• [00:00:09] <m_billybob> fiola, good meanign the OSes are polished and usually run well if you learn how to use them. Some would argue that Windows in insecure, but name me an OS that the average user couldnt fuck up
  • [00:01:33] <kaektech> around my parts, everyone LOVES El Goog, but then again, they bring us the gig fiber
  • [00:01:41] <fiola> "Polished" is perhaps the best word for it, aye. But a liability nevertheless, so you have to weigh it up, pros vs cons.
  • [00:02:08] <m_billybob> what pros and cons
  • [00:02:15] <m_billybob> its an OS made by humans ;)
  • [00:02:27] <m_billybob> as is linjux, OSX etc etc
  • [00:02:28] <fiola> Pro: "polish". Cons: "everything else"
  • [00:02:41] <m_billybob> yeah i think you're being a bit harsh
  • [00:03:29] <m_billybob> closed source -> bad(arguable) costs money -> bad ( arguable)
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  • [00:03:45] <m_billybob> insecure. compared to the linux kernel. definatlt
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  • [00:03:53] <m_billybob> definately*
  • [00:04:30] <fiola> m_billybob: I don't think so. I'm not a basher of anything, nor a fanboi of anything, just look at each thing separately. MS has a few good things like polish (and the company's R&D division is awesome, pity it rarely markets anything), but mostly it's a liability.
  • [00:04:55] <m_billybob> same with me fiola
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  • [00:05:02] <fiola> Google is *much* more dangerous than MS.
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  • [00:05:13] <_Sy_> bed time, nite all
  • [00:05:18] <m_billybob> well MS doesnt control a large portion of the internet ( yet )
  • [00:05:19] <fiola> NN _Sy_
  • [00:05:23] <m_billybob> nini
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  • [00:05:58] <m_billybob> MS wasnt founded by US federal agents
  • [00:06:03] <m_billybob> ( also )
  • [00:06:13] <kaektech> 20 years ago people bemoaned WinTel as the death of the computer, and freedom.
  • [00:06:28] <kaektech> RMS hasn't showered since.
  • [00:07:05] <fiola> Not funny, kaektech
  • [00:07:07] <kaektech> But Linux is arguably the most deployed OS on the planet, controlled by neither Google or MS
  • [00:07:23] <m_billybob> maybe that i couldnt say
  • [00:07:44] <m_billybob> I see good in almost all OSes
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  • [00:07:56] <m_billybob> except WinME that was a PoS no matter how you looked at it
  • [00:08:28] <mru> http://xkcd.com/323/
  • [00:09:02] <fiola> mru: highly appropriate for Friday night :P
  • [00:09:06] <m_billybob> just that my personal preference when it comes to desktops id rather use windows. for anythign serious for servers, it'd definately be linux, and most likely debian
  • [00:10:24] <fiola> Desktops are almost entirely subjective. There is no better or worse, there is only personal preference.
  • [00:10:46] <m_billybob> id even possibly enjoy OSX if it doesnt come with that over expensive hardware that was attached to it
  • [00:10:58] <m_billybob> good hardware mind you, but not worth what apple charges for it by a long shot
  • [00:11:53] <fiola> I might not even mind the Apple tax. I do however mind the community and hype that comes with it, so no Apple stuff here.
  • [00:12:00] <m_billybob> fiola, well thats kind of my point. All OSes are a personal prefernce, even for servers. some lean one way other lean the other
  • [00:12:34] <m_billybob> in my own mind though short of domain controllers maybe . . . NIX is where it needs to be
  • [00:13:23] <m_billybob> ive been a long time standing anti apple advocate. Hence when all the fanboi's got relieved of their CC fund i had a good laugh on the inside
  • [00:14:23] <m_billybob> Yet im still wondering if those apple fanatics are still feeling all warm and fuzzy inside ;)
  • [00:14:29] <m_billybob> or if they actually learned something
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  • [00:14:58] <fiola> I'd be equally anti Linux if Linus or the foundation started to shut down our freedoms or options. But by some incredible miracle, that hasn't happened. (yet)
  • [00:15:13] <m_billybob> dont get me wrong, if you know how to use it, if thats what you like go for it I say but dont shovel some garbage down my throat telling me it'll be more secure no matter what you do with it because it says "apple" on it lol
  • [00:16:57] <fiola> It got dangerously close to happening with UEFI though. The jury is still out on that one. Fingers crossed, toes too.
  • [00:17:13] <m_billybob> hmm not sure ive heard of that
  • [00:17:36] <m_billybob> no surprise though i stipped paying close attention to any news lately
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  • [00:17:41] <m_billybob> stopped*
  • [00:17:41] <fiola> Oh, er. Not now, I'm in weekend mood :P
  • [00:18:03] <fiola> All is sweetness and light :P
  • [00:18:17] <m_billybob> my most recent news that I enjoyed seeing was hmmm
  • [00:18:33] <m_billybob> probably Llinus telling nvidia to eff off
  • [00:18:52] <m_billybob> which was yeah quite some time ago
  • [00:19:44] <m_billybob> all is beers and bbb's
  • [00:19:47] <m_billybob> ;)
  • [00:19:57] <fiola> That was funny. I think Linus occasionally lets personal opinion get in the way of his engineeering judgment, but in that case he was spot on, and using some four-letter words helped make the point.
  • [00:20:25] <m_billybob> he comes off to me as a very smart person, who is very playful
  • [00:20:51] <m_billybob> hes definately not a closet nerd
  • [00:21:23] <m_billybob> but yeah heh i had a good laugh with that one
  • [00:21:34] <fiola> Indeed, no closet would have sufficient cooling :P
  • [00:21:45] <m_billybob> heh
  • [00:22:27] <m_billybob> hmm bbiaf speaking of weekened need to see what up with a friend
  • [00:22:41] <fiola> tc :-)
  • [00:25:30] <m_billybob> yeah im not goign anyhwere
  • [00:25:39] <m_billybob> especially now that ive got an answerign machine lol
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  • [01:52:05] <mranostay> wmat: do i have coat a letter with maple syrup to get it delivered in canada? :P
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  • [02:02:35] <mranostay> alan_o: hey
  • [02:02:40] <mranostay> er av500 not alan_o
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  • [02:43:01] <daemoon> hello
  • [02:44:34] <daemoon> Could somebody please refer to a tutorial or tell me how to use the beaglebone black without using a micro HDMI cable? (since I don't have any)
  • [02:45:38] <daemoon> I've read a lot about connecting via usb serial console, but the BB black doesn't have this feature.
  • [02:46:04] <Spirilis> daemoon: connect it to your computer and view the START.htm (I think that's it) on the USB Mass Storage drive that shows up. it has instructions
  • [02:46:46] <Spirilis> it'll include some drivers for you to install, and once they're installed the next time you reset it it should try to create a USB network link to your computer so you can SSH into it over that link. there's even an SSH applet served over the webpage.
  • [02:47:18] <daemoon> so for me as linux-user I will have to install these udev-rules?
  • [02:47:23] <daemoon> I thought of them to be optional
  • [02:47:33] <Spirilis> not sure, haven't tried it under a linux PC yet
  • [02:47:39] <Spirilis> only used it on a mac so far :-)
  • [02:48:48] <Spirilis> bbl
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  • [02:57:39] <daemoon> so for some reason it won't connect to the web-server at 192.168.7.2, even not after disabling all network interfaces
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  • [03:06:39] <kaektech> daemoon: keep in mind that everything else I may have to say has been influenced by the pub I just left.
  • [03:06:55] <kaektech> Do you have an android device?
  • [03:10:06] <kaektech> If so, install "fing" on that device, and scan your local network.
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  • [03:12:56] <kaektech> The device that identifies itself as "Texas Instruments" probably has the IP address of your BeagleBone.
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  • [03:18:05] <robotmaster5379> I am literally about to throw my beagleboard xm out the window
  • [03:20:44] <kaektech> Are you going for distance, or speed?
  • [03:22:09] <robotmaster5379> The perfect combination to make it shatter when it hits the street outside
  • [03:23:43] <kaektech> Then use a full arm motion, and aim for something stout.
  • [03:24:27] <daemoon> :)
  • [03:24:38] <robotmaster5379> I think I will throw it on the ground right in front of my neighbors car, hope the board shatters and the pieces imbed themselves into the side of the car. Both effective and modern art :)
  • [03:25:43] <mrpacket_> im just building my bcc cape
  • [03:26:17] <kaektech> YAY, a voice of reason!
  • [03:28:11] <robotmaster5379> As a real question, I think the issue is that the images are not getting onto the SD card correctly because all i get is the "60" in serial monitor when i try to boot. I have tried many images including reloading the official angstrom one and none work so far. Is there any other things i could try?
  • [03:30:07] <kaektech> Have you tried alternate SD cards? They do have a tendency to fail when you least expect it...
  • [03:30:18] <robotmaster5379> I have 2 I have been trying
  • [03:31:31] <robotmaster5379> and i have tried loading a ubuntu distribution through a linux computer, the angstrom original one through windows, both of which seem to have completed successfully the installation onto the card, but dont boot
  • [03:34:38] <kaektech> M'kay, try to reduce your sources of error. The board ships with Angstrom, get that to boot first. Then you can get fancy.\
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  • [03:35:19] <robotmaster5379> well i have tried that and it didnt work, so i tried reloading it with the official instructions onto both cards and neither one works
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  • [03:37:21] <kaektech> have you followed: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAngstrom
  • [03:37:30] <kaektech> ?
  • [03:37:34] <risc> hi all
  • [03:37:43] <kaektech> hi
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  • [03:42:27] <robotmaster5379> yep i followed that
  • [03:47:04] <kaektech> OK, so lets revisit aerodynamics.How far do you think you can toss it without injuring an innocent bystander?
  • [03:47:50] <robotmaster5379> a good mile!
  • [03:50:44] <kaektech> See what happens, and report back. Note #beagle is not obligated to your fees.
  • [03:51:43] <robotmaster5379> ill have all the bills sent directly to kaektech :)
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  • [03:58:55] <kaektech> heh.
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  • [04:01:37] <robotmaster5379> alright it traveled 1.27 miles. decent throw :)
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  • [04:05:49] <kaektech> night, or morning!
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  • [04:16:49] <NoInternet> hello
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  • [04:17:23] <NoInternet> well both are true. I can not seem to connect to the internet on beagleboard when it is connectd to my Mac over ethernet or usb
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  • [04:17:46] <NoInternet> I have enabled internet sharing for both and ejected the drive to no avail. Any ideas?
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  • [06:34:06] <dm8tbr> handsoldered the fpga?
  • [06:35:46] <mrpackethead> yes
  • [06:35:57] <mrpackethead> actualy the hardest thign on this board is not that fpga
  • [06:36:25] <mrpackethead> theres a coupel of SC70 gates
  • [06:36:28] <dm8tbr> my hand wouldn't be steady enough for that or is that one of these where you get away with some paste and doing a *swish* with the solderin iron?
  • [06:36:51] <dm8tbr> the tiny 6pin buggers?
  • [06:37:03] <mrpackethead> if you are goign to use an iron, no point ( and painful if you do ) to use paste
  • [06:37:11] <mrpackethead> yes, those tiny 6 pins
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  • [06:37:40] <dm8tbr> I'd probably cop out and use super glue or such to keep them in place for soldering
  • [06:38:19] <mrpackethead> nah, its not hard
  • [06:38:26] <mrpackethead> just a pair of twezzers and your iron
  • [06:38:33] <mrpackethead> just put one pin down
  • [06:38:49] <dm8tbr> yeah, that helps indeed :)
  • [06:38:50] <mrpackethead> and double check its all still lined up
  • [06:38:55] <mrpackethead> and then solder
  • [06:39:19] <mrpackethead> i "spot" down a diagnoal set of pins on the tqfps
  • [06:39:33] <mrpackethead> just to make sure its all good
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  • [06:45:36] <dm8tbr> the fpga is connected to quite many pins of the expansion connector. are you using gpmc?
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  • [07:19:25] <_Sy_> Good morning.
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  • [07:20:25] <dm8tbr> good moaning
  • [07:20:53] <_Sy_> Today I'm going to put debian on the BBB
  • [07:21:09] <Defiant> easy :)
  • [07:21:38] <_Sy_> Image is transferring to SD-Card now...is there a way to create an image / backup of whats on the eMMC now?
  • [07:22:06] <Defiant> usual backup tools should apply
  • [07:22:24] <dm8tbr> you could just boot from SD and then dd the emmc to a file
  • [07:22:33] <dm8tbr> (a file on the SD)
  • [07:22:42] <Defiant> or network
  • [07:24:20] <dm8tbr> or pipe it out over UART ;)
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  • [07:26:14] <krish_> hello
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  • [07:27:56] <_Sy_> hi
  • [07:31:19] <_Sy_> Which of the distributions available is currently thought of as the best, most functional and complete for the BBB ?
  • [07:32:11] <dm8tbr> I'd expect angstrom when it comes to BBB specifics
  • [07:33:24] <_Sy_> ok, I'm having problems with building things on Angstrom, I'm told the same things build ok on debian and ubunto....last night I set static I/P addresses and DNS using connman, now everytime I reboot it doesn't remember the DNS settings.
  • [07:34:10] <dm8tbr> if you are after a general purpose distribution, then debian or ubuntU is probably easier due to the wide range of packages readily available
  • [07:34:27] <dm8tbr> hardware specific support _might_ be weaker (no idea)
  • [07:34:43] <_Sy_> All I need functional is the SD Card and Network.
  • [07:35:03] <dm8tbr> go with one of the latter two then
  • [07:39:35] <KotH> dm8tbr: y u no mention buildroot?
  • [07:39:47] <_Sy_> Preparing an ubunto microSD isn't trival is it?
  • [07:39:57] <dm8tbr> KotH: I see it compilin, I'm hatin'!
  • [07:39:58] <KotH> oh.. before i forget: JIHAD! CHOCOLATE!
  • [07:40:07] <dm8tbr> chocolate jihad!
  • [07:40:20] <dm8tbr> _Sy_: what is ubuntO?
  • [07:40:40] <KotH> dm8tbr: typo, he wanted to write ubuntoo
  • [07:40:52] <_Sy_> sorry Ubuntu
  • [07:41:06] <dm8tbr> mh, could be ubuntwo ;)
  • [07:42:17] <KotH> you mean suse? ;)
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  • [07:43:56] <_Sy_> I've noticed that since switching to connman using static I/P's that resolv.conf is cleared on system reboot, even if I use ./set_nameservers to specify DNS in connman they are still empty on reboot.
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  • [07:58:30] <_Sy_> omg, whats wrong with me???? is it me or are the instructions incorrect? http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone#BeagleBone-Ubuntu13.04%28Raring%29RootFileSystem
  • [07:58:39] <_Sy_> setting up microSD card doesn't seem correct
  • [07:59:34] <_Sy_> the microSD on my mac is disk2
  • [07:59:56] <dm8tbr> looks just fine to me
  • [07:59:57] <_Sy_> the ubuntu image is a tar not an img
  • [08:00:41] <dm8tbr> yes, that's what the page says too, isn't it?
  • [08:01:32] <_Sy_> It says Extract image, but if you extract the file from the tar.xz, there is another tar
  • [08:03:55] <_Sy_> When I type tar xjF ubuntu-13.04-minimal.armhf-2013-05-05.tar.xz I get:
  • [08:04:31] <_Sy_> tar: Error opening archive: Child process exited with status 254Child process exited with status 254
  • [08:04:59] <dm8tbr> your tar probably doesn't support xz then
  • [08:05:18] <dm8tbr> try to decompress the tar using xz first
  • [08:05:31] <dm8tbr> then 'tar xF ...' should work
  • [08:06:51] <plastygrove> when configuring gpio for input on the BBB, how do I check if it's configured with pullup or pulldown?
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  • [08:07:08] <_Sy_> ok, done that its doing something now, this is on OSX lion
  • [08:09:18] <dm8tbr> the instructions might only be tested for linux or at best some of the regular BSDs, so you might need to switch on your brain in some cases instead of flying blind
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  • [08:10:17] <marcwolf> Hi Folks. I have just got my BBB going and need some help
  • [08:10:43] <marcwolf> Basically I cannot find the 8GB SD card I slotted into the system so I can format/partition it
  • [08:11:08] <marcwolf> I am using the basic out of the box Angstrom and I plan to replace it with Debian
  • [08:11:14] <dm8tbr> tried looking under your desk?
  • [08:11:28] <marcwolf> Desk.. or Desktop.
  • [08:11:35] <marcwolf> it is alsready in the BBB
  • [08:11:40] <dm8tbr> you said you lost your sd-card
  • [08:11:58] <marcwolf> No - I cannot find the device entry for my SD Card..
  • [08:12:08] <marcwolf> So I can mount it :)
  • [08:12:11] <dm8tbr> on the beaglebone or on the PC?
  • [08:12:28] <marcwolf> On the Beaglebone Black (BBB)
  • [08:12:37] <dm8tbr> did you boot with the card inserted?
  • [08:12:48] <_Sy_> In the help for erasing microSD card, is the line dd if=/dev/zero of=${DISK} bs=1024 count=1024 correct ?
  • [08:13:02] <marcwolf> No.. As the card does not have any system on it yet the BBB will not boot with the card in
  • [08:13:03] <_Sy_> I have an 8GB microSD card
  • [08:13:12] <dm8tbr> _Sy_: it looks fine
  • [08:13:22] <_Sy_> ty, what does /dev/zero mean ?
  • [08:13:32] <dm8tbr> marcwolf: it should ignore the card and boot from the eMMC
  • [08:13:33] <marcwolf> Ok.. so /dev/zero is the actual card entry
  • [08:13:42] <dm8tbr> _Sy_: a device that only spits out '0'
  • [08:13:48] <dm8tbr> the binary kind of 0
  • [08:13:51] <_Sy_> ty
  • [08:14:01] <dm8tbr> it's used to e.g. zero out drives
  • [08:14:06] <_Sy_> as you can probably tell, my linux knowledge is little
  • [08:14:09] <dm8tbr> or create large files
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  • [08:15:31] <marcwolf> Ok - I'll tryy and boot with the card in
  • [08:16:26] <marcwolf> got 3 of the blue leds on but nothing further
  • [08:17:17] <marcwolf> Nope.. not activity - it is just sitting there
  • [08:17:58] <_Sy_> OSX lion doesn't have 'parted' is that step important?
  • [08:18:44] <risc> _Sy_: OS X is BSD based not GNU, any scripts will have to be tweaked, you could always install something like MacPorts and install the required ports to get it working
  • [08:19:37] <risc> or take the lazy option like I did and use something the Debian Wheezy eMMC flasher :P
  • [08:20:08] <risc> or an image you can dump to a uSD card using dd
  • [08:20:25] <dm8tbr> _Sy_: yes, that step is vital
  • [08:20:27] <risc> btw dd syntax is different in OS X, so be sure you know what you're doing
  • [08:20:42] <marcwolf> Can you tel me where the Bebian Wheezy flasher is. I can load it onto the card
  • [08:20:58] <_Sy_> This is turning into a major headache
  • [08:21:11] <marcwolf> Obviously the Beagleboard is not finding the inserted SD ram card
  • [08:21:14] <risc> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Flasher
  • [08:21:32] <_Sy_> going right around the houses to resolve an issue that doesn't work in Angstrom
  • [08:21:58] <dm8tbr> that is called a learning experience
  • [08:22:10] <risc> :)
  • [08:22:22] <_Sy_> My head hurts already...
  • [08:23:07] <dm8tbr> you chose a steep learning curve by trying to do this on OSX
  • [08:23:45] <risc> _Sy_ I'm using OS X here, if you don't understand the BSD command line you'll find it extremely hard :)
  • [08:23:59] <risc> the quickest way would be to use a precompiled image and dd
  • [08:24:20] <_Sy_> I'll try debian
  • [08:25:09] <_Sy_> for debain, with the img file it should be the same as the Angstrom image:
  • [08:25:13] <_Sy_> diskutil list
  • [08:25:24] <_Sy_> diskutil unmount disk
  • [08:25:37] <_Sy_> sudo dd if=image.img of=disk bs=1m
  • [08:26:39] <risc> the disk names are different when writing files, /dev/disk2s1 for example becomes /dev/rdisk2
  • [08:27:03] <risc> and you may need to do sudo diskutil unmount /dev/disk$WHATEVS
  • [08:27:43] <risc> when you first log in to Debian make sure you have locales installed, it's not on the eMMC flash image and the OS cries until it's installed :)
  • [08:28:10] <_Sy_> yep, don't this, I transferred the original Angstrom image using this procedure when I first got it
  • [08:28:41] <risc> :)
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  • [08:30:06] <_Sy_> took me quite a long time to get everything set-up just so, with mySQL working in HA synchronising between two BBB's, now I have to scrap it all and start over with Debian :(
  • [08:31:49] <risc> so why scrap it then?
  • [08:32:01] <risc> if it ain't broke, don't fix it and all that
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  • [08:32:27] <_Sy_> How can I keep it, when I reflash eMMC, won't that trash it all?
  • [08:33:05] <risc> of course, what I'm asking is - if it's working now why reflash at all?
  • [08:33:35] <_Sy_> Because I cannot get corosync, which is part of the cluster manager to compile under Angstrom
  • [08:33:46] <risc> ah
  • [08:34:01] <_Sy_> Been going around the same loop for days and cannot resolve it....
  • [08:35:01] <_Sy_> nvm, having done all the hard work once and made lots of notes in evernote, hopefully this time around it won't take long....until I get to the next show stopper
  • [08:36:29] <_Sy_> Is the way SD card availability after boot from eMMC a beaglebone issue or just an Angstrom issue as I want to boot from eMMC and use microSD for external data storage?
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  • [08:49:31] <risc> _Sy_: I hadn't tried until, now... but yeah it mounts fine
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  • [08:53:10] <marcwolf> Ok.. I have a TAR of Debian.. Now to put it onto the SD card. I am running windows
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  • [08:54:14] <risc> marcwolf: you need to extract it, 7zip can handle tars
  • [08:54:53] <Defiant> but 7zip doesn't help much in partitioning or formatting the card..
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  • [08:55:13] <marcwolf> Ok.. now have a directory of Debian.
  • [08:55:39] <risc> Defiant: well since I don't know how/what marcwolf is doing - I just answered his questions about tar ;)
  • [08:55:41] <_Sy_> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software
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  • [08:56:22] <marcwolf> I am running windows 7 and trying to put an debian image onto an SD card so I can boot it in my Beagleboard.
  • [08:57:20] <mrpackethead> i am running angstrom and i am trying to put windows 8 on an SD card to boot up a BBB. It doe'snt work, can anyone help me
  • [08:57:34] <WA2EIN> Win32DiskImager
  • [08:59:04] <marcwolf> Diskimager takes am already prepared IMG file. All I have is a directory with -bone20 files in it
  • [09:00:23] <_Sy_> waiting for eMMC to flash now...forgot how long it takes
  • [09:00:46] <risc> _Sy_: if it's the Debian eMMC flasher only a few minutes, it's very minimal
  • [09:01:08] <_Sy_> ok, its been about 2 so far
  • [09:01:09] <marcwolf> Ok.. Lets take this from the top. I have a new Beagleboard Black. It is running Angstrom. I want it to run Debian. If I put my blank SD card into the Beagle it hangs. If I boot it withut the card I then plug it in I cannot find the card on the beagle
  • [09:01:41] <_Sy_> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software <--- follow instructions on this page
  • [09:01:58] <marcwolf> I need to somehow get an IMG of Debian for the Beagleboard Black onto a card so I can boot with it
  • [09:02:30] <mrpackethead> marcwolf debian is easy
  • [09:02:34] <_Sy_> make sure you hold in the boot switch with power off, then keep it down and apply power, wait a few secs then release button...follow instructions on that page
  • [09:02:56] <risc> marcwolf: I linked to Debian images earlier
  • [09:02:57] <marcwolf> I DON"T WANT ANGSTROM!!!
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  • [09:03:07] <risc> I'm running Wheezy right now off eMMC
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  • [09:03:09] <mrpackethead> do you have a debian or ubuntu machine to create a sd-card with?
  • [09:03:21] <_Sy_> Its the same for debian, just use the debian img in place of the angstrom image
  • [09:03:25] <marcwolf> No.. I have a windows 7 machine
  • [09:03:38] <mrpackethead> well, get a real o/s not a pretend one
  • [09:03:39] <_Sy_> I also have windows 7 machine.
  • [09:04:00] <mrpackethead> but even witn windog you can create a sd-card
  • [09:04:24] <risc> marcwolf: do you want Debian booting off eMMC or uSD?
  • [09:04:31] <_Sy_> All the links and utilities are there you just have to read it
  • [09:04:47] <marcwolf> Either way is fine. Just NOT Angstrom.
  • [09:05:14] <risc> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Flasher
  • [09:05:17] <_Sy_> like I said, use the debian image file instead of the Angrsom image
  • [09:05:17] <mrpackethead> whats wrong with Angstrum
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  • [09:05:28] <mrpackethead> Angerstrum
  • [09:05:53] <risc> marcwolf: use that link I just posted, and there is a prebuilt eMMC flasher image available
  • [09:06:02] <m_billybob> Angermanagement ?
  • [09:06:15] <marcwolf> _SYS- if you go to the page you will find Angstrom images.. There are NO debian images there
  • [09:06:17] <risc> install it like normal, apt-get update && apt-get install locales on first boot
  • [09:06:27] <risc> OMFG - http://rcn-ee.net/deb/flasher/wheezy/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.0.0-2013-05-29.img.xz
  • [09:06:45] <risc> maybe I'm on ignore :)
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  • [09:07:05] <mrpackethead> maybe :-)
  • [09:08:01] <marcwolf> Yes.. I extract the XZ and get a TAR.. I extract the TAR and get a directory.. NO IMG
  • [09:08:27] <_Sy_> Are you sure you have teh debain image and not ubuntu?
  • [09:08:48] <_Sy_> the name of the file is: debian-wheezy-7.0.0-armhf-minfs-3.8.12-bone17.img
  • [09:09:05] <marcwolf> debian-7.0.0.console-armhf-2013-05-29 is the directory
  • [09:10:22] <risc> _Sy_: that's an old image :)
  • [09:10:32] <risc> 3.8.13-bone20 :P
  • [09:10:37] <risc> it's 3 bones better
  • [09:10:49] <_Sy_> really ? bugger, I'l update again :(
  • [09:11:27] <risc> try the package management before you just go reimaging :)
  • [09:11:28] <marcwolf> The reason I need Debian is that I will be using SimpleCV.. Angstrom does not have a SimpleCV libary
  • [09:12:03] <_Sy_> have you tried getting the source and building it on Angstrom?
  • [09:12:21] <mrpackethead> Angerscum is cool if you want to play
  • [09:12:33] <mrpackethead> if you ahve work to do, Debian is a good choice!
  • [09:13:21] <_Sy_> whats the package management tool in debian, yum ?
  • [09:13:31] <mrpackethead> apt-get
  • [09:13:37] <_Sy_> ty
  • [09:14:21] <marcwolf> _Sy_ I have googled for the past 3 days on this.. The developer of SimpleCV say it will not work as Angstrom cut down on a fe of the Python packages. I am using a Beagle because I need a small size and the Raspberry Pi is not fast enought.
  • [09:14:47] <mrpackethead> ahh the rasberryLie
  • [09:15:26] <Defiant> do the image processing on a fpga cape ;)
  • [09:15:41] <marcwolf> Well - I had SimpleCV running on it in 40mins and it was doing what I wanted but too slow. I haver had the Beagle for 3 days and have got... nowhere
  • [09:16:02] <mrpackethead> i had debian installed in about 20 minutes
  • [09:16:13] <mrpackethead> just read the instructions
  • [09:16:26] <marcwolf> Yes.. If you start from a existing Linux system.
  • [09:16:28] <_Sy_> mines still transferrring from sd card to emmc, taking its time :)
  • [09:16:38] <marcwolf> Angstrom does not even have SUDO???
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  • [09:18:06] <_Sy_> g2g, will be back l8r
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  • [09:18:43] <marcwolf> So.. does anyone know of a downloadable IMG for Debian that will work on the Beagleboard black..
  • [09:18:56] <Zeta__> hey
  • [09:19:21] <risc> marcwolf: yep the 1 I linked too, and am using right now
  • [09:19:37] <marcwolf> Ok risc.. Where did you find it
  • [09:19:38] <Zeta__> can anyone help me to install python on my beaglebone black (ubuntu)
  • [09:19:39] <risc> you should consider that your Windows tools aren't doing their jobs properly not that the image is at fault
  • [09:20:00] <risc> root@black:~# cat /etc/debian_version
  • [09:20:01] <risc> 7.0
  • [09:20:02] <risc> ...
  • [09:20:06] <marcwolf> If I extract a TAR I should see and IMG.. Right
  • [09:20:20] <risc> well that image I've been linking to is a .IMG.TZ
  • [09:20:30] <risc> so if you use that you'll see a .IMG :)
  • [09:21:35] <marcwolf> Right.. But I cannot find the IMG.TZ or TAR etc
  • [09:22:51] <marcwolf> Ok - refound the link and downloading.. Many thanks risc.. I'll see how it goes
  • [09:22:52] <Zeta__> i have installed the PyBBIO .But when i test the example.py i get en error
  • [09:24:15] <risc> marcwolf: now worries, and like I said before when you first log in as root do apt-get update && apt-get install locales :)
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  • [09:26:39] <risc> no worries even :)
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  • [09:51:12] <mrpackethead> risc, did you get it to work
  • [09:51:13] <mrpackethead> ?
  • [09:55:45] <risc> what?
  • [10:03:40] <marcwolf> Many thanks - I have booted from the sd card with Debian. Now to get X and other things on there
  • [10:04:17] <risc> :)
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  • [10:06:14] <marcwolf> Do you use this build?
  • [10:06:42] <mrpackethead> i have used some earlier builds
  • [10:07:18] <marcwolf> Does it have an X windows style interface
  • [10:07:30] <mrpackethead> no.
  • [10:07:34] <mrpackethead> why do you want one
  • [10:07:41] <mrpackethead> you probalby can install gnome or somethign
  • [10:08:02] <marcwolf> Yes - I will be working with computer vision and seeing the images is helpful
  • [10:08:26] <mrpackethead> maybe a laptop might be more appropriate?
  • [10:08:36] <mrpackethead> marcwolf: is this a college assingment?
  • [10:08:53] <Defiant> when I want to see a single image I use x11 network transparency.
  • [10:09:11] <marcwolf> No.. Q - how many of you have seen the movie Avatar and seen how they did the facial capture?
  • [10:09:25] <mrpackethead> not only seen the movie
  • [10:09:32] <mrpackethead> worked on the movie
  • [10:09:43] <marcwolf> Basically I am trying to do teh dame but with fewer blobs. It must be self contained and portable..
  • [10:10:07] <marcwolf> Hence SimpleCV
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  • [10:10:20] <mrpackethead> is this an assignetn?
  • [10:10:33] <marcwolf> No.. It's a hobby
  • [10:10:37] <mrpackethead> cool
  • [10:10:50] <marcwolf> Assignments and me parted ways 40 yeats ago :)
  • [10:10:55] <mrpackethead> there been a stack of people trying to get us to do their homework with opencv recnelty
  • [10:11:05] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: heh
  • [10:11:10] <marcwolf> I can understand that
  • [10:11:29] <mrpackethead> #beagle != #homework
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  • [10:12:43] <marcwolf> my first silicone pour http://www.marcwolf.org/gallery/default.aspx?moid=1693
  • [10:13:17] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: speaking of homework, would a hot air station + solder paste + average magnifier + maybe help from someone with non-shaky hands be sufficient to get the FPGA cape assembled?
  • [10:13:44] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: a regular soldering iron and solder is enough
  • [10:13:53] <mrpackethead> get some flux and some solder wick as well
  • [10:14:12] <marcwolf> Actor (myself) will be in his neck area and with a camera build into a face mask. Blobs (dots around mouth) will be picked up and used to mnove servo on characters lips. Hence real time lipsyncing
  • [10:14:39] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: you don't realize the degree of my clumsiness, I had a problem assembling a simple lm386 based amp on a stripboard a few days ago :-((
  • [10:14:56] <mrpackethead> using hot air won't make it any easier
  • [10:15:20] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: ok, that's good to know :)
  • [10:15:32] <marcwolf> I already have a prototype running using IR Leds and the camera from a WII Remote.. However making the latex lips overing and the positioning of the LED's is time consuming. Hence using colored blobs that can be quickly appied
  • [10:17:40] <mrpackethead> kfoltman: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/665208_10151641120302661_1761857687_o.jpg
  • [10:18:01] <mrpackethead> this was all done with a soldering iron, normal solder, some flux and solder wick
  • [10:18:21] <kfoltman> mrpackethead: that doesn't look any worse than soldering on, say, STM32F4DISCOVERY :)
  • [10:18:42] <mrpackethead> theres two parts that are quite fiddly
  • [10:18:46] <mrpackethead> but still quite doable
  • [10:19:18] <mrpackethead> quite a few people have asked if i'd do them assembled
  • [10:19:25] <marcwolf> One thing I did was to use one of the USB microscope to do very fine soldering
  • [10:19:52] <mrpackethead> its just technique and practice
  • [10:19:59] <mrpackethead> its all quite diable
  • [10:34:54] <mrpackethead> a few years a go, i woudl have said the same as you
  • [10:37:23] * SpeedEvil is reminded of some articles he came across bemoaning that the new parts were hard to solder.
  • [10:37:43] <SpeedEvil> impossibly fiddly.
  • [10:37:50] <SpeedEvil> talking of DIP.
  • [10:38:18] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [10:38:32] <mrpackethead> we routinely solder .4mm pitch now
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  • [10:39:32] <kblin> hi folks
  • [10:40:13] <kblin> just started playing with my beaglebone black, but I'm a bit confused with the works of that cloud9 ide
  • [10:41:09] <kblin> I'm not sure why, but sometimes the programs don't seem to run
  • [10:41:44] <mrpackethead> marcwolf: what was the user/pass you used for that debian image?
  • [10:42:45] <mrpackethead> root:root
  • [10:42:51] <mrpackethead> *of course!
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  • [10:43:49] <kblin> hm, it seems like reloading the ide page makes the bonescript code get unstuck
  • [10:50:01] <mrpackethead> i dont' get the whole angryscum-bonescript thing
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  • [10:51:38] <kblin> well, it sure is nifty to have an in-browser ide to control IO pins on the beagle
  • [10:51:58] <marcwolf> Sorta of a nod towards the Arduino crowd
  • [10:52:08] <kblin> sure, you can do this differently, but to get started easily, it's great
  • [10:53:51] <kblin> I mean I bought the thing because I like running embedded servers, but I just needed some platform that had a lot of IO pins for a building project, and being able to start prototyping by just ripping out my SD card and booting is sweet
  • [10:54:45] <marcwolf> Q.. I have an 8gb SD card which I have just put Debian Wheezy on to. How can I change the partition sizes as it looks like not all of the sd card is used
  • [10:55:13] <KotH> use gparted
  • [10:55:24] <KotH> but make a backup first
  • [10:55:25] <mrpackethead> jiHAD!
  • [10:55:31] <KotH> CHOCOLATE!
  • [10:55:42] <marcwolf> gparted command not found
  • [10:55:59] <Defiant> marcwolf: type df -h
  • [10:56:13] <KotH> marcwolf: use da p0w3r of g00gl3
  • [10:56:28] <mrpackethead> Wie ist heute Schweiz
  • [10:56:53] <marcwolf> I would - except I find a link to diskpart... which also is not on the Debian install I have
  • [10:56:58] <KotH> mrpackethead: it's the 1st of june, and all we had from summer was a summer thunderstorm last week
  • [10:57:10] <KotH> not even spring yet...
  • [10:58:00] <KotH> .o0(must sound weird to a kiwi, hearing someone complaining in june that it's not summer yet)
  • [10:58:38] <marcwolf> It's the middle of winter here
  • [10:58:53] <mrpackethead> we had a very plesant first day of winter
  • [10:59:11] * mrpackethead is very aware the world is round
  • [10:59:12] <KotH> marcwolf: ah.. an aussi!
  • [10:59:57] <KotH> mrpackethead: yeah..and you are used to chatting long distance
  • [10:59:59] <marcwolf> G'day Mate.. Chuck another Shirmp on the Barbie... Except I was born in the UK and still sound like I'm from the BBC
  • [11:00:21] <KotH> lol
  • [11:00:27] <mru> mrpackethead: yes, the periphery is circular, nobody ever said otherwise
  • [11:00:56] <KotH> http://bash.org/?142934 <- does someone remember this?
  • [11:01:45] <mru> nice
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  • [11:02:55] <KotH> mrpackethead: what stuff has a 0.4mm pitch? dfn/qfn?
  • [11:03:04] <mrpackethead> tqfps
  • [11:03:19] <KotH> huh? they left 0.5mm-land?
  • [11:03:41] <mrpackethead> there are both .5 and .4
  • [11:04:47] <KotH> and 0.63mm
  • [11:04:58] <KotH> havent seen any 0.4mm qfps yet
  • [11:05:18] <KotH> but makes sense to lose another 20% when manufacturing gets better
  • [11:05:53] <mrpackethead> im quite pleased
  • [11:06:03] <KotH> of?
  • [11:06:05] <KotH> me?
  • [11:06:08] <KotH> mru?
  • [11:06:10] <mrpackethead> debian is running stable on the bbb one the emcc
  • [11:06:11] <KotH> the weather?
  • [11:06:34] * KotH would not have expected anything else
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  • [11:07:27] <marcwolf> Ok.. I'm trying to extend the root partion on the BBB. I am running it from a 8GB SD card. lvextend is not on the system is their another command?
  • [11:07:37] <KotH> er..
  • [11:07:50] <KotH> marcwolf: you want to read up on what these different tools do and how
  • [11:08:19] <KotH> marcwolf: lvextend will _NOT_ work on your sdcard (at least not unless you did the absolutely insane thing on putting an lvm on the sdcard)
  • [11:08:26] <dm8tbr> marcwolf: huh? is it not just partitions? then fdisk and resize2fs
  • [11:08:31] <KotH> marcwolf: and you cannot resize a currently mounted partition
  • [11:08:43] <KotH> marcwolf: and definitly not the one you are running from!
  • [11:08:50] <dm8tbr> KotH: you can, reloading the partition table will fail though
  • [11:08:54] <mru> KotH: sure you can
  • [11:09:01] <KotH> since when?
  • [11:09:10] <dm8tbr> resize2fs can do online resizing
  • [11:09:11] <KotH> last time i tried, the kernel blocked all atempts
  • [11:09:31] <mru> online growing has been supported quite some time
  • [11:09:36] <KotH> hmm...
  • [11:09:36] <mru> even in ext*
  • [11:09:40] * KotH must be growing old
  • [11:09:43] <mru> xfs and jfs have supported it forever
  • [11:10:00] <marcwolf> I think a lot of the problems I am having here is that the IMG that I have downloaded for the BBB is severly crippled.
  • [11:10:12] <KotH> marcwolf: then build your own
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  • [11:10:31] <marcwolf> You can do an lvextend and then do a resize2fs
  • [11:10:37] <risc> marcwolf: crippled? it's Debian... just add what you need :P
  • [11:10:45] <KotH> marcwolf: takes about a day or two for anyone fluent in linux... a week or two for someone not fluent in linux
  • [11:10:48] <marcwolf> Sorry 0 I'nt know how to private message on here
  • [11:10:48] <mru> lvextend works on lvm volumes
  • [11:11:04] <mru> good
  • [11:11:13] * KotH just thought the same
  • [11:11:19] <dm8tbr> :>
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  • [11:12:31] <marcwolf> For me.. The Op system is a tool. One installs it and used it. Sorry if that offends. 99% of my work involves either using preconfigured packages or installing add-ons that also works. It's also one of the reasons that I Never suggest Linux as an enduser product
  • [11:12:55] <risc> marcwolf: well I think you want Ubuntu then, not Debian :P
  • [11:13:05] <KotH> marcwolf: there is nothing wrong with treating an OS like a tool
  • [11:13:08] <dm8tbr> then the embedded world might not be a convenient place...
  • [11:13:15] <KotH> marcwolf: but you still should know how to use your tools
  • [11:13:35] <KotH> marcwolf: you wouldnt use a swiss army chainsaw without knowing hot to handle it, would you?
  • [11:13:40] <marcwolf> Koth - I can use the tools IF they are available on the base system.
  • [11:13:42] <KotH> s/hot/how/
  • [11:13:52] <mru> KotH: damn, I was about to hand him a chainsaw
  • [11:14:00] <KotH> marcwolf: the base system is just another tool
  • [11:14:03] <KotH> mru: you still can
  • [11:14:09] <risc> marcwolf: do you understand how Debian works? there are 30K+ packages available... you want them all pre-installed?
  • [11:14:15] <KotH> mru: though he is not from alaska ;)
  • [11:14:21] <mru> indeed
  • [11:14:36] <mru> so there's a good chance he doesn't know how to use one
  • [11:14:39] <marcwolf> Koth - I was using Unix and Xenix prob before you were born.. Ok. I even know what CP/M is and have used/programmed in it
  • [11:15:04] <mru> *plonk*
  • [11:15:06] <KotH> mru: http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1996-07.html
  • [11:15:20] <KotH> yeah.. plonk is the right answer to that
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  • [11:17:08] <marcwolf> risc.. The basic things that one would expect is firstly a bootable systems, and secondly tools to set up and resize the harddrives.
  • [11:17:31] <risc> you have a bootable system, and access to all the tools you want using apt-*
  • [11:17:34] <risc> learn how to use Debian
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  • [11:18:18] <risc> marcwolf: just because you want something 1 way, doesn't mean the person who created the image wanted it that way... and seriously with apt-cache search and apt-get install you should be able to find everything you need
  • [11:19:36] <marcwolf> Ok.. It late here and I have been fighting it all day.. I'll call it a night. Thanks everyone for all of your advice and help
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  • [11:19:58] <risc> ...
  • [11:19:58] <mru> good riddance
  • [11:20:17] <mrpacket_> ...
  • [11:20:18] <mrpacket_> lol
  • [11:20:26] <risc> indeed
  • [11:20:41] <KotH> mru: should i have told him, that i'm actually 60 and grew up with at&t unix?
  • [11:20:49] <risc> :)
  • [11:21:12] <mru> tell him you're brian kernighan
  • [11:21:45] <mranostay> hi !
  • [11:21:53] <mrpacket_> oh, it just gets worse
  • [11:22:01] <KotH> good beerJIHAD morning mranostay
  • [11:22:11] <_troll_> hi mranostay
  • [11:22:12] <mranostay> yes effing early
  • [11:22:33] <mranostay> just go back drinking with neighbors
  • [11:22:45] <m_billybob> get busy
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  • [11:22:54] <mranostay> i should sleep
  • [11:23:01] <m_billybob> you and me both
  • [11:23:07] <mru> mranostay: trolls don't sleep
  • [11:23:10] * m_billybob hasnt ben to sleep yet
  • [11:23:14] <mranostay> drinking with interns before that.. then drinking with OTC at Intel
  • [11:23:32] <mranostay> last 12 hours have been social and drinkings..
  • [11:23:36] <mru> otc?
  • [11:24:18] <mranostay> mru: yeah Open Source Technology Center
  • [11:24:37] * mranostay got moved into that already
  • [11:24:56] <mru> over here OTC is an army thing
  • [11:25:06] <mrpacket_> drinking with interns
  • [11:25:08] <mrpacket_> mmm
  • [11:25:12] <mrpacket_> any cute ones
  • [11:25:39] <mru> mranostay: before or after drinking?
  • [11:25:42] <mru> mrpacket_: ^^
  • [11:25:52] <mranostay> mrpacket_: it is intel what you think?
  • [11:26:00] <mranostay> 95% guys
  • [11:26:11] <mrpacket_> yeah, all the cute ones are at TI
  • [11:26:19] <mrpacket_> and google
  • [11:26:38] <mranostay> at TI? never saw those
  • [11:26:48] <mranostay> and google is overrated
  • [11:27:04] <mrpacket_> i turned down a job at google
  • [11:27:04] <mru> google is overrated in just about every way
  • [11:27:25] <mrpacket_> the recruiter could'nt belive it
  • [11:27:33] <mrpacket_> " no one turns down google "
  • [11:27:43] <mru> reminds me, I haven't heard from their recruiters in a while
  • [11:27:49] <mranostay> heh i would accept google for the line on my resume
  • [11:28:26] <mru> who needs a resume?
  • [11:28:27] <mranostay> although seems nobody leaves intel on purpose
  • [11:28:34] <mrpacket_> my soul has been recovrered from the evil corporates
  • [11:28:46] <mrpacket_> and they are not having it back
  • [11:28:48] <mru> mranostay: they have a lock-in programme?
  • [11:29:04] <mru> arm has all sorts of incentives to stay
  • [11:29:09] <mru> delayed-release shares and such
  • [11:29:43] <mranostay> mru: yes kinda
  • [11:30:13] <m_billybob> mrpacket_, im with you on that
  • [11:30:54] <mranostay> personally i like intel so far.. and oregon so far
  • [11:31:11] <mru> everything is nice the first month
  • [11:31:16] <mranostay> heh
  • [11:31:38] <mranostay> not my last job.. i knew i effed up in week one :
  • [11:31:39] <mranostay> :)
  • [11:31:59] <mru> wait until all manner of policies start getting in the way of you doing your job
  • [11:32:25] <mru> and then what's usually the final drop, the annual performance review
  • [11:32:26] <mranostay> that is any company that is over 50 people
  • [11:32:46] <mru> yep
  • [11:33:08] <mranostay> you have to know how to play that shit
  • [11:33:20] <mranostay> i love the self-focal review crap :)
  • [11:33:26] <mru> but I don't want to play that game
  • [11:33:26] <m_billybob> like doing your job, and well ?
  • [11:33:35] <mru> m_billybob: has nothing to do with it
  • [11:34:07] <mranostay> m_billybob: pays well and is reasonable :P
  • [11:34:15] <mranostay> who enjoys working?
  • [11:34:20] <mru> they'll haul you over the coals for lacking 'teamwork' skills no matter what you do
  • [11:34:29] <m_billybob> I do because i work for myself :)
  • [11:34:40] <m_billybob> do what i want when i want. mostly
  • [11:34:43] <mru> or not 'communicating' well
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  • [11:35:03] <mru> m_billybob: so do I
  • [11:35:14] <mranostay> mru: yeah i find that shit annoying... meetings for hours on a task that takes half the time
  • [11:35:19] <mru> I figure if they were going to fire me, they'd have done so already
  • [11:35:37] <mranostay> i usually just do without asking.. which depends on the manager if they get pissed off
  • [11:35:58] <mranostay> i'm sure my last job i was close to getting fired... didn't care :)
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  • [11:36:46] <mranostay> mru: micromanagers blow...
  • [11:36:59] <mru> they know I don't give a shit about being fired
  • [11:37:03] <mru> it's not a threat
  • [11:37:16] <mrpacket_> lol.
  • [11:37:38] <mrpacket_> reminds me of my run in with the idiots at "un-named multinatonal IT company"
  • [11:37:48] <mranostay> btw i love i had three calls after i accpeted intel :)
  • [11:37:55] <mrpacket_> i resigned.
  • [11:37:59] <mrpacket_> the CEO called
  • [11:38:15] <mrpacket_> "what do i have to do to get you to change your mind"
  • [11:38:27] <mru> by that time it's usually too late
  • [11:38:41] <mranostay> yeah once you give notice it is too late
  • [11:38:52] <mrpacket_> " you would need a time machine and go back 18 months "
  • [11:38:55] <mru> you can always retract it
  • [11:39:02] <mru> but the reasons you did it won't go away just like that
  • [11:39:07] <mranostay> yeah
  • [11:39:12] <mrpacket_> ironically, i ended up staying
  • [11:39:18] <mrpacket_> but not as an employee
  • [11:39:19] <mranostay> bargaining chip is only plus
  • [11:39:24] <mrpacket_> i came back as a contractor
  • [11:39:32] <mrpacket_> they paid me 3x as much
  • [11:39:35] <mru> most companies have rules against that
  • [11:39:47] <mrpacket_> and i didn'nt have to deal with the stupid rules
  • [11:40:08] <mranostay> frankly this whole industry is fucked.. i just want to drain the most money possible from whoever will pay me :)
  • [11:40:28] <mrpacket_> i had turned one of their buines units aroudn from sucking $400k/month
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  • [11:40:32] <mrpacket_> to turning in a profit
  • [11:40:48] <mrpacket_> that was half of the countrys numbers
  • [11:40:56] <kfoltman> "management/JobCreators(tm) are not creating value... they're strip-mining value off employees and the society"
  • [11:41:01] <mrpacket_> they had 600 staff
  • [11:41:04] <mrpacket_> my "team" had 40
  • [11:41:17] <mrpacket_> we produced 50% of the profit for the entire company
  • [11:41:24] <kfoltman> mrpacket_: bigger than the whole engineering dept at where I work :)
  • [11:41:44] <mrpacket_> i ony had 5 high level engineer
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  • [11:42:05] <mrpacket_> the rest where process monkeys
  • [11:42:19] <mrpacket_> back in teh day when you needed data center operators
  • [11:42:20] <mranostay> teamwork is important but if the team sucks :P
  • [11:42:48] <mrpacket_> ok, its bed time
  • [11:42:58] <mranostay> you are telling me
  • [11:43:14] <mrpacket_> and i'm 19 horus ahead of you
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  • [11:46:22] <marcwolf> Hi Folks.. I think I just found out something re the installation.. Where I put the image on the sd-card... it has been moved to the eMMc is it possible to just set things up to bood from the card?
  • [11:48:37] <risc> marcwolf: if you downloaded the image I pointed to that was an eMMC flasher, on the same page there are SD card images...
  • [11:49:35] <marcwolf> sorry - can you repost link
  • [11:50:24] <risc> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian - read that and get the image you want
  • [11:50:42] <risc> originally I asked you if you wanted it on eMMC or uSD you said either, so I posted a link to an image I use and know works
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  • [11:52:51] <marcwolf> The eMMC has an issue with space. Atlease now I am runnign debian the wget etc will work
  • [11:53:52] <marcwolf> from what I can read.. (and there is a lot) I use the NetInstall
  • [11:54:53] <risc> yep, that's basically what you have on your eMMC now
  • [11:55:18] <risc> netinstall, and add the stuff you need... just don't complain if it's not included by default ;)
  • [11:55:29] <risc> if you want the kitchen sink install Ubuntu
  • [11:56:22] <marcwolf> I can see it also includes the gnome desktop. I was trying to do that install and I ran out of space hence trying to extend the partion
  • [11:56:28] <mru> risc: won't that give you just the drain pipe?
  • [11:56:59] <risc> comes with a couple of taps too :P
  • [11:57:38] <marcwolf> Basically with gnome (graphical) I can ten get SimpleCV to run and that is all I need it for.
  • [11:57:51] <risc> cool :)
  • [11:58:19] <marcwolf> Angstom did'nt support simplecv
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  • [12:12:39] <KotH> mru: i have a new thing about state machines for you: they grow like cancer
  • [12:13:15] <KotH> mru: i'm now writting the 6th statemachine for a msp430, that was supposed to have not even half as much code as it does now
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  • [12:17:36] <marcwolf> Hi Risc.. Can you check something forme.. can you got the page that had the debian installation
  • [12:18:37] <_av500_> KotH: using external program memory by now?
  • [12:18:53] <mru> bitbanging ddr yet?
  • [12:19:36] <marcwolf> In the Debian Netinstall section is am using the --dtb am335x-beaglebone option and when I run the script it is saying that that device does not exist
  • [12:20:37] <KotH> _av500_: we are thinking about attaching a floppy drive
  • [12:21:04] <marcwolf> sudo ./mk_mmc.sh --mmc /dev/mmcblk0 --dtb am335x-boneblack --distro wheezy-armhf
  • [12:22:20] <marcwolf> and I get back does not regonise device and it then give a list thay doesnt include the black
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  • [12:32:23] <_av500_> KotH: no datasette?
  • [12:32:48] <KotH> we couldnt find any working tape recoder anymore
  • [12:33:23] <KotH> and the paper tape was a little big
  • [12:34:18] * KotH just learned a new word: "automatischer Weitersender mit gesteuerter Streifenzuf?hrung"
  • [12:36:59] <dm8tbr> hah
  • [12:37:15] <dm8tbr> sounds like a telex converter for overseas connections
  • [12:38:18] <mru> my dad once found in a junk box a "voice-actuated call diverter"
  • [12:38:43] <mru> a shoebox-sized contraption with a numeric keypad and some circuitry inside
  • [12:39:01] <mru> never figured out what it did, stripped it for parts
  • [12:39:57] <KotH> that sounds like a answering machine
  • [12:40:18] <KotH> or the precursor of a dial-in mailbox system
  • [12:40:30] <mru> it was not an answering machine
  • [12:40:42] <KotH> or maybe it was just something some kid did long long ago and gave it a fancy name
  • [12:41:06] <mru> I'm sure it was a real thing
  • [12:41:08] <SpeedEvil> Or a DTMF actuated system, where you program the activation code with the keypad
  • [12:41:19] <KotH> the transmorgrifier is a real thing too!
  • [12:42:05] <mru> it was too professionally built to be a joke of some kind
  • [12:42:24] <mru> and it was found on the scrap heap at ericsson
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  • [12:44:55] <_Sy_> hi
  • [12:45:02] <mru> lo
  • [12:45:11] <_Sy_> I've just applied the debian image to my eMMC...
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  • [12:45:23] <_Sy_> it boots, but will not accept telnet connection
  • [12:45:31] <_Sy_> connection refused
  • [12:45:55] <mru> people still use telnet?
  • [12:46:09] <_Sy_> sorry I mean ssh
  • [12:46:13] * mru once had to write a telnet client in java
  • [12:47:42] <_Sy_> I'm using putty and I use telnet for a lot of devices, but the connection I had for Angstrom with IP on ssh no longer works, a dialog appears saying connection refused.
  • [12:47:58] <KotH> mru: i didnt know you were into BDSM
  • [12:48:14] <mru> KotH: I was young and needed the money
  • [12:48:55] <mru> _Sy_: maybe you forgot to make a sacrifice to the goddess of remote logins
  • [12:50:33] <mru> _Sy_: stay in the channel, please
  • [12:50:47] <_Sy_> ok
  • [12:51:02] <Rickta59> is sshd running on your beagle?
  • [12:51:14] <mru> evidently not
  • [12:51:18] <_Sy_> How can I tell ? I can't get on it at the moment
  • [12:51:26] <mru> rs232...
  • [12:51:28] <Rickta59> you don't have a serial connection?
  • [12:51:35] <_Sy_> I just wrote the flash BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.0.0-2013-05-29.img
  • [12:51:50] <Rickta59> k i have no idea what that provides
  • [12:52:09] <Rickta59> what does it say it will provide?
  • [12:52:27] <Rickta59> ip over usb?
  • [12:52:32] <Rickta59> ip on ethernet?
  • [12:52:58] <Rickta59> does it show up as a gadget?
  • [12:52:58] <_Sy_> no idea, I assumed wrongly that it would provide the same functionality as Angstrom
  • [12:53:17] <_Sy_> a window to the device opens in explorer
  • [12:53:19] <KotH> _Sy_: sacrifice money to the goddess of serial interfaces
  • [12:53:37] <KotH> explorer? are you on windows?
  • [12:53:51] <_Sy_> Yes, Windows 7 64....
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  • [12:54:04] <KotH> well...
  • [12:54:04] <Rickta59> a window .. so it mounted a drive?
  • [12:54:09] <_av500_> _Sy_: why not ask whoever made that image?
  • [12:54:11] <_Sy_> yes
  • [12:54:22] <_av500_> or ask your money back
  • [12:54:42] <Rickta59> can you go to 192.168.7.2 in a browser?
  • [12:54:46] <_av500_> or apt get install telnet
  • [12:55:06] <_av500_> Rickta59: its debian, not angstrom
  • [12:55:39] <Rickta59> i had one image that wasn't angstrom that provided that stuff .. hmm.. maybe i forget tried so many different flavors
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  • [12:55:56] <_Sy_> mmm...I fixed the IP addresses in my router according to the MAC addresses on the devices, but yes I can load
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  • [12:56:22] <_Sy_> All I see in the browser is AJAX_terminal.html
  • [12:56:33] <_Sy_> when I click on the link I'm prompted for a login
  • [12:56:35] <Rickta59> ok click on that and log in
  • [12:56:49] <Rickta59> whatever the image said was the password and userid
  • [12:57:11] <_Sy_> arm login, trying to locate password now
  • [12:57:11] <Rickta59> yeah that is a virtual login
  • [12:57:58] <Rickta59> shell in a box .. i get that also with ubuntu
  • [12:58:31] <_av500_> I guess login is disabled for security reasons
  • [12:58:37] <_av500_> these days one can never know
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  • [12:59:50] <Rickta59> try debian
  • [12:59:57] <Rickta59> and temppwd
  • [13:00:08] <Rickta59> you can't login as root
  • [13:00:21] <_Sy_> thats it, I'm in with debian and temppwd
  • [13:00:42] <Rickta59> k .. no ssh or telnet needed , just a browser
  • [13:01:01] <_Sy_> mmmm...bit painful
  • [13:01:18] <Rickta59> jeez .. it is so much better to be locked out
  • [13:01:49] <_Sy_> didn't mean that, but it won't even accept '-' so I can't type ls -l
  • [13:02:34] <Rickta59> i get a full terminal that works fine
  • [13:02:37] <Rickta59> what browser?
  • [13:02:45] <_Sy_> firefox
  • [13:02:48] <Rickta59> trry chrome
  • [13:03:25] <_Sy_> yep, works in chrome....
  • [13:03:42] <_Sy_> can I enable ssh ?
  • [13:03:52] <Rickta59> see if it is already running
  • [13:04:19] <_Sy_> doesn't look like it ps -A | grep ssh, nothing
  • [13:04:29] <Rickta59> netstat -na | grep 22?
  • [13:04:48] <_Sy_> nothing
  • [13:04:53] <Rickta59> without the ? or course
  • [13:05:00] <_Sy_> did that, nothing
  • [13:05:18] <Rickta59> you don't like the web terminal?
  • [13:06:10] <_Sy_> its ok, I guess it will do, but I'm guessing I can't use sftp to transfer files without sshd ?
  • [13:06:41] <Rickta59> you can pull stuff from the BBB
  • [13:07:03] <KotH> or just apt-get install sshd
  • [13:07:17] <KotH> it's a debian after all
  • [13:07:31] <Rickta59> so .. where do you plan to put all the mysql/corosync
  • [13:07:37] <Rickta59> is that going to fit on the eMMC drive?
  • [13:07:48] <KotH> .o0(in the cloud)
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  • [13:08:13] <Rickta59> * has been avoiding using the eMMC for anything
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  • [13:08:44] <_Sy_> I think it will fit, the data itself will go on the SD card
  • [13:09:39] <_Sy_> Do I need to run apt-get under root ?
  • [13:09:49] <_Sy_> su apt-get install sshd ?
  • [13:09:58] <Rickta59> sudo apt-get...
  • [13:10:01] <_Sy_> Got Permission denied without su
  • [13:10:06] <Rickta59> or just login as root
  • [13:10:09] <Rickta59> sudo -i
  • [13:10:42] <_Sy_> its reading package now
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  • [13:11:21] <_Sy_> Unable to locate package sshd
  • [13:11:53] <_Sy_> got ssh
  • [13:12:33] <Rickta59> not sure i got my by installing nfs-common
  • [13:14:01] <Defiant> openssh-server
  • [13:14:26] <_Sy_> yay ssh now works
  • [13:15:29] <_Sy_> any idea what the root password when first installed?
  • [13:16:14] <Rickta59> same as debian
  • [13:16:29] <_Sy_> won't let me in with temppwd
  • [13:16:41] <Rickta59> you can't login as root
  • [13:16:57] <_Sy_> is that a debian thing?
  • [13:17:05] <Rickta59> yeah .. you can set a passwd
  • [13:17:09] <Rickta59> then i think it lets you
  • [13:17:18] <_Sy_> ok.
  • [13:18:37] <_Sy_> I've changed the password for debian, are you saying you can't login as root?
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  • [13:19:04] <Rickta59> i don't i just don't do it
  • [13:19:07] <Rickta59> i login as myself
  • [13:19:11] <Rickta59> and then su
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  • [13:19:21] <Rickta59> i haven't looked into how to change it
  • [13:19:28] <Rickta59> seems like a good thing to me
  • [13:19:47] <_Sy_> ok, but then how do u change the password for root ?
  • [13:20:22] <Rickta59> i don't have the answer you would have to check debian docs
  • [13:20:52] <_Sy_> ok, sorry, for all the questions in angstrom I would use opkg list, whats the equiv in debian?
  • [13:21:09] <Defiant> easiest is to mount the sd card in your desktop,do chroot and call passwd
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  • [13:21:56] <Rickta59> i use the gui tools .. i haven't spent any time learning dpkg and apt-cache
  • [13:22:01] <sam900> you can't 'directly' chroot into an ARM rootfs from an x86/64 system
  • [13:22:29] <Rickta59> apt-cache pkgnames
  • [13:22:45] <Rickta59> apt-cache --help
  • [13:22:52] <Rickta59> apt-get --help
  • [13:22:54] <_av500_> _Sy_: there is also #debian
  • [13:23:01] <Defiant> sam900: sure you can with binfmt
  • [13:23:07] <Rickta59> dpkg --help
  • [13:24:56] <_Sy_> damit, the problem now is the debian image seems to occupy a hell of a lot more space than the Angstrom image.
  • [13:25:29] <Rickta59> there is a reason they use angstrom on the eMMC
  • [13:25:32] <mru> that's kind of the point of angstrom
  • [13:25:57] <_Sy_> Angstrom would be the natural choice if it worked, but a lot of it doesn't.
  • [13:26:00] <Rickta59> my suggestion would be leave angstrom on the eMMC
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  • [13:26:13] <Rickta59> and put other "test" os spins on the sdcard
  • [13:26:38] <Rickta59> that way you always have a bootable device by just pulling the crd
  • [13:26:42] <Rickta59> sdcard
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  • [13:29:44] <_Sy_> All very annoying, now have to go back to Angstrom image then set-up debian on SD card...
  • [13:30:47] <Rickta59> sorry, i wouldn't have expected you to load debian on the eMMC
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  • [13:31:03] <maycol> hello
  • [13:31:32] <maycol> i nhel me with my beaglebone black
  • [13:31:40] <maycol> i nedd help
  • [13:33:17] <keesj> what kind of help?
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  • [13:34:29] <KotH> probably of the helping kind ;)
  • [13:34:39] <mru> meta-help
  • [13:34:54] <mru> he needs help asking a question
  • [13:34:56] <KotH> maycol: state what problem you have, what you have tried to do, why it failed, etc pp
  • [13:35:15] <KotH> mru: that would be helpfull indeed
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  • [13:37:54] <keesj> perhaps help reading the topic of the chat channel?
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  • [13:41:23] <WA2EIN> anybody doing pin-muxing with Angstrom demo image?
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  • [13:41:42] <WA2EIN> I want to enable UART1 & 2
  • [13:42:08] <KotH> is there a bbb faq somewhere?
  • [13:44:43] <KotH> WA2EIN: http://www.google.com/search?q=beaglebone+black+uart
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  • [13:52:20] <brendan_> how do I know if my eMMC is flashing? I followed the directions like 5 times but i don't think its working
  • [13:52:34] <brendan_> i let it run for an hour and all for lights never turn on
  • [13:52:44] <brendan_> or stay on
  • [13:54:34] <WA2EIN> brendan if you are using the latest img, you need to also hold down the power button to get it started
  • [13:55:05] <WA2EIN> if working, after a while, you should see heavy use of the MMMc LED
  • [13:55:19] <WA2EIN> KotH TY
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  • [15:22:09] <navaati> hi
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  • [15:23:19] <navaati> after powering-on my beaglebone black, it starts to boot, the kernel's heartbeat appears, then it suddenly shutdowns (every led, even the power one, goes off)
  • [15:23:30] <navaati> after a couple of seconds
  • [15:23:58] <navaati> if i don't plug ethernet, it stays stable (but i can't access it through ssh, so it's useless)
  • [15:24:18] <navaati> any idea what it means ?
  • [15:25:11] <mastiff> i had similar problems when I didn't let the reflashed SD card finishing loading onto the onboard storage
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  • [15:37:01] <navaati> mastiff: what do you mean ? the emmc is not used in my situation, i'm trying to boot from sd
  • [15:37:23] <navaati> (oh, i thought i said it but actually no)
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  • [15:40:50] <samch> hello
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  • [15:41:11] <samch> crontad in beaglebonebalk is working?
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  • [15:42:39] <mastiff> You might be trying to boot from SD, but actually be reflashing the eMMC.
  • [15:42:55] <mastiff> Not sure exactly what you are doing, just something to check.
  • [15:44:14] <mastiff> Put the SD in, power up and let it sit for an hour. Then power down, take the SD out and see if it boots up normally.
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  • [15:46:55] <navaati> do you mean, without pushing the boot button
  • [15:46:59] <navaati> ?
  • [15:47:04] <mastiff> yeah
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  • [15:55:38] <brendan_> Anyone know why I keep getting device not recognized on my BBB when i plug into my computer?
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  • [17:01:09] <mhaberler> BeagleBone + BeBoPr + LinuxCNC + MendelMax Printing : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2IoHOZipLU
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  • [17:03:35] <_Sy_> Very nice
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  • [17:14:05] <mranostay> morning
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  • [17:15:34] <mranostay> av500: pm me your post address
  • [17:15:34] <_Sy_> where r u, its 18:15 here
  • [17:16:06] <mranostay> UGT
  • [17:16:23] <mranostay> Oregon, US if it matters
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  • [17:18:11] <maxinux> neat re 3d printer working with it
  • [17:18:24] <mru> GMT for ever
  • [17:18:24] <_Sy_> Whats the weather like, so far its been a terrible summer
  • [17:18:35] <maxinux> been pretty great here in the sunny bay area :)
  • [17:18:36] <mru> sunshine here
  • [17:18:46] <_Sy_> yep, would like a 3D printer myself, can't really justify the price yet.
  • [17:18:51] * maxinux 's mendelmax is still ramps controlled behind him
  • [17:19:14] <_Sy_> yesterday was good, today is cold and cloudy again
  • [17:19:15] <Rickta59> are you going to change that to a BBB maxinux ?
  • [17:19:28] <maxinux> doubtful, i see no benefit to changing it out
  • [17:19:37] <maxinux> i do remote controlled printing as is
  • [17:19:41] <maxinux> print via sd
  • [17:19:57] <mru> _Sy_: wrong part of the country
  • [17:20:04] <mranostay> mru: get that tattooed
  • [17:20:35] <_Sy_> its going to revolutionise industry...getting customer cases made is very expensive, yet with a 3d printer you can make your own.
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  • [17:20:59] <maxinux> i dunno about that
  • [17:21:08] <maxinux> its still expensive to print, and reliability.. is .. not there yet
  • [17:21:18] <maxinux> my stuff is pretty reliable, but always run into odd issues
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  • [17:22:36] <Rickta59> i'm waiting for the 3d printer that has tubes for chips and spools of wire so it can make a block of electronics no pcb required
  • [17:22:37] <_Sy_> getting custom boxes made in small quanties is extremely expensive.
  • [17:23:03] <_Sy_> I'd like a star trek voyager style replicator :)
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  • [17:26:46] * SpeedEvil states 'Tea, earl grey, hot' into the middle distance.
  • [17:27:27] <_Sy_> Thats next gen isn't it, pickard ?
  • [17:33:57] <fiola> Hey, keep your voice down, that triggered my replicator.
  • [17:34:58] * fiola sends an override to turn the earl grey into a coffee
  • [17:36:52] <fiola> Hmmm, bergamot-flavoured coffee. I guess the override script needs some attention.
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  • [17:43:44] <_Sy_> Resistance is futile fiola you will be assimulated!
  • [17:44:49] <fiola> Eeek
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  • [17:46:53] <fiola> Sun just popped out, defer the assimilation! 3 mins should be more than enough.
  • [17:49:39] <_Sy_> make it so no.1
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  • [17:57:13] * fiola rolls eyes at the snoring coming from No. 1' seat and smirk of amusement from Communications. Spok just looks confused.
  • [17:59:52] <_Sy_> :)
  • [18:01:29] <mranostay> are you guys high right now?
  • [18:01:58] <_Sy_> as a kite :)
  • [18:02:59] <fiola> Of course we are. ST was a cultural high :-)
  • [18:04:03] <_Sy_> Really enjoyed the new movie too
  • [18:04:29] <fiola> Not seen, good?
  • [18:04:57] <_Sy_> very good
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  • [18:05:12] <_Sy_> won't spoil the plot but definately worth seeing
  • [18:05:18] <fiola> Cheers
  • [18:06:54] <_Sy_> Got both systems (BBB's) back to eMMC Angstrom image, both doing updates atm, no further forward getting corosync to work, have setup virtual machine running Ubuntu, will use this for cross platform dev.
  • [18:07:16] <_Sy_> If I have ubuntu on SD card does that mean that if I want to boot from SD card I have to hold down button?
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  • [18:15:34] <dm8tbr> _Sy_: either that or you can modify uenv or mlo
  • [18:16:22] <_Sy_> uenv ? mlo ?
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  • [18:27:33] <dm8tbr> http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/02/15/gumstix-introduces-geppetto-web-platform-to-design-custom-embedded-boards/ nuhu, I wonder how well that works...
  • [18:27:50] <dm8tbr> mru: evening entertainment secured?
  • [18:29:04] <mranostay> can you guys not talk so loud?
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  • [18:33:01] <shapr> I think I read in the system reference manual that the BBB can toggle power to its USB port, does anyone know more?
  • [18:33:12] <shapr> I have a USB plasma ball and I want to use it for an indicator
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  • [18:46:23] <_Sy_> the update of angstrom is taking so long this time around, makes me thing either it didn't update properly the first time around or something is wrong this time.
  • [18:46:34] <_Sy_> But both boards are doing the same.
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  • [19:04:05] <mranostay> oh noes alan_o
  • [19:04:23] * alan_o lurks in the shadows.....
  • [19:05:05] <mranostay> ok hangover over
  • [19:05:16] <alan_o> so it has been declared
  • [19:06:03] <mranostay> ok a few hours till the round #2
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  • [19:09:19] <mranostay> alan_o: what are you up to these days?
  • [19:09:29] <mranostay> switch to x86 only yet? :P
  • [19:12:05] <alan_o> hehe
  • [19:12:17] <alan_o> is that what you're evangelizing now?
  • [19:12:39] <mranostay> alan_o: you know who i work for now right? :)
  • [19:12:39] <alan_o> I've been doing a lot of firmware recently.
  • [19:12:45] <alan_o> (I know)
  • [19:12:59] <alan_o> I'm your linkedin stalker, remember?
  • [19:13:17] <alan_o> Interestingly, they sent me an email about your new job, but not about mdp's
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  • [19:21:48] <mranostay> alan_o: because linkedin knows ARM is a fad
  • [19:21:59] <alan_o> hehe
  • [19:22:01] <mranostay> Jayneil: x86 is where it is at right?
  • [19:22:03] <mranostay> :)
  • [19:22:22] <alan_o> mdp told me ppc is where it's at
  • [19:22:52] <mranostay> heh
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  • [19:26:01] <mastiff> won't be long before Intel has a fanless x86 that's competitive with ARM I'd bet
  • [19:26:55] <mranostay> mastiff: yes we will
  • [19:29:44] <alan_o> mastiff: I think they'll be licensing ARM cores soon.
  • [19:29:51] * alan_o ducks
  • [19:30:25] <alan_o> ok, off to get some food....
  • [19:34:25] <KotH> mastiff: intel has been trying to get into the low power embedded business for as long as i can remember, starting from the E series 186, over the i386ex, odd stuff like the i860 and i960, etc pp
  • [19:34:41] <KotH> mastiff: i doubt they will succeed now, when they have been failing for at least 20 years
  • [19:35:37] <KotH> alan_o: intel has licensed arm cores before. the xscale chips were arm
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  • [19:40:29] <SpeedEvil> I have a 386ex based GPS
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  • [19:52:58] <mastiff> Probably will be most competitive between ARM and x86 in stuff like fast tablets where you want laptop like performance.
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  • [19:55:38] <_Sy_> What can I do about this Collected errors: * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for udev-dev: * udev (= 182-r1.1) * * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package udev-dev.
  • [19:56:26] <mastiff> had the same problem, think I solved it by adding more repositories for opkg
  • [19:56:41] <KotH> mastiff: nah..
  • [19:56:55] <KotH> mastiff: x86 stuff uses too much power for tablets
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  • [19:57:18] <KotH> mastiff: i rathere see there a competition between mips and arm... but then, mips lost that race long ago
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  • [19:58:35] <KotH> .o0(damn you google! use one simple search term and end up with 70 more documents on your harddisk)
  • [19:59:47] <mastiff> if you're trying to reduce your google dependency, try duckduckgo, works well for most stuff I think
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  • [20:01:37] <RatinDawg> Does anybody know how to get X loaded on the BBB which is running Ubuntu 13.04 ?
  • [20:01:51] <KotH> mastiff: googles results were already quite bad... ddg is much worse
  • [20:02:31] <KotH> RatinDawg: loaded as in downloaded or loaded as in started?
  • [20:03:38] <mastiff> is use ddg for most things, but google is better for searching obscure error codes and such
  • [20:03:59] <KotH> mastiff: my obscure error codes are called crystal oscillators :)
  • [20:04:36] <mastiff> broad subject, you looking for parts or learning about them?
  • [20:04:41] <_Sy_> does anyone know where I can get libnss-dev from? it doesn't appear in the package list
  • [20:05:03] <KotH> mastiff: generally: how to build high performance oscillators
  • [20:05:42] <KotH> mastiff: especially: what are the different oscillator circuits, and what are their advantages/disadvantages in terms of phase noise and stability
  • [20:05:59] <mastiff> Sounds like textbook type material.
  • [20:06:16] <mastiff> Might be in the amature radio handbook as well, and that's free.
  • [20:06:20] <KotH> if you know a textbook, i'd like to hear about it :)
  • [20:06:30] <KotH> ham's dont go to that level :)
  • [20:06:39] <KotH> (usually)
  • [20:06:54] <mastiff> You'd be surprised.
  • [20:06:57] <mastiff> Most don't
  • [20:07:14] <KotH> mastiff: google for time-nuts
  • [20:07:23] <KotH> mastiff: that's the level where i'm looking for stuff :)
  • [20:07:45] <KotH> er...
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  • [20:07:52] <KotH> mastiff: i mean "duckduck for time-nuts"
  • [20:07:54] <mastiff> You could also look at dev boards that have the type of oscillator circuits you want , to get some implementation ideas.
  • [20:07:55] <KotH> ;)
  • [20:08:51] <KotH> mastiff: the "dev boards" with circuits i would want to have a look at look like this: http://www.oscilloquartz.com/file/pdf/8607.pdf
  • [20:09:02] <KotH> mastiff: and they cost as much as a car
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  • [20:09:23] <samch> hllo
  • [20:09:25] <samch> hello
  • [20:09:29] <samch> i have a question
  • [20:09:41] <KotH> hi, maybe we have an answer
  • [20:09:46] <samch> i saw the encapsulate nomenclature
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  • [20:10:10] <samch> and my beaglebone black is build with an experimental procesor
  • [20:10:49] <samch> XAM3359AZCZ100
  • [20:10:52] * KotH didnt know that there was an experimantal version of the AM3359
  • [20:11:16] <samch> YES
  • [20:11:21] <samch> is a experimental
  • [20:11:23] <KotH> ah.. pre-series production
  • [20:11:38] <samch> no qualifed version
  • [20:11:50] <samch> i buy a item experimental
  • [20:11:57] <mastiff> Mine also has the X prefix
  • [20:12:01] <samch> what happen?
  • [20:12:14] <KotH> world came to an end last december
  • [20:12:36] <KotH> samch: if you want to know about your processor, go to ti
  • [20:12:39] <samch> i buy my bealglebone black 1 month ago
  • [20:12:47] <KotH> samch: they have a whole webpage with all intricate details about it
  • [20:13:07] <KotH> samch: they even tell you what the X exactly means
  • [20:13:13] <mastiff> That's a serious oscillator! What are the applications that justify the price?
  • [20:13:17] <samch> Koth, i saw in the datasheet
  • [20:13:27] <samch> that the X mean Experimental Device
  • [20:13:36] <_Sy_> have found source to nss ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/security/nss/releases/NSS_3_14_3_RTM/src/nss-3.14.3-with-nspr-4.9.5.tar.gz
  • [20:13:56] <_Sy_> using wget to download to BBB, will extract and build, see if that helps
  • [20:14:07] <mastiff> I'm interested in accurate timekeeping for navigation purposes (sailing).
  • [20:14:18] <KotH> mastiff: anything where you need high stability (it beats a H-Maser up to a second or two)
  • [20:14:41] <KotH> samch: ask TI or cco
  • [20:14:52] <mastiff> a good movie on development of accurate clocks is called "Longitude"
  • [20:15:08] <KotH> all our ti and cco guys are currently asleep, drunk or otherwise involved in stuff you dont really want to know
  • [20:15:24] <KotH> mastiff: the book is on my todolist
  • [20:15:30] <KotH> mastiff: er.. to-buy-and-read-list
  • [20:15:51] <mastiff> didn't know it was originally a book
  • [20:16:00] <KotH> _Sy_: are you sure that's the right nss?
  • [20:16:01] <mastiff> movie was made for TV with Jeromy Irons
  • [20:16:10] <KotH> _Sy_: that's a security library, not a name resolving library
  • [20:16:21] <samch> i want return my beaglebone black,
  • [20:16:33] <samch> the dma for usb don??t work
  • [20:16:40] <KotH> eh..
  • [20:16:48] <samch> and the microprocesor is experimental serie
  • [20:17:07] <KotH> samch: IIRC dma has been added to the kernel just recently
  • [20:17:16] <KotH> samch: if you want to return it, talk to the guy you bought it from
  • [20:17:34] <samch> Degikey
  • [20:17:43] <_Sy_> to be honest no idea, I would imagine it could be the thing I need as its for a clustering manager.
  • [20:17:57] <dm8tbr> meh, the X-runs are usually just fine
  • [20:17:58] <mastiff> why do you think the experimental series processor is a problem?
  • [20:18:01] <samch> what is the version of the kernel with DMA
  • [20:18:03] <samch> ?
  • [20:18:04] <KotH> _Sy_: have a look at the README/INSTAL/WHATEVER that lists the dependencies
  • [20:18:18] <KotH> samch: i dont know... i dont have a bbb
  • [20:18:24] <KotH> samch: i just read people talking about it here
  • [20:18:32] * dm8tbr knows commercial products using X-runs of TI silicon
  • [20:18:33] <mastiff> From what I read, this processor is only being used in the BBB.
  • [20:18:35] <KotH> samch: but as i said, those guys are currently not available
  • [20:18:51] <mrpacket_> morning.
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  • [20:19:04] <KotH> wonderfull JIHAD; mrpacket_
  • [20:19:08] <mrpacket_> KotH: what do you do other than #beagle and chocolate
  • [20:19:15] <samch> mastiff because experimental device is not a comercial device
  • [20:19:16] <mastiff> cheers, got an envelope from you today.
  • [20:19:19] <samch> is a beta
  • [20:19:26] <samch> no the comercial device
  • [20:19:29] <KotH> mrpacket_: uhnmm... i study psychology?
  • [20:19:36] <KotH> mrpacket_: why do you ask?
  • [20:19:36] <mrpacket_> ha..
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  • [20:20:15] <KotH> samch: sorry if you are not satisfied with the bbb
  • [20:20:24] <KotH> samch: as i said, if you really want to return it, talk to digikey
  • [20:20:34] <KotH> samch: i have no idea what their return policy is
  • [20:20:35] <mastiff> samch: send it back if you think you can find something better for $45.
  • [20:20:50] <_Sy_> "NSS encryption performs more poorly then the default encryption, but may be a good choice if your organization has policies regarding encryption technology requiring the use of a common cryptographic library such as Netscape Security Services."
  • [20:20:59] <samch> i am realice my final proyect with the beaglebone blacj
  • [20:21:09] <samch> dont have time for changing the sistem
  • [20:21:19] <KotH> _Sy_: yes?
  • [20:21:34] <KotH> samch: ok, what do you want then?
  • [20:21:47] <_Sy_> apparently there is an option to pass co configure to disable it --disable-nss, I'm sure I've tried that and it still failed.
  • [20:21:49] <KotH> samch: you dont want to switch to another system, but you dont want to have a bbb either?
  • [20:22:06] <KotH> _Sy_: oh.. broken configure scripts/dependency handling
  • [20:22:57] <mastiff> you guys done any BBB bluetooth testing yet?
  • [20:23:21] <_Sy_> is says unrecognised option --disable-nss
  • [20:23:24] <mrpacket_> another satisified BBB customer it seems
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  • [20:24:19] <mrpacket_> KotH: i got the X on mine too
  • [20:24:20] <mrpacket_> :)
  • [20:24:28] <samch> Koth, a can??t change the system with 1 week
  • [20:24:59] <samch> i try to resolve the insues
  • [20:25:02] <mrpacket_> samch, is the device doing something badly, or wrong?
  • [20:25:13] <samch> mrpacket, the DMA
  • [20:25:30] <samch> i can??t use a webcam in Hd resolution
  • [20:25:51] <KotH> ah.. that's the problem
  • [20:26:02] <KotH> samch: come back monday morning, US time
  • [20:26:05] <mrpacket_> let me guess your using this for a project using OpenCV
  • [20:26:14] <KotH> samch: then the guys who will able to help you will be here
  • [20:26:30] <mrpacket_> old problem, ( well a few weeks old ) and i belive its sorted otu
  • [20:26:50] <samch> yes i am using opencv
  • [20:27:11] <KotH> mrpacket_: yeah.. sounds very much like a student asignment which run into performance problems... and now the X in the cpu part number is to blame
  • [20:27:12] <samch> but only work in low resolution
  • [20:27:31] <samch> and only is posible conect 1 webcam
  • [20:27:45] <mrpacket_> samch, theres a channel that can help you
  • [20:27:58] <mastiff> samch: are you using the Derek Molloy's tutorial?
  • [20:28:00] <samch> ph student
  • [20:28:05] <mrpacket_> not many people in it, but if you go there and wait, they will turn up when they wake up
  • [20:28:07] <samch> phd student
  • [20:28:09] <mranostay> alan_o: how dare you
  • [20:28:14] <mrpacket_> #beagle.eyes
  • [20:28:15] <samch> with 2 degree
  • [20:28:37] <mrpacket_> I have a first aid certificate, does that help
  • [20:28:43] <KotH> samch: uhmm.. may i ask an inconvenient question: why didnt you do a couple of performance tests first, when you got the board?
  • [20:28:54] <mastiff> I have a big merit badge collection.
  • [20:29:00] <KotH> lol
  • [20:29:05] <_Sy_> was going to post configure into pastein, but its too big.
  • [20:29:14] <KotH> _Sy_: ouch...
  • [20:29:16] <_Sy_> *pastebin
  • [20:29:27] <KotH> _Sy_: i didnt know pastebin had a limit ^^'
  • [20:29:31] <mrpacket_> samch: the trolls eat degrees for breakfast.
  • [20:29:42] <_Sy_> Yep, pro version isn't limited but isn't free
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  • [20:29:50] <KotH> mrpacket_: only because they know that a degree by itself is worthles :)
  • [20:30:05] <_Sy_> configure script is over 23,000 lines
  • [20:30:06] <samch> ok
  • [20:30:06] <KotH> _Sy_: use another pastebin service, there are tons out there
  • [20:30:17] <samch> it is no the same in Spain
  • [20:30:27] <mrpacket_> KotH: :-)
  • [20:30:41] <samch> in Spain we have to studi 5 years
  • [20:30:41] <KotH> samch: it is the same everyhwere
  • [20:30:52] <samch> and for the phd
  • [20:30:57] <samch> 4 year mor
  • [20:31:00] <KotH> samch: a degree means only you have successfully convinced your professors that you should graduate
  • [20:31:01] <samch> 4 year more
  • [20:31:15] <samch> graduate with master
  • [20:31:17] <KotH> samch: whether you actually know anything, is a totaly different matter
  • [20:31:22] <mastiff> so are you using derek molloy's tutorial for your phd project?
  • [20:31:33] <samch> i don??t know what is the equivalent in other countries
  • [20:31:46] <mrpacket_> KotH: I am doing Masters degrees for $89, Phds for $129
  • [20:31:57] <mrpacket_> very very genuine product
  • [20:32:11] <KotH> mrpacket_: cool.. i could use a phd
  • [20:32:18] <_Sy_> ok, can someone plz take a look at this... http://paste2.org/EjJ13LOz specifically why the --disable- switch doesn't work.
  • [20:32:22] <KotH> mrpacket_: can we do payment in chocolate?
  • [20:32:25] <mrpacket_> sure.
  • [20:32:31] <mrpacket_> as long as its good chocolate
  • [20:32:40] <samch> ok
  • [20:33:01] <KotH> samch: hint: stop whining and actually give _information_ on what your problem is
  • [20:33:20] <KotH> samch: as i said, you will not impress anyone with your degrees
  • [20:33:44] <KotH> samch: especially not here, where students (both masters and phd) are known to not being able to think for themselves
  • [20:34:03] <mrpacket_> samch, we get asked this stuff, at least 4 times a day by students, all who are trying to make opencv work with a camera to do some CV prooject
  • [20:34:15] <KotH> samch: and we are not talking about indian or chinese students (although the later seem to be rather compatent in comparison to others)
  • [20:34:24] <_Sy_> I've interviewed plenty of people with phd's and to be honest, they were all pretty useless.
  • [20:34:25] <KotH> copmetent*
  • [20:34:35] <KotH> _Sy_: depends for what
  • [20:34:37] <_av500_> croptement?
  • [20:34:47] <_Sy_> as coders
  • [20:34:51] <KotH> yeah
  • [20:34:54] <mrpacket_> I learned how to drink beer and coffee at University
  • [20:34:58] <KotH> phd's suck at doing ground work
  • [20:35:32] <_av500_> KotH: some do ground beans pretty well
  • [20:35:34] <samch> the opencv work
  • [20:35:38] <samch> the system work
  • [20:35:40] * KotH learned not to follow mru into any room with a raised floor, while he is carying a shotgun
  • [20:35:44] <samch> but the DMA no
  • [20:35:46] <mrpacket_> KotH: 5 points per name for famous and sucessful people with a degree
  • [20:35:51] <_Sy_> I set a pretty simple aptitude test...which involved decoding a binary file, I even gave them a description of the structure and data types, but they all failed to come close in the time given which was 2 hours.
  • [20:36:02] <mrpacket_> Bill Gates.. famous for creating windogs and making a lot of $$$
  • [20:36:05] <samch> and with the problem of DMA i can??t used a HD camera
  • [20:36:18] <KotH> mrpacket_: does heisenberg, einstein, werner von braun, etc count? :)
  • [20:36:20] <mrpacket_> Steve Jobs.. Famous for making i-stuff
  • [20:36:34] <mrpacket_> Edison.. he had a bright idea
  • [20:36:38] <_av500_> phd bashing is boring
  • [20:36:49] <KotH> _Sy_: woha! why put the whole configure on pastebin?
  • [20:36:54] <mrpacket_> KotH: lets pick on _av500_ then
  • [20:36:55] <KotH> _Sy_: rather show us the error message
  • [20:37:02] <_av500_> mrpacket_: go ahead
  • [20:37:07] <KotH> mrpacket_: i'm afraid of _av500_
  • [20:37:11] <KotH> mrpacket_: he has wings!
  • [20:37:20] <_Sy_> ok, I'll create another
  • [20:37:31] <_av500_> samch: dma is being worked on
  • [20:37:34] <_av500_> eta unknown
  • [20:37:40] <mrpacket_> Todays beagle task will be to get the BCC working with it
  • [20:37:45] <KotH> _av500_: isnt it done already?
  • [20:37:48] <_av500_> no idea
  • [20:37:53] <kfoltman> mrpacket_: BCC?
  • [20:37:54] <KotH> _av500_: i thought i read something like that
  • [20:37:59] <_av500_> samch: if you cannot do HD, do VGA
  • [20:38:06] <_av500_> leaves you more mips for your openCV anyway
  • [20:38:53] <KotH> time to sleep for little phd-less KotH
  • [20:38:56] <mranostay> _av500_: your address troll!
  • [20:39:08] <KotH> night boys, girls, trolls and trollettes
  • [20:39:56] <_av500_> KotH: sweet dreams
  • [20:40:06] <_av500_> in case you dream of chocolate
  • [20:40:26] <KotH> too much sugar in chocolate isnt good for its taste ;)
  • [20:40:32] <KotH> but thanks :)
  • [20:40:37] <mranostay> KotH: dream of chocolate beer
  • [20:40:49] * KotH stabs mranostay with a chocolate knife
  • [20:41:02] <_av500_> sweet way to die
  • [20:42:29] <_Sy_> http://paste2.org/WpM11HYx hopefully this together with the other post will help.
  • [20:42:40] <mranostay> murder weapon melts away too
  • [20:43:04] <mastiff> mrpacket: I got my BCC boards and digikey parts today.
  • [20:43:14] <mrpacket_> cool
  • [20:43:24] <mastiff> Forgot to order the headers, digikey was out of those.
  • [20:43:45] <mastiff> Found 'em at adafruit though...
  • [20:45:05] <mastiff> have you guys been using solder paste or rosen core for soldering the FPGA onto the board?
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  • [20:45:53] <mastiff> I think eric said lots of flux and regular solder, but wanted to double check.
  • [20:46:13] <mrpacket_> mastiff: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/665208_10151641120302661_1761857687_o.jpg
  • [20:46:13] <dm8tbr> that's what he said, yes
  • [20:47:10] <mrpacket_> all hand placed, just using my iron and 70/30 regular solder,
  • [20:47:22] <mrpacket_> and flux
  • [20:47:59] <_av500_> mrpacket_: 0.65 or 0.5?
  • [20:48:11] <mrpacket_> either or
  • [20:48:15] <_av500_> right
  • [20:48:17] <mrpacket_> shld'nt make much differnece
  • [20:48:23] <_av500_> both if you drop it :=
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  • [20:48:46] <mrpacket_> solder diamter does'nt make much difference
  • [20:48:58] <_av500_> I meant the pin pitch
  • [20:49:00] <mastiff> I already have solder paste, would there be any advantage to using that, or easier just to use regular solder?
  • [20:49:01] <mrpacket_> oh..
  • [20:49:16] <mrpacket_> mastiff: well, if you have paste and a reflow oven
  • [20:49:20] <mrpacket_> that is another way to do thing
  • [20:49:37] <mrpacket_> i just did this one by hand to proove that it can be done
  • [20:49:44] * _av500_ uses the collophonium method
  • [20:49:46] <mastiff> seems like the solder paste would hold parts in position for soldering with the iron, but I've only used paste with a stencil, not by hand
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  • [20:50:28] <mrpacket_> personally i would have perferred to have got these boards finished in HASL
  • [20:50:32] <mrpacket_> rather than gold ENIG
  • [20:50:40] <mrpacket_> gold ENIG is great for machine placing
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  • [20:50:51] <mrpacket_> not so good when you are hand solering
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  • [20:53:51] <mastiff> Do you hold the SMD caps and resistors in place with tweezers while you solder each side?
  • [20:54:02] <_av500_> yes
  • [20:54:27] <mastiff> tack the corners of the ICs?
  • [20:55:05] <_av500_> sure
  • [20:55:35] <_av500_> soldr 2 corners
  • [20:55:59] <mranostay> _av500_: drugs are in the mail
  • [20:56:07] <mranostay> er.. i mean protoboard
  • [20:56:08] <_av500_> omg
  • [20:56:12] <_av500_> thx
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  • [20:57:46] <wololo> had anyone got unbuntu to work on the Beaglbone black?
  • [20:57:59] <mrpacket_> here we go
  • [20:58:26] <mrpacket_> mastiff: theres heaps of good videos on youtube
  • [20:58:34] <wololo> thanks a ton
  • [20:58:50] <mranostay> i swear who doesn't know about google?
  • [20:59:02] <mrpacket_> how to place and solder SMD parts
  • [21:00:09] <_av500_> wololo: yes, people have
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  • [21:00:24] <mrpacket_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uiroWBkdFY
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  • [21:02:53] <mrpacket_> got to love the high energy music
  • [21:03:01] <mrpacket_> on the "how to solder video"
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  • [21:05:02] <Rickta59> so is anyone keeping a list of tutorials for the BBB?
  • [21:05:16] <Rickta59> i'm mainly building up a list of sites to avoid
  • [21:06:07] <router> I want see the booting message on ttyS2 and show up image on my HDMI monitor. What should i put in my uEnv.txt?
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  • [21:06:49] <router> I am using BeagleBoard XM rev C2
  • [21:06:59] <mrpacket_> hello router. heres a packet.
  • [21:07:23] <router> hi mrpacket. thank you
  • [21:07:28] <dm8tbr> also it's ttyO2 nowadays
  • [21:07:38] <mrpacket_> router: did you send it to dev/null
  • [21:07:40] <Rickta59> i ack that packet mrpacket_
  • [21:07:44] <mrpacket_> or did you send it somewhere useful
  • [21:07:55] <router> send what to dev/null?
  • [21:08:00] <mrpacket_> the packet
  • [21:08:01] <router> i am new
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  • [21:08:32] <router> what parameter should I put in my uEnv.txt?
  • [21:08:33] <mrpacket_> new to #beagle.
  • [21:08:44] <router> new to beagleboard
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  • [21:08:57] <mrpacket_> i woud'nt think you need to change it at all
  • [21:09:30] <router> nothing show up on my HDMI monitor. The monitor keeps blanking and displays NO signal message
  • [21:09:41] <router> dvimode="hd720 omapfb.vram=0:8M,1:4M,2:4M "
  • [21:10:02] <router> angstrom 2010.7
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  • [21:12:32] <samch> hello boy again
  • [21:12:39] <samch> ti said:
  • [21:12:42] <samch> X and P devices and TMDX development-support tools are shipped against the following disclaimer: "Developmental product is intended for internal evaluation purposes." Production devices and TMDS development-support tools have been characterized fully, and the quality and reliability of the device have been demonstrated fully. TI's standard warranty applies. Predictions show that prototype devices (X or P) have a greater failure rate t
  • [21:13:13] <samch> Predictions show that prototype devices (X or P) have a greater failure rate than the standard production devices. Texas Instruments recommends that these devices not be used in any production system because their expected end-use failure rate still is undefined. Only qualified production devices are to be used.
  • [21:15:01] <_av500_> samch: ???
  • [21:15:09] <_av500_> router: its no omap
  • [21:15:15] <_av500_> thus omapfb does nothing
  • [21:15:46] <mrpacket_> CCO?
  • [21:15:56] <mrpacket_> thats another good question
  • [21:15:59] <dm8tbr> _av500_: router uses a bbxm
  • [21:16:06] <_av500_> ah
  • [21:16:11] <mrpacket_> CCO, doe'snt do itself any favors really does it
  • [21:16:17] <samch> _av500_ i asked about the processor in my beaglebone black
  • [21:16:18] <_av500_> ?
  • [21:16:26] <_av500_> and?
  • [21:16:36] <samch> i said that i read that my procesor have an X
  • [21:16:40] <_av500_> yes
  • [21:16:42] <mrpacket_> samch: i kind of agree with you
  • [21:16:44] <_av500_> nothing unusual
  • [21:16:46] <router> got display on dvi. thx all
  • [21:16:49] <samch> the X mean that it is a experimental
  • [21:16:51] <_av500_> we shipped X in products for years
  • [21:16:54] <samch> no producction
  • [21:16:57] * dm8tbr will restate this: I know of perfectly good products, consumer products that used X socs
  • [21:16:57] <_av500_> nah
  • [21:17:01] <_av500_> its fine
  • [21:17:06] <_av500_> dont get scared
  • [21:17:14] <_av500_> Xmeans you signed a waiver
  • [21:17:23] <_av500_> its not fully qualified
  • [21:17:33] <samch> and TI said that "Only qualified production devices are to be used."
  • [21:17:34] <_av500_> its the same silicon that end up as production
  • [21:17:38] <router> i damaged my last xm Rev c1 and kill the CPU. just bought a second xM
  • [21:17:39] <_av500_> samch: yes
  • [21:17:40] <mrpacket_> ie, dont' use it for aerospace
  • [21:17:41] <_av500_> so?
  • [21:17:44] <mrpacket_> or medical
  • [21:17:45] <_av500_> right
  • [21:17:51] <_av500_> mrpacket_: in fact no
  • [21:17:57] <_av500_> it meas you the customer qualifies it
  • [21:18:00] <_av500_> means
  • [21:18:04] <_av500_> which you have to do anyway
  • [21:18:11] <mrpacket_> yes. in deed
  • [21:18:15] <samch> TI said too "Predictions show that prototype devices (X or P) have a greater failure rate than the standard production devices"
  • [21:18:21] <_av500_> and?
  • [21:18:23] <mrpacket_> samch: whats your application
  • [21:18:24] <_av500_> did yours fail?
  • [21:18:26] <dm8tbr> samch: did it fail on you?
  • [21:18:53] <dm8tbr> mrpacket_: opencv
  • [21:18:59] <mrpacket_> oh geepers
  • [21:19:03] <dm8tbr> mhehe
  • [21:19:17] <_av500_> my kitten ate an X device and died, I cannot sue TI
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  • [21:20:03] <mastiff> automatice whole letter downgrade on the samch's phd project for using an "X" part
  • [21:20:17] <vvu> what is the latest version of eMMC angstrom ? i kinda lost the link to the one i had.
  • [21:20:29] <_av500_> 05.something
  • [21:20:40] <samch> stand alone system install in a remote area
  • [21:20:43] <samch> withouse supervision
  • [21:21:13] <dm8tbr> vvu: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
  • [21:21:32] <vvu> thx dm8tbr!
  • [21:22:01] <samch> it is no a party
  • [21:22:08] <samch> it is my time
  • [21:22:22] <_av500_> ?
  • [21:22:25] <_av500_> party time?
  • [21:22:30] <_av500_> sounds about right
  • [21:22:45] <samch> can be funny
  • [21:22:55] <samch> but if i install my system
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  • [21:23:13] <_av500_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Uo1nNt6LU
  • [21:23:27] <samch> I can not risk installing something wrong
  • [21:23:35] <_av500_> define wrong
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  • [21:23:45] <samch> sorry if the people of this chat don??t undertand this
  • [21:23:46] <mrpacket_> samch, maybe a BBB is not the system that you should use then
  • [21:24:04] <mrpacket_> maybe you should use the far superior powers of a Raspbery PI
  • [21:24:11] <samch> mrpacket, yes, AM
  • [21:24:12] <_av500_> samch: well, explain it
  • [21:24:36] <samch> yes mrpacket AM335X don??t be used in anything
  • [21:24:44] <_av500_> right
  • [21:24:53] <samch> firts have problem with the DMA
  • [21:24:59] * risc yawns a "hello all"
  • [21:25:05] <samch> for adquire HD pictures
  • [21:25:12] <_av500_> indeed
  • [21:25:12] <mrpacket_> samch: you've decided its no good.
  • [21:25:17] <samch> the people said, "used low resolution"
  • [21:25:17] <mrpacket_> so why are you carrying on here
  • [21:25:30] <mrpacket_> the thing is useless for you
  • [21:25:36] <mrpacket_> so, go and find somethign else
  • [21:25:55] <samch> after i read about DMA and discover that no work
  • [21:26:25] <samch> after read about the microprocesor and saw that my microprocesor is an experimental
  • [21:26:55] <mrpacket_> so, you have decided its no use for your applicaiton?
  • [21:27:07] <samch> ok, the AM335x is good for turn on a led
  • [21:27:11] * risc tries to cross the bridge, and not get noticed by the troll
  • [21:27:23] <samch> or other thing
  • [21:27:36] * mrpacket_ is only a humble hobbit
  • [21:27:52] <mrpacket_> samch: so its not good for the tasks that we have all build
  • [21:27:53] <samch> other people have the same promen than i
  • [21:28:02] <mrpacket_> samch: then go and get another system
  • [21:28:06] <mrpacket_> and dont' use a beagle
  • [21:28:16] <router> how do I disable the New User Details on Angstrom?
  • [21:28:22] <mrpacket_> you've already decided its no good
  • [21:28:39] <dm8tbr> risc: airspeed velocity of an unlaiden beaglebone?
  • [21:28:57] <_av500_> samch: as said, the X is meaningless
  • [21:28:59] <mrpacket_> so, why are you trying to make somethign that you ahve already deceided is unsatifisfactory, work?
  • [21:29:17] <risc> Mach .855
  • [21:29:17] <mrpacket_> either you need to work with what you have, or not
  • [21:29:26] <mastiff> samch, you could use a microcontroller supervisor with battery or solar backup to reboot automatically if needed.
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  • [21:29:50] <mastiff> I'm not going to look up part#s though.
  • [21:29:58] <dm8tbr> I'd expect the AM to have a watchdog or two
  • [21:30:29] <samch> mastiff, it is no the problem
  • [21:30:59] <mastiff> You've complained about a lot of stuff, I try to help you with one problem. No more.
  • [21:31:02] <alan_o> hi dm8tbr
  • [21:31:07] <samch> the problem is that you read an specificacion abouy beaglebone black that is no true
  • [21:31:08] <alan_o> been too long....
  • [21:31:12] <risc> speaking of trolling, now that I've used the BBB for a few days I want an XM... why E14, why are they so expensive in .au land! :)
  • [21:31:39] <_av500_> risc: its the long voyage by ship
  • [21:31:50] <_av500_> many hands lost at sea
  • [21:31:57] <risc> yeah we live a long way from anywhere :)
  • [21:32:08] <_av500_> :)
  • [21:32:15] <dm8tbr> alan_o: yello
  • [21:32:23] <_av500_> oh yeah
  • [21:32:24] <risc> I shall order 1 from the land of America!
  • [21:33:15] <_av500_> samch: return it
  • [21:33:17] <_av500_> send it back
  • [21:33:24] <_av500_> get your money back
  • [21:33:28] <_av500_> and be done with it
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  • [21:34:31] <alan_o> samch: you have the schematics, and datasheets for all the parts, what else do you need?
  • [21:34:48] * alan_o uses sarcasm, in case it's not properly detected
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  • [21:36:20] <alan_o> samch: seriously though, the docs are not perfect. There aren't always exact steps. It's not very much unlike the embedded world in general.
  • [21:36:56] <alan_o> samch: yes, it could be better, but complaining about it using hyperbole on the channel is redundant at best.
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  • [21:42:40] <mastiff> samch, it's for your phd project, its Supposed to be difficult.
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  • [23:19:41] <risc> Debian net install happening on SD card \o/
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  • [23:20:47] <cib0> Hello. I just updated my beaglebone black with opkg-upgrade, and now when starting with USB, it's not recognized anymore as mass storage or USB network. Also, only 3 of the LEDs turn on.
  • [23:23:39] <AliTabuger7> I have to imagine that everyone in the world does that, right? Easiest way to fix it is get a uSD and put the imager on it from here http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
  • [23:24:34] <AliTabuger7> Moral of the story is don't upgrade?
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  • [23:26:16] <fiola> The SRM says to upgrade, so the right thing for maintainers to do is change the SRM to not say that, or to put a very visible notice on pages that link the SRM to the effect that upgrade is currently broken.
  • [23:26:35] <fiola> I believe that was already uinder consideration.
  • [23:27:30] <WA2EIN> I got burned the same way
  • [23:27:56] <agmlego> Or...to fix the repos so upgrading works?
  • [23:28:12] <fiola> I think dm8tbr is already doing that, or helping.
  • [23:28:14] <agmlego> Just a thought. ;-P
  • [23:29:57] <fiola> In any event, it's a known problem. The trouble is, being known to us doesn't prevent new purchasers from making their eMMC unbootable, so something more is needed.
  • [23:33:26] <cib0> Is it possible to fix the eMMC image with a uSD?
  • [23:34:00] <fiola> Yes. The BBB is never totally brickable, youi can always fix it with the right image burned to uSD.
  • [23:34:20] <AliTabuger7> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.27.img.xz does. It's kind of in the title.
  • [23:34:35] <cib0> Ah. Thank you. =)
  • [23:34:50] <WA2EIN> Thats what I had to do.
  • [23:35:09] <WA2EIN> After that I only applied Python updates
  • [23:36:04] <fiola> It'll be awesome in due course, just some early teething problems. Unfortunate, but it happens.
  • [23:37:54] <WA2EIN> It would be nice to make option to install missing packages if a used needs them, ie. FTP
  • [23:38:34] <AliTabuger7> So, I was looking for to change the pin modes (the 0-7 kind, not the input output kind). I don't have the /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/ directory. What am I missing? I'm guessing it's a modprobe?
  • [23:39:18] <WA2EIN> I think these were changes (something about device trees). I'm still trying to figure it out.
  • [23:39:53] <cib0> Hmm.. no way around using a serial port?
  • [23:39:56] <WA2EIN> BTW, TI makes a nice windoes prog to help you with the mux settings (Pin Mux Utility)
  • [23:40:03] <fiola> Angstrom is a bit sparse on packages. Package selection becomes much wider if you switch to Debian or whichever other ARM distro you're happy with.
  • [23:40:43] <WA2EIN> BUT where do you go if you need BBB specific code ?
  • [23:40:47] <AliTabuger7> I've written a pretty detailed tutorial on installing ubuntu on a BBB, if you're interested
  • [23:41:13] <WA2EIN> I would be interested
  • [23:41:44] <AliTabuger7> http://robotic-controls.com/learn/beaglebone/beaglebone-black-ubuntu
  • [23:41:48] <WA2EIN> NTP would be nice on the BBB
  • [23:42:15] <fiola> cib0: Life becomes much easier with a serial port, you're never working blind. It's the best 12-quid investment ever.
  • [23:43:27] <fiola> NTP's already installed by default, just not activated for some reason, and sometimes it doesn't automatically start after reboot, although reports vary.
  • [23:44:40] <WA2EIN> Have you figured how to activate UART2? or are you using a USB connected terminal
  • [23:44:55] <fiola> The NTP issue may just be fallout from connman being unreliable or idiosyncratic, since it obviously needs the networking.
  • [23:45:17] <AliTabuger7> I think it doesn't have systemd setup
  • [23:46:14] <WA2EIN> connman has given me heartburn
  • [23:46:23] <fiola> WA2EIN: I just do what's specified in the SRM section 7.5 p.76, that FTDI adapter works perfectly.
  • [23:46:49] <WA2EIN> TY
  • [23:46:53] <fiola> Yeah, my networking didn't work either until I got rid of connman and did it manually.
  • [23:47:19] <WA2EIN> I disabled connman and then could not talk to the bone
  • [23:47:28] <WA2EIN> I had to re-flash
  • [23:47:44] <fiola> Ah, I had serial, so easy to sort out troubles.
  • [23:47:56] <WA2EIN> yes.
  • [23:48:16] <WA2EIN> I use serial on my Pi & will add it on the bone
  • [23:49:36] <fiola> If the Pi has a 3V3 uart on its expansion header, could use the Pi as a serial debugger for BBB. Or use BB white, or pretty much any other board with 3V3 uarts.
  • [23:50:08] <fiola> But for 12 quid, the FTDI adapter is just less hassle
  • [23:50:34] <fiola> Probably 2 quid from eBay :P
  • [23:50:46] <WA2EIN> BTW the TI manual on the chip is over 4000 pages
  • [23:51:12] <fiola> Can't complain about lack of TI docs :P
  • [23:52:05] <WA2EIN> I have a 3V level converter using Max3232 that I use on the Pi & will use on the bone
  • [23:52:09] <fiola> AFAIAA, absolutely everything is openly documented except GPU, and that's fine since BBB is not intended as a media centre.
  • [23:52:59] <WA2EIN> I'm used to Microchip manuals that run 3-4 hundred pages but then this processor does a whole lot more
  • [23:53:46] <fiola> Sounds fine. I have a Pi, but it's not doing anything as the USB was dropping data, I might frame it.
  • [23:54:35] <WA2EIN> mine may have been. I had an app that used it to talk to Xbee & had intermitant problems. Ported it to bone & it rund fine
  • [23:55:07] <fiola> Good to know.