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  • [01:04:34] <prpplague> xenoxaos: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/NeLgA5TvsBP
  • [01:04:43] <prpplague> mru: it was indeed a dandy surprise
  • [01:04:53] <prpplague> mru: several items were thrown at me
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  • [01:11:20] <calculus> prpplague: one day it is going to be a real snake (not set up by you) and then you are going to get it
  • [01:11:30] <ka6sox> prpplague, mission accomplished eh?
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  • [01:38:39] <prpplague> ka6sox: yes indeed, mission accomplished
  • [01:39:05] <ka6sox> +1
  • [01:39:25] <ka6sox> I couldnt' play that joke on my wife...wouldn't work.
  • [01:39:58] <prpplague> ka6sox: hehe, she familiar with snakes?
  • [01:40:09] <ka6sox> she wouldn't see it.
  • [01:40:44] * prpplague senses a need for explaination
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  • [01:40:53] <prpplague> ka6sox: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/H4hWAYuEZM6
  • [01:40:54] <ka6sox> and would assume I left something in the shower..and pick it up...
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  • [01:41:21] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [01:41:53] <ka6sox> at which point I'd be in a Hotel (or Hospital)
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  • [01:44:30] <masta> seems to remember a rodent in facial creame
  • [01:44:49] <masta> I'd think his wife would be used to this kinda thing by now
  • [01:45:11] <ka6sox> Rubber Snakes leave welts that can't be explained away to Adult Protective Services.
  • [01:45:30] <ka6sox> Elder Abuse.
  • [01:45:50] <ka6sox> prpplague, Marcin had it right.
  • [01:46:28] <mranostay> wtf did i walk into?
  • [01:46:32] * mranostay scrolls up
  • [01:46:49] <mranostay> prpplague: did the snake thing?
  • [01:50:01] <ka6sox> mranostay, when have we *ever* been On Topic?
  • [01:50:55] <mrpackethead> Being on topic is a break against the rules.
  • [01:52:54] <mranostay> ka6sox: maybe 3% of the time
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  • [01:55:24] <Michael___> This project is to use a BB as a interface to link between a website and some environment monitoring/controlling devices.
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  • [01:57:11] <Michael___> The devices include: webcam, power switch to light bults, relative humidity/temperature digital meters, small (desktop use) two-way controlled-speed fan and irrigation system. Any similar project I can learn with?
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  • [02:00:52] <ka6sox> Michael___, please restate what the real goal is?
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  • [02:02:29] <mrpackethead> ka6sox: bet you $10 its to finish some homework
  • [02:02:46] <johnmilton> so i update my beaglebone black using opkg upgrade and i think its bricked
  • [02:02:50] <johnmilton> how can i recover
  • [02:03:36] <mrpackethead> Michael___: , the owfs.org
  • [02:03:40] <mrpackethead> is a good place to start
  • [02:03:47] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, +6.02e23
  • [02:05:17] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, thats what I use for my weather stations.
  • [02:05:23] <ka6sox> that and a Slug
  • [02:06:04] <ka6sox> Michael___, exceeded our quota today...
  • [02:07:25] <mranostay> ka6sox: mole?
  • [02:09:00] <ka6sox> mranostay, I prefer Possum
  • [02:09:26] <mranostay> ka6sox: where are you from orginally? :)
  • [02:09:48] <ka6sox> People's Repubic of Santa Monica
  • [02:10:15] <mrpackethead> ka6sox: the homework detection algorithm is good
  • [02:10:37] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, ya, 37 folks all show up asking the same question?
  • [02:10:49] <mrpackethead> last month it was opencv
  • [02:11:28] <ka6sox> I think I have a *new* business plan...
  • [02:11:33] <ka6sox> !
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  • [02:16:22] <ka6sox> Gee, Ya think we called that one right?
  • [02:18:57] <ka6sox> mranostay, seriously...
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  • [02:21:02] <mranostay> NUQ is Moffet field right?
  • [02:21:38] <ka6sox> yes, but its CLOSE...
  • [02:21:48] <ka6sox> closer than SFO or SJC
  • [02:21:55] <ka6sox> well SJO
  • [02:22:05] <ka6sox> (its much closer than SJC)
  • [02:22:17] <mranostay> are there actual public flights though?
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  • [02:23:18] <mranostay> still in CA for a week or two
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  • [02:26:19] <ka6sox> does there have to be?
  • [02:27:04] <mranostay> closer to SJC than NUQ i think technically
  • [02:27:15] * mranostay is too lazy to map it
  • [02:27:39] <calculus> I wasn't aware of public flights through moffet field
  • [02:30:32] <xenoxaos> can one use the lcd pins as gpio pins?
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  • [02:31:11] <mranostay> calculus: there isn't. :)
  • [02:31:33] <mranostay> calculus: i suppose you could 'attempt' to land there :P
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  • [02:34:31] <ka6sox> xenoxaos, yes
  • [02:34:46] <ka6sox> read up on pinmuxing
  • [02:34:49] <xenoxaos> kk
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  • [02:41:31] <xenoxaos> is there any change to this stuff since devicetree/pinctrl?
  • [02:46:05] <ka6sox> xenoxaos, yes
  • [02:47:27] <ka6sox> assuming you use a 3.8+ kernel.
  • [02:47:36] <xenoxaos> 3.8.9
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  • [02:49:13] <ka6sox> then yes, its all about DT
  • [02:49:29] <ka6sox> DT-r-US
  • [02:49:49] <xenoxaos> yep....we're using dt
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  • [02:50:47] <emeb_mac> mranostay: I gots me a Hoegaarden right now.
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  • [03:44:00] <Steve____> sup
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  • [03:48:56] <Steve____> Does anyone know of sample code that uses PWM output? I saw terminal stuff but I am looing for script
  • [03:48:59] <Steve____> or c code
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  • [04:11:08] <hustcalm> you can refer to the examples here, I guess, http://elinux.org/Category:ECE497
  • [04:11:15] <mranostay> mrpackethead: howdy kiwi dude
  • [04:11:40] <mrpackethead> hi
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  • [04:28:10] <SwK> anyone know why libtool doesnt seem to install properly?
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  • [04:36:37] <mranostay> SwK: vague and vague?
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  • [04:39:58] <mrpackethead> mranostay: how can i hel
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  • [04:43:54] <SwK> mranostay: installed libtool package
  • [04:44:02] <SwK> no libtool binary to be found
  • [04:44:13] <SwK> libtoolize is there??? but thats only part of libtool
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  • [04:53:52] <dm8tbr> which distro?
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  • [04:55:09] <SwK> the default shipping angstrom on the BBB
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  • [05:00:31] <bluenotebook> is it too late to start discussing ideas for GSoC application process?
  • [05:00:52] <mranostay> almost iirc
  • [05:01:47] <SwK> wasnt the cutoff a few weeks ago?
  • [05:01:55] <SwK> (for submissions for SoC)
  • [05:03:54] <dm8tbr> that was for orgs
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  • [06:11:24] <Anshuman> Hi
  • [06:12:09] <Anshuman> Anybody Knows how to configure Beaglebone for netbeans c development?
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  • [06:15:47] * KotH starts JIHAD against java!
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  • [06:28:21] <av500> KotH: a JAHAD?
  • [06:28:50] <av500> or HAD.js?
  • [06:29:09] <KotH> HAD.jar
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  • [06:31:00] <dm8tbr> jarjar the had?
  • [06:31:13] <Russ> badass rock star tech
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  • [06:32:24] <mranostay> you damn right
  • [06:32:48] <av500> you friggin left
  • [06:33:01] * mranostay is still here
  • [06:33:14] * mranostay looking at hipster apartment listings
  • [06:33:40] * dm8tbr conducts rocket surgery
  • [06:33:41] <av500> open plan living ftw!
  • [06:34:12] <mranostay> av500: yeah all studio/lofts..
  • [06:34:18] <dm8tbr> av500: does it come with a complimentary red swingline stapler?
  • [06:35:09] * mranostay didn't know there were micro-lofts
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  • [06:35:59] <dm8tbr> that's what she said
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  • [06:36:17] <av500> hey, keep it glassy
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  • [06:36:37] <dm8tbr> in case of emergency, break glass?
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  • [06:41:08] <KotH> in case of zombie attack, grab riffle
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  • [06:41:49] <mranostay> amen
  • [06:45:09] <ka6sox> moaning
  • [06:46:18] <mranostay> TMI
  • [06:46:36] <tasslehoff> If enabled and working, approx. how long after u-boot starts the kernel should I expect to see my clut224.ppm?
  • [06:46:41] * tasslehoff sees only darkness
  • [06:47:30] <mranostay> come again?
  • [06:47:43] <mranostay> splash screen?
  • [06:49:31] * KotH feels american this morning
  • [06:49:51] <KotH> friend has missed a shooting in a club by a couple of minutes, this weekend
  • [06:50:12] <KotH> .o0(.ch has become very dangerouse)
  • [06:51:12] <tasslehoff> mranostay: yep. boot logo.
  • [06:53:35] <KotH> i thought we got away with those a couple of years ago?
  • [06:55:07] <tasslehoff> we don't like them? when turning on our system it takes ~15 seconds before anything shows on screen. trying to beautify the boot process a bit.
  • [06:55:51] <KotH> then put it into u-boot, as first thing
  • [06:56:16] <KotH> and IMHO an embedded system shouldnt take 15s to show something
  • [06:57:08] <KotH> 5s should be enough
  • [06:57:09] * koen ywans
  • [06:57:11] <tasslehoff> KotH: that's MHO as well, which is why I'm trying to fix it :)
  • [06:57:13] <av500> the thing on board the moon lander took longer than 15s to boot
  • [06:57:20] <KotH> with a bit tweaking, you should be able to go below 2s
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  • [06:58:02] <KotH> tasslehoff: uhmm... there are people who get an embedded system to boot and run an opengl app in less than 1s
  • [06:58:17] <KotH> av500: how many c64 were in there? ;)
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  • [07:32:26] <anujdeshpande> Hello all. I actually wanted a little help with the Arduino proposal . I made a list of some of the libraries that will I think should be covered and the things that will be required for that.. http://anujdeshpande.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/gsoc-13/ .. I wanted to know about how to go on implementing Ethernet and WiFI
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  • [08:01:34] <mrpackethead> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151577357987661&set=vb.645277660&type=2&theater
  • [08:01:39] <mrpackethead> todays work
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  • [08:10:22] <keesj> mrpackethead: cool
  • [08:10:38] <mrpackethead> theres a beagle in that mix
  • [08:11:32] <keesj> Where's Wally the beagle?
  • [08:11:34] <koen> mru: attending linuxtag this year?
  • [08:11:52] <mrpackethead> beagles are backstage
  • [08:11:56] <mrpackethead> doing protocol conversion
  • [08:13:48] <keesj> do you blog about this?
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  • [08:14:10] <keesj> sounds interesting
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  • [08:23:18] <tasslehoff> I do my pinmuxing in u-boot, and fiddle with gpios. Shouldn't a kernel with pinmuxing disabled then respect me and not change the gpios from what I set in u-boot?
  • [08:23:19] <panto> morn
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  • [09:07:24] <jackmitchell> does anyone know off hand if I can get a en ethernet over the expansion headers on the bealgebone?
  • [09:07:35] <jacekowski> nope
  • [09:07:47] <jackmitchell> darn, that was what I thought
  • [09:08:07] <jacekowski> ethernet has to go through magnetics
  • [09:08:12] <jacekowski> and those are in the jack itseldf
  • [09:08:15] <jacekowski> itself*
  • [09:09:10] <jackmitchell> jacekowski: ah yes, ok, I want to re-route the ethernet pins to a jack elsewhere on a custom motherboard
  • [09:09:18] <keesj> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_Starter_Kit has two
  • [09:09:25] <av500> jackmitchell: then no
  • [09:09:52] <jackmitchell> av500: the required pins aren't routed to the headers then?
  • [09:10:28] <keesj> and SPI based?
  • [09:10:50] <jackmitchell> yeah we use SPI on the board
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  • [09:11:37] <jacekowski> you could connect SPI ethernet module
  • [09:11:39] <jacekowski> and do it that way
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  • [09:11:58] <av500> unless you need it fast
  • [09:12:07] <av500> you can also connect eth over GPMC
  • [09:12:13] <av500> (and write a driver)
  • [09:13:02] <jackmitchell> yeah, thats not what I want to do, a custom SoM vendor might be a better alternative than trying to tweak the bone
  • [09:13:03] <keesj> or over usb :P
  • [09:13:16] <jackmitchell> keesj: that's definitely not what I want to do!! :p
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  • [09:15:21] <av500> usb is also not on the expansion header
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  • [09:20:25] <olspookishmagus> hello to y' all :D
  • [09:20:43] <av500> hi
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  • [09:34:03] <mru> koen: linuxtag? I doubt it
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  • [09:56:36] <Turl> morning
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  • [10:10:23] <tsquar3d> Morning! :-)
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  • [10:26:23] <xenoxaos> *grumble*
  • [10:26:47] <av500> http://www.howchip.com/shop/item.php?it_id=ARNOctaA
  • [10:27:19] <Turl> merge window is open, yay
  • [10:28:06] <Turl> av500: 0$ neat, get me 10 units
  • [10:28:23] <av500> Turl: wait for tax&duty
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  • [10:29:27] <Turl> av500: tax and duty is a percentage, any percentage of 0 is 0 :)
  • [10:29:44] <av500> why said it was a percentage?
  • [10:29:47] <av500> who
  • [10:29:51] <Turl> av500: the real deal breaker is fedex shipping
  • [10:30:08] <Turl> av500: fedex shipping means it doesn't get here
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  • [10:31:41] <Turl> av500: it always is :P
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  • [10:34:12] <Turl> oh, it's big.LITTLE
  • [10:34:59] <av500> yes
  • [10:35:25] <koen> Turl: the customs office is free to estimate the value themselves if they disagree with the invoice
  • [10:36:09] * koen double checks the containers
  • [10:36:20] <koen> I really used the regular beans, not the decaf ones
  • [10:36:27] <koen> hmmm
  • [10:36:31] <koen> time for more coffee
  • [10:36:37] <Turl> koen: and they always do
  • [10:36:47] <Turl> what's the point of decaf coffee?
  • [10:38:09] <mru> none
  • [10:38:36] <koen> decaf allows me to drink coffee after 4PM and fall asleep before midnight
  • [10:38:59] * Turl never has trouble sleeping
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  • [10:39:29] <Turl> even when drinking caffeinated beverages at midnight and then going to sleep
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  • [10:40:24] <koen> if I stop using a computer after 7PM I can drink regular coffee most of the times
  • [10:40:36] <koen> so I guess it's a combination that keeps my brain in full gear
  • [10:41:44] <av500> Turl: +1
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  • [10:44:37] <Turl> going back on topic, can you run all 8 cores simultaneously on the octa?
  • [10:44:57] <av500> sure
  • [10:45:14] <av500> if you need warm hands
  • [10:45:18] <av500> or warm coffee
  • [10:45:22] <Turl> haha
  • [10:45:29] <Turl> I have my i7 box for that :)
  • [10:45:50] <Turl> I need to get some more coolers for it
  • [10:45:59] <Turl> Physical id 0: +39.0??C (high = +85.0??C, crit = +105.0??C)
  • [10:46:09] <Turl> that's idle, mostly
  • [10:46:14] <Turl> playing flac, irssi and a browser
  • [10:46:32] <mru> 39 doesn't seem too bad
  • [10:46:40] <Turl> let me spawn 8 yes
  • [10:47:41] <mru> my desktop idles at 30-35
  • [10:47:48] <mru> goes up to 40 or so under load
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  • [10:48:12] <rob_w> plop
  • [10:48:40] <mru> did you fall in the pool?
  • [10:49:04] <rob_w> fall into the beaglebone chat
  • [10:49:07] <Turl> mru: Physical id 0: +89.0??C (high = +85.0??C, crit = +105.0??C)
  • [10:49:20] <tasslehoff> The pins I configure as GPIO/M4 in u-boot are messed with by the kernel. When I export them in sysfs it claims they are inputs. I have not enabled pinmux in the kernel. Any idea who/what messes with my pins?
  • [10:49:27] * tasslehoff can't find the kernel code to blame
  • [10:49:37] <mru> Turl: whoa, that's hot
  • [10:49:40] <rob_w> ah mr. av500 is op .. nice
  • [10:49:45] <mru> you do need a better cooler
  • [10:50:06] <Turl> mru: ivy gets hotter than sandy, but yeah
  • [10:50:18] <Turl> I'm using the stock cooler, and my case has just 1 fan
  • [10:50:24] <Turl> certainly doesn't help much
  • [10:51:47] <panto> tasslehoff, yes
  • [10:52:00] <av500> ha, embedded: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Its-not-the-size-that-matters.aspx
  • [10:52:01] <panto> all the pins are messed with
  • [10:52:13] <panto> pinctrl does it
  • [10:52:31] <mru> Turl: mine's an old nehalem/bloomfield
  • [10:52:43] <panto> remember, people can boot without u-boot, so the kernel should be prepared to do without u-boot configuring things for you
  • [10:54:20] <Turl> mru: nehalem was core2quad wasn't it?
  • [10:54:42] <mru> i7
  • [10:54:46] <mru> first-gen
  • [10:54:52] <Turl> ah
  • [10:55:10] <av500> rob_w: hi :)
  • [10:55:15] <mru> laptop is ivy bridge
  • [10:55:24] <Turl> panto: some people like to claim the opposite at times
  • [10:55:29] <mru> and is actually faster at some things despite lower cpu clock
  • [10:55:43] <Turl> mru: well, duh :)
  • [10:55:57] <av500> rob_w: building videowalls still?
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  • [10:57:26] <tasslehoff> panto: hm. meaning the mux*.c code for omap?
  • [10:57:28] <Turl> nice to see other people from ar in here :)
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  • [10:57:59] <jackmitchell> does anyone know if the ethernet PHY activity lights are controlled from the kernel driver, or hardwired in the ethernet chip?
  • [10:58:09] <jackmitchell> in reagrds to cpsw, beaglebone
  • [10:58:29] <jackmitchell> I can't see anything in the cpsw driver, so I am inclined to say the ethernet chip handles them
  • [10:59:07] <panto> I think they're h/w
  • [10:59:27] <av500> chip?
  • [10:59:34] <av500> on beagle?
  • [10:59:36] <panto> tasslehoff, I'm not exactly sure, but don't expect pins to stay untouched
  • [10:59:36] <av500> or bone?
  • [10:59:59] <jackmitchell> bone, the IP in the SoC I was referring to (rather than chip)
  • [11:00:13] <av500> schematics
  • [11:00:15] <av500> TRM
  • [11:00:19] <av500> CTRL-F
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  • [11:01:55] <rob_w> av500, no
  • [11:02:08] <rob_w> seen it, done it , moved on
  • [11:02:24] <rob_w> beaglebone is the new toy
  • [11:02:29] <av500> t-shirt?
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  • [11:03:24] <rob_w> no t-shirt
  • [11:03:40] <rob_w> or what u mean ?
  • [11:04:22] <av500> been there, done that, got the t-shirt
  • [11:04:34] <rob_w> ah right ..
  • [11:04:55] <rob_w> nah .. didnt made it that far .. project froze
  • [11:05:23] <rob_w> overall am335x is the new paradise to reach
  • [11:06:29] <av500> totally
  • [11:06:39] <av500> the SoC if milk and honey
  • [11:06:42] <av500> of+
  • [11:06:43] <av500> of*
  • [11:06:45] <av500> gah
  • [11:06:51] <rob_w> so true
  • [11:07:15] <av500> rob_w: making your own board or buying a SOM?
  • [11:07:17] <rob_w> sorting out the meta layers
  • [11:07:23] <rob_w> well,
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  • [11:07:39] <rob_w> hard to beat the bone prizes tbh
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  • [11:08:01] <rob_w> so we will stick with with some baseboards for the bone as a start
  • [11:08:47] <rob_w> as long as its expansion headers give out what we need and there is no need for smaller pcb sizes .. bone is the goal atm
  • [11:09:39] <rob_w> but sofar it looks like that ! only the hdmi framer is in our way abit .. but that is solveable ( *swings the mux sword)
  • [11:10:10] <av500> I think you can disable it
  • [11:10:20] <rob_w> yet the meta layers are yet again a mess .. master branch here , danny there , denzil over here .. grrr
  • [11:10:34] <av500> buildroot runs fine on mine
  • [11:10:40] <av500> cursor blinks happily
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  • [11:10:55] <rob_w> no buildroot for rob_w .. pls
  • [11:11:34] <rob_w> i do like the poky train, yet i dont like the full blown images , even systemd is overkill imho
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  • [11:13:27] <av500> to each his own
  • [11:13:49] <Shan> hi
  • [11:14:07] <Shan> can anybody help me with this Gsoc ??
  • [11:14:18] <av500> depends
  • [11:15:39] <Shan> what is Gsoc exactly and what should our proposal consist of ?
  • [11:16:11] <Turl> the first question would be most suitable for #gsoc (or reading the gsoc website)
  • [11:17:18] <av500> if you dont know what it is, you better not apply
  • [11:17:39] <av500> also "our" is wrong
  • [11:20:03] <tasslehoff> panto: I add a function in my board init to request+set+free the pins, and now my kernel respects my wishes again :)
  • [11:20:22] <panto> eww
  • [11:20:34] <panto> what's wrong with just adding a pinmux entry in the dts?
  • [11:21:30] <av500> no dts I assume
  • [11:22:00] <av500> not everybody is on that newfangled stuffs
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  • [11:34:34] <tasslehoff> what av500 said. I'm on 2.6.39
  • [11:36:20] <KotH> ah.. you are a programmer archeologist?
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  • [11:37:33] <mru> or a realist
  • [11:38:48] <av500> pragmatic
  • [11:38:50] <tasslehoff> the latter. I'm on the last kernel I've tried where suspend (and wake on timer) works.
  • [11:39:50] <panto> tasslehoff, go crazy then, no-one cares :)
  • [11:41:23] <tasslehoff> panto: :)
  • [11:49:30] <tsquar3d> Do any of you have experience with interfaceing a BB with msp430?
  • [11:49:45] <av500> should be doable
  • [11:49:57] <av500> uart might be the easiest
  • [11:51:15] <tsquar3d> av500: was that at me?
  • [11:52:15] <av500> did it not make sense?
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  • [11:53:26] <tsquar3d> You'd use a UART to interface an msp340 with the BB?
  • [11:54:57] <panto> what would you use?
  • [11:55:33] <tsquar3d> Dunno... that's why I am asking
  • [11:56:20] <tsquar3d> I would think a proto-board with an ftdi.
  • [11:57:36] <tsquar3d> Or just an easy target board with usb programmer...
  • [11:57:50] <tsquar3d> But then again, I am new to MSP430
  • [11:58:22] <av500> sure you can hook it up over USB
  • [11:58:33] <av500> and even program it from the bone
  • [11:58:41] <av500> msp-gcc and mspdebug
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  • [12:00:44] <tsquar3d> Couldn't you just use a breadboard and serial outputs on the bone, though?
  • [12:00:52] <tsquar3d> I mean digital
  • [12:01:15] <xenoxaos> you _could_ use smoke signals if you really wanted to
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  • [12:01:39] <av500> tsquar3d: as usual: it depends
  • [12:01:43] * KotH finds it very fitting that iar names its workspace files .eww
  • [12:02:00] <tsquar3d> Or even just stick the thing right into the digital output sockets on the bb...
  • [12:02:20] <tsquar3d> .... the spacing would probably be wrong for that...
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  • [12:05:17] <av500> depends on what thing you want to stick there
  • [12:05:56] <tsquar3d> Right
  • [12:06:00] <mru> KotH: can't you at least do your sanity a favour and use the command line compiler?
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  • [12:14:37] <KotH> mru: sanity?
  • [12:14:44] <KotH> mru: which sanity?
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  • [12:15:32] <KotH> mru: though, i must say that iar drives me really crazy... switching the compiler license causes code that previously worked to stop working
  • [12:15:42] * tsquar3d-afk is now known as tsquar3d
  • [12:16:05] <mru> their licence enforcement code is disgusting too
  • [12:16:09] <mru> have you seen what it does?
  • [12:16:14] <KotH> nope
  • [12:16:17] <tsquar3d> Hmm.... it would be interesting to develop an MSP340 programming cape... but that would be outside the scope of a gsoc, no?
  • [12:16:30] <KotH> i stay away from places where dragons dwell
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  • [12:16:49] <mru> it splatters files with weird *.dll names in c:/windows/system32
  • [12:16:55] <mru> those are not actually dlls
  • [12:16:57] <KotH> o_0
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  • [12:17:10] <mru> they're rather small files containing timestamps and other things
  • [12:17:18] <mru> if you delete them, it gets angry
  • [12:18:00] <mru> presumably they're trying to do security by obscurity
  • [12:18:28] <mru> figuring that people won't dare mess with "system" dlls
  • [12:18:48] <mru> of course anyone of the bent to start poking at the licence management will see through that rather quickly
  • [12:19:35] <KotH> and someone who wants to crack a license will not worry about breaking his system, as he can easily reinstall it
  • [12:19:57] <mru> rm -r .wine :)
  • [12:20:06] <KotH> or that :)
  • [12:20:37] <mru> I never quite figured out how to defeat it
  • [12:20:51] <KotH> imho it's not worth it
  • [12:20:55] <mru> exactly
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  • [12:21:18] <mru> they're doing something to check for clock fudging that I didn't catch
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  • [12:23:02] <cellardoor> Hi, I love my raspberrypi and the cut-down Linux server I've made it. Beaglebone just as fun? :)
  • [12:23:17] <KotH> cellardoor: 1) dont mention rpi here
  • [12:23:24] <mru> bone is far superior
  • [12:23:30] <tsquar3d> Uh oh.
  • [12:23:32] <mru> for starters, it works
  • [12:23:42] <KotH> cellardoor: 2) if you think rpi is fun, we think you are into BDSM
  • [12:23:49] <KotH> cellardoor: 3) the bone is FUN!!!
  • [12:24:19] <keesj> we really need a nice filter replacing xxx with something else
  • [12:24:27] <tsquar3d> 4) If number 3 is true... here's my number...
  • [12:24:28] <cellardoor> Well besides the specs, what makes it actually makes it better?
  • [12:24:39] <tsquar3d> I mean 2
  • [12:24:44] <mru> cellardoor: it works
  • [12:24:48] <mru> it's documented
  • [12:25:00] <mru> there are knowledgable people around to support it
  • [12:25:05] <mru> need more?
  • [12:25:19] <KotH> real ethernet port, more gpio, more everything, PRU
  • [12:25:33] <mru> those things fall under specs
  • [12:25:54] <cellardoor> The BeagleBone black only has 1 USB port :|
  • [12:26:04] <cellardoor> I just came across it earlier and am looking into it, is all
  • [12:26:07] <mru> so does the pi
  • [12:26:11] <tsquar3d> Also, BB is made in 'murica!
  • [12:26:12] <KotH> oh damn! you have to buy a hub!
  • [12:26:16] <mru> it just has on onboard hub
  • [12:26:27] <mru> and the pi usb is unreliable
  • [12:27:26] <KotH> tsquar3d: the last board i bought that was explicitly labled as in "designed and build in america" was defective by design, used cheap and thus easy to fail components and needed a soldering iron to fix what the CEO himself described as "a bug in linux"
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  • [12:27:38] <cellardoor> Ew 'Murica. I'm from the UK. I use 2 x 64GB USB sticks, with BTRFS RAID 1 on the Pi with no problem.
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  • [12:27:52] <cellardoor> It looks nicer, I'll give it that
  • [12:27:54] <mru> lol
  • [12:27:54] <panto> wah?
  • [12:27:58] <cellardoor> and way better processor :|
  • [12:28:04] <tsquar3d> Well, at least the chip is made in 'Murica.
  • [12:28:07] <KotH> tsquar3d: compared to that, a similar board build in taiwan just works, costs one third and i dont have to listen to someone telling me i'm an idiot when i have problems
  • [12:28:11] <panto> how much are the usb sticks cost?
  • [12:28:29] <cellardoor> panto: got them free from work
  • [12:28:38] <panto> over kill much?
  • [12:28:48] <panto> those usb sticks should cost x 5 what the rpi costs :)
  • [12:28:54] <tsquar3d> KotH: You gotta give those sweatshop workers some cred... they really know their way around a soldering iron!
  • [12:29:39] <cellardoor> panto: haha but I've got a dinky little server. Only thing I don't like is the underpowered Processor. I don't want to overclock to 1Ghz and bring about risks of instability. So I found Beagleboard, wondering if it would make a good replacement.
  • [12:30:06] <jacekowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKXo5woHCE
  • [12:30:13] <panto> for anything that's not media playback the bone will knock the socks off the rpi
  • [12:30:15] <Spirilis> cellardoor: my unqualified 2 cents, I suspect for tiny server type of stuff the BBBlack would be superior.
  • [12:30:23] <Spirilis> better I/O subsystems mainly
  • [12:30:27] <Spirilis> along with faster CPU
  • [12:30:35] <Spirilis> those two things matter most for servers ;)
  • [12:30:39] <mru> for server type stuff anything with sata and GbE ports is preferable
  • [12:30:40] <jacekowski> well, BB has SoC that was designed for media center usage
  • [12:30:46] <jacekowski> and it has really fast GPU
  • [12:30:46] <mru> marvell makess such things
  • [12:30:48] <Spirilis> RPi rather
  • [12:30:49] <Spirilis> not BB
  • [12:30:50] <jacekowski> faster than BB
  • [12:31:04] <jacekowski> it's basically very fast GPU with assisting arm core
  • [12:31:15] <av500> assisting UK kids that is
  • [12:31:27] <panto> and getting rid of unsold stock
  • [12:31:36] <tsquar3d> It's those delicate little 5 year old taiwani hands... perfect for placing IC's.
  • [12:31:50] <panto> I wonder what happens when the cheap stock runs out
  • [12:32:14] <cellardoor> Hmm. I'll think about it
  • [12:32:24] <KotH> tsquar3d: nah..
  • [12:32:40] <jacekowski> panto: broadcom said that they are happy to supply those chips forever for that price
  • [12:32:48] <mru> yeah, right
  • [12:32:58] <jacekowski> they still make profit on it
  • [12:33:11] <mru> nobody makes a 'forever' commitment
  • [12:33:21] <KotH> tsquar3d: the issue is that soekris is a shit company. no respect for their customers (anyone reporting a problem is imediatly at fault and an idiot), trying to save every cent possible in production and making bad design decisions everywhere
  • [12:33:50] <panto> jackmitchell, forever is a long time
  • [12:33:51] <av500> cheap SD cards are cheap: http://www3.rohde-schwarz.com/bargains/rsde/Test_and_MeasurementSignal_and_Spectrum_AnalyzersHandheld_and_Portable/4432.html
  • [12:34:16] <mru> panto: eternity is long, especially towards the end
  • [12:34:18] <KotH> av500: those are HF sd cards
  • [12:34:30] <KotH> av500: R&S uses only the best of the best
  • [12:34:35] <tsquar3d> KotH: I was talking about TI.
  • [12:34:48] <av500> High Fidelity?
  • [12:34:56] <av500> 99.9% Rauschfrei?
  • [12:35:05] <KotH> tsquar3d: TI isnt bad... you get support for most of their stuff, even if you are not a company
  • [12:35:12] <KotH> av500: GHz tauglich
  • [12:35:17] <jackmitchell> panto: huh?
  • [12:35:24] <jackmitchell> have I missed somthing..
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  • [12:35:30] <panto> I question that commitment
  • [12:35:49] <jackmitchell> panto: what commitment did I make
  • [12:35:50] <felipebalbi> damn, can't comment :-s
  • [12:35:51] <felipebalbi> heh
  • [12:36:07] <panto> if fab time is needed for anything profitable (i.e. pretty much anything) rpi's soc are going to be left waiting
  • [12:36:18] <panto> jackmitchell, not you, broadcom
  • [12:36:24] <tsquar3d> KotH: You ever dropped a TI-83 on your toe? It'll break every bone in your body before the LCD cracks.
  • [12:36:46] <jackmitchell> panto: ok, I read back and I think you mean jacekowski :P
  • [12:36:52] <KotH> tsquar3d: i wouldnt touch a ti-83 with a 10m pole
  • [12:37:04] <tsquar3d> ...
  • [12:37:04] <panto> jackmitchell, hehe, sorry :)
  • [12:37:04] <KotH> tsquar3d: i am a proud owner of a ti-85 :-)
  • [12:37:04] <jackmitchell> panto: almost the same ;)
  • [12:37:09] <panto> damn autocomplete
  • [12:37:10] <tsquar3d> lolz
  • [12:37:23] <tsquar3d> KotH: We were about to fight.
  • [12:37:33] <tsquar3d> ... then you redeemed yourself.
  • [12:37:47] <KotH> tsquar3d: hehe
  • [12:38:01] <KotH> tsquar3d: i got the Ti-85 when i was 14, and use it ever since
  • [12:38:21] <tsquar3d> My TI-83 followed me all the way to the UK.
  • [12:38:21] <rob_w> does the beaglebone default image come with a temp sensor readout possibility ?
  • [12:38:27] <KotH> tsquar3d: the ti-82/83 are just cheap versions of the 85, with much less functionality
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  • [12:38:49] <KotH> tsquar3d: the 86 is nice again, but the kbd layout sucks for engineering
  • [12:39:08] <mru> is it different from the 85?
  • [12:39:10] <tsquar3d> My Voyage 200 got me all the way through a physics degree. :-)
  • [12:39:13] <KotH> mru: yes
  • [12:39:23] <mru> I thought 86 was mostly an updated 85
  • [12:39:39] <KotH> mru: ti-85: 6MHz Z80, ti-86: 60040, iirc 16MHz
  • [12:40:00] <mru> are you sure about that?
  • [12:40:11] <mru> 89 is the m68k one
  • [12:40:11] <KotH> mru: nah.. the 86 is a size shrink version of the ti-92 II plus
  • [12:40:13] <mru> and 92
  • [12:40:16] <panto> rob_w, there's a weather cape supported oob
  • [12:40:17] <tsquar3d> I really want a TI calculator with a MPS430
  • [12:40:33] <KotH> mru: oh..right...
  • [12:40:37] * KotH got it mixed up
  • [12:41:02] <KotH> mru: there was something about the 86 i didnt like.. though i cannot remember what
  • [12:41:13] <jacekowski> i just ordered the "new" ti nspire cx cas
  • [12:41:24] <jacekowski> the one with linux on it
  • [12:41:33] <KotH> what .. for?
  • [12:41:35] <mru> oh well, I haven't touched a calculator for ~15 years
  • [12:41:46] <jacekowski> KotH: because it has linux on it
  • [12:41:57] <rob_w> panto, ah ok .. i got no cape yet .. but my boss did throw it into a climate chamber and i was wondering to read out the core temp
  • [12:41:59] <mru> do you buy everything with linux on it?
  • [12:42:02] <jacekowski> yes
  • [12:42:06] <mru> you must have a big house
  • [12:42:10] <tsquar3d> mru: YES
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  • [12:42:17] <jacekowski> nah, i sell my toys after i get bored with them
  • [12:42:20] <KotH> mru: does the iar license thingy match on machine name or something?
  • [12:42:21] <panto> rob_w, no temp sensor on board
  • [12:42:45] <mru> KotH: iirc it's tied to the machine somehow
  • [12:42:51] <mru> don't know what it uses as identifier
  • [12:42:53] <tsquar3d> Is there a calculator built with the MSP430?
  • [12:43:01] <mru> network mac address is common
  • [12:43:10] <mru> and oh so easy to fake
  • [12:43:33] <KotH> mru: it must be more. i have two virtualbox VMs with same mac adresses but it only works in one not the other
  • [12:43:34] <Spirilis> tsquar3d: I doubt it, but I totally think they should consider it particularly for a cheap/low-power model.
  • [12:43:36] <rob_w> panto, ur sure ?
  • [12:43:56] <Spirilis> and they got some MSP430's with plenty of space to implement it
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  • [12:44:08] <tsquar3d> Well, if I don't get a gsoc -- I know what I am doing this summer!
  • [12:44:10] <tsquar3d> :-D
  • [12:44:35] <panto> I would know
  • [12:45:04] <panto> root@beaglebone:/sys/class/hwmon# pwd
  • [12:45:04] <panto> root@beaglebone:/sys/class/hwmon# ls
  • [12:45:12] <panto> err, damn
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  • [12:45:27] <panto> -ENODEV
  • [12:45:47] <rob_w> odd
  • [12:45:52] <tsquar3d> Speaking of... if any of you get the chance, could you have a look at my gsoc idea? https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard-gsoc/fmXiJq95Dgk
  • [12:47:18] <mru> Spirilis: I wouldn't count out some regular desk calculator based on msp430
  • [12:47:25] <mru> that thing shows up in the strangest places
  • [12:48:01] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: I think the lower end TI calculators use msp430
  • [12:48:15] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: higher end is using ARM cortex M3F/M4F
  • [12:48:20] <jacekowski> i've got a fluke meter that uses MSP430
  • [12:48:30] <jacekowski> to do all measuring stuff
  • [12:48:40] <jacekowski> and then ARM to handle the display, logging, pc connection, stuff
  • [12:48:42] <mru> why would you want an fpu in a calculator?
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  • [12:49:40] <mru> unless it's a decimal fpu, which the m4f is not
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  • [12:50:02] <jacekowski> fpus are used for math everywhere
  • [12:50:05] <felipebalbi> mru: engineering calculators can use FPUs
  • [12:50:13] <mru> jacekowski: not decimal maths
  • [12:50:24] <mru> that would be a bad mistake
  • [12:50:28] <jacekowski> not really
  • [12:50:32] <jacekowski> if you know your limitations
  • [12:50:37] <felipebalbi> mru: look at what the newest TI NSpire can do
  • [12:50:42] <tsquar3d> Hey, panto, do you know much about data collection / analysis?
  • [12:51:11] <panto> only as much as I could pick up along the way
  • [12:51:13] <panto> so not much
  • [12:51:18] <av500> I know collection comes before analysis
  • [12:51:21] <mru> well, maybe a fancy calculator can make use of an fpu for other things than actual calculations
  • [12:51:25] <felipebalbi> av500: :-)
  • [12:51:29] <tsquar3d> panto: Ah.. okay.. I am just looking for a mentor for the summer. :-)
  • [12:51:36] <mru> or for things where precision isn't required
  • [12:51:39] <mru> like drawing graphs
  • [12:51:45] <felipebalbi> mru: right
  • [12:52:05] <felipebalbi> actually the newer NSpire calculators are pretty cool
  • [12:52:12] <felipebalbi> they can do even 3D visualizations
  • [12:52:12] <av500> nothing like a pentium FPU
  • [12:52:15] <felipebalbi> which is quite need
  • [12:52:18] <mru> anything that spits out a 14-digit decimal answer had better not be using binary arithmetic
  • [12:52:18] <felipebalbi> neat*
  • [12:52:25] <jacekowski> mru: 64bit fpu is good enough to do decimal math for most of the uses
  • [12:52:32] <mru> no it's not
  • [12:52:58] <jacekowski> it becomes a problem if you work with large numbers that have a lot of digits after decimal point
  • [12:53:11] <jacekowski> but 1/1000 is going to be the same on decimal and binary
  • [12:53:14] <mru> I see you don't understand floating-point nearly as well as you think
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  • [12:54:27] <jacekowski> 12345.56789 can be just as acurately represented using decimal and binary floating points
  • [12:54:34] <mru> wrong
  • [12:54:35] <felipebalbi> jacekowski: nevermind that floating points is *always* an aproximation
  • [12:54:42] <felipebalbi> s/is/are/
  • [12:54:52] <mru> jacekowski: try represting 0.2 as binary floating-point
  • [12:54:59] <mru> +spelling
  • [12:55:13] <felipebalbi> mru: nice example :-)
  • [12:55:43] <jacekowski> hmmmmm
  • [12:56:00] <jacekowski> nevermind
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  • [12:57:08] <tsquar3d> Ooooh... you know what would be really fun? Turning the beaglebone into a graphing calculator...
  • [12:57:25] <tsquar3d> It would be SO much cheaper than an NSpire!
  • [12:57:29] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: :-)
  • [12:57:44] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: for a prototype ? yeah... a lot cheaper
  • [12:58:06] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: whatever you do, try to run Octave in the bone ;-)
  • [12:58:07] <felipebalbi> heh
  • [12:58:10] <felipebalbi> that'd be cool
  • [12:58:20] <tsquar3d> felipebalbi: Too bad you're not a mentor or else I'd submit THAT idea as a gsoc project!
  • [12:58:28] <panto> it should just run
  • [12:58:38] <jacekowski> mru: you may be right on that one
  • [12:58:41] <felipebalbi> panto: is Octave optimized for ARM at all ???
  • [12:58:45] <mru> of course I'm right
  • [12:58:51] <panto> no idea
  • [12:58:52] <jacekowski> 0.20000000298023223876953125000000000000000000000000
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  • [12:58:59] <panto> but even if it's not? so what?
  • [12:59:12] <panto> for basic visualization 1GHz should be more than enough
  • [12:59:21] <jacekowski> but then, if you assume that you work within for example 5 significant digits range
  • [12:59:24] <felipebalbi> panto: :-) might work, but it wouldn't be ready for "production"
  • [12:59:30] <jacekowski> it's going to be the same
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  • [12:59:35] <felipebalbi> jacekowski: that's cheating
  • [12:59:42] <mru> jacekowski: most calculators offer 14 decimal digits
  • [13:00:01] <felipebalbi> jacekowski: besides, ready IEEE 754
  • [13:00:05] <felipebalbi> s/ready/read
  • [13:00:11] * mru has
  • [13:00:11] <felipebalbi> damn.. I'm typing wrong today :-p
  • [13:00:18] <felipebalbi> mru: :-)
  • [13:00:26] <jacekowski> well
  • [13:00:33] <jacekowski> if i use double precision float
  • [13:00:37] <jacekowski> 0.20000000000000001110223024625156540423631668090820
  • [13:00:40] <felipebalbi> mru: that's where jacekowski is missing the point :-)
  • [13:00:50] <felipebalbi> mru: he doesn't know how FPs are encoded in binary
  • [13:00:56] <jacekowski> felipebalbi: i do
  • [13:01:02] <jacekowski> i can provide 14 decimal digits accurately
  • [13:01:05] <mru> and he doesn't know about accumulating errors
  • [13:01:19] <felipebalbi> jacekowski: then you should know it's impossible to encode 2.0 in IEEE 754
  • [13:01:30] <felipebalbi> mru: right
  • [13:01:34] <tsquar3d> I'm serious guys! Get a proto cape, some push buttons and an LCD -- we could have a kick-ass graphing calculator here!
  • [13:01:36] <tsquar3d> :-)
  • [13:01:56] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: yup... would be pretty cool :-) you should apply for that, seriously :-)
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  • [13:02:05] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: I'd love to see a linux graphing calculator
  • [13:02:06] <jacekowski> felipebalbi: well, yes and no
  • [13:02:13] <felipebalbi> jacekowski: it's impossible
  • [13:02:22] <felipebalbi> jacekowski: 2.0 cannot be encoded in IEEE 754
  • [13:02:53] <felipebalbi> jacekowski: and it's very *easy* to know that considering matissa always has an implicit "1."
  • [13:03:03] <felipebalbi> so you only encode the bits are the binary point
  • [13:03:16] <jacekowski> you can represent approximation that will be accurate enough
  • [13:03:23] <felipebalbi> jacekowski: but it's not 2.0
  • [13:03:28] <felipebalbi> jacekowski: it's an approximation
  • [13:03:34] <mru> 2.0 is fine
  • [13:03:48] <mru> that's represented as 1.0 * 2^1
  • [13:04:01] <mru> maybe you meant 0.2
  • [13:04:30] <felipebalbi> mru: right
  • [13:04:33] <felipebalbi> mru: my bad
  • [13:04:58] <tsquar3d> felipebalbi: Could you mentor it?
  • [13:04:59] <jacekowski> 64 bit floating point can represent 0.2 with accuracy that is at the same level as most calculators
  • [13:05:10] <mru> no
  • [13:05:21] <jacekowski> 0.20000000000000001110223024625156540423631668090820
  • [13:05:28] <KotH> jacekowski: my Ti-85 uses 14 decimals bcd
  • [13:05:43] <jacekowski> that's 50 digits of 0.2 encoded in double precision floating pont
  • [13:05:45] <jacekowski> point*
  • [13:06:07] <mru> jacekowski: now compute 0.2 * 10 - 2
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  • [13:06:13] <mru> in that order
  • [13:06:24] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: unfortunately not :-( sorry
  • [13:06:40] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: I know you're very excited about it and I wouldn't be able to offer you enough mentoring time :-s
  • [13:06:58] <KotH> mru: numerical stability is advanced stuff... not for the faint heart
  • [13:07:07] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: besides, you're going for your PhD already and I didn't even finish my BSc heh
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  • [13:07:30] <tsquar3d> lol... degrees are just paper.
  • [13:07:39] <mru> indeed
  • [13:07:45] <mru> very expensive paper
  • [13:07:47] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: I agree with you...
  • [13:07:52] <felipebalbi> mru: also agree with you :-)
  • [13:07:55] <KotH> mru: but perfect to wipe your ass
  • [13:08:01] <tsquar3d> Stupid expensive paper...
  • [13:08:06] <felipebalbi> KotH: too tough of a paper, don't you think ?
  • [13:08:11] <felipebalbi> :-p
  • [13:08:11] <tsquar3d> But some peoplke demand that you have them.
  • [13:08:17] <jacekowski> mru: http://codepad.org/ifAtb61f
  • [13:08:21] <mru> even if you live in a country with free education, a degree will cost you lost income
  • [13:08:28] <jacekowski> mru: 0
  • [13:08:30] <KotH> felipebalbi: the eth uses very nice paper :)
  • [13:08:33] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: exactly... although, just because I didn't finish a degree, it doesn't I didn't study
  • [13:08:35] <malcom2073> I've found the kind of people that won't talk to me because I don't have a degree, I don't really want to work with anyway :)
  • [13:08:39] <felipebalbi> KotH: :-)
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  • [13:09:03] <felipebalbi> if anyone still cares about calculus here, get yourself a copy of Michael Spivak's book
  • [13:09:06] <felipebalbi> great
  • [13:09:15] <felipebalbi> they guy's a genius
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  • [13:09:20] * KotH has the three papula
  • [13:09:50] <mru> calculus is useful
  • [13:09:50] <tsquar3d> felipebalbi: After studying physics / computing education research for 2 years for my MPhil I have come to the conclusion that it's a load of crap.
  • [13:10:03] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: lol :-)
  • [13:10:04] <tsquar3d> mru: lol
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  • [13:10:23] <mru> calculus is the foundation for all signal processing
  • [13:10:25] <tsquar3d> Yes... calculus is usefull that's why newton / leibniz invented it.
  • [13:10:39] <KotH> tsquar3d: untrue
  • [13:10:45] <KotH> tsquar3d: calculus has been around a lot longer
  • [13:10:49] <felipebalbi> mru: even if you don't work with signal processing, I feel that calculus helps you building up a very rational way of thinking
  • [13:11:01] <KotH> tsquar3d: newton and leibniz just reinvented it
  • [13:11:08] <tsquar3d> KotH: k
  • [13:11:22] <felipebalbi> KotH: that part of the history I missed.. any pointers ?
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  • [13:11:35] <KotH> wikipedia -> calculus
  • [13:11:36] <felipebalbi> KotH: I know some other ancient civilizations had very advanced mathematicians...
  • [13:11:47] <felipebalbi> KotH: but to the point of infinitesimal calculus, I wasn't aware
  • [13:11:48] <tsquar3d> felipebalbi: Aliens.
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  • [13:12:08] <KotH> felipebalbi: india was a couple 100 years before europe
  • [13:12:08] <tsquar3d> They built the pyramids... and invented calculus.
  • [13:12:51] <tsquar3d> Okay.. well, if anyone is interested in mentoring a bbb graphing calculator project.. PLEASE let me know.
  • [13:12:52] <tsquar3d> :-)
  • [13:14:13] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: hehe, have you watched "Ancient Aliesn" documentary more than once ? :-p
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  • [13:14:54] <tsquar3d> http://inmediares2013.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/aliens-meme.jpeg
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  • [13:15:42] <felipebalbi> tsquar3d: :-)
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  • [13:25:50] <tsquar3d> Okay felipebalbi, I posted a brief proposal on the gsoc mailing list https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard-gsoc/4b9aGrO-T8U
  • [13:26:29] <tsquar3d> :-D
  • [13:27:28] <tsquar3d> Alright... time for me to walk the dog.
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  • [13:28:04] <tsquar3d-afk> lol
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  • [13:28:54] <cellardoor> Quick question - Does the BeagleBoard provide enough power to drive a USB HDD, I got one for R**, and later found out that the USB sockets on it only deliver One Unit Load, and of course the USB HDD needs all 5 at 500mA
  • [13:29:17] <Spirilis> It's supposed to, although you probably want to power it from the DC barrel jack for that.
  • [13:29:57] <cellardoor> Spirilis: sorry I'm confused, I probably should have mentioned it's USB only. It is a little 500GB job with just a USB-A-Male.
  • [13:29:58] <thurbad> I would suggest a powered hub if you're going to drive much of anything ~.~
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  • [13:30:25] <cellardoor> Yeah I should probably just get a Hub. Was just interested to know if BBB can do that while RPI can't
  • [13:31:09] <thurbad> the bb's don't have much power coming in in the first place
  • [13:31:23] <thurbad> same with the r:pi I imaging
  • [13:31:26] * mru still finds the notion of using usb for bulk data transfers horrifying
  • [13:32:02] <NoProblem> Want to edit the HTML page on BBB where is the 101 page located
  • [13:32:26] <cellardoor> mru: na it would be for storage like photos and stuff. Doesn't matter if 480Mbps is top speed really.
  • [13:32:42] <mru> 480Mbps is a lie
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  • [13:32:59] <mru> have you ever read the usb spec?
  • [13:33:11] <cellardoor> mru: I'm being taught it at University
  • [13:33:23] <mru> that's not the same thing
  • [13:33:46] <malcom2073> Powered from the DC plug, I think the BBone has 500mA available, doesn't it?
  • [13:34:01] <koen> the usb mass storage implementation is also horrendous
  • [13:34:08] <koen> "please pass me the next block"
  • [13:34:16] <malcom2073> The RPI is limited (via fuse) to 140mA for each socket. And intrying to pull even that, I have brownout issues
  • [13:34:27] <cellardoor> mru: I'm not a hardware expert. Just regurgitating what I've been taught. USB 2.0 uses 500mA as "5 unit loads" each of 100mA. Speed of 480Mbps.
  • [13:34:41] <mru> the _wire_ speed is 480Mbps
  • [13:34:48] <cellardoor> See this is where the BBB might sell to me... more power to USB.
  • [13:34:50] <mru> the usable data rate is _much_ lower
  • [13:35:02] <cellardoor> mru: like.. bandwidth vs throughput vs goodput?
  • [13:35:21] <mru> for starters, it's half duplex
  • [13:35:34] <mru> the rest of the world moved away from that ~1982
  • [13:35:45] <mru> ok, I made that up
  • [13:35:56] <jkridner|work> malcom2073: All beagleboards pass current unfused and only minimally filtered to the downstream ports. it's up to you to provide enough current in for the current out.
  • [13:36:05] <rob_w> koen, is there a reason why beaglebone docu talks and pull openembedded-core etc master branches instead of any poky denzil / danny or such ?
  • [13:36:19] <av500> koen: in that USB is much like scsi or ATAPI
  • [13:36:23] <mru> and make sure your power lead is made of pure, oxygen-free copper
  • [13:36:29] <cellardoor> Interesting. If this board delivers 500mA I'm in. Get that stupid USB HDD out of the cupboard and put it to use
  • [13:36:34] <koen> rob_w: because poky sucks donkey ass and should never be used for real stuff
  • [13:36:41] <malcom2073> jkridner|work: Good to know, thanks. So what's the maximum you can pull (assuming you have a device that doesn't follow USB spec) before you damage something internally to the BBone?
  • [13:36:45] <rob_w> omg
  • [13:36:46] <jkridner|work> cellardoor: it does, as long as you provide enough current in.
  • [13:37:23] * rob_w head makes a crashing noise
  • [13:37:26] <jkridner|work> it would be multiple amps, as long as you provide it on the input.
  • [13:37:42] <malcom2073> Wow, that's kinda awesome.
  • [13:38:03] <cellardoor> jkridner|work: ....... I would stick 2A in, which should leave 1500mA for the board, plenty I should think? If not I could just go to 5A or something. I think I will join your little club tonight.
  • [13:38:34] <jkridner|work> yeah, plenty.
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  • [13:39:23] <rob_w> koen, so u say oe-core + angstrom is the way to go for real stuff ? right ?
  • [13:39:55] <koen> rob_w: whatever http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom builds
  • [13:42:19] <rob_w> aye aye
  • [13:42:40] <rob_w> this is a real mess
  • [13:44:24] <cmicali> hm are the beagle blacks supposed to come with an SD card like the white? My 2 from adafruit did not
  • [13:44:32] <mru> no
  • [13:44:33] <jkridner|work> no
  • [13:44:45] <mru> they come with emmc instead
  • [13:44:48] <jkridner|work> part of the cost savings is to use on-board emmc
  • [13:44:53] <cmicali> aah nice
  • [13:45:20] <cmicali> price > sd card
  • [13:45:29] <cmicali> price point of the black is amazing
  • [13:45:54] <malcom2073> So I've noticed that on the BBone, Kernel 3.2, USB Bluetooth does not work, and a friend of mine confirmed that shields do not work either. Kernel 3.8 USB bluetooth works, does that mean that BT shields will work too?
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  • [13:46:16] <thurbad> how does emmc compare in speed to sd?
  • [13:46:21] <malcom2073> s/shields/capes
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  • [13:50:48] <cellardoor> One other question. I've seen stuff like Android, "Angstrom" and Ubuntu mentioned as OS/s for the RPi. Is a stripped down build like an initial Gentoo or Arch install one of these? I want an absolute clean slate OS and want to put only the bare minimum required programs on.
  • [13:51:22] <koen> why is angstrom between quotes?
  • [13:51:40] <malcom2073> cellardoor: http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started
  • [13:51:42] <malcom2073> bottom of the page
  • [13:51:46] <malcom2073> "Other currently available software images"
  • [13:52:00] <malcom2073> Has instructions for building gentoo, ubuntu, arch, a variety of images
  • [13:52:06] <mru> it's easy enough to build a small gentoo
  • [13:52:16] <av500> cellardoor: build a minimal angstrom
  • [13:52:26] <mru> if you're familiar with gentoo
  • [13:53:11] <cellardoor> malcom2073: Thank you that's exactly what I needed :)
  • [13:53:37] <cellardoor> mru: I am, I may go either that or Arch. Advantage of Arch is no fiddly masks to deal with.
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  • [14:00:55] <Tartarus> If you're comfortable with *, then yes, you just need to move the kernel over really
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  • [14:16:37] <brendan_> Is it possible to communicate with the PRU from Java?
  • [14:17:44] <koen> if you write the JNI bindings
  • [14:17:46] <av500> sure
  • [14:18:34] <brendan_> How difficult is it? I have a project that i would like to drive a SSD1289 from a java program.
  • [14:20:18] <koen> why do you need PRU for that?
  • [14:20:27] <koen> someone made it work with the lcd controller already
  • [14:20:39] <koen> and get a standard linux framebuffer up
  • [14:22:06] <panto> koen, err, spi controller
  • [14:22:21] <koen> 'LIDD' mode
  • [14:22:26] <koen> whatever that means
  • [14:22:36] <panto> err, link?
  • [14:23:01] <panto> I know the adafruit 1.8" display works as an framebuffer, but the transport is spi
  • [14:23:19] <koen> http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7814&start=0
  • [14:23:23] <brendan_> It seemed like that was text only/not controlled form user programs? Unless I missunderstood it
  • [14:24:27] <brendan_> This is also for a beaglebone black BTW
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  • [14:25:15] <panto> koen, I think that's a memory interface
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  • [14:25:35] <av500> some blacks arrived in germany too via digikey
  • [14:25:38] <panto> well, scratch that, that's an lcd interface
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  • [14:26:26] * xenoxaos has had a black for like a month now
  • [14:26:29] <xenoxaos> :P
  • [14:26:54] <panto> koen, isn't that just a friggin lcd panel?
  • [14:27:01] <av500> xenoxaos: same here :)
  • [14:27:23] <xenoxaos> of course it's got the wrong cpu on it...but w/e
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  • [14:28:20] <koen> panto: I see references to driving it as SPI on the rpi
  • [14:29:12] <panto> no, this is driven as a memory interface
  • [14:29:20] <panto> but is using the lcd signals...
  • [14:29:26] <panto> hum, interesting
  • [14:29:49] <panto> a generic mechanism for simple busses would let you do that without the gpmc
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  • [14:31:05] <panto> aha, yeah, that's what LIDD does
  • [14:31:46] <panto> "NOTE: If an LCD panel is not used, this interface can be used to control any MCU-like peripheral."
  • [14:32:10] <panto> dammit TI, you never let know exactly what you put in your SoCs
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  • [14:32:43] <brendan_> So what are my best options for running an LCD screen from a user program? Preferably Java because the program I'm adapting is already in Java.
  • [14:33:02] <panto> why would you want to use java in a low end SoC?
  • [14:33:06] <panto> don't you like speed?
  • [14:33:30] <panto> the LCD is just a framebuffer
  • [14:33:42] <panto> it should work with anything that can output to a linux framebuffer
  • [14:34:01] <brendan_> Haha, I do like speed, but I like getting my project running in less time, the speed isn't too critical
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  • [14:43:21] <bradfa> morning, channel
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  • [14:43:44] <av500> yo
  • [14:43:53] <av500> hows the sd card carry trade business?
  • [14:44:56] <bradfa> heh
  • [14:45:02] <cmicali> anyone know where the wireless-tools package has done in the latest armstrong image? not showing up in opkg search either
  • [14:45:02] <bradfa> really don't want to become an exporter
  • [14:45:21] <bradfa> was asked if I'd export 150 and 500 cards from USA to EU
  • [14:45:29] <bradfa> don't want to do that for many many reasons
  • [14:45:34] <koen> bradfa: guether?
  • [14:45:37] <bradfa> koen, yes
  • [14:45:41] <koen> thought so :)
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  • [14:45:53] <bradfa> I gave some recommendations and then got asked if I'd buy and ship
  • [14:46:19] <malcom2073> That just sounds shady.
  • [14:46:25] <ShadowJK> usa to eu? wtf?
  • [14:46:27] <bradfa> I have no idea how to even fill the paperwork required
  • [14:46:31] <koen> so, prospective mentors, can you give some comments on the reviews posted to the beagle-gsoc mailinglist?
  • [14:47:03] <koen> ehm
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  • [14:47:08] <koen> s/review/proposals/
  • [14:47:12] <koen> still not enough coffee
  • [14:47:25] <Turl> haha
  • [14:47:43] <koen> almost 5pm and I still feel half asleep
  • [14:47:45] <panto> koen, is there a web based list?
  • [14:47:50] <koen> dman you veronica orth!
  • [14:47:59] <Turl> "
  • [14:48:04] <Turl> Is your idea worth $5,000 this summer? Propose it, code it, load it and WIN Google Summer of Code 2013??? all with the help of BeagleBoard.org."
  • [14:48:13] <koen> there's https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/beagleboard-gsoc
  • [14:48:23] <Turl> since when do you "win" GSoC?
  • [14:49:04] <koen> and there's melange, but I can't figure out how to see the proposals
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  • [14:49:15] * koen looks at jkridner|work to post exact steps to beagleboard-gsoc list
  • [14:49:28] <bradfa> koen, this sounds like an interesting one, although why not use sysfs and make it suck less? https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/asion/1
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  • [14:50:16] <ShadowJK> Speaking of SD cards, anyone ever managed to get "indudstrial" cards, they're often advertised with "BOM control", do you get to pick a non-shit controller? :)
  • [14:50:17] <av500> koen: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2013#proposals_submitted
  • [14:50:22] <av500> koen: login first
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  • [14:50:34] <av500> also, I still hate melange
  • [14:50:37] <bradfa> koen, any of the arduino compatibility layers might be worth funding
  • [14:50:42] <av500> like the fact that its hardcoded width
  • [14:50:56] <av500> so 3/4 of my monitor are wasted
  • [14:51:04] <av500> betit looks cool on a netbook
  • [14:51:14] <av500> bradfa: $99?
  • [14:51:37] <bradfa> av500, sold!
  • [14:51:46] <bradfa> or making bonescript better
  • [14:51:53] <bradfa> seems like a few interested in that
  • [14:52:05] <ka6sox> mourning
  • [14:52:07] <calculus> thanks mru, I am useful :)
  • [14:52:13] <av500> :)
  • [14:52:22] <Turl> ka6sox: mourning
  • [14:52:46] <ka6sox> hiya Turl
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  • [14:54:53] <bradfa> not sure I'm a good mentor for any of that stuff, though
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  • [14:56:06] <ka6sox> bradfa, how *does* one sign up at melange
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  • [14:56:22] <bradfa> ka6sox, /join #exactsteps and ask
  • [14:56:33] <bradfa> :)
  • [14:56:35] <Turl> ka6sox: go to the main page and sign up? :)
  • [14:56:51] <bradfa> ka6sox, https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/profile/mentor/google/gsoc2013?org=beagle
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  • [14:57:29] <bradfa> ka6sox, for the msp430 integration, where do you see that going with gsoc? I might be interested in that
  • [14:58:26] <bradfa> ka6sox, we run cc430s connected to bone and our interface is currently a pain in my arse
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  • [14:59:44] <koen> av500: ah, clicking on the beagleboard mentor org doesn't list that
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  • [15:00:35] <malcom2073> Does the BBone Black have a USB OTG, or just a ftdi/power port?
  • [15:00:39] <malcom2073> ftdi serial*
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  • [15:00:45] <bradfa> malcom2073, black has no ftdi onboard
  • [15:00:49] <bradfa> just usb otg
  • [15:01:05] <malcom2073> Ok
  • [15:01:11] <bradfa> see SRM
  • [15:01:20] <ka6sox> bradfa, scary but its done
  • [15:01:35] <malcom2073> Thanks
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  • [15:04:28] <bradfa> ka6sox, about the msp430 integration
  • [15:04:33] <bradfa> what's your take on that idea?
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  • [15:05:38] <ka6sox> I believe that its worthy if we can come up with something that people can use for things other than greenhouses... ;)
  • [15:06:14] <cdrttn> 0nn
  • [15:06:47] <ka6sox> but yes, I support using LP secondary processors to do the routine tasks and letting the main processor try to keep up with the bloatware called JavaScript :|
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  • [15:07:29] <ka6sox> (or even worse...Java)
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  • [15:11:06] <bradfa> ka6sox, well, in my case, C, but yes, I get your drift :)
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  • [15:11:38] <bradfa> I'm looking for a library on MSP side and maybe kernel level code on bone side that can make integration of MSP430 easy
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  • [15:11:58] <bradfa> with decent throughput
  • [15:12:05] <felipebalbi> bradfa: try some remoteprog and rpmsg magic
  • [15:12:08] <bradfa> we have 3 MHz SPI right now and that's too slow
  • [15:12:23] <felipebalbi> bradfa: mdp had an example rpmsg with 6502, IIRC
  • [15:12:29] <bradfa> felipebalbi, I do need to start looking at remoteproc
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  • [15:12:38] <bradfa> core slowness was on MSP side
  • [15:12:41] <Echidna> is it true that the bone only supports up to 1280x1024 from the hdmi?
  • [15:13:01] <bradfa> mdp, got links to your awesome 6502 remoteproc info?
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  • [15:13:12] <ka6sox> bradfa, what interfaces are you proposing for communicating to the MSP?
  • [15:13:24] <felipebalbi> bradfa: lmgtfy, just a sec
  • [15:13:25] <xenoxaos> Echidna: I'm going to assume that might be a limitation of the hdmi converter chip
  • [15:13:29] <bradfa> ka6sox, SPI and 1 GPIO for interrupt
  • [15:13:39] <bradfa> felipebalbi, k, I can google myself :)(
  • [15:13:40] <bradfa> :)
  • [15:13:57] <ka6sox> bradfa, using the MSP as Master or Slave?
  • [15:14:00] <felipebalbi> bradfa: https://github.com/ohporter/b6502
  • [15:14:02] <bradfa> MSP as slave
  • [15:14:05] <bradfa> bone as master
  • [15:14:15] <ka6sox> bradfa, +1000
  • [15:14:15] <bradfa> felipebalbi, thanks :)
  • [15:14:19] <felipebalbi> bradfa: np
  • [15:14:42] <ka6sox> so GPIO says I have something for you Bone?
  • [15:14:45] <bradfa> yes
  • [15:14:48] <bradfa> SPI does the rest
  • [15:14:52] <ka6sox> perfecto
  • [15:14:55] <bradfa> fastest interconnect supported by most MSP
  • [15:15:03] <ka6sox> so no kernel module needed.
  • [15:15:10] <ka6sox> can be all Userspace.
  • [15:15:20] <bradfa> ka6sox, possibly, right now it's a kernel module
  • [15:15:21] <bradfa> for me
  • [15:15:26] <ka6sox> kk
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  • [15:15:29] <bradfa> uses 4 GPIO and 3 MHz SPI
  • [15:15:58] <ka6sox> is the student who's proposal this is here now?
  • [15:16:13] <bradfa> or on #beagle-gsoc?
  • [15:16:26] <bradfa> er, no ones on #beagle-gsoc
  • [15:16:28] <tsquar3d> Talking about the MSP proposal?
  • [15:16:29] <bradfa> really
  • [15:16:32] <bradfa> yes tsquar3d
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  • [15:17:22] <bradfa> k
  • [15:17:26] <bradfa> wtf?
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  • [15:17:46] <bradfa> hi again :)
  • [15:17:53] <tsquar3d> Huzzah for crashing plugins!
  • [15:18:37] <bradfa> tsquar3d, are you the msp430 project person?
  • [15:18:52] <tsquar3d> bradfa: Ha.. no, sounds very interesting, though.
  • [15:19:03] <Turl> tsquar3d: get a real irc client :)
  • [15:19:14] <av500> OMFG: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+TexasInstruments/posts/ezGEqTviSjn
  • [15:19:24] <tsquar3d> Turl: Firefox is a real irc client!
  • [15:19:26] <tsquar3d> :-p
  • [15:19:27] <bradfa> Win!
  • [15:19:52] <Turl> av500: yeah, got the same like an hour ago via email on beagleboard and beagleboard-gsoc
  • [15:19:55] <tsquar3d> No, bradfa, I proposed the BeagleCalc and the data collection/analysis module.
  • [15:20:10] <av500> jkridner, jkridner|work: who writes that stuff?
  • [15:20:13] <Turl> html email >.<
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  • [15:20:25] <av500> jkridner, jkridner|work: did TI buy beaglebaord or what?
  • [15:20:30] <jkridner|work> jessica, cathy, etc.
  • [15:20:35] <jkridner|work> hehe, nope.
  • [15:20:40] <Turl> Jessica L. Callaway
  • [15:20:44] <ka6sox> bradfa, in general I support lower power/capability co-processors (MSP/PRU/8051/Pi)
  • [15:20:46] <bradfa> marketing makes write good on Internets!
  • [15:20:58] <jkridner|work> "WIN" :(
  • [15:21:25] <Turl> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard-gsoc/2AUjb0Z1pAs/bzv7R9JIPgcJ
  • [15:21:27] <tsquar3d> I'd be up for doing a MSP project, though! :-)
  • [15:21:37] <alan_o> av500: Beagle FTW?
  • [15:21:40] <jkridner|work> just read your comment....
  • [15:21:49] <bradfa> tsquar3d, chime in on the ml, maybe work with original poster to define what it would be
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  • [15:21:53] <jkridner|work> I had the same thought before seeing your comment av500.
  • [15:22:07] <av500> well
  • [15:22:13] <alan_o> jkridner|work: oh, you mean that's not your hand in the picture?
  • [15:22:17] <tsquar3d> jkridner|work: Did you think anything of my email?
  • [15:22:22] <ka6sox> what TI is now the sponsor of GSoC?
  • [15:22:27] * bradfa goes to eat, bbl
  • [15:22:39] <av500> alan_o: jkridner is beaglemon though
  • [15:22:50] <av500> gerald is beagledad
  • [15:22:54] <av500> and koen is beaglekid
  • [15:23:12] <Crofton|work> beaglepunks
  • [15:23:16] <tsquar3d> Yeah... I read that proposal as well, bradfa, it is really vague...
  • [15:23:24] <ka6sox> :0
  • [15:23:45] <alan_o> av500: so there was a divorce, and koen lives with dad?
  • [15:23:57] <Fusty> quick questions, is the google groups/newsboard community on the beagleboard.org/community site the prime area for discussion outside this IRC?
  • [15:24:11] <ka6sox> Mailing List is best
  • [15:24:27] <jkridner|work> mailing list === google group
  • [15:24:29] <Fusty> ah cool, thank you
  • [15:24:30] <Echidna> xenoxaos: so there is a limitation?
  • [15:24:36] <ka6sox> ah
  • [15:25:03] <jkridner|work> but all the cool kids hang out here. ;-)
  • [15:25:23] <alan_o> jkridner|work says the same thing on the mailing list :)
  • [15:25:45] <jkridner|work> Gerald would beat me to it.
  • [15:26:12] <tsquar3d> bradfa: Wouldn't it be pretty straightforward to attach a breadboard shield to a beaglebone and use that to program MSP?
  • [15:26:17] <Fusty> also, which is the most popular board at the moment?
  • [15:26:29] <panto> tsquar3d, there is work underway for this
  • [15:26:56] <panto> tsquar3d, even better than just to program it
  • [15:27:06] <panto> jtag + full programming env on the bone
  • [15:27:15] * panto looks at ka6sox, but he's asleep
  • [15:27:20] <tsquar3d> panto: Ah.. that'd be pretty cool. :-)
  • [15:27:22] <bradfa> tsquar3d, programming the MSP isn't the goal here, something like a shared memory interface or other fast interconnect that can support all sorts of stuff on the MSP and bone sides
  • [15:27:22] <ka6sox> huh?
  • [15:27:27] <bradfa> well for me at least
  • [15:27:31] <ka6sox> panto, just no coffee yet
  • [15:27:39] <tsquar3d> I see.
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  • [15:27:50] <bradfa> and making it easy enough that even I can figure it out :)
  • [15:27:54] <bradfa> with my old compilers and whatnot
  • [15:27:59] <panto> hold your horses, there are things in play here
  • [15:28:10] * bradfa holds horses
  • [15:28:17] * ka6sox perks up
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  • [15:28:35] <tsquar3d> :-/
  • [15:28:49] <xenoxaos> Echidna: actually, looking at the specs of that chip, it CAN do 1080p http://www.nxp.com/products/interface_and_connectivity/hdmi/hdmi_transmitters/TDA19988BHN.html#quickreference the limit is probably somewhere else then
  • [15:29:17] <panto> the limit is the max pixel clock of the lcdc controller
  • [15:29:54] <ka6sox> and the ability of the Bone to keep up
  • [15:29:55] <panto> and frankly no-one has tried up to now to pump out so many pixels on the bone
  • [15:30:13] <panto> ka6sox, with the new 400MHz memory maybe it would be able to do it
  • [15:30:24] <ka6sox> ya, maybe enough Memory BW
  • [15:30:28] <panto> but for updating the display at high frame rates? nah
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  • [15:31:00] <panto> anyway, for the Nth time, if you want 1080p get an RPi
  • [15:31:39] <av500> jkridner|work: please, add the above line in red/blink on the homepage
  • [15:31:56] <bradfa> Fusty, did anyone answer your question about most popular? If not, right now I'd say get a Bone Black, it'll be the most popular in about 1 month around these parts
  • [15:32:02] <av500> or make mru write 1080p decoder in the PRU
  • [15:32:11] <Fusty> it seems incredibly capable for 45 bux
  • [15:32:13] <ka6sox> av500, use a Pi as a 1080p coprocessor?
  • [15:32:18] <Fusty> I can't figure out why the more expensive ones are so much more
  • [15:32:27] <Fusty> thanks bradfa
  • [15:32:40] <av500> ka6sox: yep
  • [15:32:51] <av500> ka6sox: connected via I2C
  • [15:32:56] <panto> one wire
  • [15:32:57] <av500> I2CHD
  • [15:33:03] <bradfa> av500, doesn't the Pi basically use a GPU with a CPU kludged on the side to do everything that isn't 1080p processing?
  • [15:33:07] <tsquar3d> Well, if anyone is interested in mentoring a data collection / analysis module project or a BeagleCalc graphing calculator... I'll be sulking around. :-)
  • [15:33:09] <av500> jajaja
  • [15:33:20] <jkridner|work> hmmmm..... seems lots of people have covered that the maximum practical output is 1280x1024.
  • [15:33:31] * bradfa now really goes to get lunch
  • [15:33:35] <av500> jkridner|work: people read about black vs rpi
  • [15:33:38] <av500> then come here
  • [15:33:42] <panto> jkridner|work, TBH, gerald might find a way to up the pixel clock
  • [15:33:43] <av500> and assume it does HD video
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  • [15:33:49] <Fusty> I was more attracted to the beagleboard than the raspberry pi, are there any glaring downsides I should know? Sorry to be so newby
  • [15:33:55] <av500> yes
  • [15:33:56] <panto> but it will suck at higher resolutions
  • [15:33:58] <av500> NO 1080p video
  • [15:34:09] <Echidna> av500: what was the reason though
  • [15:34:10] <panto> No furries too
  • [15:34:14] <panto> if you're into that thing
  • [15:34:19] <av500> reason?
  • [15:34:21] <Fusty> i'd prefer no furries
  • [15:34:24] <Fusty> prefur**
  • [15:34:28] <panto> +1
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  • [15:34:54] <Echidna> av500: because who runs a 19" 5:4 monitor nowadays..
  • [15:34:54] * av500 goes to write a bot that says "it does not do 1080p" to everybody who joins
  • [15:35:02] <av500> what?
  • [15:35:14] <Fusty> you could just place that message in the ./topic
  • [15:35:22] <KotH> av500: DO THAT!
  • [15:35:27] <panto> +1
  • [15:35:27] <av500> Fusty: webirc users dont read topics
  • [15:35:29] <KotH> Fusty: nobody reads topics
  • [15:35:35] <Fusty> heh
  • [15:35:35] <av500> that too
  • [15:35:35] <Fusty> dang
  • [15:35:41] <panto> but we cant point them there
  • [15:35:42] <Fusty> I read it every time, but i'm a ZNC user
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  • [15:35:59] <mhaberler> would an eDisplayPort LCD interface to a BB? this looks cool: http://emerythacks.blogspot.co.at/2013/04/connecting-ipad-retina-lcd-to-pc.html
  • [15:36:02] <ka6sox> av500, thats right
  • [15:36:10] <av500> mhaberler: no
  • [15:36:14] <ka6sox> webirc clients don't read/see the topic
  • [15:36:17] <mhaberler> :-/
  • [15:36:19] <av500> it does not do 2560x1080 either
  • [15:36:26] * KotH feels noobish
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  • [15:36:28] <av500> or xwhatever
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  • [15:36:31] <Turl> ka6sox: freenode's does
  • [15:36:42] <panto> mhaberler, it would work, but only as a slide show
  • [15:36:42] <av500> yes, but people do not
  • [15:36:46] <Turl> but it's on top and nobody reads it
  • [15:36:52] <Turl> what av500 says
  • [15:36:52] <mhaberler> nah
  • [15:36:53] <panto> so 'no 1080p'
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  • [15:36:59] <panto> no 4K either
  • [15:37:17] <av500> no 8k
  • [15:37:19] <Turl> what? no 4k??!one!1
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  • [15:37:28] <av500> black is shit
  • [15:37:29] <Echidna> people will be like "oh but 720p will work, right?"
  • [15:37:33] <av500> everybody leave please
  • [15:38:02] <Turl> but it has HDMI!
  • [15:38:13] <malcom2073> lol
  • [15:38:22] <Fusty> wait, you're saying I can't do 120hz 1080p 3D, dealbreaker guys
  • [15:38:30] <ka6sox> av500, even me? I've been silent on this silly discussion....
  • [15:38:40] <Fusty> I don't want any screen peekers in my crappy battleship clone
  • [15:39:37] <ka6sox> I'm sure the Bone will display MineCraft just fine.
  • [15:39:40] <Fusty> last newb question, are there any peripheral channels related to the beagle that are sueful?
  • [15:39:47] <Turl> ka6sox: over vnc, maybe
  • [15:40:09] <tsquar3d> ka6sox: Sweet... minecraft!
  • [15:40:11] <Turl> minecraft needs like a dual xeon with quad SLI to work decently
  • [15:40:26] <Fusty> and you're still limited by silly HD access spikes
  • [15:40:34] <ka6sox> I was referring to the Blocky Nature of the content :P
  • [15:40:52] <Echidna> well forget about video, you cant really work properly at 1280x1024..
  • [15:40:59] <tsquar3d> The BBB could be a pretty rad handheld gaming device... although it probably would be limited to SNES games. :-)
  • [15:41:04] <ka6sox> (and why it takes a dual link or Quad SLI is stupid
  • [15:41:06] <ka6sox> )
  • [15:41:15] <Fusty> if dwarf fortress wasn't such a cpu murderer . . .
  • [15:41:21] <Turl> 8bit game emulation should work good
  • [15:41:40] <Fusty> DF adventurer mode only would probably be fine
  • [15:41:45] <ka6sox> games + Low Cost Embedded....Move along...nothing here to see.
  • [15:42:16] <ka6sox> is there a rewind button on IRC so you can take back a comment?
  • [15:42:22] <tsquar3d> ka6sox: So, what sort of applications do you have in mind?
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  • [15:43:09] <ka6sox> tsquar3d, for what? GSoC, General Embedded Computing, Hula Girls?
  • [15:43:15] <Turl> ka6sox: http://openjamma.org/faq/
  • [15:43:27] <tsquar3d> ka6sox: general embedded computing with the BBB.
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  • [15:43:53] <tsquar3d> soo.. not so general, I suppose.
  • [15:43:54] <tsquar3d> :-p
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  • [15:44:38] <ka6sox> working with FPGAs to create powerful co-processors, exploring how NOT to contort the Linux Kernel to attempt to do RT Poorly (by using co-processors for RT)...etc
  • [15:44:43] <Fusty> double the onboard flash and double the memory
  • [15:45:26] <ka6sox> like using the PRU on the Bone to do the RT bits.
  • [15:45:47] <ka6sox> there has been little exploration into what its capable of...
  • [15:46:02] <Turl> Fusty: yeah, it's not a beagle
  • [15:46:08] <ka6sox> and even less work on creating standard methods for using it.
  • [15:46:21] <Fusty> yup, some of the language makes it sound like it's prospective, is it out yet?
  • [15:46:26] <Fusty> the jamma
  • [15:47:07] <tsquar3d> I see.
  • [15:47:15] <ka6sox> specifically for GSoC I'm interested in working with the PRUs and Co-Processors with the Bone.
  • [15:47:15] <Turl> Fusty: no idea, I can ask the guy if you want though
  • [15:47:22] <Turl> they list distributors so it might be
  • [15:47:35] <Fusty> I'm not that interested actually, thanks though
  • [15:47:36] <tsquar3d> Hmm... it doesn't seem like there's much interest on the scientific computing side -- which is a shame. :-/
  • [15:47:59] <panto> tsquar3d, instant gratification much?
  • [15:48:07] <panto> most of the mentors are busy with many things
  • [15:48:22] <Turl> Fusty: the SoC itself is a sunxi, A10 iirc
  • [15:49:06] <ka6sox> tsquar3d, I've been doing scientific computing for 35yrs...
  • [15:49:20] <av500> ha, that TI post just turned sour
  • [15:49:45] <tsquar3d> panto: Oh, I appreciate that, don't get me wrong! I am just looking through the ideas list and I am suprised that there isn't any sort of scientific computing applications proposed.
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  • [15:49:56] <tsquar3d> ka6sox: Oh? What sort?
  • [15:50:10] <ka6sox> large scale simulations.
  • [15:50:26] <tsquar3d> ka6sox: Ah.. not the sort of thing you'd use a BB for.
  • [15:50:38] <panto> you would, if you're insane
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  • [15:50:54] <tsquar3d> ka6sox: I worked with the ACCRE supercomputing cluster for a summer running n-body sims.
  • [15:50:57] <malcom2073> Well there is a pi supercomputer, why not a BBBlack one? It wouldn't cost much more
  • [15:51:10] <ka6sox> when I started we used a Cray/IBM Mainframe/Vax 3D Graphics Co-Processor
  • [15:51:24] <ka6sox> fit in a Gym
  • [15:52:11] <ka6sox> malcom2073, if you come up with a GSoC proposal to measure acutal work output of a BBB Super Computer that might be good :)
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  • [15:52:36] <malcom2073> Heh, don't have that kind of time :)
  • [15:52:50] <malcom2073> wish I had that kind of money though
  • [15:52:53] <ka6sox> :(
  • [15:53:00] <av500> maybe Jessica hates me now
  • [15:53:27] <alan_o> I love the smell of laser printer in the morning. Smells like.... documents
  • [15:53:46] <ka6sox> PC Load Letter
  • [15:54:09] <panto> hi alan_o
  • [15:54:26] <ka6sox> tsquar3d, see, the Bone is a bit shy of that class of machine.
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  • [15:54:57] <tsquar3d> ka6sox: Are you sure? :-p
  • [15:55:08] <ka6sox> *all* my scientific computing is done in Fortran.
  • [15:55:16] <panto> OTOH, if you want to prototype some kind of weird and wonderful super computer I/O fabric the bone might be just the ticket
  • [15:55:35] <tsquar3d> ka6sox: Yeah, that's what the n-body sim was done in. :-p
  • [15:55:37] <panto> since you don't care about the work done, only the interconnect
  • [15:55:39] <ka6sox> panto, I have an idea I'd like ot try...
  • [15:55:47] <ka6sox> a wierd one
  • [15:55:47] <panto> I do too :)
  • [15:55:51] <malcom2073> Man, use the I/O as a memory bus heh
  • [15:56:00] <malcom2073> Wonder if it could be faster than networking them together
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  • [15:57:22] <alan_o> hi panto
  • [15:57:25] <tsquar3d> Does bonescript have a sci library?
  • [15:57:28] <galactic_> hmm
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  • [15:58:10] <galactic_> j
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  • [16:05:22] <ka6sox> bradfa, anything I should look @ specificially at melange?
  • [16:05:46] <jj2baile> Hm, that TI google+ post seems like it might be blowing up. Although slowly
  • [16:06:27] <tsquar3d> People seem to be jilted about the notion that companies are getting students to do work for them for less than they should be payed jj2baile
  • [16:06:47] <av500> omg, it atracted the crazies
  • [16:06:51] <av500> what have I done
  • [16:07:12] <crashovrd> i am going to win GSoC!
  • [16:07:26] <tsquar3d> crashovrd: And you will be an hero!
  • [16:07:51] <av500> the winner gets to fly to the moon
  • [16:08:22] * crashovrd starts working out an coding in a montage
  • [16:10:57] <ka6sox> av500, 1 way or RT?
  • [16:11:32] <Fusty> are we landing or just a flyby?
  • [16:11:37] <Fusty> I'd jump at either though
  • [16:11:50] <Russ> air included?
  • [16:11:58] <ka6sox> too expensive...I'd rather go to the L2 point.
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  • [16:13:10] <Fusty> if you can get to l2 you can get to the mun though
  • [16:13:12] <Fusty> moon
  • [16:13:20] <Fusty> oops, displaying i'm a Kerbal Space Program player
  • [16:13:40] <Fusty> or do you mean earth-sol L2
  • [16:13:52] <ka6sox> the cost to land/takeoff is horrific.
  • [16:14:13] <ka6sox> just send a BBB on a rover.
  • [16:14:17] <ka6sox> and run it from L2
  • [16:14:56] <tsquar3d> ON a rover? How about making it a rover?
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  • [16:15:15] <ka6sox> tsquar3d, no arms or legs
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  • [16:15:35] <tsquar3d> ka6sox: We can build a chasis for that.
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  • [16:16:09] <ka6sox> I can see it now..Tantalum Gluing Parties again :P
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  • [16:16:30] <tsquar3d> I am going to build a BBB robot and name it "spot".
  • [16:16:53] <ka6sox> tsquar3d, very original name :P
  • [16:16:58] <panto> as long as you train him not to pee on the carpet, it's all good
  • [16:17:08] <tsquar3d> And I'll write a library to control it in bonescript. :-)
  • [16:17:18] * av500 needs to revive the beagle pack idea
  • [16:18:02] <av500> http://beagleboard.org/project/BeaglePack/
  • [16:18:26] <fee> hi at all! I'm cross-compiling my "hello_world" application to participate to GSoC. I would like to know if macro __DATE__ is defined in Beagleboard Toolchain's and, if not, what macro could be use for printing date. Thanks
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  • [16:18:41] <tsquar3d> av500: Ha! That sounds fun!
  • [16:18:59] <ka6sox> uh oh...
  • [16:18:59] <av500> fee: does it compile with __DATE__?
  • [16:19:25] <tsquar3d> av500: But it needs to play "Tears of Steel" now, not "Big Buck Bunny"
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  • [16:19:37] <av500> ok
  • [16:19:57] <av500> fee: also, you could native compile the code and see
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  • [16:21:01] <fee> av500: yes, but in this moment i don't have a beagleboard for simulating the code. So, i'm not sure if it's work or not
  • [16:21:21] <alan_o> #define __DATE__ "Mon Apr 29, 2013"
  • [16:21:29] <Turl> fee: you can use qemu
  • [16:21:46] <Turl> qemu-system-arm ./yourprogram
  • [16:22:26] <ka6sox> we have been amazingly On Topic today...
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  • [16:23:42] <tsquar3d_> Hmm.. actually... would a robotics library for bonescript be of interest -- like nxt code?
  • [16:23:48] <panto> this can't last
  • [16:24:10] <Turl> ka6sox: there's space for more on topic chat today still
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  • [16:25:45] <tsquar3d_> You could totally replace the mindstorm nxt with a beaglebone. :-p
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  • [16:26:12] <av500> the next next is almost a bone
  • [16:26:16] <av500> at least a TI CPU
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  • [16:26:21] <ka6sox> tsquar3d, someone used a Beagle with a NXT.
  • [16:26:24] <ka6sox> whoops
  • [16:26:35] <tsquar3d_> ka6sox: Really? Cool.
  • [16:27:15] <ka6sox> for controlling a robot...FROM space...
  • [16:27:24] <tsquar3d_> Oh.. cool.. there is actually a cape for it!
  • [16:27:25] <tsquar3d_> :-)
  • [16:27:34] <tsquar3d_> http://elinux.org/CircuitCo/BeagleBone_Motor_w/_NXT_Connectors
  • [16:27:35] <ka6sox> the robot was in Europe and the controller was on ISS
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  • [16:28:56] <tsquar3d_> So is there a bonescript library to control it or did they just use nxc...? hmm...
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  • [16:32:53] <tsquar3d_> It doesn't seem that there is a bonescript library for it... hmm... :-)
  • [16:33:08] <av500> maybe a nondescript library?
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  • [16:34:27] <tsquar3d_> av500: harsh.
  • [16:36:13] <tsquar3d_> I dunno.. there could be a lot of interest in that sort of thing... especially from schools. :-p
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  • [16:40:57] <bradfa> ka6sox, not that I know of on melange right now, it's about the hardest to use website in existance
  • [16:41:40] <ka6sox> yup
  • [16:42:00] <av500> yes
  • [16:42:23] <ka6sox> which is why I was hoping to review them before submission on the ML.
  • [16:42:32] <av500> but given the small size of Google, we should be thankful
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  • [16:43:34] <DJW|Home> av500: yep, and it has improved SO MUCH in recent years ;). So easy to tie things up and keep tabs ;).
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  • [16:44:14] <ka6sox> DJWillis, do I detect Sarcasm?
  • [16:44:26] <DJWillis> ka6sox: me? never ;)
  • [16:44:51] <bradfa> jkridner|work, am I a mentor on melange?
  • [16:45:49] <ka6sox> jkridner|work, same question ^^
  • [16:46:33] <ka6sox> what I want to know is if they got a Hand Model or did Jessica "Pose" for the BBB pic.
  • [16:48:06] <bradfa> ka6sox, that's jkridner|work's hand :)
  • [16:48:22] <av500> foot!
  • [16:48:30] <Spirilis> woot, just did opkg update followed by opkg upgrade on mine .... ended up unbootable b/c kernel-image-3.8.8 refused to overwrite kernel-image-3.8.6's crap, I think, but I figured it out.
  • [16:48:41] <Spirilis> that uBoot CLI is a godsend
  • [16:48:56] <av500> wait till you see the u-boot GUI
  • [16:49:06] <bradfa> av500, but not in 1080p!
  • [16:49:11] <av500> darn
  • [16:49:20] * av500 is returning it
  • [16:49:37] <bradfa> Pi as u-boot console remote gui?
  • [16:49:53] <ka6sox> bradfa, good use for Pi
  • [16:50:44] <Turl> won't work on LG tv's though
  • [16:50:50] <bradfa> ka6sox, gsoc project!
  • [16:54:12] <ka6sox> Turl, how do you know that?
  • [16:55:00] <ka6sox> bradfa, that would get the Pi folks rather tweaked I suspect.
  • [16:55:12] <Turl> ka6sox: I dunno, someone here said that pi's and LG tv's didn't get along well
  • [16:55:17] <bradfa> what, support a gsoc project?
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  • [16:55:29] <ka6sox> unless we decide to use the Pi as the "display" processor.
  • [16:55:45] <panto> yeah, and communicate over usb
  • [16:55:45] <bradfa> eh, use Pi as fiberglass shavings...
  • [16:56:03] <ka6sox> panto, +1
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  • [16:58:59] <ka6sox> back for round 2
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  • [17:02:37] <Turl> jkridner|work: ping
  • [17:02:46] <jkridner|work> ?
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  • [17:03:14] <Turl> jkridner|work: hi
  • [17:03:20] <av500> jkridner|work: thou are asked for in -gsoc
  • [17:03:34] <Turl> av500: yeah, it's me :)
  • [17:04:06] <xenoxaos> jkridner|work: I'm just mentioning your name to make a flash/ping on your end. :P
  • [17:04:59] <ka6sox> Turl, you got him...strike while the Iron's Hot!
  • [17:05:42] <Turl> jkridner|work: I wanted to ask you about the kernel upstreaming project
  • [17:06:59] <Turl> jkridner|work: I got some feedback from koen that the 'upstream all the things!' view was too broad, which I kind of agree
  • [17:07:35] <Turl> jkridner|work: he proposed specializing on parts, suggesting IIO and PWM
  • [17:07:37] <av500> 'upstream some of the things!'
  • [17:08:09] <Turl> av500: well yeah :) upstreaming 500+ patches on a cycle would be quite an achievement
  • [17:08:57] <Turl> jkridner|work: another guy took the IIO idea, and someone upstream is already working on the PWM part
  • [17:09:37] <ka6sox> 500 in a cycle might give RMK a heart attack...
  • [17:09:42] <ka6sox> (in 1 shot)
  • [17:10:23] <ka6sox> to quote a Famous Beagle Guy: <av500> 'upstream some of the things!'
  • [17:10:59] <Turl> jkridner|work: do you have any other idea to narrow the scope?
  • [17:11:05] <av500> I dont like the "upstreaming" too much
  • [17:11:10] <av500> how much code does that create?
  • [17:11:29] <Turl> av500: it depends on how much maintainers complain :)
  • [17:11:37] <av500> REWRITE!
  • [17:12:01] <ka6sox> bbl...work thing calls :(
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  • [17:12:22] <anujdeshpande> mranostay, I wan't aware you guys are getting updates . I am stilling filling out the details actually. And most of the functions that people are used to are already there in Bonescript, Energia and PyBBIO. I plan on using their codes for the examples and as a rough guide on how to implement.
  • [17:13:56] <cmicali> turl/jkrinder: 1 vote for upstreaming PRU infrastructure :)
  • [17:14:21] <jkridner|work> having more than one person submit a proposal around the same idea isn't necessarily a bad thing.
  • [17:14:45] <jkridner|work> I don't know what the rules are for submitting multiple proposals.
  • [17:15:06] <SwK> so I'm looking for a doc on reloading the built in nand on my beaglebone black, cant someone point me in the right direction?
  • [17:15:30] <jkridner|work> I think the stuff on panto's not-capebus branch are among the most critical to upstream first.
  • [17:16:05] <jkridner|work> SwK: http://beagleboard.org/Getting+Started/#update
  • [17:16:46] <panto> upstreaming is not throwing patches over the fence and getting them in the mainline
  • [17:17:01] <av500> its also about despair
  • [17:17:05] <panto> there's haggling, nagging, cajoling, threatening, etc..
  • [17:17:15] <Turl> jkridner|work: I believe you can submit as many proposals as you'd like
  • [17:17:18] <av500> and ultimatively rejection
  • [17:17:18] <prpplague> jkridner|work: might want to tweak the GSoC entry for the energia stuff
  • [17:17:23] <panto> if you've ever been in a eastern-ish carpet market, that's the model
  • [17:17:36] <jkridner|work> prpplague: do you have specific suggestions?
  • [17:17:38] <prpplague> jkridner|work: as what you have is somewhat inaccurate as a description
  • [17:17:48] <av500> panto: a GSoc student might not be in a position to threaten
  • [17:17:58] <panto> so that's a minus
  • [17:18:13] <prpplague> jkridner|work: "create linux userspace libraries for use with wiring/process environment using the arduino IDE"
  • [17:18:33] <panto> ugh, and I saw something about a guy wanting to do 'software SPI'
  • [17:18:48] <av500> bitbangering
  • [17:18:57] <panto> in javascript
  • [17:19:07] <av500> oh
  • [17:19:08] * prpplague feels sick
  • [17:19:16] <prpplague> panto: that is disgusting
  • [17:19:17] <SwK> jkridner|work: thanks! thats exactly what I have been looking for
  • [17:19:36] <panto> prpplague, those guys coming over arduino-land think it's normal
  • [17:20:14] <av500> what about "SPI as a service"
  • [17:20:18] <av500> SPAAS
  • [17:21:37] <panto> pronounced as spaz
  • [17:22:24] <jkridner|work> prpplague: edits welcome. I've changed the title to match you suggestion.
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  • [17:22:34] <prpplague> jkridner|work: ok thanks
  • [17:22:45] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i am still listed as a possible mentor
  • [17:22:54] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i can't do an official position on that
  • [17:22:56] <prpplague> jkridner:
  • [17:23:24] <prpplague> jkridner|work: but i'll be happy to advise as time permits
  • [17:23:29] <jkridner|work> k---no way anyone will talk you into it? seems like it would save you some work of doing it on your own.
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  • [17:24:02] <hatguy_> jkrinder|work: i'm trying my best :)
  • [17:24:20] <Turl> jkridner|work: where's this not-capebus branch?
  • [17:24:25] <hatguy_> jkridner|work: i'm trying my best :)
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  • [17:24:28] <prpplague> jkridner|work: see /msg
  • [17:24:56] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i'll be working on a timeline/schedule for work on energia with userspace linux this week
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  • [17:25:32] <Turl> panto: I've submitted stuff on the past :)
  • [17:26:07] <panto> Turl, if you're the guy with the software SPI, we'll have to re-educate you first
  • [17:26:18] <panto> it won't hurt (a lot)
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  • [17:27:14] <Turl> panto: no, not at all
  • [17:27:19] <Turl> I've never used SPI
  • [17:27:36] <panto> good, so when you do, remember to say no to S/W SPI
  • [17:27:53] <panto> it's only fit for the dregs, the punks, the RPi users
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  • [17:32:14] <alan_o> panto: bitbang?
  • [17:32:43] <panto> noooooo
  • [17:33:08] <Turl> panto: any specific part you'd like to see mainlined? https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8/patches
  • [17:33:19] <Turl> any feature missing?
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  • [17:34:41] <panto> Turl, it's hard to tell right now
  • [17:34:53] <panto> we know that we need to coordinate with TI's mainline effort
  • [17:35:09] <panto> a lot of patches need cleaning up
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  • [17:41:01] <Turl> panto: gsoc deadline is in 4 days though :(
  • [17:41:41] <panto> the pressure...
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  • [17:44:28] <Turl> yeah
  • [17:44:46] <panto> ok, I promise I'll do it in the next couple of days
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  • [17:46:07] <ka6sox> does melange send you an email if you are accepted?
  • [17:46:34] <ka6sox> (or even a rejection letter)
  • [17:49:05] <Turl> panto: thanks :)
  • [17:49:55] * ka6sox pokes jkridner|work
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  • [17:52:22] <headless> felipebalbi: ping
  • [17:54:03] <mranostay> panto: hey i resent that
  • [17:54:21] <panto> you have to be more specific
  • [17:54:27] <panto> we know you resent pretty much everything
  • [17:54:32] <mranostay> i do?
  • [17:54:46] <ka6sox> he re-sent or hate...which is it.
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  • [17:58:03] <headless> panto: felipebalbi talked here recently
  • [17:58:06] <headless> ?
  • [17:58:21] <panto> it was much earlier I think
  • [17:58:28] <headless> I can't reach him over IRC for a good week now
  • [17:58:50] <anujdeshpande> mranostay, did you check my reply ??
  • [17:59:43] <panto> he's online early in (his) day
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  • [18:01:39] <jkridner|work> ka6sox: ?
  • [18:02:19] <anujdeshpande> ka6sox, Melange sends a mail indicating if have been accepted/rejected
  • [18:02:35] <jkridner|work> I one pending request for mentorship from raul b l fonseca
  • [18:02:48] <jkridner|work> I don't have one from ka6sox
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  • [18:04:38] <ka6sox> I applied!
  • [18:05:08] <jkridner|work> melange tells me otherwise.
  • [18:05:23] <jkridner|work> perhaps you applied to be a mentor, but not specifically for beagleboard.org.
  • [18:05:38] <av500> generic mentor
  • [18:06:28] <ka6sox> jkridner|work, now?
  • [18:07:06] <ka6sox> I see it now...pending
  • [18:07:52] <jkridner|work> good job. done. tell the world how you did it.
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  • [18:08:23] <ka6sox> I pushed the red button
  • [18:09:16] <ka6sox> bbiaw...work calls :(
  • [18:09:24] * ka6sox is now known as ka6sox-farfarawa
  • [18:09:44] <ka6sox-farfarawa> all the rest of the mentors...sign up please!
  • [18:09:45] <headless> panto: /who is shows he's only hour and a half idle
  • [18:09:54] <headless> I meant /whois
  • [18:10:47] <panto> Apr 29 18:14:19 <felipebalbi> bradfa: np
  • [18:10:59] <headless> too bad I ususally don't run IRC at day time
  • [18:11:05] <panto> last message from him, about 3 hours earlier
  • [18:11:24] <ds2> Hmmm
  • [18:11:59] <headless> for some reason /whois didn't show his idle time until I joined this channel...
  • [18:12:13] * headless curses feenode
  • [18:12:37] <mranostay> headless: aren't you a PPC guy? :)
  • [18:12:53] <panto> there are no ppc guys left outside of ibm anymore
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  • [18:14:09] <ds2> headless: yes, thought you were a PPC guy?
  • [18:14:37] <headless> mranostay: not anymore since 2007 I think. knee deep in ARM since 2008
  • [18:14:44] * mranostay LinkedIn stalks headless
  • [18:15:13] <ds2> hmm
  • [18:15:33] * xenoxaos spends way too much time in arm
  • [18:16:01] <headless> ds2: do I know you?
  • [18:16:59] <ds2> headless: maybe
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  • [18:19:29] <Fusty> elbow deep in arm?
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  • [18:19:56] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: r u there? would you please kindly review my proposal at https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/hustcalm/1 and have a discussion about it?
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  • [18:20:40] <hustcalm> or some mentors can have a review and leave some comments, I need some feedback. The mailing lists got no reply
  • [18:21:06] <jkridner|work> hustcalm: k. trying to get through all of them today. Got through some on Saturday, but still looking for a chance to get back to it.
  • [18:21:27] <ds2> *choke* *gag* *choke*
  • [18:22:43] * mranostay wacks ds2 on the back
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  • [18:23:08] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: appreciate your work. Looking forward a discussion or something. cause I want to make the goals more concrete, as to make the proposal more convinced
  • [18:23:14] <mranostay> headless: have we met IRL before?
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  • [18:23:39] <av500> mranostay: one would think you would remember meeting a guy without a head....
  • [18:24:02] <headless> mranostay: no we haven't
  • [18:24:22] <mranostay> av500: it is SF nothing shocks or suprises me :P
  • [18:24:30] * headless doesn't rule out that possibility with his new work
  • [18:24:30] <av500> right
  • [18:25:10] <mranostay> well yes seeing who you work for it is likely :)
  • [18:25:18] <ds2> headless: now I remember... we spoke befre but I always get you confused with someone else on the team with the same first name
  • [18:25:38] <mranostay> ds2: is that person headless as well?
  • [18:25:38] <headless> I'm not decided yet about which conf I'll visit, LinuxCon USA or Europe (w/ELCE)
  • [18:25:51] <ds2> no
  • [18:26:11] <ds2> unless headless was in the CA around april of '08
  • [18:26:13] <mranostay> ok someone needs to help me make my proposals to both more swimmingly :P
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  • [18:28:03] <mranostay> most dead channel ever
  • [18:29:20] <headless> ds2: no, I wasn't in USA ever. altho, I was going to be set there about August '08
  • [18:29:31] <headless> the embassy delayed my visa
  • [18:29:47] <headless> and it would have been Houston anyway
  • [18:30:14] <headless> or Dallas? I don't remember well
  • [18:30:34] <headless> I was wanted by TI for board bringup
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  • [18:32:34] <jkridner|work> hustcalm: I'm still here, but I don't have time for a private discussion...
  • [18:32:52] <jkridner|work> if you want to simply *ask* something in a one-liner, you might get a useful response from me.
  • [18:33:42] * bradfa attempts to figure out how to become beagle gsoc mentor...
  • [18:33:52] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: ok. To make the goals of "Bonescript web pages with live-running examples and documentation" more concrete, I want to talk something about the demos
  • [18:33:55] <jkridner|work> bradfa: you have an account on melange, right?
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  • [18:33:59] <bradfa> yes
  • [18:34:10] <jkridner|work> you need to specifically select to request to be a beagle mentor.
  • [18:34:17] <bradfa> ah, I have to "start a connection"
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  • [18:34:28] <bradfa> ok, google, wtf who's in charge of the grammar over there?
  • [18:35:13] <bradfa> jkridner|work, ok, now it says "Org action required"
  • [18:35:50] <jkridner|work> hustcalm: please rephrase into the form of a question.
  • [18:36:31] <jkridner|work> bradfa: that did it. should tell folks on the mailing list you have to "start a connection" to beagle.
  • [18:36:52] <bradfa> jkridner|work, can you rephrase that into a question? :)
  • [18:37:06] <bradfa> thanks! :)
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  • [18:37:13] <jkridner|work> nope. :-)
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  • [18:37:47] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: I plan to create some basic demos, like playing with GPIO, I2C, SPI , PWM,etc. and also with some big ones, like to make the weather station better. Can you give some examples to what to expected?
  • [18:37:50] <bradfa> ok, now i see things!
  • [18:37:53] <bradfa> hurray!
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  • [18:39:07] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: I started to host a repository with tutorials and demos about beaglebone, now the demos are being expected as soon as I got a beagle:-)
  • [18:39:25] <jkridner|work> hustcalm: there are many great devices from sparkfun and adafruit that'd be very informative to hook up. Many already have some examples (bonescript and otherwise) at http://elinux.org/Category:ECE497
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  • [18:41:13] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: got it. Actually, I was at Rose-Hulman at 2011 summer:-)
  • [18:41:45] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: I will make a plan according to this and make my proposal more concrete and hopefully we will discuss later.
  • [18:41:46] <jkridner|work> the bonescript pages should all run live with some basic console prints and then some with a bit more live interaction to give people an idea what the sensor is doing.
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  • [18:42:23] <jkridner|work> each demo should seek to show how the sensor/actuator could be used in real life or show some basic syntax for use of the bonescript functions.
  • [18:42:31] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: got that.I plan to make this as a single wonderful page with all live demos:-)
  • [18:42:54] <robtow> Digikey shipped my BeagleBone Black.... but by surface UPS. It's in Lenexa, Kansas right now. Thursday delivery is to be expected.
  • [18:43:04] <jkridner|work> well, it should be several individual pages, similar to what is in http://github.com/jadonk/bone101 now.
  • [18:43:15] <jkridner|work> with lots of interconnected references.
  • [18:43:18] <hustcalm> ok. Some thoughts come to my mind now
  • [18:43:34] <jkridner|work> have you seen the video of the current live tutorials?
  • [18:43:58] <ds2> where is this connect with us link?
  • [18:44:02] * jkridner|work ordered from several distributors to test things.... already got boards from element14, mouser and digi-key.
  • [18:44:14] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: I saw the presentations at elinux.org, not the video yet
  • [18:44:26] <Spirilis> yeah I got my boards from newark/element14
  • [18:44:34] <ds2> bradfa: where is the link?
  • [18:44:45] <tsquar3d_> jkridner|work: What do you think about a data collection / analysis module built from bbb?
  • [18:44:47] * bradfa looks
  • [18:45:21] <bradfa> https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/beagle and then "start a connection"
  • [18:46:03] <bradfa> ds2, ^^^^
  • [18:46:11] <ds2> let me try that route
  • [18:46:21] <bradfa> worst website, evar
  • [18:46:31] <bradfa> but they pay people, so we forgive
  • [18:46:57] <ds2> got it...
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  • [18:47:04] <ds2> I was trying to find it from my end
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  • [18:47:17] <ds2> figure i can search and connect that way but guess not
  • [18:47:47] <Scott_> hiya
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  • [18:48:37] <jkridner|work> hustcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciX08ysl6LE has a really quick view at the end.
  • [18:48:53] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: I got a somehow clear view now. BTW,at the proposal "You and the community" sectionm needs answers from mentor and member. Should I just post to the beagle-gsoc mailing list?
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  • [18:49:13] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: thx for the link, I will have a quick view now.
  • [18:49:29] <jkridner|work> hustcalm: you should, but you should also come here and #beagle-gsoc to prod me and other potential mentors.
  • [18:49:51] * jkridner|work needs to make some kind of video showing how the bonescript tutorial works.
  • [18:50:08] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: thx, got what to do now:-)
  • [18:50:10] <ds2> hahahahahaa
  • [18:50:26] <ds2> does it begin with a 10second show showing a skull and cross bones first? ;)
  • [18:50:54] <hustcalm> oh, GFW never lets me to access youtube...
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  • [18:58:34] <av500> jkridner|work: got a minute?
  • [18:58:48] <jkridner|work> av500: got a question? :-)
  • [18:58:59] <av500> jkridner|work: the android based boot
  • [18:59:10] <av500> I changed it a bit to use ADK and not libusb/host
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  • [18:59:22] <av500> or do you insist on host mode and low level boot?
  • [18:59:38] <ds2> host mode/LL boot would be more generic
  • [18:59:43] <av500> yes and no
  • [18:59:51] <av500> since not all android devives support it
  • [18:59:55] <av500> devices
  • [19:00:09] <ds2> I was thinking of code leverage beyond android
  • [19:00:19] <av500> well, usbboot
  • [19:00:35] <av500> ds2: that is one direction
  • [19:00:37] <ka6sox-farfarawa> jkridner|work, now I know what you mean by "tell the world"
  • [19:00:38] <ds2> as in the PUSB stuff or?
  • [19:00:42] <av500> yeah
  • [19:00:50] <av500> stuff like we that
  • [19:00:55] <ds2> yes, that's what I was talk to the applicant about
  • [19:01:34] <jkridner|work> I don't understand how it would start with ADK.
  • [19:01:53] <jkridner|work> what you boot doesn't matter too much to me.
  • [19:01:55] <av500> jkridner|work: with ADK, one does need something on sdcard
  • [19:02:02] <av500> to boot from
  • [19:02:12] <jkridner|work> that kinda takes the point away for me a bit.
  • [19:02:13] <av500> then uboot or kernel are ADK host towards the phone
  • [19:02:17] <av500> yeah
  • [19:02:19] <jkridner|work> still could be interesting.
  • [19:02:22] <av500> but it would work on more android
  • [19:02:25] <av500> devices
  • [19:02:40] <av500> then we expanded it into using the android as a remote screen
  • [19:02:51] <av500> ala displaylink over USB
  • [19:03:05] <jkridner|work> so, you'd start with ADK on the Bone, then boot Linux?
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  • [19:03:21] <av500> jkridner|work: for ADK, we need to boot locally forst
  • [19:03:30] <av500> then we can chain load a kernel via USB
  • [19:03:38] <av500> same as if we boot directly off USB
  • [19:03:47] <av500> so, it would not be a "repair" tool
  • [19:03:57] <av500> more like a, "get a new SW" tool
  • [19:05:05] <av500> jkridner|work: so the question is, to go more into the actual "booting" or more into "talk to android devices"
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  • [19:05:18] <av500> jkridner|work: ADK could be nice for all sorts of things
  • [19:05:26] <jkridner|work> for those android phones that *could* perform libusb-based boot, I'd really like to see them do the bootstrap loading of the ADK itself...
  • [19:05:38] <av500> right
  • [19:05:45] <av500> that would be nice too
  • [19:05:46] <jkridner|work> but, I do see it is a more complex scenario not as useful in as many situations.
  • [19:06:26] <jkridner|work> starting with the ADK-->Linux boot path makes sense to me... do the easy stuff that is widely usable first.
  • [19:06:31] <av500> ok
  • [19:07:18] <jkridner|work> is there any way we can simplify getting that ADK code loaded?
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  • [19:07:46] <jkridner|work> also, is there any low-hanging fruit once we do establish that connection?
  • [19:08:18] <av500> well, once we have a connection, we can do the same as if we booted off usb
  • [19:08:21] <av500> pass a kernel
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  • [19:08:26] <av500> copy initrams or fs
  • [19:08:52] <ds2> av500: you sure you want to deal with MUSB host mode? :D
  • [19:09:08] <av500> is it worse then device?
  • [19:09:14] <av500> we used both modes in the past
  • [19:09:18] <av500> on O3/O4
  • [19:09:43] <ds2> device has to kind seems more stable actually
  • [19:09:53] <av500> jkridner|work: http://usbhost.chainfire.eu/
  • [19:09:58] <ds2> but getting USB tamed could be a project by itself
  • [19:10:00] <av500> for usb host, see this charet
  • [19:10:03] <av500> chart
  • [19:10:47] <ds2> take that back... USB client is tested at the factory :D
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  • [19:11:50] <av500> ds2: i'd wager that getting host to support a single device is doable
  • [19:12:22] <av500> ds2: actually, adding some old androuid phone as a 3g modem to a bone might be useful
  • [19:12:42] <ds2> agree
  • [19:13:59] <tsquar3d_> Does any mentor here like gnuplot, R, scilab, blender, octave, or the like?
  • [19:14:53] <av500> ds2: seems like ADK is api level 10 and up
  • [19:14:56] <av500> so 2.3.4
  • [19:15:06] <av500> hence gingerbread phones should be OK
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  • [19:15:56] <av500> http://developer.android.com/about/versions/android-2.3.4.html
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  • [19:17:32] <av500> vvu|Mobile: did you follow the above discussion?
  • [19:17:40] <vvu|Mobile> av500: yes
  • [19:18:10] <av500> good
  • [19:18:40] <vvu|Mobile> av500: now i need to refactor a bit my proposal
  • [19:19:18] <vvu|Mobile> av500: for the mentor comment, should i just include the above discussion ? or you can write a paragraph about that?
  • [19:20:33] <av500> i'll write something
  • [19:20:41] <vvu|Mobile> av500: thank you!
  • [19:21:11] <av500> but tomorrow :)
  • [19:21:59] <vvu|Mobile> av500: no problem. i will refactor my proposal a bit 2night and will upload it to gsoc website. thx for the help!
  • [19:22:06] <av500> np
  • [19:22:14] <av500> that's the idea about gsoc
  • [19:23:39] <vvu|Mobile> av500: i ordered myself a black from conrad, any idea what is the delivery time?
  • [19:23:48] <av500> no
  • [19:24:02] <av500> digikey already delivered in germany
  • [19:24:35] <vvu|Mobile> yes...but i needed a store where i could pay with paypal. i had some problems with my card
  • [19:24:46] <ds2> I wonder if any BBB's got washed away in the storms
  • [19:25:17] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so what was the rational for getting rid of debugfs in kernel 3.8?
  • [19:25:45] <ds2> it is useful, hence it must go.
  • [19:26:23] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> debugfs is for debug and getting things going...something like device tree is not.
  • [19:26:40] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> I think 99% of beaglebone users will, at first, be doing debug, not shipping capes! :P
  • [19:27:13] <panto> who said that debug fs is out?
  • [19:27:26] <panto> it's the omap specific debug fs entries that's out
  • [19:27:29] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> well, not accissible as was.
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  • [19:28:18] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> *accessible
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  • [19:30:40] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pant: so is it still possible to do mux with an echo?
  • [19:34:16] <panto> no
  • [19:34:16] <Spirilis> heh I'm just to the point of asking this now ... how is mux'ing done in the 3.8 kernel? lol
  • [19:34:34] <panto> you can do something similar with a pinmux helper driver
  • [19:34:49] <panto> where you can switch pinmux states at runtime
  • [19:35:18] <panto> but you shouldn't do that really, have your driver request the pinmux configuration at probe time
  • [19:35:27] <panto> it's 3 lines of code in the driver
  • [19:35:33] <panto> and 2 lines of dt entries
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  • [19:41:42] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> panto: you assume a driver exists, and there's not debugging/bringup being done.
  • [19:41:59] <panto> in that case devmem2 still works
  • [19:42:21] <panto> don't expect this to be anything other that a hack though
  • [19:42:57] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> true, but i think it will really frustrate beginners that don't necessarily want to poke memory.
  • [19:43:09] <panto> but really, writing a stupid 50 line throwaway kernel driver with a sysfs interface is no big deal
  • [19:43:28] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> I agree, but for a demo image, i think it's absurd to not have a simple pin mux mechanism for the beginner to fire up and start playing with.
  • [19:43:29] <panto> they can do things properly then from the start
  • [19:43:29] <cmicali> not a big deal but not within reach of beginners
  • [19:43:39] <panto> we have that already
  • [19:43:59] <panto> see what jkridner does for his nodejs stuff
  • [19:44:48] <panto> write a pinmux helper dts, put as many pinmux states you like there
  • [19:45:05] <panto> then switch between them via echo input >pinmux_state
  • [19:45:11] <panto> echo output >pinmux_state
  • [19:45:12] <panto> etc.
  • [19:45:33] <panto> no driver needed in that case
  • [19:45:50] <panto> no kernel recompile either
  • [19:45:56] <panto> you can do it right on the board
  • [19:46:46] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i get that. i'm saying something easy should be included in the demo image.
  • [19:47:02] <panto> it's called bonescript
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  • [19:47:48] <panto> why encourage bad habits? people are not necessarily stupid
  • [19:48:24] <panto> show them how to write things the proper way for a linux board, not perpetuate the mistakes of arduino & rpi
  • [19:49:42] <panto> plus, they might learn the way things work on other boards as well, so no beaglebone lock-in
  • [19:49:51] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> for a *demo image* i think it's best to make the entry bar as low as possible, *especially* considering most of the people buying something like to "step up" will almost definitely be more familiar with arduino and rpi.
  • [19:50:19] <panto> define demo image
  • [19:50:33] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> what you should do and what you can easily do in the first few minutes on a demo are totally separate cases.
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  • [19:50:35] <panto> the point of the bone is for all the capes to works out of the box
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  • [19:51:14] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> panto: what comes with the boar, http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
  • [19:51:53] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and what do capes working out of the box have to do with making pin muxing not require using nodejs?
  • [19:51:54] <panto> I like mine medium rare
  • [19:52:04] <panto> it has everything to do with it
  • [19:52:30] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> no, it really doesn't.
  • [19:52:39] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> having a sysfs entry for pin muxing does not exclude device tree.
  • [19:52:50] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> in any way.
  • [19:53:07] <panto> it does circumvents the whole idea of the pinmux subsystem
  • [19:53:11] <panto> *circumvent
  • [19:53:28] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i guess you don't understand the definition of "debug"
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  • [19:53:29] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and the whole point of "debugfs"
  • [19:53:31] <av500> ds2: NAND!!!! http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003ZSLCCE
  • [19:53:35] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> or how it's used.
  • [19:53:43] <panto> I'm pretty sure I understand it
  • [19:53:58] <panto> debugfs is there for 'debugging'
  • [19:54:11] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> then you would understand that circumventing something made for capes has nothing to do with debugging and writing code that has nothing to do with capes.
  • [19:54:23] <panto> not to let any user just starting with embedded in general use it as a standard interface for normal stuff
  • [19:54:26] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> if you go poking pin muxes with a cape attached, then yeah...expect it to break.
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  • [19:55:08] <panto> so you expose an interface, which will get used since it's 'easier'
  • [19:55:22] <shodan45> I'm a bit confused on the black's release date... is it available to buy anywhere yet?
  • [19:55:28] <panto> said interface can seriously cause you to burn your board
  • [19:56:25] <panto> how do you get people to stop using the dangerous debug interface after you've told them to use it
  • [19:56:37] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i suppose i'll write up a "simplemux" kernel module that people can use, that limits muxing to the cape boards, with a disclaimer "don't mux pins with a cape attached"
  • [19:56:56] <panto> true, which is what pinmux helper does
  • [19:57:10] <panto> in a way that's not bone or capebus specific
  • [19:57:21] <panto> err, !capebus
  • [19:57:25] <robtow> shodan45 - Digikey has shipped one to me. It's currently in transit via UPS.
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  • [19:57:56] <panto> so our argument is about how easy the interface is to use
  • [19:58:43] <Scott_> hi
  • [19:58:46] <shodan45> robtow: cool, thanks :D
  • [19:59:52] <Scott_> Quick question. I just got a Baglebone black and it appears that OpenCV is pre-installed. However, import cv or import opencv doesn't work in Python. Am I missing something simple, or do I need to install the bindings manually?
  • [20:00:00] <robtow> sgodan45 As seen on TV - order yours now! Operators are standing by :-p
  • [20:00:27] <robtow> Scott_ Perhaps you should install SimpleCV?
  • [20:00:47] <woglinde> yeah opencv again
  • [20:01:01] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> panto: yeah. every message and youtube video i've seen about the 3.8/black seems to include "pinmuxing is stupid hard".
  • [20:01:21] <woglinde> scott which version of opencv angstroem has now?
  • [20:01:26] <panto> it's because it's a) a generic linux subsystem
  • [20:01:44] <Scott_> robtow: Maybe, but I was trying to use the "regular" Python bindings.
  • [20:01:46] <panto> and b) the omap pinmux driver is incomplete and doesn't hook into gpiolib
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  • [20:02:29] <panto> if the gpio + pinmux drivers coordinated you'd be able to do echo 33 > export and the gpio pin would pinmux according to input/output mode
  • [20:02:32] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i think the purpose of any demo image is to get the user/customer excited about the product. *easily* show what can be done, make the percieved level of entry seem "i can do that".
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  • [20:02:58] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i think the current demo image fails at that. that's all i'm saying.
  • [20:03:05] <panto> well, the kernel is not done yet
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  • [20:03:26] <panto> there were always not many TI resources on it
  • [20:03:28] <robtow> panto The kernel is NEVER "done".
  • [20:03:48] <panto> robtow, I was told that the 3.8 would be _done_ for TI SoCs :)
  • [20:03:53] <robtow> panto <cough> there are fewer TI resources these days.
  • [20:03:54] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> panto: kernel being done or not has nothing to do with removing pinmux sysfs or making it as accessible as it was.
  • [20:04:11] <robtow> <----- ex TI
  • [20:04:11] <panto> the old way was not going forward
  • [20:04:19] <panto> never was going to be accepted in the mainline
  • [20:04:20] <Scott_> I'm checking to see what version I have.
  • [20:04:27] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> demo...image...
  • [20:04:28] <panto> so you have to decide
  • [20:04:33] <panto> -ENOPEOPLE
  • [20:04:38] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> nodejs isn't going to be in mainline either
  • [20:04:56] <panto> no, but no-one is going to veto it
  • [20:04:57] <robtow> TI did stuff for Amazon without much attention for "mainline" acceptance. And now the guys are *gone*.
  • [20:05:20] <panto> robtow, not surprised
  • [20:05:27] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> lol, what i'm saying has absolutely nothing to do with kernel mainline.
  • [20:05:29] <panto> same thing with the goog
  • [20:05:41] <panto> it has to do with everything
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  • [20:06:07] <panto> you're in a position where there's no resources to babysit out of tree patches/drivers whatever
  • [20:06:17] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> kernel modules have nothing to do with mainline.
  • [20:06:25] <panto> they have everything to do with it
  • [20:06:32] <Scott_> still trying to log back on to the beaglebone to see what's installed....
  • [20:06:36] <panto> we don't plan to keep a beaglebone kernel tree
  • [20:06:46] <panto> the plan is for everything to be mainlined
  • [20:06:46] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> like you said, it would be very easy to write something up. my point has always been the *demo image* should include something easy to use.
  • [20:07:07] <panto> after you provide it, you're on the hook to support it
  • [20:07:09] <panto> for ever
  • [20:07:13] <woglinde> scott proably is easier to selfcompile the latest opencv
  • [20:07:17] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> next you're going to tell me the beaglebone presentation on the demo image is somehow related to mainline.
  • [20:07:28] <panto> no, it is not
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  • [20:07:55] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> *woosh*
  • [20:08:11] <panto> where do you draw the line?
  • [20:08:34] <av500> here: ----------------------------------------------
  • [20:08:37] <panto> where is the point where you say I have to support this piece of code that is not going to be accepted?
  • [20:08:39] <woglinde> hm
  • [20:08:42] <woglinde> http://opencv.org/opencv-computer-vision-with-python.html
  • [20:08:49] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm saying accepted has nothing to do with what i'm talking about.
  • [20:08:50] <Scott_> woglinde: Perhaps. Since I saw opencv in there, I figured they would have installed the python bindings too. I can do the compile, but figured I would try to get the pre-installed stuff working
  • [20:08:54] <panto> and how many resources are you going to commit on keeping something up to date
  • [20:09:01] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and, since you fail to get my point, i really don't know what else to say.
  • [20:09:15] <Scott_> is there a list somewhere of what is installed on the default beaglebone black image?
  • [20:09:15] <robtow> (Captain Picard) "The line must be drawn HERE!"
  • [20:09:57] <panto> PRU_EVTOUT_2, I did say that if/when the pinmux driver from TI is complete there wouldn't be a need for anything like either pinmux helper or any other driver
  • [20:10:16] <woglinde> scott: do opkg list
  • [20:10:27] <woglinde> hm or listinstalled or something
  • [20:10:33] <panto> because all we're talking about is pinmux for gpios
  • [20:11:03] <panto> I doubt loading uart drivers at runtime is a regular newbie task
  • [20:11:29] <Spirilis> so I am very glad I got to watch this discussion between panto and PRU_EVTOUT_2 .... In short, if I want to start playing with pinmuxing crap, I should really study this - https://github.com/jadonk/validation-scripts/tree/master/test-capemgr ?
  • [20:11:31] <robtow> <---is in touch with my inner newbie
  • [20:12:11] <Scott_> ok. Thanks. I'm not too familiar with angstrom and opkg. Too bad I can't log in now. ssh isn't working. Let me reboot everyting. Back in a few
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  • [20:13:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Spirilis: apparently, you should use nodejs
  • [20:13:27] <Spirilis> when it supports the pinmux stuff though, aye?
  • [20:13:39] <Spirilis> I noticed the bonescript docs make mention to it being "in development"
  • [20:13:44] <tsquar3d_> So, anyone in the UK know how to get a hold of one of these without paying double to have it shipped from amazon.com?
  • [20:14:02] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> I would honestly just devmem2 the mux registers.
  • [20:14:12] <Spirilis> at some point I would like to develop a cape that makes use of all available UARTs, so I'll have to ponder about this more particularly with loading the uart drivers
  • [20:14:26] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> that would be devicetree, for sure.
  • [20:14:36] <woglinde> hm angstroem is under heavy load or something
  • [20:14:41] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> http://hipstercircuits.com/adding-beaglebone-cape-support-to-a-kernel-with-device-tree-in-ubuntu/
  • [20:14:43] <woglinde> website
  • [20:14:59] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> great intro to device tree stuff for a cape.
  • [20:16:16] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> actually, if you just go to http://hipstercircuits.com/, his last few posts are related to new kernel.
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  • [20:17:35] <Spirilis> awesome
  • [20:17:37] <Spirilis> thanks for the link :)
  • [20:18:31] <xenoxaos> definitely something i'll spend some time with
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  • [20:25:39] <woglinde> scott in the angstroem repo I saw only bindings for opencv2.3
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  • [20:25:50] <woglinde> which I do not recommend
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  • [20:26:17] <Scott_> OK. back. GateOne is buggy. logged in from terminal. opkg list-installed doesn't seem to mention
  • [20:26:24] <Scott_> python bindgins
  • [20:27:00] <Scott_> ok. beginner question #2. How do I get an internet conenction for the bone over USB? I'm on OS X. I can't ping the outside world from the bone.
  • [20:27:41] <mranostay> ping harder?
  • [20:27:48] * panto kicks mranostay
  • [20:28:08] <panto> ugh, you'll need to setup ip forwarding on your mac
  • [20:28:28] <panto> Scott_, easier all around to just plug the ethernet cable
  • [20:28:39] <Scott_> can I just share my wifi over ethernet and add an ethernet cable to the mac?
  • [20:28:42] <Scott_> OK.
  • [20:28:56] <panto> yes, that would work
  • [20:29:09] <panto> use internet sharing of the airport through ethernet
  • [20:29:20] <Scott_> Thanks. I'll do that.
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  • [20:30:59] <Scott_> So what is the consensus? Download and compile the latest OpenCV? Or maybe do a SimpleCV install with opkg? Or ???
  • [20:31:54] <woglinde> scoot as I said I do not see any python bindings for the newer oe/angstroem packages
  • [20:32:16] <woglinde> so I recommend install all dev deps for opencv and compile it yourself
  • [20:32:21] <woglinde> or crosscompile it
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  • [20:33:06] <Scott_> woglinde: A-OK. Thanks for the help.
  • [20:35:38] <Scott_> Argh! I forgot my new macbook doesn't have ethernet! Plan B.
  • [20:36:47] <panto> lol
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  • [20:37:35] <Scott_> No instant gratification for me.
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  • [20:37:40] <woglinde> epic failure
  • [20:37:53] <mrpackethead> no ethernet?
  • [20:37:59] <mrpackethead> macbook air?
  • [20:38:02] <panto> Scott_, you could try to internet share the usb port...
  • [20:38:19] <panto> but you'd have to stop the dhcp server running on that interface from the bone side
  • [20:38:35] <Scott_> retina macbook.
  • [20:38:55] <mrpackethead> the new ones dont' ahve ethernet ports?
  • [20:39:00] <Scott_> I'll just switch laptops.... Quicker
  • [20:39:18] <panto> mrpackethead, nope
  • [20:39:27] <panto> they have 'lightning' ports
  • [20:39:32] <mrpackethead> thats right
  • [20:39:48] <panto> i.e. pay for a ethernet dongle
  • [20:40:27] <Scott_> This is the first time I've needed ethernet since I got the new laptop .Oh well. The edge of the laptop is thinner than an RJ45 jack
  • [20:40:56] <panto> there could be a smaller connector
  • [20:41:04] <panto> instead of a completely different interface
  • [20:41:46] <Spirilis> would you actually have to shut off the udhcpd on the bone or could you just run "route add default gw 192.168.7.1" to make the bone use the mac?
  • [20:41:58] <Spirilis> just put my 'bone away or else I'd test it lol
  • [20:42:04] <Spirilis> eh fuggit, brb
  • [20:42:16] <mrpackethead> Scott_: i'm up for a rplacemnt macbook in a few months.
  • [20:42:26] <mrpackethead> this one is 2years + old
  • [20:42:32] <mrpackethead> that will annoy me
  • [20:43:18] <Scott_> mrpackethead: This retina macbook is the best laptop I've ever had. Fast. Quiet. Great screen.
  • [20:43:31] <mrpackethead> this is my 3rd macbook
  • [20:43:42] * panto is on a macbook as well
  • [20:43:43] <Scott_> OK. thanks for the help. I'm going to rearrange laptops and try to get openCV downloaded and compiled tonight...
  • [20:43:46] <mrpackethead> The competition will need to do somethign pretty radical for me to swap
  • [20:43:55] <mrpackethead> they are actually really tough
  • [20:44:16] <panto> Scott_, if you can setup your mac to forward packets (and do nat) it will work
  • [20:44:26] <Spirilis> nm yeah, the Internet sharing creates its own 192.168.2.X network it seems
  • [20:44:32] <panto> the bone sets addresses on the 192.168.* range
  • [20:44:35] <panto> which are not routable
  • [20:44:36] <mrpackethead> I guess i use Wired networks more than most
  • [20:44:52] <mrpackethead> "which are nto routable on the ineternet"
  • [20:45:16] <mru> you're free to route between your own networks in those ranges
  • [20:45:22] <mru> and you're free to use NAT
  • [20:45:34] <mrpackethead> and you can try to route them on the internet
  • [20:45:51] <mrpackethead> but hopefully your ISP is smart enough to prevent you
  • [20:46:09] <mrpackethead> and hopefully your smart enough not to belive your ISP if they route them to you
  • [20:46:10] <mrpackethead> :-)
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  • [20:46:34] <mrpackethead> back in the very very early days of the Internet in NZ, i did something very bad.
  • [20:46:35] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [20:46:49] <mrpackethead> I started advertising via BGP the default route 0/0
  • [20:47:15] <mrpackethead> i bought down most of the connectivity in the country
  • [20:47:23] <mrpackethead> because (a) i had done somethign dumb
  • [20:47:29] <mrpackethead> (b) my upstream belived me
  • [20:47:32] <Spirilis> ok so the Mac creates a 192.168.2.X network on that USB interface alongside the 192.168.7 one the bone uses
  • [20:47:38] <mrpackethead> (c) almost everyone else belvied my upstream!
  • [20:47:44] <Spirilis> so on the bone I added another IP to usb0, 192.168.2.2, and set the default GW to 192.168.2.1
  • [20:47:51] <Spirilis> and voila, I can get out through the mac to the internet on the bone.
  • [20:48:19] <Spirilis> i.e. on the bone: ip addr add 192.168.2.2/24 dev usb0 ; ip route add default via 192.168.2.1
  • [20:48:43] <Spirilis> also changed nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf
  • [20:48:50] <Spirilis> but in any case, the bone is live
  • [20:49:09] <mru> finally someone who has the sense to use iproute2
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  • [20:49:20] <Spirilis> useful for doing some opkg updates when you don't feel like finding an ethernet cord
  • [20:49:22] <panto> hehe
  • [20:49:27] <panto> Spirilis, +1
  • [20:50:01] <Spirilis> yeah the iproute2 stuff ain't bad :)
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  • [20:52:31] <prpplague> jkridner|work / bzyx i'm going to start up a channel for discussing userspace wiring/process with arduino IDE
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  • [20:53:27] <bzyx> prpplague: ok, thanks for info
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  • [20:59:00] <tsquar3d_> prpplague: Sorry, I missed it... what do you want to do with wiring?
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  • [20:59:35] <woglinde> mru I use it for roundrobin over 4 umts modems
  • [21:00:17] <woglinde> and good nite
  • [21:00:22] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: userspace libraries for linux
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  • [21:01:41] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: you are welcome to join in
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  • [21:02:21] <tsquar3d_> prpplague: Explain?
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  • [21:04:09] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: modify the arduino IDE such that a sketch will compile as an binary that can be executed under linux userspace
  • [21:04:22] <panto> \o/ - gpmc read of rev reg works
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  • [21:05:33] <tsquar3d_> Hmm... processing already does that...
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  • [21:05:42] <tsquar3d_> It compiles to javascript..
  • [21:05:45] <tsquar3d_> .. and Java
  • [21:05:53] <tsquar3d_> But I can see wanting arduino to do it.
  • [21:06:05] <TechieShane> Hey, where can I apply for the GSoC with BeagleBoard
  • [21:06:54] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: totally incorrect
  • [21:06:57] <ds2> TechieShane: got a project in mind?
  • [21:07:30] <ds2> arduino is basically crippled C with a library
  • [21:07:30] <TechieShane> yes, although I'm not entirely sure how GSoC works. Does my project have to be open source?
  • [21:07:35] <ds2> yes
  • [21:07:50] <TechieShane> Does it have to be related to BeagleBoard in any way?
  • [21:08:14] <ds2> if it is under the beagleboard.org, sure but we cover a lot of things
  • [21:08:23] <tsquar3d_> prpplague: ... it's totally incorrect that processing compiles to java binaries... that's news to me being that I've done it. :-/
  • [21:08:26] <ds2> now if you are trying to manufacture a kitchen sink for making soup....
  • [21:08:55] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: hehe, then your understanding of what you have done is completely incorrect
  • [21:09:12] <tsquar3d_> prpplague: Yes. :-)
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  • [21:09:50] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: processing is java based, but the results of using the processing are not java based
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  • [21:10:26] <tsquar3d_> prpplague: But... you can compile it into a .jar ...
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  • [21:10:43] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: only the processing part
  • [21:10:47] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: not the wiring part
  • [21:10:53] <tsquar3d_> prpplague: Yes.
  • [21:10:54] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: the processing part is just the IDE
  • [21:11:00] <TechieShane> Are there student discounts available for the BeagleBoard
  • [21:11:04] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: the resulting code is NOT java based
  • [21:11:07] <TechieShane> +?
  • [21:11:20] <tsquar3d_> prpplague: Err... isn't wiring the IDE and Processing and Arduino use wiring?
  • [21:11:27] <ds2> accepted GSoC students will be provided a beagle, IIRC
  • [21:11:46] <tsquar3d_> ... as well as energica
  • [21:11:47] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: processing is the IDE, wiring is the language (C++ libraries)
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  • [21:12:36] <jj2baile> ...
  • [21:12:51] <tsquar3d_> robtow: Gah.. you're right.
  • [21:12:52] <tsquar3d_> :-p
  • [21:13:03] <tsquar3d_> prpplague: ^^^
  • [21:13:04] <tsquar3d_> lol
  • [21:13:18] <tsquar3d_> A little heavy on the tab key tonight.
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  • [21:15:20] <tsquar3d_> prpplague: Right... so you want to be able to compile arduino sketches to binaries... that's what you're saying?
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  • [21:15:47] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: correct
  • [21:16:30] <prpplague> bzyx: #userspace-arduino
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  • [21:18:27] <bzyx> prpplague: ping me when chanell will be ready to use :)
  • [21:18:53] <prpplague> bzyx: hehe will do sorry
  • [21:19:12] <bzyx> no problem
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  • [21:20:04] <prpplague> bzyx: fixed
  • [21:20:25] <tsquar3d_> prpplague: Right... well, one thing that I thought would interesting is to be able to program arduino code from command line. :-)
  • [21:21:02] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: that is doable as well since the wiring libraries are just that, libraries
  • [21:21:17] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: so you can use just a text editor and create your code and compile it
  • [21:23:30] <tsquar3d_> prpplague: Well... yeah.. of course, it'd be nice though to be able to SCRIPT the compilation. So compile(); and upload(); would just be part of the script and you'd never have to open up an ide.
  • [21:23:53] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: all already functional
  • [21:24:31] <prpplague> tsquar3d_: althought those functions are secondary to the primary mission
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  • [21:26:19] <prpplague> jkridner|work: ok #userspace-arduino is setup
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  • [21:31:01] <keesj> is it really doable from userland (when not using mmap stuff?)
  • [21:32:18] <keesj> is the pru out of scope for the Arduino lib?
  • [21:34:05] <keesj> you need to emulate a simple mico controller at some point and this requires some form of intepretting.
  • [21:35:28] <prpplague> keesj: we are doing native code, not emulated
  • [21:35:35] <prpplague> keesj: and yes it is doable
  • [21:35:53] <prpplague> keesj: i already have the core functionality tested
  • [21:37:07] <mru> hmm, if an arm processor has the so-called 'trivial' jazelle implementation, that could be abused to interpret any 8-bit code
  • [21:38:40] <prpplague> mru: hehe
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  • [21:39:53] <mru> wouldn't work on the rpi, hehe
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  • [21:40:03] <mru> since it has full jazelle
  • [21:40:10] <prpplague> keesj: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/EGdriv1tcn4
  • [21:40:23] * mru should probably stop talking about jazelle
  • [21:40:43] <prpplague> mru: hehe
  • [21:41:26] <ds2> did I hear the J word?
  • [21:41:38] <ds2> and which flavor of the J word?
  • [21:41:45] <mru> trollish
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  • [21:43:15] <ds2> prehaps you can convince your powers to be to document more the trivial acceleration
  • [21:44:11] <mru> hardly
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  • [21:44:54] <mru> but simply put, what you get is a table of 256 function pointers and the hw calls them as determined by the 8-bit opcodes in the instruction stream
  • [21:45:49] <panto> mru, docs about it?
  • [21:46:06] <panto> I have heard of the mythical jazelle for years but no manual at large
  • [21:46:15] <anujdeshpande> prpplague , is the userspace-arduino active yet ??
  • [21:46:21] <mru> panto: not in the open
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  • [21:46:43] <ds2> panto: the manual is avialable under pain of many many NDAs
  • [21:47:10] <panto> so it's like the PRU docs, only harder
  • [21:48:01] <ds2> much
  • [21:49:16] <panto> I don't get it
  • [21:49:22] <panto> what's so special about it?
  • [21:49:41] <mru> nothing
  • [21:49:57] <mru> sun's lawyers are to blame
  • [21:50:06] <ds2> multivendor joy ;)
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  • [21:52:11] <prpplague> anujdeshpande: yep up now
  • [21:54:34] <panto> mru, it would be great for emulators or stuff like nes
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  • [22:05:31] <masta> is a powered usb hum required to hookup keyboard/mouse on the black?
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  • [22:05:48] <mru> you need a hub for sure
  • [22:06:05] <masta> otay...
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  • [22:06:24] <mru> probably doesn't need to be powered
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  • [22:06:47] <mru> depends on how you power the beagle and how power-hungry your mouse/kbd are
  • [22:06:50] <masta> so far no luck with my keyboards and mice... things like the numb-lock keys illuminate, aor the mouse lights... but nothing else works
  • [22:07:31] <prpplague> masta: that sounds like something else wrong to me
  • [22:07:47] <mru> kernel drivers in place?
  • [22:07:50] <prpplague> masta: most keyboards and mice are around 50mA each
  • [22:07:54] <masta> well same situation with both my blacks
  • [22:07:57] <prpplague> masta: how are you powering black?
  • [22:08:03] <mru> prpplague: unless you type _really_ fast
  • [22:08:09] <prpplague> mru: hehe indeed
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  • [22:08:38] <masta> with a 5v 1A barrel
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  • [22:08:51] <mru> that should work fine
  • [22:09:01] <mru> what kernel are you using?
  • [22:09:22] <rbarris> Q: does the CPU on the BBB do any clock management / ramping with load - restated, is the low-end 210mA figure with a GHz ARM spinning its wheels, or is that a low-power state
  • [22:09:32] <masta> I just unboxed them, so angstrom... but without my keyboard or mouse I've not go so far to click or type uname -a
  • [22:09:36] <rbarris> (i.e. can CPU clock be gated/ramped)
  • [22:09:48] <masta> I guess I can put them on my computer and ssh
  • [22:09:49] <mru> cpu frequency is variable
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  • [22:09:58] <prpplague> masta: that is odd
  • [22:10:24] <panto> g'night
  • [22:10:28] <prpplague> panto: laters
  • [22:10:53] <rbarris> are there any kernel parameters that would allow controlling the CPU clock range, for example if 500MHz was "enough" for a project, could that limit be enforced..
  • [22:11:13] <masta> yeah, both blacks were doing the same thing, so I guess it more likely my funny equipment... keyboard is an old Sun keyboard (with the control key and caps lock misplaced).... the mouse was just a normal mouse
  • [22:11:25] <mru> rbarris: yes, you can set limits in cpufreq
  • [22:11:27] <keesj> prpplague: thnx for the info
  • [22:11:48] <rbarris> tnx mru
  • [22:11:55] <mru> masta: you mean with the control key _correctly_ placed
  • [22:11:56] <rbarris> will play with it more when it shows up tomorrow / this week
  • [22:12:11] <masta> mru: err... yes that is what I mean!
  • [22:12:12] <mru> rbarris: it's standard cpufreq
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  • [22:42:54] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> is anyone working on a gcc port for the prus?
  • [22:43:03] <mru> I hope not
  • [22:43:07] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hahah, why?
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  • [22:43:12] <mru> pointless
  • [22:43:24] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mostly...but you can do inline asm.
  • [22:43:32] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> lol, ok fine.
  • [22:43:43] <ds2> if there is a C6K GCC...
  • [22:43:55] <mru> which sucks donkey's balls
  • [22:44:43] <mru> when it compiles at all, the code it generates is twice as slow as what cl6x does
  • [22:44:58] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> looks like there is. are the prus c6k? or very similar at least?
  • [22:45:09] <mru> not remotely
  • [22:45:35] <ds2> the PRUs are probally closer to a programmable statemachine
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  • [22:47:37] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i want to get a kernel running on the two, as a dual core co-computer.
  • [22:47:49] <crashovrd> :S
  • [22:47:53] <mru> forget it
  • [22:47:59] <mru> you have 8k instruction ram
  • [22:48:23] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pfffffft...hater.
  • [22:48:52] <ds2> sysbios4PRU? :D
  • [22:49:16] <crashovrd> you should make it run a BASIC interpreter!
  • [22:49:26] <elopez|web> http://olimex.wordpress.com/2012/04/04/unix-on-pic32-meet-retrobsd-for-duinomite/
  • [22:49:40] <crashovrd> didnt they open source the 8051AH BASIC?
  • [22:50:01] <ds2> pic32 is MIPS
  • [22:50:38] <elopez|web> 128*K* of memory :)
  • [22:51:14] <alan_o> That's only 120 more than the PRU has :)
  • [22:51:16] <thurbad> too bad it's not 640k.... that's enough for everything :P
  • [22:52:32] <elopez|web> the OS itself uses 32K, the rest is free for apps
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  • [22:56:44] <rgm3> Good evening. I received my BBB today and perhaps unwisely ran "opkg update ; opkg upgrade"
  • [22:58:28] <mranostay> hehe
  • [22:58:28] <rgm3> It looks like it had some trouble going from kernel 3.8.6 to 3.8.8
  • [22:59:02] <rgm3> Unfortunately, I typed "reboot" before checking "systemctl status bonescript.socket" or journalctl -xn
  • [22:59:42] <crashovrd> cant you just re-flash it?
  • [22:59:52] <rgm3> Now my BBB has on 3 blue LEDs, and does not appear to be "coming back" -- what can I try next?
  • [23:00:24] <rgm3> My opkg bonescript error can be viewed here: http://pastebin.com/k5RGyKgD
  • [23:00:27] <crashovrd> put something on a SD card, hold user button and boot off SD
  • [23:00:31] <crashovrd> reflash
  • [23:00:52] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> blue leds!? ugh...i feel so inferior with my dumb green leds.
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  • [23:01:54] <mranostay> are the blue LEDs still uber bright?
  • [23:02:40] <rgm3> Yes, very bright.
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  • [23:03:11] <rgm3> waving it around reveals no PWM (or 100% pwm anyway)
  • [23:03:23] <rgm3> I might stick some masking tape over them to dull the glow
  • [23:03:34] <mranostay> that is what i do
  • [23:03:54] <mranostay> which is black electrica tape usually
  • [23:04:28] <rgm3> I'd still like to use them as outputs for my baby steps with bonescript
  • [23:04:48] <rgm3> but, first thing's first -- undo the damage caused by opkg upgrade
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  • [23:06:19] <rgm3> In light of the fact that opkg upgrade "broke" me -- what is the recommended way to update software?
  • [23:06:39] <rgm3> Download image from website, dd to sd card, boot that to transfer to BBB internal memory?
  • [23:06:43] <mranostay> if it isn't broke don't opkg upgrade :P
  • [23:08:32] <calculus> opkg downgrade
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  • [23:13:22] <rgm3> re: "if it ain't broke, don't upgrade" -- Yes, I see the wisdom in that now. But one must acknowledge the "normal"-ness of the human compulsion to "have the latest" and the expectation that using the "proper" procedure via the system's package manager won't result in an unusable system.
  • [23:14:22] <rgm3> In the future I'll expect... less. Maybe I'll hook up the USB console or the HDMI port at home and see if I can suss out the problem.
  • [23:14:40] <rgm3> Thanks for the help, nanights.
  • [23:14:56] <crashovrd> "In the future I'll expect... less." <-- I want that on a T-shirt
  • [23:15:51] <rgm3> :)
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  • [23:18:33] <rbarris> OK, so what's the "restore to factory" procedure then...
  • [23:19:31] <mru> it was all so much simpler back in the days of uv-erasable eprom
  • [23:19:53] <alan_o> mru: simpler, but slower...
  • [23:20:17] <mru> they had quick-erasers
  • [23:20:20] <mru> nasty things
  • [23:20:20] <ds2> that's why you have pipelines of them
  • [23:20:21] <alan_o> I had to buy an eraser for a job last year. Fun, in small doses.
  • [23:20:43] <alan_o> I only had 2 chips. Some obsolete thing the client sent me. Only source was ebay
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  • [23:21:08] <alan_o> and no flash equivalent :(
  • [23:21:11] <ds2> HC11's?
  • [23:21:40] <alan_o> it wasn't the micro, it was just the memory UVPROM
  • [23:21:53] <ds2> but not 27xx's?
  • [23:22:09] <alan_o> hard to remember. I can check the email.. stand by
  • [23:22:12] <alan_o> I sent them all back.
  • [23:22:35] <ds2> oh hehe
  • [23:25:56] <mru> 00:25:14 up 667 days
  • [23:26:06] <mru> survived the day of the beast
  • [23:27:33] <alan_o> ds2: M27C256B
  • [23:28:01] <ds2> those are reasonably common
  • [23:28:07] <alan_o> ds2: on ebay
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  • [23:28:10] <ds2> and should be easy to drop in a 28F256 chip
  • [23:28:24] <ds2> IIRC the 28F's are a superset of the pinout
  • [23:28:35] <ds2> extra pins are to support writing or something like that
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  • [23:28:46] <alan_o> nothing I found indicated an equivalent. I spent some time on it, but I could easily have missed it.
  • [23:28:48] <elopez|web> mru: so *that*s why my ipv6 went down today :)
  • [23:28:57] <ds2> I probally have a small pile of those sitting around in a corner somewhere
  • [23:29:06] <ds2> you got to look at the pinout
  • [23:29:14] <ds2> the ROMs also share a similar pinout
  • [23:29:26] <ds2> close enough that a simple mod will do
  • [23:32:29] <alan_o> Those are different number of pins.
  • [23:32:39] <alan_o> I'm sure it could have been done with a mod
  • [23:32:42] <mru> cutting pins is easy
  • [23:32:49] <mru> adding extra is a little harder
  • [23:32:56] <mru> but superglue and a steady hand should do it
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  • [23:36:58] <tsquar3d> mdp: Are you around?
  • [23:40:35] <ds2> you let the extra pins stick outside of the socket
  • [23:40:47] <ds2> there is like 4 or maybe 8 extra pins but it is all on one end
  • [23:41:40] <mru> I've seen boards done that way
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  • [23:42:20] <mru> doesn't work if the power pins are at opposite corners though
  • [23:43:00] <ds2> the 28F's should have the power pins in the same place as the 27's
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