[00:01:08] <biot> my kid certainly does
[00:01:12] <biot> BUT ANYWAY
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[00:12:30] <mranostay> crpa prpplague is back
[00:16:41] <prpplague> :)
[00:16:58] <prpplague> and with veggie burgers and beer
[00:17:08] <biot> prpplague: you pang?
[00:17:21] <prpplague> biot: hmmm
[00:17:26] * prpplague tries to remember
[00:19:32] <mranostay> prpplague: veggie burgers? are those even legal in Texas?
[00:20:15] <prpplague> mranostay: ssshhh
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[00:20:36] <mru> mranostay: :)
[00:26:36] <prpplague> mranostay: cruising alone with that design?
[00:27:10] <Russ> prpplague, he better hurry up, or I'll send something off
[00:27:33] <mranostay> prpplague: i'm at my day job atm
[00:27:40] <prpplague> Russ: hehe, about the veggie burger?
[00:27:49] <mranostay> Russ: stop stealing my thunder :)
[00:27:50] <prpplague> mranostay: no worries, just teasing you
[00:28:04] <Russ> prpplague, about the design
[00:28:19] <prpplague> Russ: hehe
[00:28:45] * prpplague wonders if Russ wants in on the design
[00:28:58] <prpplague> or if Russ is just trolling
[00:29:04] <mranostay> never can tell
[00:29:09] <prpplague> indeed
[00:29:29] * prpplague is calling in a bunch of favors to get these projects done on time
[00:30:05] * mranostay wants to put a few Godfather references in here
[00:30:14] <prpplague> hehe
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[00:34:51] <mranostay> why do i feel prpplague is outsourcing his job? :P
[00:35:18] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe
[00:36:10] <prpplague> mranostay: just need people i trust to get the items done
[00:36:22] <prpplague> mranostay: get some pcb layout people later
[00:36:42] <prpplague> mranostay: i don't trust the "contractors" that CCO has been using for some of their smaller projects
[00:36:49] <ds2> "If you want it done right, do it yourself." ;)
[00:36:55] <prpplague> ds2: indeed
[00:37:13] <prpplague> mranostay: i don't have time to baby sit them to make sure it gets done
[00:37:58] <ds2> prpplague: shouldn't the correct term be 'supervise' and mentor the more junior folks so the team can be better improved :D
[00:38:20] <prpplague> ds2: these are outside contractors.....
[00:38:37] <ds2> oh
[00:38:58] <mranostay> prpplague: do these contracters work for a company that starts with M? :)
[00:39:21] <ds2> mranostay: they can't afford those
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[00:39:53] * mranostay fistbumps Crofton
[00:39:56] <mranostay> Crofton: my main IRC dude
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[00:40:50] <mranostay> seems that was too much
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[00:41:16] <prpplague> mranostay: no comment
[00:42:08] <mranostay> i already know they are... :P
[00:44:40] <prpplague> mranostay: then you know why i need people i can trust to get it done...
[00:48:53] <Crofton> so cold
[00:49:08] <Crofton> I need to give up sking and spend more time diving somewhere warm
[00:55:00] <wmat> diving seems to be the geeky sport of choice :/
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[00:55:07] <prpplague> Crofton: barbados?
[00:55:31] <Crofton> is the diving good?
[00:56:05] <mru> wmat: just wait until linus takes up fly fishing
[00:56:18] <wmat> heh
[00:56:26] <prpplague> little known fact, when the british imported the mongoose to barbados, they basically made snakes extinct
[00:56:37] <prpplague> so my wife has never seen a real live snake before
[00:56:58] * prpplague stopped at toys-r-us this evening and purchased a rather realistic looking snake
[00:56:59] <wmat> yes, but they have giant centipede
[00:57:04] <prpplague> wmat: indeed
[00:57:19] <mru> to me those seem creepier than snakes
[00:57:33] <mru> but then I'm from a part of the world with only harmless snakes
[00:58:23] <prpplague> well this plastic snake is going to be placed strategically in the shower later these week
[00:58:34] <wmat> prpplague: you're evil
[00:58:42] <mru> prpplague: pics please
[00:58:55] <prpplague> mru: of me being killed or of the snake?
[00:59:06] <mru> both?
[00:59:49] <prpplague> hehe
[01:00:13] <mru> maybe you'll be killed _with_ the snake
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[01:02:20] <prpplague> tonight on the news at 11 - man strangled to death with plastic snake
[01:04:44] <prpplague> hmm
[01:05:01] <Crofton> this makes Barbados attractive
[01:05:01] * prpplague tries to decide what to do with the extra usb port on the trainer lure
[01:05:12] <prpplague> Crofton: sorry yes, very good diving
[01:05:25] <prpplague> Crofton: several old ship wrecks
[01:05:38] <prpplague> Crofton: lots of good reef stuff
[01:05:46] * prpplague has never been but hears it is very good
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[01:22:04] <ka6sox-farfarawa> have we started the petition for next year yet?
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[01:41:18] <Russ> prpplague, embedded usb ssd
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[01:43:12] <prpplague> ka6sox-farfarawa: which petition is that?
[01:43:28] <ka6sox-farfarawa> prpplague, the one to move ELC to ELC-C
[01:43:43] <wmat> ELC Barbados, of course
[01:43:59] <ogra_> ELC-B
[01:44:43] <ka6sox-farfarawa> Central or Carribean...your choice
[01:45:41] <wmat> C==Canada ;)
[01:45:48] <prpplague> hehe
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[01:51:02] <ka6sox-farfarawa> s/ELC-C/ELC-B/g
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[02:03:38] <mranostay> prpplague: plastic snake?
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[02:05:18] <prpplague> mranostay: argh, can't finalize this lure, i was thinking of adding a gpio expander
[02:05:23] <prpplague> mranostay: too much?
[02:05:37] <prpplague> mranostay: and should i add a can bus tranceiver?
[02:05:40] <wmat> prpplague: add a bottle opener
[02:06:01] <prpplague> wmat: thats what i use my panda for
[02:06:20] <wmat> ouch
[02:06:43] * prpplague ponders
[02:07:21] <wmat> can you make it metallic red/white so I can catch pike with it
[02:07:44] <prpplague> hehe
[02:07:46] <ka6sox-farfarawa> an expander would be nice
[02:08:00] <ka6sox-farfarawa> can't have too much GPIO to use for bitbanging.
[02:08:36] <mranostay> PRU lure!!!
[02:10:16] <mrpackethead> prubang
[02:20:54] * prpplague grumbles about his feet being cold
[02:21:07] <mrpackethead> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/895006_10151509864377661_825530314_o.jpg
[02:21:56] <prpplague> damm that is one ugly person! there face looks like a pcb
[02:22:08] <mrpackethead> lol.
[02:22:26] <mrpackethead> that LED is scary bright
[02:22:36] <mrpackethead> you certinaly can't look at it head on.
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[02:35:26] <prpplague> the beacon lives again! muahahaa - http://www.elinux.org/Beacon_Lure#Description
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[02:56:27] <mrpackethead> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cseTX_rW3uM&feature=youtu.be&ref=nf this is crazy
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[03:08:40] <prpplague> Russ: what schematic capture and layout are you using?
[03:12:36] <Russ> gschem/geda pcb
[03:15:16] <prpplague> Russ: i need to retest with that
[03:15:45] <prpplague> Russ: i've been using kicad, but i really don't like how the applications aren't tightly integrated
[03:15:48] <Russ> prpplague, it takes some getting used to, but I've used it for more than 12 years
[03:16:02] <mranostay> beer o clock
[03:16:08] <prpplague> mranostay: ding!
[03:16:22] <prpplague> Russ: i just cant seem to get out of using orcad+pads
[03:16:36] <prpplague> i am hoping to get moved over to diptrace
[03:17:02] <mranostay> are we playing what our favorite circuit CAD is?
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[03:18:46] <prpplague> mranostay: trying to evaluate some options for CCO
[03:18:57] <mranostay> #eagleallthings
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[03:21:10] <mranostay> Crofton: !!!!!
[03:21:19] <Crofton> I am back for a bit
[03:22:11] <mranostay> prpplague: btw i'm totally making a Hello Kitty limited edition Bacon Cape :P
[03:22:29] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe
[03:22:55] * prpplague wonders what just happened
[03:23:04] <mranostay> prpplague: ironically i did a IIO patch this weekend
[03:23:10] <mranostay> to expose the ADC values
[03:23:11] <prpplague> big boom and the shook
[03:23:32] <mranostay> prpplague: we need a real driver for the shift register?
[03:23:37] <mranostay> or SPIdev fine?
[03:24:18] <prpplague> spidev is ok for now
[03:24:34] * prpplague wonders what that boom was
[03:24:53] <mranostay> i'm sure kridner will javascript this #$@$# up :)
[03:25:25] <prpplague> sssh
[03:25:34] <prpplague> don't speak the evil ones name
[03:25:39] <mranostay> kridner?
[03:26:06] <prpplague> hehe either one of the J's in your statement
[03:26:32] <mranostay> i hope he reads these logs
[03:26:46] <mranostay> JAVASCRIPT SUCKS!
[03:26:50] <mranostay> *whew*
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[03:34:31] <prpplague> interesting, seems diptrace works perfectly (or so it seems) under wine
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[03:35:26] <mranostay> prpplague: never trust things that just work
[03:37:05] <prpplague> hmm
[03:37:13] * prpplague wonders what formats eagle exports to
[03:39:15] * prpplague decides to test diptrace under wine for 30 days
[03:44:45] <emeb_mac> prpplague: I just did a design in diptrace on Win7 - went very nicely.
[03:45:14] <emeb_mac> haven't tried it w/ Wine tho.
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[03:50:06] <mranostay> wait windows still exists?
[03:50:32] <prpplague> emeb_mac: oh ?
[03:50:47] <prpplague> emeb_mac: any design files you could share me to play with for testing?
[03:51:32] <emeb_mac> prpplague: sorry, no - this is for a customer. that's why I used diptrace - it's their internal std.
[03:52:27] <prpplague> emeb_mac: ahh
[03:52:47] <prpplague> emeb_mac: question, what kind of reports can you get on the pcb layout stuff?
[03:53:45] <emeb_mac> prpplague: what sort of reports? you looking for things drill lists, net lengths, etc?
[03:54:28] <prpplague> emeb_mac: yea net lengths, i.e. for groups of differential pairs
[03:55:18] <emeb_mac> prpplague: I know that dt reports net lengths "live" when you mouse over them. Haven't tried matching tho.
[03:55:53] <emeb_mac> I'll fire it up and see...
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[03:57:52] <prpplague> emeb_mac: be interesting how it reports something like a group of fpdlink pairs
[03:58:13] <emeb_mac> prpplague: yeah that would be handy
[03:58:33] * prpplague tests orcad9 under wine
[03:59:43] <prpplague> emeb_mac: hehe btw, if you do a virtual box install of windows xp, install the 30 day eval of diptrace, then make a image backup, you can use it forever if you wanted to, hehe
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[04:00:32] <emeb_mac> prpplague: naughty naughty. ;)
[04:02:50] <prpplague> emeb_mac: i have purchased a full copy, but i found that out while i was doing the eval
[04:03:27] <emeb_mac> prpplague: I've been thinking about getting a copy too.
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[04:12:40] <prpplague> doh
[04:12:51] <prpplague> orcad installs but you can't place any parts
[04:12:54] <mranostay> doh doh
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[04:14:52] <mranostay> ka6sox seems to has gotten closer
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[04:15:28] * prpplague really needs to backup data off this machine and reload it
[04:16:42] <mranostay> ka6sox seems to has bit farther but not too far
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[04:33:44] <mranostay> prpplague: gg sparkfun they don't have the small slider part
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[04:40:08] <thurbad> woot, I feel like a newb.. but I JUST got a cmake project that I hacked up to cross compile
[04:40:31] <mranostay> thurbad: beer time!
[04:40:34] <Shadyman> woot
[04:40:40] <Shadyman> totally
[04:42:01] <thurbad> it may have taken me a couple hours to figure it out but the project took longer than that to compile natively a single time
[04:44:31] <thurbad> actually most of that time was spent foolishly trying to get it into eclipse
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[05:09:28] <mranostay> ethically compiled
[05:12:34] <_av500_> yarn
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[05:13:17] <mrpackethead> i've just had some allegro/orcad files converted to eagle
[05:13:21] <thurbad> stupid clock skew.... stupider me for not having the locale set on my beagle
[05:13:36] <_av500_> mrpackethead: eagle ftw
[05:14:16] <mrpackethead> For the Win?
[05:14:24] <_av500_> ftl then :)
[05:14:32] <mrpackethead> ftm actually
[05:14:56] <_av500_> everybody is happy
[05:15:15] <mrpackethead> theres some guys who do a conversion service, and its pretty good
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[05:26:16] <mranostay> even more badass
[05:32:19] <mrpackethead> i'm not really a fan of eagle, but i'm less of a fan of moving now
[05:32:20] <mrpackethead> :-(
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[05:47:19] <ds2> JAVA4EVER!
[05:48:46] <emeb_mac> now you're trolling
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[05:49:23] <ds2> if he wants cross platform...
[05:49:23] <av500> damn teleporters fluxxed, had to reroute via Jupiter station
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[06:37:54] <mranostay> av500: hell of a reroute
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[07:15:07] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/Kv9URw
[07:15:08] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 4bfe375 Koen Kooi: 3.8: fix email address in USB NOP patch...
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[07:31:06] <thurbad> just learned the -j compiler option...
[07:31:11] <thurbad> <- happy camper
[07:34:23] <av500> :)
[07:34:39] <av500> -j is addictive
[07:34:47] <av500> it makes you shop for more cores
[07:35:10] <thurbad> heh, I don't thinks macbooks come with more than 4 yet
[07:35:28] <thurbad> but I'm considering dedicating a 3rd one to my vm ~.~
[07:36:59] <thurbad> had a coworker that tried to dedicate 6 cores to his vm... his host only had 4
[07:37:10] <thurbad> :)
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[07:39:48] <thurbad> of course I /could/ leave the macbook at home and get another pc dedicated to linux
[07:40:16] <av500> unthinkable
[07:40:46] <thurbad> yeah, can't get to productive... they'd come to expect it :P
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[07:47:59] <koen> gcc -j or make -j ?
[07:48:34] <av500> ls -j
[07:49:14] <koen> I did some tests with xz -T0 and telling the VM to show 8 cores to linux was faster than 4 cores
[07:49:22] <koen> on a quad i7 with 8 threads
[07:49:24] <thurbad> make
[07:49:55] <koen> I do wish parallels vm would allow more than 8GB of ram for the vm
[07:51:38] <aholler> ht
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[08:10:37] <ynezz> koen: you use vm for building your roms? isn't quite a lot of power burned in the virtualization layers?
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[08:12:32] <ynezz> mainly the io is considerably slower for me, no matter if it's on SSD
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[08:15:42] <rossrossau> is this a dog owners forum?
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[08:16:46] <aholler> rossrossau: no
[08:17:41] <ynezz> no? I've a dog
[08:18:02] <aholler> so you mean this is a phorum?
[08:18:28] <ynezz> since there's a lot of troll, I think so
[08:18:34] <ynezz> s/troll/trolls/
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[08:20:42] <ynezz> and he didn't said yet, if his dog is feed with granules or with 5V DC supply
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[08:21:46] <aholler> as he can't read the topic, I barely think he knows what "5v dc" means
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[08:42:01] <koen> ynezz: I don't build ROMs
[08:42:10] <koen> ynezz: I build filesystems you can write to
[08:42:17] <koen> read-only is a waste of time
[08:42:41] <koen> ynezz: yes, IO is a killer, that's why I also have native build machines
[08:42:57] <koen> ynezz: but my linux build machines are a core2quad and dualcore i7
[08:43:03] <koen> the vm a quad i7
[08:43:28] <av500> koen: I doubt he meant ROM in the ROM Sense
[08:43:31] <koen> so for cpubound stuff I tend touse the VM
[08:43:31] <av500> more in the XDA sense :)
[08:43:47] <koen> I see
[08:44:03] <koen> I don't ransom angstrom binaries for donations
[08:46:02] <ynezz> koen: AngstROM ?
[08:46:06] <ynezz> :)
[08:46:46] <ynezz> KoenogenMod...
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[08:53:43] <mrpackethead> cheese
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[09:07:19] <RobinTang> my beaglebone isrunning with angstrom, how can I start telnet server?
[09:08:53] <aholler> sshd runs by default
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[09:13:53] <RobinTang> success, thanks.
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[09:35:50] <mrpackethead> telnet.. geeper hav'nt really used that for a long time
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[09:35:58] <mrpackethead> but in the bad old days....
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[09:40:43] <av500> I used it yesterday :)
[09:40:49] <av500> on this DSP evm :)
[09:49:42] <mrpackethead> yeah, i guess there still a place to use it
[09:50:13] <mrpackethead> still handy for checking mail servers
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[13:13:26] <av500> bored..
[13:13:31] <mru> +1
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[13:18:22] <koen> heh
[13:18:30] <koen> I searched for 'micro SD' on bol.com
[13:18:41] <koen> it returns a filter where you can filter on manufacturer
[13:18:48] <koen> 'archos' is one of them
[13:18:53] <koen> they sell micro SD cards
[13:18:57] <koen> with a tabled attached :)
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[13:25:39] <janne> tablets got so cheap that you get them now as gift for buying SD cards?
[13:25:44] <janne> :)
[13:25:48] <Jacmet> heh
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[13:40:39] <XorA> is purple squared a purple so purply it would make Prince cry?
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[13:42:11] <jackmitchell> XorA: purple squared: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110707190514/deadliestjokes/images/2/2c/Barney.jpg
[13:42:40] <XorA> I always just want to punch that!
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[14:23:34] <jackmitchell> can I power the beagle with a 5v bench power supply on the P9 expansion header VDD_5V?
[14:24:42] <koen> jackmitchell: or sys_5v, I always forget which one is directly connected to the DC barrel jack
[14:27:37] <jackmitchell> koen: SYS_5V goes into the TPS65217B and VDD_5V goes into NCP349, so it should be SYS_5V, right?
[14:28:03] <koen> I think so
[14:28:16] <koen> easy enough to check
[14:28:22] <koen> power over usb and measure the pins
[14:28:34] <koen> the pins that show 0V are the ones you want
[14:28:42] <jackmitchell> ah, ok, so the USB power doesn't come out over those pins
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[14:30:52] <jackmitchell> koen: VDD_5V
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[14:44:01] <koen> so you were right to start with :)
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[14:48:31] <alan_o> P L A G U E
[14:49:25] <KotH> THE P L A G U E
[14:49:39] <alan_o> I stand corrected
[14:49:43] <KotH> and also "the alan"
[14:49:50] <alan_o> hehe
[14:50:06] <panto> hi prpplague
[14:50:34] <prpplague> panto: greetings
[14:50:51] <mru> trolls!
[14:51:08] <panto> you say it like it's a bad thing
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[14:54:32] <thurbad> does anyone know of a reason that malloc would return a value such as 0x01?
[14:54:56] <thurbad> clearly that's a bad pointer
[14:54:58] <mru> bugs
[14:55:07] <alan_o> ticket closed?
[14:55:17] <thurbad> lol, thanks
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[14:55:34] <alan_o> thurbad: you've probably messed up malloc's data structures
[14:55:43] <alan_o> by overwriting something at a previous time
[14:55:45] <mru> or dynamic linking is fucked
[14:56:02] <alan_o> once malloc/free show symptoms, the damage is long done.
[14:56:15] <panto> thurbad, valgrind...
[14:56:19] <mru> +1
[14:56:24] <alan_o> yeah, that
[14:56:37] <cmicali_> +1 valgrind
[14:56:37] <woglinde> valgrind fucked up malloc?
[14:56:41] <woglinde> *g*
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[15:00:02] <thurbad> could mixing new and malloc cause that?
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[15:02:54] <KotH> new is just a fancy wrapper around malloc
[15:03:12] <mru> not necessarily
[15:03:24] <mru> stuff allocated with new has to be freed with delete
[15:03:35] <av500> thurbad: did you do "malloc = new"?
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[15:03:53] <KotH> mru: i didnt say it doesnt do anything additional
[15:04:07] <mru> it doesn't have to call malloc
[15:04:14] <KotH> hmm.. right
[15:04:16] <mru> it could use a completely separate allocator
[15:04:23] <mru> most compilers just call malloc
[15:04:30] <mru> but that should never be relied on
[15:04:44] <KotH> but then it should work well together with malloc...
[15:04:59] <KotH> if not, the compiler is broken... but that would be expected from c++ anyways
[15:05:00] <mru> sometimes mixing works, yes
[15:05:16] <mru> but you still shouldn't do it
[15:05:28] <mru> of course you shouldn't use c++ in the first place
[15:05:58] <av500> delete(c++);
[15:07:10] <alan_o> there's always the delete vs delete[] issue too. My understanding is that calling the former instead of the latter (when the latter is required) will simply leak a few bytes (ie: not screw up the allocation structures)
[15:07:26] <alan_o> most likely, an array was overwritten.
[15:07:35] <mru> sounds very implementation-specific
[15:08:05] <alan_o> yes, I'm talking about gcc, which I assume thurbad to be using.
[15:08:21] <alan_o> and I could be wrong. I read that a long time ago and don't remember where.
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[15:09:45] <KotH> actually, a delete when delete[] is needed, should fail...
[15:09:51] <pbilotti> eg
[15:09:53] <KotH> but i doubt all c++ compilers do that
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[15:10:42] <XorA> WTF is delete[]? and surely that breaks the whole principle :-(
[15:10:58] <panto> XorA, welcome to C++, where no-one knows the whole language
[15:11:07] <thurbad> delete[] is an array of objects
[15:11:38] <panto> you better use the correct form...
[15:11:41] <XorA> C++ always was the language for people who refused to program properly in C, seems they are still at it
[15:12:04] <KotH> just seen in a channel next door: Bar Foo::bar = [](){ return 42;}(); (no, this is not perl)
[15:13:04] <XorA> so because C++ still allows C style arrays which is dumb in itself they need a spacial delete operator to handle it?
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[15:13:27] <KotH> XorA: nope
[15:13:38] <KotH> XorA: delete[] is the antagonist to new[]
[15:13:53] <KotH> XorA: i guess strubstrub wanted to make it symetric
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[15:14:06] <XorA> stroustup is an idiot!
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[15:14:38] <mru> obligatory: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all
[15:14:50] <thurbad> I don't see an issue with the [] notation to denote it's an array of objects?
[15:14:53] <av500> strstr()?
[15:15:17] <KotH> av500: that's c! the c++ equivalent would be stringstring()
[15:15:37] <av500> stroustru()
[15:15:53] * KotH votes for strubstrub()
[15:15:54] <XorA> C! comes one char after C# :-D
[15:16:03] <av500> +1
[15:16:20] <KotH> .o0(C#++)
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[15:16:40] <KotH> av500: what's your prob?
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[15:21:45] <av500> KotH: not sure
[15:21:51] <av500> adding code that does nothing does strange things
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[15:22:22] <av500> in one case it inlines a function, in the other now
[15:22:23] <av500> not
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[15:26:27] <KotH> sounds strange
[15:26:32] <KotH> what compiler? gcc? iar?
[15:26:53] <av500> gcc
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[15:27:52] <ynezz> hm, I've just read about that gcc rewrite with c++
[15:28:37] <ynezz> I just don't get it
[15:28:45] <mru> fanboiz
[15:30:26] <ynezz> seems liek I need to dig into it deeper, mainly to see their arguments about "c++ makes the interfaces and their boundaries more clear"
[15:31:44] <mdp> I heard that the c++ rewrite will be incrementally better
[15:33:11] <panto> gcc is on it's way out
[15:33:21] <panto> unfortunately llvm is written in C++ too
[15:34:00] <mru> llvm is remarkably clean for a c++ project
[15:34:03] <mru> and for a compiler
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[15:36:35] <ynezz> mdp: but the same could be applied to the C rewrite
[15:36:50] <mdp> you didn't see what I did there
[15:37:05] <ynezz> nope
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[15:40:12] <mru> hmm, int40_t
[15:44:16] <av500> nice
[15:44:27] <av500> when you need that extra byte
[15:45:22] <av500> does the cpu ask for 5 byte alignment too?
[15:45:29] <mru> heh
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[15:50:03] <mru> "ERROR! at line 2724: [E0300] Symbol $C$PCB11 has already been defined"
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[15:50:55] <mdp> av500, I would not be surprised if this synopsys pcie ip wanted 5 byte alignment
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[15:51:19] <mdp> it's trying to dethrone musb
[15:51:42] <mru> you could build a 40-bit wide memory
[15:51:46] <Jacmet_> mdp: ;)
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[15:52:07] <av500> mdp: there is always 9 bits to the byte
[15:53:16] <mdp> that will work
[15:53:19] <mru> what do the french call such bytes?
[15:54:17] <mdp> check with ministry of culture
[15:55:01] <jackmitchell> I'm a bit confused with i2c on the bone and DT, when I boot my bone with the 3.8 kernel I have /dev/i2c-0 and /dev/i2c-1
[15:55:18] <jackmitchell> however in the devicetree i2c0 and i2c2 are enabled
[15:55:43] <Jacmet> jackmitchell: presumably i2c2 is /dev/i2c-1
[15:55:54] <jackmitchell> so does the i2c driver count how many i2c busses are enabled, rather than match up against the DT
[15:55:57] <koen> jackmitchell: sequential numbering if you don't have DT aliases
[15:56:06] <Jacmet> jackmitchell: the N in i2c-N is just an incrementing index
[15:56:22] <jackmitchell> ok, makes sense! (in a devicetree way...)
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[16:11:08] <aholler> omg, all those c-fanatics here with their silly bugs are talking about c++.
[16:11:36] <woglinde> clash of the day
[16:11:47] <panto> jackmitchell, there might be a way to fix the order
[16:12:22] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/24
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[16:13:13] <jackmitchell> panto: it's ok, I just wanted to be clear; I'm only doing some initial i2c investigations so maybe sometime in the future
[16:13:36] <panto> aholler, them are fighting words
[16:14:09] <jackmitchell> it is a pain, that on the expansion header both i2c-1 and i2c-2 are pinmuxed over the spi signals, so you can't use all the spi + clocks and i2c, unless you implemented gpio chip selects I suppose
[16:14:34] <jackmitchell> s/clocks/chip selects
[16:15:33] <XorA> SPI->I2C io expander :-D
[16:16:44] <jackmitchell> SPI->I2C->I2C-Slaves+SPI? :P :D
[16:17:19] * Jacmet once did i2c-over-spi
[16:17:56] <Jacmet> not that I'm proud of it.
[16:17:56] <mru> it's bitbanging all the way down
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[16:24:40] <KotH> ...to hell
[16:25:43] <av500> we once had a debug UART on SPI
[16:25:50] <av500> with some Maxim SPI to UART chip
[16:25:51] <KotH> whoever split the PxSEL registers in the MSP430 needs some severe beating
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[16:30:29] <panto> av500, those were pretty cool
[16:30:46] <panto> pretty useful for debugging when you couldn't spare a real uart
[16:31:04] <av500> that thing had 2 uarts, both were blocked by alternate functions
[16:31:10] <av500> luckily one of them was SPI :)
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[16:31:35] <panto> yeah, most of the times you need the other functions instead of uart :)
[16:32:07] <av500> I have the debug card here somewhere, I'll hook it to the bone
[16:34:33] <woglinde> haha
[16:34:39] <KotH> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2920#comic
[16:36:55] <mdp> jackmitchell: old example https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/631941/
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[16:39:44] <jackmitchell> mdp: ah simpler than I thought; will bear that in mind, thanks
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[16:41:36] <mdp> jackmitchell: the driver is already bitbanging the dedicated CS line anyway, so it's a pretty straightforward replacement when run in single mode
[16:41:52] <mdp> the hookup stuff for dt property etc will be different now.
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[16:42:08] <mdp> there's a number of other drivers that already do gpio cses so check for that
[16:42:11] <mdp> for examples
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[16:59:48] <mranostay> Vadtec: finx your connection
[16:59:56] <mranostay> *fix even
[17:00:12] <mru> jinx?
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[17:07:08] <av500> KotH: volatile does wonders to msp430 gcc code :)
[17:07:53] <mru> is it bad to inhale volatile variables?
[17:08:20] <mranostay> they cause cancer in california
[17:08:29] <av500> they make my code work
[17:08:37] <mru> california causes cancer
[17:08:47] <av500> +1
[17:10:04] <mru> hmm, this compiler has been busy on h264.c for over an hour now...
[17:10:43] <cmicali> Does anyone know what the "L3 memory" all the PRU docs/examples reference is? I know there is PRU data memory, DDR, but what's L3?
[17:10:44] <mru> anyone got a solution for the halting problem?
[17:10:46] <mranostay> it is dead jim
[17:10:59] <mdp> you are using the TI compiler?
[17:11:07] <mranostay> cmicali: L3 cache on the processor
[17:11:11] <mru> mdp: trying to
[17:11:18] <mru> mranostay: no such thing here
[17:11:24] <mranostay> mru: no?
[17:11:30] <mru> L3 here refers to memory connected to the L3 interconnect
[17:11:34] <KotH> av500: *g*
[17:11:36] <mru> either onchip sram or ddr
[17:11:39] <prpplague> mranostay: got a suggestion on the board name from the critters - Beagle-Treats Board
[17:11:53] * mranostay pukes
[17:12:01] <cmicali> mru: So L3 memory = PRU data memory?
[17:12:03] <mranostay> we are not calling it take :)
[17:12:06] <mru> cmicali: no
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[17:13:29] <mru> mdp: didn't you say the ti compiler would do better than gcc?
[17:13:48] <KotH> mru: better at wasting your time ;)
[17:13:57] <mdp> +1
[17:14:39] <mru> cg6x is what's actually running
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[17:14:55] <cmicali> mru: on the beagle bone, what's connected to the L3 on the PRU? looking at the block-diagram in the ref guide it doesn't seem to specify what's connected there (i think the DDR is connected via L4, no?)
[17:15:09] <mru> ddr is on L3
[17:15:33] <mru> as is the internal sram
[17:15:55] <mru> the L3 is the main interconnect of the chip
[17:16:18] <mranostay> mru: much bigger hit to get to the PRU SRAM than DDR right? :)
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[17:16:42] <mru> the PRU has internal instruction and data sram
[17:17:45] <cmicali> mru: thanks - have not read/seen internal sram before, just seeing a lot of references in sample code and pru docs to "l3 memory" and not groking what that meant
[17:18:02] <mranostay> mru: yeah but the internal sram hits the l3 interconnect
[17:18:03] <mru> I assume it means any memory connected to L3
[17:18:08] <mru> i.e. not the PRU-internal memories
[17:18:18] <cmicali> That
[17:18:22] <cmicali> that's what i thought at first
[17:18:32] <mranostay> according to the vague block diagram
[17:18:32] <mru> mranostay: the pru-internal sram does not involve l3 when accessed from the pru
[17:18:34] <mru> that's the point
[17:18:46] <cmicali> then i saw a few comments like this: This will make C30 point to 0x80000000 (L3 memory) and C31 point to 0xC0000000 (DDR memory).
[17:18:56] <mru> there's another onchip sram that's connected to l3
[17:19:03] <mranostay> mru: but pru internal data sram isn't one one clock cycle right?
[17:19:11] <mru> should be
[17:19:14] <mru> from the pru
[17:19:17] <mru> not from the arm
[17:19:26] <mru> the arm accesses the pru memories over l3
[17:19:30] <mru> when the pru is in reset
[17:19:42] <cmicali> mranostay: i'm not sure it is - one of the docs says even internal pru memory may not be single cycle so stick to the shared registers if you need that
[17:19:59] <mru> maybe it's not single-cycle
[17:20:04] <mru> but it's predictable
[17:20:10] <cmicali> i think it's not if the other PRU is accessing it
[17:20:21] <mru> L3 accesses will block unpredictably
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[17:20:37] <mranostay> cmicali: ok that sounds right
[17:20:50] <aholler> av500: gcc has become very good with optimizing unecessary stuff away. and without volatile (or explicit barriers) many reads/writes to registers the compiler would assume as unecessary just get optimized away
[17:20:53] <mranostay> and there is only one shared SRAM
[17:21:09] <mru> aholler: volatile is _always_ the wrong answer
[17:21:11] <mranostay> of course i think you address the other's SRAM if you are insane :)
[17:21:13] <cmicali> mru: what would you suggest the fastest way to get data off the PRU, DMA? I'm hoping to get about 1mb/s if i can.
[17:21:17] <aholler> mru: no
[17:21:40] <mru> cmicali: all depends on what you're doing
[17:22:02] <mru> if you're streaming data through you should probably set up some ping-pong buffers and use dma
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[17:22:28] <cmicali> mru: streaming data from an external A/D
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[17:32:34] <mranostay> mru: ping pong is a fun game
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[18:13:46] <woglinde> ping pong the new bitbang?
[18:13:56] <woglinde> gm mrpackethead
[18:14:10] <mrpackethead> .
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[18:57:08] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/iYPuRg
[18:57:08] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 a5c4357 Koen Kooi: 3.8: capebus improvements by mranostay...
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[19:00:00] <mru> barmaid just crushed a glass with her bare hands
[19:00:35] <mru> or was it bear hands...
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[19:03:23] <mranostay> sounds like a classy girl
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[19:04:00] <mranostay> why are you ircing from a bar?
[19:04:22] <woglinde> because there is nothing to do
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[19:11:33] <mru> mranostay: because there are no barmaids in my house
[19:13:48] <mranostay> well you need to change that
[19:14:22] <mru> hmm
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[19:16:44] <woglinde> hm yes made your house a bar
[19:16:49] <woglinde> so you have barmaids
[19:19:37] <mru> the pub also has better beer
[19:20:28] * ogra_ wonders what mranostay finds classy about russian athlets
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[19:21:21] <ogra_> .oO(... wimen that crush glass with a hand like a bear ... )
[19:22:07] <mru> she does not look russian...
[19:22:14] <mru> nor sound it
[19:22:47] <ogra_> well, thats the immediate pic i had in my head seeing the above conversation :)
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[19:26:03] <mranostay> bah have had worse dates :P
[19:26:13] <ogra_> lol
[19:28:14] <mru> that implies you had dates, so could be worse
[19:28:52] <mranostay> mru: that is really really low :)
[19:29:17] <ogra_> quality trolling ...
[19:30:04] <KotH> any OSA members here?
[19:30:24] <mrpackethead> Otago Students Association
[19:30:28] <mrpackethead> not any olonger.
[19:30:31] <KotH> lol
[19:30:36] <KotH> optical society of america
[19:30:43] <KotH> they deny me access to one of their papers
[19:30:53] <mrpackethead> thats because they don't like you
[19:31:07] <mrpackethead> everyone else can get it
[19:31:20] <mrpackethead> its a conspiracy
[19:31:38] <ogra_> you need to buy their glasses first
[19:31:51] <mranostay> +1
[19:32:01] <ogra_> (dont go near the bar where mru is though)
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[19:32:22] <mranostay> iirc KotH doesn't really drink
[19:32:52] <mru> ogra_: sure it's not about bar optics?
[19:33:12] <mru> would explain why KotH can't access
[19:33:13] <ogra_> hot chocolate with a russian athlete ?
[19:33:20] <ogra_> ah
[19:33:23] <ogra_> indeed
[19:33:29] <KotH> ogra_: what's wrong with mru's bar?
[19:33:45] <ogra_> there is a bear maid crushing glasses
[19:33:46] <mru> I said she's not russian
[19:34:00] <mru> kinda hot though
[19:34:00] <ogra_> you said she doesnt look or sound like ...
[19:34:19] <KotH> ogra_: and what's wrong with that?
[19:34:19] <mru> true
[19:34:33] <ogra_> dunno, but if you need the glasses ...
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[19:34:37] <mru> I could find out...
[19:34:45] <ogra_> doit !
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[19:35:45] <mranostay> mru: kinda hot? that is always a cop out :)
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[19:43:40] <woglinde> here is one for av500
[19:43:41] <woglinde> http://www.nvidia.com/object/seco-dev-kit.html
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[19:45:22] <aholler> he's gone nvidia?
[19:46:19] <aholler> that board looks horrible with that large fan
[19:46:49] <woglinde> aholler sure the gpu needs it
[19:46:57] <Russ> is that an omap5 under that fan?
[19:47:12] <woglinde> russ no the desktop cuda gpu
[19:48:01] <woglinde> hm 530 euros
[19:48:07] <aholler> deskop? it's an arm
[19:48:10] <mru> steep
[19:48:36] <woglinde> aholler yes arm with desktop gpu
[19:49:13] <ogra_> aholler, the evm he posted yesterday also has a fan
[19:49:15] <woglinde> woul be cool to run android and the emulate the egl stuff and than penetrating the benchmarks
[19:50:10] <aholler> ogra_: haven't seen that, but I find any "embedded" board with fan just horrible ;)
[19:50:20] <ogra_> ++
[19:50:39] <aholler> if I would want a fan, I would guy intel
[19:50:41] <ogra_> though that nvidia thing is likely more for server and desktop like woglinde said
[19:50:43] <woglinde> hm who says that it is an embedded bord?
[19:50:54] <woglinde> arm goes server and desktop
[19:51:06] <ogra_> yup
[19:51:33] <aholler> but tegra3 doesn't match what a real server needs
[19:51:49] <ogra_> it matches with what i.e. hadoop needs
[19:52:10] <woglinde> hm what they want me to say with "for professional use only"
[19:52:15] <ogra_> low power ... many cores and high power on demand through using the GPU
[19:52:50] <aholler> you would want more than 2mb ram for hadoop I assume
[19:52:55] <aholler> gb
[19:52:55] <ogra_> woglinde, you shouldnt build a steambox for home use with it ;)
[19:53:26] <aholler> that box might be good for password cracking though
[19:53:31] <ogra_> calxeda doesnt have much more per node
[19:53:42] <aholler> not sure what else uses cuda ;)
[19:53:56] <ogra_> graphics and number crunching
[19:54:10] <woglinde> ogra hm if valve would compile their software for arm too
[19:54:16] <mru> bitcoin mining
[19:54:22] <ogra_> stock exchange stuff ...
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[19:54:29] <woglinde> ogra na
[19:54:37] <woglinde> you need 10 gbit ethernet for it
[19:54:40] <ogra_> woglinde, heh, yeah ... still trying to convince them :)
[19:54:50] <aholler> for stock exchange I would assume an armv7 is too slow
[19:55:00] <woglinde> aholler?
[19:55:03] <ogra_> thats what you have the CUDA for
[19:55:08] <woglinde> its all about net latentcy
[19:55:17] <mrpackethead> i have started alt.bitmine
[19:55:24] <ogra_> but yeah, 10G is needed or a fabric
[19:55:36] <aholler> cuda doesn't make i/o faster
[19:55:42] <woglinde> "working in a bitmine"
[19:55:56] <mranostay> mru: have you started stealing electricity too?
[19:56:09] <mrpackethead> currently 1ABM$ is worth $US25.00
[19:56:17] <mranostay> er mrpackethead
[19:56:22] <mrpackethead> but i'll sell you some for $5.00
[19:56:27] <mrpackethead> limited time option
[19:56:56] <mrpackethead> *but wait* theres more
[19:58:05] <ogra_> hmmm ... every time someone says $5 today i have too think of EA ... silly G+
[19:58:59] <KotH> EA?
[19:59:17] <ogra_> https://plus.google.com/109314067903163618421/posts/39kHNAzRxVx
[19:59:20] <mru> games
[19:59:22] <ogra_> electronic arts
[19:59:55] <KotH> ah..
[20:00:04] <KotH> another thing i never have gotten into
[20:00:09] <KotH> unless you count debug.exe as a game
[20:00:14] <mranostay> hey i worked for a EA :P
[20:00:25] <aholler> what is dlc?
[20:00:34] <mdp> downloadable content
[20:00:42] <aholler> omg
[20:00:44] <ogra_> games :)
[20:00:50] <mdp> gamers
[20:01:08] <mdp> trolling doesn't have DLC
[20:01:12] <mdp> or does it?
[20:01:24] <mru> trolling has elc
[20:01:31] <mdp> heh
[20:01:33] <mranostay> one letter better even
[20:01:49] <mdp> incrementally better ... like c++
[20:02:31] <mdp> made in mexico
[20:02:38] <ogra_> heh
[20:02:46] <Russ> I went to EA once
[20:02:49] <Russ> twas a silly place
[20:02:57] * mdp boggles at a pci express card made in mexico
[20:02:57] <woglinde> free2play
[20:02:58] <mdp> unpossible
[20:03:05] <Russ> mdp, lets see!
[20:03:11] <mru> Russ: like camelot?
[20:03:13] <mdp> Russ, I don't recall you being at Embedded Alley.
[20:03:24] <Russ> ea games
[20:03:29] <panto> heh
[20:03:38] <woglinde> panto awakes
[20:03:39] <panto> ea'ers of the world unite!
[20:03:46] <Russ> I went for one day
[20:03:49] <woglinde> panto?
[20:03:51] <aholler> I allways think those modern game copmanies are full of slaves working 80h/week
[20:03:58] <Russ> yes, they are
[20:04:02] <mdp> Russ, oh, you mean the uninteresting EA, gotcha ;)
[20:04:05] <Russ> especially EA
[20:04:10] <woglinde> panto the ceo resigned because the sells werent good
[20:04:17] <Russ> 80h might be considered a luxury by many
[20:04:41] <panto> gee, people don't like been nickeled and dimed huh?
[20:04:43] <Russ> aholler, enjoy http://ea-spouse.livejournal.com/
[20:05:18] <mdp> Russ, pics or it didn't happen?
[20:05:55] <Russ> mdp, yes, show us this south of the border pci wonder
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[20:09:37] <mdp> done
[20:10:18] <mdp> I suppose it's old enough that they hadn't yet moved manufacturing
[20:10:53] <Russ> awww...how disappointing, no true wtfery
[20:11:24] <mdp> it was a "hrm, that looks unusual nowadays"
[20:12:15] <Russ> hey, my spudger I ordered from the cheapest ebay seller I could find was made a mere 3 miles from here
[20:13:07] <mdp> crazy
[20:13:15] <mdp> and I'm out
[20:13:16] <mdp> bbl
[20:13:18] <Russ> cya
[20:14:32] <KotH> mdp: not yet moved?
[20:14:44] <KotH> mdp: did usian companies use mexico as cheap labor camp?
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[20:31:32] <aholler> hmm, those new save/load options in menuconfig are disturbing ;)
[20:31:44] <panto> g'night
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[21:20:36] <kkeller> ouCH!
[21:20:55] <kkeller> how goes it mranostay - any good trolling I missed ?
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[21:30:11] <cmicali> mranostay: I was reading your PRU-based nixie example.. a) thank you for doing it, it is helping me :) and b) know anything about accessing DDR directly from the PRU?
[21:32:50] <mranostay> no but there is an example in the PRU assembler iirc
[21:33:28] <cmicali> i found one in the older pru_sw examples (for pruv1, not the one on beaglebone)
[21:33:46] <cmicali> bit confusing though - they just mmap all 256mb of ddr and start changing bytes in the example
[21:33:55] <cmicali> which does not seem like it would be the right way to do it
[21:34:08] <mranostay> heh not really the sane way to do it
[21:34:14] <mru> mmap?
[21:34:19] <mru> the pru does not have an mmu
[21:34:33] <cmicali> mru: sorry on the C side, it mmaps /dev/mem
[21:34:55] <mru> that's a bit evil
[21:34:59] <cmicali> yeah
[21:34:59] <mranostay> just a bit
[21:35:02] <cmicali> it felt quite evil to me
[21:35:35] <mru> but nobody ever achieved success by being nice
[21:35:42] <cmicali> what i'd like is to malloc in C and then have the PRU write to that, but unclear how i can get the physical address of that memory to give to the PRU
[21:35:47] <cmicali> hah
[21:35:49] <mru> evil is a necessary, hm, evil
[21:38:54] <mranostay> cmicali: i really don't think you can do that in userspace :)
[21:39:02] <mranostay> could be wrong
[21:39:16] <mru> you can mmap /dev/mem and walk the page tables :)
[21:39:34] <cmicali> hah
[21:39:40] <cmicali> yeah i did not think that was possible from userspace
[21:39:41] <mranostay> anyone that does that needs to be dragged out back and shot :)
[21:39:55] <mranostay> repeatly and then stabbed
[21:39:58] <mru> mranostay: too kind
[21:40:29] <mru> they should be tarred, feathered, stabbed, shot, hung, drawn, and quartered
[21:40:50] <cmicali> i guess i could make a kernel driver that does this, not sure how painful it would be to get the the pru load/uio code to work there
[21:41:13] <mru> it should be possible to use dmabuf
[21:43:29] <cmicali> not familiar with dmabuf but will search
[21:43:55] <mru> it's a kernel thing for sharing buffers between devices
[21:44:29] <cmicali> sounds like it might be good after a couple googles
[21:44:53] <cmicali> looks like some things use it to provide userspace access to the buffer, which would be exactly what i want
[21:45:25] <mru> that's kind of the point
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[21:46:56] <cmicali> will investigate this, thansk
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