousy conditions for solar.
  • [00:21:12] <m_billybob> we get 100+ A when its overcast here
  • [00:21:22] <m_billybob> plenty to keep the batteries up and charged
  • [00:21:40] <m_billybob> over long periods, it wouldnt be good enough though
  • [00:21:55] <m_billybob> ( read: months )
  • [00:22:11] <mastiff> last week I welded up some stainless solar tracker frames
  • [00:22:20] <georgem_home> In Kansas, wind is the best option
  • [00:22:27] <mastiff> they fit 60W panels
  • [00:22:36] <m_billybob> how do they work ?
  • [00:22:40] <m_billybob> good ?
  • [00:22:48] <mastiff> manual rotation tilt and locking
  • [00:22:57] <m_billybob> why not aluminum ?
  • [00:23:20] <mastiff> i used a well-tested design for sailboats
  • [00:23:20] <m_billybob> hmm on the ocean i guess you'd have to paint it
  • [00:24:34] <mastiff> stainless is better for marine and easy to stick weld
  • [00:24:49] <m_billybob> we use aluminum or steel brackets here ( steel for solar water pumps ) but we dont have salt water to contend with
  • [00:26:01] <m_billybob> our two solar wells give us around 4 gallons / minute from 500 feet down
  • [00:26:10] <georgem_home> ocean messes up everything. need to conformal coat boards
  • [00:26:15] <m_billybob> really cool but not cheap either
  • [00:26:44] <m_billybob> and only realy useful for the garden
  • [00:26:57] <mastiff> solar wells are nice for self-sufficiency
  • [00:27:09] <m_billybob> thatswhat we're aiming for
  • [00:27:16] <georgem_home> nice
  • [00:27:33] <m_billybob> not really preppers but self sufficient as possible
  • [00:27:43] <mastiff> this is what my solar trackers look like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9CsCOYQlSQ
  • [00:28:19] <georgem_home> cool
  • [00:28:22] <m_billybob> seen it already
  • [00:28:36] * SpeedEvil wishes trackers had a point.
  • [00:28:45] <m_billybob> thats . . .here would fold over in 5 minutes lol
  • [00:28:47] <SpeedEvil> They don't help much for overcast :)
  • [00:28:58] <m_billybob> they help the most for over cast
  • [00:29:07] <mastiff> they are good for limited space
  • [00:29:13] <georgem_home> Thats why we don't do solar in Kansas. Wind is the way...
  • [00:29:19] <mru> put the panels on drones
  • [00:29:33] <georgem_home> mru: thought we lost you!
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  • [00:30:27] <m_billybob> SpeedEvil, problem is solar is only about 30% efficient from the panels, ~50% efficient from the controller( of that 30% ) so . . . you basicaly have to over do your solar array to get good consisant power
  • [00:30:44] <SpeedEvil> More like 17%
  • [00:31:07] <georgem_home> mru: j/k. I appreciate your point of view. Not to mention your resilience... what time is it there anyway?
  • [00:31:19] <SpeedEvil> The controller should be 95% or better, with sane stuff - but batteries may eat 30%++
  • [00:31:39] <m_billybob> PWM controllers at most are 60% efficient
  • [00:31:52] <m_billybob> on a cool day ( 25C )
  • [00:32:01] <m_billybob> batter SoC matters too
  • [00:32:06] <m_billybob> battery*
  • [00:32:22] <mastiff> Right so if you're relying on solar it can payoff more to reduce power consumption than buying solar capacity
  • [00:32:37] <georgem_home> Hrm... GMT 0032
  • [00:32:42] <m_billybob> mppt can be as much as 75% efficient
  • [00:33:23] <m_billybob> mastiff thats hard to do when you'reused to a certain way of living though
  • [00:33:52] <georgem_home> mastiff: thats because it's inefficient
  • [00:33:55] <m_billybob> we dont use much power technicaly but we do run a couple laptops a jetpump for pressurizing the water tank and a freezer
  • [00:34:00] <mastiff> switching to all led navigation and interior lights reduced my boat power requirements a lot
  • [00:34:13] <m_billybob> lights of course microwave oven etc etc
  • [00:34:28] <m_billybob> sure it did
  • [00:35:06] <mastiff> yeah, for houses I like geothermal because heating and cooling are the biggest energy uses by far for a home
  • [00:35:25] <georgem_home> yes, true
  • [00:35:36] <georgem_home> and wives
  • [00:36:30] <m_billybob> best way to go 100% RE would be having a stream with enough head to go hydro
  • [00:36:51] <m_billybob> you can dump ac off a good hydro generator
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  • [00:37:09] <m_billybob> forgt about batteries and power conversion et al
  • [00:37:25] <georgem_home> Three phase ftw
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  • [00:38:55] <SpeedEvil> m_billybob: Err - no - good switchmode converters can exceed 95% on a good day.
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  • [00:39:19] <SpeedEvil> There is a tradeoff on how much you're willing to spend on them.
  • [00:39:23] <m_billybob> SpeedEvil considering perfect condidtions maybe
  • [00:39:30] <m_billybob> heat is the killer
  • [00:39:34] <m_billybob> as is cold
  • [00:39:42] <m_billybob> but cold is less of a killer
  • [00:39:48] <SpeedEvil> m_billybob: Good MPPT designs will hit >95% under practically any conditions.
  • [00:40:11] * SpeedEvil needs to get his MPPT built.
  • [00:40:48] <m_billybob> depends on how much you sink into it at which point you might be asking yourself "why" when you can buy a panel or two cheaper
  • [00:41:04] <m_billybob> we get good deals on panels here though
  • [00:41:17] <m_billybob> we hve a surplus store close enough to drive to
  • [00:41:40] <SpeedEvil> It's not especially expensive - it can actually be cheaper to do high efficiency designed well - as no heatskinking and fewer parts to dissipate heat.
  • [00:41:40] <m_billybob> well more of a warehouse
  • [00:41:50] <SpeedEvil> $/W?
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  • [00:42:20] <georgem_home> I don't think solar is practical at my latitude (N 39?)
  • [00:42:20] <m_billybob> i forget 3what we paid for the las batch, but roughly $4400 for 24 200W panels
  • [00:42:38] <SpeedEvil> That's not terrible.
  • [00:42:52] <m_billybob> for the time we bought them it was a really good price
  • [00:43:07] <m_billybob> they were purchased last year
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  • [00:44:27] <SpeedEvil> georgem_home: Do you mean 39 degrees from the pole - or 39 degrees from the equator?
  • [00:44:43] <SpeedEvil> If the latter - which would be normal - certainly!
  • [00:44:56] <m_billybob> SpeedEvil, also ive been thinking in terms of low voltage e.g. 12, 24, or 48 nominal. if you string many in series . . . say 300v then yeah thats the way to go
  • [00:45:34] <m_billybob> string converters is something else im am interrested in from a techical standpoint but not realy ideal for our situation here
  • [00:45:47] <m_billybob> we would end up converting twice
  • [00:46:07] <SpeedEvil> http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvgis/apps4/pvest.php - a nice estimator - for europe
  • [00:46:11] <SpeedEvil> And africa
  • [00:46:38] <SpeedEvil> Converting twice may be significantly easier in some ways.
  • [00:46:49] <SpeedEvil> It vastly simplifies your converters.
  • [00:46:55] <m_billybob> whats this ? estimator for potential power output ?
  • [00:47:23] <SpeedEvil> yes - you feed it a lat/lon, and it looks up a weather database, and gives you kWh/year per kW peak of panels.
  • [00:47:49] <m_billybob> or arrays are capable of around idk 5800W but we rarely see more than 2kW at any one time
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  • [00:48:08] <SpeedEvil> I have been planning a small 24V system - with each panel on a mppt to the battery, with a shunt to dump power to prevent overcharge.
  • [00:48:23] <m_billybob> those 24 we put up this year sit flat on the roof, and the smaler arrays sit closer to winter maximum
  • [00:48:50] <m_billybob> so we *hope* to get good coverage al year around
  • [00:49:00] <m_billybob> we'll see what winter brings this year
  • [00:49:26] <m_billybob> guys switchers are bad for the BB right ?
  • [00:49:32] <m_billybob> power supplies . . .
  • [00:49:39] <SpeedEvil> No, just fine.
  • [00:49:50] <m_billybob> This is what ive been seeing Gerald say on the google groups
  • [00:49:56] <SpeedEvil> Most power supplies that are suitable are switching PSUs
  • [00:50:03] * SpeedEvil sighs.
  • [00:50:16] <m_billybob> ok explain ?
  • [00:50:20] <SpeedEvil> You will find it really hard to source a 5V 1A or so linear PSU.
  • [00:50:20] <m_billybob> plese.
  • [00:50:30] <m_billybob> i get that
  • [00:50:39] <SpeedEvil> Tehre is basically no point whatsoever - the BBB does not require an especially low noise power supply.
  • [00:51:09] <m_billybob> So why have i been seeing otherwise on the groups ? no doubting just tryng ot understand
  • [00:51:21] <m_billybob> i guess because of especially bad supplies ?
  • [00:52:06] <SpeedEvil> There are some very, very bad chinese dangerous chargers out there.
  • [00:52:39] <m_billybob> we actually use a 1A supply here not sure if its switch mode or not( not my bbb ) whatever it is, it seems pretty solid
  • [00:52:49] <m_billybob> ah ok yeah that was my assumption lol
  • [00:52:59] <m_billybob> pb__ got that ?
  • [00:53:00] <SpeedEvil> Basic rules of thumb. Never buy 'USB chargers' from ebay, or any other small vendor. Buy them only from first world actual legitimate vendors that have brand names.
  • [00:53:19] <SpeedEvil> And don't expect to pay $2.
  • [00:53:25] <m_billybob> is there a list of known good supplies ?
  • [00:53:38] <pb__> got it
  • [00:53:55] <SpeedEvil> Where are you?
  • [00:54:14] <m_billybob> US, but our power system has line noise already
  • [00:54:17] <m_billybob> if that matters
  • [00:54:44] <pb__> grr ubuntu distro is still booting to a text login
  • [00:55:04] <m_billybob> pb__ put lxde on it
  • [00:55:19] <m_billybob> df -h / says what ?
  • [00:55:36] <pb__> got a link for it
  • [00:55:41] <m_billybob> im uessing its probably a bare minimum install
  • [00:56:06] <pb__> as long as it has a basic gui and networking its all I need
  • [00:56:25] <SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/PSA05F-050Q/993-1068-ND/2384534 - for example
  • [00:57:14] <m_billybob> aptitude update && aptitude install lxde *may* handle it all but Robert C Nelson has a script for installing lxde on debian / ubuntu already
  • [00:57:32] <m_billybob> pb__ not sure why you'd want to crap up a file server with a UI though
  • [00:57:42] <m_billybob> SpeedEvil thanks will have a look see
  • [00:57:45] <pb__> because I'm a dumby and I like pretty colors.
  • [00:59:00] <m_billybob> SpeedEvil ah heheh id probably spend more for something even better :)
  • [00:59:08] <m_billybob> thats a really good price though
  • [00:59:58] <SpeedEvil> In general, digikey will check that it's actually legit - and not stamped out as a clone with no attention to safety.
  • [01:00:02] <m_billybob> pb__ your call of course, but honestly you can get get "windows functionality" with putty nd WinSCP
  • [01:00:58] <m_billybob> pb__, that would give you shell access and a pretty GUI ( from windows ) for browsing the file system
  • [01:01:37] <m_billybob> i guess im just oldschool . . .have a problem with putting X on linux period
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  • [01:01:44] <pb__> hah
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  • [01:02:22] <pb__> life would be much easier if I could find my DVI-HDMI adapter
  • [01:02:31] <m_billybob> i do that because of many different reason, but mainly to keep size down, and for reliability
  • [01:03:03] <pb__> I'm open to anything that works
  • [01:03:32] <m_billybob> it works well proble is you have to learn the command line. Not everyon has the time for that
  • [01:03:58] <m_billybob> in the end though the better you understadn the command line the better off you are
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  • [01:04:07] <pb__> I won't be messing with it that much, but I wouldnt mind learning it
  • [01:04:22] <m_billybob> what all do you plan on running on it ?
  • [01:04:28] <m_billybob> Samba ?
  • [01:04:50] <pb__> Honestly, my main goal is just to stick 4 external HDDs on my home network
  • [01:04:59] <pb__> to run my media boxes off of it
  • [01:05:10] <m_billybob> cool thing about Ubuntu / debian, is that many things such as that are well documented on the web so finding something out is a matter of a google season or three away
  • [01:05:12] <pb__> possibly remote access also
  • [01:05:58] <m_billybob> google session*
  • [01:06:12] <m_billybob> define "remote access"
  • [01:06:14] <pb__> yea, im a little familiar with ubuntu, have ran it in the past
  • [01:06:32] <pb__> remote file access to the drives that are connected to the BBB
  • [01:06:40] <pb__> nothing more
  • [01:06:48] <m_billybob> that would most likely be samba then
  • [01:07:17] <pb__> The media boxes I'm hooking up are WD TV live's
  • [01:07:18] <m_billybob> could be done a few difeferentways but i think samba makes the most sense from a users standpoint
  • [01:07:24] <pb__> ok
  • [01:08:03] <m_billybob> do you want to restrict access ?
  • [01:08:16] <emocakes> ubuntu > *
  • [01:08:22] <emocakes> ubuntu is amazing
  • [01:08:24] <m_billybob> or is it like a local free for all sort of deal ?
  • [01:08:29] <pb__> local free for all
  • [01:08:29] <emocakes> its the best os ever created from the ground up
  • [01:08:33] <emocakes> unlike debian
  • [01:08:37] <pb__> external restricted
  • [01:08:40] <emocakes> which is just a copy of gentoo and redhat
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  • [01:08:44] <m_billybob> thats easy
  • [01:08:46] <pb__> but even if there is no external, there is no big deal.
  • [01:09:52] <m_billybob> emocakes since that was obviously a troll i'll completely ignore that statement
  • [01:10:06] <m_billybob> ( almost completely )
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  • [01:10:15] <emocakes> huh m_billybob?
  • [01:11:02] <m_billybob> first of all debian is nothing like redhat or gentoo second of all Debian was around before Ubuntu which leads to the point that Ubuntu is *based on * Debian.
  • [01:11:20] <m_billybob> anyhow diner time bbl
  • [01:11:22] <emocakes> it says on wikipedia otherwise m_billybob
  • [01:11:30] <pb__> same here billy
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  • [01:14:24] <Spirilis> wtf
  • [01:14:30] <Spirilis> you guys got your history bass ackwards
  • [01:14:39] <Spirilis> gentoo came way after debian IIRC
  • [01:14:49] <Spirilis> redhat not so much though
  • [01:14:56] <Spirilis> they were quite different for a very long time
  • [01:15:03] <Spirilis> then redhat got YUM, which leveled the playing field a bit
  • [01:15:09] <Spirilis> and Ubuntu is most definitely based on Debian.
  • [01:16:19] <m_billybob> apt-get install yum wtf you talking about Spirilis
  • [01:16:21] <m_billybob> ;)
  • [01:16:32] <m_billybob> yum install dpkg
  • [01:16:37] <Spirilis> yargh
  • [01:16:39] <Spirilis> yum install alien
  • [01:16:43] <m_billybob> ;)
  • [01:17:14] <m_billybob> debian has been around a long long time
  • [01:17:35] <Spirilis> yeah
  • [01:17:37] <Spirilis> slackware too
  • [01:17:44] <Spirilis> .....though you don't hear much about it anymore :-)
  • [01:17:48] <Spirilis> slackware was my first linux
  • [01:18:12] <m_billybob> slackeware was my first linux experience perhaps, maybe debian i dont exactly remember
  • [01:18:50] <Spirilis> slackware for me only b/c it was the only distro at the time offering a downloadable install floppy with the experimental 2.1.48 kernel
  • [01:19:07] <Spirilis> which happened to have working IBM Microchannel architecture support for the junk-ass tank of a 386 someone sent me for free
  • [01:19:18] <m_billybob> never bothered with "redhat" until mandrake and yeah . . . never really liked redhat based distros much though from a technical standpoint i find gentoo interesting
  • [01:19:25] <m_billybob> have even tried sabayon
  • [01:19:37] <Spirilis> redhat I ended up getting involved with through work. It's very common in enterprises.
  • [01:19:42] <Spirilis> never heard of sabayon
  • [01:20:01] <m_billybob> its a gentoo cutting edge "fork" i guess
  • [01:20:13] <m_billybob> lets you compile as you want / go
  • [01:20:13] <Spirilis> ah
  • [01:20:17] <Spirilis> I never got into the gentoo stuff
  • [01:20:32] <Spirilis> sounded like more bullshit than it was worth to me
  • [01:20:54] <m_billybob> was one of the first live dvd distros ( that seemed to work correctly anyhow )
  • [01:21:06] <emocakes> ubuntu is still better than debian
  • [01:21:12] <emocakes> it is mobile friendly
  • [01:21:15] <emocakes> responsive
  • [01:21:22] <emocakes> web 2.0 ready
  • [01:21:26] <emocakes> and cloud scalable
  • [01:21:27] <m_billybob> worked ghreat for me, but didnt support my hardware at the time mainly ICH9 chipset ( SATA drivers )
  • [01:21:44] <Spirilis> I'll admit I use ubuntu over debian, even the server edition here at home.
  • [01:21:49] <m_billybob> emocakes great have funwith it
  • [01:22:00] <Spirilis> it seemed ubuntu took debian and cleaned up the install experience
  • [01:22:07] <m_billybob> ive had too many bad experiences with ubuntu
  • [01:22:24] <m_billybob> largely upgrade paths early on sucked really badly
  • [01:22:28] <Spirilis> ah
  • [01:22:30] <Spirilis> yeah
  • [01:22:31] <emocakes> :p
  • [01:22:34] <m_billybob> not sure its been fixed entirerly either
  • [01:22:43] <emocakes> m_billybob in all honesty for a server I run solaris
  • [01:22:45] <Spirilis> I never trusted distro version upgrades until a few years back and ubuntu has executed them quite well since
  • [01:22:49] <emocakes> smartOS zones
  • [01:22:57] <Spirilis> ugh
  • [01:23:00] <emocakes> dislike ubuntu
  • [01:23:17] <m_billybob> emoq if you're into solaris then you probably like debian most of all distros
  • [01:23:22] <Spirilis> solaris is like that pimple on the back of my spine I can't quite reach
  • [01:23:25] <m_billybob> emocakes*
  • [01:23:37] <Spirilis> we have plenty of solaris at work but it's shrinking little by little
  • [01:24:00] <m_billybob> Oracle is ruining many things
  • [01:24:09] <Spirilis> yeah
  • [01:24:17] <emocakes> not Oracle solaris
  • [01:24:25] <Spirilis> I hated solaris before oracle but Oracle is doing a stellar job of building its coffin for it
  • [01:24:28] <emocakes> http://smartos.org/
  • [01:24:30] <m_billybob> Indiana ?
  • [01:24:30] <emocakes> this solaris
  • [01:24:44] <Spirilis> ahh
  • [01:24:45] <Spirilis> gotcha
  • [01:25:00] <emocakes> which is basically indiana m_billybob
  • [01:25:02] <emocakes> illumos
  • [01:25:09] <emocakes> its wonderful
  • [01:25:10] <m_billybob> Spirilis from a technical standpoint solaris had many gret features
  • [01:25:40] <Spirilis> yeah I know, solaris always performs better under heavy memory load, I/O scheduling always seemed smoother, etc.
  • [01:25:43] <Spirilis> still fucking hate it :)
  • [01:25:50] <m_billybob> ZFS ZRAID the "each process running in its own VM" long before android was around
  • [01:26:02] <emocakes> solaris zones :D
  • [01:26:21] <emocakes> zones are pretty awesome
  • [01:26:24] <m_billybob> not to mentions its system config / data stuff ive long forgot about
  • [01:26:33] <m_billybob> Spirilis well see you're not alone either
  • [01:26:41] <m_billybob> i could never get used to using it
  • [01:26:48] <m_billybob> BSD for that matter either
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  • [01:27:06] <Spirilis> package mgmt seemed like a perpetual ugly hack, couldn't necessarily figure out what a patch was from its .tar.Z filename or whatnot like you can with deb's or RPMs where the version is usually in the filename
  • [01:27:29] <m_billybob> I can not sayfor sure 100% what it is exactly but Debian for me . . . brings back my dos days somehow
  • [01:27:29] <Spirilis> GNU tools sometimes are there sometimes not, sometimes in /opt/csw, sometimes in /usr/sfw
  • [01:27:43] <Spirilis> anyway yeah
  • [01:27:54] <Spirilis> linux is here to stay :)
  • [01:28:00] <m_billybob> e.g. my dos knowledge somehow translate over to Debian/Linux very easily somehow
  • [01:28:17] <Spirilis> haha that is slightly frightening at face value
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  • [01:29:05] <m_billybob> yeah well lol just means i felt right at home at the debian CLI
  • [01:29:12] <mrpackethead> so, you guys where arguing about Gun size?
  • [01:29:20] <Spirilis> yeah
  • [01:29:22] <Spirilis> mine's got girth
  • [01:29:40] <m_billybob> apt-get install blah <---- makes total sense to me as does dkpg-reconfigure dpkg -l etc etc
  • [01:30:04] <m_billybob> mrpackethead was talking about it
  • [01:30:14] <m_billybob> arguing * shrug* i wasnt
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  • [01:31:48] <m_billybob> Spirilis so why do you use ubuntu ? ease of use ?
  • [01:32:00] <m_billybob> I hear that alot amonst developers actually.
  • [01:33:00] <Spirilis> m_billybob: yeah, debian's .... uh.... dselect? thing turned me off the first few times I used it, ubuntu basically rolls out the door with a reasonable set of defaults and I have no problem shoring up the rest with apt-get.
  • [01:33:24] <Spirilis> m_billybob: I think ubuntu added more frills as of late during the installer but still, reasonably concise package sets that I hardly ever use anyway so I just hit "next"
  • [01:33:30] <m_billybob> Spirilis, also did you find those links i gave last night was hoping it wasnt too obvious lol
  • [01:33:33] <Spirilis> m_billybob: alas, I haven't done a debian install as of late. maybe all that's changed
  • [01:33:48] <m_billybob> Debian is probably less user friendly
  • [01:34:03] <Spirilis> m_billybob: yeah, I decided to buy the new book anyway. 4th edition and sounds like there are a lot of changes (mostly modern applications) that I'd like to see particularly if it helps get me up to speed even quicker.
  • [01:34:08] <m_billybob> from the command line its goign ot be similar i thnk
  • [01:34:15] <Spirilis> yeah
  • [01:34:33] <m_billybob> I honestly have no used Ubuntu seriously in over 5-6 years
  • [01:34:45] <Spirilis> the GUI sucks ass now, Unity it's called...
  • [01:34:59] <emocakes> yup
  • [01:35:01] <Spirilis> last time I used it as a full-blown work laptop GUI workstation O/S was 3 years ago
  • [01:35:08] <Spirilis> was rolling with the older GNOME and loved it
  • [01:35:11] <Spirilis> tried Unity once and puked
  • [01:35:13] <emocakes> if gnu got a window manager similar to OS X
  • [01:35:16] <emocakes> i would use it
  • [01:35:38] <emocakes> until then its just going to be a server
  • [01:35:40] <emocakes> or headless
  • [01:36:00] <m_billybob> back then though i was attemptign to do Xen + iSCSI and ubuntu was falling on its face fairly badly, but also was something that I could not achieve on debian because of debians stable build process ( couple years between upgrades etc ) and no huge hurry to add "modern" packages
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  • [01:36:45] <Spirilis> yeah
  • [01:36:54] <Spirilis> that's another thing, ubuntu's more aggressive release cycle back then
  • [01:36:59] <Spirilis> appealed to me a bit better
  • [01:37:11] <m_billybob> I used to hate udev with a passion
  • [01:37:12] <Spirilis> but yeah the virtualization and iSCSI world took a while to mature I found
  • [01:37:22] <Spirilis> and both are transforming even more nowadays
  • [01:37:26] <m_billybob> was the source of all my ills on ubuntu wuith Xen and iSCSI
  • [01:37:35] <Spirilis> I think there's a new target daemon platform now to support iscsi + other stuff?
  • [01:38:21] <m_billybob> open-iscsi has been around since the get go its all i use
  • [01:38:32] <Spirilis> that's client-side I think
  • [01:38:39] <Spirilis> and yeah it works pretty well
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  • [01:39:16] <m_billybob> iscsitarget iscsitarget-dkms
  • [01:39:34] <Spirilis> my first legitimate use of iscsi was OpenStack, which is rapidly evolving and still in its infancy but the eval environments I rolled use iSCSI for the nova-volume (now Cinder, I think) feature which is openstack's version of Amazon EBS block volumes
  • [01:39:38] <m_billybob> iscsitarget been aorudn since the gt go too i thnk but i am unfamiliar with the dkms file there
  • [01:39:48] <m_billybob> not quite sure exactly what it is exactly
  • [01:39:49] <Spirilis> ah yeah dkms, dell kernel module system I think
  • [01:40:06] <Spirilis> basically a way to package up kernel modules in a manner that they're easy to build on different versions I think
  • [01:40:26] <m_billybob> idk i have gotten much into the new stuff on debian yet
  • [01:40:45] <m_billybob> just learned a couple weeks ago the new debian way to do init.d stuffs
  • [01:41:26] <m_billybob> Spirilis though back then 5-6 years ago iSCSI boot was not an options but now it is
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  • [01:41:40] <Spirilis> yeah
  • [01:41:50] <m_billybob> matter of fact some woman i knew from this server and I were looking into a way to make it work
  • [01:41:58] <Spirilis> I haven't kept up with the hardware side of that but that was a killer feature I wanted to see back when I was first introduced to iSCSI in concept
  • [01:42:02] <m_billybob> she was an ex IBM employee if i remember right
  • [01:42:10] <m_billybob> ex IBM or intel
  • [01:42:16] <m_billybob> i forget whcih
  • [01:42:20] <Spirilis> ah neat
  • [01:42:28] <m_billybob> but yeah that was way over my head lol
  • [01:42:34] <m_billybob> so i bowed out
  • [01:44:01] <m_billybob> still trying to figure out how to get iSCSI root workign on the bbb
  • [01:44:36] <m_billybob> iSCSI boot wouldnt be of much use
  • [01:45:24] <m_billybob> NFS reads == 11.9MB/s and writes == 11.1MB/s
  • [01:45:57] <m_billybob> thats close enough to iSCSI speeds ( and better writes ) that im no longer interrested so much in iSCSI
  • [01:46:06] <m_billybob> err better reads
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  • [01:47:17] <m_billybob> rootpath=/home/username/rootfs,rsize=16384,wsize=16384 <--- double rsize and wsize makes a huge difference
  • [01:48:03] <m_billybob> rootpath=/home/william/rootfs,rsize=32768,wsize=32768 this is what i use now
  • [01:48:22] <m_billybob> eat up a lot of bbb ram initially though lol
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  • [01:51:26] <Crofton|work> Jesus Christ ???@Jesus_M_Christ 11m
  • [01:51:26] <Crofton|work> This 4th of July don't forget to celebrate God's three favorite american traditions: Beer, Bacon & Teen pregnancy.
  • [01:51:39] <Crofton|work> Yes, I follow Jesus on twitter :)
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  • [01:55:15] <mrpackethead> we all need to find peace in what we belive
  • [01:55:20] <mrpackethead> i dont' belive in Angstrom
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  • [01:57:13] <kd0vyu> Yee-haw! How does this fine Friday treat you?
  • [01:59:00] <kd0vyu> Much as I expected. Ah well, may as well blow stuff up.
  • [01:59:24] <emocakes> you should call yourself bbc, my wife loves bbc
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  • [02:22:48] <mrpackethead> friday?
  • [02:22:50] <mrpackethead> lol
  • [02:25:28] <m_billybob> merica mrpackethead . .. 4th of july tomorrow. long weekend
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  • [02:31:20] <ka6sox> kd0vyu, we blow stuff up regularly
  • [02:32:41] <kd0vyu> Letting the magic smoke free?
  • [02:33:27] <ka6sox> mostly blue, but other colours too
  • [02:33:51] <mastiff> kids are setting off m-80s over here
  • [02:34:07] <kd0vyu> Many ICs have met there fate here. And bottle rockets
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  • [02:34:36] <ka6sox> last year our 4th display went off ALL AT ONE TIME....
  • [02:34:49] <ka6sox> the sequencer broke and it sent everything up at one time.
  • [02:35:01] <ka6sox> so it was 10seconds
  • [02:35:06] <ka6sox> (and then it was OVER)
  • [02:35:56] <kd0vyu> Last year it rained. I'd rigged an arduino to do a timed display.
  • [02:36:13] <kd0vyu> Epic Fizzle
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  • [02:39:10] <kd0vyu> mastiff: A co-worker ask me today where she could procure a 1/4 stick of dynamite.
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  • [02:42:57] <mastiff> i hear fishing is a good use for a 1/4 stick
  • [02:45:50] <ka6sox> mastiff, we used a 1/4 stick under a 55gal drum...i think it blew it up 60+ft
  • [02:46:02] <ka6sox> (yes it was empty)
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  • [02:48:58] <ka6sox> morning emeb_mac
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  • [02:49:17] <emeb_mac> hi ka6sox - what's shakin'?
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  • [02:54:26] <ka6sox> thankfully not the ground
  • [02:54:31] <ka6sox> but I can't get pcb to launch
  • [02:54:35] <ka6sox> and no errors
  • [02:57:09] <emeb_mac> bizarre
  • [02:58:31] <ka6sox> truely
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  • [03:06:57] <mrpackethead> which pcb?
  • [03:09:57] <emeb_mac> gEDA/PCB FOSS layout app
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  • [03:46:45] <magyarm> Hey emeb_mac, quick question on the BCC's CLKOUT2 connect. Is the plan to supply a 32K RTC clock to the fpga? My thought looking at that pin is to use it as GPIO0_20 and have it as a "data ready" interrupt(if/when a softcore or fpga peripheral has data to send to beaglebone)
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  • [03:47:30] <emeb_mac> magyarm: the BCC doesn't need the CLKOUT2 to be active. That's "just in case".
  • [03:47:32] <magyarm> and question for both emeb_mac and ka6sox, do you guys have a road map of what you are looking to implement?
  • [03:47:55] <emeb_mac> what we're looking to implement? with what? when?
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  • [03:48:31] <ka6sox> whowhatwhere?
  • [03:48:33] <magyarm> emeb_mac, yes. I could probably get 32K with the DCM's
  • [03:48:42] <magyarm> with the BCC on the beaglebone
  • [03:49:48] <magyarm> I'm following along on both your github's, and was curious what your goals are with the cape and *bone. See where I can help out:)
  • [03:51:15] <magyarm> as of right now, I have gotten what you guys have posted running on mine. I have my own ideas I plan on trying to make work and share, but you guys know this better than I do, so I'd love to contribute where I can
  • [03:53:14] <ka6sox> ah, okay...
  • [03:53:20] <ka6sox> well..
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  • [03:55:17] <emeb_mac> I've got a couple of SDR-related projects in mind. I've already got that TXDAC working and I'd like to try some receiver stuff next.
  • [03:56:23] <ka6sox> jmoyerman has some fixes to the DTC, I'm incorporating them now
  • [03:56:46] <magyarm> emeb_mac ka6sox, for example: I got really interested in the sort of thing th armadeus project is doing with "Peripherals on Demand". Being able to instanciate softcores and load kernel modules on an as need basis through a sole program. I've been looking at their stuff for a year or so now... and finally have hardware to do it
  • [03:57:26] <ka6sox> magyarm, Software Defined Peripherals
  • [03:57:36] <emeb_mac> yeah, I think ssi has some interesting ideas for implementing that.
  • [03:57:49] <magyarm> ka6sox that is a good term for it
  • [03:59:24] <ka6sox> magyarm, working with jon on this: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/jj2baile/1
  • [03:59:54] <ka6sox> the board has a CPLD as I don't know if we can use the serializers on the PRU or not yet
  • [04:02:50] <magyarm> ka6sox interesting. I'll take a look at what he is doing. Which board has a CPLD?
  • [04:03:22] <ka6sox> https://github.com/ka6sox/BoneTag
  • [04:09:42] <magyarm> ka6sox, now that's cool. Have the prus and the cpld act as a jtag programmer/debugger?
  • [04:10:20] <ka6sox> the idea is to create a cape that can do programming/debugging with JTAG/SWD/SBW and AVRisp
  • [04:12:21] <ka6sox> then its all Software to make it go
  • [04:14:33] <_av500_> HEALTHCARE!!!
  • [04:14:38] <_av500_> oops, wrong channel
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  • [04:17:13] <ka6sox> magyarm, perhaps you would like to play with one of them
  • [04:18:01] <magyarm> the idea sounds cool
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  • [04:18:37] <pru_evtout_2> wow, looks like pasm is being worked on!
  • [04:18:37] <pru_evtout_2> holly crap,
  • [04:18:46] <magyarm> looking at the schematic, I don't see any reason I couldn't use jumpers to the BCC to get the same connections (minus any noise coming from wires)
  • [04:18:49] <pru_evtout_2> err...https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package/blob/master/pru_sw/utils/pasm_source/pasmop.c
  • [04:19:01] <pru_evtout_2> i mean https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package/tree/master/pru_sw/utils
  • [04:19:11] <ka6sox> pru_evtout_2, holly christmas crap
  • [04:19:22] <pru_evtout_2> updated 2 days ago, says WIP for next version. i'm seeing opcodes that aren't in documentation.
  • [04:20:07] <ka6sox> magyarm, the reason for the CPLD is to handle voltage translations and also because we didn't know when we started whether the PRU's Serializers would be usable
  • [04:20:10] <pru_evtout_2> and, multiple pasm versions!
  • [04:20:13] <pru_evtout_2> err..binaries.
  • [04:20:29] <ka6sox> loader or assembler?
  • [04:20:53] <pru_evtout_2> assembler.
  • [04:21:18] <pru_evtout_2> binaries for multiple platforms.
  • [04:21:31] <ka6sox> like linux, doze and maybe even mac?
  • [04:21:38] <pru_evtout_2> yes
  • [04:21:40] <pru_evtout_2> i see mac
  • [04:22:15] <pru_evtout_2> ahh wtf, there's a loop opcode!
  • [04:22:59] <pru_evtout_2> bet it saves a few ticks per loop
  • [04:23:07] <pru_evtout_2> ...i could really use that.
  • [04:24:00] <pru_evtout_2> super rad. looks like the pru might have some life left in it.
  • [04:26:18] <ka6sox> why you say that?
  • [04:26:46] <magyarm> ka6sox, ok. I see. Is they a git where the current progress is right now? I will take a look and wrap my head around it. I have an idea of PRU and how it works, will have to review it again though
  • [04:27:18] <ka6sox> the progress is that we are starting right now
  • [04:27:36] <ka6sox> the big question is to read up on the protocols and timings
  • [04:28:04] <ka6sox> (things like JTAG and TMS/TCK/TDI/TDO
  • [04:28:05] <ka6sox> )
  • [04:28:17] <pru_evtout_2> ka6sox: i've always worried that, since the pru is "unsupported" at this point, it might be removed or something.
  • [04:28:18] <ka6sox> others, like SBW have differnent timings
  • [04:28:36] <ka6sox> that would be a 3352
  • [04:28:40] <ka6sox> pru_evtout_2,
  • [04:28:43] <ka6sox> ^^
  • [04:29:17] <pru_evtout_2> magyarm: i know some pru stuffs maybe.
  • [04:29:45] <magyarm> pru_evtout_2, I'd hope so, it's in your name! :P
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  • [04:30:39] <magyarm> ka6sox no problem. I had a look at JTAG in particular a half year or so ago for a seperate project
  • [04:31:26] <ka6sox> then you and jj2baile might be able to swap notes
  • [04:31:27] <ka6sox> :)
  • [04:33:56] <magyarm> ka6sox, will do some review and research starting tomorrow. It was a little while ago, and I ended up not needing to explicitely use a jtag interface... Code Composer Studio got updated for linux and the Stellaris ICDI started working
  • [04:34:19] <magyarm> won't take too long to bring it all back though
  • [04:35:58] <ka6sox> magyarm, do you use SWD for the stellaris or just JTAG?
  • [04:36:49] <magyarm> used SWD. was going to use JTAG until the 5.2 update happened
  • [04:37:33] <magyarm> I was designed a board around the lm4f120 and wanted to keep things as simple as possible
  • [04:38:47] <magyarm> wait a minute... I'm lying to you. I *shamelessly* copied how the launchpad was programmed, and I assumed it was SWD
  • [04:40:07] <magyarm> but I did break out TDI, TDO, TCK, and TMS plus a handful others from my board to the stellaris launchpad to program debug
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  • [04:41:07] <magyarm> truth be told, I was more worried about my AFE and it's bluetooth link. I will check my notes on what I did tomorrow. at 12:30am don't think straight
  • [04:52:31] <ka6sox> magyarm, understood
  • [04:53:52] <magyarm> ka6sox, I will correct myself tomorrow, and hopefully gave an accurate representation of what I know!
  • [04:55:38] <ka6sox> np...at 12:45am its not the best time to think.
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  • [04:58:07] <[yAK]> just bought a beaglebone black are there any decent project sites or sites to help people starting to learn it? (other than the basic stuff on the beagle site?)
  • [05:09:54] <haksaw> arghblarg, Poll() stopped working when switching distros. Angstrom -> Debian 7.0. Though /gpioX/edge exists
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  • [05:44:04] <KotH> a wonderfull JIHADistic FRIDAY everyone!
  • [05:54:55] <emeb_mac> KotH is a day in the future.
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  • [06:01:21] <KotH> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/52
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  • [06:41:30] <Rocky> Hi, I have two beaglebone, i can see the serial output at the first one, for another one , i can not see any output from serial (both use the same sd card), I do not why?
  • [06:42:12] <dm8tbr> how do you connect to the serial port?
  • [06:43:50] <Rocky> micro usb
  • [06:44:13] <dm8tbr> and which beagle bone is this?
  • [06:44:45] <Rocky> what does this mean?
  • [06:45:13] <dm8tbr> is it white or is it black?
  • [06:45:18] <Rocky> beagle bone includes different series?
  • [06:45:26] <Rocky> white
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  • [06:46:46] <dm8tbr> yes, there is also a newer, black model
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  • [06:51:29] <Rocky> ?
  • [06:52:03] <Rocky> I do not have beaglebone black
  • [06:52:27] <mrpackethead> theres a begleclone red as well
  • [06:53:26] <dm8tbr> from china? ;)
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  • [06:53:42] <mrpackethead> probably.
  • [06:53:46] <mrpackethead> i just heard rumours of it
  • [06:54:18] <mrpackethead> at $0, i'd still buy the blackones
  • [06:54:32] <dm8tbr> Rocky: anyway, your board has a FTDI usb-to-serial chip. so yes, there is a serial port.
  • [06:54:38] <dm8tbr> Rocky: how are you powering the boards?
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  • [07:04:06] <LetoThe2nd> good m??urning trolls, djihadis ad djihadistas.
  • [07:04:54] <KotH> good mourning to you too, your excelency
  • [07:05:24] * LetoThe2nd hands KotH some caffeinated spice
  • [07:05:47] <Rocky> micro usb
  • [07:05:56] * KotH suddenly feels very awake and aware of his suroundings
  • [07:06:17] <Rocky> micro usb supply the power for my board
  • [07:06:34] <LetoThe2nd> Rocky: mini, probably. BB has no micro.
  • [07:07:06] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: doesnt mean you cannot plug in a micro usb power supply ;)
  • [07:07:27] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: yes, if the force is with you.
  • [07:07:42] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: s/force/stupidity/
  • [07:07:49] <Rocky> Ok
  • [07:07:50] <Rocky> mini
  • [07:07:59] <Rocky> it is my mistake
  • [07:08:01] * KotH has been in the army, and thus seen a lot
  • [07:08:14] <KotH> and that stuff is DAU compatible
  • [07:08:17] <KotH> ^^;
  • [07:10:35] <LetoThe2nd> hrhrhr
  • [07:13:01] <KotH> Rocky: does your PC/mac/whatever enummerate the serial port?
  • [07:16:09] <Rocky> when I connect the good one bb to my windows PC, it will shows two COMS( COM8 and COM9), when I connect the bad one bb to my windows PC, it only shows one COM (COM10)
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  • [07:19:13] <Rocky> is it possible that the code in internal ROM is corrupted?
  • [07:19:30] <koen> how do you figure ROM gets corrupted?
  • [07:19:48] <koen> unless you mean the SD or eMMC card and that most certainly isn't ROM
  • [07:20:21] <Rocky> no , I mean the internal rom
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  • [07:20:40] <Rocky> the sdCARD is good, i have verified it on my another good bb
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  • [07:21:26] <Rocky> I mean the code(it will load MLO) in internal rom of beaglebone.
  • [07:21:28] <ka6sox> Rocky, not likely
  • [07:21:40] <ka6sox> not likely at all...
  • [07:23:19] <Rocky> ok, when I boot my bad bb, i can't see any serial output, also I can't capture any network packets between my dhcp server and my bad beaglebone
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  • [07:25:10] <Rocky> any ideas?
  • [07:26:23] <Rocky> the baud rate is 115200
  • [07:28:04] <ka6sox> any lights?
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  • [07:33:13] <Rocky> yes
  • [07:33:24] <Rocky> 4 leds are lighted
  • [07:33:31] <Rocky> always
  • [07:33:37] <ka6sox> solid then.
  • [07:33:43] <Rocky> yes
  • [07:33:52] <Rocky> never down
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  • [07:46:40] <ka6sox> can you check to see if the crystal is oscillating?
  • [07:46:59] <ka6sox> otherwise I'd call RMA on this
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  • [08:05:47] <Rocky> how to check
  • [08:05:48] <Rocky> ?
  • [08:06:17] <KotH> you use an oscilloscope and measure the crystal
  • [08:07:02] <Rocky> ok
  • [08:07:04] <Rocky> thanks
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  • [08:13:54] <ka6sox> if its not going then I'd RMA the board immediately
  • [08:14:13] <ka6sox> also given what you are saying its entirely possible that its DOA
  • [08:18:51] <mrpackethead> doh.
  • [08:18:57] <mrpackethead> another beagle eats the dust
  • [08:19:34] <mrpackethead> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE
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  • [08:21:21] <kman> Hi rdale, I'm a bit lost on the building the latest ffmpeg set of instructions
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  • [08:21:42] <rdale> hi kman
  • [08:22:28] <kman> particularly the bit that says "you need to edit one of the source the build with the latest ffmpeg headers:"
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  • [08:23:20] <rdale> yes, it might be easier just to send you the changed source
  • [08:23:51] <Rocky> what is RMA and DOA?
  • [08:23:58] <kman> OK thanks for that. I don't mind making a clean install of mpd again.
  • [08:24:09] <Rocky> i dont know these terminology
  • [08:24:16] <rdale> have you got ffmpeg built ok?
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  • [08:24:29] <kman> yes that took ages
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  • [08:24:49] <kman> started it last night but decided to pick it up in the morning
  • [08:24:49] <KotH> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/117
  • [08:25:17] <ant_work> RMA = rreturn merchandise authorization DOA = dead on arrival
  • [08:25:49] <ant_work> Rocky: have you really *never* bought any broken electronic part?
  • [08:26:12] <ant_work> lucky
  • [08:27:03] <rdale> i've just mailed you the source - only 3 lines have been changed
  • [08:28:19] <kman> Brilliant. So the same place then? i.e. mpd/src/decoder ?
  • [08:28:34] <emocakes> got myself a new toy yesterday
  • [08:28:35] <emocakes> :)
  • [08:28:36] <KotH> ant_work: either very young, or never bought any hardware
  • [08:28:46] <KotH> ant_work: the latter is more likely
  • [08:28:59] <rdale> yes
  • [08:29:24] <kman> Should I worry if I got this: (sending pastebin link next)
  • [08:29:35] <emocakes> http://i.imgur.com/AjYULz6.jpg
  • [08:29:42] <Rocky> yes
  • [08:29:50] <Rocky> I'm a young boy
  • [08:29:57] <emocakes> mmm
  • [08:30:01] <emocakes> how young are you rocky?
  • [08:30:05] <emocakes> I like young boys
  • [08:30:06] <Rocky> 18
  • [08:30:16] <emocakes> where do you live Rocky?
  • [08:30:20] <panto> Rocky, what is your opinion about the bieber
  • [08:30:39] <kman> http://pastebin.com/5Jr4jXRY
  • [08:30:41] <emocakes> stop hitting on my guy panto, he's not interested in you
  • [08:30:42] <Rocky> china
  • [08:31:00] <emocakes> ooh so you are a young asian boy?
  • [08:31:01] <Rocky> I like kobe
  • [08:31:04] <emocakes> do you have any hair?
  • [08:31:06] <Rocky> yes
  • [08:31:06] * panto kicks emocakes
  • [08:31:21] * emocakes combs what is left of his hair to the side
  • [08:31:32] <Rocky> Be polite???thanks
  • [08:32:09] <emocakes> http://i.qkme.me/35k7vz.jpg
  • [08:32:44] <Rocky> how to make RMA?
  • [08:32:56] <kman> this was after I edited the bracket ie from (AVCODEC_MAX_AUDIO_FRAME_SIZE-----) to (MAX_AUDIO_FRAME_SIZE----) since that was the only part that looked different
  • [08:33:03] <rdale> i'm not sure what has happened there. if you do 'git diff' in mpd does it look the same as the one i mailed you
  • [08:33:04] <emocakes> http://beagleboard.org/Support/RMA
  • [08:33:27] <kman> no, because that was the confusing part. haha
  • [08:33:53] <rdale> the '+' lines are changed, and the '-' lines are the old ones
  • [08:34:31] <rdale> changed or added that is
  • [08:34:50] <kman> all in the same file I was trying to edit?
  • [08:34:56] <rdale> yes
  • [08:35:16] <rdale> you missed adding a #define line i think
  • [08:35:57] <KotH> mranostay_gone: http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-07-04/
  • [08:36:04] <kman> since that was a comment line I thought it best to remove it/ignore it. was I wrong?
  • [08:36:05] <KotH> mranostay_gone: you only have to wait anouther 5 years :)
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  • [08:37:36] <rdale> ah no a '#define' isn't a comment :)
  • [08:38:39] <Rocky> thanks.
  • [08:38:45] <rdale> a comment in C is something between '/*' and '*/'
  • [08:39:51] <kman> ok good to know. and again the + with a blank means it is necessary to leave a line? I'm obviously not a programmer ;-)
  • [08:41:01] <kman> I'm still trying to look for this: diff --git a/src/decoder/ffmpeg_decoder_plugin.c
  • [08:41:40] <rdale> you can just do 'git diff' and you should see three lines that begin with '+'s
  • [08:42:11] <kman> ok I'll do that command.
  • [08:43:58] <kman> ok that looks like it reads similar to your email now.
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  • [08:45:34] <rdale> ok good
  • [08:46:18] <rdale> if it builds you probably got it right
  • [08:49:40] <ka6sox> Rocky, sorry to tell you that...but based upon what you are saying that is what I would do.
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  • [08:54:58] <mrpackethead> ?????????????????????
  • [08:54:59] <mrpackethead> ????????????
  • [08:54:59] <mrpackethead> ??????
  • [08:55:55] <kman> I must be doing something right if the text keeps on changing colour ;-)
  • [08:56:31] <dm8tbr> they are talking in shrubs again!
  • [08:56:50] <mrpackethead> rocky: where in china are you ?
  • [08:56:53] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: already started sourcing the components (resistors and 0603 caps and LEDs for now, just to get some practice before taking on the fun stuff)
  • [08:57:27] <mrpackethead> next time we do a 'co-op' cape, maybe we should do the parts sourcing
  • [08:57:28] <mrpackethead> as well
  • [08:57:51] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: i'd put on the FPGA first
  • [08:57:57] <mrpackethead> before i did anything else
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  • [08:58:37] <mrpackethead> ??????
  • [08:58:37] <mrpackethead> ???????????????
  • [08:58:47] <mrpackethead> suspect that is not the right characters
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  • [08:59:05] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: I'll try to keep the safety margin around the FPGA and the 74AUP1T157s I think - why would you start with FPGA?
  • [08:59:21] <mrpackethead> because its the thing you'll most likely have trouble with
  • [08:59:30] <mrpackethead> hve you done any SMD before?
  • [08:59:57] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: no, apart from trying to desolder components from a commercial board using crappy soldering iron - that's why I'm starting with resistors
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  • [09:00:53] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: and I managed to tear apart a few fuses in the process
  • [09:01:11] <kfoltman> + components sticking to the iron, etc.
  • [09:01:16] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: this is not an easy board to start with
  • [09:01:22] <mrpackethead> its completely doable
  • [09:01:29] <mrpackethead> but its not an easy one
  • [09:01:44] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: I know, I've tried to find something easier to practice on first; it doesn't look as scary as I initially thought anyway
  • [09:01:49] <rdale> it would be interesting to measure the difference in power consumption with the performance cpu governor - it might not be that much
  • [09:02:02] <mrpackethead> just use plenty of flux
  • [09:02:19] <mrpackethead> the gold pads won't stick particually well
  • [09:02:59] <kman> Yeah, after your email I changed it back to performance to evaluate it further ;-)
  • [09:03:28] <rdale> yes, 300 MHz is way too low
  • [09:04:09] <kman> I kinda agree that that a stable /fixed clock frequency should be a good thing
  • [09:04:58] <kman> boo I get another error after I attempted another make command :-(
  • [09:05:38] <kman> http://pastebin.com/cZMq95dz
  • [09:06:35] <ynezz> hm, what cape are you talking about?
  • [09:07:21] <ka6sox> unknown
  • [09:07:31] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, is this BCC?
  • [09:07:41] <mrpackethead> yes.
  • [09:07:41] <kfoltman> ynezz: me? mrpackethead's Blank Canvas Cape
  • [09:07:52] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: its not my BCC..
  • [09:08:03] <mrpackethead> I just had the PCB's made
  • [09:08:14] <ka6sox> kfoltman, take solder and drag it across the pins
  • [09:08:19] <ka6sox> just tack the corner pins
  • [09:08:26] <mrpackethead> emeb is the guru, ka6sox is also a guru on it.
  • [09:08:40] <mrpackethead> i just got mine going this weekend.
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  • [09:09:14] <mrpackethead> i have a tricky problem to sovle
  • [09:09:14] <m_billybob> good old drag technique
  • [09:09:25] <ka6sox> kfoltman, please only tack parts on (chips) then take pictures, then solder the rest after either emeb or I verify orientation.
  • [09:09:32] <kfoltman> ka6sox: yes, I've been looking at youtube videos, it's just that watching someone else do it and doing it myself is a totally different story :)
  • [09:09:39] <m_billybob> show himthe drag technique solder pr0n on youtube
  • [09:09:41] <kman> is this something to do with needing to swap --- with +++ ? because it references send packet
  • [09:09:42] <kfoltman> ka6sox: great idea actually!
  • [09:09:59] <ka6sox> np
  • [09:10:49] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: you can buy some dummy parts
  • [09:10:50] <mrpackethead> http://www.smtnet.com/company/index.cfm?fuseaction=view_company&company_id=45803
  • [09:11:07] <rdale> no, i'm not sure what's caused that
  • [09:11:08] <kfoltman> I'm battling with the idea of buying a cheap temperature controlled/hot air combo
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  • [09:11:19] <m_billybob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUyetZ5RtPs
  • [09:11:33] <ka6sox> kfoltman, that is an excellent idea
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  • [09:12:00] <ka6sox> okay 2:11am here...up in 6hrs so I'll catch you guys then
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  • [09:12:15] <ka6sox> kfoltman, if you take pics post FULL Size ones someplace
  • [09:12:22] <ka6sox> some of the marks are TINY
  • [09:12:36] <kfoltman> ka6sox: I'll use my wife's 550D with extension tube, perhaps ;)
  • [09:13:09] <ka6sox> and the SPI Flash is real easy to get backwards and hard to see the bevel.
  • [09:13:09] <rdale> i need to go to prepare for a meeting - i'll see if i can help diagnose what went wrong later
  • [09:13:20] <kman> cool, thanks!
  • [09:13:31] <m_billybob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erb6-i54tbo
  • [09:13:33] <ka6sox> the 550 is a good idea
  • [09:13:44] <ka6sox> okay, I need sleep now...
  • [09:13:47] <ka6sox> laters folks
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  • [09:13:55] <kfoltman> I haven't tried using it as a pseudo-microscope, worried about fucking up the lens
  • [09:14:01] <m_billybob> ni ni ka6sox-away
  • [09:14:05] <kfoltman> I mean, using USB remote shooting feature
  • [09:14:24] <kfoltman> but perhaps with extra macro ring over the lens it's safe-ish
  • [09:14:32] <ka6sox-away> kfoltman, you can make it work...I have been quite successful with that technique
  • [09:14:33] <mrpackethead> a good magnifiying glass with leds in it is relaly useful
  • [09:14:34] <m_billybob> you have one of those microsoft usb microscopes ?
  • [09:14:36] <m_billybob> heheh
  • [09:14:46] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: I don't have one yet
  • [09:14:49] <kfoltman> m_billybob: what about them?
  • [09:14:54] <ka6sox-away> bbl
  • [09:14:55] <kfoltman> I don't, no
  • [09:15:08] <mrpackethead> USB camera things are just useless
  • [09:15:09] <mrpackethead> dont' bother
  • [09:15:41] <m_billybob> kfoltman we haveone was just curioius. thought it was funny that someone else would use a kids toy as an electronics tool
  • [09:15:44] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: what's the problem, bad optics? bad resolution? high latency?
  • [09:15:51] <mrpackethead> all of the above
  • [09:16:04] <kfoltman> m_billybob: it's a kids hobby for me (even though I have a kid myself :P)
  • [09:17:22] <m_billybob> kfoltman ny buddy ghs been an ee for ~35 years, so never quite a hobby for us
  • [09:17:29] <m_billybob> has been*
  • [09:17:47] <mrpackethead> http://www.jaycar.co.nz/products_uploaded/productLarge_13442.jpg
  • [09:17:50] <mrpackethead> something like that
  • [09:17:53] <mrpackethead> is really handy
  • [09:18:00] <mrpackethead> becuase its got a base on it
  • [09:18:03] <mrpackethead> you can rest it on the board
  • [09:18:07] <mrpackethead> and the focus is right
  • [09:18:09] <mrpackethead> it has leds in it
  • [09:18:30] <mrpackethead> this cost me about $25
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  • [09:19:06] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: the problem is that amazon/ebay/maplin is full of stuff, 90+% of which is junk
  • [09:19:20] <mrpackethead> smeagol: want to play riddles with this hobbit?
  • [09:19:51] <smeagol> okay i have one for you
  • [09:20:40] <m_billybob> I like the magnifying ring lamp we have
  • [09:20:50] <m_billybob> they're not cheap though
  • [09:20:52] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: for now, I use a magnifier from one of these "helping hands" thingies (= utter crap) or a Chinese knock-off macro ring for a camera
  • [09:22:20] <smeagol> I am interfacing a USB 2.0 Logitech camera with my BEagleboard XM. I have opencv intalled and i'm compiling my codes through codeblocks ide. i am trying to stream a video using cvCaptureFromCAM in an infite while but it is only capturing the first frame and unable to capture any frames after that.
  • [09:22:36] <mrpackethead> smeagol: when is your assignment due
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  • [09:23:40] <smeagol> its a project..due in a few weeks why?
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  • [09:25:14] <mrpackethead> what is your course?
  • [09:25:59] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: I'll try the 550d approach first (because I don't need to spend any money on that), and if that fails, then perhaps start shopping for a decent magnifier, though I'll probably have a lot of confusion due to junk flood
  • [09:26:21] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: you really do need to be able to get some magification on it
  • [09:26:25] <mrpackethead> however you do
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  • [09:27:10] <mrpackethead> you wont' be able to see bridges without it
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  • [09:32:36] <mrpackethead> smeagol: ?
  • [09:32:45] <emocakes> yes?
  • [09:33:39] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/200929562880 - is it a worthy upgrade over http://www.maplin.co.uk/50w-solder-station-35016 ?
  • [09:33:44] <KotH> mrpackethead: interesting
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  • [09:33:54] <KotH> mrpackethead: smeagol is at bosch in germany
  • [09:33:56] <mrpackethead> KotH: what is interesting?
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  • [09:34:35] <mrpackethead> smeagol: i am sorry, if i mistook you for a student who was looking for someone to do his homework
  • [09:34:38] <KotH> mrpackethead: ie it's not our usual indian student with an opencv exercise
  • [09:34:45] <emocakes> lol
  • [09:34:53] <emocakes> smeagol i have alink for youy
  • [09:34:54] <emocakes> hold on
  • [09:35:17] <mrpackethead> smeagol: it happens *every* day
  • [09:35:27] <KotH> at least twice
  • [09:35:34] <emocakes> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QouvYMfmQo
  • [09:36:31] <mrpackethead> emocakes: thats pretty good
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  • [09:36:38] <smeagol> thank you..
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  • [09:36:46] <emocakes> that guys videos are really good
  • [09:37:02] <mrpackethead> ahh, hes an angstrom lover
  • [09:37:38] <m_billybob> i wouldnt say lover
  • [09:37:40] <emocakes> either way, he codes in C
  • [09:37:45] <emocakes> so its all the same shit
  • [09:37:45] <m_billybob> Id say he just uses whats there
  • [09:37:47] <mrpackethead> so, hes cool
  • [09:38:31] <m_billybob> mrpackethead his latest video covers device tree overlays
  • [09:38:59] <m_billybob> mrpackethead and if you want to know how to use debugfs on debian, i can help you with that too lol
  • [09:39:19] <kfoltman> http://www.ebay.ie/itm/200929562880 <- any "HELL NO" about that?
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  • [09:39:52] <m_billybob> http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/debian-tips/beaglebone-black/mount-debugfs-on-debian/
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  • [09:40:38] <m_billybob> we have oine similr to that kfoltman thoug only one "head"
  • [09:40:56] <m_billybob> is that a soldering station too or a small air nozzle ?
  • [09:41:22] <kfoltman> m_billybob: I think it's both
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  • [09:41:34] <m_billybob> ah a 2 in 1
  • [09:42:07] <m_billybob> yeah ours is single use hot air
  • [09:42:22] <kfoltman> anyway, just wanted to know in case many people bought it before and found it's utter crap
  • [09:42:22] <m_billybob> made in china cheapy, but its worked fine for over 5 years
  • [09:42:40] <mru> when I need hot air, I just grab a middle manager
  • [09:42:52] <kfoltman> mru: not here, we have some decent ones
  • [09:42:53] <mrpackethead> mru: ha ha ha ha
  • [09:43:05] <kfoltman> mru: but they're all experienced programmers :P
  • [09:43:35] <mru> they're de-experienced
  • [09:43:52] <m_billybob> and programming manager type is double expensive
  • [09:43:54] <kfoltman> mru: they're still coding/debugging, so they're immune I think
  • [09:43:58] <m_billybob> first because they get paid too much
  • [09:44:05] <m_billybob> second because they all suck as real programmers
  • [09:44:07] <mru> kfoltman: then they're no proper managers
  • [09:44:17] <kfoltman> mru: there are no proper managers :P
  • [09:44:19] <mru> see also 'no true scotsman'
  • [09:44:24] <kfoltman> yup
  • [09:44:44] <KotH> mru: http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-06-05/
  • [09:45:27] <mru> btw, is it still friday?
  • [09:46:31] <XorA_> desoldering using a middle manager, now thats an idea
  • [09:46:35] <m_billybob> lol ebay must be hard up for money now days. since when did they start using google ads on their pages
  • [09:46:46] <KotH> mru: ofc
  • [09:47:17] <KotH> kfoltman: the name "kitchen star" doesnt make very trustworthy
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  • [09:54:43] <mrpackethead> i got a weird bbb
  • [09:54:53] <mrpackethead> drops ssh sessiosn from my macbook
  • [09:55:00] <mrpackethead> but everything else runs fine
  • [09:55:14] <mrpackethead> yet, same build, on other machiens is just fine
  • [09:55:38] <m_billybob> what about connections from other machines ?
  • [09:55:53] <mrpackethead> other machiens are fine as well
  • [09:56:15] <m_billybob> so not really a bbb thing so much as osx
  • [09:56:24] <mrpackethead> yeah, its just this one machien though
  • [09:56:27] <mrpackethead> its weird
  • [09:56:48] <KotH> mrpackethead: ssh over ethernet?
  • [09:56:51] <m_billybob> wonder if there are any known issues between osx and openssh-server
  • [09:57:06] <KotH> mrpackethead: could be that the magnetics are not ok or the PHY broken
  • [09:57:28] <mrpackethead> yeah, but then other machiens woudl break
  • [09:57:33] <KotH> not necessarily
  • [09:57:40] <KotH> it's analog, not digital
  • [09:57:48] <mrpackethead> icmp / web / everythign else is runnign fine
  • [09:57:56] <KotH> broken devices just shift the error probability
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  • [09:58:16] <KotH> mrpackethead: icmp echo? with all small or large packets?
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  • [09:59:30] <mru> I've had broken ethernet stuff work with some devices and not others
  • [09:59:51] <mrpackethead> and its intermitent
  • [09:59:53] <mrpackethead> jsut for fun
  • [10:00:02] <mrpackethead> but every other device connecting to it works
  • [10:00:22] <mrpackethead> KotH: i'm just running a sweep of ping sizes
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  • [10:00:52] <emocakes> http://www.adafruit.com/products/451
  • [10:00:54] <emocakes> hmmm
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  • [10:10:38] <mrpackethead> KotH: 8 to 1500 bytes, all are ok
  • [10:10:44] <mrpackethead> not a single packet dropped
  • [10:10:50] <mrpackethead> its weird
  • [10:11:02] <mrpackethead> my hop off ssh works
  • [10:11:07] <mrpackethead> ie, ssh to another machine
  • [10:11:16] <mrpackethead> and then to then back to the bbb
  • [10:11:31] <mrpackethead> can have direct connections to the other 4 bbb's in the rack as well
  • [10:11:38] <mrpackethead> so, i'm really not sure whats happening
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  • [10:12:30] <av500> koen: what a simple stepper driver?
  • [10:12:33] <av500> for 3 stepper?
  • [10:14:59] <kfoltman> KotH: yes, the "kitchen star" thing is a bit of a turn-off
  • [10:16:24] <kfoltman> KotH: any known-not-bad alternatives you're aware of?
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  • [10:24:57] <m_billybob> mrpackethead i guess dmesgis of no use ?
  • [10:25:12] <m_billybob> dmesg is*
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  • [10:28:45] <KotH> kfoltman: Leiter HOT JET S
  • [10:28:49] <KotH> kfoltman: that's what we use
  • [10:29:28] <KotH> kfoltman: er.. leister, not leiter
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  • [10:30:21] <eballetbo> What does "bone_capemgr.8: slot #4: Failed to resolve tree" means ?
  • [10:31:58] <kfoltman> KotH: that's something I'd buy if I had a repair business, but probably a bit of overkill for home use?
  • [10:32:20] <KotH> kfoltman: not really
  • [10:32:39] <KotH> kfoltman: if i wouldnt have access to one at work, i would buy one for home use
  • [10:33:04] <kfoltman> 750$ is probably more than lifetime of burned SMD parts in my case ;)
  • [10:33:08] <KotH> kfoltman: ok.. i have also an ersa digital controlled 80W soldering statin at home, so i might not be a good reference
  • [10:33:15] <KotH> kfoltman: huh?
  • [10:33:23] <KotH> kfoltman: we paid something around 300CHF
  • [10:33:58] <KotH> kfoltman: i know the USD is low, but i didnt know you had a 100% inflation in the last months
  • [10:34:20] <kfoltman> KotH: I didn't, I'm in EU
  • [10:34:25] <kfoltman> just checking odd prices here and there
  • [10:34:35] <KotH> kfoltman: ask manufacturer directly
  • [10:34:40] <KotH> kfoltman: it's a german company
  • [10:35:43] <KotH> kfoltman: oh.. correction, it's a swiss company
  • [10:36:08] <KotH> kfoltman: so you have to pay the protective duties of the EU
  • [10:36:41] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: a good temp controlled iron is all you need
  • [10:36:45] <mrpackethead> dont' worry about hot-air
  • [10:36:59] <dwery> KotH: if there's something meant to protect EU, then it's not working
  • [10:37:05] <mrpackethead> they cause mroe problems than they are worth unless you really know what you are doing
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  • [10:41:16] <KotH> dwery: it's not meant to protect the EU, but to annoy swiss people
  • [10:41:18] <KotH> dwery: nothing else
  • [10:41:37] <dwery> then I think it's working :D
  • [10:41:42] <KotH> dwery: swiss see the EU often as the big bully
  • [10:42:10] <panto> eballetbo, no resolve information
  • [10:42:15] <panto> what are you trying to do?
  • [10:42:28] <panto> I sure hope you're not trying the 3.10 kernel and expect it to work
  • [10:42:35] <dwery> KotH: bullying the swiss doesn't seem smart to me.. and I don't think it ever worked
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  • [10:44:08] <KotH> dwery: it is still done
  • [10:44:12] <KotH> dwery: and often too
  • [10:44:20] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: I was thinking of learning reflow at some point, perhaps - unless it's clearly a bad idea (people have strong and divided opinions about that)
  • [10:44:21] <eballetbo> panto, I'm trying to create a custom rootfs for my beaglebone built with Yocto and meta-ti, I'm using kernel 3.8.13
  • [10:44:43] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: hotair != reflow
  • [10:44:44] <panto> in that case you're missing -@ from the dtc invocations
  • [10:45:01] <dwery> KotH: I'd suggest to use a negative interest rate on EU bank accounts in CH...
  • [10:45:11] <KotH> dwery: like the germans... the use z?rich airport quite often (iirc about 30% of the passengers are germans), but deny the right for planes to pass north of the airport
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  • [10:45:59] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: if you want to do something easy, and much more useful, buy or build your self a bench top reflow oven
  • [10:46:10] <mrpackethead> that is a much easier technique
  • [10:46:20] <mrpackethead> or look at the 'skillet' method
  • [10:46:34] <mrpackethead> i built my first smd oven for about $150
  • [10:47:49] <eballetbo> panto: What you mean ? I'm just introducing to DT. I'm using kernel from https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8
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  • [10:48:18] <KotH> kfoltman: what mrpackethead just said!
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  • [10:48:29] <panto> you need to pass -@ to the dtc compiler to generate the required information in the DTB
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  • [10:48:46] <KotH> kfoltman: a simple oven with temp control that can be controlled using a pc (for temp curve) is probably the easiest for 99% of your use
  • [10:49:06] <KotH> kfoltman: but you need some way to get the paste onto the board for everything that is not bga
  • [10:49:19] <mrpackethead> oh the sparkfun reflow controller is EOL
  • [10:49:23] <eballetbo> panto: ok, thanks I'll try
  • [10:49:37] <KotH> kfoltman: on the other hand, we use our reflow oven to resolder dfn/qfn after we soldered them by hand first
  • [10:50:20] <KotH> kfoltman: for everything like passives, qfn, tssop, etc that has the pins outside: we use a fine solder tip and do it by hand
  • [10:50:46] <kfoltman> mrpackethead, KotH: ok, so a better iron is probably the best option for now
  • [10:50:50] <mrpackethead> KotH: beagle controller
  • [10:51:01] <mrpackethead> KotH: reflow smd controller
  • [10:51:07] <mrpackethead> theres an idea for a spare moment
  • [10:51:08] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [10:51:09] <KotH> mrpackethead: counts as "PC" for this :)
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  • [10:51:55] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: yes, Good iron, tip, flux, good tweezers and maginifying glass
  • [10:52:09] <trv> hi
  • [10:52:20] <mrpackethead> the oven will just help you speed things up
  • [10:52:32] <KotH> mrpackethead: how do you handle solder paste?
  • [10:52:32] <mrpackethead> I use an oven for doing my prototypes
  • [10:52:46] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: it's probably easier but big things in rented house when we might want to move any day = bad
  • [10:52:54] <kfoltman> I mean, reflow oven is
  • [10:53:12] <mrpackethead> kfoltman:, my little oven is about 35x30x30cm
  • [10:53:15] <mrpackethead> its not big
  • [10:53:15] <kfoltman> sorry guys, I need to go for a moment, I'm at work and explain some derp
  • [10:53:20] <mrpackethead> cost me about $90
  • [10:53:25] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: ah! that sounds much better
  • [10:53:33] <koen> av500: ebay has a few tbs ones
  • [10:53:35] <KotH> kfoltman: to do smd stuff, get a >60W soldering station where you can set the temp. does not need to be digital, you wont be setting the temp to anyhting but in ~50?C steps anyways
  • [10:53:38] <mrpackethead> just one of those little bench top thing
  • [10:53:39] <koen> tbs6<something>
  • [10:53:51] <koen> av500: should be be compatible with a parallelport
  • [10:54:00] <kfoltman> KotH: mine is 50W with a knob, but without a scale
  • [10:54:02] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: a hakko FX-888 is good
  • [10:54:24] <KotH> kfoltman: does not necessarily need a scale. you just need to know how hot it approx gets
  • [10:54:32] <KotH> kfoltman: and that you get from how fast your solder melts
  • [10:54:34] <trv> hi.. I need help on building modules for beagle board xM C2 running in linux 2.6.32
  • [10:54:47] <mrpackethead> and really the reading on the dial is just indicative
  • [10:55:04] <mrpackethead> i have a iron temp device
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  • [10:57:46] <trv> Hello
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  • [11:10:30] <panto> https://github.com/pantoniou/testpru
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  • [11:14:08] <Rocky> strange error in u-boot built by myself, Unknown command 'mmc', Unknown command 'run'
  • [11:14:56] <mru> forget to enable mmc support?
  • [11:15:54] <Rocky> when I try to input help in u-boot command line
  • [11:16:11] <Rocky> Unknown command 'help' is printed
  • [11:16:22] <mru> so you forgot to enable that too
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  • [11:23:37] <m_billybob> yeah the bbb is a bit overkil for a reflow oven though
  • [11:23:46] <m_billybob> can be done with a single msp430 G2553
  • [11:24:09] * m_billybob has done it
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  • [11:29:48] <av500> koen: tbs6?
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  • [11:30:38] <av500> ah got it
  • [11:30:42] <av500> no, too much
  • [11:30:54] <av500> will get 3 LM298 bridges
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  • [11:49:45] <KotH> m_billybob: it might be overkill, but consider the time you spend on it vs its cost
  • [11:50:20] <KotH> m_billybob: unless you've done a lot of uC stuff in your life, using a bbb is much faster than programming a uC
  • [11:51:13] <KotH> m_billybob: and even assuming a meager sallary of 100CHF/h, half an hour saved and you will be below the price difference
  • [11:55:00] <KotH> hmm... maybe an arduino might be as fast.. dunno, never tried one of those
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  • [12:09:34] <ynezz> wow, 100CHF/hour :)
  • [12:10:21] <jackmitchell> meager... right ;)
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  • [12:11:49] <ynezz> well, if you work for 200CHF/hour, then it could be considered meager :)
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  • [12:12:51] <jackmitchell> swissland is expensive though; so I suppose that has to be taken into consideration
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  • [12:15:19] <KotH> well, if you'd want to hire me, you'd bay ~200CHF/h
  • [12:15:33] <KotH> ofc, i only get a small part of that money ^^'
  • [12:15:56] <KotH> s/bay/pay/
  • [12:16:02] <jackmitchell> ah; swiss + consultancy based
  • [12:16:08] <KotH> nope
  • [12:16:12] <jackmitchell> I can almost hear the cash register ;)
  • [12:16:19] <KotH> a consulat costs >500CHF/h
  • [12:16:24] <ogra_> do they pay the rest to you in chocolate and cheese ?
  • [12:16:37] <jackmitchell> so you're to hire, but not a consultant?
  • [12:16:39] <KotH> nope, .ch is a BYOC economy
  • [12:17:32] * dm8tbr has this old alias in his IRC client from his Insultant days:
  • [12:17:32] <KotH> jackmitchell: we are an contractor engineering company. usually we do whole projects, but from time to time we are hired by the hour when customers have special needs
  • [12:17:34] <dm8tbr> Hire me. My rate would be onehundredandfifty an hour. Plus VAT and expenses. Four hours minimum. Dollars for small problems, Euros for big problems. British Pounds for management problems.
  • [12:17:49] <KotH> dm8tbr: you like that, dont you? :)
  • [12:17:54] <dm8tbr> yeeeees
  • [12:18:14] <jackmitchell> KotH: fair play; makes sense!
  • [12:19:15] <KotH> jackmitchell: ripping off customers never pays off :)
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  • [12:19:30] <mycho> hi
  • [12:19:30] <jackmitchell> I heartily concur
  • [12:19:58] <ogra_> really depends how big you rip them off ... if you dont need to work anymore afterwards that should work
  • [12:20:28] <KotH> gr?ezi herr mycho, how can we abuse you today?
  • [12:20:35] <ogra_> :)
  • [12:20:43] <mycho> :)
  • [12:20:49] <panto> mucho?
  • [12:22:09] * dm8tbr agrees with jackmitchell and KotH - honest approach always paid off best, also in terms of long term moniez
  • [12:22:51] <jackmitchell> + sanity and morality; not that I see much evidence of that in here ;)
  • [12:22:59] * SpeedEvil hits dm8tbr over the head, and takes his wallet.
  • [12:23:20] <KotH> jackmitchell: we are very sane and absolutely moral trolls!
  • [12:23:48] <mycho> can you help me: i try to activate the SPI1 interface on my bbb but i dont get it work i tried the instruction on http://hipstercircuits.com
  • [12:23:52] <dm8tbr> have fun with my empty worn out wallet :)
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  • [12:38:25] <KotH> mycho: "i have a problem" is not a problem description
  • [12:38:41] <mru> it does indicate a problem though
  • [12:38:52] <mru> a problem to communicate
  • [12:38:58] <jackmitchell> a problem with explaining problems
  • [12:39:01] <KotH> mycho: what did you do, why do you think it failed and what did you try to remedy the situation?
  • [12:39:31] <KotH> mycho: and could you please send everyone a box of good swiss chocolate, please? thanks
  • [12:41:04] <ant_work> KotH: you know you'll be indexed with 'chocolate' by Google, do you?
  • [12:41:18] <ynezz> and jihad
  • [12:41:24] <ant_work> heh
  • [12:41:55] <KotH> not really http://www.google.com/search?q=chocolate+koth
  • [12:42:20] <ynezz> try google.ch
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  • [12:42:54] <KotH> no difference
  • [12:44:03] <ant_work> spell it a bit more frequently and you'll be done ;)
  • [12:45:13] <KotH> chocolate! chocolate! chocolate! chocolate! chocolate! chocolate! chocolate! chocolate! chocolate! chocolate! chocolate! chocolate! chocolate!
  • [12:45:34] * KotH eats a piece of l?derach
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  • [12:51:00] <KotH> mru: thought so!
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  • [12:51:11] <KotH> ^^'
  • [12:52:05] <ant_work> me can't resist..
  • [12:52:43] <ant_work> Guest638666 seems pretty catchy as a nick
  • [12:54:41] <ant_work> KotH: when one guy did change from Guest*** -> foo one friend did the same comment
  • [12:54:53] <ant_work> I'm still laughing at the answer
  • [12:55:01] <mycho> i dont live in swiss ;)
  • [12:55:01] <ant_work> "yeah, it took me awhile to think it up - i was becoming pretty
  • [12:55:01] <ant_work> attached to it and sorry i had to change"
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  • [12:55:39] <mru> KotH: damn, you stole my line
  • [12:55:49] * exception aaaaaa
  • [12:57:09] <KotH> mru: on earl grey and chocolate, my reaction time is reaching planck time!
  • [12:58:01] <mycho> ok well my problem in detail i know that i have to overlay the device-tree to enable spi so i copiled my overlay code and after that i have to load it right?
  • [12:58:12] <exception> KotH: on beer and alcohol, guess what reaches planck's length ?
  • [12:58:57] <mru> mranostay!
  • [13:01:41] <mycho> well ias mentioned in the google group i added "capemgr.enable_partno=BB-SPI0DEV" in uEnv.txt in the boot partition but after rebooting the spidevice didnt show up in /dev
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  • [13:10:52] <jackmitchell> mycho: I don't see a cape called BB-SPI0DEV in the firmware directory
  • [13:11:26] <jackmitchell> where did it come from?
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  • [13:12:52] <mycho> i downloadid it here http://pastebin.com/DdWtdtds and compiled it
  • [13:13:18] <jackmitchell> ok, and where did you put it?
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  • [13:14:13] <mycho> the compiled fil i put in /lib/firmware
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  • [13:15:05] <jackmitchell> and you called it BB-SPI0DEV.dtbo
  • [13:15:44] <mycho> BB-SPI0DEV-00A0.dtbo
  • [13:16:16] <jackmitchell> hmmm, I'm no devicetree overlay expert but should the partno=BB-SPI0DEV-00A0? panto?
  • [13:17:11] <jackmitchell> mycho: could you pastebin the output of dmesg?
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  • [13:19:25] <mycho> well dmesg dosnt mention spi
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  • [13:26:03] <panto> jackmitchell, default revision is 00A0
  • [13:26:41] <ooty> Just building a small PCB for the BeagleBone Black. Can anyone confirm that on the BBB, for SPI0, SPI0_D0 and SPI0_D1 are interchangable?
  • [13:26:57] <jackmitchell> panto: and you don't need to state the revision in the enable_partno?
  • [13:27:29] <jackmitchell> mycho: if dmesg doesn't mention spi then it doesn't look like it's even attempting to load the dtb
  • [13:27:42] <jackmitchell> can you post it anyway
  • [13:27:43] <mycho> yea it seams like
  • [13:27:59] <jackmitchell> it will show you kernel commandline which will give some more info
  • [13:28:07] <jackmitchell> and prove that you're doing that correctly
  • [13:28:51] <mycho> which part of dmesg
  • [13:28:58] <jackmitchell> all of it
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  • [13:29:43] <panto> jackmitchell, when you don't supply one the default the revision is 00A0
  • [13:30:02] <jackmitchell> panto: ok; good to know!
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  • [13:30:06] <jackmitchell> thanks
  • [13:32:39] <mycho> well i just got it work by loading the overlay manual
  • [13:32:57] <panto> there shouldn't be any difference
  • [13:33:01] <mycho> now ther is a spidev1.0 device
  • [13:33:13] <jackmitchell> which points to kernel command line issue probably; which I'm trying to get you to post...
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  • [13:33:59] <mycho> i think the whole dmesg is to large for a chat
  • [13:34:13] <jackmitchell> it is, so use pastebin as mentioned earlier
  • [13:34:35] <jackmitchell> http://www.pastebin.com
  • [13:37:09] <mycho> i see
  • [13:37:27] <jackmitchell> paste it in there, then post the link after you've pressed submit
  • [13:41:18] <mycho> http://pastebin.com/Qm1382DN
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  • [13:43:50] <mycho> ahh i see by line 793 there are the problems
  • [13:44:29] <jackmitchell> mycho: that;s where you manually loaded it I think
  • [13:44:41] <mycho> yea i see
  • [13:44:56] <jackmitchell> if you look at 146
  • [13:45:08] <jackmitchell> you can see that it doens't detect that it's being asked to load a cape
  • [13:45:42] <mycho> ok
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  • [13:45:55] <Aathma> happy 4th everybody!
  • [13:46:18] <jackmitchell> what happens on the 4th?
  • [13:46:31] <panto> freedom!
  • [13:46:46] <panto> * depending on prism availability
  • [13:46:59] <jackmitchell> s/availability/downtime
  • [13:47:09] <mru> we switch to programming in forth for a day
  • [13:47:11] <jackmitchell> panto: is this the right way to specify a cape
  • [13:47:22] <jackmitchell> panto: Kernel command line: console=ttyO0,115200n8 quiet drm.debug=7 capemgr.enable_partno=BB-SPI0DEV root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ro rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
  • [13:47:38] <panto> yeah, it's fine
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  • [13:47:53] <panto> it will try to load /lib/firmware/BB-SPI0DEV-00A0.dtbo
  • [13:47:56] <jackmitchell> mycho: I don't know why your cape isn't loading then, it all looks good
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  • [13:48:43] <mycho> well i guess that the capemgr.enable_partno feature is only supported in newer kernel then mine i just used the board out of the box
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  • [13:50:01] <mycho> but im lucky that manual loading works
  • [13:50:42] <panto> mycho, ugh
  • [13:50:51] <mycho> the maual loading of the overlay of http://hipstercircuits.com/ dint work soo im happy now
  • [13:50:53] <panto> yes, this is working only on recent kernel
  • [13:51:11] <CyL> How much of RAM does the beaglebone black have?
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  • [13:51:22] <panto> May 20
  • [13:51:29] <jackmitchell> CyL: http://beagleboard.org/
  • [13:51:57] <CyL> jackmitchell: Well, I'm there, but this particular information seems to be a bit buried
  • [13:52:19] <jackmitchell> CyL: I appologise, I've just looked and you're right. It isn't obvious
  • [13:52:30] <jackmitchell> CyL: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack#BeagleBone_Black_Features
  • [13:52:57] <mycho> ok thanks for the great help anyway im totaly new to devicetrees
  • [13:53:09] <KotH> CyL: there is the hardware manual. a huge pdf that contains all sorts of information
  • [13:53:13] <KotH> CyL: you should read that
  • [13:53:36] <CyL> Also it states that it has a dual microncontroller, I did not understand if this is a single chip dual core, or it is dual chip single core
  • [13:53:36] <jackmitchell> I concur that it should also be on the front page though
  • [13:54:20] <panto> CyL, there's a big ARM8 running at 1GHz
  • [13:54:22] <panto> that's running linux
  • [13:54:28] <CyL> KotH: Oh, I surely will after I buy one of them, but I'm still just considering
  • [13:54:38] <panto> there are two PRU running at 200MHz (that's like AVRs )
  • [13:54:39] <KotH> CyL: microcontroller? an A8?
  • [13:54:56] <panto> there's also a hidden ARM-m3 core just for PM
  • [13:55:03] <panto> and of course whatever the GPU has
  • [13:55:16] <CyL> KotH: 2x PRU 32-bit microcontrollers <-- from the front page
  • [13:55:29] <KotH> CyL: ah.. PRU != processor
  • [13:55:36] <CyL> KotH: I'd call it mcu no matter powerfull it is if it has embedded IO hardware
  • [13:56:00] <CyL> KotH: But that's just my personal non professional opinion
  • [13:56:02] <panto> KotH, it's a processor alright
  • [13:56:08] <KotH> CyL: so, you'd call a 8 core xeon a uC if it is in an embedded system?
  • [13:56:18] <panto> feels just like early RISC era
  • [13:56:54] <CyL> KotH: Not if it is an embedded syste, if it has embedded IO hardware bult into the chip, like serial ports, flash memory interfaces, ethernet hardware and so on
  • [13:57:24] <KotH> panto: who's responsible for the bbb page?
  • [13:57:36] <panto> the ether
  • [13:57:38] <CyL> KotH: But again, that's just me, that's the big difference I see in MCU and GP uP's nowadays
  • [13:57:54] <panto> CyL, what you call GP uP is dying
  • [13:57:57] <KotH> CyL: that's called SoC these days :)
  • [13:58:02] <CyL> panto: Agreed
  • [13:58:03] <panto> even intel is moving away from that model
  • [13:58:30] <panto> there's a huge number of transistors that's just idling in the CPUs
  • [13:58:39] <panto> putting more cores in is not helping much
  • [13:58:41] <CyL> KotH: Well, SoC is a bit more general than MCU's in the sense it has programable hardware in it as well
  • [13:58:56] <panto> however getting rid of the south/north bridges is a good design
  • [13:58:58] <mru> intel chips are getting ever more stuff built in
  • [13:59:05] <panto> mru, +1
  • [13:59:24] <CyL> KotH: Also routable pins is a notable feature of SoC's, but MCU's re starting to copy it as well
  • [13:59:36] <mru> I expect to see onchip sata soon
  • [13:59:40] <mru> if they don't already have it
  • [13:59:59] <mru> ethernet will likely follow
  • [14:00:02] <KotH> CyL: what counts as "programmable hardware" for you?
  • [14:00:15] <CyL> KotH: What about a few logic gates?
  • [14:00:16] <KotH> mru: some of the TI uP's already have onboard sata
  • [14:00:30] <mru> I meant intel chips
  • [14:00:42] <KotH> mru: some of the ex luminary chips already have onboard ethernet PHY
  • [14:00:49] <KotH> mru: ah.. ok
  • [14:00:52] <mru> onchip sata/eth in embedded systems is nothing new
  • [14:01:02] <CyL> Anyway, would you guys indicate any retailer that ships international?
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  • [14:01:32] <KotH> panto: who do i pester to suggest a small change on the page to make things a bit more clear?
  • [14:01:41] <panto> send an email
  • [14:02:00] <av500> CyL: digikey
  • [14:02:02] <av500> farnell
  • [14:02:05] <av500> some others
  • [14:02:11] <CyL> av500: Thanks
  • [14:02:32] <KotH> panto: ack
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  • [14:18:14] <panto> hi ka6sox
  • [14:18:37] <KotH> hoi ka6sox-here
  • [14:21:02] <ka6sox> mourning panto KotH
  • [14:21:17] <ka6sox> why am I UP?...its a holiday!
  • [14:21:33] <XorA_> ka6sox: its hard to drink beer while DOWN
  • [14:21:42] * XorA_ is now known as XorA
  • [14:21:58] <KotH> ka6sox: senile insomnia
  • [14:21:59] <mru> ka6sox: yes, why are you not SMP?
  • [14:23:19] <ka6sox> mru I"m more AMP
  • [14:23:41] <mru> if you're AMP, who's VOLT?
  • [14:24:41] <KotH> o/
  • [14:25:16] <ka6sox> mru, unless you mean Senile Mental Patient...
  • [14:27:58] <jmoyerman> Morning folks
  • [14:28:42] <mru> happy friday, jmoyerman
  • [14:29:05] <jmoyerman> Thanks. But it's still thursday on my side of the globe, don't rush my day off :D
  • [14:29:32] <mru> it's been friday in this channel for several days now
  • [14:29:49] <mru> in fact, friday is by far the most common day here
  • [14:30:11] <jmoyerman> What +/- gmt is the channel on?
  • [14:30:18] <mru> ugt
  • [14:30:26] <mru> or uft, universal friday time
  • [14:30:29] <panto> mars standard
  • [14:30:49] <jmoyerman> ooh.
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  • [14:32:34] * KotH wonders why people keep asking what timezone a channel is on, as if a channel could be on any timezone but uft
  • [14:33:05] * jmoyerman is an irc n00b
  • [14:34:05] <KotH> jmoyerman: channels are usually active 24/7
  • [14:34:33] <KotH> jmoyerman: even the irc channel where only a couple of friends form my uni hang out is active 24/7
  • [14:34:57] <KotH> the only thing that changes, is who is active
  • [14:35:21] <exception> does a channel exist if it's empty ?
  • [14:35:29] <exception> you have 2 hours
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  • [14:36:28] <KotH> what sound does a single troll clapping make?
  • [14:36:38] <ka6sox> only if channelguard lives there
  • [14:36:48] <ka6sox> (or is that the channel troll?)
  • [14:37:50] <KotH> there aint no troll in this channel!
  • [14:37:57] * KotH is in denial
  • [14:38:11] <ka6sox> isn't that a river in Egypt?
  • [14:38:34] <ka6sox> jmoyerman, did you email me that information?
  • [14:38:39] <ka6sox> (or did I miss it?)
  • [14:39:13] <jmoyerman> ka6sox: Not yet. I've been busy with a few other things.
  • [14:39:44] <jmoyerman> and the BBB that I did most of the work on is currently in the hands of FedEx until it arrives at my doorstep friday or monday
  • [14:40:12] <dm8tbr> ka6sox: by the rivers ov baaabylon... oh wait that's a bit further to the east.
  • [14:40:30] <ka6sox> ayup
  • [14:40:33] <KotH> dm8tbr: babylon is a space station, it doesnt have any rivers
  • [14:40:46] <mru> that babylon is way overrated
  • [14:41:01] <ka6sox> XorA, do they not have Beer IVs?
  • [14:42:31] <KotH> mru: it's one of the few tv series, which that country on the other side of the big pond produced, that has a consistent story over more than two episodes
  • [14:42:46] <mru> but it's a crap story
  • [14:42:55] <KotH> but at lest it _is_ a story
  • [14:42:59] <KotH> least*
  • [14:43:06] <mru> ok, _some_ of the story elements are interesting
  • [14:43:11] <mru> but the characters are utterly shit
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  • [14:44:02] <mru> the problem with many tv shows is that they get extended well beyond their natural life span
  • [14:44:16] <jmoyerman> d'oh posedge reset != negedge reset.
  • [14:44:44] <ka6sox> and then there are some who get cut off at the knees before starting (RIP Firefly)
  • [14:45:12] <mru> firefly was fun, but it honestly wasn't really that spectacular
  • [14:45:26] * KotH acks mru
  • [14:45:41] <mru> that said, I would've watched a couple more seasons of it
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  • [14:46:16] <av500> even galactica, great as it was, dragged it out in the end
  • [14:46:50] <mru> and as so many others, it devolved into spiritual mysticism
  • [14:47:13] <av500> deus ex machina
  • [14:47:18] <av500> always helps
  • [14:47:54] <KotH> av500: in the end? you mean after the first season
  • [14:48:06] <av500> hmm, after EOMA-68 and EOMA-26, I wonder if lkcl will come up with EOMA-4, that uses a USB connector only
  • [14:48:37] <mru> KotH: at first it was mostly a few wackos spouting religious crap
  • [14:48:45] <ka6sox> EOMA-1 because 1 Wire should rule them all.
  • [14:48:46] <jackmitchell> av500: not at it again is he?
  • [14:48:55] <av500> always
  • [14:49:00] <mru> always, so not again
  • [14:49:56] <KotH> av500: what's the point of the EOMA standards?
  • [14:50:11] <mru> ego stroking
  • [14:50:17] <ka6sox> make lkcl feel good?
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  • [14:51:17] <av500> KotH: the point of eoma-68 is "PCMCIA connectors are cheap"
  • [14:51:29] <av500> so, lets build a so called standard around them
  • [14:51:33] <KotH> lol
  • [14:51:39] <av500> its true
  • [14:51:49] <av500> I know this mindset
  • [14:51:52] <KotH> PCMCIA connectors have been cheap.. what? 5y? 10y? ago
  • [14:51:52] <mru> isn't pcmcia already a standard around them?
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  • [14:52:07] <av500> mru: well, there are twi
  • [14:52:09] <av500> mru: well, there are two
  • [14:52:13] <mru> is there also PCMNSA?
  • [14:52:14] <av500> pcmcia and STB smartcards
  • [14:52:20] <mru> CI
  • [14:52:25] <KotH> oh.. damn... stb smartcards...
  • [14:52:28] <av500> so there is room for a thurd
  • [14:52:33] <KotH> i totaly forgot about them
  • [14:52:39] <mru> no, not smartcards
  • [14:52:39] <av500> third's a turd
  • [14:52:40] <mru> CAMs
  • [14:52:44] <av500> yes
  • [14:52:49] <mru> most CAMs use a smartcard
  • [14:52:54] <av500> jaja
  • [14:52:58] <mru> but that's not really part of that spec
  • [14:52:58] <KotH> av500: freud'scher? :)
  • [14:52:59] <av500> I never did STB stuff
  • [14:53:04] * mru did
  • [14:53:14] <mru> emphasis on past tense
  • [14:53:15] <KotH> mru: our condolences
  • [14:53:22] <ka6sox> hell...lets bring back STD bus
  • [14:54:02] <av500> a bus full of STD?
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  • [14:54:14] <av500> didnt we have that in the 60s?
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  • [14:54:21] <ka6sox> yes
  • [14:54:25] <ka6sox> and early 70's
  • [14:54:49] <av500> ...and a flower in your hair...
  • [14:55:03] <KotH> av500: did you have fun, back then?
  • [14:55:12] <ka6sox> av500, only if you are going to go to SF
  • [14:55:37] <av500> KotH: early 70's hmmm
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  • [14:56:00] <av500> memory is kinda hazy
  • [14:56:14] <av500> I did wear flashy clothes
  • [14:56:33] <ka6sox> Bell Bottoms?
  • [14:56:53] <ka6sox> av500, is that a Purple Haze?
  • [14:57:09] <av500> I'll ask my mom for baby pics
  • [14:57:12] <av500> and check
  • [14:57:45] <mru> av500: no, not the 1860s
  • [14:58:18] <av500> 1760?
  • [14:58:43] <ka6sox> why did sailors wear bell bottoms....
  • [14:58:55] <av500> carpenters did
  • [14:58:57] <av500> still do
  • [14:59:04] <av500> keeps the wood chips out of the shoes
  • [15:00:00] <av500> http://www.acapelle.de/Bilder/Zunfthose.gif
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  • [15:01:07] <ka6sox> back when I was in High school...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Redhead_Beach_Bell_Bottoms.jpg
  • [15:01:12] <Rocky> I'm back
  • [15:01:19] <ka6sox> Where's Bullwinkle?
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  • [15:01:31] <Rocky> where is KotH
  • [15:01:41] <ka6sox> eating chocolate
  • [15:01:46] <jmoyerman> BLEH... Coffee's cold.
  • [15:02:01] <ka6sox> jmoyerman, thats why they invented microwave ovens
  • [15:02:02] <mru> you need a coffee-on-demand machine
  • [15:02:06] <KotH> Rocky: i'm here, eating chocolate
  • [15:02:07] <mru> ka6sox: eeeew
  • [15:02:08] <Rocky> hi, Koth, what book do you suggest for me to read
  • [15:02:13] <KotH> Rocky: what for?
  • [15:02:16] <jmoyerman> ka6sox: eww
  • [15:02:31] <av500> ka6sox: lovely pic of you
  • [15:02:37] <Rocky> you suggest that i should get a book of unix/linux to read?
  • [15:02:38] <KotH> mru: ka6sox lives in the us, he doesnt have anything taht even remotely resembles coffee
  • [15:02:43] <Rocky> is that true?
  • [15:02:46] <KotH> Rocky: uhg...
  • [15:02:48] <av500> yes
  • [15:03:00] <Rocky> ?
  • [15:03:13] <KotH> Rocky: the last book i read was the one from michael kofler, but that was half a century ago
  • [15:03:18] <jmoyerman> KotH: sadly I do too.
  • [15:03:20] <ka6sox> KotH, mru, KotH jmoyerman I get KOna
  • [15:03:30] <av500> kowat?
  • [15:03:37] <KotH> Rocky: i dont know what currently is on vogue as linux introduction
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  • [15:03:49] <dm8tbr> isn't there that embedded linux book by oreilly?
  • [15:03:52] <KotH> Rocky: i heard good things about "linux for dummies" but i have never had a look myself
  • [15:03:59] <av500> dm8tbr: yes
  • [15:04:07] <av500> that should be OK too
  • [15:04:12] * mru prefers to read fiction
  • [15:04:16] <KotH> dm8tbr: there is the "embedded linux primer" but that's beyond that what Rocky is aiming for
  • [15:04:16] <ka6sox> isn't there even a Beagle Specific one?
  • [15:04:21] <Rocky> is it a good book?
  • [15:04:27] <ka6sox> mru, you *like* reading TI TRMs?
  • [15:04:28] <tholm> Two PRU are cortex-m3 based MCUs?
  • [15:04:36] <av500> no
  • [15:04:36] <ka6sox> tholm, no
  • [15:04:41] <av500> they are PRU based
  • [15:04:41] <mru> or should I say intentional fiction?
  • [15:04:42] <jmoyerman> ka6sox: mmmmhmmmm kona
  • [15:04:42] <panto> no
  • [15:04:43] <KotH> Rocky: the "embedded linux primer"?
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  • [15:05:27] <Rocky> Yes, I have subscribe these books on safari
  • [15:05:36] <KotH> Rocky: that's imho nod a bad book, but it requires already quite some linux knowledge to understand it... and it's getting a bit long in the tooth
  • [15:05:40] <Rocky> i need some time to take a look those.
  • [15:06:06] <m_billybob> embedded linux primer is a good book
  • [15:06:08] <Rocky> I have several years experience on linux
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  • [15:06:52] <ka6sox> Rocky, did you get the BBB going?
  • [15:07:00] <Rocky> not bbb
  • [15:07:02] <Rocky> just bb
  • [15:07:18] * koen loses faith in humanity
  • [15:07:24] <mru> koen: you had some?
  • [15:07:30] <KotH> Rocky: "The Design of the UNIX Operating System" by bach is also recommended reading for anyone doing low level unix stuff
  • [15:07:31] <koen> the "ethernet kills hdmi" thread keeps going and going
  • [15:07:33] <Rocky> not, I don't have oscilloscope
  • [15:07:53] <KotH> Rocky: it explains quite clearly _why_ the interfaces and systems look like they do
  • [15:07:56] * koen gives in and responds directly explaining NTP and display blanking
  • [15:08:15] <Rocky> slow down, i need some time to take the name of these books
  • [15:08:18] <KotH> koen: what has ntp to do with display blanking
  • [15:08:18] <Rocky> 3 books?
  • [15:08:31] <KotH> Rocky: get bach's book last
  • [15:08:36] <XorA> koen: this the epic 25 year jump that happens on machines with no RTC?
  • [15:08:38] <KotH> Rocky: that's background
  • [15:08:53] <koen> XorA: 13.5 nowadays, 2000.01.01 is the default
  • [15:09:11] <koen> KotH: no RTC battery, so on boot the date will be january first 2000
  • [15:09:13] <XorA> koen: thats quite an idle period :-D
  • [15:09:14] <mru> KotH: it's common for idiots to use the wallclock time when they should be using something more primitive
  • [15:09:29] <mru> such as simply time since power on
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  • [15:09:36] <koen> KotH: when network comes up, NTP happens and kernel and/or X11 think you've been idle for 13.5 years
  • [15:09:40] <koen> -> console blank
  • [15:10:21] <ka6sox> and this is a mystery because....
  • [15:10:35] <KotH> Rocky: http://www.amazon.com/UNIX-Linux-System-Administration-Handbook/dp/0131480057
  • [15:10:45] <KotH> Rocky: that looks like a quite decent book
  • [15:10:55] <XorA> and this was an issue fixed back in the 90s in kernel/glibc because I remember the patch :-D
  • [15:10:57] <KotH> Rocky: at least from the TOC... it contains everything i would say you need to know
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  • [15:12:01] <Rocky> the chatting screen scrolls up too quick , I can not take the name of those books you recommend
  • [15:12:14] <Rocky> what is TOC?
  • [15:12:21] <KotH> table of contents
  • [15:12:35] <Rocky> I'm not the boy from english country
  • [15:12:38] <jmoyerman> your client should let you scroll back.....
  • [15:12:50] <m_billybob> Rocky thats why typically IRC clients have a scroll up feature ;)
  • [15:13:03] <ka6sox> Rocky, Table of Contents
  • [15:13:27] <ka6sox> day late, $ short
  • [15:13:40] <KotH> Rocky: i know that you are not an english native... though i must say that your english is very good compared to other chinese
  • [15:13:50] <Rocky> Koth? could you please summary the name of above books again?
  • [15:13:50] <m_billybob> ka6sox, moar coffee ;)
  • [15:14:08] <m_billybob> ka6sox, with enough coffee you'll soon be answering questions before they're asked ;)
  • [15:14:15] <Rocky> thanks for your praise
  • [15:14:20] <av500> Rocky: set your IRC client to "log" the channel
  • [15:15:11] <Rocky> how?
  • [15:15:14] <mru> XorA: that was before lennart was born, so it didn't happen
  • [15:15:20] <Rocky> i must leave current channel?
  • [15:15:26] <ka6sox> no
  • [15:15:32] <KotH> Rocky: "linux for dummies", "embedded linux primer", "the design of the unix operating system", "Unix and linux system administrators handbook"
  • [15:16:03] <Rocky> thanks my dear KotH brother.
  • [15:16:08] <KotH> Rocky: linux for dummies is an absolute beginners book
  • [15:16:12] <m_billybob> embedded linux systems .. .
  • [15:16:14] <ka6sox> KotH, he is using the web interface
  • [15:16:17] <mru> nothing beats 15-20 years experience using the system
  • [15:16:19] <ka6sox> no "logging" possible
  • [15:16:25] <KotH> Rocky: Unix and linux system administrators handbook contains everythng you need to know around linux
  • [15:16:43] <KotH> Rocky: embedded linux primer is a specialized book on how to run linux on embedded systems
  • [15:17:06] <KotH> Rocky: the design the unix operating system is a book that gives you the background knowledge for everything else (read this one last)
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  • [15:17:10] <Rocky> I'm a embedded engineering
  • [15:17:22] <KotH> ka6sox: i know that he is using the webinterface
  • [15:17:45] <Rocky> do this IRC have a desktop client?
  • [15:18:01] <KotH> yes
  • [15:18:03] <m_billybob> this ones useful for toolchain setup etc -> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596529680.do
  • [15:18:06] <Rocky> the webinterface can't change the channel, is that right?
  • [15:18:12] <KotH> Rocky: xchat and irssi are teh two most common ones
  • [15:18:30] <Rocky> I have this book on my hand
  • [15:18:39] <KotH> Rocky: "this"?
  • [15:18:40] <Rocky> m_billybob, thanks
  • [15:18:49] <Rocky> to m_billybob
  • [15:19:06] <KotH> m_billybob: is that book good?
  • [15:19:16] <m_billybob> cool, i nearly ordered that a few years ago myself
  • [15:19:18] <KotH> m_billybob: i remember having had a look at it, and it seemed kind of shallow
  • [15:19:32] <m_billybob> KotH ive read a partial pdf i think been a while so i dotn recall
  • [15:20:01] <m_billybob> I have LDD and ELP in deadtree format though they're both good
  • [15:20:13] <Rocky> where i can download this IRC client?
  • [15:20:24] <m_billybob> Rocky what OS are you using ?
  • [15:20:34] <av500> Rocky: google
  • [15:20:37] <Rocky> ubuntu & mac os
  • [15:20:49] <Rocky> in china, people can't use google
  • [15:20:52] <ka6sox> xchat for both
  • [15:21:00] <m_billybob> what av500 said but you can also apt-cache search IRC on ubuntu
  • [15:21:04] <av500> baidu
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  • [15:21:23] <Rocky> baidu is rubbish
  • [15:21:39] <m_billybob> also dpkg -l IRC to see what you have installed already
  • [15:21:48] <av500> http://www.baidu.com/s?wd=irc+client
  • [15:21:50] <m_billybob> xchat is probably the best UUI client for LInux
  • [15:21:57] <m_billybob> UI*
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  • [15:22:54] <Rocky> sorry for my mistake, I'm using mac currently
  • [15:23:12] <Rocky> I will try to install it using brew or fink
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  • [15:23:23] <Rocky> what is the name of IRC? xchat?
  • [15:23:34] <ka6sox> yes
  • [15:23:40] <m_billybob> xchat, vIRC, kIRC
  • [15:23:47] <dm8tbr> irssi :)
  • [15:23:52] <m_billybob> there are tons
  • [15:23:56] <ka6sox> abcdefg
  • [15:24:05] <ka6sox> (scratch that one)
  • [15:24:06] <dm8tbr> but only if the great firewall of cisco allows outbound connections to freenode irc
  • [15:24:40] <m_billybob> "the cisco"
  • [15:24:45] <jackmitchell> is it cisco that manages the great firewall of china?
  • [15:24:45] <jmoyerman> lol.
  • [15:24:45] <m_billybob> or emmisarry
  • [15:24:47] <exception> yeah, picture that: my employer blocks IRC and git ... how the hell am I supposed to "work"
  • [15:24:57] <jmoyerman> exception: do they block ssh?
  • [15:25:02] * m_billybob has been watching too much ds9 lately
  • [15:25:07] <Rocky> i'm a cisco employee
  • [15:25:11] <Rocky> :(
  • [15:25:18] <dm8tbr> we know
  • [15:25:32] <exception> jmoyerman: not really (can always trick) but it's against comapny rules to ssh out of the site
  • [15:25:59] <jmoyerman> exception: ooh... my school blocks IRC, so I just ssh to my box at home :D
  • [15:26:02] <dm8tbr> exception: I just pushed through freenode and customer IRC server access on our corporate firewall. "Business need" and "Essential for contractual delivery" helps a LOT
  • [15:26:20] <Rocky> have a joke
  • [15:26:27] <KotH> exception: if my employer would do that, i would say exactly that :)
  • [15:26:42] <Rocky> say what? KotH
  • [15:26:53] <KotH> howthe hell am I supposed to "work"
  • [15:26:57] <mru> good thing I quit before my ex-employer got bought by cisco
  • [15:26:58] <exception> well, IRC I can always use qweb or smth ... git is more of a problem .. they think SVN is king here
  • [15:27:09] <exception> it's a little sad
  • [15:27:16] <KotH> good thing i'm responsible for our firewall
  • [15:27:22] <m_billybob> heh
  • [15:27:37] <Rocky> git is more powerful that svn, in my personal option
  • [15:27:51] <jmoyerman> Much more powerful
  • [15:27:57] <KotH> exception: where are you?
  • [15:28:16] <dm8tbr> exception: only a problem for me if the git/gerrit/whatever runs on some funky port. same 'enforcement' as above applies.
  • [15:28:38] <exception> KotH: Sagem
  • [15:28:39] <jmoyerman> I used to work for a company that blocked git... had to pull down and recompile stuff all the time, hooray unlimited tethering on my cell phone.
  • [15:29:00] <XorA> thats why they implemented git smart http mode
  • [15:29:21] <m_billybob> isnt that why vpn's exist ? ;)
  • [15:29:34] <KotH> exception: oh.. they are into "defense"...
  • [15:29:42] <KotH> exception: not my fault that you sold your soul
  • [15:30:24] <KotH> jmoyerman: wrong approach
  • [15:30:35] <KotH> jmoyerman: i would have sat there, waiting for the admins to open up access
  • [15:30:42] <mru> +1
  • [15:30:54] <KotH> jmoyerman: and explaining every manager who would ask me why i wasnt working what the problem is
  • [15:31:20] <jmoyerman> KotH: it was my manager's cell phone the project tethered off of... lol.
  • [15:31:30] <KotH> jmoyerman: stupid manager
  • [15:31:37] <mru> too bad it was unlimited
  • [15:31:47] <Rocky> how about "xchat azure" on apple store
  • [15:31:55] <KotH> jmoyerman: he was probably violating some company rule :)
  • [15:31:56] <av500> exception: sagem where?
  • [15:32:11] <jmoyerman> KotH: Probably
  • [15:32:17] <KotH> anyways.. time to go home and enjoy my friday evening
  • [15:32:28] <exception> av500: near Paris, in the 92
  • [15:32:32] <av500> Rocky: baidu for "irc client mac"
  • [15:32:38] <av500> exception: massy?
  • [15:32:45] <exception> av500: rueil
  • [15:32:47] <av500> or close?
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  • [15:32:57] <exception> somehwat close
  • [15:33:38] <av500> ah
  • [15:34:04] <exception> it's not Sagem strictly speaking, SagemCom actually
  • [15:34:12] <exception> since Safran only bought what interested it
  • [15:34:14] <av500> exception: I meant the other
  • [15:34:20] <av500> the massy one
  • [15:34:27] <exception> worked there ?
  • [15:34:31] <av500> no
  • [15:34:32] <av500> passed by
  • [15:34:34] <av500> :)
  • [15:34:39] <av500> close to my novotel
  • [15:34:42] <exception> lol
  • [15:35:16] <Rocky> france company
  • [15:35:21] <exception> you're in france right now ?
  • [15:35:25] <av500> non
  • [15:35:30] <av500> on tuesday I will be
  • [15:35:36] <av500> monday night too
  • [15:35:41] <Rocky> who?
  • [15:35:52] <mru> who what?
  • [15:35:53] <av500> I work for a french company but not in france :)
  • [15:36:00] <av500> I think its the only sane way :)
  • [15:36:13] <mru> you could work for a non-french company
  • [15:36:19] <av500> yes
  • [15:36:20] <Rocky> which company, av500
  • [15:36:21] <exception> I'd rather work for a foreign company in france
  • [15:36:26] <av500> or that
  • [15:36:30] <av500> maybe next time
  • [15:36:35] <av500> Rocky: Archos
  • [15:36:40] <Rocky> maybe, sometimes later, I will be you colleagues
  • [15:36:41] <jmoyerman> exception: send me a baguette when you go :D
  • [15:36:49] <exception> jmoyerman: I live there
  • [15:37:11] <Rocky> does this company has one brach in china?
  • [15:37:36] * mru is going to BRU tomorrow, they speak french there...
  • [15:37:45] <ka6sox> av500, your Bosses are Coneheads?
  • [15:39:17] <exception> av500: the R&D is in Igny ?
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  • [15:43:27] <av500> exception: the company is
  • [15:44:46] <exception> so you'll be there next week ?
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  • [15:45:20] <Rocky> what is the server url of this chatting channel
  • [15:45:31] <Rocky> i open the xchat, but i do not how to use
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  • [15:45:38] <mru> Rocky: irc.freenode.net
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  • [15:46:29] <exception> Rocky: /help, /server, /join
  • [15:46:58] <ka6sox> koen, after ALL that it was a *hardware* problem???
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  • [15:49:19] <av500> ka6sox: but how did ethernet desolder his HDMI connector?
  • [15:49:22] <av500> excess heat?
  • [15:49:28] <av500> due to high bandwidth?
  • [15:49:37] <av500> all this NSA traffic?
  • [15:49:37] <ka6sox> neutrinos
  • [15:49:38] <m_billybob> heh
  • [15:49:50] <m_billybob> most likely it came from the factory like that
  • [15:50:00] <ka6sox> m_billybob, +1
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  • [15:50:43] <m_billybob> think its funny that people can put 5million postson the groups though and suddenly after irritating many people, figure out on their own what actually hapened
  • [15:50:54] <m_billybob> and yeah, its happened to me before too :/
  • [15:51:08] <ka6sox> av500, without the ethernet attached the HDMI made contact...when the ethernet was plugged in it torqued the board and made the HDMI fail.
  • [15:51:51] <av500> that is what they want you to believe
  • [15:52:26] <mru> which board?
  • [15:52:39] <m_billybob> maybe he was following the USB host mod/guide and decided to try and make his ethernet port a "HDMI host adapter" ?
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  • [15:53:06] <m_billybob> ^^ as logn as we're tossing out far fetched ideas ;)
  • [15:53:32] <panto> lol, PRU internal timers look like they're wonky
  • [15:53:54] <m_billybob> timing off panto ?
  • [15:54:13] <panto> no, something's off in the hardware
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  • [15:54:38] <panto> high update rates miss hitting the timer compares
  • [15:54:40] <m_billybob> wonder if that has anythign to do with why TI removed all PRU info from their docs
  • [15:55:08] <panto> no, it has to do with the amount of support required to get it to work
  • [15:55:37] <panto> anyway, rock solid waveforms with C in the few us range
  • [15:55:54] <m_billybob> what are you doing with it anyways ?
  • [15:56:02] <panto> making it go
  • [15:56:06] <m_billybob> ....
  • [15:56:16] <exception> mmh maybe I could replace my complicated home automation thingy with LX800+AVR32 with PRU ...
  • [15:56:36] <panto> well, I want to do multiple pwms
  • [15:56:41] <panto> koen, are you here?
  • [15:57:04] <jmoyerman> define multiple
  • [15:57:45] <panto> how many pins you've got?
  • [15:58:03] <m_billybob> panto personal project of mine, well pet project was to make a mppt charge controller. need high switch / ADC read rates figured someday when i get aroudn to it I'd try using the PRU for such a task
  • [15:58:46] <panto> the problem with the PRU is the learning curve and the standard s/w support is just... immense
  • [15:58:58] <jmoyerman> uhh ohh... up to 77% device usage on the BCC Cape
  • [15:59:04] <m_billybob> learnign curve of whcih aspect ?
  • [15:59:21] <panto> very constrained env, (8K code/8K data)
  • [15:59:25] <panto> assembly programming
  • [15:59:29] <m_billybob> no problem
  • [15:59:30] <panto> cludgy Linux interface
  • [15:59:36] <m_billybob> none of those are problems for me
  • [15:59:42] <panto> oh they are
  • [15:59:44] <m_billybob> well the last one there may be
  • [15:59:48] <panto> you just don't know it yet
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  • [16:00:05] <mru> panto: what, we don't like curves here?
  • [16:00:15] <panto> only on serif typefaces
  • [16:01:00] <m_billybob> panto i think understanding how and what i can do with the hardware would be more of a hurdle
  • [16:01:12] <m_billybob> but no hands on yet so . . .
  • [16:01:17] <mru> you'd be forgiven for thinking that
  • [16:01:19] <panto> yes, that's the start
  • [16:01:19] <mru> but this is TI
  • [16:01:28] <panto> but the s/w is the _big_ problem
  • [16:01:53] <panto> you don't know how hard it is to do trivial stuff
  • [16:01:58] <m_billybob> meaning interfacing Linux ?
  • [16:02:04] <panto> yes
  • [16:02:26] <m_billybob> I guess that would have to do with the share memory "thing"
  • [16:02:31] <m_billybob> i read somethign about that before
  • [16:02:36] <panto> my point is, that I'll prep something so that you guys can start working on your problem without dealing with that crap
  • [16:02:54] <exception> a youtube PRU tutorial ?
  • [16:02:55] <m_billybob> very cool of you :)
  • [16:03:00] <m_billybob> lol
  • [16:03:02] <panto> youtube?
  • [16:03:04] <panto> lol
  • [16:03:04] <m_billybob> that would be cool too
  • [16:03:19] <m_billybob> panto send all your docs to Derek and let him do it for you ;)
  • [16:03:34] <m_billybob> ( youtube video that is )
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  • [16:03:42] <Rocky> i have connected the server, what is the next step to connect this chatting room?
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  • [16:03:54] <exception> Rocky: /join #channel
  • [16:03:57] <m_billybob> Rocky /join #beagle
  • [16:04:14] <panto> http://pastebin.com/s3Y5b6Gw
  • [16:04:33] <exception> ah right, I always forget that pastebin is blocked here too -_-
  • [16:04:43] <panto> that's a standard tty connected to the PRU, controlling the hi and lo of a pwm generator (in us)
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  • [16:05:08] <Rocky> beagle?
  • [16:05:16] <m_billybob> #beagle
  • [16:05:19] <Rocky> only me in this channel
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  • [16:05:26] <exception> panto: care to paste on codepad or smth ?
  • [16:05:46] <panto> https://github.com/pantoniou/testpru
  • [16:05:57] <exception> Rocky: then you're on the wrong server (/server irc.freenode.net)
  • [16:06:06] <exception> panto: ty
  • [16:06:23] <Rocky> i cannot connect to this server, sad! :(
  • [16:06:42] <panto> and that's C code using the TI beta compiler
  • [16:06:50] <panto> I think jkrinder will release it shortly
  • [16:07:00] <panto> if you do stuff in assembly it's going to be even faster
  • [16:07:05] <m_billybob> panto so no more asm ?
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  • [16:07:23] <m_billybob> *confused*
  • [16:07:25] <panto> but, for many cases of applications stuff in the usec range are enough
  • [16:07:28] <jmoyerman> Real programmers use assembly :P
  • [16:07:34] <panto> m_billybob, only if you need it
  • [16:07:38] <mru> 8k ram and you think you can afford compiled code?
  • [16:07:47] <panto> oh you can
  • [16:07:51] <jmoyerman> 8k ram is a lot....
  • [16:07:55] <exception> jmoyerman: you can also flip bits directly in the chip using a probe
  • [16:07:55] <m_billybob> real programmer dotn give a sh*t what other people think about their programming language of choice.
  • [16:08:03] <panto> you just have to be careful :)
  • [16:08:06] <jmoyerman> m_billybob: exactly haha
  • [16:08:21] <m_billybob> :P
  • [16:08:40] <m_billybob> jmoyerman as i say this . . . im playing with php :/
  • [16:08:52] <m_billybob> so yeah . . . shoot me later ill probaby need it
  • [16:08:55] <jmoyerman> http://i.imgur.com/NwNPU.png
  • [16:08:55] <tcort> I'm trying to setup JTAG on the BeagleBone (White) from Linux with openocd. It's asking for "ft2232_device_desc" or "ft2232_serial" in the config file. What should I put? Terminal output: http://pastebin.ca/2417206
  • [16:09:09] <exception> panto: "for (;;) {" <= I assume you're over 40 ? :)
  • [16:09:15] * panto kicks exception
  • [16:09:22] <mru> exception: huh?
  • [16:09:26] <m_billybob> heh
  • [16:09:45] <m_billybob> exception, probaby has to do with optimization / code size than age
  • [16:09:46] <mru> did younger people not learn to write infinite loops?
  • [16:10:12] <exception> din't see this often, usually while(1)
  • [16:10:20] * mru pities the youngsters
  • [16:10:26] <exception> so I assume old code when I see for(;;)
  • [16:10:26] <mru> while(1) is so crude
  • [16:10:27] <panto> mru, +1
  • [16:10:46] <m_billybob> compare for() while() and do{}while sometime. you might be surprised
  • [16:10:49] * jmoyerman prefers for(;;) to while(1)
  • [16:10:59] <mru> jmoyerman: it's the one true way
  • [16:10:59] <panto> mru, and some old compilers might actually trick you and do something stupid
  • [16:11:01] <exception> m_billybob: how is for(;;) more optimized than while(1) ?
  • [16:11:04] <panto> with the code generation
  • [16:11:31] <m_billybob> exception dissasemble your code sometimes, and see for yourself
  • [16:11:33] <panto> you rely on the compiler detecting that there's no condition to check
  • [16:11:44] <exception> ain't nobody got time for that
  • [16:11:51] <panto> exception, your loss
  • [16:11:51] <jmoyerman> actually... I prefer while(2), but it confuses most people :D
  • [16:11:54] <m_billybob> no body except those who care
  • [16:12:00] <exception> alright i'll give it a try, seems fun
  • [16:12:07] <exception> jmoyerman: :D
  • [16:12:17] <mru> jmoyerman: while (!!1)
  • [16:12:26] <m_billybob> not not 1 eh
  • [16:12:29] <mru> that's sure to cause some confusion
  • [16:12:45] <m_billybob> while( 1==1) ?
  • [16:12:51] <panto> bool ret = !!val; ?
  • [16:12:54] <jmoyerman> while(!~1)
  • [16:12:55] <mru> #define eleven 11
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  • [16:13:02] <mru> while (!!eleven)
  • [16:13:15] <mru> or better still...
  • [16:13:15] <m_billybob> lol
  • [16:13:30] <mru> #define eleven !!
  • [16:13:36] <jmoyerman> #define ZERO 1 while(ZERO)
  • [16:13:37] <mru> #define ty
  • [16:13:47] <m_billybob> that soudns like a desaster waiting to happen mru
  • [16:14:00] <mru> #define one 1
  • [16:14:07] <exception> http://codecrap.com/content/6/
  • [16:14:08] <panto> #define begin {
  • [16:14:09] <mru> while (eleven-ty-one)
  • [16:14:10] <panto> #define end }
  • [16:14:37] <exception> #define static private
  • [16:14:52] <m_billybob> illegal
  • [16:14:57] <jmoyerman> can't redefine keywords
  • [16:15:02] <mru> sure you can
  • [16:15:12] <mru> they're not keywords during preprocessing
  • [16:15:17] <jmoyerman> hmm... true
  • [16:15:19] <panto> yep
  • [16:15:22] <mru> but private isn't a keyword
  • [16:15:24] <mru> so that won't compile
  • [16:15:33] <jmoyerman> he's referring to c++ I think...
  • [16:15:38] <mru> that's not a real thing
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  • [16:16:38] <jmoyerman> #define while(x) for(;;)
  • [16:17:00] <exception> x=0
  • [16:17:27] <m_billybob> x = oxdeadbeef
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  • [16:18:43] <jmoyerman> x=0xBAADF00D
  • [16:19:29] <jmoyerman> Microsoft's C++ compiler does that to memory...
  • [16:20:24] <exception> 0x81680085
  • [16:20:46] <m_billybob> no idea i try to avoid using microsoft's compilers.
  • [16:21:07] <jmoyerman> Me too... Last job had a Windows Based app though
  • [16:21:14] <m_billybob> I love VS though
  • [16:21:17] <mru> eeeew
  • [16:21:36] <jmoyerman> VS is nice, when they finally got the UI looking nice (2010 i think)
  • [16:21:43] <mru> no it's not
  • [16:21:53] <mru> it's a stinkin' ide
  • [16:21:57] <jmoyerman> although. I prefer emacs and a terminal lol.
  • [16:21:58] <m_billybob> matter of opinion mru
  • [16:22:05] <m_billybob> and also a personal preference
  • [16:22:11] <mru> people who use IDEs haven't understood unix
  • [16:22:13] <jmoyerman> hence "I prefer"
  • [16:22:36] <jmoyerman> It's whatever is best, most comfortable, and easiest for a particular dev/team of devs
  • [16:22:39] <jmoyerman> and it depends on the project too.
  • [16:22:41] <m_billybob> mru, people who complain about what others prefer is what then ?
  • [16:22:50] <m_billybob> pendantic ?
  • [16:22:58] <m_billybob> ( nope )
  • [16:23:02] <jmoyerman> No... that's a wonderful flag for GCC
  • [16:23:17] <m_billybob> gcc can be used in VS though . . .
  • [16:23:23] <m_billybob> just not directly
  • [16:23:36] <mru> m_billybob: what do you think of people who prefer bud light?
  • [16:23:39] <m_billybob> well without using / creating plugins
  • [16:23:51] <mru> I think it's safe to say they haven't understood beer
  • [16:23:58] <m_billybob> mru i think peopel have the right to like what they want so logn as its not forced on me
  • [16:24:21] <m_billybob> i bet you're into vi ?
  • [16:24:23] <m_billybob> vim ?
  • [16:24:27] <m_billybob> emacs ?
  • [16:24:28] <mru> I mostly use emacs
  • [16:24:40] <m_billybob> see i couldnt stomache any of those well maybe vim
  • [16:25:08] <m_billybob> i dont tolerate vi though period cant stand it
  • [16:25:28] <mru> original vi is a bit limited for any serious editing
  • [16:25:37] <mru> but it's a huge step up from ed
  • [16:26:03] <mru> which I only use when there's really no other choice
  • [16:26:07] <jmoyerman> It depends what I'm working on.... I prefer emacs + cedet + ecb for anything C related, Eclipse for anything Java...
  • [16:26:08] <mru> (yes, that has happened)
  • [16:26:12] <m_billybob> well just saying everyone likes different things
  • [16:26:27] <mru> and some people like the wrong things
  • [16:26:38] <m_billybob> again, thats subjective
  • [16:26:47] <mru> emacs or vim is subjective
  • [16:27:02] <jmoyerman> m_billybob: methinks he's trolling just a tad bit
  • [16:27:09] <m_billybob> i know he is
  • [16:27:11] <m_billybob> lol
  • [16:27:13] <mru> refusing to understand unix is lazy
  • [16:27:20] <m_billybob> he'll carry one as long as i do ;)
  • [16:27:27] <m_billybob> carry on*
  • [16:27:32] <jmoyerman> mru: refusing to use linux/unix properly is lazy
  • [16:27:51] <mru> yes, and slapping a stupid IDE over it is not proper
  • [16:27:53] <m_billybob> mru what does an OS have to do with a prefered text editor ?
  • [16:28:30] <mru> unix is already a fully-featured development environment
  • [16:28:35] <m_billybob> and in the context of gcc VS is just an overglorified text editor with perhaps a few useful featuers
  • [16:28:39] <mru> there is no need to reinvent it all poorly inside a closed box
  • [16:29:04] <jmoyerman> mru: that is if you're on a system that has a compiler...
  • [16:29:17] <mru> how would you do development without a compiler?
  • [16:29:35] <jmoyerman> My beagles don't have compilers on them...
  • [16:29:41] <mru> nor do mine
  • [16:29:42] <exception> as far as while(1) and for(;;) go, I got same assembly for both
  • [16:29:43] <m_billybob> ....
  • [16:29:46] <mru> but my workstation does
  • [16:29:50] <exception> plus C norm says they're the same
  • [16:30:00] <m_billybob> exception, you have to actuall *so* somethign with them
  • [16:30:10] <m_billybob> exception and count cycles
  • [16:30:17] <m_billybob> actually do*
  • [16:30:23] <mru> a modern compiler will generate the same code
  • [16:30:35] <jmoyerman> s/so/do
  • [16:30:40] <exception> -O0, operate on global variable in loop
  • [16:30:50] <mru> why would you use -O0?
  • [16:31:01] <mru> that's just shorthand for --be-stupid
  • [16:31:02] <exception> dunno, just to make sure it's the default :)
  • [16:31:18] <exception> hey, I like to write rebase --interactive too
  • [16:31:21] <mru> there is very rarely any reason to use less than -O2
  • [16:31:33] <panto> afk
  • [16:31:41] <jmoyerman> mru: yes there is, to tell your boss you need a more powerful system :D
  • [16:31:42] <exception> I can do O2 but I bet same result for this
  • [16:32:14] <mru> that said, even -O0 will probably give the same code
  • [16:34:26] <jmoyerman> Ugh... Verilog warnings are annoying
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  • [16:36:14] <AndChat|513876> haha
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  • [16:37:48] <m_billybob> exception, anyhow i was yanking your chain, but i was also serious. No idea why panto uses for(;;) though
  • [16:38:08] <mru> it's the proper syntax
  • [16:38:09] <av500> arf
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  • [16:38:32] <av500> one of the scope probes does not signal to the scope its 1:10
  • [16:38:36] <m_billybob> lots of things are the proper syntax
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  • [16:38:42] <av500> no wonder I measure bs
  • [16:38:43] <exception> m_billybob: so it *might* have an influence on very old compilers ?
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  • [16:39:26] <m_billybob> exception it could be compiler specific. mspgcc for instance using do{} in place of while or for() can make a code size / performance difference
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  • [16:39:30] <mru> exception: yes, the same anecdotal compilers that prefer ++i over i++
  • [16:39:40] <AndChat|513876> joo
  • [16:40:17] <mru> AndChat|513876: say something of substance or bugger off
  • [16:43:16] <panto> mru, not anecdotal
  • [16:43:29] <mru> panto: can you name one?
  • [16:43:36] <panto> on the ppc for instance you get pre decrement and post increment
  • [16:43:37] <mru> I have still not met anyone who could
  • [16:43:48] <mru> yes, I know many CPUs have these addressing modes
  • [16:44:01] <panto> so it made a difference how you went through your arrays
  • [16:44:04] <m_billybob> if(( ++i % 32) ==o) . . .
  • [16:44:07] <mru> but decent compilers transfor the code so it doesn't matter
  • [16:44:10] <m_billybob> o == 0
  • [16:44:14] <exception> I'll be darned, k&r states for(;;)
  • [16:44:15] <panto> running forwards you used *++p
  • [16:44:18] <mru> +m
  • [16:44:25] <panto> mru, it was gcc
  • [16:44:39] <panto> the compiler is not always smart enough
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  • [16:45:16] <mru> gcc, for example, will change for() { *p++; } to p--; for () { *++p; }
  • [16:45:22] <mru> if that's beneficial on the target
  • [16:45:27] <panto> it shaved one insn from the inside loop of a codec
  • [16:45:34] <panto> mru, not the version I was using 10 years ago
  • [16:45:59] <panto> and you know that the compiler like to play it safe
  • [16:46:17] <mru> gcc back then sucked in many worse ways too
  • [16:46:26] <panto> so anything might lead to the optimization being turned off
  • [16:46:57] <panto> mru, my point is that you can always rework the source slightly to get on the compiler's good side
  • [16:47:10] <panto> if you care about performance
  • [16:47:11] <mru> there are very few architectures where that transformation isn't always safe
  • [16:47:23] <panto> before start doing stuff in assembly
  • [16:47:27] <mru> oh, sure
  • [16:47:29] <panto> *you
  • [16:47:52] <panto> so, yeah, I know that writing that function in assembly might make it 30% faster
  • [16:47:54] <mru> I even gave a presentation on that topic at the last elc
  • [16:48:01] <panto> I know :P
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  • [16:48:36] <mru> but the tricks needed to keep the compiler happy today are very different from what they used to be
  • [16:48:45] <panto> sure
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  • [16:50:11] <m_billybob> I've noticed some wierd differences in mspgcc which is based on 4.6.3 gcc I beleive
  • [16:50:58] <m_billybob> simple things such as compiling a project with G++ versus gcc can produce slightly smaller code, even when using inline with gcc
  • [16:51:13] <mru> the default optimisations might differ
  • [16:51:14] <panto> err, on the ppc it's actually pre increment, and post decrement on loads
  • [16:51:15] <m_billybob> at that scale anythign smaller is usually better
  • [16:51:25] <panto> afk
  • [16:52:33] <m_billybob> mru yeah i dont exactly know gcc as well as some of you so could be i missed a possible optimization step with gcc
  • [16:53:04] <m_billybob> I just got the the poitn where i said fook it and just started compilign with g++ instead
  • [16:53:05] <mru> the optimisers and backends are the same for all languages
  • [16:53:16] <mru> but the frontends can enable different passes
  • [16:53:35] <m_billybob> ill have ot show you an example sometime when i start writting more code for an msp430
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  • [16:53:46] <mru> I wouldn't be surprised if the c++ frontend by default enables some passes that are mostly a waste with typical c code but often useful for c++
  • [16:54:09] <mru> since c++ _really_ sucks without a lot of inlining etc
  • [16:54:19] <m_billybob> I *know* that between C++ and C the code should compile down to the same thing, but sometimes its more hassle in one language or another
  • [16:54:48] <mru> there are various flags you can pass to find out exactly what the compiler is doing
  • [16:54:54] <mru> if you really want to know
  • [16:55:18] <m_billybob> yeah lots to learn, ill bnever have to worry about not ever having somethign ot keepme busy
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  • [16:58:08] <m_billybob> could be everythign i learned previously with gcc doesnt apply in the case of the toolchain(s) used for / on the bbb
  • [16:58:37] <mastiff> --enable-neon
  • [16:58:47] <m_billybob> no need.
  • [16:59:16] <m_billybob> neon is audio / video instruction set isnt it ?
  • [16:59:25] <mru> it's a generic simd instruction set
  • [16:59:39] <m_billybob> suppose ill have to read up on it sometime
  • [16:59:49] <mastiff> that's just one of the options i know about to specify at compile time, there might be others more applicable to your project
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  • [17:00:15] <m_billybob> i *think* but am not sure the current toolchain i use sets all that up by default
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  • [17:00:22] <m_billybob> Linaro gcc
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  • [17:00:28] <m_billybob> for armhf
  • [17:00:30] <rocky1> I'm back
  • [17:00:45] <Rocky> test
  • [17:00:53] <jmoyerman> test works.
  • [17:00:55] <m_billybob> it works rocky
  • [17:01:05] <m_billybob> Rocky you may want to consider leaving with one client
  • [17:01:15] <mastiff> this page has info on some compile options http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2010_Projects/FFTW
  • [17:01:18] <m_billybob> least you get "auto detected" as a "bot"
  • [17:01:32] <rocky1> ?
  • [17:01:50] <m_billybob> Rocky multiple instances of IRC clients on this network can flag you as a bot
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  • [17:01:58] <m_billybob> in which case you may get a kline or glined
  • [17:02:43] <m_billybob> gline == global network ban, kline == you get kicked fro mthe server
  • [17:02:44] <rocky1> OK
  • [17:03:01] <rocky1> thanks
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  • [17:04:00] <m_billybob> Rocky please dont private message me lol i have too many IRC widnows open already . . .
  • [17:04:10] <m_billybob> windows too
  • [17:04:39] <m_billybob> mastiff, ok ill check into it but quite possibly ill have to check a difference source of info
  • [17:04:45] <m_billybob> different*
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  • [17:05:14] <rocky1> i JUST have a simple test on this IRC client, take it easy, my dear friend
  • [17:05:30] <m_billybob> i am not 100% sure what info applies accross different toolchain tools but id rather make sure by checkig nthe documentation for my specific compiler
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  • [17:06:12] <m_billybob> e.g. i need to learn exactly what Linaro *is*
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  • [17:07:50] <m_billybob> right now, which my own wordpress theme from scratch ( using php ) isnt lending towards that end goal lol
  • [17:08:05] <m_billybob> writting my own wordpress theme from scratch*
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  • [17:09:40] <Rocky1> back again
  • [17:09:44] <jmoyerman> m_billybob: can't find one that suits you?
  • [17:10:10] <mru> m_billybob: are you some kind of masochist?
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  • [17:10:26] <mru> not judging, just asking
  • [17:10:28] <Rocky1> how can i answer some questions to specific people on this group?
  • [17:10:49] <jmoyerman> Rocky1: typical method is to type their name followed by a : like I just did
  • [17:11:01] <jmoyerman> then their IRC client will either ding or highlight the message stating that their name was used in it
  • [17:11:04] <mru> and tab completion is your friend
  • [17:11:23] <jmoyerman> Mine's in a shell, so double tap/middle click is my friend.
  • [17:11:58] <jmoyerman> gotta go, lunch time.
  • [17:12:05] <Rocky1> the client doesn't this feature? it is quite inconvenient for ourself to add the people's name
  • [17:12:24] <Rocky1> jmoyerman: this is a test
  • [17:12:51] <Rocky1> jmoyerman: midnight in china
  • [17:12:56] <Rocky1> need some rest
  • [17:12:58] <Rocky1> good night
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  • [17:17:00] <Rocky> m_billybob: heo
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  • [17:22:05] <peiqzhen> hello
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  • [17:23:08] <peiqzhen> make
  • [17:23:10] <peiqzhen> q
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  • [17:23:21] <peiqzhen> help
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  • [17:24:51] <Rocky> hello
  • [17:25:01] <peiqzhen> Rocky: hi
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  • [17:29:56] <m_billybob> jmoyerman, not really. mru no, but this is the only way i get exactly what I want. now when i saw from scratch. im using a suitable "blank" theme
  • [17:30:14] <m_billybob> when i say from scratch*
  • [17:30:22] * m_billybob is eating his brunch
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  • [17:34:49] <m_billybob> whew double spicy potato augraten
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  • [17:35:10] <wmat> happy 4th, my American neighbours
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  • [17:35:28] <m_billybob> happy 4th
  • [17:35:40] <pb__> Same to ya
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  • [17:36:32] <m_billybob> quite honestly, im less than enthusiastic about this day
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  • [17:36:45] <pb__> Whys that?
  • [17:36:57] <pb__> jelous of egypt?
  • [17:37:07] <m_billybob> how old are you ? dont answer, but lets just say this country is much different than when i was a kid
  • [17:37:07] <pb__> I know I am.
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  • [17:37:39] <pb__> Well I'm not as old as you, but I've noticed it also.
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  • [17:38:14] <Crofton|work> Get off my lawn!
  • [17:38:24] <m_billybob> yeah, anyhow lets not get into this again
  • [17:38:29] <pb__> I don't have a lawn, damn water restrictions killed it off.
  • [17:38:32] <m_billybob> my bad for bringing it up
  • [17:38:44] <pb__> Don't worry, we are on the same page.
  • [17:38:51] <pb__> So I get what you mean.
  • [17:39:45] <m_billybob> all i can say, is that I pulled a jalapeno out of our freezer that came out of our garden last year, and man my mouth is on fire lol
  • [17:40:03] <m_billybob> i love it though
  • [17:40:19] <pb__> I have some I picked last year that I'm going to break open later
  • [17:40:33] <pb__> sadly not from the garden though. But at least from a farmers market.
  • [17:40:43] <m_billybob> we have a huge 4-5 acres garden / orchard area on our property here
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  • [17:41:05] <pb__> Nice, how big is the lot?
  • [17:41:11] <m_billybob> sadly we yet to get any fruit dahme birds seem to get it all before it's ripe
  • [17:41:23] <m_billybob> 40 acres
  • [17:41:31] <m_billybob> fully fenced off
  • [17:41:35] <pb__> Good sized chunk o' property
  • [17:41:47] <pb__> Were hoping to get into 10-15 in the next couple years
  • [17:41:55] <kfoltman> Hungry Birds
  • [17:42:08] <m_billybob> yeah it not bad, but not great either property around here is rathe rdryish, so we have to work it for a few years yet
  • [17:42:41] <pb__> Sounds like most of AZ
  • [17:42:51] <m_billybob> not exactly desert here, but somethign like high plains
  • [17:42:59] <m_billybob> sandy high plains
  • [17:43:23] <pb__> Were down right in the middle of hill country
  • [17:43:27] <pb__> south of austin a bit
  • [17:43:34] <pb__> property is getting way to high here though
  • [17:43:45] <m_billybob> I used to live in mesquite for a while
  • [17:44:04] <m_billybob> drove a big truck for stevens transport back in the 90's
  • [17:44:34] <m_billybob> good pay and great learign experience. wouldnt do it again though
  • [17:44:36] <pb__> Haven't been up there
  • [17:44:41] <pb__> I avoid DFW like the plauge
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  • [17:44:49] <m_billybob> lol
  • [17:44:59] <m_billybob> cant say i blame you
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  • [17:45:25] <Guest28450> hello?
  • [17:45:27] <m_billybob> seemed every other night on the news some idiot shootign an AK out the back of a station wagon being chased by 500 police . . .
  • [17:46:22] <pb__> Sounds a lot like houston
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  • [17:47:02] <m_billybob> I liked it a lot there though. not because of stuff like that, but because of the closeness of computer related businesses which back then was still a "nerd" thing
  • [17:47:13] <kfoltman> m_billybob: the Boston bomber chase was something between ridiculous and scary
  • [17:47:26] <m_billybob> never heard of it
  • [17:47:40] <m_billybob> but im not exactly form bahston either ;)
  • [17:47:49] <kfoltman> m_billybob: I mean, the hunt for the marathon bombers a few months ago
  • [17:48:02] <kfoltman> like, massive overreaction by any european standards
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  • [17:48:33] <m_billybob> kfoltman, oh well lol im not big on current events. I dotn read a paper, dont watch tv ever, and try to avoid news sites ( rigth wing or left wing )
  • [17:48:36] <jmoyerman> That's what happens in america... we shut down a city and find you.
  • [17:49:11] <kfoltman> m_billybob: that's a very good strategy in general
  • [17:49:19] <kfoltman> for an individual at least
  • [17:50:06] <m_billybob> reading all the crap that hapens now days isnt going ot do me any good
  • [17:50:25] <m_billybob> matter of fact it'll just piss me off
  • [17:51:16] <pb__> kfoltman, it was a overreation by american standards also
  • [17:51:25] <pb__> they had to test out all that new DHS equipment somehow though
  • [17:51:32] <m_billybob> stories like kids being ejected from school because they're talkign about, or drawing pictures of guns . . . government school food monitors . . .yeah all that just gets me worked up
  • [17:51:33] <kfoltman> jmoyerman: two bros with maybe half a brain between them paralyzed the whole city, and they couldn't get them alive (or at least alive enough to answer some questions)
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  • [17:51:56] <jmoyerman> kfoltman: oh. I know.
  • [17:52:44] <kfoltman> at least the good news is that the average 'active' jihadist types (not JIHAD KotH) are apparently getting dumber :)
  • [17:53:11] <m_billybob> been my understanding that most cant even write or read
  • [17:53:17] <pb__> interesting...gparted doesn't feel like installing...
  • [17:53:20] <m_billybob> the pawns anyhow
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  • [17:59:43] <akk> Hi, all -- I have a new beaglebone black that I'm trying to reflash. Should I worry that it's been over an hour and the LEDs haven't gone steady yet?
  • [18:00:10] <m_billybob> any activity ?
  • [18:00:23] <akk> Yes, lights are still flashing.
  • [18:00:33] <m_billybob> typicaly i think 40 minutes is about as long as it takes
  • [18:00:43] <m_billybob> as in disk write activity lights ?
  • [18:00:47] <akk> I've seen estimates ranging from 30 minutes to an hour.
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  • [18:01:06] <akk> Oh, wait, NM, it just went steady at 1:07
  • [18:01:15] <akk> I guess that means I have the record for slowness now. :)
  • [18:03:56] <m_billybob> guess yo uanswered your own question ;0
  • [18:05:16] <akk> Except I don't think it worked. :( After flashing, if I pull out the SD card and plug the BBB black back in, none of the four lights turns on.
  • [18:05:38] <m_billybob> press an hold down S2
  • [18:05:44] <m_billybob> for a second
  • [18:05:49] <m_billybob> the nrelease
  • [18:05:55] <m_billybob> then release*
  • [18:06:14] <m_billybob> you tool the sd card out yes ?
  • [18:06:15] <akk> Which one is s2? (Looking for a diagram)
  • [18:06:18] <m_billybob> took*
  • [18:06:39] <m_billybob> holding the ethernet port down, its the one furthest to the left fro mthe ethernet port
  • [18:07:34] <akk> Holding that down for a second or two doesn't do anything.
  • [18:07:38] <akk> and yes, the SD card is out.
  • [18:07:44] <m_billybob> you took the sd card out ?
  • [18:07:51] <akk> If I try booting with the SD card still in, then I get lights flashing.
  • [18:08:02] <m_billybob> ok remove the power form it and leave it unplugged for a few seconds
  • [18:08:02] <akk> Without the card, nothing but the power light.
  • [18:08:31] <m_billybob> this happenes to me too once in a while although i use a different distro
  • [18:08:43] <m_billybob> ( Debian )
  • [18:08:56] <m_billybob> im not sur ewhat exactly causes it but there you have it
  • [18:09:38] <m_billybob> do yo uhave a serial debug cable ?
  • [18:09:43] <akk> Nope -- left it unplugged for a minute and still the 4 lights don't come on when I plug it in.
  • [18:10:03] <m_billybob> let it sit
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  • [18:10:21] <m_billybob> all 4 leds should not come on while its booting
  • [18:10:24] <akk> I have a serial cable I used with a raspberry pi -- this thing, https://www.adafruit.com/products/954
  • [18:10:32] <akk> which I think is supposed to work with the BBB too.
  • [18:10:42] <m_billybob> 5v or 3.3v ttl ?
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  • [18:10:59] <akk> It'll be 3.3 since it works with the Pi, I think -- checking to make sure.
  • [18:11:14] <m_billybob> says 5v
  • [18:11:15] <pb__> Hrmm. Work on getting BBB to work, or go float on the river and drink heavily....decisions decisions.
  • [18:11:19] <akk> "The power pin provides the 5V @ 500mA direct from the USB port and the RX/TX pins are 3.3V level for interfacing with the most common 3.3V logic level chipsets."
  • [18:11:36] <akk> I don't normally use the power pin on the pi since it's powered from USB, presume the same would be true of the BBB.
  • [18:11:40] <m_billybob> ok so yeah as long as you're sure its 3.3v ttl
  • [18:11:50] <m_billybob> do not hook up the power lol
  • [18:12:04] <m_billybob> ok so again
  • [18:12:09] <m_billybob> ethernet port down
  • [18:12:19] * m_billybob looks
  • [18:12:59] <m_billybob> the 6 pin header on the right just next to the right side pinout header. . .
  • [18:13:08] <m_billybob> pin 1 is furthest down
  • [18:13:12] <m_billybob> that should be ground
  • [18:13:31] <m_billybob> 4 and 5 are teh tx and rx not sure off hand whcih is whcih but . . .
  • [18:14:30] <m_billybob> picture i made for this purpose
  • [18:14:32] <m_billybob> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3oca40vrH-g/Ubd5TjD-0_I/AAAAAAAAALU/-GibZBaTvKk/s1024/beaglebone-black-serial.jpg
  • [18:14:36] <akk> I suppose it shouldn't hurt it if they're plugged in backward?
  • [18:14:49] <akk> oh, awesome, thanks
  • [18:14:53] <m_billybob> ground could be a problem but rx/tx no it just wouldnt work
  • [18:15:42] <m_billybob> if i were you id double check to make sure ttl is 3.3v
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  • [18:15:55] <m_billybob> better than burning out the serial debug
  • [18:16:12] <m_billybob> ( ttyo0 )
  • [18:16:57] <m_billybob> pb__ ta;lk in here i have tons of chat windows opened already
  • [18:16:59] <akk> I'm at least sure that it claims to be ...
  • [18:17:12] <akk> okay, trying it ...
  • [18:17:29] <m_billybob> plus im writting my own wordpress theme from scratch . ..
  • [18:17:37] <pb__> dont even mention that
  • [18:17:38] <m_billybob> ( kinda )
  • [18:17:40] <akk> Oh, wait, what speed will the serial be?
  • [18:17:42] <pb__> thats my project for this weekend.
  • [18:17:49] <m_billybob> 115200 bps
  • [18:17:58] <m_billybob> no hardware
  • [18:18:02] <m_billybob> flow
  • [18:18:09] <m_billybob> 8n1
  • [18:18:17] <mru> I took a reasonably customisable theme and added a pile of css
  • [18:18:19] <mru> good enough for me
  • [18:18:39] <m_billybob> mru i did the same initially its what my site runs right now
  • [18:19:14] <m_billybob> turns out though despite my complete lack of php knowlege, that writtign a theme from scratch using a blank theme is much easier
  • [18:19:14] <akk> Hmm, all I get on serial out is CCCCCC :(
  • [18:19:23] <m_billybob> eh ?
  • [18:19:34] <jmoyerman> It wants to make sure you are seeing it :P
  • [18:19:36] <mru> akk: that means it's connected properly
  • [18:19:38] <m_billybob> did you reset it ?
  • [18:19:49] <mru> but it's not finding anything it considers bootable
  • [18:20:01] <akk> Okay, so the flashing didn't work.
  • [18:20:09] <m_billybob> akk not neccessarily
  • [18:20:33] <m_billybob> one thing you could do is see what the uEnv.txt file look like
  • [18:20:40] <akk> Maybe I should try booting with the SD card in and see if it says over serial.
  • [18:20:52] <m_billybob> maybe
  • [18:21:06] <akk> Where would I get uEnv.txt? Mounting the image I wrote to the SD card?
  • [18:21:15] <m_billybob> is that a flasher image ?
  • [18:21:35] <m_billybob> -> /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt
  • [18:21:40] <m_billybob> assuming its booted
  • [18:21:46] <m_billybob> or just /boot
  • [18:21:47] <akk> If I boot with the card in, I'm getting normal looking Linux boot messages.
  • [18:22:11] <akk> I downloaded BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img.xz
  • [18:22:12] <m_billybob> how are you powering the board ?
  • [18:22:25] <akk> Powering it over a mini USB cable, no other power.
  • [18:22:36] <m_billybob> what is powering it ?
  • [18:22:53] <m_billybob> USB 2.0 port on a computer or somethign else ?
  • [18:23:39] <akk> Oh, hmm, none of the getting-started pages I've found actually mention a login and password for Angstrom.
  • [18:23:55] <m_billybob> here is the deal the bbb can draw up to 460mA under a full load, which is rather clase to the maximum providable via USB 2.0 . . .
  • [18:24:03] <akk> The cable is plugged into a USB powered hub plugged in to a linux machine.
  • [18:24:08] <m_billybob> rather close*
  • [18:24:28] <akk> I do have another power supply I could use, but I wasn't bothering because all the howto guides said usb was fine.
  • [18:24:43] <m_billybob> and you're sure the hub is capable of providing 500mA or better per port ?
  • [18:25:05] <akk> No, I have no idea how to test that.
  • [18:25:13] <akk> It seems to be running fine with the card plugged in, though ...
  • [18:25:29] <akk> I can try booting without the card and with a separate power supply if you think that's the likely problem.
  • [18:25:41] <m_billybob> well it seemed it flashed correctly by what you say what happened but . . .yeah somethign isnt right
  • [18:26:05] <m_billybob> all thigns being equal i normaly shoot for user error , but most people using the bbb are most likely know wtf they're doing
  • [18:26:16] <akk> I was thinking it seemed like it didn't flash correctly, since it boots with the card, but not just from the onboard flash.
  • [18:26:38] <m_billybob> where did you get the flasher image from ?
  • [18:26:46] <m_billybob> CCo link ?
  • [18:26:54] <akk> https://s3.amazonaws.com/angstrom/demo/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img.xz
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  • [18:27:10] <m_billybob> im not familiar with that
  • [18:27:11] <akk> and I wrote it to the card with dd bs=1M if=BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img of=/dev/sdb
  • [18:27:18] <m_billybob> is that a link from CCO ?
  • [18:27:24] <akk> (I had to guess that since I couldn't find any docs that actually said)
  • [18:27:46] <akk> I went to http://beagleboard.org/latest-images and used the link from there.
  • [18:28:12] <m_billybob> ok well im kind of out of my element here as I personally dont use angstrom
  • [18:28:27] <m_billybob> I still have 3.8.8 on emmc here
  • [18:28:31] <m_billybob> and boot from network
  • [18:29:21] <akk> Ah, turns out it's root with no password, finally found login info.
  • [18:29:31] <m_billybob> akk but everythign ive seen Gerlad say on the groups in this respect, he points people to CCo's links
  • [18:29:50] <akk> If I'm booted from the sd card, can I mount the onboard flash and check uEnv.txt?
  • [18:29:55] <m_billybob> Gerald too but ok
  • [18:30:08] <akk> What is CCo?
  • [18:30:11] <m_billybob> what does blkid say ?
  • [18:30:18] <m_billybob> circuit co
  • [18:30:20] <akk> command not found
  • [18:30:25] <m_billybob> really.
  • [18:30:29] <m_billybob> mount ?
  • [18:30:30] <koen> panto: pong
  • [18:30:53] <akk> /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/1, /dev/mmcblk1p2 on /media/2
  • [18:30:55] <m_billybob> i suppose fdisk -l would work too
  • [18:31:02] <akk> maybe one of those is the onboard storage?
  • [18:31:16] <m_billybob> it'll be a vfat part
  • [18:31:30] <akk> Looks like /media/2 is a system, /media/1 is uboot stuff.
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  • [18:31:54] <akk> /1 is vfat, /2 is ext4
  • [18:32:11] <m_billybob> ok soudns right
  • [18:32:19] <akk> Maybe uboot got messed up in the flash.
  • [18:32:30] <m_billybob> look for uEnv.txt
  • [18:33:02] <akk> /media/1/uEnv.txt contains: optargs=quiet drm.debug=7
  • [18:33:12] <m_billybob> thats right
  • [18:33:35] <m_billybob> what all else is on that parition ?
  • [18:33:40] <m_billybob> uboot.img and MLO ?
  • [18:33:44] <akk> App MLO u-boot.img uEnv.txt
  • [18:34:12] <akk> App is a directory with one file, beaglebone-getting-started.zip
  • [18:34:18] <m_billybob> so that leaves me wondering if the boot flag is set for that partition
  • [18:34:54] <m_billybob> I dont recall how to check that offhand without gettign into fdisk
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  • [18:35:04] <m_billybob> maybe fdisk -l would tell ?
  • [18:35:15] <akk> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
  • [18:35:15] <akk> /dev/mmcblk1p1 * 63 144584 72261 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
  • [18:35:15] <akk> /dev/mmcblk1p2 144585 3743144 1799280 83 Linux
  • [18:35:19] <akk> Looks like the boot flag is set.
  • [18:35:35] <akk> Assuming that I'm looking at the onboard and not the SD card, anyway.
  • [18:35:50] <m_billybob> thats the emmc if you've booted from sd
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  • [18:36:06] <akk> Oh, there's also one for /dev/mmcblk0p1 * 63 144584 72261 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
  • [18:36:08] <m_billybob> sd would be mmcblk0p1
  • [18:36:16] <m_billybob> yeap
  • [18:36:38] <akk> And ... that /media/1/uEnv.txt was mounted from blk1, not blk0
  • [18:36:46] <akk> so I think I need to mount /dev/mmcblk0p1
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  • [18:36:56] <m_billybob> blk0 is the sd card
  • [18:36:57] <angs> is there any linux distro commonly used as server where the high security is needed?
  • [18:37:14] <m_billybob> not concerened wit hthe contents of the sd card ust the emmc
  • [18:37:19] <akk> Right.
  • [18:37:29] <akk> Thought maybe 0 would be the built-in.
  • [18:37:39] <m_billybob> so this is strange not sure why that wouldnt be working
  • [18:37:49] <m_billybob> no 0 is the devices booted from
  • [18:37:57] <m_billybob> 1 is the other device if any
  • [18:38:31] <m_billybob> so assuming you booted emmc then the emmc would be blk0
  • [18:38:40] <akk> ok
  • [18:39:00] <m_billybob> so yeah not sure why that isnt working
  • [18:39:07] <m_billybob> fdisk has nothign else to say ?
  • [18:39:51] <m_billybob> well let me go ahead and fdisk -l my own here just to make sure i didnt miss something
  • [18:39:52] <akk> It has lots to say, went on for pages (well, over one page).
  • [18:41:11] <m_billybob> pastebin the whole output then let me have a lok see
  • [18:41:18] <m_billybob> look see*
  • [18:41:55] <m_billybob> mainly just wondering if there arent any other unused paritions
  • [18:42:04] <m_billybob> if you can figure that outon your own then no need
  • [18:42:20] <akk> http://pastebin.com/HGjkqgag
  • [18:42:55] <akk> There are these /dev/mmcblk1boot[01] things, not sure if those are different.
  • [18:42:57] <m_billybob> Disk /dev/mmcblk1boot0: 1 MB, 1048576 bytes
  • [18:43:00] <m_billybob> that doesnt seem right
  • [18:43:15] <m_billybob> Disk /dev/mmcblk1boot0 doesn't contain a valid partition table
  • [18:43:27] <m_billybob> thats what my ouput has to say
  • [18:43:38] <akk> Maybe the dd command I used was wrong, needed a different block size or something?
  • [18:43:51] <akk> I couldn't find anything useful on the web about how to dd the image to the sd card.
  • [18:44:03] <m_billybob> perhaps yo should go to circuitcos step by step guide
  • [18:44:11] <akk> I used bs=1M because there was an adafruit tutorial for mac that used that.
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  • [18:44:27] <m_billybob> but look it booted up
  • [18:44:37] <m_billybob> and you didnt dd the emmc right ?
  • [18:44:41] <m_billybob> so yeah
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  • [18:45:07] <m_billybob> and actually your poutput looks similar to mine
  • [18:45:09] <akk> Where's the circuitos one?
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  • [18:45:32] <akk> I didn't dd the emmc, no; dded to the sd card, then booted off the sd card to supposedly flash the emmc (I thought).
  • [18:45:44] <m_billybob> right you did it rigth if it boots
  • [18:45:46] <akk> Well, I guess it did flash the emmc. Just not with the right thing.
  • [18:45:52] <akk> Since it doesn't boot afterward.
  • [18:46:14] <akk> When I wrote the image to the card, should I have written it to a partition on the card?
  • [18:46:31] <akk> I wrote it to of=/dev/sdb, not of=/dev/sdb1 -- that was another question I couldn't find the answer to.
  • [18:46:43] <m_billybob> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack#Angstrom
  • [18:46:58] <m_billybob> sdb1 would be a mistake
  • [18:47:08] <m_billybob> or hmm perhaps not
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  • [18:47:20] <m_billybob> ( off by one error in my head )
  • [18:47:33] <m_billybob> no sdb1 would be /boot
  • [18:48:43] <m_billybob> oh hmm grrrr i hate circuitcos wiki page already
  • [18:48:55] <m_billybob> ah there we go
  • [18:49:07] <m_billybob> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software
  • [18:49:16] <akk> yeah, I've been clicking around looking for actual instructions. http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/BBB_software_update_process looks promising.
  • [18:50:34] <m_billybob> seems he says to use sdx too
  • [18:50:35] <akk> Funny, it says that eMMC flasher images "are not images to be used to boot from the uSD expecting a desktop or anything close to a good experience"
  • [18:50:47] <akk> but so far all I've been able to do is boot from the flasher image.
  • [18:50:49] <m_billybob> lol
  • [18:51:03] <m_billybob> the bbb wouldnt run as sent to you ?
  • [18:51:10] <akk> yeah, he uses the same dd command I used.
  • [18:51:22] <akk> It ran, but I couldn't ssh to it.
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  • [18:51:37] <m_billybob> ah thats a blank file issue with dropbear
  • [18:51:39] <akk> I could bring up the network and access the web server, but couldn't actually log in.
  • [18:51:48] <m_billybob> i forget whcih file it is but yeah
  • [18:51:54] <akk> One page I found said updating the software was supposed to fix that.
  • [18:51:56] <m_billybob> what distro you run on your desktop ?
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  • [18:52:17] <akk> Debian or Ubuntu, I switch back and forth (debian unstable today).
  • [18:52:31] <m_billybob> you know you can run debian from the bbb too
  • [18:52:34] <m_billybob> or ubuntu
  • [18:52:37] <akk> I'm thinking maybe I should try flashing again, but this time with external power connected.
  • [18:52:45] <akk> Maybe it had a power glitch during the flashing process.
  • [18:53:11] <akk> Also, maybe it'll give me some kind of useful info over the serial cable (here's hoping).
  • [18:53:15] <m_billybob> id follow this guys instructions if cco is linking to him
  • [18:53:26] <akk> The dd command is the same as I used.
  • [18:53:42] <akk> of=sdX and bs=1M
  • [18:54:23] <akk> ha, it panics if I run poweroff
  • [18:54:32] <akk> What's the right way to shut down?
  • [18:55:00] <m_billybob> shutdown now -r
  • [18:55:10] <m_billybob> or shutdown -r now
  • [18:55:14] <m_billybob> -h whatever
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  • [18:55:36] <m_billybob> angstrom may even have a reboot script not sure
  • [18:56:31] <akk> Is there a difference between booting off the SD card with the button held in (the boot button, the one near the SD card) and without the button?
  • [18:56:56] <akk> When I flashed, I held in the button, so I just did that again, but the serial cable gave me boot messages and a login prompt.
  • [18:57:02] <akk> I don't know if it's trying to flash again, or not.
  • [18:57:07] <akk> Should I log in and check ps?
  • [18:57:40] <m_billybob> are you supposed to hold the boot button when installig nthis ?
  • [18:58:04] <m_billybob> what did the instructions say where you got the image ?
  • [18:58:14] <m_billybob> that doesnt soundsright to me
  • [19:00:42] <m_billybob> this guys instructions say yes, hold down the boot button
  • [19:00:57] <akk> The instructions I saw everywhere said to hold the button down when booting from the flasher card.
  • [19:01:05] <m_billybob> guess no one bothered to craft an automated uEnv.txt file
  • [19:01:19] <akk> But at least after flashing, I can boot from it without holding any button down.
  • [19:01:53] <akk> When I boot with the button down, I get two lines just after the login prompt: libphy: PHY 4a101000.mdio:01 not found
  • [19:02:03] <akk> and net eth0: phy 4a101000.mdio:01 not found on slave 1
  • [19:02:05] <m_billybob> see, i've booted from SD in the past, but the instructions i followed by Robert Nelson have an uEnv.txt file that does not require any button pusing ot take place
  • [19:02:14] <akk> I don't think I got those when I booted without holding the button.
  • [19:02:52] <akk> Yes, it's still there in scrollback, no such messages when no button. (Might be a coincidence, though.)
  • [19:03:11] <m_billybob> sounds like you should start from square one
  • [19:03:30] <akk> Rewrite the SD card before trying to boot/flash from it?
  • [19:03:30] <m_billybob> what purpose do you plan on using the bbb for ?
  • [19:03:35] <m_billybob> yes.
  • [19:03:42] <akk> I want to do hardware control, robotics.
  • [19:04:00] <m_billybob> consider this.
  • [19:04:09] <m_billybob> you're already using ubuntu or debian
  • [19:04:33] <m_billybob> my personal reccomendation would be to use ubuntu or debian on the bb too
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  • [19:05:01] <m_billybob> but you can boot off of sd for that
  • [19:05:15] <akk> I may end up doing that. Especially if I can't get Angstrom to work.
  • [19:05:40] <akk> One friend had been telling me how Angstrom was so much better for hardware control, so I was hoping to try it and see.
  • [19:05:41] <m_billybob> my reasoning here is simple, I like ot keep my support OS the same as the OS on the BBB architecture aside
  • [19:05:51] <m_billybob> thats a falshood
  • [19:06:32] <m_billybob> ok fair enough
  • [19:06:42] <akk> I was thinking Angstrom might also be lighter weight than the desktop-oriented distros
  • [19:06:43] <m_billybob> I kept angstrom on my emmc too
  • [19:06:54] <akk> but looking at ps, maybe not -- it's running things like wpa_supplicant and avahi
  • [19:07:18] <m_billybob> if you're used to how debian works . .yeah we'll see
  • [19:07:24] <m_billybob> i think you're going ot get tired of it
  • [19:07:26] <_av500_> both blink the cursor at about the same speed
  • [19:07:30] <m_billybob> you can experience that for yourself though
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  • [19:07:45] <akk> I'm not seeing any processes that look like "I'm busy re-flashing the emmc", though
  • [19:08:06] <m_billybob> CPU usage ?
  • [19:08:22] <m_billybob> if its writting to emmc it should be fairly high
  • [19:08:36] <_av500_> on angstrom is is emmc.sh
  • [19:08:41] <_av500_> that does the flashing
  • [19:08:44] <akk> I haven't figured out how to get angstrom's ps to tell me that. aux doesn't work, -ef doesn't work.
  • [19:08:53] <m_billybob> top ?
  • [19:09:02] <akk> All I've managed so far is ps with no args, which gives me VSZ and STAT but no CPU.
  • [19:09:07] <ds2> led flashing is done on a single toggle basis
  • [19:09:13] <ds2> so you will not find a busy process
  • [19:09:25] <ds2> sounds like it is busybox ps?
  • [19:09:28] <akk> It does have top; the only thing with significant CPU is /lib/systemd/systemd-journald
  • [19:09:44] <m_billybob> whats total CPU usage ?
  • [19:09:48] <ds2> for flashing it is not CPU pegged
  • [19:09:55] <ds2> it is IO pegged so sorting by CPU is not productive
  • [19:10:04] <ds2> look for processes in the IOWAIT state
  • [19:10:06] <akk> Oh, wait, top shows a process, though: cp -r /media/2/usr/share/beaglebone-getting-started/
  • [19:10:14] <akk> Hmm, that seems like a silly thing for it to be doing.
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  • [19:11:00] <akk> Ah, ps -w works, it's actually cp -r /media/2/usr/share/beaglebone-getting-started/App /media/2/usr/share/beaglebone-getting-started/Doc
  • [19:11:10] <m_billybob> heh maybe its copying the rootfs over ? *shrug*
  • [19:11:23] <akk> What a weird thing for it to be doing. Both on /media/2
  • [19:12:14] <akk> I guess I'd better shut down, rewrite the SD and try again, and see what it does then.
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  • [19:12:51] <akk> shutdown -h now also leads to a kernel panic, btw
  • [19:13:02] <m_billybob> ds2 whats the latest workign image for angstrom ?
  • [19:13:09] <m_billybob> crazy.
  • [19:15:05] <m_billybob> seems koen has many
  • [19:16:00] <m_billybob> i guess this is it ?
  • [19:16:04] <m_billybob> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.03.13.img.xz
  • [19:16:29] <ds2> working is relative
  • [19:16:30] <ds2> ;)
  • [19:16:30] <akk> 03.13? The one I downloaded is 06.20
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  • [19:17:02] <m_billybob> yeah im having hard time making heads of tails of koens download page here
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  • [19:17:29] <m_billybob> here we go
  • [19:17:30] <m_billybob> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img.xz
  • [19:17:32] <m_billybob> however
  • [19:17:41] <m_billybob> I think that may be a console only image
  • [19:17:49] <m_billybob> do you require a desktop ?
  • [19:18:03] <akk> No, don't need a desktop.
  • [19:18:30] <_av500_> a least a bedside table?
  • [19:18:36] <m_billybob> lol
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  • [19:19:27] <m_billybob> im not sure what is in that image exactly it is pretty small though
  • [19:19:36] <m_billybob> 367M
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  • [19:20:38] <akk> So that's likely better than the BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img.xz (same filename, 369M) I got from the link on http://beagleboard.org/latest-images ?
  • [19:21:03] <m_billybob> I know nothing about that link you gave earlier
  • [19:21:12] <m_billybob> do not recognize it at all
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  • [19:22:01] <rob_w> o7
  • [19:22:06] <_av500_> :)
  • [19:22:17] <akk> It's the image linked from http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [19:22:19] <m_billybob> akk it could be exactly the same though
  • [19:22:21] <akk> Is that not the right place to go?
  • [19:22:38] <akk> I'm downloading the dominion one, can compare them.
  • [19:22:39] <m_billybob> akk koen is the source, but yeah seems fine i suppose
  • [19:23:01] <m_billybob> noting nefarious should be going on from beagleboard.org
  • [19:23:21] <akk> It just looks like they're using amazon's servers to distribute bandwidth
  • [19:23:27] <akk> which they even say, somewhere on the site.
  • [19:23:42] <akk> I wish they gave mdsums or something.
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  • [19:23:47] <_av500_> yes
  • [19:23:50] <_av500_> s3
  • [19:23:59] <akk> Usually I don't even bother to check such things, but when things fail horribly, like here ...
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  • [19:24:43] <m_billybob> akk wel you may have missed a step somewhere inbetween
  • [19:24:53] <m_billybob> it happens especially to me.
  • [19:24:53] <akk> So now, the question is, wait 15 minutes for the koen image to finish downloading, or start another flash of the image from aws which will take another hour?
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  • [19:25:13] <_av500_> why should they differ?
  • [19:25:21] <akk> If I missed a step, I'm gonna miss it again, because the list of steps seems pretty straightforward.
  • [19:25:32] <_av500_> there are no steps
  • [19:25:36] <_av500_> write image to sd card
  • [19:25:38] <_av500_> insert
  • [19:25:39] <_av500_> boot
  • [19:25:40] <_av500_> done
  • [19:25:47] <m_billybob> write image to sd card ?
  • [19:25:49] <_av500_> hold the usr button while booting
  • [19:25:51] <m_billybob> what about extraction ?
  • [19:25:57] <akk> (figuring out the steps wasn't all that straightforward, admittedly)
  • [19:26:27] <_av500_> m_billybob: well, when I tell you to read a letter, I expect you to open it
  • [19:26:35] <akk> av500: Boot with button held down; watch lights for an hour until they go steady; power off are the steps I was following.
  • [19:26:42] <_av500_> yes
  • [19:26:55] <m_billybob> av500 a computer is only as smart as you tell it to be
  • [19:27:06] <_av500_> I dont not take akk for a bot
  • [19:27:08] <akk> Then, unplug; plug back in; watch no lights come on.
  • [19:27:14] <m_billybob> lol
  • [19:27:55] <m_billybob> av500 why wouldnt it boot then ? file structure all seemed to be correct. MLO u-boot.img and uEnv.txt were all there
  • [19:27:56] * ds2 gasps in amazement
  • [19:27:59] <akk> Okay, trying again with the re-written aws image.
  • [19:28:10] <_av500_> no idea
  • [19:28:13] <_av500_> things can go wrong
  • [19:28:34] <akk> And this time, powered from an external power supply.
  • [19:28:55] <akk> Anyone know if it's safe to log in (over the serial cable) and check ps while the flash is supposedly happening?
  • [19:29:06] <ds2> yes
  • [19:29:07] <akk> I got normal bootup messages this time, no errors.
  • [19:29:35] <m_billybob> already startign to sound better.
  • [19:30:10] <akk> It has a process {mkcard.sh} /bin/sh ./mkcard.sh /dev/mmcblk1 and another, sfdisk -D -H 255 -S 63 -C 233 /dev/mmcblk1
  • [19:30:12] <akk> those look promising
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  • [19:30:27] <m_billybob> akk also for what its worth. from what i understand powering via USB the processor scales speed where as powering via barrel jack i understand you're locked at 1Ghz
  • [19:30:54] <m_billybob> base speed depending on distro i suppose is 300Mhz
  • [19:30:58] <m_billybob> no load
  • [19:31:05] <m_billybob> scales to 1Ghz full load
  • [19:31:32] <ssc1> _av500_ - Please help me out on what my real name tell?
  • [19:32:05] <ssc1> have just installed a new IRC client and is trying to get up to date on my IRC skills (which are close to none-existing) :-)
  • [19:32:36] <m_billybob> ssc1 is ~ssc@002128070133.mbb.telenor.dk * Soren Steen Christensen
  • [19:32:43] <ssc1> great
  • [19:32:50] <ssc1> wrote just S??ren for a long time
  • [19:33:09] <m_billybob> akk anyhow interrested in how this turns out, but ill be back in a few
  • [19:33:12] <ssc1> but still to understand why I often is ssc2 and not just ssc
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  • [19:33:38] <akk> m_billybob: It'll be nearly an hour before I know anything anyway.
  • [19:33:41] <_av500_> ssc1: no server you can log in and idle?
  • [19:34:04] <ssc1> _av500_. No idea what you are talking about
  • [19:34:12] <ssc1> as asid my IRC skills are close to none
  • [19:34:16] <_av500_> ssc1: a server you can ssh into
  • [19:34:17] <ssc1> asid = said
  • [19:34:22] <_av500_> run a screen session
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  • [19:34:31] <_av500_> so you can disconnect an d reconnect
  • [19:34:38] <_av500_> but keep your irc session
  • [19:34:42] <ssc1> in order to stay online in channel you mean
  • [19:34:43] <ssc1> aha
  • [19:34:45] <_av500_> yes
  • [19:34:52] <_av500_> run irssi inside screen
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  • [19:34:55] <_av500_> or tmux
  • [19:34:58] <_av500_> or mosh these days
  • [19:35:10] <ssc1> _av500_ so this is how people do
  • [19:35:18] <_av500_> some
  • [19:35:45] <ssc1> _av500_ right now just logged direclty in from my Win PC using Pidgin
  • [19:36:24] <ssc1> guess next task is to move to server
  • [19:36:36] <_av500_> then on the server you can run a plugin
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  • [19:36:46] <_av500_> that will present a virtual irc server to your pidgin
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  • [19:36:57] <_av500_> so each time you log in, you get back into the channel
  • [19:37:03] <_av500_> but you cna use your win irc SW
  • [19:37:08] <_av500_> and get the backlog etc
  • [19:37:15] <ssc1> ok
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  • [19:37:30] <ssc1> will it keep stuff which have went on since last logout
  • [19:37:37] <ssc1> I guess so as server will be always online
  • [19:37:42] <_av500_> yes
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  • [19:37:58] <ssc1> have basically be using Skype for this kind of stuff until now
  • [19:38:05] <ssc1> (but in a kind of much more closed forum)
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  • [19:38:26] <_av500_> and now you are fleeing the NSA?
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  • [19:38:39] <ssc1> :-)
  • [19:38:55] <ssc1> no - actually hoping to get to a position of being able to help more upstream
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  • [19:39:06] <ssc1> although still plenty of work to do
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  • [19:39:23] <ssc1> but need to start prioritizing helping out upstream as well
  • [19:39:28] <ssc1> more than I have done the last years
  • [19:39:39] <ssc1> need= would like to
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  • [19:45:08] <akk> It's doing that cp -r /media/2/usr/share/beaglebone-getting-started/ thing again. I'm starting to wish I could get an image that skipped that part.
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  • [19:46:21] <m_billybob> akk maybe later you'll build your own
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  • [19:46:41] <akk> Ah, the script is at /usr/bin/emmc.sh
  • [19:46:43] <m_billybob> some guy on the groups was saying this morning he builds a 12MB image
  • [19:47:02] <m_billybob> console-minimal
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  • [19:48:01] <akk> The script has output talking about what it's doing, but I haven't figured out where the output is going.
  • [19:48:04] <akk> Not to the console.
  • [19:48:30] * mru remmbers when 1.44M was huge
  • [19:48:44] <ssc1> :-)
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  • [19:52:23] * mru also remembers when floppies were actually floppy
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  • [19:53:31] <kfoltman> mru: well, how about those atari/commodore drives that used single side/single density floppies? :P
  • [19:53:47] * _av500_ had these
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  • [19:54:37] <mru> never had one of those machines
  • [19:55:03] <kfoltman> mru: or ZX Spectrum with a home cassette recoder
  • [19:55:11] <akk> Better than cassette taps.
  • [19:55:27] <kfoltman> Everything is better than cassette tapes.
  • [19:55:35] <mru> I have used the casette tapes
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  • [19:56:20] <_av500_> taoes was horrible
  • [19:56:22] <_av500_> tapes
  • [19:56:28] <kfoltman> losing the only copy of the assembler/monitor to hungry tape recorder wasn't pleasant
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  • [20:00:35] <akk> In case anybody's curious, the two BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img.xz images (from aws and koen) are the same.
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  • [20:01:32] <m_billybob> once i realized it was from beagleboard.org i had little doubt
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  • [20:02:53] <akk> It's doing a bunch of gnome/gconf stuff now, sigh.
  • [20:03:41] <akk> So that thought about it being a text-only image ... maybe not so much.
  • [20:04:05] <m_billybob> he definately has enough images there to have one somewhere
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  • [20:04:11] <akk> I wish it sent the output of this script somewhere useful.
  • [20:04:18] <m_billybob> but you can always build your own custom image later
  • [20:04:30] <m_billybob> that crashcourse site has instructions for doing that too
  • [20:04:32] <m_billybob> somewhere.
  • [20:05:17] <m_billybob> well as RCN would say, patches are welcome ;)
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  • [20:07:20] <m_billybob> "Its not that it doesn't work at all, it does, but for now you cannot boot from the SD-Card without holding down the boot button."
  • [20:07:22] <akk> Let's see if I like angstrom or even can get it to work at all, first. :)
  • [20:07:29] <m_billybob> thats not rigth _Sy_ . . .
  • [20:07:30] <ka6sox> heh
  • [20:07:45] <akk> If I knew where the script was being run (there doesn't seem to be anything like /etc/rc.local or /etc/rc.init)
  • [20:07:53] <akk> then it would probably be trivial to capture the output.
  • [20:08:15] <akk> Which would be good, because in case of error, the script sets the LEDs off (I assume echo none > /sys/class/leds/beaglebone\:green\:usr0/trigger means off?)
  • [20:08:25] <akk> and echos "ERRORS found: ${ERROR}"
  • [20:08:36] <akk> which would be really helpful to see if you actually had errors.
  • [20:08:50] <m_billybob> yes that turns the leds off
  • [20:08:51] <akk> (In my case, the LEDs all came on, so it didn't think there were errors.)
  • [20:09:09] <m_billybob> when you get a chance after logging in, cat that file
  • [20:09:31] <m_billybob> it will also give you a clue how to get ride of the flashing led if that annoys you
  • [20:09:36] <m_billybob> get rid of*
  • [20:09:37] <akk> I've been catting it, but I have no easy way of getting it onto another machine.
  • [20:09:52] <m_billybob> ?
  • [20:09:53] <akk> (I guess I could copy/paste screenfull by screenfull.)
  • [20:10:09] <m_billybob> you lost me
  • [20:10:11] <ka6sox> mru, hwbug is sooo much fun :)
  • [20:10:38] <mru> 26-26-54, I assume
  • [20:10:39] <m_billybob> akk, not sure i know what you mean, but ssh ftw . . .
  • [20:10:52] <m_billybob> after you're logged in of course
  • [20:10:59] <mru> the main site is more serious
  • [20:11:02] <ka6sox> yes
  • [20:11:13] <akk> m_billybob: The script is on the beaglebone which is busy running it, but I have no way to copy it onto my desktop machine, or upload it or anything.
  • [20:11:21] <ka6sox> sorry 26-26-54
  • [20:11:42] <akk> There's no ssh. Hoping to get ssh is the reason I'm doing this re-flash in the first place, remember? :)
  • [20:11:52] <m_billybob> akk, I use putty on windows . . . so much easier i guess but you can also log it
  • [20:11:56] <akk> The angstrom shipped on the BBB can't do it.
  • [20:12:06] <ka6sox> can't do what?
  • [20:12:09] <akk> ssh
  • [20:12:09] <m_billybob> akk i use putty for the serial debug console
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  • [20:12:16] <ka6sox> akk, seriously???
  • [20:12:22] <akk> ka6sox: seriously
  • [20:12:23] <m_billybob> i also log my putty sessions
  • [20:12:31] <ka6sox> hmmm....
  • [20:12:40] <akk> ka6sox: Apparently it's a bug and at least a couple people say flashing to a newer angstrom fixes it.
  • [20:12:41] <ka6sox> I am currently ssh'd into 2 BBBs running Angstrom
  • [20:12:57] <m_billybob> ka6sox its a common problem
  • [20:13:06] <m_billybob> wulfman my buddy experienced it initially as well
  • [20:13:15] <akk> m_billybob: I have screen running under xterm ... maybe there's a way to get screen to capture output, but I don't know how.
  • [20:13:27] <mru> m_billybob: I log your putty sessions
  • [20:13:31] <m_billybob> akk pipe ?
  • [20:13:37] <mru> </nsa>
  • [20:13:43] <m_billybob> mru good two sets of eyes better than one ;)
  • [20:13:46] <akk> Oh, sure, if I'd run screen under script or something I'd have a log.
  • [20:13:55] <akk> I guess I could disconnect and reconnect now, but I'm a little nervous doing that
  • [20:13:57] * ka6sox rolls eyes
  • [20:14:00] <akk> in the middle of an hour-plus operation
  • [20:14:57] <akk> (also I can never remember how to get screen to disconnect other than killing it from another terminal -- screen isn't very user friendly)
  • [20:15:23] <m_billybob> mru, so question uEnv.txt has total control over how the bbb boots right ? no matter whcih distro you're running ?
  • [20:15:54] <m_billybob> im under the impression that all distros use the same version of uboot
  • [20:15:57] <mru> u-boot runs before any distro
  • [20:16:28] <m_billybob> ok so you made me answer my own question good.
  • [20:16:30] <akk> My uboot wasn't running at all, though.
  • [20:16:37] <m_billybob> question would be yees then
  • [20:16:41] <m_billybob> err answer
  • [20:16:42] <akk> The files were there on the partition, but the booting part wasn't working.
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  • [20:17:20] <m_billybob> mru was still unclear as to whether all images used the same uboot or not
  • [20:17:32] <m_billybob> clarified now though
  • [20:18:07] <akk> I suspect that when I was booting off the SD card, I was actually using a uboot from the SD card
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  • [20:18:14] <akk> since the one on the emmc wasn't running
  • [20:18:16] <mru> I did not say either way on that
  • [20:18:18] <akk> but maybe that's wrong.
  • [20:18:30] <m_billybob> mru ok so clalrification still needed ;)
  • [20:19:09] <akk> geez, it's still running gnome settings and gconftool.
  • [20:19:18] <akk> I so need a cmdline distro that doesn't have gnome ...
  • [20:19:21] <m_billybob> play by play ?
  • [20:19:33] <m_billybob> yeah its not console image
  • [20:19:52] <m_billybob> im not sure which one of those images koen has is the actual console image assuming he even has one
  • [20:20:11] <akk> Sorry if you don't want the play by play. Just that it's been doing gnome/gconf setting for 18 minutes now.
  • [20:20:26] <akk> No wonder this flashing business takes so long.
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  • [20:21:27] <akk> Why would anyone want to run gnome on a lightweight board like this anyway?
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  • [20:29:58] <Guest38978> Hi everyone!
  • [20:30:41] <mru> akk: why would anyone want to run gnome?
  • [20:31:47] <akk> mru: Good point! I don't even on big fast machines.
  • [20:32:21] <Guest38978> it's good in some cases, well-designed, but may be resource-intensive and unstable in some situations
  • [20:32:54] <akk> It seems to be finally through gnome proper, and now it's just running gtk-update-icon-cache for a gazillion individual apps.
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  • [20:33:49] <mru> gnome has been all downhill starting with 1.4
  • [20:34:06] * akk wonders why this is all being done as a script, rather than just copying a filesystem image onto the device
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  • [20:34:58] <akk> Woo! It's done. LEDs lit, 1:06 total time.
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  • [20:37:44] <m_billybob> lxde ftw
  • [20:37:46] <Guest38978> I'm just gonna get my new BeagleBone Black in a few days! I'm so excited...
  • [20:37:51] <m_billybob> akk and now what ?
  • [20:38:48] <akk> Letting it sit unpowered for a minute or two, just in case ...
  • [20:38:59] <akk> That's probably long enough, trying ...
  • [20:39:17] <akk> Looking promising -- we have uboot
  • [20:39:24] <akk> and we have kernel messages
  • [20:39:52] <akk> and a login prompt, with those two errors I saw earlier when booting off the sd card
  • [20:40:10] <m_billybob> so now if you still cant log in via ssh you can fix it
  • [20:40:17] <m_billybob> but you could have fixed it earlier too
  • [20:40:27] <akk> From the web page?
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  • [20:40:41] <mastiff> log in ssh through eth, it will work
  • [20:40:46] <akk> I forgot to plug in the mini usb cable, so I'm going to reboot to add that and see if the network works.
  • [20:40:47] <m_billybob> mounting the s card on your linux box, then deleting / editing that one file i forget the name of
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  • [20:42:04] <akk> eek, and then go through this whole 1:06 reflash yet again? Please no.
  • [20:42:15] <m_billybob> no no no
  • [20:42:29] <akk> Oh, wait, you were talking about initially. But there was no SD card initially.
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  • [20:42:41] <m_billybob> without a serial debug cable you could have just popped the sd card out put it in your desktop/laptop and edited the file
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  • [20:43:10] <m_billybob> of course you'd have to know the name of the file whcih i cant remember either, but its in relation to dropbear
  • [20:43:11] <akk> There was no SD card. The issue was the distro shipped on the emmc.
  • [20:43:23] <mru> scrap dropbear
  • [20:43:24] <m_billybob> ah yeah right lol my bad . . .
  • [20:43:24] <mru> now
  • [20:43:35] <m_billybob> mru scrap angstrom too ?
  • [20:43:48] <m_billybob> yeah im kidding
  • [20:43:56] <m_billybob> openssh-server ftw
  • [20:44:25] <mru> dropbear is nice because it works on uclinux
  • [20:44:32] <mru> but we're not running uclinux
  • [20:44:33] <akk> Yay! ssh works now
  • [20:45:12] <m_billybob> openssh-server isnt all that big . ..
  • [20:45:33] <akk> It's a lot smaller than the whole gnome desktop, for example. :)
  • [20:45:34] <ka6sox> openssh-server is not difficult...
  • [20:45:38] <ka6sox> heh
  • [20:45:43] <m_billybob> definately pales in comparrison to gnome X11 and al that other un needed garbage
  • [20:45:44] <mru> m_billybob: no, but it doesn't work on uclinux
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  • [20:45:51] <mru> needs a full mmu system
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  • [20:46:49] <m_billybob> what does angstrom have to do with uclinux ?
  • [20:46:54] <mru> nothing
  • [20:46:58] <m_billybob> ....
  • [20:47:14] <m_billybob> uclinux is an RTOS right ?
  • [20:47:17] <mru> no
  • [20:47:21] <mru> not by far
  • [20:47:29] <mru> uclinux is linux for nommu systems
  • [20:47:39] <mru> which is generally a bad idea
  • [20:47:53] <mru> but occasionally convenient for development
  • [20:47:56] <akk> Are there any RTOSes people are using on beaglebones?
  • [20:48:03] <mru> qnx runs ok
  • [20:48:06] <m_billybob> speaking of whcih was just reading an article on a new arduino project that runs linux . . .
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  • [20:48:38] <akk> There's some new arduino-paired-with-arm board, where the arm part runs linux.
  • [20:48:57] <mru> linux can't possibly run on an 8-bit avr
  • [20:49:12] <mru> (arm emulator running on avr doesn't count)
  • [20:50:12] <m_billybob> article i was reading was talkign about some arduino project that does wireless ? or wired lan
  • [20:50:35] <m_billybob> its in an actual dead tree magazine which isnt with me at this moment
  • [20:51:22] <m_billybob> personally i think running an OS no mater if RTOS or not is a silly idea
  • [20:51:31] <m_billybob> on that type of a device
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  • [20:52:54] <m_billybob> but the article was talkign about DDWRT or somethign like it
  • [20:53:29] <akk> It's nice to have things like python libraries, camera drivers etc ... yet still have good GPIO, analog input etc.
  • [20:53:57] <_av500_> the new arduino
  • [20:54:08] <_av500_> its an atheros wireless chipset plus an avr
  • [20:54:10] <akk> Before the BBB came out, it made sense to want an arduino-based board like that.
  • [20:54:18] <_av500_> the atheros runs openwrt
  • [20:54:44] <panto> koen, still here?
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  • [20:58:29] <Joematz> Has anyone has enabled the DSP Bridgedriver for beagleboard xm running android
  • [20:58:52] <_av500_> rowboat?
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  • [21:00:02] <Joematz> yes rowboatandroid
  • [21:00:17] <Joematz> i just download and test Android 4.0.3 ICS
  • [21:00:54] <Joematz> and it's working fine but when trying to enable the DSP following this steps http://android.serverbox.ch/?p=167
  • [21:01:01] <Joematz> i just got stuck
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  • [21:01:31] <Joematz> when i try to do make menuconfig i don't find de DSP Bridge i don't know how to enable
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  • [21:10:27] <mru> didn't dspbridge follow nokia to the grave?
  • [21:11:11] <panto> not immediately unfortunately
  • [21:11:32] <mru> damn zombie drivers
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  • [21:14:20] <Joematz> well i guess i'll died trying
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  • [21:15:26] <_av500_> I think rowboat is from the TI fraction that does not recognize the DSP
  • [21:15:42] <_av500_> they only talk to it via the swiss embassy
  • [21:16:00] <panto> _av500_, the TI factions remind me of the local leftist factions
  • [21:16:17] <panto> and People Front of Judea
  • [21:16:44] <mru> the Judean People's Front is so much better!
  • [21:17:49] <panto> that's for the roman governor to decide
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  • [21:20:23] <mastiff> working on driver for I2C barometer, and have most of it working, but two of the calibration coefficients values return as "None"
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  • [21:21:55] <mastiff> like this ./i2cTest.py coefficient a0 = None coefficient b1 = -2.44519042969 coefficient b2 = -0.973815917969 coefficient c12 = None Padc: 0397 (0x018D) Tadc: 0501 (0x01F5)
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  • [21:23:47] <_av500_> no i2cTest.py on my machine
  • [21:24:29] <_av500_> was bridge mainline?
  • [21:24:44] <mastiff> i named that file for testing the barometer
  • [21:25:21] <_av500_> ah staging
  • [21:25:29] <_av500_> Joematz: check again
  • [21:26:48] <Joematz> sorry which one?
  • [21:27:12] <_av500_> in staging
  • [21:27:19] <_av500_> driver->staging
  • [21:27:22] <_av500_> dspbridge
  • [21:28:28] <Joematz> Yeah i just seached that route but i don't have any dspbridge. My kernel is 2.6.37
  • [21:28:52] * panto sputters
  • [21:28:54] <Joematz> And i don't know is that before trying to find it i hace to install that module
  • [21:29:00] <Joematz> have**
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  • [21:31:31] <mastiff> http://pastebin.com/rrHYqzfn
  • [21:31:44] <mastiff> http://pastebin.com/7SzxcUtp
  • [21:31:53] <_av500_> 2.6.37?
  • [21:32:02] <_av500_> oh
  • [21:32:03] <mastiff> that's the class and test script for the I2C barometer
  • [21:32:41] <_av500_> Joematz: again, rowboat is from the TI fraction that does not know about the DSP
  • [21:33:13] <_av500_> it might well be that their .37 evil vendor kernel does not have bridge
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  • [21:34:28] <Joematz> hey good new
  • [21:35:33] <_av500_> https://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/DSP#Building_and_Testing_DSP_stack
  • [21:35:41] <_av500_> so they do know about the DSP
  • [21:36:12] <_av500_> ignore all I said
  • [21:36:14] <mru> knowledge does not imply acceptance
  • [21:36:20] <_av500_> true
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  • [21:38:54] <Joematz> hey rowboat does recognize the DSP
  • [21:39:17] <Joematz> it's just matter of have well configure the kernel for the correct target
  • [21:39:33] <Joematz> thanks _av500_
  • [21:40:21] <_av500_> mru: do you read this guy: http://ewontfix.com/11/
  • [21:40:44] <_av500_> ah its felker
  • [21:40:51] <_av500_> ringsa bell
  • [21:42:22] <mru> felker is silly
  • [21:43:10] <_av500_> ah
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  • [21:49:36] <akk> Where's a good pinout diagram for the header pins? I'm seeing conflicting info on various websites.
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  • [21:50:16] <kblin> akk: the technical reference manual?
  • [21:50:20] <akk> Like, http://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-io-python-library-on-beaglebone-black/gpio says P8_10 is GPIO 26
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  • [21:50:26] <akk> but http://letsmakerobots.com/node/37063?page=2 says it's sys reset.
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  • [21:52:04] <kblin> http://elinux.org/BeagleBone#P9_and_P8_-_Each_2x23_pins possibly
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  • [21:52:43] <akk> Is the pinout the same for BeagleBone and BeagleBone Black?
  • [21:52:52] <kblin> http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/a3/Docs/Hardware/BONE_SRM.pdf
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  • [21:52:56] <akk> Looking at the reference manual, but it's 120 pages of PDF, so I haven't found anything there yet.
  • [21:53:17] <mru> what a puny manual
  • [21:53:32] <mru> a proper reference manual is at least 3000 pages
  • [21:53:47] <m_billybob> you mean like the trm ?
  • [21:53:59] <akk> Silly me for thinking someone might actually have a pinout directly on the web somewhere.
  • [21:54:01] <mru> for example
  • [21:54:09] <mastiff> the AM335 manual is big
  • [21:54:21] <mru> not as big as the omap4 manual
  • [21:54:31] <mru> it's 4000 and some pages
  • [21:55:00] <m_billybob> the am335x TRM is over 4100 pages
  • [21:55:19] <mru> ah right, it is
  • [21:55:37] <mru> the omap3 one is a bit over 3k
  • [21:55:56] <mru> spruh73c is 4593 pages, in fact
  • [21:56:26] <m_billybob> I consider anything over 500 pages as "dahmed large"
  • [21:56:43] <m_billybob> "too big to lern in an hour or two "
  • [21:56:58] <m_billybob> learn too but yeah
  • [21:56:58] <mru> too big to fail
  • [21:57:29] <m_billybob> just wish there some somethign like an SDRM
  • [21:57:43] <m_billybob> read: something geared more towards developers
  • [21:57:50] <m_billybob> software type
  • [21:57:57] <mru> that's the trm
  • [21:58:46] <akk> The TRM doesn't seem to have an actual diagram, but it has a table ... what are "Mode0" through "Mode7" ?
  • [21:59:11] <m_billybob> akk supposedly Derek Molloy tossed together a table of both headers
  • [21:59:21] <m_billybob> ive yet to find it on his site
  • [21:59:31] <m_billybob> but he mentions it in his latest youtube video
  • [22:00:14] <mru> you should see the 'integration manuals' for the arm cores
  • [22:00:27] <m_billybob> think ill pass for now
  • [22:00:29] <mru> (they're not public)
  • [22:00:50] <mru> and they're only of interest if you've licensed a core anyway
  • [22:01:07] <m_billybob> so have you ?
  • [22:01:13] <mru> no
  • [22:01:17] <mru> I work for ARM
  • [22:01:31] <m_billybob> truely.
  • [22:01:48] <m_billybob> that must be an interrresting job
  • [22:02:05] <m_billybob> guess ill have to refrain from bashing ARM while you're around ;)
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  • [22:02:19] <mru> I work on open source stuff
  • [22:02:51] <m_billybob> ah so mranostay is kind of an Intel counterpart to you then
  • [22:03:08] <mru> are you calling me a troll?
  • [22:03:17] <m_billybob> no . . .
  • [22:03:39] <m_billybob> from memory thats what he does at Intel. open source stuff
  • [22:04:00] <mru> I doubt he does much of anything yet
  • [22:04:03] <mru> he only just started
  • [22:04:38] <panto> yes, his soul hasn't been ground to a fine dust yet
  • [22:04:47] <m_billybob> hehehe
  • [22:04:58] <mru> panto: he has a soul?
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  • [22:05:24] <panto> figuratively
  • [22:07:16] <akk> Oh sheesh, the diagram I was following reversed the names for P8 and P9. *eyeroll*
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  • [22:23:42] <pb__> souls are for the weak.
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  • [22:55:01] <akk> How can I find out which pins I can use for PWM output?
  • [22:55:57] <akk> I've read that there are 8 PWM pins. If I look in the tables in the SRM, there are 12 pins on P8 and 13 on P9 with "pwm" somewhere in their descriptions.
  • [22:56:20] <akk> I'm not clear what all the abbreviations mean or what the various modes are.
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  • [23:56:52] <WILLdude> Is the bbb gpio 3v3 or 5v
  • [23:59:55] <akk> 3.3