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  • [01:37:32] <ka6sox> he didn't stick around long
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  • [01:37:42] <jmoyerman> Not at all. haha
  • [01:37:59] <jmoyerman> guess he saw me here and figured I might have another question about the BCC
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  • [01:40:18] <mastiff> i'm working on BCC also
  • [01:40:26] <jmoyerman> Really? Cool.
  • [01:41:04] <mastiff> yeah where are the newZs
  • [01:41:22] <jmoyerman> ka6sox: do you have an e-mail I could send you those issues I found with that dts file? I still have a warning output and I'm not wise enough to figure out what it is, and if it's acceptable.
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  • [01:42:05] <mastiff> what do i need off github, just these two? bcc_lib bcc_software
  • [01:42:14] <fzombie> I got my beaglebone black working it's ass off. I've just been using it as a tiny low power server but now I'm thinking of getting another to actually use the pins and make fun projects.
  • [01:42:44] <jmoyerman> mastiff: are you planning on getting it going tonight? I'll be around and just went through the setup the other night, so I should be able to help you through
  • [01:43:30] <jmoyerman> Basically, you'll need to grab the lib and software, get the eeprom code going, flash the eeprom, build the bcc_tool, use it to flash the fpga, and go to town :D
  • [01:43:42] <jmoyerman> ooh... you'll also need to download the dts, and build a device tree blob
  • [01:43:48] <mastiff> yeah, that sounds good, i've check for shorts so the board is good hopefully
  • [01:43:57] <mastiff> i'm using BBB
  • [01:44:08] <mastiff> you also?
  • [01:44:11] <jmoyerman> you should be able to use i2c detect (i used that as well) and you'll be able to see it
  • [01:44:31] <jmoyerman> mine was running debian
  • [01:44:51] <mastiff> i built the spi DT previously on my other BBB
  • [01:45:11] <jmoyerman> Then you understand it then :D
  • [01:45:29] <jmoyerman> I had a harder time because debian's dtc compiler needed to be patched
  • [01:45:35] <mastiff> so I know what's going on there, not sure how to initialize the BCC with the eeprom after they are connected
  • [01:45:52] <jmoyerman> on the bcc software page, go into the eeprom folder, it has the instructions
  • [01:45:55] <jmoyerman> VERY simple
  • [01:45:57] <jmoyerman> like 2-3 commands haha
  • [01:46:08] <mastiff> i was using angstrom previously, but now debian
  • [01:46:50] <jmoyerman> if you've just switched to debian, you'll have to patch debian's dtc compiler... I've got the link around here somewhere
  • [01:49:57] <ka6sox> jmoyerman, sure
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  • [01:53:23] <mastiff> ka6sox, you work with nooks also?
  • [01:53:51] <ka6sox> yes
  • [01:54:00] <mastiff> saw something about that when I was grabbing bcc stuff off gethub
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  • [01:54:56] <ka6sox> :)
  • [01:55:07] <mastiff> i need some kind of nook to use for remote inteface in the sunlight for shell access to bbb
  • [01:55:18] <mastiff> what do you like for that?
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  • [01:55:58] <jmoyerman> isn't the nook android based?
  • [01:56:24] <emocakes> the kindle is linux
  • [01:56:27] <emocakes> i had a root shell on it
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  • [01:57:24] <mastiff> yeah I wanna use a nook for shell access from cockpit of my sailboat to bbbs inside the boat
  • [01:57:48] <jmoyerman> Interesting... What will you be using the BBB for?
  • [01:58:39] <mastiff> i think either android rooted or installing debian etc is the way to go, but it also depends on the chartplotter program as well
  • [01:59:15] <jmoyerman> Ugh... this is what happens when you get a software developer writing Verilog.
  • [01:59:41] <mastiff> I wanna use it in bright sunlight for console access for reading and programming, and also for displaying nautical charts
  • [02:01:24] <mastiff> openCPN is good charting for linux, and i use mxmariner on android, so I'm interested in getting one of those to display nicely on a nook
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  • [02:14:34] <jmoyerman> That sounds like a good idea.
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  • [02:16:08] <jmoyerman> eInk is the one thing I don't have haha
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  • [02:30:58] <thurgood> what would I need to supply a vendor that doesn't want to supply their driver source but will compile a custom module for me?
  • [02:31:37] <jmoyerman> thurgood: can't they give you a library to link against atleast?
  • [02:32:16] <thurgood> a library in the kernel mod... dind't even know that was possible
  • [02:33:04] <jmoyerman> wait... driver source... duh lol.
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  • [03:47:03] <mastiff> emeb_mac, welcome master of BCC
  • [03:48:55] <ssi> lul
  • [03:53:25] <emeb_mac> heh
  • [03:55:10] <emeb_mac> mastiff: did you build a BCC?
  • [03:56:40] <mastiff> yeah, and I had the spi dts setup back when ssi was working on it, but then swapped that bbb to debian so have to setup some things again
  • [03:57:18] <emeb_mac> ok
  • [03:57:21] <mastiff> the chip rotating surgery went fine a few weeks ago, and tested the bcc pretty well for shorts
  • [03:57:33] <mastiff> hardware should be good
  • [03:57:44] <emeb_mac> I remember now.
  • [03:57:51] <mastiff> i have these on the bbb bcc_lib bcc_software
  • [03:58:12] <emeb_mac> IIRC mrpackethead has the BCC & DT stuff working on debian
  • [03:58:30] <mrpackethead> yes, we do.
  • [03:58:39] <mrpackethead> but the brains to make that work is actually jmoyerman
  • [03:59:15] <ssi> emeb_mac: I got three more boards :D
  • [03:59:18] <ssi> I haven't populated them yet though
  • [03:59:25] * mrpackethead is a manager!
  • [03:59:37] <ssi> I figure five is enough for now ;)
  • [03:59:47] <emeb_mac> ssi: enough to run all your machines
  • [03:59:48] <ssi> if I succeed in using them for cnc machine interfaces, I may need a mess more though
  • [04:00:05] <mrpackethead> i had a look, there is only 5 boards left for sale
  • [04:00:12] <mrpackethead> the rest are mine.
  • [04:00:12] <ssi> OH NO BETTER BUY THEM ALL UP!
  • [04:00:13] <ssi> :D
  • [04:00:14] <emeb_mac> wow!
  • [04:00:26] <ssi> mrpackethead: thanks for that btw
  • [04:00:33] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: i've keep 12 of the 50
  • [04:00:34] <emeb_mac> +1
  • [04:00:59] <mrpackethead> i think its been a sucessful and useful thing to have done
  • [04:01:21] <mrpackethead> ceartinly we've got some useful things going on with it
  • [04:01:42] <mrpackethead> Joshua will probably right up some help for the debian stuff
  • [04:02:09] <emeb_mac> I'm frankly amazed that so many people wanted them.
  • [04:02:43] <emeb_mac> and encouraged :)
  • [04:02:49] <mrpackethead> there was a few requests for populated ones.
  • [04:03:02] <emeb_mac> not surprised - not everyone wants to solder
  • [04:03:15] <mrpackethead> it would be an easy enough thing to do
  • [04:03:23] <ssi> it's not a super easy board for beginners to solder
  • [04:03:27] <mastiff> i wanna use mine for calculating ais codes to transmit for vessel bearing based on gps coordinate input
  • [04:03:40] <mrpackethead> but the tool up costs are a bit prohibitive for low runs
  • [04:03:48] <emeb_mac> not surprised
  • [04:04:19] <mrpackethead> solder stencils
  • [04:04:20] <emeb_mac> I've been doing preliminary design work on an S6 version
  • [04:04:25] <mrpackethead> Cool.
  • [04:04:25] <ds2> has anyone done anything interesting with it?
  • [04:04:31] <mrpackethead> ds2, we have
  • [04:04:34] <ssi> emeb_mac: I'd be very interested in that
  • [04:04:37] <mrpackethead> but its a bit secrect. :-)
  • [04:04:40] <ds2> mrpackethead: what have you done?
  • [04:04:43] <ds2> oh BAH
  • [04:04:47] <emeb_mac> the S6 would have ~2x the gate capacity
  • [04:04:52] <ssi> emeb_mac: the mesa card that I'm trying to emulate uses a vq144 s6 part
  • [04:04:56] <emeb_mac> for about $4 more
  • [04:04:59] <mrpackethead> ds2.. its a 4 universe dmx interface, that supports RDM
  • [04:05:10] <ds2> what's DMX?
  • [04:05:12] <emeb_mac> ssi: that's the one I'm looking at - the LX9
  • [04:05:39] <ssi> emeb_mac: perfect... lemme know if I can get involved with the board design
  • [04:05:56] <ds2> emeb_mac: can the FPGA get to every pin on the expansion header?
  • [04:06:05] <emeb_mac> ssi: will do
  • [04:06:21] <emeb_mac> ds2: yes - plan is to hook up almost every BBB i/o pin
  • [04:06:56] <emeb_mac> except for I2C1 which is already used for capemgr
  • [04:07:03] <mastiff> emeb_mac, http://www.sharebrained.com/2013/05/21/my-first-8-layer-pcb/
  • [04:07:08] <ssi> no reason not to hook that up too
  • [04:07:19] <ssi> you can share the i2c bus so long as you avoid the four magic addresses
  • [04:07:32] <emeb_mac> ssi: except that it would be possible to kill the capebus enumeration.
  • [04:07:48] <ds2> who cares
  • [04:08:17] <ssi> that's true
  • [04:08:20] <ssi> so don't do that :)
  • [04:08:52] <emeb_mac> I'll think about it. We'll see what the routing looks like.
  • [04:09:29] <ds2> is that big enough to put in a M1?
  • [04:10:02] <emeb_mac> M1?
  • [04:10:14] <ssi> M1 garand? M1 tank?
  • [04:12:34] <emeb_mac> ds2: what do you mean by M1?
  • [04:12:49] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: going to keep it to four layers?
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  • [04:13:56] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: gonna try. Don't expect issues.
  • [04:14:28] <emocakes> bmw m1?
  • [04:15:41] <mrpackethead> could any one recommend a resonable rework station that die'snt cost $2000
  • [04:17:11] <mrpackethead> i am about to design my first Metal clad PCB
  • [04:18:16] <ds2> emeb_mac: Cortex-M1
  • [04:18:29] <ssi> you mean a softcore?
  • [04:18:36] <emeb_mac> ds2: ah.
  • [04:18:41] <emeb_mac> maybe.
  • [04:18:46] <ds2> yes
  • [04:18:49] <ds2> M1 is a soft core
  • [04:18:54] <ds2> M0 is hard
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  • [04:20:16] <emeb_mac> haboob time!
  • [04:20:30] <ds2> you get to swim in mud!
  • [04:20:49] <emeb_mac> sadly, no rain. just dust.
  • [04:21:08] <ds2> but when it hits the swimming pool...
  • [04:21:40] <ssi> emeb_mac: how many flipflops are in that LX9?
  • [04:21:56] <emeb_mac> ssi: uhhh... lemme check...
  • [04:22:45] <emeb_mac> 11,400 flipflops
  • [04:22:57] <ssi> yea you should be able to do an M1 in it
  • [04:23:09] <ssi> something I found estimates 2600 LEs, where an LE is a LUT and an FF
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  • [04:23:24] <ssi> looks like the LX9 has ~5k LUTs and 11,440 ffs
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  • [04:23:46] <emeb_mac> 90kb distrib RAM, 576kb Block RAM, 16 DSP48 slices
  • [04:24:20] <ssi> I've never screwed with DSP in fpga
  • [04:24:25] <ssi> or really dsp anywhere hehe
  • [04:24:37] <ssi> I have an old stratix I dev board that someone loaned me that's got a ton of DSP stuff
  • [04:25:17] <emeb_mac> dsp48 slices are pretty handy.
  • [04:25:33] <emeb_mac> great for making MACs - serial FIRs, IIRs, etc.
  • [04:26:16] <ssi> ok you just said a bunch of letters :D
  • [04:26:40] <emeb_mac> :)
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  • [04:27:11] <mrpackethead> Josh told me, we'd used about 65% of the spartan 3A for our project
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  • [04:31:10] <emeb_mac> not bad
  • [04:31:31] <mrpackethead> i know we have to get the SPI stuf workign
  • [04:31:33] <emeb_mac> usually you don't start to worry until it gets > 75%
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  • [04:32:16] <ssi> I had spi working on one of my projects with the bcc
  • [04:34:45] <emeb_mac> bcc test design on the web page has a spi slave port design in verilog
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  • [04:57:01] <av500> mrpackethead: my rework station was >$2k :)
  • [04:57:28] <mrpackethead> i have a great one at work
  • [04:57:34] <mrpackethead> i just wanted a lower cost one for home
  • [04:57:53] <av500> ic
  • [05:00:16] <ssi> I have a cheapy aoyue air station that I think I got from sparkfun
  • [05:00:27] <ssi> needs more consonants in the name, but it works :P
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  • [05:10:10] <av500> consonants are heavily taxes
  • [05:10:14] <av500> taxed
  • [05:10:22] <ssi> :D
  • [05:12:12] <emeb_mac> poland must be raking in the revenue
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  • [05:13:55] <av500> well, if you have a garden on an island in the adria, you might have a vrt on krk :)
  • [05:14:38] <av500> who needs vocals
  • [05:14:52] <ssi> rock bands
  • [05:15:19] <av500> sorry, I cannot hear you over the noise
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  • [05:24:56] <mrpackethead> nosie..
  • [05:29:55] <ssi> got yer nosie
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  • [05:41:30] <mrpackethead> yhanks
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  • [05:42:00] <mrpackethead> why do my customers keep asking for increasingly complicated things
  • [05:44:15] <mranostay> blech github changed thier interface a bit
  • [05:45:09] <dm8tbr> mranostay: probably because you keep finding solutions for increasingly complicated things ;)
  • [05:45:22] <dm8tbr> err mrpackethead ^^^
  • [05:46:20] <mranostay> dm8tbr: i just create complicated things for no reason :P
  • [05:47:03] <dm8tbr> aaand you're loving it!???
  • [05:48:00] * dm8tbr is being complicated for mobile operator support...
  • [05:48:03] <mranostay> git clones a acpi compiler..
  • [05:48:13] <dm8tbr> they somehow f*** up their call redirect logic
  • [05:48:31] <dm8tbr> not even the direct SSC stuff standardized in 3GPP works
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  • [05:56:26] <chaitha> how to use opencv in bb xm
  • [05:57:38] <mranostay> heh
  • [05:57:51] <chaitha> help me
  • [05:58:19] * KotH JIHADS chaitha
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  • [05:58:32] <chaitha> english?
  • [05:59:21] <KotH> i wage a holy war against you
  • [05:59:26] * mranostay holy wars chaitha
  • [05:59:54] <chaitha> i have only 2 days to submit my report help me abt opencv in bb xm
  • [06:00:36] <mranostay> 11th hour college student surprise :)
  • [06:00:43] <KotH> this is not a "i messed up my project completely and new i'm screwed" student help line
  • [06:01:15] <ka6sox> must NOT look at av500 posts on g+ before bed....
  • [06:01:16] <mrpackethead> another openCV beagle project?
  • [06:01:24] <KotH> ka6sox: what did you see? :)
  • [06:01:36] <KotH> mrpackethead: it seems to be really popular in india
  • [06:01:42] <ka6sox> I can't even describe it...
  • [06:01:58] <mranostay> ka6sox: the skull one?
  • [06:02:05] <ka6sox> cheerios
  • [06:02:14] <mranostay> that greeted me this morning
  • [06:02:40] <ka6sox> I'm obviouly behind the times
  • [06:02:41] <chaitha> what type of ipk files required for open cv and how to install
  • [06:02:53] <ka6sox> sigh
  • [06:03:57] <ka6sox> chaitha, is this for school?
  • [06:04:10] <chaitha> yeah
  • [06:04:46] <mrpackethead> chaitha: who is giving you these assignments
  • [06:04:49] <mrpackethead> and how did you find us
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  • [06:05:45] <chaitha> in my project
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  • [06:06:21] <chaitha> please some one help me about opencv in bb xm
  • [06:06:23] <KotH> mrpackethead: it's often the inidan institute of science
  • [06:06:34] <KotH> chaitha: use the power of google
  • [06:06:43] <KotH> chaitha: you are not the first indian student to have that problem
  • [06:06:51] <KotH> chaitha: i'm sure someone wrote down the exact steps
  • [06:07:13] <chaitha> ok but
  • [06:07:18] <KotH> no buts
  • [06:07:27] <KotH> unless they are female and nicely shaped
  • [06:08:33] <mranostay> KotH: and will travel?
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  • [06:09:03] <ka6sox> chaitha, its is not our JOB to do the research for you and hand you the answers.
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  • [06:09:53] <Rocky> is anyone there?
  • [06:10:26] <KotH> nope, nobody overthere. but there are some people overhere
  • [06:10:29] <ka6sox> for small values of "here"
  • [06:10:42] <KotH> mranostay: not necessarily
  • [06:10:57] <KotH> mranostay: but i wouldnt mind :)
  • [06:11:39] <Rocky> sorry, i made a grammar mistake
  • [06:11:57] <KotH> don't worry. the grammar nazis are asleep
  • [06:12:51] <Rocky> for beaglebone, I don't how to open JTAG
  • [06:12:58] <Rocky> on my mac machine
  • [06:13:13] <Rocky> any advices?
  • [06:13:26] <KotH> you dont need jtag, usually
  • [06:13:29] <KotH> what is your problem?
  • [06:23:34] <Rocky> I want to debug MCU
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  • [06:23:49] <KotH> the kernel or user space programms
  • [06:26:22] <ds2> you do?
  • [06:26:26] <ds2> I prefer it to just work
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  • [06:28:30] <KotH> Rocky: for debugging user space, you dont need jtag
  • [06:28:48] <KotH> Rocky: for debugging kernel stuff, you dont want to use macos unless you know what you are doing
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  • [06:30:55] <Rocky> I want to debug some driver
  • [06:31:03] <Rocky> kernel space
  • [06:31:21] <emeb_mac> just use printk like everyone else.
  • [06:31:23] <KotH> that's a bit more involved
  • [06:31:24] <Rocky> so what about windows? how to open JTAG
  • [06:31:29] <KotH> Rocky: dont
  • [06:31:33] <KotH> Rocky: just dont
  • [06:31:43] <KotH> Rocky: you make your life a lot harder and more painfull
  • [06:31:58] <KotH> Rocky: there are some tutorials on how to debug the kernel with gdb
  • [06:32:02] <KotH> Rocky: follow those
  • [06:32:19] <KotH> and you do want to do it on linux
  • [06:32:21] <KotH> you really do
  • [06:32:31] <emeb_mac> somehow, folks manage to write kernel code on x86 w/o JTAG. Do what they do.
  • [06:32:48] <KotH> they used serial ports
  • [06:33:25] <Rocky> Ok,
  • [06:33:52] <Rocky> I just get some info about JTAG support on "GetStarted" page of beagleboard.org
  • [06:34:17] <Rocky> So I just want to know about how to open JTAG
  • [06:34:29] <Rocky> it seems that it is not necessary
  • [06:35:01] <Rocky> But I want to know how to setup the JTAG debug environment, maybe I will not to debug my code on JTAG
  • [06:36:00] <ka6sox> you shouldn't need it mostly...unless you need to do some bootloader stuff
  • [06:37:07] <Rocky> Ok, skip this question. thanks for your answers!
  • [06:39:22] <ka6sox> np...have fun
  • [06:46:31] <mranostay> wtf is a broken pipe error from bison....
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  • [06:48:42] <ka6sox> mranostay, means you are going to have water all over your floor
  • [06:49:17] <ka6sox> mranostay, whats the spicific error.
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  • [06:54:08] <_Sy_> hi, good morning
  • [06:54:21] <mranostay> http://pastebin.com/wcAWEr4d <-- ka6sox
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  • [06:59:23] <ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww kgdb
  • [06:59:41] <mranostay> ds2: kgdb?
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  • [07:10:23] <KotH> mranostay: looks like bison didnt like that your anchestors killed all bisons
  • [07:10:50] <mranostay> not mind
  • [07:10:55] <mranostay> *mine
  • [07:11:21] <mranostay> they were in either germany, slovakia or france
  • [07:15:55] <vaizki_> hmm one of my BBBs doesn't seem to want to boot from uSD
  • [07:16:13] <vaizki_> I keep the boot button pressed, connect power and the board is completely silent on the serial
  • [07:17:33] <vaizki_> what is really weird is that pressing the reset button after that also has no effect
  • [07:17:58] <vaizki_> but if I unplug the power and reconnect it, it starts immediately showing boot messages
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  • [07:20:06] <vaizki_> any ideas?
  • [07:21:16] <vaizki_> actually.. I do see ONE null (0x00) being output on the serial
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  • [07:30:44] <panto> morning
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  • [07:32:12] <av500> gm panto
  • [07:32:31] <panto> hi av500
  • [07:32:44] <vaizki_> ok I'm stumped.. wth is going on.. :P
  • [07:32:46] <av500> I hate not having the schematics for stuff I built 15ys ago
  • [07:32:52] <KotH> moin panto
  • [07:32:54] <av500> google does not help at all
  • [07:33:00] <KotH> lol
  • [07:33:01] <KotH> poor av500
  • [07:33:09] <panto> first world problems
  • [07:33:13] <KotH> didnt you burn all your data on CDs back then?
  • [07:33:26] <av500> KotH: I might have burned the paper I drew them on
  • [07:33:40] <KotH> well, then it's your own fault
  • [07:33:49] <KotH> never throw anything away! never ever!
  • [07:34:06] <av500> I dont
  • [07:34:16] <av500> I misplaced them
  • [07:34:17] <KotH> you kept the ashes?
  • [07:34:18] <av500> I found some
  • [07:34:23] <av500> but not all
  • [07:34:46] <av500> but then it's fun to reverse engineer my own stuff
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  • [07:39:23] <KotH> let us know how often you facepalmed on the "design" :)
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  • [07:52:10] <av500> KotH: this one is pretty simple
  • [07:52:17] <av500> a dummy load for a tube amp
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  • [08:00:14] <eballetbo> How can I modify the bootargs booting from the eMMC ?
  • [08:03:23] <av500> edit uEnv.txt on the emmc fat partition
  • [08:04:22] <eballetbo> av500: thanks, I see is in /media/BEAGLEBONE/uEnv.txt
  • [08:04:29] <av500> indeed
  • [08:04:32] <eballetbo> not /boot/uEnv.txt
  • [08:04:59] <av500> /boot is not on the fat partition
  • [08:05:19] <eballetbo> right, thanks
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  • [08:06:13] <eballetbo> but is a bit confusing have two uEnv.txt in the filesystem
  • [08:08:47] <av500> is there one in /boot too?
  • [08:08:54] <eballetbo> yes
  • [08:08:55] <av500> if yes, I blame koen
  • [08:10:53] <dm8tbr> or is it a symlink?
  • [08:11:17] <eballetbo> not, are different files
  • [08:11:45] <carslan141> on beagleboard-xm this always confused me as well
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  • [08:24:08] <panto> https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-beagle-track-mainline
  • [08:24:23] <panto> non-official mainline tracking kernel tree
  • [08:24:29] <panto> topic branches, etc
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  • [08:33:59] <cxp> Hello, I have an error executing "$xterm" in my BBB (running the Angstrom). This is described as the below picture: http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3750/zbrb.png. Maybe the window manager metacity was killed. hanks!
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  • [08:40:55] <panto> cxp, looks like ubuntu
  • [08:42:00] <cxp> panto, I run x11vnc server on my BBB
  • [08:42:29] <dm8tbr> still looks like ubuntu
  • [08:42:59] <panto> cxp, doesn't look like a bbb problem, more like a window manager problem
  • [08:43:00] <dm8tbr> ah, no that's just the whole thing
  • [08:43:05] <panto> what do the logs say?
  • [08:44:18] <KotH> cxp: why do you always prepend a $ infront of your commands?
  • [08:45:33] <cxp> just show that is a command line. IT's just my habit
  • [08:46:56] <KotH> it makes them look like variables ^^'
  • [08:49:25] <cxp> panto, metacity was killed when I executed xterm. Then I could not move everything, keyboard was blocked. And everything became to normal & metcity restarted again when I kill the xterm process.
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  • [08:50:20] <panto> cxp, perhaps xterm doesn't play nice wit your x11vnc server
  • [08:50:27] <panto> tried another terminal?
  • [08:51:07] <cxp> KotH, uh
  • [08:52:10] <cxp> panto, my keyboard was blocked!
  • [08:52:48] <cxp> So I killed xterm process through ssh
  • [08:52:56] <panto> well, that's what I said
  • [08:53:15] <panto> something's wrong with your vnc client
  • [08:53:34] <KotH> panto: or metacity doesnt play nice with xterm
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  • [08:55:03] <cxp> panto, I tested through HDMI and nothing change!
  • [08:55:41] <panto> oh well, try to figure out anything from the logs and file a bug
  • [08:56:48] <cxp> But, xterm run without any error when I use ssh forwarding x11 (ssh -X root@192.168.7.2). I suppose that error due to X11.
  • [08:57:01] <av500> hmm, the tcl/tk guy said the same
  • [08:57:11] <av500> metacity died when he wish'ed
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  • [08:57:44] <cxp> av500. It's me
  • [08:57:53] <av500> see, its you
  • [08:57:57] <av500> try another user
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  • [09:03:25] <KotH> cxp: try using another wm, like twm or fvwm
  • [09:06:47] <cxp> KotH, av500: I have been trying
  • [09:06:50] <cxp> Thanks
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  • [09:34:59] <mrpackethead> hi KotH
  • [09:35:05] <mrpackethead> and everyone else
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  • [09:37:22] <av500> gm
  • [09:39:23] <KotH> salut mrpackethead
  • [09:40:03] <panto> hi mrpackethead
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  • [09:45:59] <andry> Hi! Is it possible to get an OS for the BBB with 3.2 kernel? Or how can I downgrade it to 3.2?
  • [09:46:11] <dm8tbr> why would you?
  • [09:46:40] <andry> Because TI's Graphics SDK (so OpenGL) for 3.8 isn't ready.
  • [09:47:00] <panto> sgx has been cleared for use on the bone
  • [09:47:05] <panto> you'll just have to be a bit patient
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  • [09:48:08] <andry_> So there is no OS for the BBB with 3.2?
  • [09:48:51] <panto> the old kernel is always available
  • [09:48:59] <panto> you can always try to port it to the bbb
  • [09:49:06] <panto> or pay someone to do it for you
  • [09:49:28] <panto> that's the beauty of open source
  • [09:49:32] <panto> you got options
  • [09:50:03] <panto> whether those options are something you're willing to put the effort or the money depends on you
  • [09:50:56] <KotH> panto: what does "sgx has been cleared for use on the bone" mean?
  • [09:51:06] <philenotfound> legal stuff
  • [09:51:15] <panto> means that the lawyery stuff have been done
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  • [09:51:38] <panto> so it will come
  • [09:54:20] <andry_> Well thanks... So I just have to wait
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  • [10:10:05] <Rocky> Hello
  • [10:10:08] <Rocky> is anybody here
  • [10:10:25] <panto> yes
  • [10:11:02] <Rocky> I have a question about beaglebone
  • [10:11:05] <av500> ask
  • [10:11:12] <av500> dont ask to ask
  • [10:13:09] <Rocky> i boot my os(Angstrom Distribution) from sdcard, login in it, and write some file to its filesystem, after that, I reboot my board, and I found that the file still in my board's filesystem, why?
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  • [10:14:10] <ogra_> what would you expect ?
  • [10:14:15] <cxp> Rocky, what is the name of the modified file?
  • [10:14:54] * ogra_ would actually expect files he created to still be there after a reboot
  • [10:15:02] * KotH would too
  • [10:15:10] * KotH would be quite pissed if his files were gone after a reboot
  • [10:15:15] <ogra_> yeah
  • [10:15:16] <Rocky> No, i expect the file I created should disappear when board is restarted
  • [10:15:27] <KotH> Rocky: you write the file to your sd card
  • [10:15:40] <KotH> Rocky: when you reboot, the sdcard is still there with all its data
  • [10:15:47] <panto> Rocky, mount -t tmpfs none /mnt/tmp
  • [10:15:57] <KotH> Rocky: if you want to have temporary data, place it somewhere where temporary data belongs to
  • [10:15:59] <panto> anything you write to /mnt/tmp will be gone on reboot
  • [10:17:08] <Rocky> I want to know the root reason
  • [10:17:37] <Rocky> the filesystem resides in my sdcard?
  • [10:18:03] <KotH> it all started with some ape figuring out that fire was not something scary and dangerous, but could be used to heat and cook as well
  • [10:18:28] <panto> no, no, no, it all started after we came down from the trees
  • [10:18:31] <panto> that was a bad move
  • [10:19:34] <Rocky> i found the size of my sdcard is 70M, why not 4G?
  • [10:19:52] <KotH> hmm... well, the baboons came down from the trees as well, but didnt do the mistake with the fire
  • [10:20:04] <KotH> Rocky: get yourself a book on unix/linux
  • [10:20:09] <KotH> Rocky: you need it
  • [10:20:58] <Rocky> No, I always use initramfs before, and it never save any files
  • [10:21:26] <panto> well, angstrom doesn't use initramfs, it uses ext4 on mmc
  • [10:21:59] <Rocky> How can I check it on my board
  • [10:22:16] <KotH> 12:20 < KotH> Rocky: get yourself a book on unix/linux
  • [10:22:19] <KotH> 12:20 < KotH> Rocky: you need it
  • [10:22:31] <Rocky> take it easy
  • [10:22:35] <Rocky> brother
  • [10:22:45] <KotH> working on an embedded linux system without understanding of how linux works is a very bad idea
  • [10:22:49] <Rocky> I just want to know some simple thing
  • [10:23:08] <KotH> well, the book tells you how to do these simple things, and more
  • [10:23:12] <Rocky> panto is more patient
  • [10:23:25] <KotH> i know, reading books went out of fashion with the rise of the web, but it's still a recommended thing
  • [10:23:31] <KotH> well, panto is greek, i'm turkish
  • [10:23:37] <KotH> we are like day and night
  • [10:24:04] <KotH> and we often play the good-irc-guy, bad-irc-guy game
  • [10:24:25] <Rocky> Do not discard my topic
  • [10:24:27] <Rocky> thanks
  • [10:24:45] <Rocky> I want to know the layout of my sd card
  • [10:24:59] <Rocky> that is my question
  • [10:25:07] <ogra_> so take a look with a partition management tool
  • [10:25:14] <ogra_> like gparted
  • [10:25:16] <Rocky> fdisk?
  • [10:25:17] <KotH> and my answer is for you to get a book on linux and learn how to do such basic things
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  • [10:26:17] * ogra_ agrees with KotH btw ... learing the bare basics would surely help you quite a bit
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  • [10:29:44] <bradfa> happy friday, channel!
  • [10:30:00] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/18
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  • [10:32:35] <KotH> hey bradfa!
  • [10:32:38] <KotH> moin mru
  • [10:32:43] <bradfa> howdy KotH
  • [10:35:31] * bradfa is gettin' some pru on
  • [10:35:38] <mrpackethead> i just bought 45kg of IC's
  • [10:35:40] <mrpackethead> :-)
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  • [10:35:47] <mrpackethead> what a wonderful way to buy them
  • [10:35:48] <mrpackethead> but the kg
  • [10:36:45] <KotH> lol
  • [10:37:05] <KotH> the only thing i buy by the kg are vegetables, meat and t-shirts
  • [10:37:14] <ynezz> no chocolate?
  • [10:37:20] <KotH> nope
  • [10:37:30] <KotH> chocolate has to be selected
  • [10:37:54] <KotH> you cannot buy it by the kg.. unless you are mranostay ;)
  • [10:39:14] <bradfa> mranostay can't buy by the kg, he's in .us
  • [10:39:20] <bradfa> we use real units here
  • [10:40:26] <koen> since when does the .us have real chocolate?
  • [10:40:48] <bradfa> koen, I don't think we do, but we can't buy anything by the kg
  • [10:41:04] <bradfa> we do buy soda pop by the liter, though, which is odd
  • [10:43:26] <KotH> why does the us still use archaic measures?
  • [10:43:28] <av500> not fl.oz?
  • [10:43:34] <av500> KotH: its easier
  • [10:43:41] <av500> ds2 tried to make me understand why
  • [10:43:44] <av500> I forgot
  • [10:43:54] <av500> it was too difficult to understand
  • [10:44:32] <ogra_> heh
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  • [10:48:32] <Rocky> I can found two partition on my board, one is /dev/mmcblk0p1, /dev/mmcblk0p2, partition 2 is filesystem, I think u-boot.img in mmcblk0p1 should be the bootloader, however, I can't find the kernel image? where is it?
  • [10:50:45] <koen> /boot
  • [10:53:31] <Rocky> got it, uboot will to parse the filesystem in sdcard and load the kernel image to memory and run it , is that right?
  • [10:54:17] <Rocky> after that, kernel will mount that filesystem.
  • [10:55:22] <panto> yes
  • [10:57:44] <Rocky> thanks
  • [10:59:28] <Rocky> I am curious that what is included in ***.img which I burn to my sdcard
  • [10:59:44] <Rocky> only filesystem?
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  • [11:00:43] <panto> a vfat filesystem and a ext4 rootfs
  • [11:00:47] <panto> plus assorted s/w
  • [11:02:32] <Rocky> s/w stand for softare?
  • [11:02:46] <Rocky> software?
  • [11:02:50] <panto> yes
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  • [11:03:35] <Rocky> the contents in vfat filesystem should be the contents in /dev/mmcblk0p1, is that right
  • [11:03:36] <Rocky> ?
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  • [11:04:25] <panto> yes
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  • [11:04:53] <Rocky> I want to check the contents of *.img on my linux pc, I don't know how, any advices?
  • [11:05:05] <panto> why would you want to do that?
  • [11:05:20] <panto> the rootfs is provided as a tarball
  • [11:05:33] <panto> the boot filesystem doesn't contain anything interesting
  • [11:06:12] <ynezz> it's called "quick image kang"
  • [11:09:38] <carslan141> any lens suggestions for mt9p031 (LI-5m03) ?
  • [11:10:06] <mdp> you had me at "kang"
  • [11:10:59] <panto> a wild mdp appears
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  • [11:11:44] <av500> carslan141: glas lens?
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  • [11:12:13] <av500> the see-through type
  • [11:12:26] <jackmitchell> fisheye if you live in portland
  • [11:12:42] <MILO1234> Im gonna paste my program in this chat
  • [11:12:45] <MILO1234> to get some help
  • [11:12:47] <MILO1234> is it okay?
  • [11:12:49] <jackmitchell> nooooo don't do it!
  • [11:12:52] <MILO1234> oh
  • [11:12:55] <av500> pastebin
  • [11:12:56] <jackmitchell> pastebin.com
  • [11:12:57] <av500> .com
  • [11:13:03] <panto> hastebin
  • [11:13:08] <jackmitchell> pastebinmypastebin.com
  • [11:13:21] <av500> pastebinallthethings.com
  • [11:13:30] <carslan141> I mean do you have a specific model.
  • [11:13:32] <MILO1234> paste it there first/
  • [11:13:34] <MILO1234> ?
  • [11:13:39] <av500> yes
  • [11:13:42] <av500> and paste the url here
  • [11:13:44] <mru> wastebin
  • [11:14:00] <carslan141> by the way did you know that pastebin is banned by governement in Turkey?
  • [11:14:21] <Rocky> what is MLO
  • [11:14:25] <MILO1234> http://pastebin.com/R0Qz8Y1Y
  • [11:14:27] <MILO1234> here it is
  • [11:14:52] <MILO1234> Am trying to blink external led on the beaglebone
  • [11:15:01] <MILO1234> but got an error when running it
  • [11:15:13] <jackmitchell> and the error was?
  • [11:15:38] <panto> MLO is the first stage bootloaded
  • [11:15:46] <ogra_> <blink> tag unsupported ...
  • [11:15:53] <Rocky> ok, MLO will load u-boot.img?
  • [11:16:00] <av500> yes
  • [11:16:03] <MILO1234> ok wait2
  • [11:16:09] <MILO1234> whats u-boot.img?
  • [11:16:25] <Rocky> may be stage 2 bootloader
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  • [11:16:29] <MILO1234> i already updated the latest image on the bbb
  • [11:16:47] <jackmitchell> MILO1234: stick to your javascript problem; don't worry about u-boot
  • [11:16:51] <av500> MILO1234: I thought you wanted to blink?
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  • [11:17:04] <av500> we all blink down here
  • [11:17:05] <MILO1234> yes, blinking the led, On and off
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  • [11:17:20] <jackmitchell> MILO1234: what was the error you encountered?
  • [11:17:32] <Rocky> When board is powered up, it will try to fink MLO and load it , is that right?
  • [11:17:40] <av500> yes
  • [11:17:40] <Rocky> fink-->find
  • [11:17:46] <Rocky> is that right?
  • [11:17:47] <av500> yes
  • [11:18:02] <MILO1234> here's the error
  • [11:18:03] <MILO1234> http://pastebin.com/zDV7Hjqn
  • [11:18:07] <Rocky> av500, yes?
  • [11:18:15] <Rocky> you answer me?
  • [11:18:31] <Rocky> or for anyothers?
  • [11:19:14] <jackmitchell> MILO1234: I think you're using setInterval wrong
  • [11:19:44] <MILO1234> where do i need to place the setInterval?
  • [11:19:52] <MILO1234> in the function or outside?
  • [11:20:08] <jackmitchell> MILO1234: setInterval takes two parameters
  • [11:20:14] <jackmitchell> you only gave it one
  • [11:20:36] <MILO1234> hmmm, thats the problem
  • [11:20:44] <jackmitchell> it takes a function name, and a time for the interval that function should be run
  • [11:21:01] <jackmitchell> why do you use setInterval and not sleep(1)
  • [11:21:10] <MILO1234> so it should be like this setInterval(on,1000);
  • [11:21:13] <jackmitchell> or whatever the javascript equivilend of sleep is
  • [11:21:20] <av500> jackmitchell: bonescript never sleeps!
  • [11:21:28] <jackmitchell> well, that will run the function of every 1000ms
  • [11:21:38] <av500> on
  • [11:22:05] <MILO1234> yes because what i aimed is, to make the on and off for about 1sec delay
  • [11:22:11] <jackmitchell> setInterval, runs the function you give it at certain intervals, defined by the second parameter
  • [11:22:14] <MILO1234> *led
  • [11:22:47] <av500> can on be a variable and a function?
  • [11:23:00] <MILO1234> ohh...so i need to put the setInterval outside the function?
  • [11:23:06] <av500> indeed
  • [11:23:08] <MILO1234> like calling the function right
  • [11:23:24] <MILO1234> ok gonna try
  • [11:23:26] <jackmitchell> MILO1234: and you need a toggleLED function or something
  • [11:23:41] <av500> http://beagleboard.org/Support/BoneScript
  • [11:24:28] <av500> http://www.elated.com/articles/javascript-timers-with-settimeout-and-setinterval/
  • [11:24:41] <jackmitchell> MILO1234: http://pastebin.com/DTtPrF28
  • [11:24:44] <jackmitchell> something like that
  • [11:25:02] <av500> can "on" be a variable and a function?
  • [11:25:10] <jackmitchell> except my state is wrong
  • [11:25:32] <MILO1234> hmm, why do u need to declare the state?
  • [11:25:38] <av500> and wtf is b.LOW?
  • [11:25:55] <av500> aside from a thinly veiled attempt of a corny joke
  • [11:26:17] <jackmitchell> I think b.LOW is the a define/const in bonscript
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  • [11:27:33] <MILO1234> okay, so the digital pin that I used is P8_10
  • [11:27:35] <MILO1234> is it okay?
  • [11:27:44] <jackmitchell> no idea
  • [11:28:02] <jackmitchell> we need jkridner here
  • [11:28:20] <MILO1234> hmm, whats the var state for again?
  • [11:28:30] <jackmitchell> it holds the current state of led
  • [11:28:41] <av500> MILO1234: do you have any programming experience?
  • [11:28:41] <jackmitchell> you could read it from the pin if you wanted
  • [11:28:45] <av500> just asking, not judging
  • [11:29:00] <MILO1234> yep i have...c,vb.net
  • [11:29:20] <jackmitchell> ... in that case holding the state of something should be second nature
  • [11:29:43] <jackmitchell> you can't toggle something without knowing it's current state
  • [11:29:43] <av500> MILO1234: the function of "state" is the same in C, VB and bonescript
  • [11:30:27] <MILO1234> well, i havent used it in c and vb to make a led turn on, so never stumbled on the 'state'
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  • [11:31:34] <mru> jackmitchell: that's not always true
  • [11:31:41] <av500> you never had a program with a "state"?
  • [11:31:46] <Orvotz> Hey is it possible to run the bbb without any binary blobs?
  • [11:31:48] <mru> if the thing maintains its own state and has a 'toggle' input...
  • [11:31:57] <av500> Orvotz: yes
  • [11:32:02] <mru> of course
  • [11:32:04] <mru> this is not rpi
  • [11:32:24] <av500> unless you count the ROM code
  • [11:32:46] <MILO1234> so how do i do this...still cant blink the led on and off
  • [11:32:59] <Orvotz> Is the ROM flashable?
  • [11:33:07] <mru> no
  • [11:33:12] <mru> that's what rom means
  • [11:33:17] <mru> read-only
  • [11:33:19] <Orvotz> Cool :)
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  • [11:33:31] <mru> makes the thing unbrickable
  • [11:34:15] <Orvotz> So u-boot sets.up the ram?
  • [11:34:44] <av500> MLO does
  • [11:34:47] <av500> but yes
  • [11:35:02] <mru> mlo is often uboot spl
  • [11:35:09] <mru> so in a sense u-boot does it then
  • [11:35:13] <MILO1234> please take a look http://pastebin.com/fLp48T4S this program succeed in making the LED turn on only
  • [11:35:40] <MILO1234> external led
  • [11:36:15] <emocakes> hehe my new oscilloscope arrived today
  • [11:36:21] <emocakes> not bad for cheap chinese junk
  • [11:36:30] <emocakes> owon ds7102v
  • [11:36:30] <Orvotz> Nice! Will order one!
  • [11:36:42] <MILO1234> how do i edit it, to make it blinking
  • [11:37:19] <emocakes> that if is whack milo
  • [11:37:23] <emocakes> do you know javascript?
  • [11:37:30] <MILO1234> a little bit
  • [11:37:35] <MILO1234> learned it in youtube
  • [11:37:44] <mru> wtf
  • [11:37:59] <emocakes> if (state == b.LOW) { state = b.HIGH; } else { state = b.LOW; }
  • [11:38:07] <KotH> mru: i'm not used to this new generation of "hackers" either ^^'
  • [11:38:16] <mru> state = !b.LOW;
  • [11:38:17] <emocakes> you use the comparison operators instead of the assignment operator MILO1234
  • [11:38:22] <mru> urg
  • [11:38:27] <mru> state = !state;
  • [11:38:38] <mru> if there's any sanity
  • [11:38:46] <emocakes> mru yah ;)
  • [11:38:49] <emocakes> im stuck in PHP mode
  • [11:38:54] <emocakes> i.e: things have to be difficult
  • [11:39:01] <emocakes> lemme turn on my bone
  • [11:40:43] <MILO1234> ahhh
  • [11:40:46] <MILO1234> this is so hard
  • [11:40:59] <KotH> ^^'
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  • [11:41:09] <emocakes> lol really?
  • [11:41:09] <KotH> MILO1234: what is your educational background?
  • [11:41:19] <emocakes> KotH what 'new hackers' you mean?
  • [11:41:38] <KotH> emocakes: the new breed, who learns from youtube and facebook
  • [11:41:38] <MILO1234> Diploma in Electronic and Information Technology
  • [11:41:43] <KotH> o_0
  • [11:41:46] <emocakes> ok
  • [11:41:49] <MILO1234> Currently doing Internship in a company
  • [11:41:56] <KotH> MILO1234: are you serious?
  • [11:41:57] <emocakes> MILO1234 which country?
  • [11:42:03] <MILO1234> Malaysia
  • [11:42:09] <MILO1234> ofcourse im serious
  • [11:42:14] <MILO1234> y?
  • [11:42:58] <KotH> MILO1234: i dont know how it is overthere, but overhere, programming is considered a basic skill for anyone in electrical engineering or computer science
  • [11:43:13] <mru> or any other science for that matter
  • [11:43:25] <KotH> MILO1234: and if you have a diploma in any of those fields, you at least know how to deal with c/c++/java and another language
  • [11:43:41] <bradfa> mru, what about quasi-science?
  • [11:43:49] <mru> bradfa: quasi-programming
  • [11:43:50] <MILO1234> Okay I learned programming while studying, only learned, PLC, C,VB.net,assembly language
  • [11:43:55] <MILO1234> but not javascript
  • [11:43:56] <bradfa> mru, touche!
  • [11:44:10] <KotH> MILO1234: seems like you didnt learn programming at all
  • [11:44:10] <bradfa> javascript doesn't deserve to be learned
  • [11:44:17] <MILO1234> oh
  • [11:44:21] <bradfa> C cannot be proved to have been learned
  • [11:44:26] <KotH> MILO1234: if you'd know c, you should be able to solve that problem yourself
  • [11:44:51] <KotH> MILO1234: and with that many languages, you should get a certain knowledge and understanding how to deal with new languages
  • [11:44:56] <MILO1234> right now im not able to solve it, that why i came here...
  • [11:45:00] <KotH> MILO1234: learning javascript should be a matter of a day or two
  • [11:45:03] <bradfa> how long does the darn emmc flasher take? for goodness sake!
  • [11:45:08] <emocakes> wo in schweiz KotH?
  • [11:45:13] <KotH> bradfa: one cup of good english tea
  • [11:45:15] <panto> bradfa, 1h
  • [11:45:37] <KotH> emocakes: north of chocolate county, in the middle of the big village
  • [11:45:37] <emocakes> KotH diploma is not like european or german diploma
  • [11:45:38] <panto> it's much faster if you do the update manually
  • [11:45:47] <bradfa> panto, omg
  • [11:45:52] <emocakes> I was living in ??berlingen
  • [11:45:54] <panto> i.e. mount the partitions and untar the rootfs
  • [11:45:59] <panto> bradfa, blame physics
  • [11:46:03] <bradfa> k, will keep in mind next time
  • [11:46:08] <bradfa> it's only 2GB
  • [11:46:20] <emocakes> MILO1234 you know asm?
  • [11:46:22] <emocakes> x86 asm?
  • [11:46:25] <panto> stored in a slow mmc, uncompressed, and written
  • [11:46:33] <panto> and then a good 30 minutes for gnome shit
  • [11:46:44] <panto> gnome people are retards, film at 11
  • [11:46:46] <bradfa> panto, ah, gnome shit
  • [11:46:51] <MILO1234> not x86, Rabbit 2000 microcontroller
  • [11:46:52] <bradfa> that explains it
  • [11:47:10] <bradfa> emmc does 6MB/s writes if they're big
  • [11:47:21] <bradfa> which isn't horrible
  • [11:47:39] <panto> talk to koen, he'll like to vent about it
  • [11:47:47] * bradfa runs from koen
  • [11:47:54] <emocakes> so MILO1234 why dont you code in C?
  • [11:47:58] <emocakes> you can run C on the BBB
  • [11:48:04] <panto> why is that required I don't know exactly, bit it's something like thumbnails or what have you
  • [11:48:06] <bradfa> emocakes, but D is much better
  • [11:48:14] <emocakes> I prefer F sharp
  • [11:48:15] <emocakes> :p
  • [11:48:22] <emocakes> or DD
  • [11:48:23] <emocakes> ;)
  • [11:48:23] <MILO1234> I know, but cant seem to setup the eclipse
  • [11:48:24] <emocakes> ;)
  • [11:48:27] <av500> B minor
  • [11:48:32] <bradfa> FORTRAN!
  • [11:48:33] <KotH> emocakes: close to .ch, but no chocoalate! :)
  • [11:48:40] <emocakes> you dont need eclipse MILO, just ssh in and use vim
  • [11:48:58] <emocakes> lots of chocolate koth, the aisles of edeka are full of it
  • [11:49:04] <emocakes> two whole aisles for chocolate
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  • [11:49:13] <emocakes> i was in heaven
  • [11:49:14] <MILO1234> okay whats a vim?
  • [11:49:16] <KotH> emocakes: yeah.. the cheap german stuff ;)
  • [11:49:21] <emocakes> :(
  • [11:49:26] <av500> mru: quote it!
  • [11:49:32] <bradfa> vim is the proper way to implement emacs
  • [11:49:37] <emocakes> ^^
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  • [11:49:55] <av500> vim is when there is no joe
  • [11:50:21] <bradfa> what about ed?
  • [11:50:28] <bradfa> he's a nice guy
  • [11:50:35] <av500> ed's dead baby, ed's dead
  • [11:51:33] <MILO1234> thx to all for your time, gonna solve it by myself, sorry for the noob questions
  • [11:51:40] <av500> np
  • [11:51:49] <av500> but you might want to revise your coding skills
  • [11:51:52] <av500> google a bit
  • [11:51:56] <av500> learn a bit more
  • [11:52:05] <dm8tbr> av500: I thought Zed's dead?
  • [11:52:08] <bradfa> buy k&r
  • [11:52:13] <bradfa> read it
  • [11:52:22] <av500> bradfa: read it too?
  • [11:52:23] <bradfa> then buy tlpi and read it
  • [11:52:27] <av500> damn, all these years....
  • [11:52:28] <dm8tbr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Yp2L6c2KM
  • [11:52:35] <bradfa> maybe you can kill a man with tlpi
  • [11:52:39] <bradfa> big enough
  • [11:53:06] <mru> it's possible to kill a man with a single sheet of paper
  • [11:53:12] <mru> just takes a little more creativity
  • [11:53:22] <mru> no, I won't tell you how I know this
  • [11:53:32] <av500> just take a very large sheet
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  • [11:54:08] <bradfa> first step is to fold it 8 times
  • [11:54:20] <mru> good luck with that
  • [11:55:08] <av500> http://pomonahistorical.org/12times.htm
  • [11:55:10] <av500> 12 times!
  • [11:55:34] <mru> lies
  • [11:55:41] <mru> any fool knows one can only fold a paper 7 times
  • [11:55:59] <mru> that photo shows the paper curved, not folded
  • [11:56:34] <av500> define folded
  • [11:57:52] <mru> by that definition, this bog roll here is "folded" dozens of times
  • [11:58:39] <av500> just make the paper sheet larger
  • [11:58:49] <mru> doesn't work that way
  • [11:59:14] <av500> tell that to the japanese katana maker
  • [11:59:25] <mru> those are made of paper now?
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  • [12:00:43] <av500> mru: yeah, paper is enogh to kill somebody :)
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  • [12:03:56] <jackmitchell> av500: mru: I know, not always true but for the purpose of exercise...
  • [12:04:23] <ynezz> facepalm, ISO/IEC 18000-63:2013 for 190 EUR, heh
  • [12:04:41] <mru> what standard is that?
  • [12:04:53] <ynezz> boring of course
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  • [12:04:59] <mru> must be something "important" with such a nice, round number
  • [12:05:10] <ynezz> Radio frequency identification for item management -- Part 63: Parameters for air interface communications at 860 MHz to 960 MHz Type C
  • [12:05:45] <mru> wtf, I expected something more hypable
  • [12:05:56] <mru> like 9000 and 14000
  • [12:05:57] <ynezz> it's MegaHertz!
  • [12:06:09] <av500> ynezz: -6 you mean?
  • [12:06:16] <av500> there is a pdf that google finds
  • [12:06:25] <av500> 144 pages
  • [12:06:28] <wmat> somebody buy me hackaday.com, please
  • [12:06:37] <wmat> it would seem it's for sale
  • [12:06:39] <av500> was?
  • [12:06:44] <ynezz> av500: yes, but it's the "old" one, not for the C type
  • [12:06:52] <ynezz> just A/B, I've found it also :)
  • [12:07:00] <ynezz> from 2004
  • [12:07:08] <KotH> mru: 18000 are the rfid standards
  • [12:07:18] <KotH> mru: that's plenty hypable
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  • [12:07:32] <mru> yes, but it's still meaningful
  • [12:07:42] <KotH> yeah, that's unfortunate
  • [12:07:43] <mru> unlike most of the x000 ones
  • [12:07:48] <KotH> iso failed there
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  • [12:08:19] <mru> actual technical stuff usually gets the next available number in sequence
  • [12:08:24] <panto> iso generally fails
  • [12:08:36] <panto> it's a miracle anything workable comes out
  • [12:08:36] <mru> like 13818
  • [12:08:41] <mru> or 14496
  • [12:08:56] <KotH> mru: but rest assured, all the rfid standards contradict themselves and make it impossible to have a standard compliant implementation
  • [12:09:06] <mru> like 14496 then
  • [12:09:26] <KotH> worse
  • [12:09:28] <KotH> much worse
  • [12:09:40] <mru> worse even than the audio parts?
  • [12:09:44] <KotH> 14496 is easy to read, small and understandable
  • [12:09:47] <KotH> yes
  • [12:09:55] <mru> that's impressive
  • [12:10:44] <KotH> i thought you'd like that :)
  • [12:13:16] <ynezz> hm, universities should usually have this standards available in the library, right?
  • [12:14:12] <KotH> some of them
  • [12:14:16] <KotH> not all
  • [12:14:30] <KotH> and only if one of the labs needed it
  • [12:14:36] <ynezz> oh, poor students :)
  • [12:14:49] <KotH> yeah
  • [12:15:20] <ynezz> they should move ISO to .bg, should be cheaper :p
  • [12:16:21] <KotH> their mindset is similar as welll
  • [12:18:26] <av500> I doubt my uni buys ISO standard just because
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  • [12:22:49] <jmoyerman> Morning everybody
  • [12:23:30] <KotH> greetings stranger! what news of the webz?
  • [12:23:45] <av500> the webz are inter!
  • [12:24:24] * jmoyerman just missed a reference...
  • [12:24:58] <KotH> which tells us, that you are not geeky enough :)
  • [12:25:13] <jmoyerman> Or that the dump trucks are not driving around fast enough.
  • [12:25:32] <KotH> well, at least they cannot take the sky away from you
  • [12:27:03] * jmoyerman needs to spend more time under the rock...
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  • [12:31:44] <jmoyerman> What's everybody working on good today?
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  • [12:33:44] <georgem> I'm running upgrade tests. Trying to workout kinks with opkg based in field upgrades.
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  • [12:34:08] <jmoyerman> Sounds like fun.
  • [12:34:10] <georgem> Not on beagle hardware though
  • [12:34:47] <jmoyerman> just working on condensing my BCC FPGA on 3.8 Debian notes
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  • [12:35:28] <av500> I work on keeping the entropy high
  • [12:35:41] <av500> also I try to further the narrative
  • [12:36:25] * mru is working on some new, improved curses
  • [12:36:28] <georgem> av500: heh, I got the hardware rng working on the am335x in 3.8 if you need more entropy in your /dev/random :P
  • [12:36:36] <mru> I'm pretty sure I'll be needing them soon
  • [12:36:45] <georgem> +1
  • [12:36:51] <XorA> av500: #beagle -> entropy pool daemon?
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  • [12:38:00] <das> a first year student in computer science in front of vim is a good entropy generator too
  • [12:38:09] <jmoyerman> LOLOL
  • [12:38:41] <XorA> das: vim is positively user friendly compared to ex :-D
  • [12:38:51] <georgem> too predictable here. mru with mouth off about systemd. someone will make references to mranostay drinking and someone will join the channel and ask a question you can find on google.
  • [12:39:02] <georgem> will*
  • [12:39:22] <mru> I only blame systemd when it deserves it
  • [12:39:26] <mru> which happens to be all the time
  • [12:39:30] <georgem> lol
  • [12:39:46] <mru> just like mranostay's drinking
  • [12:39:50] <georgem> :)
  • [12:40:17] <jmoyerman> gah... I should stop trying to work while I'm sitting in class...
  • [12:40:24] <das> XorA: oh, I didn't know that piece of cryptic software
  • [12:40:57] <av500> dont you all edit files with sed?
  • [12:41:01] <av500> or is that only me?
  • [12:41:17] <av500> object files mostly
  • [12:41:24] <jmoyerman> I use butterflies...
  • [12:41:28] <XorA> das: I think my unis sysadmins were evil, default editor was ex
  • [12:41:43] <mru> butterflies are fine, but the latency can be a little hight
  • [12:41:51] <mru> a magentised needle is often quicker
  • [12:41:57] <mru> *magnetised
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  • [12:42:17] <jackmitchell> hmmm, if you don't pass u-boot a uEnv.txt where does the uEnv get set, at compile time?
  • [12:42:34] <jmoyerman> Or I just call chuck norris and the hard disk gets so scared that the bits change automatically.
  • [12:42:36] <mru> there are built-in defaults
  • [12:42:51] <jackmitchell> and I assume they're board specific?
  • [12:43:02] <jackmitchell> depending on the compiled config
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  • [12:43:30] <georgem> jackmitchell: more specific to however u-boot is built
  • [12:43:48] <mru> some vars depend on the board
  • [12:44:07] <emocakes> hmm
  • [12:44:16] <av500> jackmitchell: yes
  • [12:44:19] <av500> there are board specific
  • [12:44:22] <mdp> georgem, do you know where I can buy a BBB?
  • [12:44:26] <av500> hardcoded in some am335x header file
  • [12:44:55] <jackmitchell> av500: ah yes, I've found them; I'm trying to deconstruct wtf Altera has done with u-boot ;)
  • [12:45:05] <av500> nothing good
  • [12:45:08] <KotH> mutilated
  • [12:45:35] <jackmitchell> they seem to be doing ok to be fair
  • [12:45:35] <av500> u-boot needs a Linus
  • [12:45:44] <jackmitchell> I can almost boot mainline-next
  • [12:45:51] <emocakes> uboot is doing fine
  • [12:45:52] <jackmitchell> but I get stuck at the dreaded waiting for mmc
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  • [12:46:13] <jackmitchell> it seems there are seriously problems with mmc across the board in linux
  • [12:46:14] <jmoyerman> av500: We need another person to write articles about when they curse about manufacturers...
  • [12:46:24] <georgem> mdp: yeah, thats a pretty common question too around here :). I wonder how stock is holding up at the distributors, haven't checked recently.
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  • [12:46:44] <av500> georgem: there is no stock
  • [12:46:50] <av500> stock means nobody buys them
  • [12:47:31] <jackmitchell> loads of BBB in stock at Farnell
  • [12:47:45] <av500> noboby buys at farnell :)
  • [12:47:53] <das> so paying one with a credit card automatically releases a fab order ?
  • [12:47:59] <mdp> will there be a new version with BiG.LiTtLe and 37 PWMs?
  • [12:48:01] <KotH> mdp: the better question would be, where to apply for a BBB for free :)
  • [12:48:19] <georgem> Not sure how but a guy here at work ordered one from Newark and got it in like a week.
  • [12:48:27] <Crofton|work> follow koen around and wait for one to fall out of his pocket
  • [12:48:51] <georgem> Crofton|work: lol, I've pretty much seen that happen
  • [12:48:59] <KotH> das: yes, a little chinese girl gets dragged out of the dark and humid basemend of a big factory. and gets handed a stone slate and a chisel
  • [12:49:10] <georgem> Crofton|work: at ELC
  • [12:49:24] <das> chinese girls can do 45nm now ?
  • [12:49:37] <KotH> they have really tiny hands...
  • [12:49:44] <das> they're getting really good at this
  • [12:49:45] <KotH> and if they fail, the whip awayts them
  • [12:50:03] <mdp> who all is planning on being at ELCE?
  • [12:50:09] <KotH> o/
  • [12:50:09] <av500> me maybe
  • [12:50:11] * mru waves
  • [12:50:13] * emocakes looks at his persian rug and smiles
  • [12:50:17] <mdp> mru, you are going?
  • [12:50:22] <emocakes> good old 22mm
  • [12:50:26] <mru> mdp: I plan to
  • [12:50:29] <KotH> mdp: ka6sox has ordered chocolate... have to be there to deliver it
  • [12:50:31] <mru> need to get a submission in...
  • [12:50:32] <emocakes> kids have come a long way
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  • [12:50:48] <mdp> mru, ok, I was looking at the issue of flying across the puddle then back for Connect
  • [12:50:51] <mdp> blech
  • [12:51:10] * mru is going there too
  • [12:51:14] <mdp> figured
  • [12:51:16] <georgem> I'd like to make it to ELCE but not sure I'll be able to get my employer to cough up the funds. They'll likely rather just send me to ELC here in the states next year
  • [12:51:19] <mru> only a short hop
  • [12:51:52] <mdp> It appears I need to submit something to get travel funding
  • [12:52:09] <mru> then submit something
  • [12:52:18] <mdp> KotH, mmm
  • [12:52:36] <mdp> mru, I need to google for ideas..I have none ;)
  • [12:52:37] <KotH> mdp: if you want choclate, you have to bring your wife too
  • [12:52:44] <KotH> mdp: like ka6sox :)
  • [12:53:09] <av500> mdp: 6052?
  • [12:53:11] <av500> 6502
  • [12:53:34] <mdp> I think I already did that one IIRC
  • [12:53:37] <mdp> memory is bad
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  • [12:54:04] <av500> do a z80 one
  • [12:54:13] <av500> thats more enterprisey
  • [12:54:27] <mdp> heh
  • [12:55:33] <mdp> really need to just boot linux on the uARM emulator running on the 6502
  • [12:55:37] <mdp> everybody wants that
  • [12:55:50] <mru> I figured the presentation I did in SF has a reasonable chance of being accepted for a repeat over here
  • [12:56:03] <av500> past elce schedules agree
  • [12:56:06] <av500> -e
  • [12:56:16] <SpeedEvil> I mentioned in another channel the idea of putting an arduino emulator in a PRU.
  • [12:56:33] <av500> arduino is an API, no?
  • [12:56:45] <av500> dont we do that for gsoc?
  • [12:56:47] <jmoyerman> That'd be interesting
  • [12:57:03] <SpeedEvil> It's several things - a software stack to compile and run code on specific AVR microcontrollers.
  • [12:57:06] <av500> hmm, maybe I should submit "you and me and bitbang"
  • [12:57:12] <SpeedEvil> And some hardware 'standards'.
  • [12:57:37] <SpeedEvil> A fully code compatible AVR emulator would be amusing.
  • [12:57:48] <mdp> av500, I will submit, "you and me and SPIes"
  • [12:57:50] <mdp> prism edition
  • [12:57:59] <av500> mdp: QSPIes?
  • [12:58:05] <dm8tbr> av500: how I stopped worrying and learned to love the bitbang?
  • [12:58:15] <av500> mdp: the SPI that loved me not
  • [12:58:39] <SpeedEvil> On edgeconnectors. Gold Fingers.
  • [12:58:40] <av500> "I SPI with my little rpi"
  • [12:59:16] <mru> along came a SPIder
  • [12:59:34] <dm8tbr> av500: I'd be seriously disappointed if you don't have slim pickens in one of your slides riding the bomb
  • [13:00:13] <mdp> av500, ahh, and I was silently thinking of that one too
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  • [13:00:24] <mdp> av500, hrm, tbh, it's not a bad one
  • [13:00:44] <georgem> I'd like to do a presentation on why systemd doesn't suck as much as you think. I'd need a tomato shield or something to protect me from mru though
  • [13:01:08] <av500> a shield made of tomatoes?
  • [13:01:12] <av500> little use
  • [13:01:16] <mru> georgem: no, what you need for that is a reality shield
  • [13:01:35] <dm8tbr> I think apple has the patent on that and is not licensing it
  • [13:01:56] <mdp> georgem, I did one once on implementing a binary-only userspace gpu driver for a customer...the heckling from hch was epic.
  • [13:03:05] <av500> whois hch?
  • [13:03:18] <jmoyerman> Anybody have good reccomendations for psu's for a few beagles (AC 110V to power maybe 4 or 5 beaglebones, doesn't have to be fancy)
  • [13:03:31] <av500> 5V/several A
  • [13:03:43] <av500> there are legion
  • [13:03:55] <georgem> mru: you think all things systemd are bad? even things like private /tmp
  • [13:03:57] <dm8tbr> for there are many
  • [13:03:58] <mdp> av500, christoph hellwig
  • [13:04:14] <jackmitchell> I use GS18A05-P1J
  • [13:04:23] <av500> mdp: said presentation online?
  • [13:04:31] <mdp> hrm
  • [13:04:35] <mdp> should be archives..sec
  • [13:04:40] <av500> whois hrm?
  • [13:04:49] <mdp> heh
  • [13:05:05] <av500> http://www.ebay.com/bhp/5v-10a-power-supply
  • [13:05:18] <av500> cheep, cheep
  • [13:05:24] <mdp> av500, haha, found the old press release :) http://www.embeddedalley.com/news/2007/09_24_07.html
  • [13:05:34] <jmoyerman> av500: cheap != good
  • [13:05:42] <jmoyerman> jackmitchell: How many you have that powering?
  • [13:05:47] <Rickta59> just get a pc ps jmoyerman
  • [13:06:01] <jackmitchell> jmoyerman: just the one; it's got a barrel jack
  • [13:06:20] <av500> Jack Barrel from 24V
  • [13:06:24] <jackmitchell> jmoyerman: if you want to power multiple from one, you either need a splitter or power straight over VDD I would imagine
  • [13:06:43] <av500> one can buy barrel connectors and solder cables to them
  • [13:06:48] <mdp> av500, http://goo.gl/0TZQv
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  • [13:07:05] <jmoyerman> Yeah. I was trying to avoid taking up an entire power strip with wallwarts
  • [13:07:12] <jackmitchell> I would just ditch the barrel idea and go straight in on the headers with a high amp supply
  • [13:07:27] <av500> maybe the headers are for capes
  • [13:07:31] <av500> barrel is fine
  • [13:07:34] <av500> just solder a cable
  • [13:07:45] <av500> jmoyerman: as said, there are plenty to be had
  • [13:07:49] <av500> in all forms
  • [13:07:57] <av500> open frame, closed frame, like a laptop psu
  • [13:07:59] <mdp> av500, it was about the time that UIO was getting better and I wasn't yet using it..but we did the same approach people do now on UIO
  • [13:08:01] <av500> 19"
  • [13:08:09] <jmoyerman> Just wondering if there were any specific reccomendations... Probably going to go for a meanwell or something similra
  • [13:08:35] <Rickta59> 5*2 10 amps on the 5v rail
  • [13:08:48] <av500> http://www.ebay.com/bhp/5v-10a-power-supply
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  • [13:10:50] <av500> or put 22 BBBs in series and run it directly from 110V
  • [13:11:27] <jmoyerman> .... peak voltage is 175V :P
  • [13:13:11] <av500> get some more then
  • [13:14:03] <dm8tbr> don't forget the diodes ;)
  • [13:14:21] <av500> I thought the BBBs have them?
  • [13:14:32] <dm8tbr> ah, right
  • [13:14:40] <mdp> panto, will you show PRU remoteproc at elc-e perhaps?
  • [13:14:48] <panto> yes, I'm planning to
  • [13:14:52] * dm8tbr wonders how long that contraption would survive on 110V AC
  • [13:15:00] <panto> I want something flashier though :)
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  • [13:15:09] <dm8tbr> attach a xenon tube?
  • [13:15:21] <panto> I also think about a BoF about switching from board files to DT
  • [13:15:27] <dm8tbr> certainly flashier than a blinking led!
  • [13:15:33] <panto> dm8tbr, :)
  • [13:15:41] <av500> dm8tbr: hmm, no diode
  • [13:15:59] <av500> why does the DC-in go to a pin on the PMIC called "AC"?
  • [13:16:00] <panto> how about pwms/uarts only limited by number of pins
  • [13:16:01] <dm8tbr> av500: they accidentally the diode, this bad?
  • [13:16:04] <panto> (and processing overhead)
  • [13:16:36] <av500> panto: and a presentation with 64 VT100s?
  • [13:16:38] <panto> or even a PRU pcode
  • [13:16:43] <panto> av500, :)
  • [13:16:50] <dm8tbr> heh, that could be fun
  • [13:16:55] <dm8tbr> a VT100-wall
  • [13:17:05] <panto> VT100 donations accepted
  • [13:17:41] <av500> panto: do I have to take it back as well?
  • [13:17:41] <mdp> panto, my method of switching from board files to DT is to just change SoCs where there's no legacy board files :P
  • [13:17:47] <panto> anyway, let's coordinate on the submissions so we don't step on each other toes
  • [13:17:56] <mdp> panto, I can do a lightning talk on that approach
  • [13:18:05] <panto> :)
  • [13:18:05] <av500> hmm, ok, I will offer a fex BOF
  • [13:18:10] <mdp> panto, with #exactsteps
  • [13:18:17] <mdp> av500, +1
  • [13:18:18] <panto> step 1. ditch old
  • [13:18:23] <panto> step 2. in with the new
  • [13:18:25] <panto> step 3. profit
  • [13:18:56] <mdp> what if you work for a non-profit? you can't have step 3 !!!
  • [13:19:03] <panto> anyway, mdp, I expect you to read my patches :)
  • [13:19:08] <mdp> ok, ok
  • [13:19:18] <panto> see if something's odd there
  • [13:19:25] <jmoyerman> alright folks. Gotta jet.
  • [13:19:37] <mdp> while I'm drawing pretty git branching diagrams, not sure I can tear myself away to read code ;)
  • [13:19:53] <KotH> panto: is there any such submission coordination authority for #beagle?
  • [13:19:53] <panto> I'm thinking of creating some kind of slave cpu subsystem
  • [13:20:24] <panto> we call it... the trilateral commission
  • [13:20:41] <KotH> and a certain greek is chairing this commision?
  • [13:20:49] <panto> that is a secret
  • [13:21:09] <panto> it is unfortunate you found out
  • [13:21:14] <av500> KotH: if its a EU project, its always a greek chairing
  • [13:21:23] <panto> av500, you're joking right?
  • [13:21:37] <panto> only if it's on leaning submarines
  • [13:21:39] <av500> and "chairing" is his work description
  • [13:21:41] <georgem> so it blow its budget and get bailed out by the Germans?
  • [13:21:53] <av500> panto: we had that at uni
  • [13:21:58] <av500> part of an eu project
  • [13:22:00] <mdp> KotH, that sounds very organized
  • [13:22:06] <av500> all the work was done in the north
  • [13:22:12] <av500> the chair was in the south
  • [13:22:19] <dm8tbr> av500: I thought 'chairing' was what happened to the first row of attendees at a MS conference
  • [13:22:25] <av500> the money went there too
  • [13:22:36] <KotH> mdp: organizational entities are always organized... sometimes even disorganized
  • [13:22:43] * mdp boggles
  • [13:22:46] <av500> another eu project would not be funded, unless they found a "southern" uni to chair ut
  • [13:22:49] <panto> well, the money was ephemeral, the knowledge was permanent
  • [13:23:01] <panto> which is how things turned out the way they are
  • [13:23:06] <av500> panto: dont worry, the knowledge never touched greece :)
  • [13:23:15] <panto> that's what I'm saying
  • [13:23:30] <KotH> av500: well.. eu law demands that project participants are in at least 3 eu countries and have a certain distribution
  • [13:23:38] <av500> yes
  • [13:23:51] <panto> so in hindsight, you got a nice subsidy, and the southern idiots got some money that they spend on the stuff you've made
  • [13:24:02] <av500> yes
  • [13:24:21] <panto> so... who's got the better part of the deal?
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  • [13:24:36] <av500> I dont think we got any money
  • [13:24:44] <av500> I think it went all to buy chairs
  • [13:24:56] <panto> you're missing the point :)
  • [13:25:20] <KotH> the chair missed him
  • [13:25:26] <panto> cause he ducked
  • [13:25:38] <panto> although old his reflexes are still sharp
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  • [13:44:10] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: is it possible to substitute the 0603 100nF X7R caps in the BOM with 0805 Y5V? or they won't fit / won't filter well enough?
  • [13:44:22] <kfoltman> err substitute 0805 Y5V for 0603 X7R
  • [13:44:49] <av500> only use Sprague Orange Drops
  • [13:46:30] <kfoltman> av500: for Vcc decoupling? (-:
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  • [13:48:58] <av500> kfoltman: it damn sounds better
  • [13:49:34] <kfoltman> av500: only if you power the BCC with full tube power supply, it gives the FPGA chip a nice orange glow :P
  • [13:49:57] <av500> I can do that
  • [13:49:59] <av500> send it over
  • [13:50:45] <ssi> kfoltman: I think you'll have a hard time making them fit
  • [13:51:21] <ssi> and they certainly won't sound as good
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  • [13:52:09] <kfoltman> OTOH, I think 0603 will make a great sound of deep fried capacitors when soldered by me :/
  • [13:52:20] <ssi> they're not that bad :P
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  • [13:52:44] <ssi> if you anticipate trouble with the 603s on the top, what on earth are you gonna do about all the 402s on the bottom?
  • [13:53:13] <av500> kfoltman: http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Bastelschule/NGU/NGU.htm
  • [13:53:18] <av500> I can use that to power your FPGA
  • [13:53:29] <kfoltman> I've tried, just for shits and giggles, to take some old useless PCI USB board and unsolder a few components using my iron and no hot air or anything fancy... epic fail so far
  • [13:53:48] <ssi> removing SMDs is a bit harder than placing them
  • [13:53:56] <av500> kfoltman: put the PCI card on the stove
  • [13:54:02] <av500> I did that here to get some parts
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  • [13:54:24] <kfoltman> ssi: I can hardly see them without a magnifier :S
  • [13:54:52] <ssi> get a decent pair of esd safe tweezers
  • [13:55:03] <ssi> and a good soldering iron
  • [13:55:15] <ssi> wes51 with a 1/32" tip works great
  • [13:55:32] <kfoltman> av500: like, the top of the cooker? ok, that doesn't sound too bad (from cooking perspective at least)
  • [13:55:41] <av500> kfoltman: yes
  • [13:55:47] <kfoltman> av500: I'll try it, thanks!
  • [13:55:48] <av500> whatever you call that
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  • [13:56:25] <av500> though I did it with a mainboard
  • [13:56:29] <av500> few bottom components
  • [13:56:30] <kfoltman> av500: won't that fry the plastic though?
  • [13:56:31] <av500> ymmv
  • [13:56:43] <kfoltman> I have nothing to lose anyway, at least on that card
  • [13:56:51] <av500> is it my kitchen or yours?
  • [13:57:23] <kfoltman> I can't try yours AFAIK ;)
  • [13:57:44] <ssi> try harder
  • [13:58:01] <kfoltman> av500: well, if the components fall off and end up inside it, it might be fairly bad, but if I put it on some metal thingy, I can at most fry the components
  • [13:58:08] <KotH> kfoltman: why the heck have you 0805 100n Y5V and no X7R's ?
  • [13:58:09] <ynezz> use this https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-MZHpO2sZsgM/UctEydloHTI/AAAAAAAAC98/CBu7GIVXmAA/w1039-h779-no/IMG_20130626_170835.jpg
  • [13:58:22] <ynezz> works for desoldering also :)
  • [13:58:31] <ssi> but the label says...!
  • [13:58:40] <kfoltman> ynezz: also for home reflow work, eh?
  • [13:58:41] <av500> ynezz: for desoldering turn it upside down
  • [13:58:56] <ynezz> kfoltman: sure, why not
  • [13:59:12] <ynezz> kfoltman: https://plus.google.com/u/0/111387094029238541867/posts/ZvYuDe2RUaG
  • [14:00:05] <kfoltman> ynezz: what's that laser thing?
  • [14:00:27] <ynezz> well, this beast is harder to regulate :)
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  • [14:01:04] <ynezz> it's a temp
  • [14:01:14] <kfoltman> oh, thermometer
  • [14:01:23] <av500> ynezz: do you fry it before or after?
  • [14:01:54] <ynezz> frying is so 80's, it's not healthy anymore
  • [14:02:00] <KotH> what kind of oil do you use?
  • [14:02:11] <ynezz> Lidl Classic
  • [14:02:18] <av500> +1
  • [14:02:19] * dm8tbr wonders if that would work on an induction stove or if the field goes too much through the pan and would fry the magic smoke out of the parts
  • [14:03:22] <KotH> we bought one of teh elector reflow ovens once
  • [14:03:26] <SpeedEvil> The pan shorts out the field in the first few microns.
  • [14:03:28] <KotH> works great!
  • [14:03:48] <KotH> SpeedEvil: what frequency are induction stoves working at?
  • [14:03:49] <SpeedEvil> For aluminium - 20 microns or so. For steel, .3mm or so.
  • [14:03:54] <SpeedEvil> KotH: 60khz
  • [14:04:02] <KotH> jo, denn!
  • [14:04:16] <av500> omg, thats the strange sound I hear
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  • [14:04:23] <av500> when my wife is cooking
  • [14:04:37] <kfoltman> av500: are you a bat?
  • [14:04:37] <av500> totally messes up my hifi
  • [14:04:49] <KotH> av500: funny as it is, i know someone who can hear wifi access points
  • [14:05:12] <kfoltman> KotH: that's a second carrier they use to send stuff via long waves to NSA ;)
  • [14:05:17] <ynezz> yep, makes me wonder how they passed the certifications :p
  • [14:05:31] <mru> KotH: all of them or just some?
  • [14:05:51] <KotH> mru: aperantly all of them, if he is near enough
  • [14:05:59] <ynezz> even 5GHz?
  • [14:06:05] <KotH> uhmm.. that i dont know
  • [14:06:09] <ynezz> :)
  • [14:06:23] <mru> and what do they sound like?
  • [14:06:33] <KotH> he couldnt describe it
  • [14:06:37] <kfoltman> Chicken. They sound like chicken.
  • [14:06:41] <KotH> lol
  • [14:06:48] <ynezz> depends what it's downloading
  • [14:07:25] <mru> obviously nobody can hear radio waves
  • [14:07:55] <mru> but maybe some component vibrates at a lower frequency
  • [14:07:59] <panto> mru, oh yeah? how can you explain my nice tin foil hat
  • [14:08:22] <mru> like usb ports often make chirping sounds when active
  • [14:10:00] <mru> panto: that's to block mind-control rays
  • [14:10:04] <KotH> mru: not entirely
  • [14:10:22] <mru> what not entirely what?
  • [14:10:28] <KotH> mru: it is known that some people are able to hear some portion of electromagnetic waves... usually one in the lower range
  • [14:10:32] <av500> KotH: does he also hear voices?
  • [14:10:40] <av500> like I do?
  • [14:10:45] <KotH> av500: only of people who are talking
  • [14:11:01] <av500> thats the problem, they talk ALL the time
  • [14:11:08] <mru> KotH: I'll accept that electromagnetic waves might induce currents in some nerves causing the owner to perceive sounds
  • [14:11:08] <av500> PLEASE, make them stop
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  • [14:12:10] <KotH> mru: juup.. it's usually thought that this is the way how people hear it. but nobody knows exactly
  • [14:12:39] <KotH> av500: that's called irc. people are there to talk
  • [14:13:26] <KotH> mru: interestingly: from what i know, it should not be possible to induce currents into nerves. they are not conductors in the first place
  • [14:13:41] <av500> ask the CIA
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  • [14:14:16] <mru> KotH: so maybe not the nerves as such
  • [14:14:19] <mdp> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/146
  • [14:14:25] <mru> but there's plenty of conductive material in the human body
  • [14:14:49] <av500> mdp: why, we are
  • [14:15:21] <mru> KotH: if you doubt that, feel free to touch my high-voltage generator
  • [14:17:23] <SpeedEvil> Nerves may not be conductors - however once you exceed the action potential - some one volt - a cascade of signal will be triggered along them.
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  • [14:19:04] <mdp> av500, I just want to keep you all on track
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  • [14:22:19] <KotH> mru: there, it's mostly the blood vesels that conduct the current :)
  • [14:22:49] <mru> whatever it is, it sure affects the nerves _somehow_
  • [14:22:51] <panto> are we talking about a new cape here?
  • [14:22:55] <panto> mind-control-cape
  • [14:23:18] <KotH> juup
  • [14:23:47] <KotH> i know that some animals have corpi in certain cells that react on electrical or magnetic fields
  • [14:24:00] <mru> so some current in the right place should reasonably be able to stimulate the auditory nerves
  • [14:24:08] <KotH> might be that some people have variants fo those corpi as well
  • [14:24:10] <mru> thus making the person 'hear' things
  • [14:24:36] <mru> anyone can feel a sufficiently strong electric field
  • [14:24:51] * ogra_ thought since google glass it all goes "through the bone" now ...
  • [14:25:00] <KotH> mru: google for transcranial magnetic stimulation
  • [14:25:12] <av500> ogra_: when I hold my beagelbone to my ear, I hear nothing
  • [14:25:14] <av500> :(
  • [14:25:21] <ogra_> its broken then
  • [14:25:23] <KotH> mru: that's being used by psychologist to excite or inhibit whole brain areas :)
  • [14:25:23] <ogra_> RMA it
  • [14:25:28] <av500> cheep sheet
  • [14:25:41] <mranostay> morning
  • [14:25:41] <ogra_> or you are just missing a triod on top :)
  • [14:25:46] <ogra_> *triode
  • [14:25:55] <ogra_> to amplify
  • [14:25:55] <av500> working on that
  • [14:25:58] <ogra_> :)
  • [14:26:02] <KotH> BEERISH JIHAD mranostay
  • [14:26:05] <mru> mourning mranostay
  • [14:26:09] <mru> been drinking again?
  • [14:26:27] <av500> this channel is in eternal friday
  • [14:26:30] <panto> hi mranostay
  • [14:26:35] <panto> tgif, right?
  • [14:26:50] <av500> another day off?
  • [14:26:51] <mdp> this is the channel of confusion
  • [14:26:52] <av500> unpossible
  • [14:27:09] <av500> it's channelling it for sure
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  • [14:27:27] <panto> mranostay, don't tell you've blacked out again for two days
  • [14:27:31] <panto> *tell me
  • [14:27:35] <panto> it's friday you know
  • [14:27:42] <av500> panto: no, he was, uhm, biking
  • [14:27:58] <panto> uh, yeah, that's the ticket
  • [14:27:59] <mdp> in his kilt playing the accordion
  • [14:27:59] <panto> I was 'biking'
  • [14:28:01] <KotH> that's what they call it these days?
  • [14:28:08] <panto> they do in portland
  • [14:28:50] <KotH> portland?
  • [14:28:54] <KotH> what's wrong with portland?
  • [14:29:02] <mru> portland
  • [14:29:10] <av500> can we portland android to it?
  • [14:29:17] <av500> does it supportland ubuntu?
  • [14:30:05] <panto> ubuntu, darth vader wearing a kilt playing the bagpipe edition
  • [14:30:10] <panto> *on a unicycle
  • [14:31:38] <Spirilis> I like portland
  • [14:33:24] * mranostay bikes in
  • [14:35:12] <philenotfound> the dream of the 90s is alive in portland
  • [14:38:30] <thurgood> damned hippies
  • [14:38:59] <av500> hippies were 30 years late in portland?
  • [14:39:09] <Spirilis> young folks went there to retire
  • [14:39:32] <Spirilis> lol my wife has a different perspective on the craziness, she grew up near there back before it was an artist haven
  • [14:40:14] <georgem> portland is pretty cool
  • [14:40:45] <Spirilis> alas I haven't spent that much time there, just a week and most of that week I was driving around the area's scenic stuff :)
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  • [14:46:46] <ka6sox> mourning
  • [14:46:46] <mranostay> Spirilis: punk haven too
  • [14:47:08] <ka6sox> mourning Chief Punk mranostay ;)
  • [14:47:22] <Spirilis> damned good coffee though
  • [14:47:43] <KotH> happy friday ka6sox
  • [14:47:56] <ka6sox> Spirilis, they don't burn it like the Seattle bunch...
  • [14:48:05] <ka6sox> huh?
  • [14:48:13] <Spirilis> oh man
  • [14:48:16] <ka6sox> KotH, did I miss a few days?
  • [14:48:18] <Spirilis> don't get me started on seattle
  • [14:48:26] <KotH> ka6sox: seems you drunk too much like mranostay
  • [14:48:27] <Spirilis> someone here at work really likes that Starbucks French Roast
  • [14:48:33] <Spirilis> that shit seriously makes me sick I think
  • [14:48:34] <Spirilis> grotesque
  • [14:48:37] <mru> didn't seattle create starbucks?
  • [14:48:42] <Spirilis> yes
  • [14:48:47] <mru> say no more
  • [14:48:47] <mranostay> me never?
  • [14:48:49] <Spirilis> good representative :P
  • [14:49:06] <KotH> anyways.. time go to home and get some real work done
  • [14:49:08] <Spirilis> grotesque burned coffee, the American Petroleum Institute should seriously consider certifying it
  • [14:49:09] <KotH> bye boys
  • [14:49:13] <KotH> enjoy your friday!
  • [14:49:17] <Spirilis> "for light car and passenger truck use only"
  • [14:52:35] <cxp> Hello everyone, sometime when I connect to my BBB through ssh (using usb gadget), the terminal's prompt shows "root@dhcppc6" insteads of "root@beaglebone". But the file /etc/hostname is still "beaglebone". And my BBB is connecting to the Internet using DHCP by the Ethernet port. Thanks!
  • [14:53:08] <panto> your dhcp server sends a hostname that the bone client accepts
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  • [14:55:47] <cxp> Oh, this is really weird for me! Can I config the BBB to not accept this hostname?
  • [14:55:56] <panto> probably
  • [14:56:24] <panto> connman if it's angstrom, something else if it's a different distro
  • [14:56:35] <haksaw> Will devicetree object compile on debian wheezy yet? Google foo is failing me.
  • [14:56:37] <ka6sox> KotH, if I ever get to that point...my liver will give up
  • [14:57:05] <cxp> Thanks, the BBB is running Angstrom
  • [14:57:37] <ka6sox> haksaw, can you get the device tree compiler on wheezy?
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  • [14:58:47] <haksaw> ka6sox: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/device-tree-compiler
  • [14:59:29] <haksaw> im having an issue compiling a 1wire dts on hipster circuit's site
  • [15:01:11] <cxp> Thanks panto, I got it!
  • [15:02:00] <Nilking> how to install sdb server on Narcissus image loaded in beagle board
  • [15:02:02] <Nilking> ?
  • [15:02:13] <ka6sox> haksaw, did you have any output from DTC?
  • [15:02:41] <haksaw> BB-W1-00A0.dts:2.2-8 syntax error
  • [15:02:57] <Nilking> edk, how to install sdb server on Narcissus image loaded in beagle board
  • [15:03:44] <ka6sox> Nilking, what is sdb server?
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  • [15:04:09] <fenrig> Hi :)
  • [15:05:04] <fenrig> I want to beeld a poky distro using yocto for my beaglebone black, but as I'm just a beginner at this I'd like to ask where to find the .bb files for this machine
  • [15:05:14] <fenrig> Beeld should be build :)
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  • [15:06:31] <Nilking> ka6sox, hv installed image builder from narcissus for agnstrong into my beagleboard but is giving me error coz i didnt install one of the package
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  • [15:07:30] <Nilking> ka6sox, i have tried the Opkg update command still it's nt installing the package for " gdb server "
  • [15:08:30] <ka6sox> haksaw, this dts came from the beagleboard/kernel repo or from hipster circuits?
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  • [15:08:48] <ka6sox> Nilking, opkg install gdb-server?
  • [15:09:24] <ka6sox> need more coffee
  • [15:09:36] <haksaw> ka6sox: hipster circuits
  • [15:10:05] <ka6sox> haksaw, url or paste of the dts you are trying to compile?
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  • [15:10:22] <ka6sox> better would be paste of the actual one
  • [15:10:22] <haksaw> http://hipstercircuits.com/dallas-one-wire-temperature-reading-on-beaglebone-black-with-dto/
  • [15:10:39] <Nilking> ka6sox, tried , gdbserver comes in the category of Additional Console Pakages
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  • [15:11:09] <haksaw> ka6sox: http://pastebin.com/XmUUPwMV
  • [15:11:27] <ka6sox> Nilking, are you trying to get narcissus to give this to you or after you have the image fetch it?
  • [15:14:13] <Nilking> ka6sox, i have the image, i tried to fetch on it, is it possible or i have to go for whole new process of narcissus online image builer ?
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  • [15:15:33] <ka6sox> Nilking, you should be able to get it from the repo
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  • [15:18:45] <asdf_> has anyone been able to get resolutions higher than 320 x 240 using opencv and a webcam on the BBB?
  • [15:18:56] <Nilking> ka6sox, how to do that, coz m very new to this i don't know, any link will be helpful
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  • [15:21:19] <fenrig> _asdf: isn't the resolution limited by the webcam?
  • [15:22:48] <ka6sox> Nilking, have you googled for this...there are at least 4 examples that give you #exactsteps
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  • [15:23:54] <asdf_> fenrig my webcam is HD but I can only get a max of 320 x 240. I think the drivers (UVC?) might be limiting higher resolutions
  • [15:24:24] <asdf_> going to have to dig around
  • [15:24:28] <av500> what happens at a giher resolution?
  • [15:24:32] <av500> higher
  • [15:24:46] <ka6sox> haksaw, its kind of a mess relative to the ones I'm used to seeing (in the git repo)
  • [15:25:41] <asdf_> I get errors from c++ (didn't save the log) and frames aren't captured at all
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  • [15:28:16] <haksaw> ka6sox: yeah its having an issue finding /plugins/
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  • [15:29:56] <ka6sox> haksaw, I realize it might be a long process but I'd get the real repo and patch the kernel
  • [15:30:08] <ka6sox> then look in firmware/capes at how those are formattted
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  • [15:31:28] <haksaw> I thought dtbo are the new standard
  • [15:32:09] <ka6sox> yes, the overlays are in firmware/capes
  • [15:33:14] <ka6sox> (the uncompiled ones in the sources)
  • [15:34:18] * mranostay throws cherry bombs in the room
  • [15:35:11] <ka6sox> back to work troll
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  • [15:36:04] <haksaw> ka6sox: so where is the source for all of these?
  • [15:36:31] <ka6sox> https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8
  • [15:36:41] <haksaw> kk, thanks!
  • [15:36:43] <ka6sox> those are the patches
  • [15:36:58] <ka6sox> follow the instructions to patch the kernel then look in firmware/capes
  • [15:37:40] <ka6sox> there *might* even be a w1 example in there.
  • [15:38:37] <panto> there is
  • [15:38:40] <panto> weathercae
  • [15:38:44] <panto> *weathercape
  • [15:38:51] <jackmitchell> is there a way to add addtional bootargs to u-boot from the u-boot promt?
  • [15:39:03] <jackmitchell> I know you cna do setenv bootargs xxx=xxx
  • [15:39:20] <jackmitchell> but that overwrites all the bootargs does it not?
  • [15:39:26] <panto> yes
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  • [15:42:18] <ka6sox> KotH, yes indeed Happy Friday!
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  • [15:45:15] <prpplague> jkridner: http://prpplague.github.io/Energia/blog/2013/07/03/compiling-the-blink-sketch-for-the-bbb/
  • [15:45:37] <jkridner> prpplague: thanks!
  • [15:45:49] <prpplague> jkridner: major progress
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  • [15:48:34] <ezequielgarcia> panto: did you push your kernel stuff? :)
  • [15:49:02] <ezequielgarcia> panto: fwiw, i could boot a v3.10 vanilla yesterday
  • [15:49:12] <panto> ezequielgarcia, err, you've missed it
  • [15:49:25] <panto> https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-beagle-track-mainline
  • [15:50:09] <keesj> I see a note on the AM355X TRM that you can only write the Contolr registers from supervisor mode. on DM37XX I am quite sure I did do just that
  • [15:50:31] <keesj> or am I just dreaming?
  • [15:51:11] <mru> which control registers?
  • [15:51:26] <mru> some are certainly restricted
  • [15:51:30] <mru> some others are not
  • [15:52:32] * Tartarus looks around
  • [15:52:43] <Tartarus> Yes, jackmitchell, setenv bootargs a=b overrides bootargs
  • [15:52:51] <Tartarus> setenv bootargs ${bootargs} a=b will append
  • [15:52:52] <Tartarus> iirc
  • [15:52:54] <jackmitchell> Tartarus: it's ok; I coped!
  • [15:53:05] <ezequielgarcia> panto: cool, have you followed buildroot discussion about this?
  • [15:53:26] <jackmitchell> Tartarus: that's a neat trick though, will use next time
  • [15:53:32] * Tartarus confirms quick
  • [15:53:33] <panto> no, I don't care about buildroot
  • [15:53:54] <ezequielgarcia> ok, because they're looking for a kernel. so it might make sense to try yours
  • [15:54:33] <Tartarus> U-Boot# setenv test 1;printenv test;setenv test $test 2;printenv test
  • [15:54:34] <Tartarus> test=1
  • [15:54:34] <Tartarus> test=1 2
  • [15:54:41] <jackmitchell> sweet
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  • [16:00:22] <panto> ezequielgarcia, don't use that one
  • [16:00:27] <panto> this is for tracking the mainline
  • [16:00:34] <panto> it won't do you any good for actual use
  • [16:01:07] <ezequielgarcia> ah, ok.
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  • [16:01:43] <panto> there is another tree in my github account
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  • [16:02:06] <panto> the branch that works (although it's a dev branch) is not-capebus-v31
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  • [16:15:52] <C3E2> Can the Allegro .brd files be opened in Allegro v. 16.3
  • [16:16:13] <mru> try and find out
  • [16:16:39] <C3E2> We have opened them but we can't see the layers.
  • [16:17:40] <C3E2> We cannot see the components but we get a pop up box when hovering over them which indicates that they are there.
  • [16:17:59] <_av500_> ask allegro?
  • [16:18:38] <C3E2> We have but have been getting the run around.
  • [16:19:12] <mru> so it's a game of battleship
  • [16:19:45] <C3E2> indeed.
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  • [16:22:02] <_av500_> C3E2: you can ask Gerald on the ML
  • [16:22:33] <C3E2> Who is Gerald?
  • [16:22:40] <mru> beagledad
  • [16:22:45] <mru> jkridner is beaglemom
  • [16:22:52] <_av500_> koen is beaglekid
  • [16:23:02] <_av500_> prpplague is beagleuncle now
  • [16:23:16] <_av500_> joel_ is beagleintern
  • [16:23:18] <panto> I hate to guess what makes me
  • [16:23:18] <mru> who's beagletroll?
  • [16:23:22] <mru> ah, panto
  • [16:23:23] <panto> that one
  • [16:23:38] * panto bows
  • [16:23:50] * panto starts singing - allow to introduce myself...
  • [16:23:59] <_av500_> ds2 is beagleNAND
  • [16:24:02] <jkridner> why do i have to be the mom?
  • [16:24:15] <mru> jkridner: you don't _have_ to, but you are
  • [16:24:15] <_av500_> jkridner: because that supreme court was late
  • [16:24:30] <_av500_> jkridner: these days it could be two dads
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  • [16:24:39] <panto> _av500_, or two moms
  • [16:24:53] <_av500_> right
  • [16:25:07] <mru> two trolls?
  • [16:25:16] <_av500_> only?
  • [16:25:18] <panto> tale of two trolls
  • [16:25:20] <panto> a novel
  • [16:25:27] <_av500_> a shovel
  • [16:25:56] <mru> tail of two trolls
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  • [16:41:52] <_Sy_> hello
  • [16:42:12] <_av500_> world
  • [16:42:13] <_Sy_> panto, I got the two BBB talking on UART4, works great!
  • [16:42:21] <_av500_> _Sy_: that did they say?
  • [16:42:26] <_av500_> complain much?
  • [16:42:38] <_Sy_> P8-11 crossed
  • [16:42:42] <_Sy_> what do you mean?
  • [16:42:57] <_av500_> wellm they talked to each other
  • [16:43:10] <ogra_> having a tea party
  • [16:43:21] <panto> _Sy_, good
  • [16:43:22] <_av500_> just gossip I would guess
  • [16:43:30] <_Sy_> connected P9-11 and P9-13 crossed over on each board and connected P8-1 to each other
  • [16:43:41] <kfoltman> GND and TX/RX?
  • [16:43:45] <_Sy_> yep
  • [16:43:52] <_av500_> is there a kernel driver for token ring over serial?
  • [16:44:03] <_Sy_> P9-11 RXD, P9-13 TXD, P8-1 GND
  • [16:45:36] <haksaw> ka6sox: ok, got it compiled. Turns out the debian packaged didn't have support for the -@ flag. Had to install roberC's DTC to work.
  • [16:45:41] <_Sy_> In the PDF P8-1 isn't mentioned as being GND, but I found it elsewhere.
  • [16:46:14] <ka6sox> haksaw, can you add that tidbit of information to the DTC pages @ elinux.org?
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  • [16:48:55] <_Sy_> am I correct in thining the baud rate is 115200 for UART4? where is this set?
  • [16:49:15] <_av500_> its whatever you want
  • [16:49:23] <_av500_> you can set it
  • [16:49:33] <_av500_> (within limits)
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  • [16:50:00] <_Sy_> It must be initialised someplace as both of them seem to be set the same, I haven't set anything.
  • [16:50:14] <_av500_> how did you use it?
  • [16:50:23] <panto> _Sy_, you set it
  • [16:50:28] <panto> man termios
  • [16:50:42] <_Sy_> from the terminal I did cat >/dev/ttyO4 and on the other system ls -l > /dev/ttyO4
  • [16:50:46] <_Sy_> just to test it
  • [16:51:23] <_av500_> ah
  • [16:51:27] <_av500_> so default baudrate
  • [16:51:34] <_av500_> whatever that is
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  • [16:51:54] <_Sy_> I'll set it in my application before use
  • [16:53:01] <panto> _Sy_, use screen for quick tests
  • [16:53:07] <panto> screen /dev/ttyO1 115200
  • [16:53:08] <panto> just works
  • [16:53:31] * _av500_ runs Hyperterm in qemu
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  • [16:55:08] <_Sy_> ty for help, I'll be back l8r.
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  • [17:28:15] <beginner> hello
  • [17:28:43] <beginner> anyone there?
  • [17:29:17] <beginner> What SD card to ourchase for BeableBone Black?
  • [17:29:25] <agmlego> A microSD card.
  • [17:29:26] <beginner> purchase
  • [17:29:37] <beginner> size matters?
  • [17:29:38] <agmlego> 2GB or bigger.
  • [17:29:45] <beginner> how big can I go?
  • [17:29:55] <panto> amurican size big
  • [17:30:03] <agmlego> Faster classes will obviously be faster, but anything Class 4 or better should be fine.
  • [17:30:15] <agmlego> beginner: I believe 64GB is the biggest that exist.
  • [17:30:47] <beginner> stupid question... are all of the people in the list to my right on this site now?
  • [17:31:03] <agmlego> The names you see are people in the channel, yes.
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  • [17:31:06] <Crofton|work> yes, but they may not be payin gattention at all times
  • [17:31:10] <Crofton|work> people "dile"
  • [17:31:13] <Crofton|work> grr
  • [17:31:14] <Crofton|work> idle
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  • [17:31:17] <agmlego> Most of them are not active, as Crofton|work says.
  • [17:31:35] * ogra_ surely diles a lot here
  • [17:31:37] <Crofton|work> when we have time, we may review the scorll back
  • [17:32:08] <beginner> I just bought a BBB and am very... captivated by it.
  • [17:32:31] <beginner> absolutely the SMALLEST embedded target I have ever been on!
  • [17:32:38] <beginner> vary cool.
  • [17:32:45] <panto> you must be very light for it not to break
  • [17:32:50] <panto> are you wearing shoes?
  • [17:33:18] * panto notes that this is the troll channel too
  • [17:33:19] <beginner> my other home system is a am335x evm.
  • [17:33:32] <panto> my sympathies
  • [17:33:43] <beginner> they look sort of funny sitting beside each other.
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  • [17:34:12] <beginner> actually I like the 335x evm a whole lot.
  • [17:34:57] <beginner> it has made me a ton of... what's that stuff... oh yea, money!
  • [17:35:40] <beginner> thanks for the SD card info... later all.
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  • [17:48:52] <mranostay> panto: even my internet traffic is trollish now
  • [17:50:21] * mranostay puts on troll cap
  • [17:53:12] <mranostay> bradfa: you are on a 26+26=54 spree
  • [17:53:25] * bradfa parties!
  • [17:53:47] <bradfa> 2 in a row! :)
  • [17:54:20] <mranostay> they turn into trolls so fast *sniff*
  • [17:55:55] * bradfa needs lunch!
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  • [18:28:08] <_Sy_> hello, is panto here?
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  • [18:30:23] <_Sy_> I have enabled UART4 in boot with: optargs=quiet drm.debug=7 capemgr.enable_partno=BB-UART4
  • [18:30:58] <_Sy_> this works fine, I would like to enable UART5 too, I tried appending capemgr.enable_partno=BB-UART5
  • [18:31:11] <_Sy_> but it doesn't work, how to I add another port?
  • [18:32:17] <_Sy_> anyone here?
  • [18:33:56] <_Sy_> nvm
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  • [18:58:29] <sugerman> Hello, is the the correct place to enquire about a repair on the LCD7?
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  • [19:01:20] <agmlego> Possibly.
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  • [19:02:31] <_Sy_> anyone here?
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  • [19:03:03] <panto> yes
  • [19:03:11] <agmlego> Looks like about 248.
  • [19:03:14] <mastiff> <agmlego> The names you see are people in the channel, yes.
  • [19:03:23] <_Sy_> Hi panto, sorted now, uarts 4 and 5 enabled and working
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  • [19:04:01] <panto> good
  • [19:04:37] <mastiff> are they usable with minicom, etc?
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  • [19:05:55] <panto> obviously
  • [19:06:14] <mastiff> that's the working part
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  • [19:08:00] <_Sy_> I'm using both ports for communications between two BBB's in addition to the ethernet, the idea is the serial link is used purely to send heartbeats between devices, nothing else
  • [19:09:26] <panto> it should work
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  • [19:13:35] <mastiff> i'm using uarts for nmea and bluetooth, have done some testing on one of the other uarts, but may to switch ports
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  • [19:17:10] <_Sy_> NMEA183 GPS ?
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  • [19:24:26] <mastiff> ais and gps from my marine radio and chart plotter
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  • [19:24:35] <mastiff> also sonar data
  • [19:24:40] <bradfa> _Sy_, just be careful not to drive the boot pins while in reset
  • [19:28:16] <_Sy_> Why? Shouldn't do, but what could it do? There isn't any current on these pins is there?
  • [19:28:50] <bradfa> _Sy_, it could change the boot order
  • [19:29:13] <_Sy_> oh...ok, ty
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  • [19:33:35] <spenser309> hey anyone seen a NULL pointer dereference during omapdss init on the beaglebone black? Seems to be related to omap_current_dss_features being null.
  • [19:34:06] <_Sy_> Writing a simple application to mange floating IP address between two BBB's, each BBB will have it's own static IP and the pair will use the heartbeat between them to decide which one gets the floating IP....
  • [19:34:07] <mru> bone has no dss
  • [19:34:24] <spenser309> bone has no dss? what is used for display subsystem then?
  • [19:34:30] <mru> lcdc
  • [19:35:02] <mru> essentially a shift register
  • [19:36:18] <spenser309> ok, i'll look into this. thank you!
  • [19:36:37] <_Sy_> Any experts on node.js here?
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  • [19:39:27] <jkridner> hi _Sy_
  • [19:40:22] <_Sy_> hi, I've just finished reading a book on node.js "Node Up and Running" by Tom Huges & Mile Wilson, but it doesn't go far enough for what I want to do.
  • [19:41:04] * jkridner has a list of recommended books at http://beagleboard.org/support/BoneScript
  • [19:41:07] <_Sy_> I want to write a test application to try our the performance as a feasibility study for replacing a native application.
  • [19:41:25] <jkridner> if you already have a native application, why would you want to replace it?
  • [19:41:50] <mru> replacing native with naive
  • [19:42:14] <_Sy_> I have a native C application that raises an interrupt on the 1PPS GPS pulse, when this occurs I have to do something, what I want to find out is if its possible to raise my own event when the 1PPS pulse comes in then get an app written in node.js to do something.
  • [19:42:25] <jkridner> unlike mru, I actually think JavaScript has its place in embedded.
  • [19:42:52] <_Sy_> Portability between systems, at the moment the app runs on a PC104 x86 system, I'd like to move it away from QNX and onto Linux and ARM.
  • [19:43:09] <jkridner> if that pulse is coming in on a pin, tying a gpio-keys event to it will make it simpler.
  • [19:43:25] <jkridner> then, you can simply trigger on an OS event.
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  • [19:43:39] <_Sy_> The real challenge is to see if an app written in Node can keep up.
  • [19:43:50] <SpeedEvil> With once-per-second events?
  • [19:43:51] <SpeedEvil> Maybe.
  • [19:43:54] <jkridner> depends what you ask it to do.
  • [19:44:13] <_Sy_> Our data comes in at 5000x32 byte samples per second...
  • [19:44:36] <SpeedEvil> I shouldn't heckle.
  • [19:44:36] <_Sy_> An interrupt on 1PPS triggers when the data flow starts.
  • [19:44:53] <jkridner> node is pretty fast, but creating unoptimized stuff can be done pretty easily too.
  • [19:44:56] <SpeedEvil> I've written real-time signal processing with sox+hexdump+awk
  • [19:45:34] <_Sy_> The data goes into a ring buffer then is picked out by the interrupt handler, will could be done in node...I'm looking forward to prototyping the system.
  • [19:45:42] <jkridner> PPS = packet per second?
  • [19:46:08] <_Sy_> Pulse Per Second, 1PPS defines to approx. 20ns when the rising edge of the next GPS timestamp occurs.
  • [19:46:48] <jkridner> ..and at that time you need to move 5000x32 *bytes* of data?
  • [19:47:00] <_Sy_> We use GPS 1PPS to synchronise two remote units so the data each acquires is spot on and can be cross referenced by a remote server.
  • [19:47:15] <jkridner> do you have some kind of DMA engine moving that data?
  • [19:47:29] <jkridner> getting something to happen in node on a pulse edge is pretty easy.
  • [19:47:34] <_Sy_> No, just QNX streaming the data to the file system.
  • [19:47:48] <jkridner> latency can be pretty low, but much of that depends on the OS context switch latency.
  • [19:48:07] <_Sy_> The device driver and interrupt handler is written in C, a Java application picks up the actual data out of the ring buffer and writes to disk
  • [19:48:12] * jkridner doesn't understand where the magic data comes from.
  • [19:48:37] <jkridner> k, well, guess you'll need to re-implement that part too?
  • [19:48:39] <_Sy_> QNX is pretty excellent in terms of its real time performance.
  • [19:49:32] <_Sy_> I could raise and event periodically to tell the node application that there is content in the ring buffer to read, then the node application could empty the ring if it can keep up before its filled again.
  • [19:50:44] <jkridner> k, what's the question again?
  • [19:51:12] <_Sy_> is it possible to create user definable events that can be raised by a native library?
  • [19:51:35] <_Sy_> library probably to right, I mean a driver.
  • [19:51:53] <panto> define 'user definable events'
  • [19:52:36] <_Sy_> for example....when my driver has to notify the node app that data is ready to read from the ring buffer, I could raise an event "ringrdy"
  • [19:53:23] <panto> is that from a gpio?
  • [19:53:51] <_Sy_> it could be.
  • [19:53:53] <theterg> sounds like you would want to get node to listen via select() or epoll()
  • [19:54:19] <theterg> if your native library is in something like C
  • [19:54:30] <jkridner> theterg: node already has an event loop that does a poll(). the ideal case would be to use the existing event loop.
  • [19:54:35] <_Sy_> but isn't polling or listening in a loop kind of defeating the whole point of an event driven system?
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  • [19:54:56] <jkridner> _Sy_: don't add a new event loop, use the existing one.
  • [19:55:01] <theterg> right, but I guess the question is getting an event from a native library / file descriptor into node
  • [19:55:32] <jkridner> things like gpio-keys create native events that will trigger the existing event loop.
  • [19:55:39] <_Sy_> If I was coding this in another language, then the event would be associated with a context, is the same true in node?
  • [19:56:08] <jkridner> yes, your event handler would preserve your JavaScript context.
  • [19:56:18] <jkridner> that's the nice thing about JavaScript closures.
  • [19:56:31] <_Sy_> So can you tell in the event handler what/where the event came from?
  • [19:56:40] <jkridner> yes.
  • [19:57:08] <_Sy_> excellent, in that case I should be able to re-use an existing event, ok, will hunt around for some examples.
  • [19:57:09] <jkridner> node.js's job is to manage the event loop and call your routines in the right context.
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  • [19:57:47] <_Sy_> Another question on node, completely different, is there any way to protect one's IPR and javascript with node?
  • [19:58:38] <georgem> Has anyone hooked up a lipo battery to the TPS65217C on the BBB? Sounds like the host USB won't work without a 5v supply though :(
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  • [20:02:08] <jkridner> _Sy_: btw, I'm pretty sure all you'd need to do is fs.read the event file, which should 'block' and cause node to go into its event loop. I'll test that.
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  • [20:02:25] <jkridner> I need to do that anyway because I need to replace my attachInterrupt() routine with a sane one.
  • [20:02:34] <jkridner> What is IPR?
  • [20:02:46] <panto> Intellectual Property Rights?
  • [20:03:04] <jkridner> From who are you protecting your JavaScript code? From someone with root access to your device?
  • [20:03:13] <_Sy_> Intellectual property
  • [20:03:25] <jkridner> I mean, if they can't get to the device, they shouldn't be able to see code running server-side...
  • [20:03:45] <_Sy_> I have a package that I am about to sell and I don't want the customer simply rippling it off...
  • [20:03:52] <jkridner> but, obfuscating scripts is generally silly.
  • [20:04:00] <jkridner> possible, but silly.
  • [20:04:09] <panto> there are obfuscators for js
  • [20:04:12] <_Sy_> I'm deliverying a system, they will have the server and everything on it.
  • [20:04:27] <georgem> panto: js is obfuscated enough already
  • [20:04:31] <SpeedEvil> _Sy_: Does your contract specifically say you can obfuscate?
  • [20:04:34] <agmlego> I suggest not using an interpreted language then.
  • [20:04:39] <SpeedEvil> If it doesn't, I'd refuse obfuscated code.
  • [20:04:49] <jkridner> _Sy_: might do what you want: https://github.com/crcn/nexe
  • [20:04:50] <SpeedEvil> And require you deliver it cleartext.
  • [20:05:00] <SpeedEvil> Unless you wish to supply free bugfixes.
  • [20:05:09] <_Sy_> I've written packers and compressors before, but I was wondering if since node.js uses a JIT compiler, is there a pcode type file it uses like Java's jar file?
  • [20:05:34] <jkridner> (though you'd probably want to run the .js through an obfuscator first)
  • [20:06:52] <_av500_> _Sy_: node does not use a JIT
  • [20:06:58] <m_billybob> Or learn to do what you want done using a real language :P
  • [20:07:05] <jkridner> _av500_: V8 doesn't have a JIT?
  • [20:07:09] * jkridner thought it did
  • [20:07:11] <_av500_> yes
  • [20:07:14] <_av500_> but that is the browser no?
  • [20:07:16] <_av500_> ah no
  • [20:07:18] * georgem thought V8 did too
  • [20:07:19] <_Sy_> I thought it did, I'm sure I read that someplace...that V8 compiled the javascript
  • [20:07:25] <_av500_> ignore me
  • [20:08:04] * _av500_ is too old and thinks browsers when reading js
  • [20:08:09] <_Sy_> So like Java it produces pcode, then the actually JVM does the last bit turning the pcode into native code, thought that was exactly what V8 did.
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  • [20:08:41] <m_billybob> I wonder if there are apps to compile js into stand alone native
  • [20:08:42] <jkridner> I don't think it has an intermediate format that it supports
  • [20:08:55] <m_billybob> somethign like what was done back early in the C# / vb.net days
  • [20:09:26] <_Sy_> It must do...else the execution would take longer, thats really why Java performance is good, because most of the work in compilation has already been done.
  • [20:11:26] <_Sy_> mmmm...sounds like I'm wrong, the V8 engine doesn't produce byte code, but it does compile the Javascript into native code.
  • [20:12:29] <m_billybob> never really read much about it. soudns cool though
  • [20:13:02] <m_billybob> web technology moves too fast for me to read much about all that. AngularJS uses V8 too doesnt it ?
  • [20:13:19] <_Sy_> It means that javascript isn't just a cool browser client side language but potentiially can be used to create effecient server side applications.
  • [20:14:14] <m_billybob> isnt that what node.js is meant for ?
  • [20:14:16] <_Sy_> node.js isn't multi-threaded, however I read in this book that it does have support to utillize multiple cores in a system to run, which sounds like threading to me.
  • [20:15:03] <_Sy_> Yes, node.js can be used to replace Apache and PHP and offers better performance than both Apache and PHP, whilst giving a really powerful and nice to use language.
  • [20:15:41] <m_billybob> If i really needed performance though. id probably want ot use an embedded web server API
  • [20:15:51] <m_billybob> like snorkle perhaps
  • [20:16:21] <_Sy_> But then if you want to do anything like database interface would you write a native application?
  • [20:16:25] <_Sy_> CGI ?
  • [20:16:42] <jkridner> _Sy_: yeah, the 'cluster' API provides access for running on multiple cores. general theory of node.js is to encourage you to write non-blocking code and avoid creating threads.
  • [20:16:47] <_Sy_> which falls down on the performance and requires much more resources, doesn't scale to well either.
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  • [20:16:55] <m_billybob> sql probably. access time on sql databases is remarkably fast.
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  • [20:17:02] <m_billybob> access times*
  • [20:17:35] <_Sy_> Threads are bad...remember years ago going on a real-time programming course, the advice given then was if you are thinking about using threads, try and use seperate processes instead.
  • [20:18:28] <kfoltman> _Sy_: "Threads are bad" is a gross over-generalization IMHO
  • [20:18:39] <m_billybob> and impossible not to use sometimes
  • [20:18:44] <georgem> yeah...
  • [20:18:51] <m_billybob> you use an OS you're struck with threads
  • [20:18:54] <_Sy_> probably, but there are lots of potential pitfalls and it can get very complicated.
  • [20:19:03] <kfoltman> _Sy_: concurrency = complication
  • [20:19:23] <jkridner> kfoltman: it is a drastic oversimplification, but it works.
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  • [20:19:41] <_Sy_> Don't get me wrong, I've use threads frequently, but if I can I try to avoid it.
  • [20:19:41] <exosyst> OK i'm stumped - can anyone help. I want to grab a hold of S2 on the BBB from within a kernel driver. Is it mapped in anywhere and can I get it to raise an interrupt?
  • [20:20:21] <cyronin> hey guys, i have a brainfart question to ask
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  • [20:20:44] <kfoltman> jkridner: it makes things harder, sure - but sometimes it's the best-performing option
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  • [20:21:10] <cyronin> in bash, what is an elegant way of reading a value from gpio set as input?
  • [20:21:14] <kfoltman> _Sy_: sure, unnecessary concurrency and shared data structures is a good way to shoot oneself in the foot
  • [20:21:23] <_Sy_> I use mutexes when neccessary, but still can be difficult to visualize when a problem occurs and synchronisation can be a bitch.
  • [20:21:30] <kfoltman> Absolutely.
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  • [20:21:36] <cyronin> im stuck on `cat /sys/class/gpio/gpioxx/value` kludgery
  • [20:21:49] <kfoltman> _Sy_: In some code, I can't even use mutexes due to realtime constraints
  • [20:21:55] <jkridner> exosyst: what is S2?
  • [20:22:00] <kfoltman> _Sy_: lockless queues FTW
  • [20:22:04] <georgem> cyronin: with bash that's probably about as elegant as you're going to get
  • [20:22:06] <exosyst> jkridner, the user boot switch
  • [20:22:11] <m_billybob> exosyst -> http://pastebin.com/nc0VUbRH
  • [20:22:19] <panto> exosyst, you can't use it
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  • [20:22:27] <panto> or, you can't use it with hdmi on
  • [20:22:29] <panto> or video
  • [20:22:32] <kfoltman> _Sy_: and it's always a bitch to debug
  • [20:22:39] <_Sy_> In QNX where I have multiple processes communicating, I creatd a shared memory area and then use locking flags to allow each process to synchronise access.
  • [20:22:56] <exosyst> I don't want video so that's fine :D panto
  • [20:23:08] * kfoltman never used a true RTOS, alas
  • [20:23:37] <cyronin> gotcha, been a while since ive done significantly sophisticated bash scripting, tossing an if [ `cat /sys/xxxx/value` != 1 ] felt wrong
  • [20:23:37] <panto> I'm not sure you want to use it
  • [20:23:39] <panto> it's tricky
  • [20:24:16] <exosyst> panto, It's the only push button on the board I can really use. i don't want to buy additional capes just to prove to students that I can raise an interrupt
  • [20:24:19] <_Sy_> I try to avoid RTOS where you have to link with the kernal as its very each to produce a brick if you get it wrong....QNX is very nice because its a lot like Linux but can be extremely small.
  • [20:24:27] <kfoltman> panto: doing non-trivial realtime-like stuff on a non-RTOS isn't any better, I suppose
  • [20:24:49] <panto> _Sy_, Linux can be extremely small too
  • [20:25:02] <panto> ds2, how small have you gotten it to be?
  • [20:25:02] <exosyst> m_billybob, what am I looking at there? eMMC_RSTn isn't the right line is it?
  • [20:25:08] <XorA> cyronin: gpio=( $(</sys/class/gpio/gpioxx/value) )
  • [20:25:17] <_Sy_> We use to use RT Linux, before Wind-River bought it up and stopped selling it....
  • [20:25:37] <m_billybob> exosyst, i misunderstood what you meant ( too much coffee for me this morning )
  • [20:25:41] <panto> _Sy_, I used to do RT
  • [20:25:48] <m_billybob> exosyst you said S2 I was thinking USR LEDs . . .
  • [20:25:51] <panto> RTOSes are overrated IMO
  • [20:25:57] <cyronin> XorA: that looks better, thanks
  • [20:26:10] <panto> I'm mostly leaning to no-os for hard realtime stuff these days
  • [20:26:10] <XorA> cyronin: I had to look it up, I remembered there was a way to do it, but not how
  • [20:26:30] <exosyst> m_billybob, no problems. Nope, I plan on delivering training courses using the Beaglebone Black (one userspace course already run succesfully) but for the Device Drivers stuff I want to show an interrupt setup and triggered
  • [20:26:35] <_Sy_> Its very strange Real-Time means different things to people, to me it just means that you can count on the OS to do something when you need it to.
  • [20:26:37] <panto> RTOSes were a kludge where you couldn't get a nice host processor to handle your mundane stuff
  • [20:27:00] <exosyst> ideally without hanging wires out of the headers and having to buy a breakout board which is what I did for the BBW based courses
  • [20:27:20] <cyronin> XorA: that describes everything I know about bash right now, "I know there is a way to do x, but damned if i can just remember that syntax"
  • [20:27:22] <m_billybob> exosyst, probably the best way to go with whats been said now
  • [20:27:33] <m_billybob> ( hanging wires off the board )
  • [20:27:37] <cyronin> thanks though
  • [20:27:55] <panto> exosyst, look in the tester cape
  • [20:27:59] <jkridner> panto: +1, though messaging APIs are still useful and a semaphore/priority thing can be helpful for more complicated real-time systems
  • [20:28:00] <_Sy_> The problem with a lot of OS's is that when you need them to be there to do something, they aren't and instead are doing something non critical like house keeping, this is where a RT OS differs.
  • [20:28:04] <XorA> cyronin: Ive been doing LaTeX for last couple of hours, bash looks nice now :_D
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  • [20:28:25] <cyronin> hahaha
  • [20:28:31] <kfoltman> panto: in case of musical stuff, I want the 'host' CPU to do DSP, so it's no longer the 'host' proper :)
  • [20:28:39] <jkridner> panto: though, adding another right-sized processor for more tasks would generally be more elegant/efficient.
  • [20:29:01] <panto> _Sy_, for example if you had a way to set aside a few cores to only run your code (in as tight loop as you want) you wouldn't need a RTOS
  • [20:29:01] <exosyst> m_billybob, that kinda sucks :(
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  • [20:29:17] <_Sy_> panto, thats very true
  • [20:29:23] <kfoltman> panto: having dedicated cores for DSP might be a good idea, but then you have the interdependencies still
  • [20:29:30] <kfoltman> panto: as in, bus contention...
  • [20:29:31] <panto> I have a cunning plan about that
  • [20:29:41] <m_billybob> exosyst, well with that said Derek Molloy has a video on just that too, although he's isnt using interrupts . ..
  • [20:29:43] <panto> kfoltman, yes, you do
  • [20:29:51] <m_billybob> he isnt*
  • [20:29:57] <exosyst> panto, I've got the breadboard cape that I used with the BBWs, can I not just disable HDMI (which drivers?) and then ioremap it in as a memory location?
  • [20:30:14] <exosyst> such that I can get at the interrupt from S2
  • [20:30:25] <m_billybob> optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN
  • [20:30:29] <m_billybob> done.
  • [20:30:29] <panto> but the thing is, having a core just set aside for yourself is the best guarantee that you'll get the best performance out of that single core
  • [20:31:07] <panto> kinda seems like the whole overlays thing is getting useful
  • [20:31:18] <panto> imagine having to hack the board file to do that
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  • [20:31:25] <m_billybob> no kidding.
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  • [20:31:49] <m_billybob> exosyst that optargs statement was meant for you btw
  • [20:31:49] <georgem> not using an RTOS is great until you want to do something that is a pain in the ass on bare metal
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  • [20:32:13] <exosyst> m_billybob, panto would I not be able to tweak the dts file and set it as a triggered interrupt?
  • [20:32:13] <panto> georgem, right, that's why I said, you always have a few cores running a general purpose os like linux
  • [20:33:02] * m_billybob defers to panto
  • [20:33:12] <_Sy_> Most people don't want to engineer the whole solution or re-invent the wheel when others have already invested 100's or 1000's of hours in wiriting device drivers etc....so you need to pull it all together and know that whilst you don't know what others have done, you can count on the OS not to let you down.
  • [20:33:12] <panto> in the old days you couldn't, cause cpu power was $$$$
  • [20:33:29] <panto> _Sy_, you can count on the OS to let you down
  • [20:33:32] <georgem> panto: what if linux could just run the processes on the dedicated cores without locks and shit getting in the way. then you'd have the best of both worlds.
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  • [20:34:14] <_Sy_> Except without locks you have some almost impossible and infrequent errors to find.
  • [20:34:25] <panto> georgem, there is work underway
  • [20:34:32] <georgem> _Sy_: well... yeah. thats not what I meant
  • [20:34:33] <panto> look up core/process isolation
  • [20:35:27] <_Sy_> Kind of reads like protected memory
  • [20:35:49] <panto> sort off
  • [20:35:52] <panto> *of
  • [20:36:28] <m_billybob> exosyst, i'd answer, but honestly have no experience with that *yet*
  • [20:37:24] <panto> georgem, btw, the biggest win, is having a huge address space, covered by only very few TLBs
  • [20:37:40] <panto> the HPC guys are looking at it
  • [20:37:44] <georgem> Cool
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  • [20:38:03] <m_billybob> Oh, nice.
  • [20:38:13] <m_billybob> one of those days ( again ) ?
  • [20:40:11] <m_billybob> just checking . . .
  • [20:40:15] <_Sy_> Time to sign off and get my beauty sleep...nite all
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  • [20:44:57] <exosyst> m_billybob, no problems. I've fired off an email to a guy at TI who might no.... maybe.... with hope.
  • [20:45:31] <exosyst> know* - yeesh, i've been at this too long. Give me a hardcoded location and ioremap any day haha. Bloomin device trees!
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  • [20:54:34] <m_billybob> exosyst, well i belive theres been talk on the beagleboard google groups about interrupts( for sure regarding the PRU ) but yeah, I dont normally read all that post per post
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  • [21:00:44] <exosyst> m_billybob, yeah I read about that a few minutes ago. People want there interrupts dammit haha. - if I can get it I'll be using it to fire a USB rocket launcher mwahaha
  • [21:01:21] <_av500_> yeah, usb interrupts often
  • [21:01:38] <mranostay> _av500_: more than Kayne?
  • [21:01:50] <m_billybob> exosyst, I understadn what you're trying to do. But cant help but wodner "why?" when sysfs would work jus tfine too
  • [21:01:55] <exosyst> _av500_, yeah, but they want a button to press for FIRE!!
  • [21:02:19] <mranostay> why do you need the PRU for that?
  • [21:02:24] <m_billybob> wow typo central here.
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  • [21:03:19] <exosyst> m_billybob, sysfs is great and all but it's a device drivers course. These guys are gonna have piece of hardware connected at a memory location and want to know how to drive a line and get an interrupt off it. I don't want to use SYSFS or anything *too* beaglebone specific where I can as the delegates are gonna have radically different kernels and hardware setups
  • [21:03:40] <_av500_> mranostay: hey, this being drunk is nice...
  • [21:04:34] <_av500_> why is sysfs beagle specific?
  • [21:04:40] <_av500_> my intel PC has it too
  • [21:04:45] <_av500_> intel yay
  • [21:04:59] <panto> there's nothing beaglebone specific in the last kernel
  • [21:05:06] <panto> besides the capemgr
  • [21:05:12] <panto> everything else is generic
  • [21:05:19] <_av500_> board_generic.c
  • [21:05:28] <m_billybob> exosyst, maybe im wrong, but yeah I think a kernel driver is going to be less abstract compared to sysfs
  • [21:05:53] <m_billybob> err i worded that wrong
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  • [21:06:34] <m_billybob> I think having a kernel module would be more differcult to deal with across "multi platform" or distro's if you like
  • [21:06:55] <_av500_> multi platform?
  • [21:07:02] <_av500_> what other platform?
  • [21:07:28] <_av500_> from a distro pov, sysfs or kernel module is the same
  • [21:07:36] <_av500_> both is compiling a kernel
  • [21:08:04] <m_billybob> yeah I suppose that is true. I guess im thinking more of dtc
  • [21:08:13] * m_billybob is still learnign too
  • [21:08:17] <exosyst> you guys are really giving me a hard time huh ;) - m_billybob, these aren't typically multiplatforms. They'll have, as an example, a dedicated piece of radio equipment that connects into their SoC and want to be able to get at the interrupts and drive it
  • [21:08:30] <_av500_> connect how?
  • [21:08:40] <_av500_> a gpio?
  • [21:08:57] <m_billybob> exosyst, not really giving you a hard time, just trying ot udnerstand is all
  • [21:09:10] <m_billybob> to understand.
  • [21:09:24] <exosyst> _av500_, ARM so memory mapped IO. Not SPI, I2C or anything useful at all.
  • [21:09:25] <_av500_> and who is "they"?
  • [21:09:33] <_av500_> "they" they?
  • [21:09:37] <_av500_> or the other "they"?
  • [21:09:42] <_av500_> *they*
  • [21:09:49] <_av500_> *_THEY_*
  • [21:09:51] <exosyst> _av500_, The students I get in are from a broad spectrum of companies... THEY ARE THEY! :D
  • [21:09:51] <m_billybob> them ;)
  • [21:10:03] <_av500_> hey, I am THEY too
  • [21:10:10] <_av500_> and so is my wife
  • [21:10:18] <_av500_> WE ARE ALL THEY
  • [21:10:24] <exosyst> yes yeah, and we're all legion.... So about my interrupting switch?
  • [21:10:28] <exosyst> :D
  • [21:10:35] <_av500_> yes, ask that one again
  • [21:10:41] <_av500_> I missed it between beers
  • [21:10:43] <m_billybob> lol
  • [21:10:55] <KotH> _av500_: you should leave the beer to mranostay
  • [21:11:07] <_av500_> he got me hooked
  • [21:11:13] <KotH> _av500_: you are neither 20 nor is your liver trained!
  • [21:11:57] <_av500_> this one says: strawberry vanilla german fizzy bubble organic microbrewed whole grain light beeer
  • [21:12:06] <_av500_> (made in china)
  • [21:12:10] <m_billybob> lol
  • [21:12:11] <_av500_> it must be good, no?
  • [21:12:14] <KotH> mranostay: now, you shouldnt get other people addicted to your drugs! that's not nice!
  • [21:12:40] <_av500_> even the voices stopped
  • [21:12:43] <KotH> _av500_: cream and chocolate is missing
  • [21:12:56] <_av500_> KotH: that was in the other bottle
  • [21:13:02] <_av500_> its a binary thing
  • [21:13:07] <KotH> and you didnt mix them?
  • [21:13:13] <kfoltman> KotH: that would be too JIHAD!
  • [21:13:14] <KotH> how un-usian of you!
  • [21:13:32] <_av500_> I had each in one show
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  • [21:13:41] <kfoltman> one shoe?
  • [21:13:41] * KotH hits kfoltman for the wrong use of the word JIHAD
  • [21:13:46] <_av500_> but TSA made me take them off
  • [21:13:46] <_av500_> shoe
  • [21:13:48] <kfoltman> KotH: is there a right use?
  • [21:13:54] <KotH> ofc!
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  • [21:14:05] <_av500_> KotH: btw, egypt is doing an anti-jihad
  • [21:14:13] <kfoltman> about time, perhaps
  • [21:14:45] <kfoltman> too bad the choice is between military coup and religious nuts
  • [21:14:47] <KotH> _av500_: actually, they are rebelling against a US founded government, so in a way, it's the right JIHAD
  • [21:15:12] <_av500_> KotH: wasnt the previous one US funded too?
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  • [21:15:19] <_av500_> maybe they have a subscription
  • [21:15:22] <KotH> they all are
  • [21:15:28] <_av500_> and military tends to be US funded too
  • [21:15:32] <_av500_> turltes
  • [21:15:36] <_av500_> all the way down
  • [21:15:36] <mru> morsi was allegedly elected a couple of years ago
  • [21:15:45] <KotH> nobody in the middle east came to power without a subscription to usian kool aid
  • [21:15:46] <_av500_> the shadows looked fake
  • [21:16:05] <_av500_> mru: wasnt he elected on twitter?
  • [21:16:14] <_av500_> or was it FB likes
  • [21:16:22] <_av500_> arab spring 2.0
  • [21:16:44] <mru> well, now he's been unfriended
  • [21:16:53] <_av500_> blocked and reported
  • [21:17:12] <kfoltman> and sent to PRISM
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  • [21:20:54] <_av500_> PRISON
  • [21:21:14] <kfoltman> _av500_: funny how they sound so similar, eh?
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  • [21:22:17] <panto> PRISMON
  • [21:23:24] <mru> cameras have a pantoprison
  • [21:23:27] <mru> err, pentaprism
  • [21:23:59] <mranostay> usa all things :)
  • [21:24:02] * mranostay ducks
  • [21:24:19] <kfoltman> abusa
  • [21:25:22] <mranostay> KotH: good thing we in the US are always right :P
  • [21:25:37] <kfoltman> -wing
  • [21:26:24] <_av500_> -eous
  • [21:27:00] <m_billybob> heh
  • [21:28:03] <panto> mdp, are you here?
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  • [21:28:42] <mranostay> someone is a-asking for a-bombing :P
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  • [21:29:21] <MattRichardson> Hi! I set an ntp server in /etc/default/ntpdate and running ntpdate-sync works, But when I try to put that in the crontab @reboot (instead of on :30 as it's set by default), it doesn't seem to have an effect. What's the best way to have it sync the time with ntp on boot?
  • [21:30:24] <m_billybob> start with the fed. that would be a good place to start
  • [21:30:46] * mru points at guy fawkes
  • [21:30:53] <mru> that dude was onto something
  • [21:31:21] <m_billybob> why does that name seem familiar
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  • [21:31:50] <mru> do you remember the 5th of november?
  • [21:31:51] <mranostay> m_billybob: remember remember
  • [21:32:22] <m_billybob> ah ha
  • [21:33:09] <m_billybob> dont even remember the name of that movie . . .um . . . tip of the tongue . .
  • [21:33:26] <mranostay> it wasn't just a movie..
  • [21:33:39] <m_billybob> are you sure ?
  • [21:33:42] <m_billybob> heh
  • [21:33:45] <m_billybob> vendetta
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  • [21:34:45] <_av500_> your history teacher is cringing
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  • [21:35:15] <pb__> Dumb question, is there a way to adjust the display size to match the screen ( not resolution ), cant seem to get the top and bottom status bars to show. This is out of the box linux distro
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  • [21:36:18] <mranostay> _av500_: possibly crying too
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  • [21:38:08] <mru> pb__: turn off 'overscan' on your tv
  • [21:38:13] <mru> if not possible, get proper tv
  • [21:38:43] <pb__> Its a panasonic plasma, not exactly a junker. I'll see if I can find the option
  • [21:38:52] <m_billybob> av500, British / spanish history is not a huge priority in US schools
  • [21:39:10] <pb__> thank you
  • [21:39:13] <m_billybob> greek mythology is though
  • [21:39:16] <panto> ok, PRU virtio serial port works
  • [21:39:26] <mru> m_billybob: did you learn about panto?
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  • [21:39:38] <m_billybob> lol
  • [21:39:41] <panto> I'm a myth too
  • [21:40:05] <m_billybob> mru I'd probably have learned about my own familiay first sicne my family is largly greek
  • [21:40:58] <panto> which part?
  • [21:41:07] <mru> the dodgy part
  • [21:41:17] <m_billybob> greek mythology was actually taught in English classes when i went to school
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  • [21:41:28] <_av500_> mru: btw, on rpi, you can adjust overscan (or rather underscan) at first boot
  • [21:41:30] <m_billybob> fathers side panto
  • [21:41:45] <_av500_> with rasbian
  • [21:41:50] <panto> err, I mean which part of the country does he come from?
  • [21:42:06] <mru> _av500_: compensating for overscan and getting pixel-for-pixel translation is pretty much impossible
  • [21:42:31] <m_billybob> panto, he was born American, his mother / father were from greece, and I do not remember off hand.
  • [21:42:42] <mru> especially when the actual display resolution is something like 1366x768 but edid insists it's 1280x720
  • [21:42:47] <panto> heh, where are you located?
  • [21:42:54] <m_billybob> US
  • [21:43:14] <m_billybob> Arizona spepcifically
  • [21:43:18] <m_billybob> specifically too
  • [21:44:24] <_av500_> mru: I guess they tell X to use less pixels
  • [21:44:28] <m_billybob> panto, my grandmother used to tel me all that stuff when i was a kid, suppose i should have paid more attention. I was not even interrested in geneology as a kid.
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  • [21:44:46] <_av500_> mru: and yes, the TV scales
  • [21:44:48] <pb__> doesnt look like it has overscan options. O well. Just need to set it up as a file server either way.
  • [21:44:53] <_av500_> but then, they have composite out too
  • [21:45:02] <_av500_> pb__: edges of your files will go bad
  • [21:45:09] <mru> so they don't really have pixels
  • [21:45:11] <_av500_> dont write in the margins of your word docs
  • [21:45:19] <m_billybob> ...
  • [21:45:20] <_av500_> mru: they have rpi-xels
  • [21:45:25] <pb__> very helpful :)
  • [21:45:31] <mru> _av500_: so _that's_ how fermat lost that proof
  • [21:45:37] <_av500_> yep
  • [21:45:50] <m_billybob> pb__ what do you expec for o'beer-tirty ?
  • [21:45:54] <_av500_> the monk that copied it had overscan enabled
  • [21:46:09] <_av500_> or he was too narrow minded
  • [21:46:23] <mru> sounds about right for a monk
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  • [21:46:44] <pb__> True true m_billybob
  • [21:46:59] <mru> on a friday no less
  • [21:47:09] <panto> not a friday for us mru
  • [21:47:21] <_av500_> but for US
  • [21:47:22] <m_billybob> not a friday anywhere on this planet lol
  • [21:47:24] <mru> we've had friday all day here
  • [21:47:29] <pb__> Has it finally started cooling down in AZ
  • [21:47:34] <_av500_> I have friday since monday
  • [21:47:35] <mru> #beagle is not of this planet
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  • [21:47:48] <m_billybob> lol
  • [21:47:56] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/52
  • [21:48:03] <m_billybob> yeah just remembered the 4th is tomorrow
  • [21:48:06] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/181
  • [21:48:27] <m_billybob> a holiday that means less, and less every year now days
  • [21:48:58] <pb__> very true
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  • [21:49:48] <m_billybob> just what we need now days. leader(s) who tell us we need to eat right while scarfing down an icecream cone.
  • [21:50:44] <pb__> I'm more worried about the ones mandating healthcare, yet except themselves, but I don't think this is a political IRC channel so I won't dive to much into it
  • [21:51:10] <m_billybob> politics isnt meant for discusssion anyhow
  • [21:51:19] <m_billybob> and yes bck to #beagle
  • [21:51:44] <pb__> back to trying to figure out how to turn off %*&^*&^ overscan
  • [21:51:48] <panto> http://pastebin.com/k2NxxQ5i
  • [21:51:54] <mru> I really don't understand how the americans be so angry about getting a little bit of healthcare for free
  • [21:52:03] <pb__> Simple, its not free.
  • [21:52:08] <m_billybob> exactly
  • [21:52:09] <mru> here in europe it's _all_ free
  • [21:52:13] <m_billybob> and its not healthcare either
  • [21:52:21] <pb__> no, its not free there either : )
  • [21:52:24] <panto> control of a bitbanged pwm on the PRU using a standard terminal connected to the virtual serial port
  • [21:52:26] <mru> nobody is forced to see the doctor
  • [21:52:30] <m_billybob> its anexcuse to suck more taxes off of the populace
  • [21:52:34] <mru> but _if_ you need one, it's free
  • [21:52:40] <pb__> no, its not free
  • [21:52:53] <pb__> its paid for by the higher tax rates
  • [21:53:00] <_av500_> the ppor 1%
  • [21:53:02] <_av500_> poor
  • [21:53:07] <mru> and you have to pay health insurance instead
  • [21:53:15] <mru> which you can't get if you're actually sick
  • [21:53:27] <pb__> which is lower then the proposed mandated heathcare plans
  • [21:53:37] <panto> I declare victory and head to bed
  • [21:53:43] <m_billybob> panto dahm I thought you were going ot show real code ;)
  • [21:53:47] <pb__> which in turn is already increasing our private plans
  • [21:53:50] <panto> m_billybob, ah ok
  • [21:54:10] <m_billybob> panto its all good dt overlays is good enough
  • [21:54:18] <m_billybob> ill hold off the revolt for a while ;)
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  • [21:54:25] <panto> http://pastebin.com/KTC4ik1e
  • [21:54:42] <panto> it's a bit weird, but then again PRU coding is weird
  • [21:55:04] <m_billybob> dahm i could make a book out of that
  • [21:55:15] <m_billybob> worth investigating im sure.
  • [21:55:19] <m_billybob> the code i mean
  • [21:55:54] <KotH> pb__: ofc it's more expensive: because for once, those people who couldnt afford health care until now, will get it
  • [21:55:56] <m_billybob> panto, thank you sir, and sleep well
  • [21:56:10] * panto looks around to find the sir
  • [21:56:20] <m_billybob> panto, thank you.
  • [21:56:23] <m_billybob> -sir
  • [21:56:25] <KotH> pb__: but i guess, that's too social for 'murica
  • [21:56:26] <mru> +troll
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  • [21:56:29] <panto> night
  • [21:56:39] <pb__> Koth, if you think the people who couldn't afford heath care were not being treated, you have no idea how it was actually working in practice
  • [21:56:44] <_av500_> panto: sir means cheese in serbian :)
  • [21:56:47] <pb__> But again, this isnt for this channel : _
  • [21:56:49] <_av500_> its all about tiropita
  • [21:56:57] <panto> I like cheese
  • [21:57:07] * m_billybob loves cheese
  • [21:57:20] <_av500_> panto: cheese likes you back
  • [21:57:24] <KotH> panto: will you bring some cheese to elce?
  • [21:57:30] <_av500_> bring the goat
  • [21:57:30] <KotH> panto: i'd trade for chocolate
  • [21:57:39] <_av500_> or the sheep
  • [21:57:53] <m_billybob> goats . . .
  • [21:57:56] <panto> goodnight trolls
  • [21:58:00] <m_billybob> lol
  • [21:58:03] <KotH> _av500_: either sheep or cow,.. goat isnt my kind of cheese
  • [21:58:11] <_av500_> KotH: you can bring a swiss cocoa plant
  • [21:58:12] <KotH> night greek guy!
  • [21:58:18] <m_billybob> feta is excellent
  • [21:58:19] <KotH> _av500_: i will!
  • [21:58:50] <m_billybob> although i mucgh prefer a good gouda
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  • [22:00:44] <m_billybob> mru, just a fyi. here in the US for emergencies health services can not be denied by a hospital. Granted then the hospital is forced to pay the expenses out of pocket. so there are two different ways of lookign at it.
  • [22:01:12] <m_billybob> either way, the government has no business in it IMHO but im only one person
  • [22:01:30] <mru> what about non-emergencies?
  • [22:01:42] <pb__> Don't forget that the hospitals are already heavily subsized!
  • [22:02:06] <pb__> mru, there is a ton of federal programs already in place for people who were unable to afford health care pre AHCA
  • [22:02:54] <mranostay> ah america where firearms are a right and healthcare isn't :)
  • [22:03:13] <mru> unless you're shot with said firearms
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  • [22:07:48] <m_billybob> either way its not about care, its about power
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  • [22:08:06] <_av500_> mranostay: if you was a 3rd grader, you would now be escorted off premises
  • [22:08:15] <_av500_> and labeled a terrorist
  • [22:08:25] <_av500_> you pointed gun shaped words at somebody
  • [22:08:33] <pb__> poptart guns
  • [22:08:35] <pb__> watch out
  • [22:08:47] <_av500_> m_billybob: some care about power
  • [22:08:58] <m_billybob> we already know how well european health care works atleast I do. I've seen it first hand.
  • [22:09:03] <_av500_> it works
  • [22:09:05] <_av500_> mostly
  • [22:09:10] <mru> it's not perfect
  • [22:09:17] <m_billybob> not in germany at least not while I was living there
  • [22:09:17] <_av500_> if my kid breaks an arm, I dont have to shell out $10k
  • [22:09:19] <m_billybob> nothign is
  • [22:09:30] <mru> but it mostly works
  • [22:09:35] <pb__> not at once
  • [22:09:39] <_av500_> m_billybob: I libe in germany
  • [22:09:41] <_av500_> live
  • [22:09:51] <_av500_> its not perfect, but pretty OK
  • [22:09:52] <Thihi> No such thing as "european health care".
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  • [22:10:44] <Thihi> Unlike murica, Europe is not a single nation, and the quality of public and private health care varies a lot from nation to nation.
  • [22:10:44] <mru> even though I've never had to use it, the healthcare system is something I don't mind paying for through taxes
  • [22:10:58] <_av500_> +1
  • [22:11:02] <georgem_home> +1
  • [22:11:12] <_av500_> mostly, I dont want to worry about it at all
  • [22:11:26] <m_billybob> I can understadn that
  • [22:11:35] <mru> and it's not like the taxes are all that much lower in the us anyway
  • [22:11:41] <mru> if at all
  • [22:11:50] <_av500_> I dont want to keep $50k in a bank just in case I need a surgery
  • [22:12:04] <pb__> av, you don't. You have private insurance
  • [22:12:05] <_av500_> or decide, college or liver
  • [22:12:08] <m_billybob> yeah lol and 50k is about right too
  • [22:12:08] <mranostay> mru: they nickle and dime better here :)
  • [22:12:19] <pb__> which works much, much better then any public program in the US.
  • [22:12:25] <mastiff> i don't mind paying for a base level of care, but I don't want to subsidize bloated end of life care and chronic care for people who choose poor lifestyles
  • [22:12:25] <_av500_> yes
  • [22:12:26] <mru> _av500_: $50k will barely get you a badger's liver
  • [22:12:34] <m_billybob> friend of mine just had a gal blader removed. 30k USD was the cost for 4 hours with of "work"
  • [22:12:42] <georgem_home> healthcare pisses me off. a lot of it isn't based on science. a lot of trial and error and unexplainable crap
  • [22:12:50] <_av500_> m_billybob: i'd have done it for $15k
  • [22:13:07] <mranostay> mastiff: yeah once you starting going down the road who deserves to live...
  • [22:13:08] <_av500_> georgem_home: yes, they experiment on us
  • [22:13:09] <mastiff> a lot of it isn't effective either
  • [22:13:10] <mru> georgem_home: that's the same regardless of who pays for it
  • [22:13:32] <pb__> thats why they call most hospitals a " campus"
  • [22:13:35] <_av500_> mastiff: simple, kill everybody at age 50
  • [22:13:42] <m_billybob> heh
  • [22:13:48] * mranostay declares an emergency friday
  • [22:13:54] <_av500_> too late
  • [22:14:02] <_av500_> its eternal friday
  • [22:14:12] <georgem_home> mru: yes but in the US we do have lots of people with financial interest in screwing with things to make them even less based on proper science for instance
  • [22:14:20] <mru> _av500_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%84ttestupa
  • [22:14:48] <mastiff> procedures and drugs aren't exactly chosen based on patient outcomes
  • [22:14:53] <m_billybob> criminaly inept comes to mind
  • [22:15:20] <pb__> more to do with keeping you a live to keep charging you, then quality of life
  • [22:15:29] <georgem_home> yes
  • [22:15:30] <mranostay> mru: i suspect taxes in any real state mirror european's
  • [22:15:46] <pb__> what is your yearly tax rate
  • [22:15:47] <_av500_> mastiff: yes all maybe true
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  • [22:15:56] <m_billybob> truth of the matter is that the government here already takes enough taxes to cover it themselves. they're just all crinimaly inept when it comes to managing money. and it's not accidental
  • [22:15:59] <mranostay> there are only like 5 or 6 :)
  • [22:16:03] <_av500_> but still the US pays the most for healtcre for the wirst results
  • [22:16:05] <_av500_> worst
  • [22:16:09] <georgem_home> m_billybob: comletely true
  • [22:16:11] <mranostay> maybe 10 if you count ones with major cities :)
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  • [22:16:56] <mastiff> best thing to do is eat well, exercise, and avoid the medical system as much as possible
  • [22:16:57] <mranostay> mastiff: you don't think you paying health insurance helps those on the same group plan that make bad life choices?
  • [22:17:18] <m_billybob> mastiff, and keep one in the chamber if the pain gets to be too much ;)
  • [22:17:34] <_av500_> m_billybob: or the zombies rise
  • [22:17:39] <m_billybob> :)
  • [22:17:45] <georgem_home> mastiff: yes good idea if you can manage to
  • [22:17:52] <mranostay> crap i forgot to pick up silver bullets
  • [22:18:01] <mranostay> or was that werewolves?
  • [22:18:15] <_av500_> michael j. fox ones
  • [22:18:35] <mastiff> i've seen plenty of zombies already
  • [22:18:40] <m_billybob> wonder how that guy is doign now days
  • [22:19:02] <mranostay> probably not good
  • [22:19:20] <pb__> so just curious, a quick google search guestimates a good chunk of Europeans tax rate slightly lower than 50%. Sound accurate?
  • [22:19:27] <mastiff> shaking like 1.21 gigawatts no doubt
  • [22:19:35] <_av500_> pb__: depends
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  • [22:19:55] <mru> overall, I pay about 30% in tax
  • [22:19:58] <_av500_> with health care and retirement fund, yes
  • [22:20:08] <georgem_home> mru: thats quite low
  • [22:20:12] <_av500_> take home money is about >50%
  • [22:20:14] <_av500_> in total
  • [22:20:17] <pb__> ok
  • [22:20:19] <_av500_> tax, health, pension
  • [22:20:28] <pb__> do you get refunds at the end of the year?
  • [22:20:33] <_av500_> for what?
  • [22:20:35] <m_billybob> 30% is lower than low income earner in the US here
  • [22:20:35] <mastiff> need to include sales tax, various fees, licenses, etc
  • [22:20:41] <pb__> overpayed tax cost
  • [22:20:45] <_av500_> sure
  • [22:20:48] <mru> they pay back if they overcharge
  • [22:20:50] <_av500_> I hand in the thing to the IRS
  • [22:20:51] <mastiff> many hidden taxes
  • [22:21:11] <pb__> what is your sales tax
  • [22:21:14] <m_billybob> ffuel tax i get
  • [22:21:15] <_av500_> 19%
  • [22:21:17] <pb__> at least locally
  • [22:21:19] <pb__> 19%?
  • [22:21:22] <pb__> jesus
  • [22:21:23] <georgem_home> UK has crazy fuel tax
  • [22:21:31] <m_billybob> fuel tax makes complete sense if its used the way its meant to be used
  • [22:21:36] <_av500_> no
  • [22:21:36] <mranostay> pb__: where you live? :)
  • [22:21:42] <mru> uk has no sales tax on some things
  • [22:21:44] <mru> like food
  • [22:21:45] <_av500_> it is meant to make fuel expensive
  • [22:21:50] <_av500_> 7% on food
  • [22:21:54] <_av500_> and thta it does
  • [22:21:55] <pb__> US, Lived in a few states with varying tax rates
  • [22:21:56] <mranostay> 0% sales here :)
  • [22:21:59] <georgem_home> mru: thats like california. its like 9% in Kansas
  • [22:22:01] <_av500_> nice
  • [22:22:03] <georgem_home> for food
  • [22:22:04] <m_billybob> av500 its meant to keep the roadways in good shape
  • [22:22:07] <_av500_> no
  • [22:22:12] <_av500_> it is meant to make fuel expensive
  • [22:22:18] <mranostay> 10% state income though but i'm fine with that
  • [22:22:18] <m_billybob> thats the justification for the tax
  • [22:22:19] <_av500_> which is good
  • [22:22:20] <mru> there's road tax to for upkeep of roads
  • [22:22:36] <_av500_> not here
  • [22:22:48] <pb__> Yea, your taxes are considerably higher then a lot of US states.
  • [22:22:58] <pb__> at least the way its souding
  • [22:22:58] <_av500_> dont count taxes
  • [22:23:01] <georgem_home> So... the difficulty is figuring the total percentage of income tax rate when many of the taxes are taken off the other end
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  • [22:23:06] <_av500_> count take home money after all expenses
  • [22:23:18] <_av500_> its not so easy
  • [22:23:34] <mastiff> I'm streaming fm radio off my rtl-sdr on BBB right now over lan to the speakers on my desktop.
  • [22:23:34] <mru> well, that's 70% then
  • [22:23:38] <pb__> take home is not a good way to look at it
  • [22:23:44] <m_billybob> whts the price of gas in germany now days ? 10Eruo a liter ?
  • [22:23:48] <_av500_> no
  • [22:23:50] <_av500_> 1.5
  • [22:23:51] <pb__> that doenst take in consideration overpayment/underpayment
  • [22:23:52] <mru> so call it "toy budget" then
  • [22:23:54] <_av500_> ish
  • [22:23:57] <_av500_> 1.6 maybe
  • [22:24:00] <_av500_> I dont know
  • [22:24:08] <_av500_> I always top up for a twenty :)
  • [22:24:15] <m_billybob> used to be considerably higher than in the US seems lower now days
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  • [22:24:34] <georgem_home> m_billybob: yeah... kind of seems that way
  • [22:24:34] <pb__> Billy, your in AZ right
  • [22:24:39] <pb__> no state income tax their right
  • [22:24:40] <m_billybob> yeah
  • [22:24:58] <m_billybob> pay taxes for food though
  • [22:25:03] <m_billybob> its all a smoke screen
  • [22:25:10] <_av500_> yeah, 1.6???
  • [22:25:10] <georgem_home> yes
  • [22:25:10] <pb__> well yea sales tax
  • [22:25:18] <georgem_home> and property tax
  • [22:25:29] <pb__> Don't get me started on property tax
  • [22:25:30] <georgem_home> very high property tax in kansas
  • [22:25:36] <_av500_> property tax is low here
  • [22:25:40] <_av500_> in germany
  • [22:25:42] <pb__> I'm in TX, property tax is way high
  • [22:26:11] <m_billybob> funny that too because theres plenty to go aroudn in tx
  • [22:26:22] <pb__> yep
  • [22:26:28] <m_billybob> figuratively speaking
  • [22:26:38] <_av500_> so again, its not so easy
  • [22:26:38] <pb__> I think its how they fund the social programs out of DFW/Austin/Huston/SA
  • [22:26:57] <pb__> compared to CA
  • [22:27:01] <georgem_home> I think the world is just fucked...
  • [22:27:05] <pb__> lower property taxes, but huge state income tax
  • [22:27:11] <_av500_> georgem_home: no
  • [22:27:18] <pb__> in no way proportionally makes up for the higher property tax in TX
  • [22:27:19] <mru> georgem_home: that's one thing we can all agree on
  • [22:27:26] <_av500_> it was always fucked
  • [22:27:35] <_av500_> being a peasant in the dark ages was not better
  • [22:27:45] <mru> being a king then?
  • [22:27:47] <mranostay> _av500_: people seem to forget that :)
  • [22:27:55] <_av500_> mranostay: the good ole times
  • [22:28:02] <_av500_> we had nothing, but that was great
  • [22:28:11] <mranostay> _av500_: you remember i bet
  • [22:28:11] <_av500_> and you died from a cold
  • [22:28:17] <m_billybob> lol
  • [22:28:34] <m_billybob> av500 living conditions are far better so it seems like it *is* better
  • [22:28:36] <_av500_> and you died at age 50
  • [22:28:45] <_av500_> so, no need to kill people at that age
  • [22:28:47] <_av500_> all taken care off
  • [22:28:50] <mranostay> i'm pretty sure it is better
  • [22:28:54] <_av500_> just remove all hand sanitzers
  • [22:29:05] <mranostay> and a lot less smeller
  • [22:29:17] <georgem_home> LOL
  • [22:29:22] <m_billybob> heh
  • [22:29:30] <georgem_home> Someone just set off a bomb, my wife just jumped 10 feet
  • [22:29:30] <m_billybob> chamber pots out the window !
  • [22:30:01] <m_billybob> georgem, too much coffee ?
  • [22:30:24] <_av500_> a prof of mine once told us stories from his past in the country side as a kid, the thing everybody claims was so great
  • [22:30:28] <_av500_> he said it was all crap
  • [22:30:48] <m_billybob> like what for instance ?
  • [22:30:49] <mru> countryside is and always has been crap
  • [22:30:57] <_av500_> fresh bread was put under a lock for a few days
  • [22:31:02] <georgem_home> _av500_: Was the planet as close to irreversal climate catastrophe then though?
  • [22:31:14] <_av500_> because otherwise the maids and stable boys would gobble it all up at once
  • [22:31:31] <m_billybob> georgem lol . . . more of that eh ?
  • [22:31:46] <mranostay> georgem_home: canadians allergic to fireworks?
  • [22:31:57] <georgem_home> mranostay: yes
  • [22:32:04] <m_billybob> georgem_home kinda late for a mini ice ages arent we ?
  • [22:32:29] <_av500_> its not global warming, its just people leaving their microwave doors open....
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  • [22:33:14] <m_billybob> im of the camp that thinks we need to go into an ice age for the planet to rejuv its self
  • [22:33:39] <m_billybob> supposedly thats how it works . . .but yeah im not an expert.
  • [22:34:02] <_av500_> on a long scale yes
  • [22:34:18] <_av500_> heat death of the universe
  • [22:34:23] <_av500_> and it all starts again
  • [22:34:49] <georgem_home> m_billybob: yes, perhaps an astroid or super volcano can cloud the atmosphere in debris long enough to block the sun and send us there.
  • [22:35:00] <_av500_> All Of This Has Happened Before And Will Happen Again
  • [22:35:22] <georgem_home> _av500_: true, but the human race hasn't survived through it all
  • [22:35:32] <_av500_> now you set conditions
  • [22:35:41] <georgem_home> heh
  • [22:35:56] <_av500_> what next, free wifi all the time?
  • [22:35:57] <m_billybob> I just think now since we have "civilization" the planet wont go into an ice age, unless like you said we have an atmospheric "disturbance" of some type
  • [22:36:13] <mru> it would take some rather extreme changes to wipe out humans _entirely_
  • [22:36:30] <georgem_home> mru: yes we do seem to be quite cochroach like
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  • [22:36:44] <m_billybob> lol
  • [22:36:45] <_av500_> georgem_home: by what past experience?
  • [22:36:48] <m_billybob> indeed.
  • [22:37:02] <mru> if some parts of the world become uninhabitable, others might become more habitable at the same time
  • [22:37:06] <_av500_> we did not have a catastrophic event on a global scale yet
  • [22:37:11] <georgem_home> we're adaptable to a wide variety of climates
  • [22:37:16] <_av500_> we are
  • [22:37:34] <georgem_home> like cochroaches. and they've been around for millions of years. maybe there is hope!
  • [22:37:37] <mru> I'm not saying we should not be concerned about what might be happening
  • [22:37:43] <mranostay> my friday meter is reading an eleven
  • [22:37:44] <mru> but I don't fear for the human race
  • [22:38:02] <_av500_> mru: I dont fear either
  • [22:38:03] <georgem_home> mru: me either, robots will kill us anyways :P
  • [22:38:07] <kblin> hi folks
  • [22:38:13] <_av500_> kblin: hi
  • [22:38:15] <m_billybob> hola
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  • [22:38:37] <kblin> I've written a small webapp/node thing that uses bonescript to drive some electronics from my beaglebone
  • [22:38:50] <_av500_> does it use samba?
  • [22:38:52] <m_billybob> fun fun
  • [22:38:56] <mranostay> mru: not like we'd run out of people anytime soon
  • [22:38:59] <_av500_> alsom ontopic!
  • [22:39:02] <kblin> what is the easiest way to make sure node runs on startup?
  • [22:39:08] <_av500_> jkridner: ^^^
  • [22:39:13] <_av500_> kblin: systemd module?
  • [22:39:17] <georgem_home> systemd unit!
  • [22:39:20] <_av500_> unit
  • [22:39:22] <kblin> hm, ok
  • [22:39:23] <mranostay> opkg remove node
  • [22:39:28] <_av500_> +100
  • [22:39:28] <kblin> never used that before
  • [22:39:31] <m_billybob> init.d if using debian / ubuntu
  • [22:39:40] <_av500_> kblin: its the new hot shitz
  • [22:39:46] <kblin> no, it's the default angstrom image
  • [22:39:51] * mru just puts a respawn entry in inittab
  • [22:40:08] <_av500_> respawn systemd?
  • [22:40:26] <mru> no, that's just spawn
  • [22:40:28] <mru> of satan
  • [22:40:32] <_av500_> spam
  • [22:40:37] <m_billybob> does systemmd work like init.d in that you can load a "service" at various stages ?
  • [22:40:43] <_av500_> yes
  • [22:40:47] <m_billybob> nice.
  • [22:40:52] <_av500_> they depend on each othr
  • [22:41:00] <mru> work is pushing it
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  • [22:41:20] * _av500_ needs a sleep unit
  • [22:41:31] <_av500_> init z
  • [22:41:36] * m_billybob needs a work unti
  • [22:41:37] * mru sends _av500_ to a capsule hotel
  • [22:41:47] <georgem_home> mru: there are a lot of problems that other init systems don't address. For instance private /tmp and per unit selinux rules
  • [22:41:59] <mru> wtf does that have to do with init?
  • [22:42:10] * m_billybob cringes at the mention of SELinux
  • [22:42:14] <kfoltman> why would you NEED private /tmp?
  • [22:42:16] <kblin> how does the cloud9 thing that runs the demo stuff start up? I can't find any entry for that in /etc/systemd/
  • [22:42:20] <mru> kfoltman: +1
  • [22:43:05] * georgem_home facepalms
  • [22:43:18] <kblin> systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/
  • [22:43:20] <kblin> ah
  • [22:44:33] <_av500_> see, easy :)
  • [22:45:39] <kblin> and how do I start a systemd service?
  • [22:45:48] <georgem_home> systemctl start service
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  • [22:47:28] <m_billybob> someone could probably make alittle bit of money writting an Angstrom system usage book
  • [22:48:07] <kblin> hm, refuses to start up...
  • [22:48:30] <m_billybob> you already have port 80 in use ?
  • [22:48:38] <mranostay> m_billybob: beer tabs for a few weekends money? :P
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  • [22:50:08] <georgem_home> mru, kfoltman: looks like lennarts site is down (haha systemd killed it right) but check out this link. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/security.html
  • [22:50:35] <kblin> m_billybob: I listen on 8888
  • [22:51:00] <m_billybob> mranostay, idk all i know is that because of my years of debian experience, and the Fact that Angstrom us not what I would consider as "standard" Linux. Coupled with the fact that some thigns seem difficult to learn quickly . . . yeah Im stayign with Debian.
  • [22:51:00] <mru> georgem_home: not clicking that
  • [22:51:02] <kblin> but apparently my node service doesn't like to be started from outside its directory
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  • [22:51:19] <georgem_home> mru: thats fine I expected as much :P
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  • [22:52:05] <pb__> yay more dumb questions from me
  • [22:52:10] <mru> lennart says the way I want _my_ system to work is invalid and other bullshit
  • [22:52:17] <kfoltman> georgem_home: sounds like solution looking for a problem, at least on BBB
  • [22:52:19] <pb__> are they allowed :)
  • [22:52:19] <mru> so there's no reason to read is nonsense
  • [22:52:23] <mru> *his
  • [22:52:34] <mru> kfoltman: that's lennart in a nutshell
  • [22:52:54] <georgem_home> if you're using bbb for hobbist stuff thats probably true
  • [22:52:57] <kfoltman> mru: not quite, pulseaudio was trying to solve a real-world problem
  • [22:53:05] <mru> and failed pathetically
  • [22:53:11] <kblin> hm, no, that's not it
  • [22:53:16] <Guest1795> I have updated my beaglebone black with latest image using SD card but now my board is not booting and when i press boot button then LED is not turning On. Looks like my board is bricked . Can anyone suggest me what wrong with the board
  • [22:53:21] <kblin> grrr
  • [22:53:32] <kblin> I'm getting 'no such file or directory'
  • [22:53:42] <kfoltman> georgem: if you're trying to use it for non-hobbyist stuff, chances are you want to minimize the number of unnecessary complicated components, too
  • [22:53:45] <kblin> it'd be nice if I was told which frigging file or directory
  • [22:53:53] <m_billybob> Guest1795 what does the serial debug output have to say ?
  • [22:53:54] <mru> kfoltman: +1
  • [22:54:19] <kfoltman> mru: well, I think pulseaudio would fare much better if it wasn't doomed by being built on ALSA
  • [22:54:45] <mru> if it weren't for alsa crap, it wouldn't have been "necessary" in the first place
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  • [22:55:02] <mru> note that my systems have never had pulseaudio installed
  • [22:55:02] <kfoltman> mru: right
  • [22:55:05] <mru> and they work just fine
  • [22:55:13] <kfoltman> it's not needed for some scenarios
  • [22:55:25] <mru> it's not needed for _any_ that I ever encounter
  • [22:55:50] <kfoltman> But if you have multiple applications trying to output sound at different sample rates at the same time, some mixing infrastructure is nice to have.
  • [22:56:32] <kfoltman> Well, M$ got it right. Pulseaudio, not so much.
  • [22:56:43] <kfoltman> But M$ didn't consider it a good idea to break APIs left and right in the process.
  • [22:57:07] <georgem_home> kfoltman: there are people that take that approach. I've dealt with pretty complex control systems that are restricted from using routable protocols
  • [22:57:15] <Guest1795> I have updated my beaglebone black with latest image using SD card but now my board is not booting and when i press boot button then LED is not turning On. Looks like my board is bricked . Can anyone suggest me what wrong with the board
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  • [22:57:47] <Tartarus> Do you have a console cable?
  • [22:58:08] <Tartarus> serial console, that is
  • [22:58:47] <kfoltman> georgem: that's still in the obscure category, I think
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  • [22:59:46] <kblin> ok, seems like my unit file isn't picked up
  • [22:59:52] <kblin> is there some extra magic for that?
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  • [23:00:15] <georgem_home> kblin: you just created it? what does it say?
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  • [23:02:17] <kblin> georgem_home: I basically did "cp bonescript-autostart.service my-autostart.service" and fixed the paths
  • [23:02:47] <georgem_home> into which path? /lib/systemd/system?
  • [23:02:57] <ds2> ARRRRRRRG FTDI
  • [23:03:07] <mranostay> FTDI all things!
  • [23:03:14] <georgem_home> heh
  • [23:03:39] <ds2> damn driver b ug
  • [23:03:41] <georgem_home> FTDI seems to be one of the better USB-to-Serial IC vendors to be honest
  • [23:03:41] <ds2> bug
  • [23:04:29] <ds2> when the driver lies to you, I don't care what the chip is doing
  • [23:04:33] <kblin> georgem_home: /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants
  • [23:04:48] <kblin> that's where I found the bonescript-autostart.service
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  • [23:05:10] <kblin> but yes, apparently those are links
  • [23:05:12] <georgem_home> can you pastebin the file?
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  • [23:06:37] <kblin> moving the file to /lib/systemd/system fixed it
  • [23:06:45] <georgem_home> oh ok
  • [23:06:49] <kblin> silly me for expecting configuration to live in /etc
  • [23:06:52] <pb__> dumb newbie question. Trying to flash new angstom, boots up to a text login screen....good or bad
  • [23:07:02] <georgem_home> kblin: actually that should still work...
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  • [23:07:19] <kblin> georgem_home: oh well. as long as it works now :)
  • [23:07:31] <georgem_home> pb__: text login screen == epic win
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  • [23:10:31] <georgem_home> mru: I'm curious... what linux distro do you run on your workstation? Or do you roll your own?
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  • [23:12:29] <kblin> ok, and now it also starts up automatically when the system boots
  • [23:12:33] <kblin> awesome :)
  • [23:12:51] <georgem_home> see... systemd is awesome!
  • [23:14:27] * georgem_home chuckles
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  • [23:16:10] <ds2> I suppose I should do patches
  • [23:16:58] <kblin> well, apart from taking almost as long to get a server to start up as it did to program nodejs to run my stage prop
  • [23:17:24] <kblin> whereas I was expecting to just add a "node /path/to/index.js" to /etc/rc.local
  • [23:17:51] <georgem_home> heh
  • [23:18:07] <mranostay> that is some badass rock star tech there
  • [23:18:38] <kblin> mranostay: yeah, systemd is clearly web scale
  • [23:19:05] <kblin> but I already used that to make fun of bind10 in my last samba talk :)
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  • [23:20:05] <georgem_home> systemd solves some problems I'
  • [23:20:09] <georgem_home> Doh
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  • [23:22:04] * m_billybob is just too hard core Debian to like anything else.
  • [23:22:13] <georgem_home> systemd solves some problems I've been wrestling with in production embedded systems in high security environments for years, it may seem like rock star tech but there is some real utility there.
  • [23:23:29] <m_billybob> example
  • [23:23:31] <m_billybob> ?
  • [23:24:20] <georgem_home> m_billybob: services with securit exploits involving /tmp
  • [23:24:50] <georgem_home> m_billybob: parallel boot for starter startup, less downtime
  • [23:24:56] <georgem_home> faster*
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  • [23:25:50] <georgem_home> m_billybob: cgroup resource restriction, eg limit certain unit to fix amount of RAM so if it is comprimised it doesn't take down the entire system
  • [23:26:29] <m_billybob> paralell boot ?
  • [23:26:40] <m_billybob> read: RAID ?
  • [23:27:10] <georgem_home> no, services starting in parallel
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  • [23:28:51] <m_billybob> guess i personally dont have much use for any / most of that
  • [23:29:04] <georgem_home> most people probably dont
  • [23:29:27] <georgem_home> The rest can use busybox init
  • [23:29:28] <m_billybob> for boot time . . .i boot NFS, but production ... yeah that most likely would not work
  • [23:29:51] <m_billybob> you could but there wouldnt be much use
  • [23:30:12] <m_billybob> or much point rather
  • [23:30:22] <emocakes> moin moin
  • [23:30:34] <ds2> if you absolutely NEED parallel stuff like that, your boot process is broken
  • [23:31:03] <m_billybob> dont think he said absolutely *needed*
  • [23:31:05] <emocakes> m_billybob have you tried windows 8?
  • [23:31:18] <m_billybob> think he meant to help speed up boot times
  • [23:31:27] <m_billybob> windows 8 for what
  • [23:31:33] <m_billybob> short answer no.
  • [23:31:43] <georgem_home> ds2: because starting X and apache simultaneously is broken?
  • [23:31:48] <m_billybob> i havent touched win8 at all
  • [23:32:08] <ds2> no, needing them to do that is
  • [23:32:08] <Crofton|work> Texicans: http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/2013/07/found-while-the-lady-was-gardening/
  • [23:32:43] <jmoyerman> wonder if it still shot haha
  • [23:33:42] <m_billybob> emocakes curious as to why you ask though
  • [23:34:19] <m_billybob> as far as "Win8" goes, id be more interrested in RT id think
  • [23:34:47] <mranostay> Crofton|work: was a nice 1911
  • [23:34:50] <mranostay> *was*
  • [23:35:04] <m_billybob> M1911a1 ?
  • [23:35:08] <georgem_home> 1911? like the gun?
  • [23:35:10] * m_billybob didnt look
  • [23:35:20] <mranostay> yes
  • [23:35:27] <georgem_home> cool
  • [23:35:29] <pb__> thats an interesting cut in the top of the slide if its a 1911.
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  • [23:35:36] <pb__> looks like a funky 22lr kit was on it
  • [23:36:23] <mranostay> pb__: could be
  • [23:36:27] <m_billybob> missing the clip eject button too
  • [23:36:37] <mranostay> mag not clip
  • [23:36:55] <m_billybob> pendantic ;)
  • [23:37:05] <mag> I am no a clip
  • [23:37:13] <m_billybob> heh
  • [23:37:15] <georgem_home> heh
  • [23:37:55] <georgem_home> 45 ACP is a pretty terrible munition though
  • [23:38:02] <pb__> looks more like a star B to be honest
  • [23:38:13] <m_billybob> you know the story behind the M1911 ?
  • [23:38:27] <m_billybob> why the US military initially used them ?
  • [23:38:35] <georgem_home> I've heard parts of it.
  • [23:38:38] <emocakes> :\ muricans
  • [23:38:45] <emocakes> talking bout guns and liberty
  • [23:38:46] <pb__> the 38 didnt put down the injuns!
  • [23:39:00] <mag> Philippines
  • [23:39:01] <m_billybob> for putting big burly guys down in one shot ;)
  • [23:39:20] <georgem_home> by 38 you mean 9mm luger?
  • [23:39:27] <pb__> no
  • [23:39:42] <georgem_home> I thought they tested it vs the luger at one point
  • [23:39:56] <mag> Filipino's were getting drugged up and charging US military personnel and .38 wouldn't put them down (they didn't feel pain)
  • [23:39:57] <pb__> they did
  • [23:39:59] <mag> was what I heard
  • [23:40:08] <pb__> that was during the trials when they were switching
  • [23:40:10] <mag> but the .45 did put them down
  • [23:40:13] <pb__> and again after wwii
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  • [23:40:46] <m_billybob> Story i heard while in the military was "Samoens" but yeah same basic story
  • [23:40:47] <mag> i heard ~1910-1911 hence when it was designed
  • [23:40:52] <m_billybob> Samoans ?
  • [23:40:56] * m_billybob shrugs
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  • [23:46:42] <georgem_home> If you compare 45 ACP 230 gr US Army Ball FMJ = 477 J to 9mm 115 gr FMJ = 570 J, 9mm has the energy advantage. Eventually the Army switched to 9mm after like 60 years...
  • [23:47:52] <m_billybob> only problem with eh .45 ACP is that it wasnt terribly accurate passed 30 or so meters
  • [23:48:00] <georgem_home> true story
  • [23:48:24] <m_billybob> good for 60 gunners without baonets though !
  • [23:48:38] <pb__> Oh no, caliber debates
  • [23:48:54] <georgem_home> which is funny because 1911s now are target shooting pistols
  • [23:49:27] <pb__> the way they are designed you can really milk accuracy out of them
  • [23:49:27] <m_billybob> kited up no doubt
  • [23:49:37] <pb__> if you arent talking about mass machined military units
  • [23:49:53] <pb__> you talk fitted barrel bushings
  • [23:49:58] <pb__> hand cut locking lugs
  • [23:50:05] <pb__> tight frame rails
  • [23:50:12] <pb__> that aint granddads 1911
  • [23:50:14] <georgem_home> pb__: it might be easy to milk accuracy out of a 9mm?
  • [23:50:34] <pb__> in a 1911 forum
  • [23:50:36] <pb__> ye
  • [23:50:46] <pb__> or some of the specific 9mm variants
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  • [23:51:39] <georgem_home> Anyway... I'm cheap so the only gun I have is an MN1891/30
  • [23:51:52] <emocakes> #beagle-guns
  • [23:51:53] <emocakes> plz
  • [23:52:09] <m_billybob> only handgun ive personally own was a glock 19. if i had to do it all over again id probably pick the same gun.
  • [23:52:11] <emocakes> i have two guns, left arm and right arm
  • [23:52:12] <emocakes> ;)
  • [23:52:31] <pb__> I stil need to get a MN
  • [23:52:42] <pb__> sick of my girlfriend going through all my 45/70 and not hitting anything
  • [23:53:13] <m_billybob> teach her how to shoot lol
  • [23:53:14] <kblin> I'm old fashioned and european, I just have a sword :)
  • [23:53:21] <jmoyerman> <- carries a knife
  • [23:53:22] <m_billybob> hehehe
  • [23:53:38] <georgem_home> emocakes: I apologize but its not like anything else was being discussed.
  • [23:53:38] <pb__> she doesn't listen to me
  • [23:53:52] <emocakes> this is wrong!
  • [23:53:54] <emocakes> guns are bad
  • [23:53:56] <pb__> I keep meaning to get her in with an instructor friend of mine. I built her a new AR and everything.
  • [23:53:57] <emocakes> they kill children
  • [23:54:04] <jmoyerman> pb__: tell her she has to pay for every shot that misses.
  • [23:54:06] <m_billybob> gun dont kill people . . .
  • [23:54:10] <m_billybob> bullets do.
  • [23:54:23] <emocakes> guns kill
  • [23:54:32] <pb__> hold on
  • [23:54:34] <m_billybob> knives kill too
  • [23:54:35] <kblin> if thrown hard enough ;)
  • [23:54:40] <m_billybob> bricks . . .
  • [23:54:41] <pb__> I need to check if the guns in my safe have killed anyone today
  • [23:54:42] <pb__> brb
  • [23:54:47] <m_billybob> death tend to kill people as well.
  • [23:54:50] <pb__> if I'm no back in 10 minutes, they attacked me
  • [23:54:57] <georgem_home> emocakes: I have an MN1891/30... You could literally waltz up to someone holding this gun and poke their eyes out before they'd have a prayer of shooting you.
  • [23:55:17] <emocakes> i still disagree, doesnt anyone remember waco?
  • [23:55:24] <emocakes> and georgetown?
  • [23:55:26] <georgem_home> yes.
  • [23:55:32] <pb__> Oh you mean where people killed people?
  • [23:55:48] <m_billybob> ahem bullets . . .
  • [23:55:54] <m_billybob> lead poisoning.
  • [23:55:56] <jmoyerman> Let's not remember the reason the founding fathers of america allowed for gun's was to overthrow a corrupt government...
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  • [23:56:04] <m_billybob> emocakes, how about jonestown ?
  • [23:56:15] <kblin> jmoyerman: not convinced they're used for that anymore
  • [23:56:18] <m_billybob> grape coollaid kills too.
  • [23:56:22] <georgem_home> I bet the people in Libya wish they had more guns :)
  • [23:56:23] <emocakes> and jonestown m_billybob!
  • [23:56:36] <emocakes> georgem_home im sure the US will send them some more guns
  • [23:56:42] <emocakes> to help spread democracy of course
  • [23:56:47] <jmoyerman> uhh oh, now we're getting into politics
  • [23:56:48] <emocakes> the same as is happening in syria
  • [23:57:20] <emocakes> guns shouldnt be allowed
  • [23:57:21] <georgem_home> emocakes: Why do we always need to help out, can't someone else fix it before we have a chance to F it up :)
  • [23:57:24] <emocakes> if you want to kill something, use a knife
  • [23:57:25] <emocakes> or a rock
  • [23:57:35] <emocakes> heaps more respect if you kill a deer with a rock
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  • [23:57:44] <pb__> I killed one with an arrow
  • [23:57:49] <pb__> do I get "respect" now
  • [23:57:51] <emocakes> respect pb
  • [23:57:53] <emocakes> yes
  • [23:58:06] <pb__> it wasnt any harder then killing it with a gun
  • [23:58:08] <pb__> just an fyi
  • [23:58:38] <kblin> pb__: but you got to prance around in the forest with a bow, wearing tights, and sing ;)
  • [23:59:03] <pb__> shhhhh don't tell anyone.
  • [23:59:18] <emocakes> mmmhmm
  • [23:59:22] <kblin> or isn't that how it works? all these robin hood movies have me confused
  • [23:59:28] <jmoyerman> pb__: did you rob the rich and give to the poor?
  • [23:59:30] <georgem_home> I've never killed probably anything, yet I hold the ideal that should my government turn tyranical (which given recent Snowden happenings is very possible) that I should be able to rebel against it.
  • [23:59:40] <emocakes> did the arrow have a armor piercing tip like in rambo on it pb__
  • [23:59:40] <emocakes> ?
  • [23:59:45] <emocakes> that would be cool
  • [23:59:48] <pb__> no
  • [23:59:54] <pb__> it was a big nasty looking SOB though