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  • [01:17:29] <johnnyfp> Hi, I've just received my BBB with the stock OS. IS there a way to enable SPI without the need to recompile or reinstall the OS?
  • [01:18:07] <ppokorny> yes please. And not just one SPI but all three or four chip selects...
  • [01:19:54] <ppokorny> it should be possible with an alternate dtb file.
  • [01:20:18] <johnnyfp> Ok. So Complete Linux Noob here. What's a dtb?
  • [01:20:43] <ds2> magic scroll!
  • [01:20:56] <johnnyfp> Is that a FEX script?
  • [01:21:55] <ppokorny> see this post on the google group https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!category-topic/beagleboard/beaglebone-black/pf1MNKptqS0
  • [01:22:03] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> dude, google "beaglebone enable spi"
  • [01:22:05] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> first hit.
  • [01:22:31] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-spi-1-0-and-1-1-with-device-tre-overlays-on-beaglebone/
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  • [01:25:35] <johnnyfp> So the answer is that I DO need to recompile the Kernel. That the Stock OS Does not included it as standard.
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  • [01:27:26] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it doesn't?
  • [01:29:05] <johnnyfp> It does. Last part states "Once the kernel is rebuilt with" and then "You can upload it to" and more worryingly "and the _write_ reboot, no hitting the swedish button or you may brick it 0_o"
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  • [01:30:38] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> is it possible to brick a beaglebone? i thought it could always be reflashed.
  • [01:31:48] <Spirilis> not sure but if there's any flash memory onboard for the bootloader, or pre-bootloader or whatever, maybe that could be in-system erased and screw it up
  • [01:32:07] <Spirilis> but then there might be a savior in ROM or something
  • [01:32:32] <Spirilis> like a serial BSL, some chips have it burned into rom so it can't be erased
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  • [01:32:42] <Spirilis> not sure how those sitara's work (the datasheet is huge lol)
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  • [01:33:36] <josh> It boots from address 0 of the uSD card
  • [01:34:26] <josh> The BBB boots from address 0 of the eMMC or SD card depending on the boot parameters which can be altered by the boot button
  • [01:34:50] <josh> No bootloader required
  • [01:34:56] <Spirilis> yeah
  • [01:35:02] <Spirilis> hmm, this cloud9 stuff is flaky
  • [01:35:11] <Spirilis> half the time when I hit the play/debug button it doesn't run my code
  • [01:35:15] <Spirilis> LEDs don't shut off
  • [01:35:34] <Spirilis> yet I see the node --debug-brk=xxx /var/lib/cloud9/ledoff.js running
  • [01:35:47] <Spirilis> can run it direct from CLI though and it runs
  • [01:36:15] <Spirilis> and yet I have seen it work in cloud9 like twice
  • [01:36:49] <Spirilis> ah, some errors in journalctl related to it
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  • [01:43:22] <Spirilis> meh gonna open a thread about it
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  • [02:00:20] <slug> Spirilis: which browser are you using?
  • [02:00:34] <Spirilis> chrome
  • [02:01:07] <slug> Spirilis: humm, ok. i had trouble with firefox, but most of the stuff worked with chrome. Didn't try c9 much though.
  • [02:01:32] <Spirilis> yeah the debug thing seems to be local to the linux host
  • [02:01:42] <Spirilis> I see something connected to the port but it's from 127.0.0.1
  • [02:01:48] <Spirilis> so I'm doubting it's the browser
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  • [02:09:37] <didof3> Newbie + BBB = @^%R$^
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  • [02:11:04] <Genroo> Hello!
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  • [02:17:26] <adf> How to tell which version of beaglebone black that I have?
  • [02:17:46] <adf> Hello?
  • [02:18:57] <prpplague> adf: unless you are on a special alpha or beta test program you have production A5A
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  • [02:19:39] <prpplague> jeeze
  • [02:20:01] <slug> prpplague: i guess he/she didn't want to really know ;)
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  • [02:20:18] <PanteraRulesYouF> How to tell which version of beaglebone black that I have?
  • [02:20:19] <Genroo> I'm curious... I thought you had to hold down the boot button to boot off of microSD. If I have an SD inserted and I DON'T hold down the button, the thing won't boot.
  • [02:20:30] <Genroo> o.O Really?
  • [02:20:34] <prpplague> PanteraRulesYouF: wow
  • [02:20:37] <prpplague> PanteraRulesYouF: nice
  • [02:20:47] <Genroo> Maybe they just didn't like my name.
  • [02:20:55] <slug> so, i'm getting kernel panics when trying to get a wifi usb card to work on the BBB
  • [02:21:06] <Spirilis> lol the label is on the side of the ethernet jack
  • [02:21:08] <Spirilis> "A5A"
  • [02:21:09] <prpplague> PanteraRulesYouF: hey bud
  • [02:21:19] <prpplague> what Spirilis said
  • [02:21:26] <prpplague> <prpplague> adf: unless you are on a special alpha or beta test program you have production A5A
  • [02:21:45] <prpplague> slug: some of the down side of attracting more arduino and raspberry pi users
  • [02:21:47] <PanteraRulesYouF> Thanks, didn't see that sticker
  • [02:22:18] <PanteraRulesYouF> Are you able to connect to the board using windows 7 and gateopen?
  • [02:22:37] <PanteraRulesYouF> I keep getting ssh error, don't know how to fix.
  • [02:22:56] <didof3> prpplague: I resemble that remark
  • [02:23:10] <PanteraRulesYouF> hello prpplague
  • [02:23:37] <slug> the strange thing is that sending a sysrq through the serial console gives back response, but don't see much action: "[ 314.556656] SysRq : Power Off" doesn't really power down the board.
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  • [02:24:01] <Genroo> So will Android output through HDMI on the BBB, or can you only remote to it?
  • [02:24:05] <prpplague> emeb_mac: fpga d00d
  • [02:24:14] * prpplague jokes with emeb_mac
  • [02:24:33] <emeb_mac> prpplague: :)
  • [02:24:42] <prpplague> didof3: arduino or rpi?
  • [02:24:44] <emeb_mac> prpplague: what's new & exciting?
  • [02:24:51] <slug> funny, sysrq b(oot) worked just fine.
  • [02:25:05] <didof3> prpplague: Arduino
  • [02:26:25] <prpplague> hehe lesser of two evils, hehe
  • [02:26:48] <prpplague> didof3: you might make a good tester for our Energia support
  • [02:26:57] <slug> anyone with luck getting the ew-7811un wifi usb card to work with the bbb without kernel panic the system?
  • [02:27:14] <didof3> prpplague: BBB has given me a multitude of challenges. I feel Like a total Newbie here. trying to lay back and read all I can
  • [02:27:54] <prpplague> challenge is good
  • [02:27:57] <mdp> reading==good
  • [02:28:15] <Genroo> Is anyone using Android?
  • [02:28:32] <Spirilis> prpplague: how's the Energia stuff working? is energia basically a frontend to a Linux C app with libs for doing the I/O stuff?
  • [02:28:42] <mdp> the list is full of android questions so obviously yes
  • [02:28:52] <prpplague> Spirilis: energia is the fork name of the stock arduino ide
  • [02:29:10] <Spirilis> prpplague: I know that, just curious how you guys are rolling energia into the bbblack :)
  • [02:29:11] <prpplague> Spirilis: but supports MSP430 as well as soon to be supported userspace linux
  • [02:29:18] <prpplague> Spirilis: http://tinyurl.com/c7ozlhc
  • [02:29:20] <Spirilis> ah k yeah, userspace linux
  • [02:29:28] <Spirilis> neat idea
  • [02:29:29] <Genroo> what list?
  • [02:29:52] <PanteraRulesYouF> Anyone had luck with getting the SPI port working?
  • [02:29:56] <mdp> Genroo: beagleboard list
  • [02:30:00] <prpplague> Spirilis: had the generic items working literally for years, just never had enough people doing dev on it
  • [02:30:03] <prpplague> Spirilis: https://github.com/prpplague/Energia
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  • [02:30:17] <Genroo> mdp: What is the beagleboard list?
  • [02:30:21] <Spirilis> yep I'd say this is a critical mass use-case or hopefully soon to be :)
  • [02:30:35] <mdp> prpplague: now to finish it! :)
  • [02:30:49] <Rickta59> if i had a BBB i could crank that out
  • [02:30:56] <mdp> Genroo: go to the website .. link there
  • [02:31:41] <Genroo> mdp: Oh no, I know it's available, I was just asking if anyone here was using it.
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  • [02:36:05] <Genroo> Shoot, guess not. Thanks though, mdp.
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  • [02:38:03] <didof3> D/L ing Energia now
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  • [02:39:50] <WingerRocks> Can I ask a asking thingy?
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  • [02:40:18] <prpplague> WingerRocks: asking thingies are fun, ask many of them
  • [02:40:38] <prpplague> WingerRocks: when you are tired of asking, then we will give answer thingies
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  • [02:40:45] <prpplague> WingerRocks: until we are tired of those
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  • [02:52:02] <treemonkie> I have a Beaglebone Black that stopped working after doing an `opkg update` (not showing up on USB... boots sometimes, but keyboard wont work), so I decided to reinstall from microsd. However I can't seem to boot from the microsd card using the "boot" button... the power light lights up, but nothing happens after that. (NOTE: I am using a 16GB microsd -- does that matter?)
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  • [02:54:56] <didof3> treemonkie: try booting with a power supply (Not powered from USB) unplug everything else. Also use the latest Image
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  • [02:56:02] <didof3> treemonkie: I am using BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.08.img.xz
  • [02:58:12] <testqwee> does open gate work with windows 7? I can't ssh into Bbb using putty either. any ideas"?
  • [02:58:23] <treemonkie> Where can I get that image? http://beagleboard.org/latest-images/ lists something older
  • [02:59:03] <didof3> treemonkie: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/?C=M;O=D
  • [02:59:46] <treemonkie> didof3: Thanks, I will give that a go.
  • [03:00:38] <didof3> treemonkie: opkg works fine with that image
  • [03:02:57] <treemonkie> didof3: Good to know. Thanks.
  • [03:03:21] <testqwee> soo pissed that bbb doesn't work out of the box like arduino
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  • [03:03:44] <mranostay> hi
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  • [03:06:11] <treemonkie> didof3: Any mirror of that file? I keep getting `Unknown Network Error` 1/3 of the way into it.
  • [03:08:01] <didof3> treemonkie: Thats the only one I know of
  • [03:09:01] <treemonkie> didof3: Ok, thanks. Guess I'll try on my linux server and see what happens...
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  • [03:15:25] <pranjal> Any tips on getting the PRU to work?
  • [03:16:02] <pranjal> I've downloaded the github repo and I get errors when I run it: prussdrv_open open failed
  • [03:16:50] <slug> pranjal: PRU_EVTOUT_2 might know ;) what kind of errors? I seem to recall that pru support has some issues with kernel 3.8 ? maybe I'm mistaken
  • [03:17:04] <pranjal> I'm on 3.8.2
  • [03:17:07] <pranjal> the error I get is
  • [03:17:08] <pranjal> prussdrv_open open failed
  • [03:17:14] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> haven't played with 3.8 at all.
  • [03:17:19] <pranjal> slug: I also don't see the /dev/uio device
  • [03:17:21] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> lsmod, see if uio_pruss is installed.
  • [03:17:21] <slug> pranjal: did you load the module?
  • [03:17:24] <pranjal> yes
  • [03:17:35] <slug> pranjal: do you see it with lsmod?
  • [03:17:47] <pranjal> slug: it shows uio_pruss 3641 0
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  • [03:18:26] <pranjal> slug: Is it a 3.8 problem? What's the best image to be running?
  • [03:18:48] <slug> pranjal: i'm not sure if it's a 3.8 problem
  • [03:19:01] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pranjal: someone yesterday said this magically worked: http://pastebin.com/SCV8QdXZ
  • [03:19:09] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> to get pru going.
  • [03:21:43] <slug> PRU_EVTOUT_2: just tried that on kernel 3.8 and it seemed to work, got a success at the end
  • [03:21:45] <pranjal> PRU_EVTOUT_2: that worked
  • [03:21:48] <pranjal> strange
  • [03:21:54] <slug> PRU_EVTOUT_2: thanks :)
  • [03:22:20] <treemonkie> Just out of curiosity, what are you guys doing with the PRU?
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  • [03:22:44] <pranjal> treemonkie: motor control
  • [03:22:57] <slug> treemonkie: same here :)
  • [03:23:18] <treemonkie> Interesting
  • [03:23:23] <mrpackethead> pranjal: flashing leds
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  • [03:31:14] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bit banging interfaces.
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  • [03:38:00] <prpplague> Rickta59: already got you one allocated
  • [03:41:18] <ka6sox> morning
  • [03:43:21] <prpplague> ka6sox: how dare you speak to us like that!
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  • [03:46:12] <jakes> Just got my board today tried to update to BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.08 - got four solid blues and then rebooted but only power light is lit - worked before I flashed it.. Did I miss something?
  • [03:46:30] * ka6sox wonders what he said...
  • [03:47:17] <jakes> A beaglebone black
  • [03:47:48] <ds2> is there a contest to see how many peices one can turn the BBB into? :D
  • [03:49:55] <didof3> jakes: did you remove the sd before you re-powered?
  • [03:50:03] <jakes> yes
  • [03:50:41] <jmoyerman> ds2: Were you reading that thread too?
  • [03:51:35] <didof3> jakes: hmm time to ask the experts. I didn't have that problem.
  • [03:51:39] <jakes> connecting via usb to my laptop continually trys and fails to connect, only the power led is lit.
  • [03:52:46] <jakes> I will try and reflash I guess
  • [03:53:21] <didof3> jakes: I did have that problem. Had to re flash. Bummer it takes 45minutes to do
  • [03:54:05] <didof3> jakes: Windows was looking for a driver for the A8 if I remember correctly
  • [03:54:25] <jakes> Bummer is right - no play time tonight I guess ;-)
  • [03:55:19] <didof3> jakes: all part of the fun figuing things out.
  • [03:56:14] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so is there a way to get the cape manager to load a device tree based on the pin config in the eeprom?
  • [03:56:18] <jakes> didof3: at least I am not on my own - huh? Thanks.
  • [03:56:42] <didof3> jakes: word of advice don't power from the micro USB use a power supply
  • [03:57:06] <didof3> jakes: draws 500ma + to flash
  • [03:57:53] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> are usb chipsets smart enough to care these days?
  • [03:57:58] <jakes> didof3: didn't have the right connector - but I did read that... used usb hub with 2amp rating...
  • [03:58:20] <didof3> jakes: should be fine
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  • [04:00:09] <jakes> didof3: I will try it again just strange that I would get the all clear signal though (four solid leds)...
  • [04:01:28] <didof3> jakes: agree (4) shows flash complete as I read. did you try just hitting the reboot button?
  • [04:03:21] <jakes> didof3: I hit the reset once it that's what you mean... already started reflash...
  • [04:04:00] <didof3> jakes: ahh see you in 45 min. then ... let me know
  • [04:04:49] <jakes> didof3: will do - thanks - need food now
  • [04:05:02] <didof3> jakes: ttyl
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  • [04:13:38] <ds2> :)
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  • [04:54:47] <jakes> didof3: looks like it worked this time... would have just done that if it wasn't 45 minutes...
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  • [05:01:56] <didof3> jakes: great to hear
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  • [05:27:23] <sky__> Hi everyone, need help with attachInterrupt(Pin, handler, mode, [callback])
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  • [05:28:05] <sky__> how does handler work? what does it mean by "true" or "false"?
  • [05:30:05] <sky__> can I use a local function name as a handler?
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  • [05:38:24] <treemonkie> sky__: handler is the callback for events, so yes, it should be a function. I believe [callback] is just for errors.
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  • [05:38:44] <_av500_> ahoi
  • [05:39:10] <treemonkie> sky__: https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript/blob/master/node_modules/bonescript/index.js line 432 is the start of the source for attachInterrupt
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  • [05:39:46] <panto> gm
  • [05:40:46] <sky__> thanks, I'll have some minutes to read.
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  • [05:44:47] <treemonkie> sky__: I guess I gave you bad advice on that, this is the "official" example for that function: http://pastebin.com/VaqAAWEK
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  • [05:47:53] <chrisjmiller> hi
  • [05:48:40] <chrisjmiller> I got 2 'bones in the mail today :D
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  • [05:56:01] <_av500_> hugged the mailman?
  • [05:57:08] <dm8tbr> a channel full of bone collectors...
  • [05:59:32] <_av500_> pro bono
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  • [06:01:08] <chrisjmiller> tbh, i got quite stressed out with the things today. but by the end of the day I had ubuntu 13 going
  • [06:01:34] <Russ> I find this discussion quite humerus
  • [06:01:52] <chrisjmiller> I am going to do some testing tomorrow to see what kind of power it's really using.
  • [06:02:42] <chrisjmiller> I was having issues with having too much plugged into the USB. even when using a 2a psu.
  • [06:07:16] <treemonkie> 0_o
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  • [06:10:57] <panto> chrisjmiller, 2a and not enough? call the fire dpt :)
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  • [06:13:53] <chrisjmiller> One thing I noticed is it didn't like stuff plugged in while booting. so maybe it's just not getting the amps it needs.
  • [06:14:48] <chrisjmiller> i'm going to hook it to a meter tomorrow so that I know for sure and not speculating
  • [06:15:10] <chrisjmiller> i know on the pi I can use a webcam and wifi dongle in the 2 usb ports.
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  • [06:28:42] <_av500_> chrisjmiller: what did you have plugged in?
  • [06:28:47] <_av500_> and powered how?
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  • [06:29:19] <chrisjmiller> I first started with powering by usb
  • [06:29:29] <chrisjmiller> then moved to powering with a 5v 2a wall wart psu
  • [06:29:52] <chrisjmiller> I've been trying to get an hd webcam and wifi dongle working with a usb splitter.
  • [06:35:29] <_av500_> sun splitter?
  • [06:35:30] <_av500_> usb
  • [06:35:41] <_av500_> I hope you mean a hub
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  • [06:38:08] * Russ locates a sun splitter http://img.alibaba.com/img/pb/225/383/249/1273993506884_hz-cnmyalibaba-web2_17801.jpg
  • [06:41:58] <ka6sox> morning panto _av500_
  • [06:42:07] <panto> hi ka6sox
  • [06:43:38] <ka6sox> Russ, the ones from Edmund are expensive...how much is htat?
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  • [06:44:09] <Russ> *shrug*, I just went there for the image
  • [06:44:40] <Russ> but how about these? http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Novelty-Deluxe-Prism-Glasses-Lazy-Glasses-to-Patient-the-Old-Christmas-Gift-Bed-Lie-Down-Periscope/321904_720090237.html
  • [06:44:49] <Russ> who needs a occulus rift, or google glass
  • [06:45:39] <_av500_> just stare into the sun for a while
  • [06:45:42] <_av500_> no more need for any glasses
  • [06:46:14] <Russ> just get me some ulexite
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  • [06:55:05] <mranostay> Russ!!
  • [06:57:06] <emeb_mac> mranostay: how you liking PDX so far?
  • [06:57:51] <mranostay> minus the whole can't pump my own gas it is pretty cool
  • [06:58:03] <emeb_mac> heh - OR is funny that way.
  • [06:58:22] * emeb_mac lived there for 5+ yrs
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  • [06:59:04] <emeb_mac> no sales tax is easy to get used to tho.
  • [06:59:07] <mranostay> nobody wants to be the guy to axe 8k worthless jobs? :)
  • [06:59:30] <mranostay> emeb_mac: ok yes trade offs
  • [06:59:50] <emeb_mac> re - changing the gas pumping: don't think they even think about that.
  • [07:00:09] <emeb_mac> It's just that folks there like having someone else do it for them.
  • [07:00:30] <mranostay> silly unions
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  • [07:00:40] <emeb_mac> doubt that's a union job.
  • [07:00:49] <emeb_mac> unless teenage boys have a union...
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  • [07:01:17] <mranostay> methheads you mean? :)
  • [07:01:30] <Russ> mranostay, ye?
  • [07:01:33] <emeb_mac> depends on where you are I guess.
  • [07:01:34] <Russ> how's pdx?
  • [07:01:35] <chrisjmiller> _av500_: i got these, they didn't work. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A81ISJ6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
  • [07:06:08] <Russ> shocking
  • [07:07:47] <_av500_> chrisjmiller: thats a passive one
  • [07:08:03] <_av500_> meaning the available power gets split
  • [07:08:34] <_av500_> not sure how much power the bone can deliver on the single usb host
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  • [07:08:47] <_av500_> does a single device on its own work?
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  • [07:09:45] <panto> _av500_, usually, but don't expect a lot
  • [07:10:02] <panto> IIRC a wifi dongle might work, but just barely
  • [07:10:11] <panto> when using usb power
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  • [07:12:51] <mranostay> Russ: PDX is good so far
  • [07:13:24] <panto> i.e. he's not arrested yet
  • [07:15:12] <chrisjmiller> yes, a single device works. i can get it going with the logitch c920. however I had best resuts waiting until after boot to plug it in.
  • [07:15:13] <mranostay> the night is young
  • [07:15:24] <chrisjmiller> the pi, while having 2 ports, is also a single usb host.
  • [07:15:57] <chrisjmiller> but i believe it is spec'd to provide the 500ma usb requires to each port. on the newer ones.
  • [07:16:57] <chrisjmiller> the bbb is probably only spec'd to provide much less. I may build a usb power bridge from my battery source but that could have its own issues.
  • [07:17:56] <_av500_> chrisjmiller: use a powered hub
  • [07:18:16] <chrisjmiller> _av500_: my intended project is airborne.
  • [07:18:19] <mranostay> _av500_: powdered hub?
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  • [07:18:48] <_av500_> chrisjmiller: you mean up in the air electronics need lees power?
  • [07:18:52] <_av500_> less
  • [07:18:54] <chrisjmiller> i could potentially use a powered hub, if i can find one that is extremely light
  • [07:19:02] <chrisjmiller> in grams i mean
  • [07:19:08] <_av500_> maybe add some solar cells :)
  • [07:19:11] <panto> buy one and just take it apart from the casing
  • [07:19:12] <_av500_> ic
  • [07:19:20] <_av500_> chrisjmiller: there are tiny powered hubs
  • [07:19:24] <_av500_> remove the case etc..
  • [07:20:18] <chrisjmiller> i have one that i could try taking the casing off of.
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  • [07:21:04] <_av500_> http://www.alternate.de/html/product/Sharkoon/Cross_Hub,_USB-Hub/50367/?
  • [07:21:08] <_av500_> as an example
  • [07:21:19] <_av500_> you can use it as the base for a quadcopter :)
  • [07:21:28] <_av500_> plug 4 usb powered propellers :)
  • [07:23:28] <chrisjmiller> ha, not bad :)
  • [07:24:46] <_av500_> for extra weight loss, cut off the ports you dont need
  • [07:25:00] <chrisjmiller> I've got 2 of these that I could try repurposing. http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Hi-Speed-USB-4-Port-F5U234v1/dp/B000ERAOL4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1368170678&sr=8-2&keywords=2+port+powered+usb+hub
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  • [07:25:16] <chrisjmiller> not sure what the weight would be like though even after decasing. I can only spare like maybe 10-20g
  • [07:25:34] <chrisjmiller> tbh, i'm really not even sure because I don't know what the bbb weighs compared to the pi.
  • [07:25:51] <chrisjmiller> and if i have to replace the pi with a bbb and a powered hub... that will be tricky.
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  • [07:33:33] <_av500_> well, you need a hub anyway with the bone
  • [07:35:07] <Grievar> what's the difference between the bone and the bone black? It seems like the black actually has more for less money, am I missing something?
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  • [07:35:41] <_av500_> yes
  • [07:35:57] <_av500_> its made in higher volumes
  • [07:36:22] <chrisjmiller> black is rev2
  • [07:37:26] <chrisjmiller> i love that i'm running ubuntu... and not raspbian or debonen or whatever they'd call it.
  • [07:37:56] <chrisjmiller> ubuntu 13 too. for $45.
  • [07:38:37] <Grievar> so the original bone is going out of production?
  • [07:38:52] <_av500_> no idea
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  • [07:40:37] <panto> chrisjmiller, we love it that you love it
  • [07:40:51] <panto> as long you're fine with the ubuntu bloat, hey, it's your call :)
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  • [07:52:32] <chrisjmiller> i'm just browsing around on forums and seeing some hinting about needing wheezy to get 500ma out of usb? hrm... i am really curious about the current I can get out of it.
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  • [08:04:03] <stricklandh> for the beaglebone black, how would I run commands through my own webpage rather than through the cloud 9 interpreter? Like how they have the beaglebone.org site setup where you can run and edit sample scripts from their webpage
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  • [08:10:32] <anujdeshpande> stricklandh, you familiar with node.js ?
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  • [08:11:00] <stricklandh> i've seen it mentioned in various things I've been reading
  • [08:11:16] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/Y7qcQg
  • [08:11:16] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 a807d7a Koen Kooi: 3.8: improve cameracape reliability...
  • [08:11:16] <stricklandh> I'm very new to this all, sorry
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  • [08:12:36] <anujdeshpande> stricklandh, everyone is new to something or the other :) bonescript is a node.js library. https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript
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  • [08:13:18] <anujdeshpande> stricklandh, you'll have to setup node.js for your web app and then use this library
  • [08:14:53] <stricklandh> ok, so install node.js on my webserver?
  • [08:15:41] <stricklandh> or is that a library I just need to include in my webpage?
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  • [08:48:27] <anujdeshpande> stricklandh, beaglebone has node.js installed. it. Cloud9 is the the IDE that you need to
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  • [08:49:50] <anujdeshpande> stricklandh, beaglebone has node.js installed. Cloud9 is the the IDE that you need to talk to the server(node.js on your bone)
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  • [08:53:31] <stricklandh> i've got cloud 9 working and some basic code going, but what I'd like to do is run a script that interfaces with the beaglebone that is hosted somewhere other than the beaglebone, like my website server or my laptop. is it possible?
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  • [09:24:58] <BHAGWAN> i am getting an error " minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyUSB0: No such file or directory" when i am connecting beagle bone to my pc
  • [09:28:01] <jacekowski> well, have you thought about checking dmesg?
  • [09:28:12] <jacekowski> and checking if it's really ttyUSB0 or maybe it's 1
  • [09:28:18] <jacekowski> or device is not detected at all
  • [09:28:33] <BHAGWAN> how to check it
  • [09:28:58] <jacekowski> DMESG
  • [09:31:36] <BHAGWAN> i hv checked it it is giving following output
  • [09:31:39] <BHAGWAN> [ 0.217863] PCI: MMCONFIG for domain 0000 [bus 00-ff] at [mem 0xe0000000-0xefffffff] (base 0xe0000000) [ 0.217863] PCI: MMCONFIG at [mem 0xe0000000-0xefffffff] reserved in E820 [ 0.217863] PCI: Using MMCONFIG for extended config space [ 0.217863] PCI: Using configuration type 1 for base access [ 0.220535] bio: create slab <bio-0> at 0 [ 0.220613] ACPI: Added _OSI(Module Device) [ 0.220615] ACPI: Added _OSI(Proces
  • [09:32:24] <BHAGWAN> i think device is not detecting
  • [09:32:43] <jacekowski> don't paste it here
  • [09:32:54] <jacekowski> and you want last 5~10 lines of it
  • [09:33:01] <jacekowski> that's where the interesting stuff is
  • [09:33:52] <koen> try lsusb as well
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  • [09:34:08] <BHAGWAN> but it is not attached to any port
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  • [09:38:12] <BHAGWAN> i hv checked lsusb but still beaglebone is noet detected
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  • [09:41:21] <x56> pastie the output of "ls /dev" with the beaglebone connected
  • [09:41:58] <BHAGWAN> thanks friends
  • [09:42:09] <BHAGWAN> its workink now
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  • [10:10:10] <_av500__> this guy is hilarious http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2013-May/007421.html
  • [10:11:15] <panto> _av500__, my IQ dropped 10 points after reading that
  • [10:13:34] <_av500__> people at intel and sgx are trembling with ph34r
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  • [10:16:39] <janne> one gpio operation per cycle looks a little optimistic. 5 times overhead too
  • [10:17:49] <koen> assuming the gpio can do 20MHz
  • [10:18:45] <panto> and what exactly graphics b/w have to do with GPIO again?
  • [10:19:16] <Russ> ok joe
  • [10:21:48] <_av500__> panto: GPIO is just the means to chain cheap ARM cpus together in order to not need an equally cheap but closed GPU
  • [10:22:08] <_av500__> get allwinner A10 with SGX
  • [10:22:19] <_av500__> ignore SGX but get 19 more A10
  • [10:22:21] <_av500__> cheain them
  • [10:22:27] <_av500__> chain them
  • [10:22:35] <_av500__> 4) profit
  • [10:22:40] <_av500__> is that not clear?
  • [10:22:51] * panto gets his chain on
  • [10:23:12] * panto has 'unchain my heart' stuck in his mind now
  • [10:23:17] <panto> thanks _av500__
  • [10:24:15] <_av500__> panto: not "working the chain gang"?
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  • [10:24:41] <panto> no, that would be a better song
  • [10:25:07] <mru> "working in the coin mine"
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  • [10:38:03] <janne> s/(coin)/bit\1/?
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  • [10:41:41] <_av500__> coinbit
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  • [10:49:17] <mru> KotH: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/10/japanese_phone_pants/
  • [10:50:31] <_av500__> awesome
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  • [10:57:03] <ogra_> poor phones ... have to go topless ...
  • [10:57:25] <panto> hey, put NSFW there
  • [10:57:33] <panto> it's panties... on a phone... in japan...
  • [10:57:39] <_av500__> what abut the phones that have the usb on the top
  • [10:57:48] <mru> panto: I see nothing nsfw there
  • [10:58:17] <mru> _av500__: such horrors still exist?
  • [10:58:48] <_av500__> yes
  • [10:58:51] <_av500__> we even sell some
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  • [11:00:07] <gentooma1> Hey!, I got myself a new beaglebone black and I was wondering if it is not possible to login via serial line via usb?
  • [11:00:33] <_av500_> the black has no ftdi
  • [11:00:57] <_av500_> and I dont think default ships with usb serial
  • [11:00:58] <mru> and that's a damn good thing too
  • [11:01:09] <_av500_> mru: in your eyes, yes
  • [11:01:27] <mru> it wouldn't be _quite_ so bad if the board and the ftdi were powered separately
  • [11:02:01] <_av500_> true that
  • [11:02:56] <gentooma1> hmm, that's a pity ;/ - so I need an external connector when I want to access the serial console?
  • [11:02:58] <mru> nothing is more annoying than the board starting to boot before the ftdi has been enumerated by the pc
  • [11:03:05] <_av500_> gentooma1: yes
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  • [11:03:11] <_av500_> ftdi cable
  • [11:03:19] <mru> doesn't need to be ftdi
  • [11:03:27] <mru> _any_ serial cable will do
  • [11:03:32] <mru> possibly with some level shifters
  • [11:03:35] <koen> 3.3V serial cable
  • [11:03:42] <koen> not the 12V kind
  • [11:03:52] <mru> obviously
  • [11:03:55] <ynezz> $1.50 on Ebay
  • [11:04:14] <_av500_> ynezz: yes, but paypal is the devil
  • [11:04:14] <gentooma1> okay, thanks - but it's a bit funny then that it'll show up as ttyACM0
  • [11:04:28] <ynezz> _av500_: just buy 20pcs :p
  • [11:04:41] <mru> _av500_: paying through paypal isn't that bad
  • [11:04:45] <mru> you just use a credit card
  • [11:04:51] <mrpackethead> doh dohd ohd odh odhdohdh.
  • [11:05:05] <mru> and I trust paypal with my card number more than I would most ebay sellers
  • [11:05:26] <mrpackethead> i've used paypal a lot and its ok
  • [11:05:37] <mru> receiving money sucks though
  • [11:05:43] <ynezz> it does?
  • [11:05:51] <mru> try getting it out of paypal
  • [11:05:54] <mrpackethead> i've probalby done 5000+ transactons
  • [11:05:59] <ynezz> I did
  • [11:06:00] <mrpackethead> and not had problems getting money out
  • [11:06:06] <mru> if you respend it within paypal it works ok
  • [11:06:07] <panto> ka6sox-away, you'd be interested to know that bone cam works on the black now
  • [11:06:16] <panto> *modulo QL craziness
  • [11:06:20] <mrpackethead> its in the bank the next day
  • [11:06:30] <mru> and how many fees did they charge you?
  • [11:06:37] <mrpackethead> 2% or so
  • [11:06:56] <mrpackethead> about the same as 2%
  • [11:07:26] <mru> and how many per cent was the payment to begin with?
  • [11:07:40] <mrpackethead> ?
  • [11:07:53] <mrpackethead> its on par with what i'd pay for c/card processing with a bank
  • [11:08:27] <ynezz> sometimes they've better exchange rates then bank
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  • [11:11:07] <ynezz> anyway, that ftdi console thingy is strange but convenient (the enumeration issue could be overcomed by reset button if the reset doesn't cut off the power to the ftdi also)
  • [11:11:23] <mru> and if you grow an extra arm
  • [11:11:44] <mru> who the hell came up with that idea, zaphod beeblebrox?
  • [11:11:59] <ynezz> boris?
  • [11:12:38] <_av500_> zaphod borisbone
  • [11:12:50] <_av500_> jazon borisbone
  • [11:12:53] <ynezz> I've experienced it just a few hours ago for the first time on the carambola2 devboard
  • [11:13:22] <ynezz> strange as hell, getting to the u-boot via USB cable
  • [11:13:37] <ynezz> where that world is heading to...
  • [11:17:15] <ynezz> those iPants are crazy
  • [11:17:18] <_av500_> the good ole dtime of line printers and toggle buttons
  • [11:17:25] <_av500_> old times
  • [11:17:39] <jkroon_> Anyone know of a Beaglebone linux kernel with RT patching available in some layer ?
  • [11:18:21] <mru> just take a regular bone kernel and rt-patch it
  • [11:19:00] <jkroon_> mru, sounds like a plan, will do
  • [11:19:27] <mru> I doubt there's much conflict between the bone patches and the rt ones
  • [11:19:59] <_av500_> just load rt.dtb
  • [11:20:30] <koen> pretty much all drivers will fail when used with 'RT'
  • [11:20:37] <koen> quality work from TII, as usual
  • [11:20:41] <panto> serial console might work
  • [11:21:00] <jkroon_> koen, why is that.. ?
  • [11:21:00] <koen> network might work as well, panto fixed that up
  • [11:21:09] <mru> koen: what are they doing wrong?
  • [11:21:13] <panto> koen, I doubt it
  • [11:21:26] <_av500_> mru: not caring
  • [11:21:27] <panto> I just fixed a bug
  • [11:21:36] <koen> jkroon_: TII is not know for understanding the hw they write drivers for
  • [11:21:51] <koen> or understanding linux
  • [11:22:02] <jkroon_> heh.. thats sad
  • [11:22:19] <koen> keeps consultants fed
  • [11:22:26] <jkroon_> sure
  • [11:22:29] * panto likes to eat
  • [11:22:34] <_av500_> panto is well fed
  • [11:22:34] <jkroon_> im a consultant myself :-)
  • [11:23:39] <ynezz> working for TI? :p
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  • [11:24:27] <jkroon_> no, but I want to use linux + beaglebone on one of our machines
  • [11:24:43] <jkroon_> and we want the realtime patch applied
  • [11:24:59] <panto> jkroon_, if you have RT stuff to do, better do it on the PRU
  • [11:25:14] <jkroon_> panto, PRU ?
  • [11:25:18] <panto> RT on am33xx with the drivers as they are, will make you cry
  • [11:25:25] <panto> Programmable Realtime Unit
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  • [11:26:00] <jkroon_> the beaglebone has one ?
  • [11:26:05] <fiola> Two
  • [11:26:06] <koen> two
  • [11:26:11] <panto> two!
  • [11:26:12] <ynezz> 2
  • [11:26:16] * panto piles on
  • [11:26:17] <jkroon_> haha :-)
  • [11:26:55] <koen> http://elinux.org/Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2
  • [11:27:08] <fiola> jkroon_: https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package/tree/master/Documentation
  • [11:27:10] * mdp moves PRU above uarts and DT on bigboard top topics leader list
  • [11:27:38] <mdp> go to koen's link first
  • [11:27:51] <_av500_> dont follow random links off irc
  • [11:27:59] <fiola> And from TI, http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Programmable_Realtime_Unit_Subsystem
  • [11:28:55] <mdp> fiola, that's pruss v1...important differences
  • [11:29:05] <fiola> Yes, but background
  • [11:29:18] <_av500_> ....I would like to know how installing WINDOWS on BeagleBoard BLACK as shown on your reference manual BBONEBLK_SRM....
  • [11:29:26] <mru> differences like the multiplier
  • [11:29:31] <fiola> Long before he implements any PREU code, he'll see differences :P
  • [11:30:45] <mdp> if he reads the elinux page it pulls everything together in one place
  • [11:31:44] <fiola> It's also worth pointing out to anyone who mentions "realtime patch" that so-called "realtime Linux" only eliminates the high latency outliers produced by normal scheduling, and doesn't do anything to improve normal response latency nor normal jitter. In fact, the latency is slightly worse, if you exclude the outliers. So PRU vastly better.
  • [11:36:06] <jkroon_> interesting stuff, thanks everyone
  • [11:36:32] <fiola> Have fun :-)
  • [11:38:07] <_av500_> hmm, is there a way to take an existing linux driver and PRUrify it?
  • [11:38:25] <fiola> The PRUs are a front-page bullet point on the beaglebone site nowadays, as "the competition" (:P) doesn't have anything like it
  • [11:38:47] <fiola> Hmmm, that's a nice idea
  • [11:39:06] <fiola> A skeleton to help people do that, yeah, would be cool.
  • [11:40:06] <mdp> _av500_: which the switch to remoteproc...yes
  • [11:40:10] <mdp> witg
  • [11:40:16] <mdp> with?
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  • [11:40:47] <mdp> -ECOFFEE
  • [11:41:06] <_av500_> a witch switch?
  • [11:41:29] <mru> is that another name for duff's device?
  • [11:41:37] <fiola> Hehe
  • [11:41:49] <fiola> Nah, Duff's is a wizard switch :P
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  • [11:54:15] <mdp> fiola: re: front page bulletpoint. "never ever confuse marketing with the truth"
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  • [11:54:55] <fiola> Haha, too true :P
  • [11:55:21] <sandeepk87> how can i add a new proposal for sponsored beagle board project on elinux.org
  • [11:56:23] <fiola> mdp: But this is an unusual case, because if the marketing for BB is fantasy, we can drag Jason over the coals :P
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  • [12:03:50] <_av500_> sandeepk87: I dont think that programe is still active
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  • [12:17:32] <panto> speaking of duff's device I just read that protothreads use them
  • [12:17:53] <mru> what are protothreads?
  • [12:18:20] <panto> low overhead threading simulation for uCs
  • [12:18:32] <panto> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protothreads
  • [12:18:48] <panto> contiki use them extensively
  • [12:18:53] <panto> might make sense for the PRUs too
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  • [12:20:57] <panto> tbh, duff's device is the portable implementation, they use computed gotos on gcc
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  • [12:26:11] <Moult_> can anyone recommend some absolute beginner tutorials for creating a simple circuit with the beaglebone black?
  • [12:29:08] <panto> you can take a look at all the design files of the capes available
  • [12:30:07] <panto> Moult_, pick any from here http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Capes
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  • [12:31:40] <Moult_> panto: uh, i don't think i'm looking for capes
  • [12:32:47] <jackmitchell> I can tell you how to make an LED circuit, is that what you want?
  • [12:32:58] <jackmitchell> if not, you need to be more specific
  • [12:34:08] <mdp> panto, yeah, I like the contiki implementation
  • [12:34:37] <panto> yep
  • [12:35:07] <panto> not having local vars is a bit weird, but for the kind of constrained envs we're talking about it's no big deal
  • [12:37:34] <_av500_> Moult_: stick a low current led into a GPIO and the other end into GND
  • [12:37:45] <_av500_> there , circuit
  • [12:38:14] <Moult_> _av500_: any gpio that isn't a ground will do?
  • [12:38:25] <jackmitchell> Moult_: http://elinux.org/EBC_Exercise_10_Flashing_an_LED
  • [12:38:32] <jackmitchell> take a look at that about halfway down
  • [12:39:02] <jackmitchell> leds, switches, potentiometers; everything you could ever need for a circuit
  • [12:40:50] <jkroon_> Not sure I get the big picture of how to use the PRU.. but for a example, our machine has sensors that returns input to the main cpu. If the data is outside a given range (which is determined by the main cpu), the machine shall stop everything. Am I correct in understanding that I can use the PRU to do this periodical check, by having it retrieve input from sensor and alarm levels from the main cpu ?
  • [12:41:14] <jkroon_> or am I way off here
  • [12:42:36] <panto> yes
  • [12:42:48] <panto> depends on how you read those inputs
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  • [12:43:45] <panto> jkroon_, how do you read those sensors?
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  • [12:44:22] <jkroon_> panto, uhm.. not sure to be honest
  • [12:44:35] <panto> lol
  • [12:44:57] <jkroon_> i dont even know what ways there are
  • [12:45:24] <jkroon_> well, I know as much that we want to use SPI to talk to the sensors
  • [12:46:21] <jkroon_> but i guess thats not the kind of answer you were looking for ?
  • [12:46:50] <panto> no, PRU can access the SPI blocks
  • [12:47:02] <panto> or even bitbang one out of the i/o it has available
  • [12:47:20] <panto> but it's more complicated
  • [12:49:35] <jkroon_> panto, but ok, so I kind of got a correct picture of it .. ? pru reads input from spi, and compares with alarm levels calculated by the cpu ?
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  • [12:50:50] <panto> yes
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  • [12:51:23] <jkroon_> panto, which one did you refer to as "complicated" ? bitbanging, reading spi, or both ?
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  • [12:52:38] <panto> you have to do that in assembly
  • [12:52:42] <panto> PRU assembly
  • [12:53:11] <cmicali> the best assembly
  • [12:53:59] <jkroon_> then I better learn RISC assembler
  • [12:54:13] <cmicali> jkroon what are you trying to build
  • [12:54:35] <panto> fwiw, if you get it working, the latencies will be nothing short of amazingly low
  • [12:54:55] <cmicali> i just finished basically 6 straight weeks of PRU coding yesterday
  • [12:55:02] <cmicali> glad it's over
  • [12:55:37] <jkroon_> well, it shouldnt that complicated, right ? just read in value, compare to alarm limits, signal out the result
  • [12:55:43] <jkroon_> sounds simple :-D
  • [12:55:46] <jackmitchell> jkroon_: heh
  • [12:56:11] <jackmitchell> tell us that again after you've tried it :P
  • [12:56:16] <jkroon_> hehe
  • [12:56:28] <panto> count head hairs before, and after
  • [12:57:10] <jkroon_> panto, well, if i kernelhacker like you says something like that im getting a little nervous
  • [12:57:12] <Spirilis> reminds me of this- http://25.media.tumblr.com/45afee799b7f5291cabaf875f294cc12/tumblr_mhodgppoZR1rdsvyro1_250.jpg
  • [12:57:34] <panto> torment grows character :)
  • [12:57:45] <jackmitchell> and cynicism
  • [12:57:50] <Spirilis> that's one way to put it
  • [12:57:53] <jkroon_> indeed
  • [12:57:56] <panto> or realism
  • [12:58:00] <mru> same thing
  • [12:58:19] <mdp> I do not accept your reality
  • [12:58:25] <Spirilis> what do you call someone who completes some torment then decides he's sick of that platform and goes to another to experience the torment anew?
  • [12:58:29] <Spirilis> masochist right?
  • [12:58:40] <Rickta59> what are you doing with the PRU cmicali ?
  • [12:58:46] <mru> mdp: you have no choice, I'm the one imagining it
  • [12:58:54] <mdp> aieee
  • [12:58:56] <cmicali> rickta: high-speed A/D
  • [12:59:11] <cmicali> rickta: continuous sampling though, which i couldn't coax out of the kernel spi api
  • [12:59:17] <Rickta59> is that something for an opensource project?
  • [12:59:36] <Spirilis> that does sound like something the PRU would be good for, imo (what tiny bit I know about it)
  • [12:59:48] <cmicali> prototype for commercial product, although I am going to try to open source as much of the useful bits as i can
  • [13:00:00] <Rickta59> what kind of speed does that deliver?
  • [13:00:22] <cmicali> about 2Ms/s right now, 16 bit samples so 4mb/s
  • [13:00:25] <Rickta59> nice
  • [13:00:34] <cmicali> could be faster, limitation is mostly in the chips i'm using
  • [13:00:44] <Rickta59> i've thought a good use for one of the BBB would be a cheap oscope
  • [13:00:50] <Rickta59> doing just that .. using the PRI
  • [13:00:52] <Rickta59> doing just that .. using the PRU
  • [13:00:58] <cmicali> in retrospect made wrong decision on one of the chips, i guess there is always v2
  • [13:01:08] <cmicali> there's a grad student working on such a project
  • [13:01:14] <Rickta59> link?
  • [13:01:17] <cmicali> searching
  • [13:01:40] <cmicali> rickta: https://potterlab.gatech.edu/main/newman/wiki/index.php?title=BoneClamp
  • [13:01:42] <Rickta59> certainly a kick ass logic analyzer would be possible also
  • [13:01:43] <Rickta59> thanks
  • [13:02:03] <cmicali> i think you could pretty easily make both with the hardware/software i have now
  • [13:02:14] <mdp> cmicali, so you've been successful in the continuous sampling via that path?
  • [13:02:17] <cmicali> there is a lot of delay
  • [13:02:23] <cmicali> I'm using big buffers
  • [13:02:27] <cmicali> could be worked around though
  • [13:02:30] <cmicali> mdp: yeah finally
  • [13:02:39] <mdp> cmicali, great!
  • [13:02:47] <cmicali> mdp: had it working a while ago, but requirement change forced different sampling rates for different channels, and that set me back like 2 weeks
  • [13:02:52] <mdp> Rickta59, other people working on it
  • [13:03:12] <koen> RTAI and Xenomai are dead ends
  • [13:03:12] <mdp> cmicali, ahh, always the "finishing details" take so much time
  • [13:03:18] <cmicali> mdp: yeah
  • [13:03:19] <koen> PREEMPT-RT is the way of teh future
  • [13:03:30] <mdp> cmicali, I have been paying 100% attention here so I probably missed your cries of success
  • [13:03:31] <cmicali> gotta say, the PRU has been amazing - could not have done this w/o it
  • [13:03:35] <mdp> s/have/have not/
  • [13:03:44] <cmicali> would have required an external FPGA or something
  • [13:03:45] <Rickta59> so most projects using a real beagle bone can just use the BBB at a lower price?
  • [13:03:59] <jackmitchell> koen: do we have a PREEMPT-RT beaglebone booting with the 3.8 now the patch has been released?
  • [13:04:09] <mdp> cmicali, yeah, I have a challenge to anybody that can duplicate my bone 6502 cape using full rt preempt instead of the PRU. :)
  • [13:04:15] <cmicali> so A++ for am335x and the beagle bone team for getting the docs/examples published
  • [13:04:18] <Rickta59> I've only started looking at this since hte price drop
  • [13:04:18] <mdp> at 1MHz
  • [13:04:21] <cmicali> mdp: hah
  • [13:04:27] <cmicali> mdp: i will kick in $1000 reward to see that
  • [13:04:57] <mdp> cmicali, yeah, I was thinking of something sexy like offering a free ticket to the next cleveland mini-makerfaire ;)
  • [13:05:14] <mdp> and I'll buy beer
  • [13:05:15] <jackmitchell> mdp: including plane ticket ;)
  • [13:05:32] <mdp> wait, no!
  • [13:05:46] <mdp> I don't think anybody will be able to collect though ;)
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  • [13:05:58] <mdp> as fiola pointed out earlier
  • [13:06:04] <cmicali> mdp: well seriously i could fund $500 of that reward - i think a working example would be worth more than that :)
  • [13:06:10] <koen> jackmitchell: I expect drivers to fail, but won't know till someone tries
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  • [13:06:55] <jackmitchell> koen: yeah, I've made a commitment to myself to give it a go when 3.10-rt is in the wild
  • [13:07:21] <jackmitchell> hopefully a bit more stable by then
  • [13:07:21] <mdp> "it holds the promise of the future"
  • [13:07:39] <mdp> koen, famous DT quotes ;)
  • [13:07:44] <cmicali> haha
  • [13:08:01] <cmicali> quote is true if the promise is that they promise you will be frustrated
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  • [13:08:28] <mdp> applicable to so many things..and vague enough to give you warm fuzzies
  • [13:10:57] <Moult_> _av500_: right, exactly what i was looking for
  • [13:11:18] <Moult_> _av500_: doesn't work with a motor (3V) though. any ideas what might be wrong?
  • [13:12:01] <jackmitchell> Moult_: seriously? not enough power maybe...
  • [13:12:32] <jackmitchell> switch a transistor from the GPIO which in turn switches power to the motor
  • [13:13:10] <jackmitchell> I would also recommend buying a basic electronics book
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  • [13:14:06] <Moult_> jackmitchell: yeah. i do need a basic electronics book :(
  • [13:15:09] <mdp> I really need to document my flash an led trivial example "the right way" so people quit using boxysean's blog
  • [13:15:25] <mdp> need to find a way to buy some time
  • [13:15:53] * panto give mdp ?0.02
  • [13:16:04] <panto> *gives
  • [13:16:53] * jackmitchell takes 3 seconds by making you read this completely irrelevant line :P
  • [13:17:04] <mdp> heh
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  • [13:17:23] <jackmitchell> </trollmode>
  • [13:17:36] <mru> it's friday, keep it on
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  • [13:21:12] <jackmitchell> Moult_: http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-arduino-lesson-13-dc-motors/transistors
  • [13:21:32] <jackmitchell> same electronic concept, different micro controller
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  • [13:25:53] <Moult_> jackmitchell: ahh thanks that was really helpful
  • [13:26:24] <jackmitchell> good
  • [13:26:37] <Moult_> jackmitchell: i don't have any transitors on me, but i'll see if i can get it working over the weekend
  • [13:27:32] <Moult_> i should probably purchase a series of standard components which are likely to be used. any suggestions?
  • [13:27:45] <Moult_> jackmitchell: http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=YM2706&form=CAT2&SUBCATID=983#1 that's the motor btw
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  • [13:29:55] <cmicali> mdp: by right way you mean with a r30 pin and not gpio yeah?
  • [13:30:51] <cmicali> mdp: the hard part is going to be explaining the right way to get the pins muxed
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  • [13:31:37] <mdp> cmicali, sure, that's why things are time consuming...it's all the overhead stuff and such
  • [13:31:58] <mdp> it was simpler on the 3.6 kernel..i.e. less work to write up..
  • [13:32:00] <cmicali> yeah
  • [13:32:09] <cmicali> i also think that dt overlays are really confusing for most people
  • [13:32:22] <mdp> having the example handy is one thing...documentation with #exactsteps takes real time
  • [13:32:23] <cmicali> it adds a big barrier to entry
  • [13:32:25] <mdp> sure
  • [13:33:04] <cmicali> maybe we need a PRU cape dtbo shipped with bone
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  • [13:34:53] <koen> cmicali: like cape-bone-nixie-00A0.dtbo ?
  • [13:35:23] <cmicali> koen: exactly, just one that only has the pinmux for all of the pru0 pins
  • [13:36:00] <cmicali> would make a 'getting started with the pru' doc that much easier
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  • [13:36:45] <koen> ah, only the mux
  • [13:36:51] <cmicali> yeah
  • [13:37:38] <cmicali> nixie w/o the pwm and led stuff
  • [13:37:43] <cmicali> and more pins
  • [13:37:50] <cmicali> i could submit a pull request
  • [13:37:55] <cmicali> i have like 90% of that already
  • [13:37:59] <koen> please do
  • [13:38:06] <koen> I was about to say "patches accepted"
  • [13:38:25] <cmicali> i'll put it together - still need to figure out what is going wrong with the latest kernel though
  • [13:39:29] <cmicali> i have a todo to look more into it
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  • [13:46:43] <jkroon_> is the dt overlay thingie something thats being proposed for the official linux kernel ?
  • [13:47:07] <panto> yeah
  • [13:47:17] <panto> but work is needed to get in
  • [13:47:23] <jkroon_> cool
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  • [13:49:19] <_av500_> Moult_: find a motor that only draws 2mA
  • [13:49:33] <_av500_> or switch it properly
  • [13:50:00] <Moult_> _av500_: i'll switch it properly using the transistor
  • [13:51:18] <Moult_> well i've got a led plugged in from P8_3 to ground, but doing b.pinMode('P8_3', 'out'); b.digitalWrite('P8_3', 0); doesn't turn it off. i though setting the mode to output then setting the state to 0 was the same as turning it off?
  • [13:52:15] <Spirilis> Moult_: you using the cloud9 IDE?
  • [13:52:41] <Moult_> Spirilis: yes
  • [13:53:06] <Spirilis> Moult_: it's been flaky as hell for me, does your IDE debug thing have the "stop" icon right now?
  • [13:53:25] <Moult_> Spirilis: yes
  • [13:53:40] <Spirilis> basically what I've found is when you write bonescript apps and try to run them, it usually doesn't run them but sits in some state of limbo doing nothing. ideally your app should run, then stop pretty soon after and leave you with the green play/debug button up there
  • [13:53:49] <Moult_> Spirilis: it has been rather flaky, yes
  • [13:53:50] <Moult_> Spirilis: i have also tried it via the demo bonescripts section
  • [13:54:19] <Spirilis> if you login to the beaglebone black via SSH and run your app directly using the 'node' command it'll probably work
  • [13:54:31] <Spirilis> login as root, "node /var/lib/cloud9/blahblah.js" or whatever it is
  • [13:54:50] <Moult_> Spirilis: if i switch P8_3 to USR0 it works fine
  • [13:55:34] <Spirilis> ah k, I just wouldn't count out the idea that the IDE isn't working at all here :) in my experience so far it's hit or miss whether the IDE actually runs your program when you hit play...
  • [13:56:45] <Spirilis> the pushbutton examples in the webpage always work but I think they run the programs without the debug feature, which seems to be the hangup right now
  • [13:56:54] <Spirilis> er form button
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  • [13:58:02] <Moult_> Spirilis: it's definitely running. i got it to change the USR0 light too
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  • [14:04:31] <jakes> Anyone have luck using edimax 7811Un wireless usb dongle on beaglebone black?
  • [14:05:17] <koen> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
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  • [14:07:17] <jakes> I have downloaded and tried to make but receive error build directory doesn't exist - I have kerne-headers and kernel-dev installed
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  • [14:12:58] <jkroon_> is the uio_pruss driver non-working with the 3.8 kernel ?
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  • [14:13:43] <mdp> jkroon_, sorta...someone posted a magic up/down script on the list which claimed to get it going
  • [14:14:23] <jkroon_> mdp, hmm, i better start subscribing to this list... which one is it ?
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  • [14:15:34] <mdp> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/beagleboard
  • [14:15:43] <jkroon_> ugh.. google
  • [14:15:43] <mdp> one the web page under community, forums
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  • [14:16:03] <mdp> suscribe and read in mutt
  • [14:16:15] <cmicali> jkroon: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/issues/37
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  • [14:18:16] <mdp> there's the magic ;)
  • [14:19:23] <jkroon_> thats some magic allright..
  • [14:19:36] <panto> cmicali, brrr
  • [14:19:37] <mdp> this is specific to 3.8 and the cape manager stuff
  • [14:19:39] <panto> that's crazy
  • [14:19:44] <mdp> it worked fine on 3.6
  • [14:19:50] * panto needs to look at it
  • [14:19:56] <mdp> well, maybe due to hwmod reset management updates
  • [14:20:00] <mdp> panto, yes you do ;)
  • [14:20:00] <panto> mdp, it worked on a previous 3.8
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  • [14:20:34] <panto> I have about 4 things to do which have greater priority
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  • [14:22:28] <mdp> 5 things, all top priority!
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  • [14:24:59] <Miragul> Hello, i have flashed my bbb with the lastest 2013-05-08 angstrom distri and when iam connecting it with the usb cabel to my laptop and ssh in through GateOne i dont see any output... any idea why?
  • [14:25:09] <holkar> beaglebone leds are not blinking
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  • [14:39:44] <ka6sox-away> panto, YAY!!!
  • [14:40:31] <panto> ka6sox-away, only tested in my throwaway bbb A1, but there's a chance it might work on production ones :P
  • [14:40:42] <jakes> Miragul: couldn't get that to work either - just hung connecting...
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  • [14:41:33] <panto> ka6sox-away, I think that something is busted with the camera cape though
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  • [14:41:55] <panto> will need people with scopes to check why the board hangs at higher resolutions/rates
  • [14:43:36] <cmicali> pant i will do some digging on that issue today
  • [14:43:38] <cmicali> panto
  • [14:43:51] <cmicali> now that i'm out from under deadline pressure
  • [14:43:58] <cmicali> and have at least a few minutes to do something else
  • [14:44:49] <mru> panto: what kind of scope, lexical or dynamic?
  • [14:45:09] <panto> local
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  • [14:48:56] <ka6sox-away> panto, I do not have that cape...but I do have Local Scope...
  • [14:49:22] <panto> you have your own gpmc stuff though
  • [14:49:30] <ka6sox-away> but of course
  • [14:49:37] <ka6sox-away> BCC
  • [14:49:49] <panto> you can take a look at the CAM3 cape and see how it's done
  • [14:49:56] <ka6sox-away> ya
  • [14:50:01] <panto> I'm not very happy with the way GPMC is configured/used
  • [14:50:05] <ka6sox-away> I can probably emulate it.
  • [14:50:15] <ka6sox-away> :)
  • [14:50:35] <panto> anyway, tgif
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  • [14:52:29] <ka6sox-away> panto, indeed! TGIF!
  • [14:53:30] <holkar> i hv problem with beaglebone only power led is flashing other leds are not flashing
  • [14:55:34] <ka6sox-away> <#5> need input </#5>
  • [14:56:06] <cmicali> tfgif
  • [14:58:09] <holkar> usr1,2,3,4 leds r not flashing please tell me what to do
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  • [14:59:28] <Spirilis> holkar: describe your setup. beaglebone black right?
  • [14:59:44] <Spirilis> holkar: any SD cards installed, is it just plugged into your computer with a USB cable?
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  • [15:02:51] <holkar> i hv angstrom distribution which came with beagle bone
  • [15:03:22] <holkar> its not beaglebone black
  • [15:03:36] <Spirilis> ah I have no idea then, only have a bbblack :-)
  • [15:04:47] <Spirilis> hmm, side note, just found the gear icon for Run mode so you can disable Debug mode in cloud9.
  • [15:04:59] <Spirilis> that works better. would be nice to have working debugging but it doesn't seem to be happening at all
  • [15:07:20] <holkar> i dont know about cloud
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  • [15:19:03] <jackmitchell> holkar: have you connected it to your computer and read what the serial says when you power the board up? If not, do that.
  • [15:20:46] <jackmitchell> holkar: otherwise, I would try a fresh flash of the sd card detailed here: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
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  • [15:24:37] <koen> I built an up to date sd card image today: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.05.10.img.xz
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  • [15:25:50] <Spirilis> koen: that's equal to the 5/8/2013 eMMC image?
  • [15:26:31] <koen> no
  • [15:26:40] <koen> 2 days of updates
  • [15:26:43] <Spirilis> gotcha :)
  • [15:26:48] <Spirilis> might try it for kicks
  • [15:26:59] <Spirilis> got a 32GB somewhat fast uSD card now for doing crazy stuff
  • [15:27:19] <cmicali> koen kernel updates or other stuff too?
  • [15:27:26] <koen> Spirilis: http://hastebin.com/xoyixuwohe.coffee
  • [15:27:42] <koen> cmicali: see the above link :)
  • [15:27:47] <cmicali> ah nice
  • [15:28:13] <fiola> Mmmm, coffee
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  • [15:28:50] <Spirilis> woot
  • [15:30:16] <Spirilis> any of you really familiar with the cloud9 IDE's debugger or is this new territory? doesn't seem to work at all, executes the node command with my .js file but hangs indefinitely with journalctl showing errors connecting I guess (I opened a thread about this already)
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  • [15:37:44] <jkroon_> tgif for me 2
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  • [15:44:37] <cmicali> koen: is there a beagle bone version of the angstrom getting started guide?
  • [15:44:56] <cmicali> I'm looking @ http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
  • [15:45:28] <koen> why does there need to be a bone specfic one?
  • [15:45:42] <cmicali> maybe there's not, just used the 'beagle board' config?
  • [15:45:56] <koen> MACHINE=beaglebone bitbake what-I-want
  • [15:46:00] <ka6sox> mdp, panto: would this be helpful:http://elinux.org/Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2#Beaglebone_PRU_connections_and_modes:
  • [15:46:26] <ka6sox> only done the top line for 1, but its a lot of work so want to make sure its helpful first.
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  • [15:47:46] <mdp> ka6sox, sure...couldn't hurt to put the magic am335x pinctrl-single DT specific offset too
  • [15:49:23] <cmicali> that is awesome
  • [15:49:37] <cmicali> yeah definitely would include the pinctrl offsets
  • [15:49:48] <ka6sox> so instead of 990h it would be teh 190h offset
  • [15:49:53] <mdp> correct
  • [15:50:03] <mdp> but show both
  • [15:50:13] <mdp> the 190h thing is a FAQ that can be addressed at least
  • [15:50:19] <mdp> in this context
  • [15:50:24] <ka6sox> kk
  • [15:50:33] <mdp> but you want 990h there as well so it grokable next to the TRM
  • [15:51:52] <ka6sox> reload
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  • [15:52:15] <mdp> that would be a sexy column in bradfa's tables too IMHO
  • [15:52:24] <mdp> yet another thing I should make time for ;)
  • [15:52:32] <Spirilis> cloud9 debugging, definitely a race condition, running cloud9 inside strace and debug mode works perfectly every time. the whole IDE is slowed down from the strace
  • [15:52:43] <ka6sox> I don't have time to do this in a bunch of places
  • [15:52:50] <ka6sox> (and neither do you!)
  • [15:52:51] <mdp> very nice
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  • [15:53:02] <mdp> I mention it in case somebody is really bored ;)
  • [15:53:31] <mdp> I must give priority to the imminent arrival of my two 27" IPS displays
  • [15:53:36] <mdp> we need some alone time
  • [15:53:40] <bradfa> pull requests accepted
  • [15:53:57] <bradfa> but not right now, it's lunch
  • [15:54:01] <ka6sox> bradfa, understood :)
  • [15:54:11] <mdp> "patches welcome"
  • [15:54:18] <lordchainer> hi, just bought a BBB. I want it to automatically boot from SD instead of eMMC (without pressing the boot button). Any ideas? I read somewhere that i could use rootfs and uEnv.txt but i have no idea how
  • [15:55:05] <mru> tape the button down :)
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  • [15:55:55] <cmicali> ka6sox: fyi i made a syntax highlighter for pru assembly for textmate/sublimettext/chocolat https://github.com/sagedevices/ti-pruv2-assembly-textmate-bundle - makes things much easer
  • [15:56:03] <eikeon> Any pointers to instructions for how to flash a disk image onto the eMMC? I have a working disk image with ubuntu that I'm currently booting from using the ??SD slot. Can I use BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.08.img.xz and just replace the root partition?
  • [15:56:50] <jackmitchell> mdp: have you bought some south Lorean beauties?
  • [15:56:56] <jackmitchell> s/Lorean/Korean
  • [15:57:09] <jackmitchell> or have you gone posh with Dells or the like?
  • [15:57:13] <_av500_> lordchainer: just kill MLO on emmc
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  • [15:57:26] <mru> 27" is too large
  • [15:57:26] <_av500_> then it should always boot from uSD
  • [15:57:36] <_av500_> 27" is fine
  • [15:57:49] <jackmitchell> mru: I thought so too until I bought two, now i'm of the opinion 24 is too small
  • [15:57:50] <mdp> jackmitchell, ok, so my wife seeing this log will be 'inquisitive'
  • [15:57:54] <mdp> but yes, korean
  • [15:58:00] <mru> depends on viewing distance obviously
  • [15:58:03] <ssi> 27" is great so long as it's 2560x1440 or higher
  • [15:58:05] <jackmitchell> mdp: which ones? I have a pair of the CrossOvers
  • [15:58:10] <ssi> otherwise it's just big elderly people pixels
  • [15:58:16] <_av500_> ssi: indeed
  • [15:58:22] <mdp> mru, I test drove other 27" units locally at proper viewing distance
  • [15:58:29] <mdp> and they are 2560x1440 fwiw
  • [15:58:29] <ssi> or a TV
  • [15:58:30] <Mode-M> hi, is there a guide how to flash a ubifs image on the nand flash of the beagleboard?
  • [15:58:39] <_av500_> it has no nand
  • [15:58:40] <lordchainer> _av500_ how do i do that? Sorry, I'm a beginner with system files
  • [15:58:50] <_av500_> rm
  • [15:58:57] <_av500_> Mode-M: or you mean beagle classic?
  • [15:59:09] <lordchainer> _av500_ : how do i do that? Sorry, I'm a beginner with system files
  • [15:59:09] <Mode-M> i mean the beagleboard c2
  • [15:59:14] <_av500_> ah
  • [15:59:26] <_av500_> lordchainer: log in
  • [15:59:46] <_av500_> via ssh
  • [15:59:49] <mdp> mru, proper desk mounts arriving to adjust them correctly too..that's critical
  • [15:59:56] <_av500_> mount the fta partition and delete MLO
  • [16:00:00] <_av500_> FAT partition
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  • [16:00:42] <ka6sox> cmicali, is this somewhere that people can get to it?
  • [16:00:42] <Mode-M> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardNAND uses jffs2, but i want to use ubifs
  • [16:01:00] <cmicali> ka6sox: that github repo, https://github.com/sagedevices/ti-pruv2-assembly-textmate-bundle
  • [16:01:01] <mru> mdp: let me put it this way: I certainly wouldn't mind having some more pixels in my 24" 1920x1200 display
  • [16:01:10] <_av500_> Mode-M: I dont think there is a guide
  • [16:01:20] <cmicali> ka6sox: up a level i also have a fork of the PRU package that includes an example accessing DDR memory
  • [16:01:29] <cmicali> ka6sox: planning on adding a few more examples too
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  • [16:01:39] <ka6sox> cmicali, please add that to the wikipage under resources?
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  • [16:01:52] <cmicali> ka6sox: not sure i have access to edit the wiki
  • [16:02:07] <ka6sox> ask for it...wmat or prpplague can "promote" you
  • [16:02:59] <cmicali> ka6sox: account requested, "cmicali"
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  • [16:03:16] <mdp> mru, that's where I am at now, in fact..one good 24" 1920x1200..and another very crappy 22" low res
  • [16:03:17] <ka6sox> now we politely ask prpplague or wmat to promite you.
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  • [16:03:46] <mdp> and I'm elderly for this industry..so 27" is going to be ok ;)
  • [16:03:53] <cmicali> prpplague: i humbly request promotion
  • [16:04:10] <ka6sox> mdp, +1
  • [16:04:17] <ka6sox> I resemble that remark
  • [16:04:55] <_av500_> mdp: when we started android work, we visited google, and the android team each had 2x30" on their desks
  • [16:04:58] * prpplague looks in
  • [16:05:08] <prpplague> elinux.org wiki?
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  • [16:05:12] <_av500_> so I told my boss, ok, lets do android, but we need new HW :)
  • [16:05:12] <ka6sox> yes
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  • [16:05:25] <ka6sox> please
  • [16:05:30] <mru> mdp: yes, and I'd like more *pixels*, not more size
  • [16:05:40] <prpplague> edits for elinux are open to anyone
  • [16:05:46] <prpplague> just need an account
  • [16:05:52] <psw> Is it possible to make voice calls connecting a gsm modem to beagleboard xm?
  • [16:05:59] <ka6sox> yes, he is requesting an account cmicali
  • [16:06:16] <mdp> mru, understood
  • [16:06:29] <ka6sox> mru, I need bigger pixels...not more
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  • [16:06:32] <prpplague> done
  • [16:06:38] <ka6sox> prpplague, thanks!
  • [16:06:54] <mdp> ka6sox, apple ][ low-res graphics ought to do the trick
  • [16:07:12] <ka6sox> my first attempt at RCU
  • [16:07:13] <cmicali> prpplague: thank you
  • [16:07:17] <Mode-M> can someone please confirm that this works for recent angstrom versions? http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beagleboard/flasher/README
  • [16:07:35] <Mode-M> and of course recent u-boot versions
  • [16:07:54] <jackmitchell> right beer time y'all, till Monday!
  • [16:07:57] <ka6sox> mdp, yup
  • [16:08:03] <ka6sox> laters jackmitchell
  • [16:08:11] <_av500_> Mode-M: no
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  • [16:08:57] <_av500_> Mode-M: it might work
  • [16:09:10] <Mode-M> mmh.
  • [16:09:10] <_av500_> I have no idea if anybody tried that recently
  • [16:09:11] <ka6sox> mdp, I got a 17" MBP not because of more pixels....
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  • [16:24:07] <exosyst> Are there any known issues with using the BBB with Fedora? I've got a A4a rev board and I get no /dev entries showing up at all
  • [16:25:01] <ssi> fedora is still a thing? :P
  • [16:25:22] <ssi> is devfs mounted?
  • [16:25:43] <exosyst> devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs
  • [16:26:25] <ssi> that's all I got :(
  • [16:26:47] <exosyst> welp that was great :D
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  • [16:27:03] <ssi> *slowclap*
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  • [16:28:54] <exosyst> i get no dmesg output either which is slightly disconcerting too
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  • [16:33:01] <exosyst> I do see the heartbeat and CPU activity LEDs. I then get http://pastebin.com/YiDEMk2g and then all activity stops - power issue?
  • [16:33:19] <Calc> has anyone done any compiling of RobertNelson's ubuntu version for BBB from the source tree?
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  • [16:36:26] <_av500_> exosyst: powered via usb?
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  • [16:37:42] <Pete__> @koen me again :p
  • [16:38:09] <Pete__> You know you said use fedora? lol
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  • [16:41:38] <exosyst> _av500_, yeah, it's from USB. Does it need a bit more oomph?
  • [16:43:47] <lordchainer> _av500_: I tried the MLO thing you suggested some minutes ago. Thing is, I'm looking for a solution if possible that allows me to boot automatically from SD without having to modify the eMMC
  • [16:44:43] <lordchainer> That's because I'm going to do the same thing with a high volume of BBBs.
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  • [16:47:38] <lordchainer> I was told it was to boot automartically from SD by changing the uEnv.txt file using rootfs but I don't know how
  • [16:47:46] <lxsameer> hi, how many usb port does beagle black has?
  • [16:48:18] <inkjetunito> rtc?
  • [16:48:59] <exosyst> lxsameer, One USB port and one USB otg
  • [16:49:20] <inkjetunito> *battery-backed rtc?
  • [16:49:31] <Spirilis> no there is no battery-backed RTC onboard
  • [16:49:35] <Pete__> anyone using fedora as a host dev environment?
  • [16:49:37] <mru> time is overrated
  • [16:49:42] <inkjetunito> Spirilis: thanks
  • [16:49:42] <mru> real time doubly so
  • [16:50:08] <exosyst> Pete__, planning on it for the courses I give
  • [16:50:17] <Spirilis> koen: hmm your SD image not create the USB network link? or at least I'm not seeing it come up
  • [16:50:19] <exosyst> but I'm not the best example as I'm fighting mine :D
  • [16:50:31] <lxsameer> exosyst: thanks
  • [16:51:28] <m_billybob> playing with new image Spirilis ?
  • [16:51:42] <Spirilis> just wrote koen's 5/10 image to my uSD for kicks
  • [16:51:56] <m_billybob> still trying to iron out my probably self induced "bugs"
  • [16:52:07] <m_billybob> whats that ?
  • [16:52:08] <Spirilis> there is definitely a nasty debugger race condition bug in Cloud9 IDE, thankfully you can disable debugging as I just found out.
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  • [16:52:30] <m_billybob> whats a koen 5/10 image ? lol
  • [16:52:30] <Spirilis> m_billybob: 11:24 < koen> I built an up to date sd card image today: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.05.10.img.xz
  • [16:52:37] <m_billybob> ah
  • [16:52:39] <Pete__> I'm trying but I cant yum the eglibc-devel package, yum says no such thing
  • [16:52:49] <Pete__> so cant build the kernal
  • [16:53:10] <m_billybob> Spirilis going console here. i need to learn how to compile in stuff like openssh-server etc
  • [16:53:20] <Spirilis> yeah
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  • [16:53:33] <m_billybob> and load in custom config files etc of course
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  • [16:54:23] <m_billybob> MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake console-image
  • [16:54:24] <Spirilis> oh weird, ok it's probably not koen's image cause the eMMC isn't showing up on its usb network link either
  • [16:54:31] <m_billybob> just did that waiting to see if it errors out
  • [16:54:36] <Spirilis> probably the stupid mac
  • [16:55:24] <m_billybob> im still not 100% sure that MACHINE=beaglebone is what i need. not sure if that applies for BBW *and* BBB
  • [16:55:40] <m_billybob> havent seen anything to indicate otherwise though
  • [16:57:25] <m_billybob> Oh lovely -> Currently 2 running tasks (2810 of 3130):
  • [16:57:41] <m_billybob> hopefully that wont take days like that systemmd build lol
  • [16:58:10] <Spirilis> aight, got usb network with koen's SD image
  • [16:58:15] <Spirilis> mac just needed a reboot
  • [16:58:35] <Pete__> m_billybob what os you using for building again?
  • [16:58:48] <m_billybob> Pete__ debian wheezy
  • [16:59:39] <Pete__> I just want a setup that will build the damn kernel lol
  • [16:59:48] <m_billybob> Linux debian 3.2.0-4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.41-2 i686 GNU/Linux
  • [16:59:53] <m_billybob> ubuntu should build it
  • [17:00:19] <m_billybob> im finding that the guides online are all either outdates, or partly misinformation
  • [17:00:28] <m_billybob> e.g. lots of information omited
  • [17:00:38] <Pete__> ubuntu works for systemd-image fine, but not cloud9-gnome-image
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  • [17:01:43] <m_billybob> Pete you getting that ERROR nothign provides blah blah blah ?
  • [17:01:43] <Pete__> fedora 18 doesnt work at all because the instructions say to yum install eglibc-devel but that apparently doesnt exist
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  • [17:02:47] <exosyst> Pete__, what instructions are they? I wouldn't have thought you need eglibc-devel on the host?
  • [17:03:18] <Pete__> http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Getting_started
  • [17:03:34] <psw> Is it possible to connect a gsm mode to beagleboard xm for voice call support?
  • [17:03:47] <joel_> why not build the kernel without OE, if kernel is all you want
  • [17:04:05] <exosyst> joel_, Pete__ that was my next question :D
  • [17:04:16] <m_billybob> pretty sure hes building or trying ot build a whole image
  • [17:04:27] <Pete__> I want to be able to reproduce the stanard image
  • [17:05:06] <m_billybob> Pete, is you heart stuck on fedora ?
  • [17:05:19] <m_billybob> i have partial instructions for debian , which should work on ubuntu too
  • [17:05:31] <m_billybob> e.g. whcih packages need to be installed
  • [17:05:46] <Pete__> nope, I tried ubuntu then was told by peeps on here that ubuntu was my issue and try fedora lol
  • [17:05:53] <Mode-M> after i boot up my beagleboard with the serial cable connected the size of the terminal is very small. http://d.pr/i/pqIv is there a way to make it larger?
  • [17:06:08] <m_billybob> i think but am not sure i found them hidden away somewhere on Yocto's site
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  • [17:07:33] <joel_> eglibc shouldnt' be a host side dependency I feel
  • [17:07:43] <joel_> OE should know to pull it for the build
  • [17:07:57] <exosyst> Hmm, that sucks. I plan on using a yocto build to get mine going - I don't understand why you need eglibc-devel seeing as that's only going to be used on the target
  • [17:08:26] <m_billybob> Pete__, i think that it is more likely that the instructions for OE are scattered all over the net, and not complete / up to date ( whcih is more likely the issue )
  • [17:08:54] <joel_> oh, yocto instructions say so, bummer.;)
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  • [17:09:25] <joel_> I doubt I ever needed such a package on the host-side though when I built Angstrom once upon a time.
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  • [17:09:42] <m_billybob> Pete__ im tryign to work around one issue at a time myself lol. several years ago, OE was way worse to try and learn though
  • [17:10:45] <Pete__> Im getting properly hacked off trying to work out whats happening
  • [17:11:02] <m_billybob> ive been there know exatly how you feel
  • [17:11:03] <ds2> OE is trivial to try and learn
  • [17:11:07] <m_billybob> because im not a dumbass
  • [17:11:13] <m_billybob> yeah right
  • [17:11:27] <ds2> download and run like 3 commands if even that
  • [17:11:35] <joel_> +1
  • [17:11:40] <Pete__> yeah yeah if only
  • [17:11:49] <m_billybob> ds2 problem is instructions are either flat out wrong, or incomplete
  • [17:11:57] <m_billybob> you need to setup a proer "toolchain"
  • [17:12:03] <m_billybob> where is that info ?
  • [17:12:10] <m_billybob> I had to hunt that information myself
  • [17:12:22] <Pete__> scattered in peoples heads I recon
  • [17:12:35] <joel_> toolchain is supposed to be built by OE
  • [17:12:52] <Pete__> its like fight club knowing how this all works lol
  • [17:13:12] <m_billybob> joel yeah maybe but thats not been my experience
  • [17:13:20] <Pete__> mine either
  • [17:13:37] <ds2> huh toolchain?
  • [17:13:43] <ds2> there is no toolchain to setup
  • [17:13:43] <m_billybob> no matter im documenting my steps
  • [17:13:51] <m_billybob> dependancies . . .
  • [17:14:03] <ds2> the instructions seem fine
  • [17:14:04] <m_billybob> which the list is rathe rextensive
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  • [17:14:14] <samch> hello
  • [17:14:18] <samch> one question
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  • [17:14:28] <Pete__> which instructions?
  • [17:14:31] <ds2> had to do this about 4 times before (not my personal choice of tools but be happy to use it if someone asks) and they just work
  • [17:14:41] <samch> how can i read adc in beaglebone black in C++ or C
  • [17:14:46] <m_billybob> ds2 for ubuntu ?
  • [17:14:52] <ds2> probally a few more times then 4 but...
  • [17:14:59] <ds2> m_billybob: yep. and slackware
  • [17:15:11] <samch> example for read ADC in beagleboard
  • [17:15:25] <Pete__> ubuntu doesnt work for me though
  • [17:15:26] <m_billybob> ds2, not doubting what you say or trying to argue becuase you're by far not the first to say somethign similar
  • [17:15:57] <ds2> m_billybob: what is it doing when you run bitbake?
  • [17:15:59] <m_billybob> maybe its just my type of case, because I typically do a minimal debian install for everythign
  • [17:16:19] <m_billybob> ds2, i cant even run bitbakle without oebb.sh
  • [17:16:23] <joel_> yes OE is a bitch with host-side dependencies
  • [17:16:24] <m_billybob> "no such comand"
  • [17:16:36] <ds2> m_billybob: your path is not set up right hten
  • [17:16:47] <ds2> paths are a basic thing
  • [17:16:54] <m_billybob> yeah i thought as much
  • [17:16:55] <Pete__> host side dependancies that dont exist too lol
  • [17:17:02] <m_billybob> well i had an idea it could be that
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  • [17:17:40] <ds2> bitbake is a python script
  • [17:17:47] <ds2> your shell needs to know where to find it.
  • [17:18:02] <m_billybob> yeah i need to know where to find it too lol
  • [17:18:04] <ds2> most installs clone bitbake so you need to tell it to search where you cloned it
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  • [17:19:14] <Chris___> Anyone know if I can use a power supply to give exactly 5V to the vdc jack on a beaglebone? I'm trying to do just that with a 5.5x2.1 connector, but the power led doesnt turn on.
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  • [17:23:58] <lordchainer> hi, any pointers on to modify the uEnv.txt file from the SD in order to boot automatically from SD instead of eMMC? Someone earlier on told me I had to use rootfs but i don't know how
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  • [17:25:20] <m_billybob> google beaglebone black uEnv.txt there is a wiki page that looks useful
  • [17:25:34] <m_billybob> id find it myself but im busy with own problems atm
  • [17:25:36] <Spirilis> lordchainer: I sorta suspect you can create an empty uEnv.txt file on the SD and that would do it
  • [17:25:46] <Spirilis> worth a try at least
  • [17:27:23] <lordchainer> Spirilis: There's already an image in my SD, so my SD already has an uEnv.txt file
  • [17:27:56] <Spirilis> hm k. got an FTDI cable hooked up to its console to see why it's not booting?
  • [17:28:30] <m_billybob> lordchainer, you pressing down S2 before powering up the board ?
  • [17:28:56] <m_billybob> press S2 plug in power wiat for first LED to come on then let go S2
  • [17:28:59] <m_billybob> somethign to that effect
  • [17:29:15] <m_billybob> instructions are on the mailing list
  • [17:29:52] <Pete__> ds2 if you use ubuntu any idea what would cause this compile error?
  • [17:30:16] <Pete__> fcfreetype.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/fcfreetype.o In file included from fcftint.h:26:0, from fcfreetype.c:48: ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:28:10: error: #include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME> ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:36:10: error: unknown type name 'FT_UInt' ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:37:22: error: unknown type name 'FT_Face' ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:40:30: error: unknown type name 'FT_Face' ../fontconfig/fcfreetyp
  • [17:31:12] <lordchainer> m_billybob: yeah, but I'm looking for a solution to do it automatically because I'm planning to use a high volume of BBBs. The idea is to insert the SD, boot from there and done
  • [17:31:15] <Pete__> that only happens if I try and build the cloud9-gnome-image so I'm guessing its because of gnome OE is trying to build the font libraries
  • [17:31:39] <koen> Pete__: like I said, don't use ubuntu
  • [17:32:01] <koen> Pete__: did you follow the instructions at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom ?
  • [17:32:04] <Pete__> Yeah but you said use fedora which doesn't work in another way lol
  • [17:32:06] <m_billybob> lordchainer, yeah i dont know how to do that. someone on the list got a working uEnv.txt ( automated ) with sd card plugged in, but booting to emmc
  • [17:32:47] <m_billybob> lordchainer, just just based on that my assumption the reverse could be possible too
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  • [17:32:50] <Pete__> Yes those instructions
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  • [17:33:08] <lordchainer> m_billybob: do you know their nickname/email?
  • [17:33:19] <koen> Pete__: and did you install the things mentioned in http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro#Fedora_13_.2C_14_.2C_15_and_16 ?
  • [17:33:29] <m_billybob> lordchainer, no but i may be able to find the mail one second
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  • [17:34:10] <m_billybob> got to fire up chrome, and it'll take a while to load 30 pages so give me a minute or two lol
  • [17:34:55] <Pete__> ah now I found a different page, which told me I needed to install eglibc-devel which yum says does not exist
  • [17:35:28] <Pete__> I'll try the ones on that page
  • [17:35:57] <m_billybob> lordchainer topic name -> [beagleboard] Access to SD card from emmc
  • [17:36:25] <woglinde> again?
  • [17:37:16] <m_billybob> or hmm thats beagleboard
  • [17:37:28] <woglinde> lol
  • [17:37:39] <woglinde> next try
  • [17:37:57] <m_billybob> nvm its bbb specific post
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  • [17:38:55] <lordchainer> m_billybob, thanks anyway
  • [17:40:19] <exosyst> How do I know if the BBB is writing the eMMC? Hold the switch for a few seconds and assume? I don't get a /dev/ttyUSBX entry at any point, is that right?
  • [17:42:14] <Spirilis> one of the user LEDs by default is an eMMC activity light
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  • [17:43:58] <exosyst> Spirilis, is that expected or should the LED keep blinking for eMMC activity (I would've expected so)
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  • [17:58:00] <m_billybob> ok think i finaly found the pth lol
  • [18:03:23] <Pete__> Fingers crossed Koen, new build started
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  • [18:15:27] <Spirilis> exosyst: hmm, USR0 in a booted linux instance should be blinking (2 blinks followed by a pause, then 2 blinks, pause, etc)
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  • [18:24:39] <plugwash> does anyone know of any instructions for putting debian on a beaglebone black without a serial console or a microhdmi display?
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  • [18:27:19] <cmicali> m_billybob: did you get oe to successfully build you a root img?
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  • [18:29:08] <Pete__> I've got fedora up and running I think now. 448 of 8166 complete
  • [18:29:49] <ka6sox> all you JavaScript Mavens....can JS do Hex Math?
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  • [18:30:46] <cmicali> Hex Math?
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  • [18:31:22] <ka6sox> A4+06
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  • [18:31:45] <cmicali> var res = 0xA4 + 0x06 ?
  • [18:31:45] <ka6sox> = AA
  • [18:31:53] <ka6sox> yes
  • [18:32:24] <cmicali> yes it can
  • [18:32:37] <Pete__> You'd never be able to write anything useful in Java if it didn't
  • [18:32:39] <cmicali> try the above in the chrome console
  • [18:32:47] <Pete__> Oh I forgot, you can't anyway lol
  • [18:32:56] <ka6sox> Pete__, ++
  • [18:33:17] <cmicali> haters gonna hate
  • [18:33:47] <ka6sox> cmicali, I just Jenkins all the time...and it works wonderfully...but I gotta contain it on its *own* VM so it doesn't spread.
  • [18:33:53] <Pete__> I'm an embedded programmer, Java is just for kids lol
  • [18:34:26] <ka6sox> Java and Embedded don't mix well.
  • [18:34:42] <panto> oh, it hasn't stopped people from trying
  • [18:35:02] <SpeedEvil> there are embedded java processors
  • [18:35:03] <Pete__> ka6sox, ++
  • [18:35:08] <SpeedEvil> which work fine
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  • [18:35:23] <lxsameer> I'm in Iran, does any one know an online store that ship beaglebone in iran too?
  • [18:35:25] <Pete__> yes, but java is not deterministic, or real time
  • [18:35:42] <Pete__> Linux is pushing it tbh
  • [18:35:56] <Pete__> but everything is going to linux so have to live with it
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  • [18:36:57] <panto> dinner time
  • [18:37:09] <cmicali> ka6sox: the jvm is a fickle beast
  • [18:37:41] <cmicali> ka6sox: spent a long time on this the other day http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/gc-tuning-6-140523.html
  • [18:38:37] <cmicali> mind numbing
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  • [18:39:17] <[1]segfault> panto, i screwed up the cipher in my PoC
  • [18:39:25] <[1]segfault> that's why it wasn't working for you
  • [18:39:54] <[1]segfault> note to self: always copy and paste
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  • [18:40:51] <Digital_Warrior> What have I missed
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  • [18:53:13] <decipherstatic> has anyone been able to get any starterware examples working? I created the sd with the MLO and app files but when I apply power while holding the boot button "C" is all that is printed to the debug uart.
  • [18:55:32] <panto> [1]segfault, I fixed it but the h/w accel doesn't kick in
  • [18:56:32] <panto> have to help me a bit there
  • [18:56:44] <panto> how do I make sure the cipher selected get's to the h/w crypto driver?
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  • [19:02:41] <lostoy> anyone there?
  • [19:03:23] <Spirilis> woot, my FTDI boards are on their way across the country
  • [19:03:34] <Spirilis> that was pretty darned quick turnaround for OSHpark
  • [19:04:43] <lostoy> anyone had experience with beagleboard dvi?
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  • [19:09:08] <panto> it is now... beer time
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  • [19:09:25] <panto> cya bridge ppl
  • [19:13:24] <f0rsaken-> sup
  • [19:15:42] <exosyst> Hmm, ok, I seem to have flashed successfully. Is it correct that it shows as a /dev/ttyACM0? Should the baud rate be 115200 like the BBW as I get no output from screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200
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  • [19:26:27] <psw> Which modem do you recommend for using with beagleboard-xm for making gsm voice calls?
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  • [19:37:19] <ka6sox> bradfa, ping?
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  • [19:40:07] <ka6sox> bradfa, please review https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables/pull/3
  • [19:40:09] <bradfa> ka6sox, pong
  • [19:40:15] <bradfa> k
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  • [19:40:45] <ka6sox> (at your leisure)
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  • [19:43:59] <bradfa> ka6sox, looks good, will merge, but I'm going to reword your commit messages, if that's OK
  • [19:44:11] <bradfa> thanks!
  • [19:44:18] <ka6sox> sure
  • [19:47:07] <bradfa> done
  • [19:47:44] <ka6sox> thanks
  • [19:47:50] <bradfa> you're welcome :)
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  • [19:59:42] <_av500_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15599/20130510_175750.jpg
  • [19:59:51] <_av500_> users are complaining hdmi is too close to usb
  • [20:00:39] <koen> altoids tax
  • [20:00:41] <dm8tbr> pdffff
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  • [20:07:54] <mranostay> HELLO EVERYONE!
  • [20:07:58] <lasse_> Hello !
  • [20:08:22] <lasse_> Quick question which beagleboard should one buy if all i wanna do is connect a CMOS sensor to it
  • [20:08:30] <_av500_> MRANOSTAY: SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY?
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  • [20:09:05] <lasse_> a standard camera using BT.656 parallel interface i'm not sure which processor would be best suited it seems the AM355x doesnt have camera IF
  • [20:10:00] <_av500_> indeed
  • [20:10:05] <_av500_> Beagle XM has
  • [20:10:26] <_av500_> and even a DSP for video encoding
  • [20:10:31] <_av500_> if you are so inclined
  • [20:10:33] <mranostay> _av500_: where is the font^H^H^H^Htypeface size option in IRC?
  • [20:10:58] <_av500_> mranostay: right click, settings, advanced
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  • [20:12:47] <Crofton|work> anyone know what the current stock situation is for the Black?
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  • [20:13:15] <koen> Crofton|work: situation will improve, we had a production stop this week
  • [20:13:16] <ZEROF> Hi, admins comes to chat ?
  • [20:13:22] <Crofton|work> ok
  • [20:13:23] <_av500_> 54
  • [20:13:31] <_av500_> ZEROF: ???
  • [20:13:42] <Crofton|work> any big diffs between the alpha one and the shipping one?
  • [20:14:29] * Crofton|work beats koen
  • [20:14:37] <ka6sox> lack of PRUs on teh Alpha :(
  • [20:14:48] <koen> which is alpha?
  • [20:14:52] <koen> a1 or a4?
  • [20:14:52] <ka6sox> a4
  • [20:15:04] <ka6sox> (for me anyways)
  • [20:15:11] <Crofton|work> A4
  • [20:15:16] <Crofton|work> what's a PRU?
  • [20:15:16] <_av500_> koen: is there an alpha upcycle program to apply for?
  • [20:15:21] <Crofton|work> yeah, I am being dumb
  • [20:15:32] <koen> _av500_: ask gerald
  • [20:15:38] <ZEROF> av500 i need to speak with beagleboard admins, some contact mail or only google groups ?
  • [20:15:45] <_av500_> Crofton|work: a PRU is like a USRP for morse code
  • [20:15:53] <_av500_> ZEROF: about what?
  • [20:15:57] <Crofton|work> ttsou wants to play with one and I am trying to figure out if it will be painful
  • [20:16:38] <ttsou> Special Computing is the only supplier showing stock
  • [20:17:07] <_av500_> ha ttsou
  • [20:17:07] <ttsou> I'm wondering if I should believe them
  • [20:17:41] <ttsou> or borrow one from Crofton|work
  • [20:17:51] <koen> ttsou: give bill a call and find out
  • [20:18:03] <ka6sox> Crofton|work, the PRU is Awesome Sauce
  • [20:18:40] <mranostay> PRU can solve cancer and male pattern baldness
  • [20:18:48] <mranostay> panto: there is hope
  • [20:19:08] * koen perks up
  • [20:19:09] <jmoyerman> PRU looks good, Going to have to couple mine with a FPGA to do a lot of heavy lifting though.
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  • [20:19:50] <ka6sox> jmoyerman, try GPMC first
  • [20:19:55] <mranostay> koen: you should start wearing a beanie :P
  • [20:19:56] <ka6sox> less stages
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  • [20:21:11] <ZEROF> av500 i come from one Linux community and we want to try our distro with beagle, asking for sponsor
  • [20:21:22] <_av500_> which distro?
  • [20:21:46] <bradfa> didn't the admin say gsoc participants will get BBB in the mail?
  • [20:21:48] <ttsou> koen: I just got "this is my google voice account"... would that be bill?
  • [20:21:56] <Crofton|work> you guys still haven't answered the question
  • [20:22:00] <_av500_> which one?
  • [20:22:09] <Crofton|work> will an A4 be sane with builds for the releaseed versoin
  • [20:22:13] <koen> ttsou: I think so
  • [20:22:16] <_av500_> yes
  • [20:22:19] <_av500_> but no PRU
  • [20:22:22] <_av500_> and no SGX
  • [20:22:27] <_av500_> due to a CPU fuckup at TI
  • [20:22:28] <bradfa> and no pmic header
  • [20:22:38] <_av500_> and no NAND
  • [20:22:46] <bradfa> emmc has nand insides
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  • [20:22:49] <_av500_> just to enrage ds2
  • [20:24:15] <mdp> and no mali
  • [20:24:19] <mdp> no a15
  • [20:25:04] <bradfa> mdp, and no mainline?
  • [20:25:32] <_av500_> no DSP
  • [20:25:45] <mdp> ein bisschen mainline
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  • [20:25:51] <bradfa> and no bitcoin
  • [20:25:56] <mdp> what's there ought to be enough for anybody
  • [20:26:01] <mdp> 639k
  • [20:26:03] <_av500_> ZEROF: is is secret distro?
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  • [20:26:19] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [20:26:32] <ZEROF> No, backbox linux
  • [20:26:55] <ZEROF> :)
  • [20:27:02] <mdp> koen says it haz pdsp
  • [20:27:20] <Crofton|work> all we care about is booting and usb
  • [20:27:33] <mdp> usb dma?
  • [20:27:37] <bradfa> Crofton|work, musb is awesome
  • [20:28:11] * bradfa signs off
  • [20:28:11] <mdp> there was a guy the other day that hooked up 5 uvc cameras I think
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  • [20:28:17] <mdp> super effective
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  • [20:31:27] <[1]segfault> anyone know how hard it would be to get PoE working on a beaglebone?
  • [20:31:56] <[1]segfault> I want to repurpose it as a hidden security device
  • [20:32:06] <[1]segfault> be able to drop one in an office for penetration testing etc etc
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  • [20:32:22] <[1]segfault> hide it, attach a battery to it or use PoE, or something
  • [20:33:40] <didof3> [1]segfault: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Over-Ethernet-Passive-POE-Injector-Splitter-For-All-Devices-Free-Shipping-/171037197657?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d29c8559
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  • [20:35:36] <gustavoz> didof3: it doesn't look that it'll regulate voltage at all, plug in a BBB and it's probably fried
  • [20:36:37] <ZEROF> av500 any idea to help us ?
  • [20:36:46] <_av500_> with what?
  • [20:36:54] <_av500_> you want a free board?
  • [20:37:31] <woglinde> freebeer
  • [20:38:20] <didof3> gustavoz: for $2 its a good start ... just a poe injector
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  • [20:38:40] <gustavoz> didof3: yeah, a couple of connectors and a cable... official PoE which is what he wants is circa 24 volts
  • [20:38:51] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> PoE is 48V yo.
  • [20:39:18] <gustavoz> PRU_EVTOUT_2: my bad, but yeah, far more than 5v :)
  • [20:39:21] <Spirilis> real PoE is 48V, those PoE injector thingamajigs take whatever you put into them, so you can connect a 5V AC-DC adapter at the source end
  • [20:39:39] <gustavoz> problem with those is that you need access to the rack, which i take it is NOT what he wants
  • [20:39:42] <Spirilis> ....but having a 48V-5V DC-DC converter is probably the more elegant option. :)
  • [20:39:48] <gustavoz> cisco poes5 FTW
  • [20:39:56] <gustavoz> those aren't too expensive and it's what he wants
  • [20:40:13] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> there are a million cheap poe chips out there now.
  • [20:40:36] <gustavoz> problem with modifying the board is if the magnetics export the required pins
  • [20:41:03] <ZEROF> av500 yes for testing
  • [20:41:41] <ZEROF> av500 with beagle support we can even build one small pc for pentesters
  • [20:42:12] <woglinde> av500 sell them all your boards
  • [20:44:02] <ZEROF> We need only one machine for testing, and we add beagleboard to our sponsors list, we have a lot users
  • [20:44:49] <_av500_> write an email to jkridner I guess
  • [20:45:55] <ZEROF> Can you provide me his mail (pm) ?
  • [20:45:59] <josh> PoE has a whole initiation and negotiation protocol
  • [20:46:51] <josh> Since gigabit adapters use all 8 pairs, that protocol is important to keep it from putting 48v into your laptop melting the isolation coil.
  • [20:46:58] <psw> which modem could I use for making gsm voice call with beagleboard xm?
  • [20:47:04] <gustavoz> hence cisco poes5
  • [20:47:16] <gustavoz> or similar from another manufacturer
  • [20:47:18] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> josh: the protocol isn't complicated
  • [20:47:24] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and using 8 pairs or not doesn't matter.
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  • [20:47:33] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you send the data over the same pairs as power
  • [20:47:51] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> data goes differential, power goes common mode (center tap fed)
  • [20:47:54] <josh> PRU_EVTOUT_2: Early PoE used the 2 pairs that 100mbit ethernet didn't use.
  • [20:48:01] <josh> That's the only reason I mentioned that
  • [20:48:03] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> josh: yeah, but it doesn't matter.
  • [20:48:28] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you can use pair a or b
  • [20:48:30] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and either polarity
  • [20:48:31] <josh> Yes, but that wasn't the case with early PoE
  • [20:48:40] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but, it doesn't matter what the case was.
  • [20:48:48] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you can use a or be
  • [20:49:01] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> if it's the old cisco protocol you're talking about
  • [20:49:01] <josh> Yeah, inconsequential historical background I suppose
  • [20:49:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> the negotiation is compliant with that
  • [20:49:23] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> there are "dumb" injectors that just inject whatever
  • [20:49:30] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but, the negotiation handles those too.
  • [20:49:34] <gustavoz> most of the time you'd want mode B (separate pairs)
  • [20:50:01] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mode a or b, they're separate pairs..it's just which pairs.
  • [20:50:14] <gustavoz> nope, on 10/100 mode b they're separate, but not for 1000
  • [20:50:23] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> the power is injected on separate pairs.
  • [20:50:25] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> always.
  • [20:50:35] <gustavoz> yes, but i mean unused cables
  • [20:50:37] <gustavoz> *wires
  • [20:50:48] <gustavoz> otherwise the magnetics must be aware
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  • [20:51:06] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> if the magnetics are isolated, like they all should be, there's no awareness required.
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  • [20:51:18] <gustavoz> big IF there :)
  • [20:51:18] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you just inject and pull the power from the center tap
  • [20:51:31] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> since it's common mode, the power doesn't influence the differential data signals.
  • [20:51:45] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> true, if you don't have isolation, you're most likely boned anyways.
  • [20:52:13] <gustavoz> for a one-off he's probably better with one of the cisco doodles, they're cheap
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  • [20:52:24] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> with the huge potential of fire, and the insane potential of ground differences causes things to burn out.
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  • [20:53:17] <gustavoz> (or some other no-brand of course for an even cheaper solution)
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  • [20:56:13] <gustavoz> the documentation for the lpj0011bbnl is pretty thin, and the manufacturer doesn't mention "isolation" (or any related terms) on their website, i'd be wary :)
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  • [21:10:32] <samch> hello
  • [21:10:35] <samch> who are you?
  • [21:11:06] <samch> i upgrade my beaglebone black with 05.08.2013 version
  • [21:11:19] <_av500_> good
  • [21:11:22] <samch> what is the resolver fix in this version?
  • [21:11:41] <samch> fix of dma :( ?
  • [21:12:05] <samch> what does fix are resolver with this version?
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  • [21:19:52] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> gustavoz: isolation is the purpose of the magnetics.
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  • [21:33:33] <ajstarks> are OpenVG libraries shipped with the standard Angstom distro?
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  • [21:42:12] <plugwash_> i've just installed debian on my beaglebone black following the instructions on the elinux wiki and then doing a bit of jiggery pokery to move the install to the internal flash
  • [21:42:43] <plugwash_> it boots ok but when I try to load any modules I get "libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.8.12-bone17/modules.dep.bin'"
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  • [21:50:20] <jmg123> Is the beaglebone black supported by Code Composer Studio?
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  • [21:59:33] <plugwash_> the answer is I had to run depmod
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  • [22:04:52] <ajstarks> is the X server HW accelerate with the default build?
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  • [22:15:18] <ds2> now that I think of it...some versions of Ubuntu have a f'ed sh
  • [22:15:28] <ds2> they used dash instead of bash or some other disaster like that
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  • [22:23:45] <dgood`> Hey all!
  • [22:24:58] <dgood`> Does anyone know if the Angstrom build process with MACHINE=beaglebone produces a useable BBB image? If not, what MACHINE name will?
  • [22:25:15] <plugwash> ds2 both debian and ubuntu use dash as /bin/sh by default nowadays
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  • [22:26:06] <philwong1010> Hello!!
  • [22:26:43] <philwong1010> this is Phil from New York City
  • [22:26:59] <philwong1010> and I am unable to find a reseller that stocks the Beagleboard Black
  • [22:27:20] <dgood`> I got mine from Mouser.com.
  • [22:27:36] <philwong1010> so a question for the current owners: did you buy yours from an overseas dealer, or some obscure place that's not published?
  • [22:27:46] <ds2> plugwash: that breaks stuff, IIRC
  • [22:28:16] <plugwash> Yeah it breaks stuff that assumes /bin/sh is bash
  • [22:28:25] <dgood`> Mouser shipped me two of them this Thurs with the order placed last Fri.
  • [22:28:28] <plugwash> which was always a bad assumption to make if you wanted your script to be portable
  • [22:29:03] <philwong1010> Ok then I will just buy from Mouser and wait until ti's shipped
  • [22:30:15] <philwong1010> one more thing: do you guys put the Beagleboard Black (BBB) inside some protective casing?
  • [22:30:59] <philwong1010> My house has carpets, and I fear that static might ruin the unit upon contact.
  • [22:31:13] <ds2> philwong1010: just order it. if you are waiting for it to be sitting in inventory, you'll be waiting a long long long time
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  • [22:36:15] <dgood`> philwong1010: I run my naked right now, but this looks interesting: http://www.adafruit.com/products/702
  • [22:37:42] <ds2> 3D print a case
  • [22:38:13] <ajstarks> i got my BBB from DigiKey
  • [22:38:14] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pfft...it was made to fit in an altoids.
  • [22:38:31] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so just go buy some mints! :D
  • [22:38:35] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> tasty and protective.
  • [22:39:25] <dgood`> Does anyone use a Win pc for C development, or does everyone use linux.
  • [22:39:56] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i share my code on a network drive, edit in windows, compile on the beaglebone. :)
  • [22:40:14] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> nice thing is, none of the code is actually on the beaglebone, so i can just sway it out if i break something.
  • [22:40:21] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> sway=swap
  • [22:41:10] <ajstarks> currently connected to Mac, using a external drive via USB
  • [22:41:13] <philwong1010> <dgoog`> Awesome, the URL has exactly what I'm looking for !!
  • [22:42:18] <dgood`> philwong1010: Glad to help!
  • [22:43:09] <dgood`> PRU_EVTOUT_2: Interesting idea... I'll experiment with that.
  • [22:43:56] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> dgood`: there are some remote compile setups out there too.
  • [22:44:02] <dgood`> Right now, I use a Debian VM, but the USB serial gadget for the original BB was kind of a pain. I could never get to a u-boot prompt.
  • [22:44:26] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i think eclipse or netbeans supports it. you can have it run the compile over ssh or something.
  • [22:44:38] <dgood`> With the BBB, the hardware console removes that particular problem.
  • [22:46:13] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah, i was talking to someone a few days ago, and they said they gave up on the original bb because of usb and linux support. didn't realize it was such a pain.
  • [22:46:51] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and, it wasn't him. he's a super linux dude.
  • [22:47:03] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> like, with published books!
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  • [22:48:02] <dgood`> Well, I have a dedicate Arch machine at home and that works great. It's only with the VM that there is a bit of a problem, because the Virtual USB ports keep disappearing and reappearing.
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  • [22:48:40] <dgood`> Virtualbox is great, but with hardware development, it shows its rough edges.
  • [22:49:40] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i still have trouble believing it's free.
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  • [22:50:55] <dgood`> VirtualBox?
  • [22:51:20] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah.
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  • [22:52:31] <dgood`> philwong1010: Be sure that you notice that the case I linked to earlier doesn't come with the breadboard pictured. It's sold seprately.
  • [22:54:29] <dgood`> PRU_EVTOUT_2: Yeah, VirtualBox is pretty great, even though it's Oracle.
  • [22:54:36] <dgood`> I take your meaning.
  • [22:55:07] <dgood`> It's semi-free, if you consider the add-ons
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  • [22:57:40] <Moult_> if i have an LED connected to GND and GPIO1_6 (P8, no 3), shouldn't b.pinMode('P8_3', 'out'); b.digitalWrite('P8_3', 0); turn it off? any ideas why it doesn't?
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  • [22:58:39] <ds2> running LEDs directly off a GPIO?
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  • [22:58:54] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> isn't "P8_3" supposed to be something besides as tring
  • [22:58:58] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> like bone.P8_3
  • [22:59:12] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> http://www.gigamegablog.com/2012/01/05/beaglebone-coding-101-blinking-an-led/
  • [22:59:51] <Moult_> ds2: well, it's on a breadboard
  • [23:00:10] <ds2> Moult_: usually people buffer it due to limited drive capability.
  • [23:00:30] <Moult_> ds2: sorry, can explain?
  • [23:00:58] <ds2> Moult_: the pins from the SoC ("processor") has limited ability to source current and limited ability to dissipiate heat
  • [23:01:14] <ds2> an LED directly off the port can exceed that capability
  • [23:01:32] <ds2> so people generally put in a single transistor driver or some other kind of buffer to increase the drive capability
  • [23:02:10] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> (or use a resistor to limit the current so it doesn't exceed the drive, and just have a dim led).
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  • [23:09:38] <waltermixxx> howdy
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  • [23:13:20] <Moult_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: hmm a lot of the code on that blog seems outdated
  • [23:18:34] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult_: Ok. I have no knowledge of node.js stuff.
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  • [23:23:10] <mranostay> hi again
  • [23:23:47] <ds2> PDX beer not good enough?
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  • [23:24:57] <mranostay> ds2: what does that have to do with anything?
  • [23:25:08] <Moult_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: urgh, it could be just cloud9 ide being flaky
  • [23:25:10] <Moult_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: what would you say is the recommended language to program it in?
  • [23:25:23] <ds2> mranostay: thought you might be more bored then usual
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  • [23:25:56] <mru> mranostay: TROLL!
  • [23:26:02] <mranostay> no doing all the little annoying things you have to do when moving
  • [23:26:17] <mranostay> license and car registration is next
  • [23:26:28] <mru> cars are overrated
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  • [23:26:50] <mranostay> well yes you in a country with a real metro
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  • [23:27:02] <mru> no metro in my city
  • [23:27:06] <mru> too small for that
  • [23:27:09] <mranostay> although i could honestly get rid of it in Portland
  • [23:27:56] <ds2> PDX does have that train thingie
  • [23:27:56] <plugwash> you can live without a car but doing so takes away a lot of options
  • [23:28:30] <plugwash> some places that are just a short drive away take ages to get to by public transport, even in places where public transport is pretty good
  • [23:28:37] <plugwash> (manchester conurbation here)
  • [23:29:07] <mranostay> ds2: yes i will try that out for work
  • [23:29:23] <ds2> mranostay: you living in the 'free zone'?
  • [23:29:33] <mranostay> free zone?
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  • [23:30:16] <ds2> around PSU and the train station, it is free
  • [23:30:31] <mranostay> i live next to the campus
  • [23:30:45] <mranostay> like the one building is next door
  • [23:30:54] <mru> plugwash: manchester as in the real one, in the uk?
  • [23:30:56] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm doing mux with omap_mux...but it doesn't seem to be setting the gpio output enable registers.
  • [23:31:14] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> err.
  • [23:31:18] <plugwash> yep
  • [23:31:47] <ds2> whoa... parking must be $$$$$$$$$$$ there
  • [23:31:54] <mranostay> ds2: $125 a month
  • [23:31:59] <ds2> parking there for plumbers was like $25 a day :(
  • [23:32:03] * mru is in southampton
  • [23:32:21] <plugwash> dunno, I don't drive myself and even if I did I wouldn't drive into the city center
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  • [23:32:36] <mranostay> ds2: yeah if you don't have a monthly pass it will cost you a lot
  • [23:33:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hrmm, i thought muxing took care of gpio config too.
  • [23:33:26] <plugwash> public transport to/from the city center is fine (a 20 minuite train ride from where I am), the problem is when I want to go somewhere other than the city center
  • [23:33:42] <ds2> PRU_EVTOUT_2: Mux and GPIO are 2 ortogonal things
  • [23:33:50] * mru lives in the city centre
  • [23:34:11] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah, makes sense, just didn't realize it.
  • [23:34:17] * mru also spells centre properly :)
  • [23:34:18] <ds2> PRU_EVTOUT_2: mux is like opening your window blinds whereas GPIO is like turn on your lights. you need to do both so you can see the light from the outside
  • [23:34:36] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hahah, nice.
  • [23:34:38] <ds2> mru: and what is the colour of that city centER? ;)
  • [23:35:00] <mru> ds2: teal and orange
  • [23:35:17] <ds2> mru: is that the place where people get up on the soap box?
  • [23:35:30] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ds2: so does the newer device tree stuff handle muxing and gpio?
  • [23:35:46] <mru> ds2: no, that's speaker's corner in hyde park, london
  • [23:35:53] <mru> quite an amusing place
  • [23:35:54] * plugwash has picked up the bad habbit of spelling words like colour and centre the american way, probablly from doing gui programming, and writing documents in markup languages.
  • [23:36:01] <ds2> PRU_EVTOUT_2: it is still 2 things, IIRC
  • [23:36:30] <mru> habit is not spelt like hobbit
  • [23:36:57] * plugwash is planning to see what the manchester raspberry jam guys think of it's new rival the new beaglebone black tomorrow
  • [23:37:10] <plugwash> (well technically today)
  • [23:37:22] <mru> may the pru be with you
  • [23:38:00] <ds2> if that is a rival, then so are basic stamps
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  • [23:38:39] <mru> ds2: stamps like the penny black
  • [23:39:44] <Moult_> how do most people develop on the beaglebone? do they use the cloud9 ide + bonescript? or do they run python scripts? or do they compile via another language?
  • [23:40:43] <ds2> mru: and how many other people here get that reference?
  • [23:41:08] <mru> any other fake brits, I suppose
  • [23:41:40] * plugwash has only just got his beaglebone black but my usual approach on such systems is to put debian on them and then program on the device itself using the standard linux tools
  • [23:42:08] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult_: i think it depends on what you're doing. if you can do everything at the speed you want with the language you want, the that's the language you use. :)
  • [23:42:09] <plugwash> when not building on something existing I do like pascal
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  • [23:44:04] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult_: I'm using asm, c, c++, and python, each because i have no choice.
  • [23:44:15] <mru> there is always a choice
  • [23:44:21] <mru> or the illusion of one
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  • [23:44:46] <mranostay> win 1
  • [23:44:48] <Moult_> ah ok. i'd probably be using python as it'll be easier to integrate with another set of python script i need to work with.
  • [23:44:51] <mranostay> grrr
  • [23:45:07] <Moult_> does anybody know if there is a library that makes it easier to work with python rather than manually writing to the /sys/class/ files?
  • [23:46:07] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult_: https://github.com/alexanderhiam/PyBBIO to do it for you.
  • [23:46:27] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult_: but, at some level, you'll be accessing either /sys/class or raw registers.
  • [23:47:05] <Moult_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: yes, and some level i shall be, but it would be nice to work with a library that abstracts it
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  • [23:51:48] <mranostay> blech the sheriff building is on the other side of the city..
  • [23:52:07] <mru> isn't that a good thing?
  • [23:52:29] <mranostay> not if i'll need to pop over there to apply for a certain permit :P
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  • [23:53:50] <mranostay> but generally yes
  • [23:54:13] <Russ> mranostay, good job on not having mayo
  • [23:54:22] <mranostay> d'oh
  • [23:54:25] <mru> gives you more time to get away, generally
  • [23:55:21] <mranostay> mru: however city hall is almost next door.. enough cops there
  • [23:56:19] <ds2> mranostay: just pee on a car or two and you can get a free lift there ;)
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  • [23:58:07] <mranostay> btw there is a chruch of scientlogy nearby as wel
  • [23:58:09] <mranostay> *well