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  • [00:04:01] <thaha> Hi, I want to boot Angstrom only on the serial port. I have a Beagleboard xM rev C. I downloaded and followed steps from the angstrom-demo page.
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  • [00:04:15] <thaha> how to do this?
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  • [00:13:50] <ka6sox> mranostay, I'd like an R10 but I doubt its street legal in california
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  • [00:31:26] <thaha> hello?
  • [00:31:55] <prpplague> goodbye
  • [00:33:25] <alan_o> thaha: you represent the boilermakers well.
  • [00:33:41] <alan_o> what can we do for you?
  • [00:36:45] <jackbowen> hey there. I'm a prospective google summer of code student and I was just wondering if this was the place to run potential project ideas past mentors?
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  • [00:37:28] <ds2> sure
  • [00:37:28] <alan_o> jackbowen: maybe. Especially if jkridner|work or jkridner is around
  • [00:37:32] <ds2> or beagle-gsoc
  • [00:37:54] <jkridner|work> this is the place.... or #beagle-gsoc
  • [00:38:23] <jkridner|work> probably best to pull in potential mentors from here and take the detailed conversation over to #beagle-gsoc
  • [00:39:16] <thaha> alan_o: Thanks for replying. I am trying to get my Beagleboard booted in cmdline on serial port
  • [00:39:21] <ungureanuvladvic> jkridner|work: i would have some questions about the android project...but all mentors tell me to speak with you...maybe when you have a bit of free time to discuss
  • [00:39:33] <thaha> I downloaded the latest images from the Angstrom demo site
  • [00:40:05] <jackbowen> jkridner|work: great! well I'm mainly interested developing the bonescript web pages so I believe that you would be my mentor on that one?
  • [00:40:14] <thaha> I can see the serial output till "Uncompressing Linux".
  • [00:40:20] <ds2> Yikes!
  • [00:40:22] <thaha> After that I suspect the output is going into dvi
  • [00:40:27] * ds2 runs a million miles away
  • [00:40:33] <alan_o> thaha: not likely
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  • [00:40:43] <alan_o> thaha: Where'd you get the images?
  • [00:40:44] <jkridner|work> jackbowen: yeah... new pages should launch next week.
  • [00:40:59] <alan_o> thaha: is this an xm or bone?
  • [00:41:02] <thaha> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [00:41:03] <jkridner|work> current pages are at https://github.com/jadonk/bone101
  • [00:41:12] <thaha> alan_o:xM rev C
  • [00:41:13] <jkridner|work> er, well, pages about to launch are there.
  • [00:42:19] <thaha> I searched online for sometime.... I think it has to do with bootargs
  • [00:42:33] <alan_o> thaha: what did you download from there?
  • [00:43:02] <thaha> alan_o: Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2011.1-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2 , MLO, u-boot.img
  • [00:43:08] <thaha> I followed the instructions beneath
  • [00:43:18] <nbprashanth> jkridner|work, Hi. I am interested in the "Library of Arduino-compatible functions for Linux" project for GSoC. I have submitted a pull request after recompiling the hello world code... I would like to discuss the scope of this project further with you and find out how I may begin working towards it.
  • [00:43:31] <jkridner|work> ungureanuvladvic: I wouldn't say I ever have free time....
  • [00:43:41] <jkridner|work> but, you'll never get an answer if you don't ask the question.
  • [00:43:50] <ds2> jkridner|work: when you flying?
  • [00:44:00] <jkridner|work> Monday morning to San Jose.
  • [00:44:26] <jkridner|work> probably should have gone on Sunday.
  • [00:44:49] <ds2> you got peons arriving Sunday to setup?
  • [00:44:58] <nbprashanth> jkridner|work, Is there anything i can do now to get started on the arduino project?
  • [00:45:06] <jkridner|work> nope... I'm setting up on Monday.
  • [00:45:08] <alan_o> thaha: I think there's a good chance you have something mismatched
  • [00:45:27] <ds2> is gerald coming?
  • [00:45:48] <jkridner|work> Gerald was planned to, but might commit himself to the funny farm. :-)
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  • [00:45:55] <thaha> alan_o: do you know if I put in a boot.scr in the boot partition
  • [00:46:20] <jkridner|work> nbprashanth: I think prpplague has an Energia fork that is a useful starting point....
  • [00:46:20] <thaha> and setenv bootargs 'console=ttyO2,115200n8 serialtty=ttyO2'
  • [00:46:24] <thaha> will that work?
  • [00:46:32] <jkridner|work> he just has printfs where the hardware accesses should go...
  • [00:46:56] <alan_o> thaha: which kernel is it?
  • [00:46:57] <jkridner|work> you can look at bonescript as one approach and do a lot of googling to see how the hardware accesses *should* be done.
  • [00:47:02] <jackbowen> jkridner|work: Hey I just took a look a look through the bonescript pages and they're a lot more comprehensive than I thought. Would the role of the student be predominantly front end development in this case? Thanks for the immediate feedback by the way.
  • [00:47:25] <jkridner|work> mostly adding a bunch of new hardware components.
  • [00:47:32] <ungureanuvladvic> jkridner|work: i was thinking about the booting from the phone, but this case is just for debugging boards. maybe to put the board in command of the phone.
  • [00:47:35] <jkridner|work> showing people how to hook up motors, LED strips, etc.
  • [00:47:54] <ds2> any 40KV generators?
  • [00:48:01] <alan_o> thaha: are you getting through u-boot?
  • [00:48:05] <jkridner|work> I'd send a care package from Sparkfun and Adafruit and the idea would be to create interactive web examples on how to use them.
  • [00:48:07] <ds2> got to naturally generate the black ;)
  • [00:48:09] <thaha> yes
  • [00:48:15] <thaha> Everything is fine
  • [00:48:29] <thaha> I just want the linux to load on serial port
  • [00:48:32] <thaha> rather than on my dvi
  • [00:48:41] <alan_o> thaha: DVI has nothing to do with it
  • [00:49:05] <thaha> oh but i think inside the bootargs it is automatically set to dvi
  • [00:49:13] <prpplague> nbprashanth: i have a good starting point, you just need to start filling in the commands
  • [00:49:21] <jkridner|work> ungureanuvladvic: I think av500 had a lot of opinions on the android-boot project.
  • [00:49:26] <alan_o> thaha: at some point, the console moved from ttyS2 to ttyO2. I'm trying to decide whether the 2011.11 version is before or after that
  • [00:49:58] <ds2> alan_o: 2.6.38+ kernels want the omap uart driver. prior versions use the 8250 drivedr
  • [00:50:24] <alan_o> ds2: any idea which one is in the 2011.11 image?
  • [00:50:33] <ds2> no idea
  • [00:50:42] <ds2> I don't follow angstrom images, sorry.
  • [00:50:46] <thaha> where do i find the kernel version?
  • [00:50:59] <alan_o> ds2: me neither, unless I'm helping someone who's asking for one
  • [00:51:00] <ds2> guessing it is 2.6.38 since koen abandoned 2.6.32 a long time ago
  • [00:51:13] <jackbowen> Okay great! That sounds like a blast. Is there anything specific that you're looking to see in a project proposal?
  • [00:51:52] <ka6sox> ah okay
  • [00:52:13] <prpplague> jkridner|work: argh this 3dprinter is going to be the death of me
  • [00:52:41] <ds2> prpplague: we'll print up a coffin for you with it if that happens ;)
  • [00:52:55] <prpplague> ds2: lovely
  • [00:52:56] <ds2> prehaps even a printed gravemarker? :D
  • [00:53:10] <jackbowen> jkridner|work:And can the deliverables be a mix of media? i.e. some code, some interactive pages, some videos
  • [00:53:13] <thaha> alan_o: printenv at the omap console gives me this argument
  • [00:53:18] <ds2> prpplague: which one? I am finally getting time to get back to mine
  • [00:53:20] <thaha> ompa.dvi
  • [00:53:24] <thaha> **omap.dvi
  • [00:53:28] <alan_o> thaha: doesn't matter
  • [00:53:39] <prpplague> ds2: it's the makergear M2 with custom controller
  • [00:53:43] <alan_o> thaha: stuff still goes to the console
  • [00:53:59] <ds2> prpplague: what's the problem? I am on the M1
  • [00:54:01] <thaha> ok...
  • [00:54:35] <thaha> alan_o: is there an ubuntu image which i can reroute to the console only.?
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  • [00:55:06] <alan_o> thaha: I don't know
  • [00:55:07] <ungureanuvladvic> jkridner|work: another question is that some development on a tablet combined with ubuntuTablet...i was looking at the cloud9 ide on the bone...maybe it can be made a bit generalized across all beagles but with a new app
  • [00:55:23] <thaha> alan_o: I already tried out the image at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OmapDesktopInstall and tried https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/EditBootscr
  • [00:55:36] <thaha> didnt work... same problem as Angstrom
  • [00:55:54] <alan_o> thaha: If it were me, I'd try the *-beagleboard files on the site you linked
  • [00:56:07] <alan_o> a lot of the new effort is going into the beaglebone
  • [00:56:28] <alan_o> so if I see u-boot.img and u-boot-beagleboard.img, I'm going to think that the other is for the bone
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  • [00:57:01] <thaha> oh!
  • [00:57:07] <thaha> let me try that now
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  • [00:58:55] <alan_o> ok, I'm out for a run. thaha if that doesn't work, not sure what to say. The guy who knows for sure isn't on right now. Ask back in the morning when the europeans are on.
  • [00:59:29] <alan_o> it could be debugged all the way down, no doubt, but as far as which combinations of the files on that web page to use, I can't say for sure.
  • [01:00:07] <thaha> ok
  • [01:00:08] <thaha> thanks
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  • [01:18:40] <prpplague> ds2: i am getting weird inconsistent behavior from the extractor
  • [01:18:49] <prpplague> ds2: like it is pushing out to much
  • [01:19:01] <prpplague> ds2: straight lines are good
  • [01:19:16] <prpplague> ds2: curves seems to produces a super wide blob
  • [01:19:34] <ds2> is this 3mm or 1.75mm filament?
  • [01:19:45] <prpplague> ds2: 1.75
  • [01:19:57] <ds2> PLA?
  • [01:20:37] <prpplague> yea
  • [01:21:03] <ds2> you checked to make sure there is no jams in the thermal break on the extruder?
  • [01:21:08] <ds2> it should be above the heater area
  • [01:21:13] <ds2> and that the temperature is right?
  • [01:21:27] <prpplague> ds2: no jams, temp is at 212
  • [01:22:23] <ds2> prpplague: did you see the reprap wiki for PLA? it recommends lower temps for some alloys and higher for others
  • [01:23:10] <prpplague> ds2: no, i haven't seen that
  • [01:23:20] <prpplague> ds2: simply because i am up against a deadline
  • [01:23:25] <ds2> prpplague: reprap.org/wiki/PLA
  • [01:23:30] <ds2> *nod*
  • [01:23:43] <ds2> look at the heater settings area
  • [01:24:03] <ds2> I donno what makergear ships with (I am going to cross this bridge soon)
  • [01:25:36] * prpplague will test with a lower temp
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  • [01:55:07] <ka6sox> ewww..this thing has a 2.4.20 kernel....
  • [01:55:11] <ka6sox> thats ANCIENT.
  • [01:55:21] <ds2> I remember those
  • [01:55:28] <ds2> yummy OABI
  • [01:55:35] <ds2> strong arm?
  • [01:55:51] <ka6sox> Pentium4 "embedded"
  • [01:56:04] <ds2> oh the big heaters
  • [01:57:18] <ka6sox> ya, and a 40GB PATA drive with Mandrake 8 as a base.
  • [01:57:55] <ds2> does that thing add to the emitted RFI of the station?
  • [01:58:13] <ka6sox> yes, it generates the digital carriers...
  • [01:59:06] <ka6sox> one of the cards is a custom ISA card...
  • [02:00:30] <ds2> wow
  • [02:01:58] <ka6sox> its 6" tall and 19" long
  • [02:02:10] <ka6sox> and takes 4 HD power plugs
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  • [02:08:23] <ka6sox> I have a 2.4.6 in Monterey thats been working for 11yrs now...
  • [02:08:33] <ka6sox> so I guess I shouldnt' complain
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  • [03:12:11] <ka6sox> Friends don't let Friends buy Broken Electronics :P
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  • [03:49:14] <mranostay> ka6sox: how about trolls?
  • [03:58:31] <_av500_> trolls
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  • [04:04:04] <ka6sox> I already dont' like this vendor...I had to fix a brand new $50,000 box because they screwedup and stiffed when I fixed it for them.
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  • [04:06:06] <ka6sox> mranostay, sooo....after talking to panto...I'm dropping the LA bits and just going to focus on the JTAG stuff...more than enough to keep us busy there...
  • [04:10:49] * mranostay forgets how slow big companies are at things
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  • [04:15:09] <mranostay> oh i'm a 8 digit number again :P
  • [04:16:57] <ka6sox> heh
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  • [04:40:22] <alan_o> zzzzzzzzz......
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  • [04:42:59] <mranostay> alan_o: how dare you
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  • [04:43:58] <alan_o> Eastern time man... can't hang :(
  • [04:44:04] <alan_o> later!
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  • [04:58:20] <mranostay> hi calculus
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  • [05:25:14] <calculus> mranostay: hello kitty
  • [05:25:32] <calculus> :)
  • [05:25:39] <mranostay> who doesn't love a good Hello Kitty?
  • [05:26:25] <calculus> I remember having a hello kitty choose your own adventure computer game back in the day
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  • [05:36:24] <calculus> hah, found the name, Hello Kitty Big Fun Deluxe
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  • [05:46:54] <KotH> HELLO KITTY JIHAD!
  • [05:48:35] <mranostay> oh christ
  • [05:48:45] <av500> oh $deity
  • [05:49:13] <mranostay> KotH: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2ejdP2MCuUs/TA_jU0RiEcI/AAAAAAAADRQ/Dy9E7drgcOE/s1600/hello+kitty.jpg
  • [05:49:31] <mranostay> why does that even exist?
  • [05:49:45] <av500> its the red wire
  • [05:49:49] <av500> no the blue one!
  • [05:49:53] <KotH> zz_ka6sox: i had the same experience with soekris... devices broken by design, and the CEO (and incidentally chief developer) is too conceited to admit that his devices might be faulty... no, it's all the fault of broken drivers in linux (yes, he is a bsd guy)
  • [05:50:05] <KotH> mranostay: ROTFL
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  • [05:50:44] <mrpackethead> so, black friday tommorrow
  • [05:50:48] <mrpackethead> if i am not mistaken
  • [05:51:14] <KotH> i don't know whether it's black, but it'll be a rainy friday today
  • [05:51:38] * mranostay is about to move to the land of rain
  • [05:51:52] <KotH> going to work in the uk?
  • [05:52:05] <KotH> why would anyone want to do that?
  • [05:52:08] <mranostay> portlandia
  • [05:52:13] <KotH> ah..
  • [05:52:17] <KotH> it doesnt rain ther
  • [05:52:18] <KotH> there*
  • [05:52:48] <mranostay> i'd work in the UK if i could get a visa
  • [05:53:06] <KotH> huh?
  • [05:53:15] <KotH> no visa for the rebels?
  • [05:53:30] <av500> KotH: kids need to have a minder
  • [05:53:36] <KotH> lol
  • [05:54:08] <mranostay> KotH: worker visa is impossible without a degree
  • [05:54:39] * mranostay needs to start that up again since his head to knocking the glass ceiling almost
  • [05:54:47] <KotH> see... you should have gotten swiss citizenship... hardly anyone wants a visa from us
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  • [05:55:24] <mranostay> how? you have a sister i can marry? :P
  • [05:55:45] <vin_> hi anyone can help me in steps of installation of beaglebone lightpd
  • [05:55:49] <KotH> come to .ch, live here a couple of years, apply for citizenship
  • [05:56:02] <KotH> marrying someone speeds that up by two or three years
  • [05:56:04] <panto> gm
  • [05:56:07] <mranostay> yeah how do i live legally in .ch for a few years?
  • [05:56:09] <KotH> salut panto
  • [05:56:16] <vin_> i hve installed it but php files doesnt open :(
  • [05:56:16] <av500> mranostay: why legally
  • [05:56:23] <av500> just hole up in teh mountains
  • [05:56:28] <mranostay> iirc i can only stay 90 days of 180 day period
  • [05:56:33] <panto> you're greeting a greek? are you sure you're not going to be excommunicated?
  • [05:56:52] <av500> panto: its a trap
  • [05:56:54] <mranostay> panto: hello allah!
  • [05:57:01] <KotH> mranostay: you come over and apply for asylum
  • [05:57:06] <vin_> anyone there for beaglebone help
  • [05:57:12] <mranostay> asylum from the US? :)
  • [05:57:17] <mranostay> on what fucking grounds? :)
  • [05:57:29] <panto> vin_, state your intentions earthling...
  • [05:57:30] <av500> mranostay: on grounds of that suitcase full of money
  • [05:57:34] <av500> most do like that
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  • [05:57:42] <av500> even german ex-celebs
  • [05:57:52] <mranostay> i'm sure i don't have enough cash to qualify
  • [05:58:02] <av500> but now you haev a goal :)
  • [05:58:03] <KotH> panto: it's for the swiss secret service... looks like they are checking whether i'm a good citizen or not...
  • [05:58:31] <KotH> mranostay: political
  • [05:58:39] <mranostay> if i had the cash i wouldn't need to work in the EU or .ch :)
  • [05:58:43] <KotH> mranostay: that works for almost anyone .. even for greeks
  • [05:58:59] <KotH> mranostay: i'm sure you can fabricate something in the form of "they dont want me to have a geiger counter!!!"
  • [05:59:06] <panto> true, but I could scrape on by running a bar on an island during the summer
  • [05:59:09] <KotH> bbl.. gtg to work
  • [05:59:18] <panto> so I would need less $$$ that you guys...
  • [05:59:19] <mranostay> you don't irc from work?
  • [05:59:20] <av500> mranostay: cite the crack down on guns
  • [05:59:37] <mranostay> heh
  • [05:59:46] <panto> mranostay, he works? I thought IRC was all that he did
  • [05:59:54] <mranostay> that is what i do
  • [06:00:07] <panto> vin_, if you didn't got that, yeah we do beaglebone here... just ask away
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  • [06:01:24] <mranostay> nice
  • [06:01:54] * panto scrolls back...
  • [06:02:07] <panto> you'd work in the UK? are you sure?
  • [06:02:16] <panto> could you stand the weather there?
  • [06:02:26] <mranostay> bah nice pubs
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  • [06:02:58] <panto> go to spain instead, to one of the areas where .uk people have colonized
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  • [06:03:14] <mranostay> any tech jobs in spain?
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  • [06:04:58] <ka6sox> KotH, ugh...that is where you say..I'll use somebody elses stuff...thank you :p
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  • [06:06:04] <panto> mranostay, I thought you said retire? :)
  • [06:06:39] <mranostay> no american can retire
  • [06:06:50] <mranostay> or anyone really
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  • [06:09:04] <panto> well, the trick is what you mean by 'retire'
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  • [06:12:10] <ka6sox> panto, can I afford to retire there?
  • [06:12:40] <panto> I'm pretty sure you can
  • [06:13:09] <ka6sox> what is the retirement age?
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  • [06:14:06] <panto> ka6sox, now? for normal workers is 67
  • [06:14:40] <ka6sox> then I'm right in line for retirement :)
  • [06:14:55] <panto> if you worked for the .gr public sector you might retire at 55
  • [06:15:06] <panto> but that kinda screwed everyone else over
  • [06:15:41] <ka6sox> here, I'm gonna DIE before I retire.
  • [06:15:56] <mranostay> i resigned myself to the fact i can't retire but i like to live comfortably
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  • [06:16:39] <panto> ka6sox, I'm sure the pru-jtag thing will get us all to retire! :)
  • [06:16:41] <panto> lol
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  • [06:16:59] <ka6sox> panto, yup...look out Lauterberg!
  • [06:17:04] <ka6sox> we are on your 6
  • [06:17:36] <panto> lauterbach, but who cares :)
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  • [06:18:24] <ka6sox> too many hours of trying to work on "embedded" systems today...(if you call an Asus Desktop 533mhz bus P4 system "embedded" :P
  • [06:18:29] <ka6sox> )
  • [06:18:40] <panto> wah?
  • [06:18:44] <panto> why would you do that?
  • [06:19:22] <ka6sox> Legacy crud I was trying to "upgrade"
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  • [06:19:40] <ka6sox> it went pear shaped...
  • [06:20:34] * mranostay puts Troll Cape on his declaration forms for a major semiconductor company
  • [06:20:59] <ka6sox> trolls....they steal your socks...but only the left ones...
  • [06:21:04] <dm8tbr> and sign with 'u jelly?'
  • [06:21:12] <mranostay> dm8tbr: u jelly?
  • [06:21:16] <ka6sox> u jelly?
  • [06:21:38] * dm8tbr has nice jelly in the fridge, yes
  • [06:22:48] <mranostay> what is u jelly?
  • [06:23:07] <koen> do we actually want to know?
  • [06:23:30] <ka6sox> koen, probably not
  • [06:23:34] <panto> yes!
  • [06:23:36] <panto> no!
  • [06:23:44] <panto> dammit, was that a trick question
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  • [06:24:15] <ka6sox> panto, another cup of coffee for you....or maybe no more?
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  • [06:24:35] * panto procrastinates...
  • [06:24:45] * mrpackethead considerates
  • [06:24:46] <mranostay> i do!
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  • [06:24:48] <ka6sox> panto, can events monitor pins?
  • [06:24:52] <mranostay> dm8tbr: answer!
  • [06:25:06] <ka6sox> 41.375
  • [06:25:29] <panto> err, what do you mean? interrupts?
  • [06:25:30] <mrpackethead> is considerate a word?
  • [06:25:45] <ka6sox> consideration
  • [06:25:47] <mrpackethead> interuptates even.
  • [06:26:05] <mrpackethead> It Friday night
  • [06:26:10] <mrpackethead> i've had a tough week.
  • [06:26:16] <mranostay> and some people are short-timing! :)
  • [06:26:31] <ka6sox> panto, something akin to that...trying to figure out how to make things empty whats full and fill whats empty
  • [06:26:54] <panto> ka6sox, do you have the pru ref guide document?
  • [06:27:23] <ka6sox> no only the Ev1L TRM
  • [06:27:43] <ka6sox> and thats inconclusive...
  • [06:27:54] <panto> git clone git://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package.git
  • [06:29:07] <panto> there are many possibilities
  • [06:29:21] <panto> more than one way to skin the cat
  • [06:30:02] <ka6sox> I need that one that works with the pins we have available.
  • [06:30:39] <panto> I see that there are mailbox interrupts routed to the PRU too
  • [06:30:58] <panto> I think that would work without using external pins
  • [06:31:11] * ka6sox likes mailboxes...
  • [06:31:53] <ka6sox> so if I write the app in erlang and use mailboxes to talk to the PRU does that make it doubly RT?
  • [06:31:55] <panto> read the pru ref guide doc
  • [06:32:04] <panto> -EMINDBLOWN
  • [06:32:50] <ka6sox> port install xpdf
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  • [06:33:37] <ka6sox> ya, about to..when I get xpdf up.
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  • [06:35:24] <koen> panto: https://github.com/modmaker/am335x_pru_package
  • [06:35:34] <koen> panto: that has some of the v2 isns implemented
  • [06:35:46] <koen> XIN, XOUT, XCHG, ZERO, FILL, SXIN, SXOUT, SXCHG, LOOP & ILOOP.
  • [06:35:55] <panto> oh, nice
  • [06:35:58] <ka6sox> oh, I like those bits
  • [06:36:22] <ka6sox> the whole thing seems "unofficial" including teh doco :p
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  • [06:36:49] <koen> there's a link to instruction numbers on the beagle list that you can use to fill in more missing isns
  • [06:38:01] <panto> yep
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  • [06:38:57] <panto> having the mac insn will sure help for any function generator app
  • [06:40:03] <mranostay> koen: the rogue instructions!
  • [06:41:19] <ka6sox> mranostay, don't wake up the rogues
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  • [06:41:44] <ka6sox> or the trolls
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  • [06:42:43] <koen> http://pastebin.com/2y7uRRwA <- more pru info
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  • [06:46:29] <mrpackethead> whats been up with the PRU
  • [06:46:31] <panto> koen, can't find the link to the instruction numbers
  • [06:46:43] <ka6sox> I seem to recall a GSoC suggested project to "upstream support for PRU in AM335X"...would this be official TI or something else since all the doc I've seen is "unofficial"?
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  • [06:47:03] <panto> ka6sox, TI doesn't want the support burden
  • [06:48:15] <koen> panto: pastebin above
  • [06:48:37] <panto> ah, missed it
  • [06:48:38] <panto> thx
  • [06:48:41] <koen> ka6sox: it would be for "the community"
  • [06:48:52] <mrpackethead> we ahve a GosC project approved in my other project
  • [06:49:01] <mrpackethead> but we are struggling to find a good student
  • [06:49:21] <mrpackethead> It woudl be nice if someone who had an interest in lighting also applied.
  • [06:49:27] <mranostay> do i qualify? :P
  • [06:49:39] <KotH> mranostay: you know... i have irc at home too
  • [06:49:50] <KotH> mranostay: and it happens at times, that i irc from home!
  • [06:50:14] <KotH> ka6sox: yeah..
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  • [06:51:22] <KotH> ka6sox: soekris is horrbly expensive (compared to others who do similar stuff)... and they are the first company i bought from, that called me an idiot publicly...multiple times...
  • [06:51:25] <ka6sox> okay so that would be bb.org pushing this upstream? or the individuals?
  • [06:51:51] <ka6sox> ouch...those folks aren't worth talking to :P
  • [06:51:54] <mrpackethead> mranostay: are you a student
  • [06:52:32] <KotH> ka6sox: definitly not... interstingly they have many zealots that will hunt down anyone who voices some critic on those god sent products
  • [06:52:46] <KotH> really weird stuff
  • [06:52:57] <mranostay> mrpackethead: heh some people here would say so :P
  • [06:53:11] <mranostay> but no i'm not enrolled in classes
  • [06:53:14] <KotH> mrpackethead: even av500 is a student
  • [06:53:18] * ka6sox whistles...
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  • [06:53:30] <mrpackethead> i'm a student of life.
  • [06:53:38] <mrpackethead> and this week has been a hard week of learning
  • [06:53:47] <ka6sox> COL:SOHK
  • [06:53:55] <mrpackethead> been studying at teh school of hard knocks
  • [06:53:56] <mranostay> mrpackethead: yeah somehow i can't put in the education part of applications :)
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  • [06:54:34] <KotH> ka6sox: c'est quoi ?a?
  • [06:54:56] <mranostay> english mofo do you speak it?
  • [06:55:13] <KotH> no, je ne parle pas
  • [06:55:24] <mranostay> english mofo do you speak it?
  • [06:55:36] <KotH> no, je ne parle pas
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  • [06:55:41] <mranostay> so what again i double dare you
  • [06:55:53] <av500> mrpackethead: what other project?
  • [06:55:55] <mranostay> hi florian
  • [06:56:14] <florian> good morning
  • [06:56:15] <mrpackethead> http://www.opendmx.net/index.php/Open_Lighting_Project
  • [06:56:17] * KotH hopes we do not have any french natives here...
  • [06:56:18] <ka6sox> KotH, College of Life: School of Hard Knocks
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  • [06:56:33] <panto> ok, so who's modmaker?
  • [06:56:48] <panto> it's bas?
  • [06:56:48] <mranostay> panto: the best PRU assembler
  • [06:56:50] * mrpackethead struggles to translate into mandarin.
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  • [06:57:11] <panto> mranostay, err, he mentions a mac insn
  • [06:57:23] <mranostay> Vadtec needs to fix his/her fucking connection
  • [06:57:46] <mrpackethead> ????????????
  • [06:57:46] <mrpackethead> ??????????????????
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  • [06:58:02] <mranostay> christ
  • [06:58:16] <ka6sox> morning av500
  • [06:58:22] <av500> ahoi
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  • [06:58:36] <mrpackethead> that does'nt not translate well
  • [06:58:42] <koen> polloi
  • [06:58:44] * mranostay gets ready to stab Vadtec
  • [06:59:01] * koen hands mranostay a dull, rusty knife
  • [06:59:26] * mrpackethead hands mranostay a vile of infestation
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  • [06:59:41] <mrpackethead> jkridner: you here, can you use your boot
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  • [07:00:02] <ka6sox> panto, I'm going to have to learn exactly how the pru works for interrupty things before I can finish this design
  • [07:00:07] <mranostay> motherfucker....
  • [07:00:17] <ka6sox> it may not be his mother's fault
  • [07:00:23] <mranostay> maybe
  • [07:00:31] <panto> ka6sox, clone that package
  • [07:00:32] <mranostay> who is op?
  • [07:00:37] <KotH> ka6sox: ah.. thanks!
  • [07:00:39] <mrpackethead> probably part of a bot-net, trying to get a net-split
  • [07:00:42] <panto> there's an example of PRU to PRU interrupt there
  • [07:00:49] <mranostay> nobody... great
  • [07:01:02] <mranostay> panto: my nixie clock *ahem* :)
  • [07:01:07] <mrpackethead> jkridner: is an op
  • [07:01:07] <ka6sox> the one you showed me a few minutes?
  • [07:01:11] <panto> mranostay, :)
  • [07:01:13] <panto> yes
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  • [07:01:29] <mranostay> however my PCB doesn't work atm :/
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  • [07:01:40] <mranostay> .........
  • [07:02:06] * mranostay stabs Vadtec in absentia
  • [07:02:11] * mranostay stabs Vadtec in absentia repeatly
  • [07:02:17] * dm8tbr thinks *!~Vadtec@* needs a timeout
  • [07:02:29] <av500> mrpackethead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahoy_(greeting)
  • [07:02:57] <mrpackethead> av500: huh
  • [07:03:06] <av500> ahuh?
  • [07:03:21] <ka6sox> panto, where you see that example?
  • [07:03:32] <av500> mrpackethead: never mind :)
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  • [07:04:12] <koen> picture in the newspaper: "We lost our jobs and can't afford food anymore" in the corner there's a full ashtray and dad is smoking a cigarette while the picture was taken
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  • [07:04:44] <koen> I bet you can buy food if you stop buying cigarettes
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  • [07:04:59] <mrpackethead> esp in New Zelaand
  • [07:05:06] <panto> koen, is that .gr photo?
  • [07:05:14] <mrpackethead> Cigarets are $20/pack now )
  • [07:05:19] <mranostay> whoa
  • [07:05:21] <mrpackethead> and will be $25 in June
  • [07:05:26] <koen> panto: yes
  • [07:05:28] <KotH> mrpackethead: huh?
  • [07:05:28] <mranostay> i thought CA was bad
  • [07:05:29] <panto> cause it's close to home...
  • [07:05:34] <koen> panto: there's even a pantelis in there
  • [07:05:36] <mrpackethead> yup.. Super High taxe on them
  • [07:05:40] <mranostay> only $8 a pack here
  • [07:05:44] <panto> was that me?
  • [07:05:51] <koen> "with their sons Kosta and Pantelis"
  • [07:05:54] <mrpackethead> The legislaton is in Place, for NZ to be smoke free in 2025
  • [07:05:57] <koen> no, too much hair
  • [07:06:04] <mrpackethead> we are in the phase out phase
  • [07:06:08] <KotH> mrpackethead: rotfl
  • [07:06:09] <ka6sox> interesting that there is no constant table entry for mcasp
  • [07:06:10] <av500> koen: they can still sell the hair for food
  • [07:06:15] <mrpackethead> bascially you are only allowd to smoke in your own home now
  • [07:06:16] <mranostay> panto: did like the 4 euro a pack in Greece :)
  • [07:06:17] <KotH> mrpackethead: going the way of the prohibition?
  • [07:06:27] <mrpackethead> not allowed to smoke in public
  • [07:06:30] <mrpackethead> not at work
  • [07:06:32] <panto> mranostay, you know we produce tobacco here right?
  • [07:06:32] <av500> a ban on chimney smoke?
  • [07:06:37] <mrpackethead> not in bars/restrantuts
  • [07:06:46] <av500> assault smoking?
  • [07:06:49] <panto> people buy leaves in bag since they got too expensive
  • [07:06:50] * mranostay doesn't really smoke generally but only socially
  • [07:07:02] <KotH> panto: eh...
  • [07:07:11] <ka6sox> panto, here you could get arrested for that :P
  • [07:07:11] <panto> yeah, 20e for 5kg
  • [07:07:19] <mrpackethead> we are down to 6% of population smoking.
  • [07:07:26] <panto> same here, but if you're desperate for your fix
  • [07:07:38] <av500> mranostay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8762zEOkSo
  • [07:07:49] <KotH> panto: my mothers uncles used to be tabaco farmers... until they got disowned for being "bourgeois"
  • [07:07:51] <mrpackethead> and honestly its pretty socially unaccetpabe now to light up
  • [07:08:08] <ka6sox> chocolate is important
  • [07:08:22] <mranostay> av500: i hate you
  • [07:08:32] <av500> I think in Serbia maybe 6% are not smoking
  • [07:08:46] <KotH> av500: hehe
  • [07:08:58] * KotH remembers how it was common to smoke in busses in .ch
  • [07:09:05] <av500> though, they might be smoking "socially"
  • [07:09:07] <KotH> i still wonder how i could stand that smell
  • [07:09:19] <av500> mranostyle
  • [07:09:21] <panto> you think that's bad?
  • [07:09:35] <panto> I had to hitch a ride with a coworker for 5 years in his car
  • [07:09:46] <av500> last week a woman smoked in church - made me drop my beer
  • [07:09:48] <panto> and he smoked... a lot.
  • [07:10:00] <panto> now ofcourse he's quit
  • [07:10:09] <panto> *he has quitted
  • [07:10:09] <KotH> too expensive?
  • [07:10:19] <panto> dad died of lung cancer :/
  • [07:10:29] <KotH> :-(
  • [07:11:04] <panto> that was a big jolt for him
  • [07:11:59] <mranostay> panto: what is with your EU'ians and smoking?
  • [07:12:14] <panto> used to be so cheap and acceptable
  • [07:12:15] <mranostay> i mean i smoke maybe 4 packs in a year
  • [07:12:40] <panto> I mean, without taxes a pack would cost what? 0.5e?
  • [07:12:55] <mranostay> same in the states
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  • [07:14:38] <ka6sox> panto, mranostay any objection to using any of the "unofficial" isns for this/
  • [07:14:39] <ka6sox> ?
  • [07:14:54] <panto> of course not
  • [07:15:01] <panto> are we asking TI for support?
  • [07:15:23] <ka6sox> none asked, none expected.
  • [07:15:34] <koen> ka6sox: DADT
  • [07:15:35] <panto> yep, we're on our own
  • [07:15:50] <mranostay> i never worked for TI so i can't be sued for NDA or other crap :)
  • [07:15:53] <ka6sox> koen, is that like YMMV?
  • [07:16:16] <panto> Dead As Doornails Tuesday?
  • [07:16:17] <ka6sox> we had that policy here.
  • [07:16:43] <koen> don't ask, don't tell for the non-USians
  • [07:17:04] <panto> I did, but I had nothing to do with PRU at all
  • [07:17:44] <ka6sox> I find the firmware() loader to be something that fascinates me.
  • [07:17:54] <panto> why?
  • [07:18:07] <panto> btw, I will rewrite the crap out of it btw
  • [07:18:17] <panto> it's too cumbersome for the stuff we need to do
  • [07:18:27] <panto> mdp's suggestions were right on the money
  • [07:18:48] <ka6sox> okay
  • [07:19:40] <panto> we can work on with the pru loader as it is for now
  • [07:19:51] * panto looks at the time
  • [07:19:58] <ka6sox> so since you guys know the isns better than me help me choose the best method for keeping the fifo's cleared and full.
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  • [07:20:31] <panto> ka6sox, we haven't done a PRU app with such high b/w reqs. before
  • [07:20:47] <panto> looks like we'll have to experiment with the different options
  • [07:21:41] <ka6sox> well...I can hook up EVERY PRU Pin to the CPLD and route things internally there...then we can decide how to signal later.
  • [07:22:00] <panto> sounds good
  • [07:22:21] <panto> ok, got to head out to grab groceries
  • [07:22:23] <panto> bbl
  • [07:22:57] <ka6sox> laters panto
  • [07:25:16] <mranostay> the feta cheese delivery didn't come?
  • [07:25:42] <av500> fate pipe is clogged
  • [07:26:35] <ka6sox> when I was in Albania we always waited for the truck from Greece to bring the Feta in.
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  • [07:31:08] <mranostay> av500: wb big boy
  • [07:31:25] * av500 glares at netgear
  • [07:31:25] <ka6sox> okay 1 pin left on the CPLD
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  • [07:36:13] <mranostay> jonmasters: sorry to get blood on your suit :P
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  • [07:50:00] <ka6sox> mranostay, you done any SWD stuff?
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  • [07:50:38] <av500> ooh, new OMAP5 TRM
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  • [07:51:50] <KotH> av500: oh.. omap5 survived the omapgedon?
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  • [07:58:34] <koen> KotH: sort of
  • [07:58:44] <koen> KotH: omap5 is a subset of the dra7xx
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  • [07:59:06] <koen> so for dra7xx bringup the omap5 evms are used
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  • [08:03:33] <KotH> oh.. didnt know
  • [08:03:40] <KotH> koen: domo
  • [08:03:49] <KotH> hmm...today is definitly friday
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  • [08:04:21] <KotH> we are here discussing how to dispose a human body completely.. at work... while a customer is sitting next to us
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  • [08:08:34] <av500> is he the body?
  • [08:10:13] <ogra_> KotH, pigs ...
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  • [08:16:21] <KotH> ogra_: we agreed that a blast furnace would be the "cleanest" solution
  • [08:16:41] <ogra_> so much technical effort
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  • [08:19:38] <KotH> germany has many of those
  • [08:19:46] <KotH> just stop by and throw your "trash" in
  • [08:20:18] <ogra_> germany is also full of pigs ...
  • [08:20:39] <KotH> yeah.. but pigs are no good at disposing bones
  • [08:20:56] <ogra_> oh, they are ... just slower than a furnace i guess
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  • [08:26:27] * av500 hearts gory offtopic on fridays :)
  • [08:28:03] <KotH> shouldnt that be "av500 <3 gory offtopic on fridays :)" ;-)
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  • [08:56:33] <Rotti> hi!
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  • [09:09:48] <KotH> moin Rotti
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  • [09:19:08] <Rotti> is it possible to launch a script if a beaglebone cape is plugged in automatically at bootup (i.e. via udev), or should the script be run at every boot and check for the presence of a cape?
  • [09:20:00] <panto> Rotti, it's on our todo list (udev triggers)
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  • [09:21:16] <Rotti> ah, thanks for the information, panto
  • [09:21:52] <panto> for now you can read the slots file and see what cape got loaded
  • [09:23:44] <Rotti> that's the way i was thinking of, for the moment... at the moment, there is anyway no eeprom yet...
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  • [10:02:28] <av500> jkridner|work: I have a new idea for GSoC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI4oT3XNpoE
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  • [11:03:07] <av500> that's lot of r-pi killers: http://iqjar.com/jar/an-overview-and-comparison-of-todays-single-board-micro-computers/
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  • [11:14:14] <jkridner|work> av500: wrong. so wrong.
  • [11:15:38] <jkridner|work> would have to be swimwear for summer
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  • [12:06:05] <bradfa> moaning channel
  • [12:07:30] <panto> moaning is unwarranted
  • [12:07:33] <panto> tgif
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  • [12:09:37] <bradfa> fair enough :)
  • [12:10:54] <mdp> glorious day!
  • [12:11:03] <bradfa> mdp, sunny in the corn fields?
  • [12:11:14] <mdp> warm rain
  • [12:11:23] <mdp> does it have to be sunny to be a great day?
  • [12:12:12] <av500> I wish it would rain and wash all that pollen out
  • [12:12:23] <panto> you're weak
  • [12:12:37] <av500> yes, end of the weak
  • [12:12:43] <panto> you should eat the pollen and sh*t flowers
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  • [13:16:36] <yegorich> koen: is CAN functioing with 3.8? I can't find such a section in dts files.
  • [13:21:23] <jackmitchell> argh! SNMP is beating me.
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  • [13:21:54] <jackmitchell> net-snmp is not an even relatively easy program in integrate
  • [13:22:27] <mru> of course not, the s is for simple after all
  • [13:22:35] <mru> so there's no way it can actually be that
  • [13:24:12] <CareBear\> off-topic question: have you ever heard of CCS being able to download source code from a finished board (which I have bought) ?
  • [13:24:22] <mru> huh?
  • [13:24:33] <CareBear\> the seller is claiming that the development kit is stored on the board itself and that CCS is supposed to be able to "read" the files out of the hardware
  • [13:24:39] <av500> ?
  • [13:24:49] <CareBear\> I didn't use CCS before but it sounds completely nuts
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  • [13:25:03] <mru> of course it's possible to store the relevant files in onboard flash or so
  • [13:25:17] <mru> but it seems batshit insane to do so
  • [13:25:21] <CareBear\> there is a flash on the board
  • [13:25:35] <CareBear\> well this board *is* specifically for development
  • [13:25:49] <mru> still seems absurd
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  • [13:26:09] <mru> normally you want the dev board to somewhat simulate the real thing
  • [13:26:18] <CareBear\> nah :p
  • [13:27:31] <CareBear\> does anyone also know if this ought to work (over an FTDI USB->UART made and delivered by the seller) with a 5.x CCS, even though the seller used 3.x on their end?
  • [13:28:00] <mru> if what ought to work?
  • [13:28:15] <mru> ftdi jtag?
  • [13:28:16] <CareBear\> mru : reading relevant files from onboard flash
  • [13:28:21] <CareBear\> no, plain uart
  • [13:28:28] <mru> using what protocol?
  • [13:28:31] <CareBear\> exactly!
  • [13:28:56] <CareBear\> is there some defacto standard thing that CCS always uses over COM ports?
  • [13:29:12] <mru> none that I've heard of
  • [13:29:22] <mru> but then I've steered clear of ccs as much as possible
  • [13:29:40] <mru> does the board boot?
  • [13:30:04] <CareBear\> yes, I can use the vendor software to configure the board over the UART
  • [13:30:11] <CareBear\> (the *same* UART that CCS is supposed to use)
  • [13:30:34] <mru> ok, so it's booting and talking some unspecified protocol
  • [13:31:06] <mru> out of curiosity, what is this board?
  • [13:31:15] <CareBear\> it's a DSP board
  • [13:31:27] <mru> from where?
  • [13:31:32] <av500> CareBear\: what board?
  • [13:31:40] <CareBear\> very small vendor
  • [13:31:51] <CareBear\> I'm not sure what I can say about it
  • [13:32:01] <CareBear\> but this CCS stuff is very very odd
  • [13:32:04] * mru feels like this warrants an entry on the do-not-buy list
  • [13:32:06] <CareBear\> some old TMS320 thingy
  • [13:32:25] <av500> I think your seller is confused
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  • [13:33:24] <CareBear\> the board looks nice though, so they are doing *something* right
  • [13:33:36] <av500> what cpu?
  • [13:33:37] <CareBear\> but this stuff of delivering devkit *on* the board is .. dunno
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  • [13:34:39] <CareBear\> lowpower c54x
  • [13:34:46] <av500> ah
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  • [13:46:41] <koen> yegorich: there was a CAN driver submitted, dunno what happened to it
  • [13:58:00] <yegorich> koen: I've seen the driver
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  • [13:58:21] <yegorich> koen: will try to create proper dts entry
  • [14:01:03] <mru> http://beeroclock.in/
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  • [14:07:18] <KotH> wtf... customer contract demands a printed hardcopy of all written code....
  • [14:07:25] <KotH> s/written/used/
  • [14:08:13] <panto> lol
  • [14:08:24] <panto> ask them if he can fax it in
  • [14:08:26] <panto> *you
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  • [14:11:12] <KotH> hehe
  • [14:11:34] <panto> reminds of an old story about a stupid customer
  • [14:11:51] <panto> he wanted us to send him a software update by fax
  • [14:11:57] <mru> is there any other kind?
  • [14:12:05] <av500> yes, extra-stupid
  • [14:12:15] <panto> usually not that stupid ^^^
  • [14:12:20] <mru> av500: that's a subclass
  • [14:13:14] <mru> panto: maybe he expected a new tape for the turing machine
  • [14:13:45] <ka6sox> mourning...there is NO coffee here...
  • [14:14:00] <panto> but there is going to be beer shortly over here...
  • [14:14:01] <mru> ka6sox: in the US?
  • [14:14:09] <mru> well, we kinda knew that
  • [14:14:55] <ka6sox> mru, no, thats no real Beer in the US.
  • [14:15:05] <mru> also true
  • [14:15:27] <ka6sox> the microbrews are sometimes good.
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  • [14:16:56] <panto> I find that beer in the US has improved dramatically the last few years
  • [14:17:22] <mru> yeah, there are quite a few good ones from smaller breweries
  • [14:17:29] <KotH> i find that exceeding the code size limit of your compiler suddenly lifts the pressure of the deadline
  • [14:17:45] <av500> panto: I have a can of budweiser, it did not improve at all over the last years
  • [14:17:51] <mru> KotH: input or output size?
  • [14:17:57] <KotH> mru: output
  • [14:18:26] <mru> and limit is imposed by the _compiler_, not the target uc?
  • [14:18:35] <KotH> linker imposed limit, yes
  • [14:18:54] <mru> using the silly size-limited version of the iar tools?
  • [14:18:57] <KotH> yes
  • [14:19:04] <KotH> our company can be cheap at times
  • [14:19:25] <panto> that's not cheap
  • [14:19:27] <KotH> well.. now they've to pay 2500eur for the upgrade
  • [14:19:29] <mru> get a 30-day eval and code quickly :)
  • [14:19:35] <panto> that's suicidal
  • [14:19:46] <mru> what's the target?
  • [14:19:54] <KotH> msp430fr5736
  • [14:19:56] <av500> panto: I bet they have 2 PCs
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  • [14:20:00] <av500> so 60days
  • [14:20:08] <ynezz> or hexpatch the compiler :p
  • [14:20:12] <ynezz> err binpatch
  • [14:20:20] <panto> cabbage patch
  • [14:20:29] <ynezz> I can do it for 200 beersoins
  • [14:20:32] <ka6sox> get your sister's cousin's Kid to sign up for 30 days too.
  • [14:20:35] <mru> run it under wine and start fresh every month
  • [14:20:38] <KotH> well.. i use the time productively to catch up with all the lwn issues i haven't read
  • [14:20:39] <mru> and fudge the clock
  • [14:21:06] <panto> we're so spoiled by gcc at least failing very rarely
  • [14:21:20] <ka6sox> panto, sayz you
  • [14:21:21] <panto> in the old times compilers especially for micros were... crap
  • [14:21:28] <mru> they still are
  • [14:21:34] <mru> _all_ compilers are crap
  • [14:21:37] <panto> not that crap
  • [14:21:39] <ka6sox> even the expensive Kiel ones :P
  • [14:21:40] <KotH> panto: they still are, if they are not gcc
  • [14:21:47] <av500> crapilers
  • [14:21:52] <KotH> panto: and even gcc is crap for anything not widely used
  • [14:21:52] <panto> I mean bad code generation crap, random compiler crashes crap
  • [14:22:09] <panto> I have high hopes for LLVM but alas it's C++ based
  • [14:22:09] <mru> gcc is probably the only compiler that gives you what you paid for
  • [14:22:10] * KotH points at hardwarbug.org
  • [14:22:23] <mru> panto: so is gcc now
  • [14:22:28] <panto> don't remind me
  • [14:22:30] <mru> and there are no hopes for llvm
  • [14:22:48] <mru> it would be more accurate to call it applecc
  • [14:23:00] <av500> time for google to fork it
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  • [14:23:08] <panto> googlecc
  • [14:23:11] <bmercer> 10 folks in here eh :)
  • [14:23:13] <ynezz> v8cc
  • [14:23:16] <panto> free, if you get to watch the ads
  • [14:23:29] <mru> it could print ads to the console while compiling
  • [14:23:29] <bmercer> is it possible to turn off the cpu scaling based on the usb power source?
  • [14:23:35] <av500> and opera to immediately start using it
  • [14:23:35] <koen> eLLVMs
  • [14:23:49] <bmercer> I've got a usb power source plenty capable of powering the board and I don't want to use the external power supply
  • [14:24:01] <koen> hmm, that worked better for egcs
  • [14:24:06] <koen> LLVM 2.96
  • [14:24:07] <mru> google or apple doesn't really matter
  • [14:24:17] <av500> we need FBcc
  • [14:24:25] <mru> both care only about a very narrow use case
  • [14:24:28] <mru> theirs
  • [14:24:37] <av500> they are like me then
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  • [14:25:03] <mru> a real compiler vendor cares about whatever its customers need
  • [14:25:12] <mru> unfortunately there aren't any
  • [14:25:13] <panto> av500, the only diff is they have more money than you
  • [14:25:34] <av500> mru: vendor as in pay?
  • [14:25:51] <mru> that's optional
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  • [14:26:58] <panto> ka6sox, weren't you the one complaining about emmc reset?
  • [14:27:48] <ka6sox> yes
  • [14:27:58] <mru> an apple/google/fb-driven compiler has all the same problems as evil vendor kernel trees
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  • [14:28:46] <ka6sox> unless there is something else I'm missing...yes, I am concerned about blowing up things with the current arraingement.
  • [14:29:04] <mru> blowing stuff up is fun
  • [14:29:07] * mru should do it more often
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  • [14:30:12] <ka6sox> I have a solution though....
  • [14:30:46] <ka6sox> a pogo-pin extending down to the output of the eMMC reset OC device.
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  • [14:31:09] <mdp> facebook compiler?
  • [14:31:24] <ka6sox> mdp, I think that was the inference
  • [14:31:35] <mdp> think of the children
  • [14:31:52] <ka6sox> it would start out strong and then fade into obscurity
  • [14:32:06] <panto> ka6sox, I have a solution
  • [14:32:15] <ka6sox> panto, do tell...
  • [14:32:15] <panto> but I will need someone with a scope to test it out
  • [14:32:25] <ka6sox> ok, I can has scope
  • [14:32:51] <panto> I can keep emmc at reset (after jumping over some hurdles)
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  • [14:33:33] <panto> if no cape requests the pins, emmc gets loaded
  • [14:33:53] <panto> the question is what does keeping the emmc at reset does...
  • [14:34:43] <panto> so you don't need a pin or anything
  • [14:34:48] <ka6sox> is uboot DT "aware"?
  • [14:35:05] <panto> nothing to do with uboot
  • [14:36:01] <panto> we can fix uboot to not touch mmc1 pins using a configuration option
  • [14:36:09] <subaash_> hi all.. there is a problem regarding hdmi output from my beagle board. The hdmi o/p is not viewed in my samsung led tv when i connect it with beagle board. what to do?
  • [14:36:56] <ka6sox> you have a catch-22 if you are using emmc as your boot device...because the system comes out of reset and a cape can drive the pins and if you are attempting to use the same pins to read your bootloader code you have an issue.
  • [14:37:53] <ka6sox> even 1 pin being wrong is enough to make it fail to boot.
  • [14:38:00] <panto> I know
  • [14:38:15] <panto> all the solution for using it, will require booting from external mmc
  • [14:38:29] <panto> *solutions
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  • [14:38:48] <ka6sox> yes, but the problem with that on current board revs is that its a PB not a slide.
  • [14:39:13] <ka6sox> and I don't have thin enough fingers to get between a cape an the board to push it.
  • [14:39:29] <ka6sox> so my pogopin solution solves that.
  • [14:39:52] <panto> hum, wait
  • [14:40:02] <panto> let say you do interfere with the boot from mmc1
  • [14:40:15] <panto> shouldn't the rom switch over booting from external sd?
  • [14:41:20] <KotH> new uses for a gps cape: http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Engineering/Far-out_space_navigation_from_sideways_satnav_signals
  • [14:41:20] <ka6sox> depends on how the boot order pins are configured (and I haven't looked.
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  • [14:42:23] <ka6sox> KotH, this was why the US Gov't wanted all receivers to shut off once they got above a certain height.
  • [14:43:53] <ka6sox> panto, that maybe be good solution for preventing it from not booting (assuming you have an SD) but does it solve the Magic Blue Smoke issue (in time)
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  • [14:44:21] <panto> ka6sox, that's why he have you h/w engineers
  • [14:44:41] <panto> s/w can't fix all the problems of a bad h/w design as you well know :)
  • [14:45:08] * ka6sox did NOT say that :)
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  • [14:46:12] <ka6sox> okay, thats a possibility...at least it might not just HCF
  • [14:46:48] <KotH> ka6sox: unfortunately, not all gps receiver manufacturerers are bound to the us gov
  • [14:46:52] <KotH> :)
  • [14:46:53] <mdp> panto, take that back
  • [14:47:03] <mdp> it's well known we can fix everything in s/w
  • [14:47:18] <panto> I can't I just love HCF, my favorite instruction
  • [14:48:18] <mru> my favourite _real_ instruction has to be EIEIO
  • [14:48:23] <ka6sox> KotH, I'm trading in my TFH for a Bunker.... I'm not sure that the NK's didn't wire up SDA/SCL right.
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  • [14:49:17] <KotH> eh..
  • [14:49:35] <KotH> ka6sox: i've seen devices explode... but unless it's a big ass capacitor, you're safe
  • [14:50:12] <ka6sox> KotH, I have a "test chamber" but in light of recent events I hesitate to say what it is.
  • [14:50:38] <KotH> ka6sox: test chamber for alien technology? ;)
  • [14:51:05] <ka6sox> for things might let blue smoke out....
  • [14:51:18] <av500> pressure cooker
  • [14:51:19] <ka6sox> although its not as shiny as the Wolf Blitzer model.
  • [14:54:50] <ka6sox> 50 million Charbucks in Silicon Valley and I had to pick the one that has the "no water" issue :P
  • [14:55:15] <av500> no water?
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  • [14:56:14] <ka6sox> apparently the water main has an issue
  • [14:56:23] <ka6sox> (or a leak someplace)
  • [14:56:35] <av500> ah
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  • [14:57:24] <ka6sox> and no...its not coffee..but rather hot caffienated dirt thrown in a cup with water.
  • [14:58:10] <av500> unles "no water"
  • [14:58:13] <av500> then its pure dirt
  • [14:58:23] <ka6sox> you got it.
  • [14:59:19] <ka6sox> the only thing palletable is the Blond roast...but asking for a "Tall Blonde" might get you slapped.
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  • [15:00:17] <ka6sox> panto, what do you want me to probe with the scope?
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  • [15:00:38] <panto> ka6sox, not yet
  • [15:00:49] <panto> let's plan to do this on Monday
  • [15:01:05] <panto> still have some wtfs I'm hunting down
  • [15:01:25] <ka6sox> monday is good...its almost Beer:30 there and I've not found anything resembling coffee yet
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  • [15:28:16] <wmat> ka6sox: just got back
  • [15:29:06] <mranostay> wmat: from harvesting maple syrup?
  • [15:29:30] <mranostay> bradfa: i demand a #fuzzypicturefriday
  • [15:29:47] <wmat> mranostay: no, I was checking my trap lines ;)
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  • [15:33:22] <ka6sox> wmat, does elinux.org have template forms?
  • [15:33:49] <wmat> ka6sox: not formally, but you're welcome to write one
  • [15:33:55] <ka6sox> okay..thanks
  • [15:34:28] * bradfa starts looking for things to fuzzy picture...
  • [15:34:29] <wmat> just remember to protect the template, if you don't want anyone changing it
  • [15:35:04] * KotH calls it a friday
  • [15:35:09] <KotH> have a nice weekend boys!
  • [15:35:24] <ka6sox> ya, yesterday I had to illustrate a point about the insecurity of a piece of equipment...
  • [15:35:30] <ka6sox> KotH, have a good weekend!
  • [15:35:47] <ka6sox> and made the radios all over LA display "Kilroy was Here!"
  • [15:36:38] <mranostay> bradfa: you have a vintage camera phone you sell it to a hipster
  • [15:37:34] <bradfa> mranostay, let me take some pictures with my phone for you, you'll enjoy those even more than my others
  • [15:38:23] <bradfa> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/556953_3430588292182_1848214623_n.jpg
  • [15:38:26] <bradfa> that's with my phone
  • [15:38:30] <bradfa> that's the "high res" setting
  • [15:38:37] <bradfa> of my crashed civic last spring
  • [15:38:54] <bradfa> pro-tip: don't drive a car
  • [15:39:31] <ka6sox> at the track thats but a flesh wound....
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  • [15:40:06] <av500> +1
  • [15:40:20] <av500> bradfa: looks artsy
  • [15:40:29] <mranostay> heh
  • [15:40:46] <bradfa> ka6sox, GEICO said it's a $14k wound
  • [15:40:52] <bradfa> bought me a new car
  • [15:40:57] <av500> nice
  • [15:41:01] <bradfa> and sent me to doctor for 3 months
  • [15:41:05] <bradfa> was fun
  • [15:41:06] <bradfa> true story
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  • [15:41:13] <av500> you were sitting on the left fender?
  • [15:41:16] <av500> when it happened?
  • [15:41:30] <bradfa> May 2012
  • [15:41:49] <bradfa> other driver crossed into my side of the road, he was going 40 mph in the other direction
  • [15:42:09] <bradfa> I had a pizza on the front seat prior to the crash, then I had a pizza full of glass on the floor
  • [15:42:31] <mru> did insurance replace the pizza?
  • [15:42:35] <bradfa> sadly, no
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  • [15:42:45] <mru> useless insurance
  • [15:42:47] <bradfa> and I was hungry the rest of the day!
  • [15:43:04] <av500> bunch of savages in this town!
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  • [15:44:08] <bradfa> almost lunch time!
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  • [15:44:28] <mru> beer o'clock is rapidly approaching here
  • [15:44:34] <Turl> hi wmat
  • [15:45:27] <proesel> Hello, I have a C++ question, nothing spezial to the beagle, is it ok to ask here ?
  • [15:45:47] <mru> what makes you think we can answer?
  • [15:46:03] <mdp> yay, beer:30
  • [15:46:07] <Turl> wmat: there's some spam on elinux (which apparently you submitted?) http://www.elinux.org/User:Redwqshhddel
  • [15:46:46] <wmat> Turl: yeah, I banned that User already, but hadn't deleted their page yet. Thanks for the reminder.
  • [15:46:48] <proesel> I got a lot of help here for my project, so I'm sure many of the people here know what they do
  • [15:47:13] <mru> many of us so much so that we don't use c++
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  • [15:48:12] <proesel> what do you use?
  • [15:48:17] <wmat> mdp: http://beeroclock.in/
  • [15:48:46] <mru> c, assembly, shell, or whatever else is best suited
  • [15:50:06] <proesel> k.
  • [15:50:17] <mdp> wmat, yes! 5 more minutes!
  • [15:50:21] <mranostay> mru!!!eleven1
  • [15:50:44] <mranostay> mdp: no drinking before noon?
  • [15:51:03] <mdp> mranostay, bah
  • [15:51:09] <wmat> mdp: might be a little early for me :/. EDT, afterall.
  • [15:51:14] <mdp> I'm just following the website
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  • [15:51:41] <mru> the website says there's another hour to go here
  • [15:51:43] <wmat> figured that
  • [15:52:10] <mdp> the app needs some work...need a .5L of weissbier option
  • [15:52:16] <mdp> in the proper glass
  • [15:52:18] <wmat> apparently it's devs start drinking at noon on Fridays
  • [15:52:32] <wmat> well, in EDT anyway
  • [15:52:39] <mdp> not that there's anything wrong with that...
  • [15:52:52] <wmat> oh, I'm not judging ;)
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  • [15:54:51] <wmat> after a 23C temp day yesterday, it's to be -1C tomorrow. Where's the global warming when I need it? :(
  • [15:55:23] <mru> does doing battle with spec2k entitle one to a head start?
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  • [16:11:43] <mranostay> wmat: why do people live in such weirdo places?
  • [16:11:55] <_av500_> beer
  • [16:11:59] <clh> howdy folks .. we just got a beagle bone :) has anyone interfaced with I2C?
  • [16:11:59] <mru> mranostay: talking about yourself?
  • [16:12:22] <mranostay> i was young and needed the money
  • [16:12:37] <mru> correction, you _are_ young
  • [16:12:47] <mru> dunno about the money
  • [16:13:05] <panto> clh, yes
  • [16:13:24] <clh> panto : did you write C code or something else?
  • [16:13:26] <wmat> mranostay: I blame my parents.
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  • [16:13:50] <panto> what kind of i2c peripheral do you want to access
  • [16:14:19] <clh> panto : we have a number of sensors we are wanting to talk to .. temp, for example
  • [16:14:53] <clh> I'm familiar with the linux I2C project, but seems like folks aren't using that
  • [16:14:55] <panto> if there's a linux driver for the i2c chip you can easily accesses via the standard linux mechanisms
  • [16:15:06] <clh> ah, well perfect .. that is what I was hoping
  • [16:15:38] <panto> even if there's not you can hack around with i2ctools
  • [16:15:41] <clh> panto: if there isn't, do I need to write a driver or are there generalized "drivers" that I would start with
  • [16:15:54] <mdp> or just use some gpios
  • [16:16:06] <dotc> Do they really make linux drivers for small sensor IC's? That seems a large leap between high and low level systems.
  • [16:16:13] <panto> don't mind the trolls, we have an infestation...
  • [16:16:24] <panto> shoo shoo mdp :)
  • [16:16:29] <mdp> panto, ;)
  • [16:16:35] <mdp> it *is* friday
  • [16:16:39] <panto> dotc, define high & low level systems
  • [16:16:42] <panto> tgif!
  • [16:16:55] <panto> I don't see such a distinction anymore
  • [16:17:03] <panto> I see good design, and bad design
  • [16:17:07] <clh> panto, any particular place you'd recommend a particular place to look for drivers, or just google it
  • [16:17:19] <clh> panto : I agree .. it's just linux and it's just a peripheral
  • [16:17:23] <panto> the linux driver sources have a sh*tton
  • [16:17:38] <clh> dotc : http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/I2CTools
  • [16:18:08] <panto> clh, that's when there's no driver and you access the i2c bus directly
  • [16:18:38] <panto> if you do have an i2c driver for linux it's best to use that
  • [16:19:58] <clh> here's a blog where a guy is connecting multiple I2C devices on the beagle bone http://www.gigamegablog.com/2012/11/04/beaglebone-coding-101-i2c/
  • [16:21:29] <dotc> I would prefer to acess the I2C port directly. If I can read and write bytes through I2C, and set the bus speed, I can make my own driver.
  • [16:21:44] <dotc> What is the best way to go about doing that?
  • [16:21:47] <clh> panto .. when you say "i2c driver" do you mean specifically for that sensor or the i2c-tools
  • [16:21:56] <panto> driver for that sensor
  • [16:22:01] <dotc> that was my next question
  • [16:22:37] <panto> look, don't treat the bone as a grown up arduino
  • [16:22:41] <clh> panto .. if we are to make a driver, would we write directly to the registers from kernel land, or would we stay in user land and write through i2c-tools
  • [16:23:03] <panto> write kernel driver, it's trivial
  • [16:23:27] <panto> and when you do it, you can easily package everything in a cape, and have less things to worry about
  • [16:23:30] <clh> ok, cool
  • [16:23:38] <panto> banging values with i2ctool is good for quick hacks
  • [16:23:47] <dotc> I like quick.
  • [16:23:50] <panto> but you will run into problems
  • [16:23:56] <_av500_> panto: like?
  • [16:24:03] <_av500_> other than your wrath
  • [16:24:27] <panto> like not being to use your device from any other standard linux tool
  • [16:24:55] <panto> i.e. you have a sensor? chances are there's a sensor device model you can use
  • [16:25:14] <panto> you can leverage code, and the diagnostics of said subsystem will work with a standard linux driver
  • [16:25:20] <_av500_> emacs, will emacs be affected?
  • [16:25:21] <clh> good point
  • [16:25:31] <panto> go your own way, and you'll get to re-invent the wheel again
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  • [16:26:07] <mdp> _av500_, emacs sensor mode will work with these drivers
  • [16:26:08] <panto> so you saved a couple of days upfront, and then you are married to your hack for the duration of your project
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  • [16:27:16] <panto> and god help you if you do any other accesses on the same i2c bus to other devices concurrently
  • [16:27:21] <ka6sox> (or beyond)
  • [16:27:54] <panto> and for god's sake, take a look at what it takes to write an i2c driver
  • [16:28:06] <panto> it's easier than using i2ctools
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  • [16:28:48] <clh> panto .. do you know offhand a decent device we could use as an example?
  • [16:29:15] <panto> don't go for decent, go for one that's close to what you want to do
  • [16:29:58] <clh> panto .. ok.
  • [16:29:58] <dotc> take the MPL115A2 IC for example.
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  • [16:30:08] <clh> dotc : do you have a link to it?
  • [16:30:10] <panto> hi modmaker
  • [16:30:16] <panto> I was looking for you
  • [16:30:21] <dotc> one second
  • [16:30:33] <modmaker> hi panto
  • [16:30:50] <dotc> A link to what exatly?
  • [16:30:53] <dotc> The datasheet?
  • [16:30:55] <clh> dotc .. looks like there is a driver for it here http://www.coocox.com/driver_comp/mpl115a2-c602.html?mc=1&sc=5
  • [16:31:05] <clh> dotc: I found it with google
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  • [16:31:20] <clh> panto : so in this case, would you recommend trying to use the driver first?
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  • [16:31:41] <panto> clh, that's not a linux driver
  • [16:32:09] <clh> damnit
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  • [16:32:24] <dotc> it's C, and we can run that on the beaglebone
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  • [16:33:10] <panto> dotc, no you can't
  • [16:33:21] <_av500_> D?
  • [16:33:22] <panto> just because it's C doesn't make it runnable
  • [16:33:43] <panto> drivers/misc/bmp085-i2c.c <- barometric pressure sensor
  • [16:33:52] <ogra_> running with letters ...
  • [16:33:59] <panto> just 84 lines
  • [16:34:26] <panto> which use the 478 lines of the generic driver :)
  • [16:34:36] <clh> thanks
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  • [16:34:39] <panto> but the i2c overhead is just that, less than 100 lines
  • [16:34:42] <_av500_> its lines all the way down
  • [16:35:05] <panto> modmaker, what can you tell us about the missing PRU instructions?
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  • [16:35:25] <panto> you mention MAC in the sources, but I can't find any reference for it anywhere
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  • [16:36:19] <modmaker> panto: as far as I've seen thus far the TRM rev C is implemented
  • [16:37:09] <modmaker> I'm using the MAC heavily and it also seems to be working.
  • [16:37:26] <panto> what is this about problems with it then?
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  • [16:38:24] <modmaker> IIRC I encountered a timing issue with one of the status or control bits.
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  • [16:39:07] <modmaker> And I had some problems using it in multiply with accumulator mode, but that may be due to lacking documentation.
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  • [16:39:28] <panto> ok, do you have that insn in the assembler? I don't seem to find it
  • [16:40:09] <modmaker> There is no separate instruction for the multiplier. It's a device connected to the bus used with XIN/XOUT etc.
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  • [16:40:31] <panto> oh
  • [16:40:58] <panto> got an example how to use it?
  • [16:41:52] <panto> I see it in the c rev of the trm
  • [16:42:25] <modmaker> LDI R25.b0, #1 ; multiply & accumulate
  • [16:42:27] <modmaker> XOUT 0, R25, #1 ; set MAC mode: do multiply
  • [16:42:29] <modmaker> OR R0, R0, R0 ; carry is one cycle late, insert NOP
  • [16:42:31] <modmaker> XIN 0, R25, #1 ; fetch overflow / carry bit and result
  • [16:42:44] <panto> k, thanks
  • [16:43:18] <modmaker> This is a code snippet from my BIST routine that tests the multiplier to make sure it's ok.
  • [16:43:54] <modmaker> You'll find all the information you need in the TRM.
  • [16:44:26] <panto> yep, somehow I missed having the c rev
  • [16:45:30] <modmaker> From the lines above you also see a problem area: carry is late!
  • [16:45:51] <_av500_> ome
  • [16:45:53] <_av500_> omg
  • [16:46:00] <_av500_> https://semiaccurate.com/2013/04/19/archos-shakes-up-cell-phones-with-three-new-models/
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  • [16:47:10] <ogra_> no ubuntu one ?
  • [16:47:13] <ogra_> pffft ...
  • [16:47:15] <panto> _av500_, so you're actually working instead of chatting on the IRC all the time?
  • [16:47:28] <_av500_> yes
  • [16:47:44] <_av500_> ogra_: the ubuntu guy never returned my calls
  • [16:47:52] <ogra_> haha
  • [16:47:54] <_av500_> or was that the sailfish one
  • [16:47:59] <_av500_> or the FFos one
  • [16:48:03] <_av500_> or tizen?
  • [16:48:30] <_av500_> ogra_: but you can ad d3 models to your "we ported it" list
  • [16:48:34] <_av500_> add 3*
  • [16:51:16] <ogra_> well, do you have images to link ?
  • [16:51:50] <dotc> panto : is it possible to telnet into the beaglebone?
  • [16:52:00] <panto> yes
  • [16:52:07] <panto> but you have ssh already running
  • [16:52:22] <panto> use ssh, it's more secure
  • [16:52:42] <dotc> panto : how do I know the address?
  • [16:55:48] <panto> dotc, how do you know your PCs address?
  • [16:55:52] <_av500_> ogra_: no, I expect you to do the work
  • [16:55:59] <_av500_> and the article links a jpg image
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  • [16:56:00] <_av500_> :)
  • [16:56:11] <ogra_> _av500_, so send me the devices and i will :)
  • [16:56:15] <panto> either you configure it manually, or you configure the dhcp server and nameserver
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  • [16:58:42] <mdp> no tizen support...fail
  • [16:59:43] <_av500_> yeah
  • [16:59:50] <_av500_> but then, we have key people at intel now
  • [16:59:56] <_av500_> so tizen should self port it
  • [17:00:05] <_av500_> self*
  • [17:00:18] <mdp> famous irc people
  • [17:00:20] <panto> mranostay, get on it...
  • [17:00:27] <panto> you have till beer o'clock
  • [17:00:51] <ogra_> he said at 7pm ...
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  • [17:01:32] <mdp> panto, give him the appropriate "2 week" estimated amount of time
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  • [17:02:04] <_av500_> well, with all the rain, what else is he gonna do anyway
  • [17:02:13] <_av500_> port himself senseless
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  • [17:03:11] <panto> hey, it's portland
  • [17:03:20] <panto> the bagpipes don't play themselves you know
  • [17:03:25] <ogra_> where they make ports ...
  • [17:03:26] <mdp> he'll be porting the kernel to x86
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  • [17:06:01] <_av500_> hmm, ibm to sell x86 server business to lenoro
  • [17:06:17] <_av500_> mranostay: kid, learn chinese!
  • [17:06:35] <clh> panto : I have gotten logged into my beagle bone ??? do folks typically setup a cross-compile toolchain, or compile on the device for simple things like the drivers we are going to make
  • [17:07:16] <panto> clh, for real development better use a cross compiling setup
  • [17:07:30] <panto> but for quick one-off, beat yourself silly on it
  • [17:10:17] <_av500_> compiling the kernel on the bone might take time
  • [17:11:16] <mdp> I only compile quick little test apps for userspace on the target..I find that convenient..for testing the drivers
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  • [17:13:01] <mranostay> panto: not in the Tizen division
  • [17:13:14] <_av500_> not yet
  • [17:13:19] <panto> mranostay, you think we care about reason over here?
  • [17:13:27] <panto> intel = tizen...
  • [17:13:31] <panto> tizen, tizen, tizen
  • [17:13:38] <koen> #tizenallthematts
  • [17:13:59] * mranostay feels like he will be whipping boy at #beagle for intel sillyness
  • [17:14:12] <_av500_> er, yes
  • [17:14:17] <panto> yes
  • [17:14:23] <_av500_> but secretly you will laugh at us
  • [17:14:47] <koen> no more uboot madness
  • [17:14:50] <mranostay> you do know Intel has 100k employees
  • [17:14:52] <koen> only uefi niceness
  • [17:15:56] <panto> mranostay, we don't care, you're a nice juicy target
  • [17:16:09] <panto> oh, and fix that pentium floating bug while you're at it
  • [17:16:16] <_av500_> juicy?
  • [17:16:17] <_av500_> bony
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  • [17:16:42] <_av500_> mranostay: that nixie lure done?
  • [17:16:50] <panto> juicy in a matter of speech
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  • [17:29:02] <clh> panto, thanks. what toolchain are you using? I see there is this cloud9 IDE
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  • [17:29:18] <panto> that's nodejs (javascript)
  • [17:29:22] <panto> use angstrom's
  • [17:31:00] <clh> panto : thanks a lot .. it's been awhile since I've worked embedded .. last time was when you had to actually manually build a cross-compile toolchain
  • [17:31:28] <panto> you can still do it if you crave for it :)
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  • [17:50:38] <ka6sox> panto, mranostay you guys have any interest in SWD stuff?
  • [17:50:50] <ka6sox> the 2/3 wire cortex debugger stuff?
  • [17:51:04] <panto> I guess so
  • [17:51:07] <panto> it's jtag isn't it?
  • [17:51:48] <panto> got to take off for 20
  • [17:51:51] <ka6sox> not really..some of it looks more akin to i2c with jtag like instructions embedded.
  • [17:54:25] <ka6sox> let the PRU (get ready for it) bitbang this out :)
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  • [17:57:40] <koen> ka6sox: I haven't spoken to darren in a few days, any updates on audio?
  • [17:57:46] <koen> hdmi audio, that is
  • [17:59:23] <ka6sox> I got an update the other day from him, haven't seen the code yet.
  • [17:59:34] <ka6sox> I should have asked him then.
  • [17:59:47] <ka6sox> he had a pretty hacked DRM for it iirc...
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  • [18:51:00] <prpplague> jkridner|work: pissst
  • [18:51:06] <prpplague> jkridner|work: video - https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/EiUTqvvuMF4
  • [18:51:07] <jkridner|work> ?
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  • [18:56:10] <mdp> lol
  • [18:56:14] <prpplague> koen: hehe already received
  • [18:56:17] <mdp> already blocked ;)
  • [18:56:19] <prpplague> koen: hehe
  • [18:56:33] <mdp> oh the magic of computers
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  • [18:58:01] <_av500_> prpplague: cant wathc your vid
  • [18:58:05] <_av500_> has EMI music
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  • [18:58:27] <prpplague> _av500_: yea removing it now
  • [18:58:37] <prpplague> it's far use, but oh well
  • [18:58:51] <_av500_> fair use?
  • [18:59:10] <ka6sox> ya, but then you have to fight them :p
  • [18:59:11] <_av500_> you willing to go up to the SCOTUS?
  • [18:59:47] <ka6sox> kay time to drive...too many kms to go before I sleep.
  • [19:00:06] <mdp> EMI vs. Zipper ... Fight!
  • [19:01:28] <prpplague> mdp: hehe
  • [19:02:09] <wmat> prpplague: you're removing the video?
  • [19:02:31] <wmat> I suppose I shouldn't share it then
  • [19:02:34] <prpplague> wmat: re-uploading without the audio
  • [19:02:39] <prpplague> wmat: already removed
  • [19:03:43] <prpplague> didn't expect a problem since it should be under fair use terms
  • [19:04:19] * mranostay calls the FBI on prpplague
  • [19:04:30] <mranostay> if you see something say something
  • [19:04:33] <koen> youtube robocheck doesn't care about fair use
  • [19:04:44] <prpplague> koen: yea seems so
  • [19:04:48] <_av500_> yeah
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  • [19:07:18] <ka6sox-farfarawa> bbl
  • [19:07:36] <mranostay> fair use has a grey area that youtube doesn't care to straddle :)
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  • [19:16:40] <jkridner|work> prpplague: why did you take it down?
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  • [19:17:00] <jkridner|work> ah, the music
  • [19:17:12] <prpplague> jkridner|work: uploading without the music now
  • [19:17:32] <prpplague> jkridner|work: it was fair use, but no need for trouble
  • [19:17:52] <mranostay> heh
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  • [19:28:25] <thaha> alan_o: It didnt work
  • [19:30:57] <prpplague> jkridner|work: https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/NEtZ9GyKfMN
  • [19:31:01] <prpplague> jkridner|work: audio removed
  • [19:31:11] <panto> time to go now
  • [19:31:12] <panto> g'night
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  • [19:34:43] <wmat> heh
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  • [19:51:07] <prpplague> jkridner|work: would you like some bacon? https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/Ci1DDtL7F6j
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  • [19:55:11] <Shadyman> ^
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  • [20:01:21] <Shadyman> NishanthMenon wins 2 internets for thinking the same thing I was.
  • [20:01:35] <NishanthMenon> Shadyman, hehe ;)
  • [20:03:07] <alan_o> koen: around?
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  • [20:12:20] <koen> alan_o: yes
  • [20:14:00] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/PXrkFg
  • [20:14:00] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 77fea46 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add hdmi patches...
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  • [20:23:45] <david_____> hey guys can i connect beagle bone using soley ethernet cable?
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  • [20:25:30] <alan_o> koen: I was helping thaha last night get a -xM going and wasn't sure which combination of files on http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ was the right set to use for -xM
  • [20:25:37] <alan_o> koen: since some say -beagleboard
  • [20:26:16] <thaha> alan_o: hi, it still didnt work yesterday
  • [20:26:19] <alan_o> koen: he's getting stuck at uncompressing.... iirc.
  • [20:27:13] <koen> alan_o: all the binaries work on both
  • [20:27:30] <koen> but check the console= settings
  • [20:27:35] <koen> that changed between kernels
  • [20:27:41] <thaha> aslan_o: I wanted to get the output on serial console
  • [20:28:02] <thaha> koen: how do I change the console settings?
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  • [20:29:33] <alan_o> thaha: I'd try the latest everything then. Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2 with MLO, u-boot.img
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  • [20:30:02] <alan_o> thaha: make sure console is ttyO2
  • [20:30:26] <thaha> where should I look for that?
  • [20:30:35] <alan_o> it's in the command line passed to the kernel
  • [20:30:40] <alan_o> passed from uboot
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  • [20:30:48] <thaha> so i have to edit the uboot ?
  • [20:30:50] <alan_o> part of the u-boot environment
  • [20:31:03] <alan_o> or change the script
  • [20:31:19] <thaha> xM has only MLO and u-boot.img right?
  • [20:31:33] <alan_o> not sure what that means
  • [20:31:47] <thaha> which of these should i change? is a change possible?
  • [20:31:48] <alan_o> MLO is x-loader, u-boot.img is the bootloader that loads the kernel.
  • [20:32:08] <alan_o> Those are binareis
  • [20:32:11] <alan_o> binaries
  • [20:32:15] <alan_o> you don't change them
  • [20:32:23] <thaha> ermmm.... which script should i edit for ttyO2?
  • [20:32:29] <thaha> yeah ... thats why i was confused :)
  • [20:32:30] <alan_o> but from the u-boot command line, make sure ttyO2 is the console
  • [20:32:38] <alan_o> Ther'es a script that it reads
  • [20:32:43] <alan_o> look at the environment in u-boot
  • [20:32:44] <thaha> while it boots?
  • [20:32:47] <alan_o> printenv
  • [20:32:48] <alan_o> no
  • [20:32:50] <thaha> printenv?
  • [20:32:54] <thaha> ok
  • [20:32:55] <alan_o> yes
  • [20:32:59] <thaha> ok will do that
  • [20:33:13] <thaha> will download the latest binaries also
  • [20:33:36] <thaha> alan_o: thanks... will update you after i finish it
  • [20:33:53] <alan_o> figure it out from there. You'll see commands in there that read a script. If you make that script (or if it's on the userland image, maybe in /boot) and/or edit it, you can make it so it will use ttyO2 every time
  • [20:34:07] <alan_o> but you can set it one-time from the command line easily too
  • [20:35:21] <thaha> ok
  • [20:35:29] <thaha> console=ttyO2,115200n8
  • [20:35:32] <thaha> ?
  • [20:36:07] <prpplague> modmaker: ping
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  • [20:42:17] <wmat> interesting, BBB reboot failed with ** File not found /bot/uImage ** after opkg upgrade
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  • [20:44:48] <CareBear\> prpplague wmat : hey there boys
  • [20:45:06] <wmat> CareBear\: howdy
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  • [20:55:53] <david_____> What is segmentation error when i run PRU stuff
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  • [21:03:48] <alan_o> thaha: something like that
  • [21:03:56] <mranostay> alan_o: who let you in here?
  • [21:04:28] * wmat gets his clippers
  • [21:04:32] <alan_o> mru left the door unlocked again
  • [21:05:14] * mranostay gets his shotgun
  • [21:06:51] <mranostay> alan_o: we don't like yer kind arounds here
  • [21:07:15] <alan_o> I thought we were the same kind....
  • [21:07:28] <wmat> mranostay: do you mean Floridians?
  • [21:08:12] <mranostay> yes
  • [21:08:23] <alan_o> oh, _that_ kind....
  • [21:08:30] <mranostay> he isn't even from the cool part of Florida
  • [21:08:39] <alan_o> which part is that?
  • [21:08:39] <mranostay> which is just Miami and the rest sucks :P
  • [21:08:47] <alan_o> really?
  • [21:08:50] <wmat> he speaks Midwest though
  • [21:09:47] <mranostay> wmat: you are one to talk, eh? :)
  • [21:09:53] <alan_o> you can have Miami :)
  • [21:10:40] * mranostay looks at hippie apartments in Portlandia
  • [21:11:18] <wmat> the ending of an expression with eh should be mandatory everywhere
  • [21:11:39] <mranostay> is eh a preposition? :)
  • [21:11:49] <wmat> eh
  • [21:12:56] <mranostay> wmat: a'boot? :)
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  • [21:14:25] <wmat> also proper
  • [21:14:28] <wmat> dude
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  • [21:16:46] <mranostay> that is a california accent
  • [21:17:05] <mranostay> lots of use of 'like'
  • [21:17:29] <thaha> alan_o: still doesnt work
  • [21:18:19] <thaha> It says Uncompressing Linux...done, booting the kernel
  • [21:18:55] <thaha> printenv console gave the output : console=ttyO2,115200n8
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  • [21:21:18] <alan_o> thaha: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Kernel_-_Common_Problems_Booting_Linux
  • [21:22:49] <thaha> printenv bootargs gave this .....## Error: "bootargs" not defined :O
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  • [21:23:22] <alan_o> thaha: it might not be called bootargs
  • [21:23:35] <thaha> ok
  • [21:23:36] <alan_o> think of all that environment stuff as scripts
  • [21:25:14] <alan_o> thaha: I've done this before on -xM http://dpaste.com/1065393/
  • [21:25:29] <alan_o> but I'm booting from a uImage on the FAT partition
  • [21:25:54] <thaha> ok
  • [21:26:02] <thaha> I have a uImage in /boot/
  • [21:27:22] <thaha> alan_o: I think I can safely assume Cuase#2 and Cause#3 to be not causing this
  • [21:27:29] <thaha> since I am using the given files
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  • [21:29:35] <jkridner|work> koen: are you going to update http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ with the 4.13 image?
  • [21:31:47] <thaha> Can I change the parameter defaultdisplay=dvi to defaultdisplay=serial?
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  • [21:48:15] <alan_o> That's apparently what kids in Davenport, FL do. We got hit driving through there one night. Kids with nothing to do on a weekend night I suppose.
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  • [21:54:59] <errordeveloper> hey, on the beaglebone
  • [21:55:49] <errordeveloper> is there a way to find CPU temperature via the /sys or /proc or any other interface???
  • [21:56:18] <errordeveloper> well, I'd be interested in any other built-in sensors also ...
  • [21:57:07] <errordeveloper> CPU temperature comes is something of the top of my head really ..
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  • [22:05:50] <Tartarus> spruh73h (am335x trm) out
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  • [22:20:36] <mranostay> alan_o: what rebels
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  • [22:40:11] <hitlin37> i don't see any dsp related porkect in this year list of gsoc.is there no dsp core in beaglebone next?
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  • [22:41:44] <thaha> alan_o: I finally got Angstrom to boot on my revC.... downloaded another image from circuitco and it worked out of the box.... Nothing from the Angstrom Beagleboard demo worked
  • [22:42:03] <thaha> Thanks for all your help.... still i dont know why it wouldnt work
  • [22:43:30] <alan_o> no problem. Sorry we couldn't get the angstrom images booting for you :(
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  • [22:47:30] <errordeveloper> any thoughts on CPU temperature question?
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  • [22:48:12] <alan_o> errordeveloper: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OMAP35x_Technical_Reference_Manual_%28TRM%29
  • [22:48:29] <alan_o> errordeveloper: not sure what sensors are available or how to access them, but the TRM does.
  • [22:48:38] <alan_o> oh wait
  • [22:48:39] <alan_o> wrong one
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  • [22:49:10] <alan_o> errordeveloper: http://www.ti.com/product/am3359 Technical Reference Manual
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  • [22:55:09] <errordeveloper> alan_o: http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73h/spruh73h.pdf
  • [22:55:35] <errordeveloper> yeah ... I'm looking into that now
  • [22:56:29] <alan_o> yes, that's the one I sent you :)
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  • [22:57:46] <joel___> Anyone familiar with using the STM (system trace macrocell)?
  • [22:57:51] <errordeveloper> alan_o: nothing seems to be exposed via /sys or /proc on Linux thouhg ...
  • [22:58:37] <alan_o> errordeveloper: I'm not even sure what sensors are available on the CPU, if any
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  • [23:00:28] <joel___> Doing some research on this, but just would like to know if wondering before I setup if reading the ETB messages requires a debugger with STM port access.
  • [23:00:35] <errordeveloper> alan_o: i though any CPU these days has the thermometer though...
  • [23:00:44] <alan_o> maybe
  • [23:00:46] <alan_o> check the TRM
  • [23:02:21] <ds2> STM? not the ETM?
  • [23:04:12] <joel___> ds2: don't know much about ETM. Can you elaborate?
  • [23:04:33] <ds2> that's the debugging unit on ARM cores to let you look at the instruction history
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  • [23:04:38] <ds2> is that the part you are referring to?
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  • [23:05:12] <joel___> ds2: yes, ETM is a part of the overall STM arch
  • [23:05:14] <joel___> http://www.arm.com/products/system-ip/debug-trace/trace-macrocells-etm/coresight-system-trace-macrocell.php
  • [23:05:37] <joel___> I guess that is what is used for the non-intrusive instruction tracing in the core
  • [23:05:44] <ds2> yes
  • [23:05:51] <ds2> it requires a $$$$$ debugger to grab that
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  • [23:06:40] <mranostay> a dollar debugger?
  • [23:06:58] <ds2> and the Beagle's don't bring out the signals for that either
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  • [23:08:51] <joel1_> sorry timed out, only http access in wife's university so I'm stuck with this for now :)
  • [23:09:11] <joel1_> ds2: Last I read was the "$$$$" bit
  • [23:09:41] <ds2> only other thing I said was -
  • [23:09:43] <ds2> and the Beagle's don't bring out the signals for that either
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  • [23:10:54] <joel1_> so what you're saying is ETB cannot be accessed directly (through memory reads etc) even though is essentially a buffer.
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  • [23:11:03] <joel1_> and getting access to it requires a costly debugger.
  • [23:11:35] <ds2> yes
  • [23:12:11] <joel1_> ok, thx
  • [23:12:22] <ds2> costly is relative... last year there were some offerings in the $3K range
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  • [23:12:30] <ds2> it used to be like $10K+
  • [23:13:11] <joel1_> TI's CCS team is actually working on some userspace tools to ship ETB trace info through Ethernet or UART to avoid going through the JTAG/STM ports to fetch it..
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  • [23:13:39] <joel1_> so you can just dump the ETB into a trace file or the like, and import it into a debugger.
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  • [23:16:35] <joel___> ds2: that'll be useful and wouldn't require a $$$$ debugger
  • [23:17:17] <joel___> only limiting you by the ETB space though (debuggers would have much more)
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  • [23:18:09] <joel___> ds2: this one can do STM: http://www.spectrumdigital.com/product_info.php?products_id=249
  • [23:19:33] <ds2> that'd would be cool
  • [23:19:55] <ds2> oh just $1K
  • [23:20:28] <ds2> I wonder if this is the same as the ETM
  • [23:20:35] <ds2> cuz it says 'selected TI devices'
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  • [23:22:00] <joel___> ds2: the link I pointed you to is for "System Trace Macrocell (STM)". If you click on the block diagram, it shows you ETM as a part of it. My understanding is ETM is what monitors the core
  • [23:22:11] <joel___> and stores it in a mailbox
  • [23:22:28] <joel___> and then that sends the trace data to the ETB for later collection (or for shipping through JTAG to the emulator)
  • [23:22:43] <ds2> the ETM that I know about requires special pins
  • [23:22:48] <ds2> you can see those pins on the datasheet
  • [23:22:52] <ds2> ETM_DTK ors omething like that
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  • [23:22:57] <wmat> damn, X on my A4 BBB is almost unusable
  • [23:27:18] <joel___> ds2: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/XDS560v2_System_Trace#Target_Board_Connector_Requirements
  • [23:27:38] <joel___> "20 pin compact TI connector can be used for System Trace as it has 4 pins for data and 1 pin for clock (EMU0-5)."
  • [23:28:59] <joel___> Only EMU pins are required
  • [23:29:06] <joel___> Probably what you're referring to is for older devices.
  • [23:29:29] <joel___> For system trace, even just 2 pins could be enough.
  • [23:29:37] <joel___> same wiki page, "TI 14 pin can be used, but can only carry 1 pin data and 1 pin clock (EMU0/1)"
  • [23:31:35] <ds2> think you said the magic word
  • [23:31:43] <ds2> TI connector not the stock ARM connector
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  • [23:34:42] <ds2> what I vaguely recall was a mictor so something connector is involved
  • [23:35:25] <joel___> right
  • [23:35:54] <joel___> but from hardware standpoint, EMU0 and 1 are both connected to ft2232 on a beaglebone
  • [23:36:14] <ds2> Oooooh...
  • [23:36:22] <ds2> you submitting patches for openocd ? :D
  • [23:36:55] <joel___> no I was just implying that the signals for system trace are indeed brought out on a beaglebone :P
  • [23:37:22] <ds2> but that is the natural next step
  • [23:38:54] <joel___> :)
  • [23:39:07] <ds2> it'd make a nice ELC2014 presentation!
  • [23:39:08] <joel___> once I understand all this, why not
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  • [23:40:35] <joel___> hehe
  • [23:41:46] <angs> does the date info is reset when a beagleboard is re-powered? I could test it by myself but I don't have the beagle with me right now. maybe someone knows the answer without trying it?
  • [23:42:51] <jkridner|work> yes, unless you add a battery for the RTC.
  • [23:43:04] <angs> jkridner|work, thank you
  • [23:43:15] <jkridner|work> beagleboard and beagleboard-xm have a place to add a battery. beaglebone does not.
  • [23:43:29] <ds2> besides the fact that it is broq on the bone? :D
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  • [23:47:54] <angs> I would like to ask a question regarding the SPI signal on http://i.stack.imgur.com/LXtjF.png would anyone know why the MOSI goes to zero a half cycle before the actual data is written on the bus? If it does not go to zero, would it cause any trouble?
  • [23:50:40] <angs> and does it have to go to zero on all SPI devices?
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