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  • [00:00:41] <Wuzws> Hello comminity
  • [00:00:58] <ajain> hello
  • [00:01:10] <karzan> any one can help with cloud9
  • [00:01:12] <karzan> ????
  • [00:01:14] <fiola> ajain: http://www.gurucoding.com/en/rpi_cross_compiler/diff_hardfp_softfp.php
  • [00:02:09] <ds2> tablets from beagles is so yesterday
  • [00:02:10] <karzan> seems like no one wants to help
  • [00:02:26] <Wuzws> I have a question to ask, can beagle black function like a tipical computer (with linux os) including GUI etc ?
  • [00:02:30] <ajain> sorry karzan i wish i could help but i dont know a lot about cloud9
  • [00:02:56] <karzan> thanks ajan fro the respond
  • [00:03:03] <ds2> people wanting to use cloud9 need a different sort of help
  • [00:03:07] <fiola> ajain: The standard distros won't support hardfp on old architectures like ARM11 because they'd have to maintain yet another complete set of dozens of thousands of package binaries, which is why Raspbian exists, they recompiled everything for hardfp.
  • [00:03:34] <karzan> I can not access cloud9
  • [00:03:44] <ajain> Gotcha.
  • [00:04:54] <ajain> fiola: do you think i could make a tablet with android in beaglebone?
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  • [00:05:43] <Wuzws> Any link to small inch lcds to utilize with the board ?
  • [00:06:53] <ajain> There is this one http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094859&id=13939433 which is a 7-inch
  • [00:07:32] <joel_> ds2: lol
  • [00:07:36] <Wuzws> danke
  • [00:07:38] <ds2> most LCDs can be made to work
  • [00:07:40] <ajain> That is the one I am probably going to use, but I want to know if there is one like this that is cheaper and has the tablet frame. If it doesn't have the frame could someone still post the link anyway?
  • [00:08:09] <ds2> joel_: found out more about ETB...it is purely an addition to the JTAG stuff
  • [00:08:16] <Wuzws> Id be more than happy for a how to make your LCD work tut Ds2
  • [00:08:47] <joel_> ds2: yeah. ETB can be read from JTAG directly.. but it is tiny, still not sure how useful.
  • [00:09:40] <joel_> I did a simple ETB trace on a beaglebone.
  • [00:09:45] <fiola> ajain: I have no idea. In principle, sure, but being easy in principle doesn't mean that there won't be a mountain to climb. On the positive side, the official announcement for BB Black mentioned Android, so success is available at the end.
  • [00:09:53] <joel_> The buffer fills up with tracedata in a jiffie
  • [00:09:53] <fiola> ajain: http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black
  • [00:09:56] <Wuzws> I cant seem to find a cheap non touch small lcd, any clues ?
  • [00:09:59] <ds2> Wuzws: how many units do you need to build?
  • [00:10:21] <ds2> joel_: think it is like 16K...but it is one of the destinations of the ETM. you can get more data via the ETM pins
  • [00:10:32] <ds2> how small is small?
  • [00:10:43] <ajain> just one unit
  • [00:10:44] <ds2> and small as in low resolution or physical size or volume or?
  • [00:10:47] <Wuzws> 7 inch would do
  • [00:10:51] <joel_> ds2: it is around 32KB. have you used ETB for any purpose before?
  • [00:10:53] <ajain> yeah 7inchs minimum
  • [00:10:54] <ds2> 7inch? that is trivial
  • [00:10:59] <Wuzws> size realy
  • [00:11:00] <joel_> *on am335x
  • [00:11:11] <ajain> i haven't used ETB before
  • [00:11:17] <ds2> joel_: nope. I was just talking to folks at ESC
  • [00:11:17] <joel_> that was for ds2
  • [00:11:21] <ajain> sorry guys i know i don't know a lot of stuff about this
  • [00:11:32] <ds2> 7inch is next to trivial
  • [00:11:45] <ds2> you just wire it up
  • [00:12:11] <joel_> ds2: ok. the simple ft2232 can't read from the tracepins (emu0/1) even though they are connected
  • [00:12:14] <fiola> ajain: follow the links, there's tons of reading material from beagleboard.org on BB and from TI on the SoC.
  • [00:12:17] <Wuzws> ind be ok with less just something I can have visual feedback of the board
  • [00:12:26] <joel_> so you'd need the jtag connector and expensive debugger, or live with the ETB
  • [00:12:28] <ds2> joel_: yes. they run relatively fast since it is real time
  • [00:12:44] <ds2> they were quoting like $10K+ for a device that can read it in real time
  • [00:13:00] <joel_> ds2: for simple traces I guess its useful. I will be using tracing for a real application shortly to know how useful using just the ETB really is
  • [00:13:26] <ds2> joel_: do you know if the ETM can place markers into the ETB?
  • [00:13:37] <joel_> ds2: wow. I know I saw a demo somewhere where the xds560v2 read it in real time without halting ARM
  • [00:14:02] <joel_> ds2: like time stamps? yes the tracedata is timestamped by hardware
  • [00:14:03] <ds2> joel_: jtag isn't fast enough to do it continously for a 1GHz processor
  • [00:14:18] <ds2> no more like - BEGIN trace here, STOP here
  • [00:14:25] <ds2> so I can use it to trace a process or a function
  • [00:14:29] <ajain> thanks fiola i will definitely check it out
  • [00:14:46] <ds2> or some way of triggering and stopping it
  • [00:14:52] <joel_> ds2: yeah you can tell the ETM start and stop address, that triggers the trace instead of just tracing everything and flooding the buffer
  • [00:15:07] <ds2> OOhh
  • [00:15:14] <ds2> seems interesting enough to look into
  • [00:15:21] <joel_> ds2: yeah
  • [00:16:06] <mdp> ds2, sounds about like the price of a RISCTrace that did the same for IBM PPC..
  • [00:16:27] <joel_> TI's STM implementation can do much more.... L3 introspection, DMA profiling, SoC event collection, SW messaging etc
  • [00:16:38] <Wuzws> is it possible to boot windows os on the board ?
  • [00:16:38] <ajain> would beaglebone black be too slow to run android?
  • [00:17:00] <ds2> mdp: was that really for the PPC or was it a hold over from RS6000?
  • [00:17:23] <ds2> Beagle bone white runs android just fine
  • [00:17:45] <joel_> but you're stuck with the ETB without a $$$ debugger and also w/o debug software capable of using those features
  • [00:17:56] <ajain> what do you mean joel?
  • [00:18:03] <ajain> i'm sorry i just don't understand
  • [00:18:13] <joel_> I mean its all av500's fault
  • [00:18:31] * joel_ pokes av500
  • [00:19:18] <mdp> ds2, holdover, of course, the name is a giveaway
  • [00:19:25] <joel_> ds2: how are you going to be using ETM?
  • [00:19:40] <fiola> ajain: that's a different conversation, joel's talking about low level processor tracing with JTAG and ETM/ETB, not related to Android.
  • [00:19:54] <ds2> joel_: time machine
  • [00:20:00] <mdp> joel_, yeah, STM (regardless of vendor) is far more useful than the old ETM stuff
  • [00:20:32] <ajain> i see. sorry guys.
  • [00:20:47] <joel_> ds2: actually STM uses the ETM.. ETM is internal to the ARM cortex-a8 and is still used, just newer version (as can be seen in the ARM cortex-a8 TRM)
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  • [00:21:05] <joel_> so for tracing STM still needs the ETM's help..
  • [00:21:13] <ds2> joel_: yeah, I figured that
  • [00:21:43] <mdp> the key being the standard MIPI trace support
  • [00:23:06] <ds2> is there off the shelf PRUSS code to generate NTSC?
  • [00:23:12] <ajain> so i should probably stick with this screen then: http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094859&id=13939433
  • [00:23:18] <mdp> joel_, did TI ever open any of their decoders as a part of the linaro STM support effort?
  • [00:23:52] <joel_> mdp: debuggers you mean?
  • [00:24:57] <mdp> somebody I know that worked closely with this stuff at linaro had mentioned the message decoder library etc. TI has
  • [00:25:14] <joel_> TI is working on supporting STM in near future but so far nothing works (atleast on AM33xx) except for ETB. You can't access the traceport (yet) for am33xx
  • [00:25:48] <mdp> not talking about am33xx stuff
  • [00:25:56] <mdp> the stuff where all the work was done already
  • [00:26:11] <mdp> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/STM_Linux_Device_Driver
  • [00:26:56] <mdp> nm! fount it ;) http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/CToolsLib#Linux_Kernel_Driver_for_STM_printf
  • [00:27:06] <mdp> or
  • [00:27:13] <mdp> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/CToolsLib
  • [00:27:25] <joel_> yes CToolsLib
  • [00:27:56] <mdp> the linaro project looks stale still
  • [00:28:00] <mdp> guess everybody lost interest
  • [00:29:10] <joel_> I think it is more of a resourcing problem
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  • [00:29:30] <mdp> same thing
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  • [00:30:28] <joel_> what would really be interesting is using this for low-latency printk
  • [00:31:03] <joel_> and the other usecase is for ex, looking at an ETM trace after crash
  • [00:31:09] <mru> when is printk latency important?
  • [00:31:11] <ds2> no one else is in interested in using it as a time machine?
  • [00:31:27] <joel_> warm reset, and just read the ETB to see last instructions executed before the crash
  • [00:31:42] <ds2> yes
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  • [00:31:48] <ds2> but on a preprocess basis
  • [00:32:21] <joel_> ds2: to enable logging to a circular buffer and not worry about performance
  • [00:32:35] <mdp> joel_, sure, that's the same stuff we were doing 10 years ago on other processors
  • [00:32:47] <mdp> standard debug practice for tough issues
  • [00:32:53] <ds2> joel_: was thinking more of a way for the SEGV handler to dump it
  • [00:33:09] <ds2> getting where you crashed is easy
  • [00:33:16] <ds2> figuring out how you got there is the nightmare
  • [00:33:32] <mdp> joel_, tools for hardware trace usability are always welcome ;)
  • [00:34:10] <mru> linux does trace dumps on various errors on some systems
  • [00:34:19] <mru> blackfin for instance
  • [00:34:23] <mru> very useful
  • [00:34:34] <ds2> trace dumps? besides the usual stack traces?
  • [00:34:37] <joel_> mdp: yes, who wouldn't love cycle accurate function profiling and tracing, all low/non-intrusive
  • [00:34:46] <mru> ds2: branch trace
  • [00:34:46] <ds2> i.e I can go back into the last 100 or so lines that the code traversed?
  • [00:35:07] <ds2> Oohh that is useful
  • [00:35:11] <mru> yes, you can see exactly how you got there
  • [00:35:17] <ds2> how deep on BF?
  • [00:35:18] <mdp> joel_, it's necessary as most hard problems can't be debugged via stop mode
  • [00:35:27] <mdp> joel_, as they disappear
  • [00:35:33] <mru> don't remember how large the buffer is
  • [00:35:38] <mru> 100 entries or so
  • [00:35:47] <ds2> not bad
  • [00:35:55] <zamN> jkridner: you around? :D
  • [00:35:59] <ds2> that can cover a function or two
  • [00:36:30] <joel_> mdp: indeed. can be very useful for that type of debug
  • [00:36:32] <mdp> joel_, we caught an coherency/dma/cache alignment issue once this way that took 5-7 of runtime to trigger
  • [00:36:48] <mdp> it's the type of stuff that keeps a production line down ;)
  • [00:36:53] <joel_> mru: how does it work? what causes the branch information export (in HW)?
  • [00:37:03] <mru> a trace unit in the cpu
  • [00:37:06] <mdp> s/5-7/5-7 days/
  • [00:37:20] <ds2> that's the kind of stuff that gets you sent onto a plane with an hour's notice :/
  • [00:37:46] <mdp> ds2, sounds like a common memory
  • [00:37:58] <Wuzws> A quick newbie question, can I run beaglebone black with windows os and just utillize it as a pc ?
  • [00:38:05] <mru> no
  • [00:38:22] <Wuzws> has to alsways be conected then ?
  • [00:38:36] <joel_> well its still a lot like what the ETM exports, branching info. would be useful to dump. I did see an ETM driver in the kernel that seems to be enabled only for a certain OMAP emu target.
  • [00:39:01] <Wuzws> any other os with GUI ?
  • [00:39:03] <mru> yeah, the etm does everything you need
  • [00:39:09] <joel_> mdp: that's interesting
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  • [00:40:01] <joel_> arch/arm/kernel/etm.c
  • [00:40:54] <zamN> Hey if I'm interested in working with you guys during gsoc where would be a good place to start (code-wise)?
  • [00:41:12] <zamN> s/if//
  • [00:41:26] <mrpackethead> come up with a concept
  • [00:41:47] <zamN> I like the ideas that you guys came up with on the ideas page
  • [00:42:02] <zamN> but the mentors don't seem to be here atm
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  • [00:45:13] <joel_> There is a CONFIG_OMAP3_EMU (arch/arm/mach-omap2/emu.c) that registers the device. So far looks like the only user of the etm driver.
  • [00:48:25] <joel_> mru: just storing the branch info seems useful though instead of every instruction in the path
  • [00:49:03] <joel_> bf's limited to last 16 branches, still
  • [00:49:34] <ds2> not really
  • [00:49:40] <ds2> on ARM you do need instructions
  • [00:49:55] <ds2> conditional execution will do you in otherwise
  • [00:50:52] <joel_> well, when you've limited etb. its a plus
  • [00:51:53] <joel_> depends on debug usecase really... I will over come my fear of the limited etb soon when I see how it plays out
  • [00:53:16] <joel_> ds2: i see what you mean, k
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  • [00:54:15] <shouldi> any hangups with the black that people are voicing concerns about?
  • [00:54:26] * shouldi as in should i buy one
  • [00:56:43] <ds2> yes.... it takes longer then 24hours to get one right now
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  • [01:00:17] <joel_> ds2: usecase for ETM time machine
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  • [01:00:46] <ds2> ask for one or you going to enumerate them?
  • [01:01:05] <joel_> no I said that could be one, to take you forward 24 hours
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  • [01:03:40] <Taguato> Hello. I have installed Ubuntu with GUI-cape in my beagleboard xm. When i run "X :1" command for init x-server i obtain a freeze in "loading extension glx" output
  • [01:04:12] <Taguato> can somebody help me?
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  • [01:13:05] <joel_> gosh. irc client going nuts here.
  • [01:13:06] <joel_> bbl
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  • [01:29:12] <CHaa> yo?
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  • [01:31:08] <mranostay> CHaa: yes?
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  • [02:43:29] <joel_> runtime pm can eat up cycles like no one's business
  • [02:44:08] <mranostay> hi joel_
  • [02:45:13] <joel_> mranostay: hey matt
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  • [03:11:04] <ds2> it needs to be fixed to filter out PM activities in HW
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  • [03:45:30] <RoyOnWheels> beagle black looks nice
  • [03:46:01] <mranostay> black is slimming
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  • [04:17:34] <_av500_> yawn
  • [04:18:10] <_av500_> joel_: what?
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  • [04:24:10] <joel_> av500: was just poking fun at you.
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  • [04:24:22] <joel_> the discussion was getting too serious
  • [04:25:01] <joel_> and too on-topic
  • [04:25:19] <shapr> whew
  • [04:25:22] <shapr> glad you saved it.
  • [04:25:28] <joel_> ;)
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  • [04:33:11] <mrpackethead> whats brewing.
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  • [04:35:05] <kallisti5> lol
  • [04:35:15] <kallisti5> my BeagleBone Black shipped
  • [04:35:25] * kallisti5 expects to get serial number #0000001
  • [04:35:35] <ka6sox> beer
  • [04:35:41] <shapr> sake
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  • [04:36:13] <seedplus> Hello
  • [04:36:22] <seedplus> this is haksoo lim from korea.
  • [04:36:34] <seedplus> anybody in here?
  • [04:36:48] <shapr> me?
  • [04:37:05] <shapr> but I don't have a beagle board yet, so I'm not much help.
  • [04:37:08] <shapr> I would like to buy one!
  • [04:38:43] <MrCurious> i registered interest way back and i cant yet either
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  • [04:44:29] <seedplus> i wonder that beagle board is tested in industrial site.
  • [04:44:57] <seedplus> our customers are located in plant
  • [04:45:57] <MrCurious> saw a tweet today of the new black ones undergoing burn in testing
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  • [05:16:01] <rbarris> my BBB has shipped!
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  • [05:16:51] <rbarris> ...much better than the "May 13" estimate Newark was mentioning earlier
  • [05:18:22] <av500> OMG
  • [05:18:31] <fiola> Gratz :-)
  • [05:19:14] <ka6sox> Ponies?
  • [05:19:36] <fiola> Yeah, except they go "Woof!"
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  • [05:21:58] <rbarris> "However, severe storms are impacting FedEx flights around the country..." - the tracking page
  • [05:22:06] <fiola> lol
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  • [05:22:58] <fiola> You just can't win. I see the headlines already: "BeagleBone Dark delayed by global warming"
  • [05:23:08] <fiola> lol, Black
  • [05:23:19] <ka6sox> Translation: give us some more time to bend, fold, tear, spindle and mutilate your package...
  • [05:23:53] <fiola> Aye, which is why I never order on a Friday.
  • [05:24:43] <fiola> Even Thursday is asking for trouble, in case "next day delivery" slips.
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  • [05:39:29] <KotH> a wonderfull JIHAD everyone!
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  • [05:42:01] <mranostay> heh
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  • [06:18:57] <mrpackethead> KotH: thanks.
  • [06:19:06] <mrpackethead> mranostay: you keep saying that
  • [06:19:12] <mrpackethead> Its almost like a clock.
  • [06:19:36] <mrpackethead> rbarris: where did you get yours from?
  • [06:19:51] <rbarris> Newark
  • [06:20:15] <rbarris> I signed up on their pre-reg email notification list a few weeks back. I think the mail showed up yesterday..
  • [06:20:39] <rbarris> it's "in the mail" i.e. has a fedex tracking #
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  • [06:27:00] <hardin> Hi folks! I have a question about BeagleBone: SinceBeagleBone only have 1 usb post. Is it possible to use a usb splitter? I want to use 1 port for a usb WiFi and the other usb for a webcam. Thanks
  • [06:29:42] <av500> a hub
  • [06:29:44] <av500> yes
  • [06:29:58] <av500> there is also a wifi cape
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  • [06:36:44] <mrpackethead> hub cape?
  • [06:37:06] <ds2> don't forget the red ones
  • [06:37:10] <mrpackethead> got a link for the wifi cape?
  • [06:37:35] <mrpackethead> I think the opencv homework project must be finsihed
  • [06:37:54] <mrpackethead> becuase we have'nt seen any " i can't compile opencv " for some time.
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  • [06:40:18] <hardin> thanks for answer :) my pc died and restart
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  • [06:56:04] <seedplus> Hello? is anyone here, beagleboard employee?
  • [06:56:09] <seedplus> i have a question
  • [06:56:38] <seedplus> i interest stability of board.
  • [06:56:48] <seedplus> for industrial plant
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  • [06:58:11] <av500> define stability
  • [07:01:06] <mrpackethead> does the beagleboard employe people?
  • [07:01:52] <KotH> as the beagleboard is a board i doubt it can legaly employ anyone
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  • [07:02:06] <mrpackethead> hard for it to do the interview
  • [07:02:18] <KotH> or maybe seedplus meant beagleborad
  • [07:02:30] <mrpackethead> seedplus: or CircuitCo
  • [07:02:40] <mrpackethead> seedplus: what are you going to hook up to it.
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  • [07:06:53] <Exrith> So I just read about the beaglebone black on theregister.co.uk today and it got my thinking. Why not buy 6 of these and cluster them together like an old Beowulf cluster. I would to be able to share all resources between the cluster members. Has anyone herd of this being done, or have any info to point me in the right direction?
  • [07:09:04] <mrpackethead> A beagle kennel
  • [07:09:10] <mrpackethead> yes, you could.
  • [07:09:24] <Exrith> Sorry for the bad spelling and grammar. Stupid ipad will not allow me to scrool and review what I typed.
  • [07:09:29] <vij> Has anyone tried building the 3.8 kernel
  • [07:09:41] <mrpackethead> are you going to try?
  • [07:10:34] <vij> tried already but am getting this error : R_ARM_THM_JUMP11 against symbol `sched_clock' defined in .text section in arch/arm/kernel/built-in.o
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  • [07:11:07] <panto> vij, the kernel that the boards ships with is 3.8.5
  • [07:11:29] <panto> and not, compiling the mainline kernel won't work, you need patches on top of that
  • [07:12:16] <Exrith> Any one have any information clustering the beaglebone black to gather?
  • [07:12:32] <KotH> Exrith: clustering beagles is no different than clustering PCs
  • [07:12:52] <panto> i.e. you can do it, whether is a good idea, it's up to you
  • [07:13:11] <KotH> Exrith: and given the amount of black bones in circulation, i doubt anyone has enough to build a cluster at all
  • [07:13:41] <KotH> Exrith: what you are looking for is a generic description of how to build a cluster and modify that slightly to apply to an arm board
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  • [07:13:47] <KotH> Exrith: everything else is the same
  • [07:14:29] <vij> Hi Panto, i've patched the sources and yes have pulled the sources from here : https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8
  • [07:14:37] <mrpackethead> Do you think you coudl get a sensible amount of compute power for a given amount of $$ in a cluster
  • [07:14:47] <mrpackethead> Im not sure if the economics would stack
  • [07:14:48] <panto> vij, looks like your toolchain is broken
  • [07:16:24] <vij> which is the recommended toolchain? From where can i download the toolchain?
  • [07:16:33] <vij> I'm using this arm-arago-linux-gnueabi-gcc (GCC) 4.5.3 20110311
  • [07:16:57] <vij> which was bundled under AM35xx Linux SDK
  • [07:17:32] <panto> you can use the angstrom sdk
  • [07:17:45] <panto> I think the linaro toolchains work too
  • [07:17:59] <mrpackethead> first job when my blackbirds arrive is to get debian running
  • [07:18:45] <panto> mrpackethead, you self sacrifice is noted
  • [07:18:47] <panto> *your
  • [07:18:53] <Exrith> At 45$ a pop I think it could b done some what cheep. I just want to try it, have some spare time on my hands and looking for a challenge
  • [07:19:09] <panto> well, go for it
  • [07:19:15] <mrpackethead> yes, go for it
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  • [07:19:25] <mrpackethead> we love to hear .. I'm going to try something
  • [07:19:37] <mrpackethead> we hate to hear.. Does XYZ work
  • [07:19:58] <panto> even if it's totally pointless, you'll get to learn something
  • [07:20:06] <panto> we love pointless projects here
  • [07:20:11] <mrpackethead> We do in deed.
  • [07:20:38] <ka6sox> panto, +1
  • [07:20:38] <mrpackethead> its why the trolls hav'nt eaten half of the food here
  • [07:20:40] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [07:20:47] <panto> hi ka6sox
  • [07:20:51] <ka6sox> morning
  • [07:20:57] <panto> hey
  • [07:21:03] <panto> what you doing up so late?
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  • [07:21:41] <ka6sox> I'm about to go to work...
  • [07:21:49] <ka6sox> I get the station @ 1am
  • [07:22:31] <panto> where are you now?
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  • [07:22:52] <ka6sox> sitting at the bottom of the mountain about ready to go up
  • [07:23:12] <panto> heh
  • [07:23:12] <mrpackethead> what mountain is this?
  • [07:23:21] <ka6sox> Laguna Peak
  • [07:23:35] <mrpackethead> Whats of interest at the top
  • [07:23:58] <ka6sox> a very sad DAB station
  • [07:24:05] <mrpackethead> ahh.
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  • [07:24:35] <Exrith> That's what I'm talking about. I have very strong skills with networking, windows and Linux/unix servers but other then that this is out of my knowledge area. So I'm excited. I've been wanting to set up a cluster like this for sometime now. Anyone can get a blade server and run a pre set up cluster os , this seems like more of a challenge.
  • [07:24:50] <ka6sox> drifting time alignment...
  • [07:25:08] <mrpackethead> Exrith: well go for it
  • [07:25:18] <rbarris> ka6sox which part of CA you in roughly - LA-ish ? I'm in OC
  • [07:25:34] <rbarris> CQ CQ de KD6IFZ
  • [07:25:37] <mrpackethead> rbarris: the OC... You work For Disney?
  • [07:25:38] <ka6sox> right now, Point Mugu
  • [07:26:00] <rbarris> no, I telecommute, software
  • [07:26:10] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, I grew up near Disney...in the OC
  • [07:26:22] <mrpackethead> I visit Anaheim 3-4 times a year
  • [07:26:53] <rbarris> my wife worked at the park for about 17 yrs.
  • [07:26:59] <ka6sox> oy
  • [07:27:07] <mrpackethead> we build widgets for Disney
  • [07:27:23] <ka6sox> I grew up 2 blocks from teh ocean...can I surf? nope..
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  • [07:27:42] <mrpackethead> i live very near ( 100m ) the sea. I can't surf either.
  • [07:28:20] <ka6sox> I'm about 10m from the surf now...
  • [07:28:22] <av500> at 6x $45 you can buy a PC that is more powerfull than 6 beagle bones
  • [07:28:30] <rbarris> very true
  • [07:28:42] <mrpackethead> av500: thats what i thought
  • [07:28:45] <ka6sox> av500, MFLOPS/Watt?
  • [07:29:08] <rbarris> just have to think clearly about the value of the effort, is it for learning, fun, or trying to get onto Top500 supercomputer list
  • [07:29:10] <mrpackethead> MegaWattFlopDollar
  • [07:29:13] <mrpackethead> what unit is that
  • [07:29:48] <av500> wel, setting up a shared nothing cluster is easy
  • [07:29:50] <av500> well
  • [07:30:03] <ka6sox> MPI FTW
  • [07:30:34] <ka6sox> okay...my "escort" is here...TTG
  • [07:30:44] <koen> felipebalbi: ping
  • [07:30:53] <av500> http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=179615
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  • [07:38:22] <altair> Hello
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  • [07:38:37] <av500> hi
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  • [07:39:11] <Guest32796> where i can use BeagleBoard for example
  • [07:39:41] <av500> on yourdesk
  • [07:39:52] <av500> :)
  • [07:39:59] <Guest32796> ))
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  • [07:47:14] <tsjsieb> Anyone here using a splash screen on a systemd image?
  • [07:47:41] * tsjsieb is currently trying to use dietsplash, but I don't get it started during booting (but that might have to do with my (lag of) systemd experience)
  • [07:48:38] <tsjsieb> 's/lag/lack/'
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  • [07:55:40] <tsjsieb> dietsplash shows this in README: All you have to do is to install dietsplash and append 'init=/bin/dietsplash'to your kernel command line. During compilation dietsplash will detect the real init used on system pass the correct.
  • [07:55:47] <tsjsieb> but I don't thinks that's going to work with a cross-compiled image
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  • [07:57:07] <felipebalbi> koen: pong
  • [07:57:20] <felipebalbi> koen: who said that ?
  • [07:59:35] <panto> felipebalbi, fwiw I hate the way gpmc DT bindings are done
  • [07:59:58] <felipebalbi> panto: tell me about it :-p
  • [08:00:10] <panto> done the wrong way around completely
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  • [08:00:57] <panto> gpmc should be resource that devices can use, not have the devices as sub-nodes of the interface
  • [08:01:03] <panto> *be a
  • [08:02:41] <av500> +1
  • [08:03:17] <panto> the guys who did it obviously only cared about getting a few nand/nor devices
  • [08:03:24] <felipebalbi> panto: I agree fully
  • [08:03:28] <felipebalbi> panto: GPMC is just another bus
  • [08:03:49] <felipebalbi> panto: imagine if USB, I2C, SPI, etc would have been done the way GPMC is today
  • [08:04:11] <panto> splatting gpmc,foo* inside an unrelated device node is bad too
  • [08:04:47] <panto> it calls out for a memory controller abstraction really
  • [08:04:52] <panto> similar to pinctl
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  • [08:05:33] <koen> felipebalbi: VH
  • [08:05:39] <panto> the other interfaces you mentioned are even less problematic
  • [08:05:43] <felipebalbi> koen: interesting
  • [08:05:47] <koen> felipebalbi: I have an LCD7 for you, PM/mail me the shipping address
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  • [08:05:57] <panto> cause there's no other way to connect an SPI device but to a SPI host controller
  • [08:06:22] <felipebalbi> koen: thanks :-)
  • [08:06:24] <koen> felipebalbi: VH is dead against bone-common.dtsi + bone.dts + boneblack.dts and wants to cp bone.dts boneblack.dts
  • [08:06:27] <panto> the device you put on the GPMC are generic bus devices, that can be used by other similar memory controllers
  • [08:06:47] <felipebalbi> panto: it also makes drivers (or their DT nodes) more difficult to reuse
  • [08:06:56] <panto> makes it impossible
  • [08:07:03] <felipebalbi> panto: to be frank even those ti,* are quite a brainfart
  • [08:07:11] <felipebalbi> and just because people want to keep the nonsensical hwmod around
  • [08:08:09] <panto> hwmod+omap device must die
  • [08:08:18] <panto> they are just crap
  • [08:08:38] <felipebalbi> I totally agree with you
  • [08:08:48] <felipebalbi> panto: did you see the patch I sent making hwmod and omap_device optional ? :-p
  • [08:08:53] <felipebalbi> it got quite some flame
  • [08:09:08] <panto> not optional, rm -rf * the fsckers
  • [08:09:37] * panto is ready for his angry playlist
  • [08:09:45] <felipebalbi> panto: :-)
  • [08:10:06] <felipebalbi> panto: we need to first make it optional so AMxxxx can prove that we can live without hwmod
  • [08:10:13] <felipebalbi> then convert the OMAP crap over
  • [08:10:19] <panto> I just don't get it why it's needed, especially for DT
  • [08:10:19] <felipebalbi> and get remove all that mess
  • [08:10:27] <felipebalbi> panto: it's not needed in any way
  • [08:10:41] <panto> ok, all I can see it do, is
  • [08:10:41] <felipebalbi> panto: IMHO that was a result of lack of understanding of Rafael's PM layer
  • [08:10:46] <tomba> I don't see how we can remove the hwmod from DT, as they are there already. so we need to keep them there "forever".
  • [08:10:48] <panto> a) control some kind of resets
  • [08:10:51] <tsjsieb> koen: you added the dietsplash_git recipe, did you ever use it as splash screen at boot?
  • [08:10:53] <felipebalbi> panto: also lack of understanding of drivers core
  • [08:11:15] <panto> b) provide resources for platform devices invisibly
  • [08:11:45] <panto> is there anything else?
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  • [08:13:56] <koen> tsjsieb: years ago
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  • [08:14:18] <koen> tsjsieb: the "fix 16 bit" commits are due to me reporting that bug
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  • [08:14:54] <tsjsieb> koen: are there better alternatives?
  • [08:15:24] <koen> tsjsieb: there's plymouth....
  • [08:15:25] <tsjsieb> koen: and question 2, how did you start it? not by init=/bin/dietsplash I guess?
  • [08:15:38] <koen> init=/bin/dietsplash
  • [08:15:54] <koen> things boot so fast now that I don't need a splash anymore :)
  • [08:16:47] <tsjsieb> thnx, than I'm probably doing something wrong with my nfs test, going to try again
  • [08:18:34] <panto> bah, heading out for a bit
  • [08:18:36] <tsjsieb> and koen, I didn't want the plymouth answer! ;)
  • [08:19:07] <av500> portsmouth?
  • [08:19:19] <av500> southampton?
  • [08:19:21] <koen> tsjsieb: nobody wants plymouth
  • [08:20:44] <tsjsieb> except mr Poettering I guess.
  • [08:21:18] <koen> not even him
  • [08:22:05] <av500> marketing wants a splash screen
  • [08:23:06] <mrpackethead> anyone know of a good low volume electronics assembler in Maylasia
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  • [08:30:27] <av500> http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04/25/beaglebone-black-vs-raspberry-pi-features-and-price-comparison/
  • [08:34:10] <jacekowski> well, what it says, is that bb is still useless for media center
  • [08:34:15] <keesj> "BBB fanboy"
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  • [08:40:19] <av500> jacekowski: true
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  • [08:40:44] <av500> its not even advertised as one
  • [08:41:03] <jacekowski> rpi isn't advertised as one either
  • [08:41:13] <av500> so?
  • [08:41:47] <tsjsieb> so it's clearly the better choise to buy both!
  • [08:42:14] <tsjsieb> then you can always decide which one to through out of the window
  • [08:42:26] <tsjsieb> (which will be the rpi off-course)
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  • [08:47:47] <dm8tbr> the rPI is based on a setTopBox/MediaCenter SoC, that in some small corner also has a maintenance core that could have beeen made to boot Linux. big surprise...
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  • [08:57:39] <jacekowski> thing is, you can get odroid-u2 for not much more
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  • [08:57:44] <jacekowski> and it's much better hardware
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  • [08:59:02] <tsjsieb> only much less community, and that could be word something as well (maybe not so much for most people here....)
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  • [09:00:35] <jacekowski> well, it runs linux as well
  • [09:00:40] <jacekowski> and that's all matters in the end
  • [09:05:10] <tsjsieb> for you and for me that is, but I guess not for the totally inexperienced people who just found out that it's possible to program / script something yourself on a device
  • [09:05:35] <panto> jacekowski, as long as you only use the board as is, and don't want to build a product based on it
  • [09:07:38] <tsjsieb> they need a place to copy-paste from
  • [09:07:47] <fiola> 20 years from now there's going to be a special term for pseudo-programmers who were exposed to a bit of Python on the RPi as kids and became software engineers ... who know almost nothing but think they're experts.
  • [09:08:00] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [09:08:22] <mrpackethead> though, theres a space for python
  • [09:08:31] <mrpackethead> anyone remember perl?
  • [09:08:58] <mrpackethead> coudl never udnerstand why perl book had a camel on the front
  • [09:08:59] <mrpackethead> :-0)
  • [09:09:02] <fiola> Python's great, it's not the language that's the issue, it's the lack of background and low level understanding.
  • [09:09:33] <fiola> And Perl's great too. Horses for courses and hammers and nails and all that.
  • [09:09:57] <panto> perl's fine for what it does
  • [09:10:15] <panto> just don't try to use it for anything big, or with more than one developer
  • [09:10:31] <panto> same for any kind of scripting language really
  • [09:11:42] <mrpackethead> when i went to school, they were teaching basic
  • [09:11:46] <mrpackethead> grrr.
  • [09:12:00] <mrpackethead> however.. I was'nt
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  • [09:15:08] <fiola> Even original BASIC had a useful place, although not for writing programs. Binding low level routines to be callable from BASIC made it a very good engineering test harness in its time.
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  • [09:36:16] <ka6sox-farfarawa> mourning
  • [09:36:39] <KotH> moin
  • [09:36:42] <panto> mourning indeed
  • [09:36:43] <KotH> how was the hike?
  • [09:36:49] <ka6sox-farfarawa> still here
  • [09:37:00] <ka6sox-farfarawa> but it is wet tonight
  • [09:37:03] <ka6sox-farfarawa> raining a bit
  • [09:41:15] <KotH> ka6sox-farfarawa: keep the rain, we keep our sun ;)
  • [09:43:18] <ka6sox-farfarawa> heh
  • [09:43:36] <ka6sox-farfarawa> you can have the rain..we didn't get much this season
  • [09:43:41] <KotH> mrpackethead: the camel on the book came to be, because oreilly didnt have the money to buy real art for their books (they were really small back then) so, they used old engravings as book covers
  • [09:43:54] <KotH> mrpackethead: and for some reason, the one they choose for perl was a camel
  • [09:44:03] <mrpackethead> funny
  • [09:44:09] <mrpackethead> becuase its always stuck in my mind.
  • [09:44:19] <KotH> it's also known as the camel book
  • [09:44:21] <KotH> and the lama book
  • [09:44:24] <KotH> :)
  • [09:44:27] <mrpackethead> yes, it is.
  • [09:44:28] <KotH> llama...
  • [09:44:37] <mrpackethead> Whats on teh front of the bind boo
  • [09:45:05] <KotH> http://akamaicovers.oreilly.com/images/9780596100575/cat.gif
  • [09:45:08] <mrpackethead> and whats on the front of the beagle-boom
  • [09:45:13] <mrpackethead> book.
  • [09:45:14] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [09:45:23] <KotH> there is a beagle book
  • [09:45:25] <KotH> ?
  • [09:45:33] <panto> yes
  • [09:45:39] <panto> don't know how up-to-date is
  • [09:46:25] <KotH> not available.. not even on amazon
  • [09:46:38] <av500> only on preorder from farnell
  • [09:46:42] <av500> like a beagle
  • [09:47:21] <KotH> with a publishing date of 2011?
  • [09:49:12] <ka6sox-farfarawa> with Farnell...who knows!
  • [09:49:39] <koen> felipebalbi: package sent, takes about a week
  • [09:50:27] <felipebalbi> koen: thanks mate :-)
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  • [09:50:46] <runn> hey guys !
  • [09:50:56] <panto> felipebalbi, any objections in fixing gpmc the right way
  • [09:51:13] <panto> it will be quite different that what's right now...
  • [09:51:18] <felipebalbi> panto: me ? none :-) difficult is getting the other folks to accept
  • [09:51:38] <panto> meh
  • [09:51:55] <runn> BeagleBone Black does h.264 ?
  • [09:52:17] <felipebalbi> panto: to me we should throw away any piece of code which hasn't received anything other than compile fixes and/or API changes in the last 2 months
  • [09:52:17] <panto> there's no h/w accelerator for it if that what you're asking
  • [09:52:19] <felipebalbi> start from scratch
  • [09:52:32] <felipebalbi> would be much easier to mv gpmc /dev/null
  • [09:52:34] <felipebalbi> and start fresh
  • [09:52:44] <felipebalbi> similar would be valid to a bunch of other drivers
  • [09:52:47] <panto> I would re-use code, but I wouldn't make it work like this
  • [09:52:49] <felipebalbi> MUSB included :-p
  • [09:52:55] <panto> yeah...
  • [09:53:02] <panto> musb...
  • [09:53:04] <felipebalbi> (god I hate that crap :s)
  • [09:53:05] * panto shuddes
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  • [09:53:09] <panto> *shadders
  • [09:53:16] <mrpackethead> i was just joking about beagle-book
  • [09:53:18] <mrpackethead> but there is one?
  • [09:53:20] <panto> why is it so damn complicated
  • [09:53:32] <KotH> a homage for all the hardworking people here: http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-04-25/ :-)
  • [09:53:34] <felipebalbi> panto: heh, because TI decided to ship mentor's original reference driver
  • [09:53:37] <felipebalbi> panto: and nokia accepted
  • [09:53:42] <panto> I know the h/w is a bit wonky
  • [09:53:45] <felipebalbi> panto: that was around 2.6.16
  • [09:53:57] <panto> but there's somewhat broken h/w with acceptable drivers for it
  • [09:54:06] <felipebalbi> panto: when I joined INdT (back in Brazil) we just had to make the shit work
  • [09:54:10] <mrpackethead> why do a bunch of people want to turn beagles into media cetners
  • [09:54:25] <felipebalbi> mrpackethead: because they can ?
  • [09:54:28] <felipebalbi> :-p
  • [09:54:31] <panto> mrpackethead, cause it's own application most people are familiar with
  • [09:54:33] <KotH> because entertainment is the thing that drives the world
  • [09:54:44] <panto> s/entertainment/sex/g
  • [09:54:50] <panto> fixed it for you
  • [09:54:54] <KotH> mrpackethead: after you have enough to eat, good sex, the next step is to have fun
  • [09:55:01] <mrpackethead> right.
  • [09:55:26] <felipebalbi> panto: then I moved to Nokia and the job continued. TUSB6010... still gives me creeps
  • [09:55:31] <mrpackethead> i'd be sorely bored if i relied on a media center for fun.
  • [09:55:44] <KotH> mrpackethead: you are not joe average
  • [09:55:50] <felipebalbi> panto: my wife already got used to my night terrors when I have nightmares about TUSB6010 :-p
  • [09:55:53] <panto> KotH, many geeks skips the middle part while they're young... I know I did
  • [09:55:56] <panto> felipebalbi, lol
  • [09:56:21] <panto> same thing with mine... "why can't you sleep, are you still thinking about work?"
  • [09:56:25] <KotH> mrpackethead: joe average looks like mrpackethead, drinks lots of beer, either with friends or infront of his tv... often both
  • [09:56:29] <mrpackethead> for fun, a fishing rod is much more interesting than watching crap tv
  • [09:56:35] <felipebalbi> panto: been there, done that :-)
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  • [09:56:55] * panto wonders if it's too late to open a beach-bar on an island somewhere
  • [09:57:02] <KotH> panto: you were handicaped... you didnt have facebook ;)
  • [09:57:11] <felipebalbi> panto: beach-bar in Greece ? that'd be cool
  • [09:57:19] <mrpackethead> even if tv came with 1 billion ziga pixels... it would just be high resolution crap
  • [09:57:21] <panto> it is during summer
  • [09:57:23] <felipebalbi> panto: just avoid Mikonos (if that's spelled right) :-p
  • [09:57:31] <panto> then you have to find a way to survive winter :)
  • [09:57:40] <mrpackethead> crap is crap, irrispective of its resolution.
  • [09:57:43] <felipebalbi> panto: nothing compares to Finland however
  • [09:57:48] <KotH> panto: move farther south :)
  • [09:58:01] <panto> felipebalbi, nah, it's cool there too... you don't have to get into the 'scene' if you know what I mean
  • [09:58:05] <panto> it's just too expensive
  • [09:58:10] <mrpackethead> in fact, can i just have TV that is a single pixel, in 1 bit color
  • [09:58:13] <felipebalbi> panto: right :-)
  • [09:58:21] <panto> cheaper places, which are arguably better too
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  • [09:59:33] <felipebalbi> panto: there's a TV show called "My Greek Kitchen". The Host (Tonia Braxton or something) and she visits these small islands in greece where they make fresh cheese
  • [09:59:36] <felipebalbi> awesome
  • [09:59:56] <felipebalbi> brb, lunch
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  • [10:01:14] <panto> koen, are you around?
  • [10:01:33] <panto> I'm having trouble figuring out things on the beaglecamera schematic
  • [10:03:10] <panto> the schematic has no cape connectors, but two 15x2 headers...
  • [10:03:16] <av500> runn: define "does"
  • [10:03:21] <av500> it has no HW decoder
  • [10:05:15] <panto> koen, nm, found the info
  • [10:05:28] <Turl> morning
  • [10:06:11] <panto> away for a bit
  • [10:12:20] <koen> panto: I'm here again
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  • [10:17:46] <koen> panto: there's the cape formfactor board with the QL chip and there cameraboard with the sensor and the can EEPROM
  • [10:18:13] <koen> panto: the double 2x15 is for senser+eeprom -> capeboard
  • [10:18:24] <koen> and it's double so you can flip the sensor around
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  • [12:30:59] <av500> KotH: scope has usb floppy now :)
  • [12:31:23] <av500> or rather floppy usb
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  • [12:33:53] <letothe2nd> av500: what does a periscope need usb for?
  • [12:42:46] <av500> letothe2nd: ask the Kaleu
  • [12:43:20] <letothe2nd> av500: will do, once i find again my long lost dvd of "das boot 2 - eine mannschaft kehrt zur??ck"
  • [12:46:13] <KotH> av500: pics! :)
  • [12:46:26] <av500> soon
  • [12:46:33] <av500> I need to dremel it, its a tad too long
  • [12:46:37] <av500> but first I need to eat
  • [12:46:42] <av500> (somebody)
  • [12:46:51] * KotH points at panto
  • [12:46:54] <av500> nah
  • [12:46:56] <KotH> nobody will miss a greek!
  • [12:47:05] <av500> I'm on a diet
  • [12:47:15] * KotH points at mru
  • [12:47:18] <KotH> low fat!
  • [12:47:28] <av500> indeed
  • [12:47:57] <av500> fun fact, we had to trial& error how the thing works coz the supplied info is of course for a different version
  • [12:48:14] <av500> its STMF32 based
  • [12:49:02] <KotH> ah.. you took it apart!
  • [12:49:24] <av500> well yes
  • [12:49:26] <av500> of course
  • [12:49:36] <mru> http://wondermark.com/tink8/
  • [12:49:56] <av500> indeed
  • [12:52:50] <mdp> heh, hannibal was right
  • [12:53:28] <av500> lecter?
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  • [12:53:56] <ogra_> lectures from lecter
  • [12:53:57] <av500> in greek streets?
  • [12:54:10] <panto> yes, but that's expected
  • [12:54:19] <panto> same as in german subs
  • [12:54:48] <mdp> ba dum bump
  • [12:54:55] <KotH> as long as nobody is running around naked, shouting "HEUREKA!"
  • [12:55:17] <panto> buoyancy is well understood now
  • [12:55:32] <av500> panto: you paid for the holes, you get them
  • [12:55:40] <av500> plugs are extra
  • [12:56:11] <panto> I'm sure there was some under the table money involved but I'm sure no german would stoop so low as to offer bribes right?
  • [12:56:43] <av500> of course not
  • [12:59:09] <panto> my kingdom for a 32MHz clock on clkout2
  • [13:00:34] <koen> rock out with your clock out
  • [13:00:38] <av500> asked a supplier to make some code compile that missed an include file, they fixed the issue in 2 ways: they provided the missing file AND they do not include it any more....
  • [13:00:44] <panto> nsfw!
  • [13:00:47] <mdp> I bought up all 32MHz clocks so I can demand a high price from panto
  • [13:01:26] <panto> the 3.2 kernel is filled with these kind of beauties: http://pastebin.com/AEBAiTdQ
  • [13:01:56] <av500> looks liks valid C code
  • [13:01:57] <panto> guess what's missing in 33xx clocks?
  • [13:01:58] <av500> like
  • [13:02:58] <mdp> clearly it needs s/SZ_4K/0x1000/
  • [13:03:02] <mdp> or 4096
  • [13:04:23] <mru> I never understood the purpose of those macros
  • [13:04:38] <mru> #define ONE 1
  • [13:04:55] <panto> mru, math are hard, let's go shopping
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  • [13:12:44] <KotH> moin alan_o
  • [13:13:00] <KotH> panto: shopping is hard as well... if you dont have money.. or shops
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  • [13:13:38] <panto> hey alan_o
  • [13:14:12] <alan_o> hey guys
  • [13:14:20] <alan_o> What's new around #beagle land today?
  • [13:14:36] <KotH> panto discovered that math is hard and wants to go shopping
  • [13:14:55] * panto drools on his keyboard
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  • [13:15:42] <KotH> panto: do you see sparks?
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  • [13:16:09] <alan_o> panto, KotH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO0cvqT1tAE
  • [13:16:11] <panto> no
  • [13:16:13] <alan_o> remember that one?
  • [13:16:18] <mdp> adds #define ONE 1 to his register defines on mru's suggestion
  • [13:16:25] <KotH> alan_o: i dont watch youtube at work
  • [13:16:34] <alan_o> KotH: good policy
  • [13:17:04] <KotH> alan_o: unless you tell me that video is work related ;)
  • [13:17:10] <mdp> #define FOO (ONE << 18)
  • [13:17:14] <alan_o> There was a barbie doll back 15-20 years or so ago that said "math class is tough" when you pull the string. I thought panto could relate :)
  • [13:17:21] <alan_o> vid is ^^
  • [13:17:51] <mdp> alan_o, lol
  • [13:17:57] <alan_o> it got people worked up about girls in math(s)/science.
  • [13:18:10] <mdp> it's a conspiracy
  • [13:18:19] <av500> constipacy
  • [13:18:24] * mdp throws out his daughter's barbies
  • [13:18:32] <av500> +1
  • [13:18:32] <alan_o> constituency
  • [13:19:24] <mdp> anybody remember the old commercial product that allowed one to write C++ kernel drivers via some framework?
  • [13:19:34] <mdp> google is failing me
  • [13:19:35] <alan_o> mdp: Jungo
  • [13:19:36] <KotH> alan_o: fun fact: the percentage of women in science/engineering has been 10-20% higher in turkey than in the us :)
  • [13:19:39] * av500 uses it daily
  • [13:19:40] <mdp> alan_o, ahh, yes!
  • [13:20:02] <alan_o> mdp: I only came aware of it last week. A legacy system at the simulator place uses it.
  • [13:20:18] <mdp> alan_o, I have the J-company of the day, Jolla stuck in my brain and couldn't get past those syllables
  • [13:20:24] <mdp> thx
  • [13:20:31] <mdp> av500, oh yeah, any good?
  • [13:20:41] <alan_o> mdp: np :)
  • [13:21:07] <mdp> it seems like they've been around for a long time as I thought I recall them from early 2000s/MV timeframe
  • [13:21:25] <alan_o> yeah, that's when this driver is from
  • [13:21:33] <mdp> ok
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  • [13:22:03] <av500> mdp: its awesome, keeps the desk from tilting
  • [13:22:06] <alan_o> They're still around though. I tried to get an updated version, and they'll give you one, but it's not source compatible with the old stuff, afaict.
  • [13:22:08] <mdp> heh
  • [13:22:14] <mru> KotH: any place that isn't europe or north america has more women doing tech stuff
  • [13:22:31] <mru> probably because they weren't "taught" they shouldn't
  • [13:22:31] <mdp> less barbies
  • [13:22:35] <av500> east europe has too
  • [13:22:49] <mru> quite possibly
  • [13:22:54] <alan_o> mru: I don't know who teaches them they shouldn't in the US, but somehow they're getting that message.
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  • [13:23:09] <mru> I don't think anyone is consciously doing it
  • [13:23:12] <alan_o> mru: it's not the schools, I blame the mothers :)
  • [13:23:21] <mdp> imho, the entire .us culture is brainwashed into "math is hard"
  • [13:23:29] <mru> it's more of a self-reinforcing situation
  • [13:23:40] <Crofton|work> we've gotta save the children!
  • [13:23:44] <mru> nobody has a friend who's mom is an engineer
  • [13:23:49] <av500> maybe rpi can help here?
  • [13:24:04] <mru> only in britian
  • [13:24:10] <mru> +spelling
  • [13:24:19] <agmlego> mru: I do.
  • [13:24:45] <av500> my mom's an engineer
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  • [13:25:06] <mru> my mom was an engineer, but I don't think any of my friends' moms were
  • [13:25:19] <av500> and I never played with barbies!
  • [13:25:21] <alan_o> There's a lot of BS in school when I was there about "you could be president." I think that's dumb. Statistically speaking, nobody's going to be president. Instead we should be telling them, "you could be a scientist."
  • [13:25:23] <av500> so it works!
  • [13:25:33] <av500> alan_o: yuck
  • [13:25:36] <alan_o> av500: QED
  • [13:25:41] <av500> cant I by rich instead?
  • [13:25:45] <av500> be
  • [13:25:52] * mru would not mind being rich
  • [13:25:55] <agmlego> alan_o: I think that is what FIRST is for. ;-P
  • [13:26:02] <mru> then again, I'm not spending the money I do have...
  • [13:26:04] <alan_o> no, rich people are bad, they need to pay their fair share.
  • [13:26:12] <alan_o> mru: +1
  • [13:26:24] <mdp> being rich will make you *evil* like a vendor tree
  • [13:26:27] <mru> because if I did, I'd never get rich
  • [13:26:31] <av500> mru: you need a girlfriend
  • [13:26:43] <mru> but she'd spend my money
  • [13:26:44] <mdp> and engineer girlfriend?
  • [13:26:45] <mdp> s/and/an/
  • [13:26:49] <mdp> +1
  • [13:26:50] <panto> that will take care of your riches in no time
  • [13:26:55] <mdp> hehe
  • [13:27:15] <ogra_> an engineer girlfriend will just take your gadgets
  • [13:27:21] <mdp> panto, your SO just support your lavish FOSS lifestyle
  • [13:27:21] <alan_o> mru: that's basically the premise of "The Millionaire next door," that people who become millionaires don't do it by spending a lot of money in flashy ways. Apparently stating the obvious gets you a bestselling book.
  • [13:27:22] <mru> I don't know many engineer girls
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  • [13:27:50] <mdp> mru, and we've come full circle
  • [13:27:59] <jackmitchell> I think we had 4 girls in our engineer year of ~150
  • [13:28:03] <av500> mru: eastern europe it is for you then
  • [13:28:12] <av500> or turkey
  • [13:28:18] <mru> I know a few girls from eastern europe
  • [13:28:21] <mru> none of them engineers
  • [13:28:58] <mdp> jackmitchell, 4 females in my EE department at uni..I'm told nothing has changed
  • [13:29:23] <alan_o> There needs to be a "can-do" movement (wrt STEM) among women/girls that isn't standard feminism. Standard feminism turns girls/women off, at least the way it is in the US.
  • [13:29:47] <jackmitchell> mdp: yeah, this was only 2 years ago, so I doubt it's changed much
  • [13:30:10] <alan_o> I guess I'm saying, feminism without the chip on the shoulder about it.
  • [13:30:31] <mdp> alan_o, the interesting thing is that the orgs like SWE and the Unis have been begging for women for 20+ years and it hasn't changed much. definitely missing a key factor
  • [13:30:33] <mru> imo they should stop insisting on tech women getting special treatment
  • [13:30:48] <mru> it's only reinforcing the "we're different" mentality
  • [13:30:55] <alan_o> mru: +1
  • [13:31:18] <mdp> mru, yes, our SWE and minority engineering "clubs" had free tutoring at the Uni
  • [13:31:18] <agmlego> So...like FIRST.
  • [13:31:19] <alan_o> mdp: yes, they're begging, but at that point it's too late.
  • [13:31:31] <mdp> mru, basically had separate orgs from everybody else
  • [13:31:35] <panto> guys, perhaps our profession is not that attractive to women you know
  • [13:31:43] <alan_o> mdp: separate but equal?
  • [13:31:46] <panto> amazing, but true
  • [13:31:54] <mdp> alan_o, heh
  • [13:32:06] <mdp> panto, due to conditioning
  • [13:32:12] <panto> girls don't like to be stuck in a cubicle
  • [13:32:16] <mru> perhaps engineering is inherently less appealing to women on average
  • [13:32:19] <mdp> the game is lost by the time careers/majors are being considered
  • [13:32:22] <panto> they are usually more people oriented
  • [13:32:22] <mru> just like nursing doesn't appeal to men
  • [13:32:38] <mdp> panto, in my world, engineering is people oriented
  • [13:32:40] <mru> panto: _nobody_ likes to be stuck in a cubicle
  • [13:32:49] <alan_o> mru: I do
  • [13:32:57] <mru> then you're a nobody
  • [13:33:00] <alan_o> I mean I prefer an office with a door that closes :)
  • [13:33:08] <panto> yeah, but what are the chances you get to be stuck in one at least at your first years at work
  • [13:33:18] <mdp> does anybody set out to become a saleperson as a young lad/lady?
  • [13:33:25] <agmlego> mdp: Yes.
  • [13:33:31] <mdp> "when I grow up, I want to be a salesperson"
  • [13:33:32] <panto> yep
  • [13:33:33] <mru> I had an office with a door at my first job after uni
  • [13:33:48] <panto> you don't count, you're scandinavian
  • [13:33:56] <mdp> agmlego, so I had a pretty sharp salesguy once tell me...no, nobody in sales ever planned on it ;)
  • [13:33:58] <agmlego> I had an office with no door for a while, then we hired like thirty people.
  • [13:33:59] <mru> that was indeed in norway
  • [13:34:09] <panto> see? :)
  • [13:34:11] <agmlego> mdp: Nobody s/he knew, mayhap.
  • [13:34:32] <agmlego> panto: I am not Scandiavian. ;-P
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  • [13:34:44] <panto> you're a statistical error then :)
  • [13:34:53] <mru> lego is scandinavian
  • [13:34:58] <mru> no idea what agm is
  • [13:35:04] <panto> the mushroom theory applies for engineering
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  • [13:35:16] <mru> what theory is that?
  • [13:35:20] <agmlego> panto: Mushrooms are tasty.
  • [13:35:29] <panto> 'keep them in the dark and feed them sh*t'
  • [13:35:35] <mdp> rinse well!
  • [13:35:51] <mru> that seems to be what they teach in management school
  • [13:35:53] <alan_o> batter and fry
  • [13:36:29] <mdp> one more day to friday
  • [13:36:41] <mru> and then another useless weekend
  • [13:36:47] <mdp> let's try to stay off-topic
  • [13:36:52] * panto 's eyes are seeing CLK_MUX everywhere
  • [13:37:01] <mdp> is it really there?
  • [13:37:05] <mdp> or burn-in?
  • [13:37:12] <panto> no clue
  • [13:37:37] <KotH> panto: i know a couple of girls who would have gone into engineering, hadnt their peers told them that "engineering isnt girlish"
  • [13:38:21] <panto> no-one ever said there are no exceptions
  • [13:38:31] <mdp> double double
  • [13:38:32] <panto> we're discussing about the majority
  • [13:40:03] <felipebalbi> finally back here
  • [13:40:14] <panto> felipebalbi, wb
  • [13:40:26] <panto> so how many women in engineering in .br ? :)
  • [13:40:28] <mdp> felipebalbi, home?
  • [13:40:54] <felipebalbi> mdp: yup
  • [13:41:13] <felipebalbi> panto: in .br ? not many
  • [13:41:28] <felipebalbi> panto: when I joined university (Electrical Engineering) we were 94 students, 4 girls
  • [13:41:29] <mdp> panto, I send my daughter to SWE stuff at the local Uni so she sees other women in engineering
  • [13:41:41] <felipebalbi> 89 ugly ass guys and gorgeous me
  • [13:41:41] <felipebalbi> heh
  • [13:41:49] <panto> mdp, your desperate attempts to make an engineer of your daughter are noted :)
  • [13:41:55] <mdp> panto, they have some outreach stuff that is useful
  • [13:42:45] <mdp> panto, not really...but she likes working on mindstorms together..so it's all about exposing to the wider world
  • [13:42:45] <felipebalbi> mdp: ain't it nice when I need to merge somebody else's tree because they can't solve conflicts by themselves ? :-p
  • [13:42:48] <mru> mdp: does she have the knack?
  • [13:43:12] <mdp> mru, she's curious and asks "why" and "how"..not sure yet
  • [13:43:25] <felipebalbi> mru: that's easy to figure out. Give her enough components and see if she builds a small ham-radio
  • [13:43:45] <mru> it happens with some regularity that I speak with women who clearly have at least some of the knack, yet are nowhere near engineering
  • [13:44:06] <mru> felipebalbi: or give her a radio and see if she takes it apart
  • [13:44:12] <mdp> mru, I know auto mechanics that would make great engineers..but culture told them math was too hard
  • [13:44:21] <felipebalbi> mru: yeah, but that's too easy.. :-p
  • [13:44:31] <mru> mdp: I bet they're great mechanics though
  • [13:44:47] <mdp> they can solve problems/debug/troubleshoot
  • [13:44:53] <mdp> yep
  • [13:45:00] <felipebalbi> mru: I guess my wife's got the knack. She built a working dimmer LED controller with an Arduino and a trimpot
  • [13:45:10] <felipebalbi> mru: but she doesn't want to play with geek-stuff anymore :-s
  • [13:45:23] <mdp> felipebalbi, baby! ;)
  • [13:45:32] <felipebalbi> mdp: heh ;)
  • [13:46:48] <mdp> felipebalbi, I should give you a pull request with conflicts to keep you busy
  • [13:46:56] <mdp> you sound idle!
  • [13:47:04] <felipebalbi> mdp: I'm not *that* idle :-p
  • [13:47:11] <felipebalbi> mdp: it's just that I'm awesomely productive :-p
  • [13:47:12] <mdp> heh
  • [13:47:13] <felipebalbi> heh
  • [13:48:09] <mdp> today's thought: you know you are at an all-time low when you are developing in a 2011.09 U-boot tree
  • [13:49:04] <felipebalbi> :-p
  • [13:49:06] <felipebalbi> brb
  • [13:49:51] <tsjsieb> 'heh' seems to be the 'lol' for beaglers, am I right?
  • [13:50:03] <tsjsieb> I like it, heh!
  • [13:50:08] <mdp> only when we aren't loling
  • [13:50:17] <av500> hah
  • [13:50:21] <mdp> heh
  • [13:50:25] <mdp> hoho
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  • [13:50:50] <av500> only when we are tr'lol'ing
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  • [13:51:38] <alan_o> mdp: there's lower than that. On one of my jobs lately, I'm working in Visual Studio 2005.
  • [13:52:27] <mdp> alan_o, you don't know how much better that makes me feel
  • [13:52:32] * av500 used windows XP today
  • [13:52:44] <mdp> alan_o, however, my target platform in a simulator running in a Windows 7 VM
  • [13:52:49] <mdp> s/in/is/
  • [13:53:21] <alan_o> mdp: happy to fuel your schadenfreude :)
  • [13:54:26] <alan_o> however, old u-boot + windows VM may be on par.
  • [13:54:40] <felipebalbi> mdp: heh
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  • [13:55:15] <mdp> alan_o, I love the smell of fresh hardware in the morning
  • [13:55:55] <alan_o> so long as it's not the smell of leaking smoke...
  • [13:55:58] <mdp> back to reading the sim manual
  • [13:56:21] <mdp> when it's not working, eventually you have to resort to the manual for #exactsteps
  • [13:56:50] <felipebalbi> mdp: usually it involves making an offering to the ancient alien gods
  • [13:57:28] <mdp> :)
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  • [14:13:22] <av500> http://www.ismytwitterpasswordsecure.com/
  • [14:13:40] <ogra_> lol
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  • [14:24:51] <gandaro> av500: i was just going to enter fake data :(
  • [14:25:12] <gandaro> and it says i should not
  • [14:25:15] <gandaro> that's mean!!
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  • [14:30:01] <lyakh> has anyone here perhaps used the musb_dsps USB OTG driver on an AM33xx system?
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  • [14:31:50] <BakingMilk> Hi
  • [14:32:35] <av500> hi
  • [14:32:42] <av500> lyakh: one musb not use it!
  • [14:33:10] <lyakh> av500: ? parse not able ;-)
  • [14:33:35] <av500> s/b/t/ :)
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  • [14:34:51] <lyakh> av500: ookeeey... that's encouraging :( any more context available, please?
  • [14:35:07] <sSagara> Yo
  • [14:35:53] <sSagara> Does anyone here know hot the bb black compares to the raspberry pi
  • [14:35:57] <av500> lyakh: musb is sadly in a state of constant "almost" worling
  • [14:36:21] <lyakh> av500: but nothing better is available?
  • [14:36:21] <av500> http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04/25/beaglebone-black-vs-raspberry-pi-features-and-price-comparison/
  • [14:36:27] <av500> sSagara: ^^^
  • [14:36:30] <av500> lyakh: better?
  • [14:36:33] <av500> not in this SoC
  • [14:36:44] <lyakh> av500: cool, thanks...
  • [14:37:36] <sSagara> Same memory
  • [14:37:44] <av500> true
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  • [14:38:16] <av500> sSagara: on short_
  • [14:38:21] <av500> sSagara: in short:
  • [14:38:24] <sSagara> The pi has two USB ports though
  • [14:38:36] <av500> if you want to install xbmc and pretend you have a computer, use a pi
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  • [14:38:51] <sSagara> And the bb black?
  • [14:38:53] <av500> if you want to learn/use embedded linux and connect stuff, use bone
  • [14:39:05] <sSagara> I use my pi for an Internet radio
  • [14:39:15] <sSagara> Hmm
  • [14:39:23] <mdp> I use my mobile phone for an internet radio
  • [14:39:39] <av500> for internet radio even the pi is overpowered
  • [14:39:40] <sSagara> I have a stereo I hooked it into
  • [14:39:54] <av500> yes
  • [14:39:55] <mdp> mpc823 is all you need, in fact
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  • [14:40:21] <av500> mdp: no trolling
  • [14:40:29] <mdp> kerbango ftw
  • [14:40:34] <sSagara> I have Mac running on auto and my iPhone running a Mac client
  • [14:40:45] <mdp> av500, trolling tomorrow?
  • [14:40:48] <av500> yes
  • [14:40:52] <av500> 2-4pm
  • [14:40:54] <av500> sharp
  • [14:40:55] <mdp> ok, then
  • [14:40:59] <sSagara> (Stupid auto correct)
  • [14:41:12] <mdp> 2-4pmish sharp, right!
  • [14:41:13] <sSagara> I have mpc running
  • [14:41:42] <sSagara> Thanks
  • [14:42:10] <av500> as said
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  • [14:43:37] <bradfa> ugt times?
  • [14:44:42] <av500> yes
  • [14:45:16] <tsjsieb> I think it's lik irc time, it's always morning when you come in, always night when you leave so I guess it's always between 2-4pm when trolling?
  • [14:45:36] <mdp> "it's always noon somewhere"
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  • [14:51:31] <terisk> I ordered a beaglebone black, looking forward to it!
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  • [14:52:28] <av500> good
  • [14:52:39] <bradfa> oh look, Ubuntu now has Mac and PC versions...
  • [14:52:45] <av500> koen really needs that 2nd Ferrari
  • [14:53:40] <tsjsieb> what kind is the first one?
  • [14:54:19] <tsjsieb> ( /me really thinks that was not a troll)
  • [14:54:23] <tsjsieb> ...
  • [14:54:38] <bradfa> f40 I think
  • [14:56:28] <av500> hard to say after he totalled it
  • [14:57:01] <bradfa> ooo, new version of gnu ed is out!
  • [14:57:22] <tsjsieb> someone parked a f360 (almost) in front of the office here..... it's saying 'look, you can never afford me!, ghehe! :(
  • [14:57:50] * bradfa goes to meetings for the rest of eternity
  • [14:58:00] <tsjsieb> And I think I would work on, untill I could aford an f40
  • [14:58:09] <tsjsieb> goodluck !
  • [14:58:14] <tsjsieb> we will remember you
  • [14:58:16] <tsjsieb> (maybe)
  • [14:58:50] * tsjsieb is going home
  • [14:58:51] <koen> my car goes onto the production line next week according to the dealer
  • [14:58:56] <koen> but it's not a ferrari :)
  • [14:59:13] <tsjsieb> and it won't feel like eternity I think
  • [14:59:25] <mru> koen: clint not paying you well?
  • [14:59:41] <koen> not well enough for 2 ferraris
  • [14:59:52] <av500> koen: what happened to the blue car?
  • [15:00:02] <mru> how much is a ferrari these days?
  • [15:00:02] <tsjsieb> koen: but it won't be a normal 'opel' (vauxhaul) either, if they tell you when it's going to be produced?
  • [15:00:27] <koen> vw golf
  • [15:00:34] <av500> meh
  • [15:00:38] <av500> how mundane
  • [15:01:58] <tsjsieb> and reliable, just like angstrom!
  • [15:02:16] <koen> av500: no trailer hitch, so it's "different"
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  • [15:03:22] <av500> right
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  • [15:15:49] <shoragan> koen, do you know where you picked up https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/commit/38a64b0ad5f7c9efd3a343f46f4e3c84d85f08c2 ?
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  • [15:19:26] <koen> shoragan: beagle mailinglist
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  • [15:19:47] <koen> there's a better patch according to TI, but that doesn't apply
  • [15:19:56] <koen> so I went with this one
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  • [15:22:01] <shoragan> koen, ah, found it
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  • [15:24:04] <av500> ifdef hell
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  • [15:37:42] <Stefan__> Hello :)
  • [15:38:39] <Stefan__> I was trying to compile a kernel module today and got a case of the "mach/memory.h: No such file or directory" Apparently that's not uncommon, but where do I get the headers from to solve this?
  • [15:39:19] <Stefan__> btw, the new site is a huge improvement! congrats on that!
  • [15:40:54] <dm8tbr> just a kernel module? not the whole kernel?
  • [15:41:08] <Stefan__> just a plug-in module yes
  • [15:41:59] <Stefan__> do you need any other info?
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  • [15:43:15] <dm8tbr> unless you are happy with 'the kernel source or headers'
  • [15:43:33] <dm8tbr> although I guess not many people here still compile single modules nowadays
  • [15:43:58] <mdp> Stefan__, <asm/memory.h>, but the driver sounds to be doing something very wrong
  • [15:45:02] <Stefan__> Well, I did not write it myself, it's a GPMC to FPGA FIFO driver
  • [15:45:14] <Stefan__> mdp: would you like to have a look at the code?
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  • [15:46:08] <Stefan__> https://github.com/fpga-logi/Logi-kernel/blob/master/beaglebone/modules/edma_fifo_module/logibone_edma_fifo.c
  • [15:47:40] <Stefan__> mdp: I'll try to compile with asm/memory.h, let's see
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  • [15:49:03] <mdp> did you remove mach/memory.h and see what is undefined?
  • [15:49:27] <Stefan__> Ok, it compiles (with a passing wrong argument warning) but it does
  • [15:49:31] <Stefan__> let me do that as well
  • [15:49:48] <mdp> yeah, I didn't see any use of the plat_phys stuff
  • [15:49:59] <mranostay> mourning-o
  • [15:50:05] <mdp> that's why I said "doing something wrong" as there would be no reason for that in a driver
  • [15:50:24] <Stefan__> mdp: yeah, I looked into the memory.h before compiling and it did not make sense to me either
  • [15:50:33] <Stefan__> it compiles with and without it with the same results
  • [15:50:52] <Stefan__> I'll go talk to the guy :D
  • [15:51:46] <Stefan__> Thanks a lot mdp! My brain is fried (my PhD defense is on Monday), should have figured this out by myself instead of bothering you :)
  • [15:52:00] <mdp> fifo mode edma transfers have very strict alignment restrictions
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  • [15:52:03] <letothe2nd> balcony+beer: mission accomplished! :)
  • [15:52:19] <mdp> you can achieve the same effect with incr mode and 0 increment
  • [15:52:44] <mdp> but I wouldn't touch working code ;)
  • [15:53:00] * dm8tbr plays with new hardware
  • [15:53:01] <Stefan__> mdp: I understand the rest of the driver, but the edma stuff -- I'm just a n00b
  • [15:53:18] <Stefan__> so I dare not touch it :)
  • [15:54:25] <Stefan__> I am going to go for that beer + balcony idea :)
  • [15:54:33] <Stefan__> thanks yet again guys!
  • [15:54:34] <Stefan__> :)
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  • [15:54:49] <mranostay> dm8tbr: which i?
  • [15:54:51] <mranostay> *is?
  • [15:55:02] <dm8tbr> mranostay: something you'll like
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  • [15:57:15] <letothe2nd> hm?
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  • [16:16:08] <Martin_> Hello everyone, I have a small question: How powerful is the BeagleBone Black, compared to the BeagleBoard-xM, when it comes to computational intensive software?
  • [16:16:22] <fester> 4
  • [16:16:27] <mdp> 11
  • [16:16:33] <mru> 26
  • [16:16:33] <fester> 4-11
  • [16:16:35] <Martin_> (I am thinking of the SNES project and the XBMC project - do they have any chance to run?)
  • [16:16:57] <fester> buncha smart asses in here
  • [16:17:27] <mdp> 11.3.3.2.2
  • [16:17:29] <thurbad> they can both go at 1GHz
  • [16:17:37] <mdp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps47MOHF9x8
  • [16:17:40] <thurbad> neither has floting point...
  • [16:17:47] <thurbad> floating
  • [16:17:50] <mru> uh?
  • [16:17:55] <ogra_> heh ?
  • [16:17:55] <mru> you trolling?
  • [16:18:16] <thurbad> which part?
  • [16:18:36] <mru> float
  • [16:19:04] <mdp> heh
  • [16:19:08] <Martin_> mdp: Thanks for the link!
  • [16:19:09] <thurbad> does the am335 on the black have hardware floats?
  • [16:19:23] <ogra_> both do
  • [16:20:00] <mdp> only if you count the arm core
  • [16:20:08] <mdp> the prus don't have floating point
  • [16:20:09] <thurbad> without using neon?
  • [16:20:14] <fester> i can't remember the last processor without a floating point
  • [16:20:14] <mdp> ;)
  • [16:20:31] <mru> I have an arm926 somewhere around here
  • [16:20:34] <mru> no hw float on that
  • [16:20:48] * ogra_ has an nslu2
  • [16:21:00] <ogra_> definitely no hw float on that
  • [16:21:25] * mdp wonders about the point of this
  • [16:21:37] <mru> it's floating
  • [16:21:49] <fester> hyuk
  • [16:21:53] <ogra_> hard ...
  • [16:22:00] <mdp> bitbanging
  • [16:22:10] <letothe2nd> hard bitbanging?
  • [16:22:44] <Martin_> To rephrase my question: Does the Linux desktop run equally smooth on BeagleBone Black and BeagleBoard-xM
  • [16:22:48] <Martin_> ?
  • [16:23:02] <ogra_> which desktop
  • [16:23:09] <Martin_> Any one, really
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  • [16:24:01] <letothe2nd> a bash running screen/tmux is equally performant, so yes.
  • [16:25:26] <shapr> I like boyobu ( http://byobu.co/ ) it works with either or
  • [16:25:52] <Martin_> Some might say tmux lacks too many of the desktop metaphors to be called a desktop..
  • [16:27:13] <shapr> Martin_: I'm able to run graphical applications from my raspberry pi. I'm using ssh -X so they appear on my Linux desktop. The Beagle boards all have more CPU horsepower than the Pi, so ssh -X usage should be fine.
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  • [16:27:45] <shapr> Martin_: Do you have a specific use in mind?
  • [16:29:09] <shapr> Ah, I see you mentioned SNES and XBMC. If you want to play 1080p video, I'd suggest the Raspberry Pi, it has a more powerful graphics processor.
  • [16:29:32] <shapr> But I want a beagleboard because it has lots more pins available, and it fits into an Altoids tin :-)
  • [16:29:33] <Martin_> I just ordered my first Beagle, the BeagleBone Black. Among other things, I am thinking of putting it into the case of my old (broken) SNES, install an emulator on it, and see if it runs
  • [16:29:41] <shapr> Martin_: Oh that sounds cool!
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  • [16:30:19] <shapr> Martin_: the bbb has lots of pins, I bet you can connect your controllers too!
  • [16:30:48] <Martin_> Ohh! Great idea! I was thinking of converting the controllers to USB, but your idea sounds like more fun!
  • [16:31:03] <panto> lots of pins...
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  • [16:31:30] <shapr> panto: compared to the GPIO pins on the Pi or an Arduino, yah
  • [16:31:41] <Martin_> Plus, I could use the old connectors...
  • [16:31:49] <shapr> Right, that would be especially cool.
  • [16:32:06] <shapr> Were the SNES controllers analog?
  • [16:32:11] * shapr googles around
  • [16:32:11] <CareBear\> no
  • [16:32:59] <shapr> CareBear\: In that case, should work nicely with all the GPIO pins on the bbb
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  • [16:33:48] <CareBear\> what do you want to do with the controller in the end?
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  • [16:35:45] <Martin_> CareBear: Play the game!
  • [16:36:18] <Martin_> Hmm, looking at the dimensions, the board should even fit into an old cartridge. The ultimate, golden cartridge.
  • [16:37:36] <shapr> Martin_: How will you switch games?
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  • [16:43:35] <Martin_> shapr: The BeagleSNES boots into a GUI-frontend, where you can switch between games using your controller. The project - as is - expects USB controllers.
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  • [16:44:25] <Martin_> Hmm... Lots of things to think about! Unfortunately, I have to run - thanks everyone, for your input!
  • [16:46:22] <CareBear\> Martin_ : just get an NXP LPC11U24 to turn the gamepad into USB
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  • [17:27:20] <Posterdati> hi
  • [17:27:53] <Posterdati> I've got problem with mcspi2 and dm3730, cannot make cs0 working
  • [17:28:18] <Posterdati> shall I configure the corrisponding gpio from uboot?
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  • [17:57:57] <mranostay> _av500__: you have a 35mm camera somewhere? :)
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  • [17:58:40] <mru> he has more than one
  • [17:58:40] * mranostay wonders how much 35mm film costs now
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  • [18:00:27] <mranostay> mru: i saw someone with an actual film camera the other day probably the first time in like 5 years i've seen that :P
  • [18:01:08] <emeb> must have been a cave man
  • [18:01:11] <emeb> or a luddite
  • [18:01:41] <mru> or av500
  • [18:02:48] <mranostay> not unless av500 can pull off a middle age short asian lady disguise
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  • [18:02:59] <mru> you'd be surprised
  • [18:03:12] <panto> -EMINDBLEACH
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  • [18:05:53] <mranostay> panto: don't be a baby
  • [18:06:18] <mranostay> so refresh my memory boost converter with no load is a bad idea correct?
  • [18:06:20] <panto> I become one when I imagine av500 dressed in a old lady disguise
  • [18:06:40] <mranostay> panto: i said middle age for the record
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  • [18:08:15] <mdp> mranostay, you're sorta on vacation now, eh?
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  • [18:12:00] <mranostay> i wouldn't call it a vacation
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  • [18:12:49] <chupacabra> I just ordered a black. When can I really expect to see it?
  • [18:13:01] <mru> when it arrives
  • [18:13:09] <chupacabra> lol nice
  • [18:13:11] <chupacabra> heheh
  • [18:13:27] <zamn> does anyone know the best way to contact jkridner about gsoc information? I've been trying irc for the past couple of days but it seems we don't go on at the same time :x.
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  • [18:14:05] <terisk> chupacabra: my element14 order says estimated shipping on 5/13...not sure how reliable that is
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  • [18:14:17] <chupacabra> this channel got a bot? You could leave him your email or whatever
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  • [18:14:37] <zamn> client crash -_-
  • [18:15:02] <chupacabra> terisk, ya i ordered from them. Something about June I saw.
  • [18:16:36] <chupacabra> does everyone here have a pi?
  • [18:16:43] <mranostay> zamn: probably at DesignWest getting swamped
  • [18:16:46] <chupacabra> or two
  • [18:16:51] <mranostay> chupacabra: or zero
  • [18:16:59] <chupacabra> hehe
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  • [18:17:23] <zamn> mranostay: so what would be my best bet to get in contact with him before the application period ends? :x
  • [18:18:49] <chupacabra> supposed to apply for something and it doesnt have a email address?
  • [18:19:29] <chupacabra> they dont really want anybody I guess, or only those that can scheme a way in.
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  • [18:21:05] <mru> so get scheming
  • [18:22:02] <mranostay> mru: death ray cape?
  • [18:22:09] <mru> you're in
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  • [18:23:06] <koen> zamn: what about the beagleboard-gsoc mailinglist?
  • [18:24:23] <mranostay> mru: https://www.unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=27_82
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  • [18:25:06] <chupacabra> reading the getting started page. I WANT my beagle. hehe
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  • [18:30:40] <chupacabra> got my invoice and it says shipping 5/13 wheeeee.
  • [18:31:52] <chupacabra> where they make them? sure they make a coupla hundred a day?
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  • [18:41:29] <woglinde> so lets see 13.04
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  • [18:46:20] <mranostay> mru: thoughts on the new ubuntu release? :P
  • [18:46:42] <mru> meh
  • [18:47:28] <woglinde> I thought mru has its own linux from scratc
  • [18:47:29] <woglinde> h
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  • [18:48:03] <dm8tbr> is it called "meh'ing mru"? ;)
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  • [18:48:58] <woglinde> hm 2000 packages to download
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  • [18:50:12] <mranostay> meh dist-upgrade
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  • [18:54:00] <dm8tbr> mranostay: new package manager or just an shell alias? ;)
  • [18:54:27] <mranostay> does it matter?
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  • [18:55:18] <woglinde> with my crappy 2 mbit line it will last a while
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  • [18:56:17] <mranostay> woglinde: where you live?
  • [18:57:09] <woglinde> germany
  • [18:57:42] <woglinde> berlin and yes there are places you do not get better and LTE I do not like
  • [18:58:48] <mru> and I thought internet in the uk sucked
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  • [18:59:28] <mranostay> sucks in the Bay Area for sure
  • [18:59:31] <woglinde> and It is really funny to get commercial with vdsl
  • [19:00:45] <mdp> the urban .us folks insult me for only being able to get 50mbps/5mbps in my locale
  • [19:00:50] <mdp> "how can you survive?!?"
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  • [19:02:07] <mranostay> heh
  • [19:02:28] <woglinde> hm lets see maybee I can get a faster line now
  • [19:02:31] * mranostay hopes portland is more sane with internet speeds
  • [19:02:52] <mdp> mranostay, anywhere without google fiber is left behind ;)
  • [19:03:51] <woglinde> intressting now they claim I can get the 50mbiz
  • [19:03:53] <mranostay> not moving to Austin or other crappy places they have it :)
  • [19:04:10] <mdp> mranostay, I mean, you might have to leave the house and see people f2f..etc.
  • [19:04:13] <mranostay> like who lives in Kansas City for instance on purpose :)
  • [19:04:21] <mru> rednecks
  • [19:04:26] <mdp> yeah!
  • [19:04:29] <mdp> "those people"
  • [19:05:09] <mdp> mranostay, the people that live there are raising the next generation of kids to move away to the bay area etc.
  • [19:05:15] <mdp> mranostay, sorta like my area ;)
  • [19:06:09] <mranostay> Ohio the state with zero jobs :)
  • [19:07:02] <mdp> perception is everything
  • [19:07:04] <mdp> stay out
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  • [19:08:53] <mdp> mranostay, looking at these early BBB articles..I keep hoping to see somebody demo a PRU app on one of those A4s ;)
  • [19:08:58] <fester> fewer skilled workers means the workers that are present get paid more
  • [19:09:27] <mranostay> heh
  • [19:09:31] <mdp> a nice theory
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  • [19:09:49] <mranostay> fester: except you have 50 people applying for the same engineering job :)
  • [19:09:50] <fester> what's the alternative?
  • [19:10:12] <mranostay> since usually anyone applying for that job is 'stuck' in the area and they know it
  • [19:10:17] <mdp> so like everywhere..there's tech companies..it works like most other ones
  • [19:10:26] <mdp> a lot of s/w is outsourced
  • [19:10:27] <djk_> Does anyone know if there is a 1G RAM version planned?
  • [19:11:20] <mdp> a particular startup I know with a need for specific control theory feedback loop experience had to hire engineers in the bay area..couldn't get those with 15+ year experience to relocate
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  • [19:11:47] <mdp> they had their 4-5 core people at local HQ..but couldn't expand locally
  • [19:11:57] <mdp> you can get all the freshouts you want
  • [19:13:00] <mranostay> mdp: relocate from the bay area you mean?
  • [19:13:18] <mdp> or another concentrated area that had people with that specific experience
  • [19:15:25] <mdp> mranostay, there's one too for a 802.11/linux person..and they advertise "can be located anywhere worldwide"
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  • [20:21:48] <mgreci> hello Im looking for the CAD files/specs in order to create a cape for the beaglebone
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  • [20:25:36] <Russ> mgreci, check the beaglebone srm
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  • [20:27:34] <ka6sox> moaning
  • [20:27:44] <panto> hi ka6sox
  • [20:28:38] <ka6sox> hiya panto
  • [20:28:59] <ka6sox> slept 1/2 the day away...anything happen?
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  • [20:29:13] <woglinde> hi ka6sox
  • [20:29:20] <woglinde> 600 packages to go
  • [20:29:25] <panto> north korea attacked
  • [20:29:30] <panto> LA is gone
  • [20:29:50] <ka6sox> is that what that Glow was last night...
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  • [20:30:03] <mru> panto: just don't say that on twitter
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  • [20:30:08] <mru> unless you want to ruin the economy
  • [20:30:11] <ka6sox> panto, saves me a trip tomoorrow...
  • [20:30:13] <panto> I'm not reuters
  • [20:30:19] <agmlego> Or do, and watch the hilarious consequences.
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  • [20:30:38] <mru> agmlego: let me move my money to a safe place first
  • [20:30:52] <agmlego> mru: There are no safe places.
  • [20:31:04] <ka6sox> agmlego, +1e99
  • [20:31:15] <mru> some are safer than others
  • [20:31:45] <agmlego> mru: Safety is an illusion perpetrated by those in power.
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  • [20:33:22] <mru> I figure precious metals are safer than hedge funds
  • [20:33:47] <mru> of course the value of gold is artificially inflated
  • [20:33:49] <agmlego> YOu figure wrong.
  • [20:34:30] <mru> commodities with real industrial value and a long shelf-life might be a better bet
  • [20:34:54] <agmlego> I suggest robots.
  • [20:35:14] <mru> it also depends on how dire a situation you're preparing for
  • [20:36:01] <ka6sox> solar flare
  • [20:36:14] <agmlego> mru: Nothing short of the total annhilation of the species, planet, and surrounding bodies.
  • [20:36:40] <mru> in that case I'll be dead along with the rest
  • [20:36:48] <mru> so I don't care about protecting my assets
  • [20:37:59] <agmlego> I do though.
  • [20:38:27] <mru> got an escape plan?
  • [20:38:45] <agmlego> Of course.
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  • [21:02:33] <_av500__> escape cape
  • [21:02:48] * panto pull the eject lever
  • [21:02:51] <panto> *pulls
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  • [21:04:44] <_av500_> there, now it's simple: http://linuxgizmos.com/arm-development-studio-adds-full-linux-support/
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  • [21:06:35] <mdp> is that like FullHD?
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  • [21:10:31] <mru> yeah, earlier it was just linux-ready
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  • [21:20:28] <ka6sox> panto, looks like rbarris survived...
  • [21:20:50] <ka6sox> (or his ghost)
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  • [21:23:09] <woglinde> 100 packages to go
  • [21:23:46] <ka6sox> woglinde, what are you working on today?
  • [21:25:42] <woglinde> updating
  • [21:25:50] <woglinde> ubuntu
  • [21:26:00] <ka6sox> oh
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  • [21:26:30] <ka6sox> given the length of time I thought you were emerging world
  • [21:27:54] <woglinde> only 2 mbit
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  • [21:34:13] <rbarris> what's up ka6sox ?
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  • [21:34:59] <TehRealGawd> Does the BeagleBoard Black have a microSD slot?
  • [21:35:11] <TehRealGawd> looked @ reviews and didn't see 1 I may just be overlooking it
  • [21:36:06] <panto> yes
  • [21:36:33] <ka6sox> rumours of the Demise of the OC are greatly exaggerated.
  • [21:38:09] <ka6sox> rbarris, moving slowly today.
  • [21:38:11] <mdp> Zalman is coming out with a cooling system so we can OC the PRUs
  • [21:38:21] <mdp> saw something on FB
  • [21:38:48] <ka6sox> LOL
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  • [21:40:41] <ka6sox> mdp, a while ago some folks were OC'ing 3430's and i watched the temps spike up to 68-70C on the internal temp monitor.
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  • [21:41:26] <ka6sox> fastest I saw a 3430 go was about 1.1Ghz(then it fell apart)
  • [21:42:49] <mdp> heh
  • [21:43:03] <ka6sox> OPP11
  • [21:44:10] <mdp> +1
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  • [21:45:00] <mdp> ka6sox, for when you are hardcore bitbanging at OPP10..and need to go just a bit faster
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  • [21:45:03] <mdp> turn it up
  • [21:45:29] <ka6sox> these were on some phones.
  • [21:46:43] <ka6sox> the 3630 was even better..I got mine to 1.2Ghz(for about 10 seconds)
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  • [22:15:58] <ka6sox> Turl, you here?
  • [22:18:14] <Turl> ka6sox: yep
  • [22:18:41] <ka6sox> looked @ the proposal....looks good.
  • [22:19:41] <ka6sox> did you put that on the ML? (or did I miss it?)
  • [22:20:00] <Turl> ka6sox: not the proposal itself, but I sent an early email some time ago
  • [22:20:08] <Turl> I didn't get any replies though
  • [22:21:02] <ka6sox> send this to the ML and ask for comments. I don't expect many comments on it...but thats kind of the next step.
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  • [22:22:50] <panto> 'night
  • [22:22:56] <ka6sox> nite panto
  • [22:23:22] <mranostay> panto: LATER!
  • [22:23:37] <Turl> I'll do that then, thanks ka6sox
  • [22:24:32] <ka6sox> yw, its a good proposal...and one that I'd like to work to get done :)
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