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  • [01:41:35] <mranostay> mru: how you do use your coasters exactly? :)
  • [01:42:49] <mru> to bludgeon intruders of course
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  • [03:47:33] <joel_> mru: I'm afraid you'll have to get something with VGA. Just spoke to the AV guys at the hotel. I might have misunderstood them first time
  • [03:47:43] <joel_> either that or get it on a thumb drive
  • [03:48:01] <joel_> here's their reply: http://hastebin.com/raw/nawunayoco
  • [03:48:12] <joel_> koen- ^^^
  • [03:48:34] <joel_> good luck. :-)
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  • [05:27:45] <mrpackethead> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/823405_10151444339792661_1770786049_o.jpg <-- electroplate cape mk 2
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  • [05:47:33] <Shadyman> pretty
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  • [06:42:59] <mranostay> i'm back
  • [06:51:29] <dm8tbr> ohnoez
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  • [06:53:08] <mranostay> dm8tbr: you suck for skipping on ELC
  • [06:53:24] <mranostay> i have troll alan_o twice as hard
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  • [06:59:46] <dm8tbr> mranostay: tell that to my non-existing travel-budget :/
  • [07:01:31] <mranostay> guess it is a little easier for me even if i have to pay my way :/
  • [07:03:10] <dm8tbr> I'd expect by about 33dB
  • [07:03:31] <mranostay> dm8tbr: er 33db?
  • [07:03:56] <mranostay> i had to go to ELCE on my own dime
  • [07:04:11] <mranostay> i tacked some vacation onto it of course
  • [07:05:02] <dm8tbr> my budget disappeared on short notice. By then flight tickets had gone from about 1kUSD to 3k
  • [07:05:17] <mranostay> ouch
  • [07:05:29] <mranostay> dm8tbr: Sweden?
  • [07:05:38] <dm8tbr> finland
  • [07:05:46] <mranostay> same thing
  • [07:05:48] * mranostay ducks
  • [07:06:02] <dm8tbr> mranostay: you live in canada, right?
  • [07:09:58] <mranostay> hahaha
  • [07:10:11] <mranostay> USA
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  • [07:13:54] <mranostay> dm8tbr: bay area
  • [07:15:47] <dm8tbr> St. George's Bay?
  • [07:17:21] <mranostay> SF Bay.. :)
  • [07:21:09] <mranostay> dm8tbr: do i seem canadian? :P
  • [07:21:38] <dm8tbr> mranostay: yeah, with your french sounding name and all that
  • [07:22:09] <mranostay> hehe not French :)
  • [07:22:18] <mranostay> Slovak
  • [07:25:44] <mranostay> and more German even
  • [07:32:13] <_av500_> ohai
  • [07:33:32] <mranostay> _av500_: hey german dude
  • [07:35:15] * mranostay looks at CA LLC registration costs
  • [07:36:39] <dm8tbr> registering a canadian company? ha! I knew it!
  • [07:37:00] <mranostay> the state....
  • [07:37:08] <dm8tbr> of mind?
  • [07:37:27] <mranostay> i'm not canadian and i have the firearms to prove it :P
  • [07:37:55] <dm8tbr> unless they happen to be ICBMs - I'm out of range...
  • [07:38:06] * _av500_ walks up to mranostay and stabs him quietly in the back
  • [07:38:28] * mranostay punchs in the combo to his handgun safe and shoots _av500_
  • [07:38:49] <_av500_> you are dead already
  • [07:39:13] <dm8tbr> it's dead jim!
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  • [07:39:29] <_av500_> also, I put superglue in the lock
  • [07:39:43] <mranostay> doesn't work that way
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  • [07:40:09] <mranostay> http://www.target.com/p/gunvault-multivault-standard-gun-safe/-/A-11654936?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=Google_PLA_df&LNM=%7C11654936&CPNG=Home+Office&kpid=11654936&LID=PA&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=11654936
  • [07:40:17] <mranostay> too lazy for tinyurl
  • [07:40:55] <_av500_> you these buttons cant be glued?
  • [07:40:59] <dm8tbr> isn't that the one that opens when you drop it?
  • [07:41:00] <_av500_> you mean*
  • [07:41:13] <_av500_> dm8tbr: on your oponents foot?
  • [07:41:20] <_av500_> +spellink
  • [07:41:24] <mranostay> dm8tbr: the door drops on the right combo
  • [07:41:34] <_av500_> ah, on your own foot
  • [07:41:44] <mranostay> spring loaded
  • [07:42:02] <_av500_> does it eject the gun into your open hand?
  • [07:42:17] <mranostay> _av500_: have another handgun i can access with a real key so try that :P
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  • [07:43:03] <_av500_> mranostay: also, I checked you out online and found out your are posting pics from a conf when I brake into your house....
  • [07:43:12] <_av500_> break*
  • [07:43:35] <mranostay> you know the city i live in that is about it :P
  • [07:43:59] <_av500_> I hope you never made a compaign donation
  • [07:44:27] <mranostay> heh under $200 limit and not in this state even
  • [07:44:36] <_av500_> penny pincher!
  • [07:44:55] <mranostay> voter records would be your best bet
  • [07:45:13] <_av500_> mranostay: in fact I was surprised how easy it was to find people in the US
  • [07:45:28] <mranostay> _av500_: just believed in anyone over $50 :P
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  • [07:45:39] <mranostay> *never
  • [07:45:46] <_av500_> no wonder the good guy lost
  • [07:46:16] <mranostay> all the guys have something that pissed me off :)
  • [07:46:34] <_av500_> there is always canada...
  • [07:47:04] <mranostay> i'm not either party (we have only two....)
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  • [07:47:55] <mranostay> and neither want to tax the rich really
  • [07:48:24] <mranostay> personally progressive tax should go to 100% at some point :)
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  • [10:08:30] <jacekowski> nope
  • [10:08:41] <jacekowski> tax should be ~20% for everyone
  • [10:08:50] <jacekowski> regardless of the income
  • [10:08:57] <jacekowski> that's the only fair way to do it
  • [10:09:23] <jacekowski> and even then i'm not sure if it shouldn't be the exactly same amount for everyone
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  • [12:40:58] <dm8tbr> moaning
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  • [12:51:29] <jkridner> gm all
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  • [13:11:11] <mvt007geek> hi
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  • [13:11:32] <mvt007geek> is it possible to put yaffs system file into beagleboard?
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  • [13:13:20] <_zxdx> hi
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  • [13:14:13] <_zxdx> i had done this on bb rev C3
  • [13:14:23] <_zxdx> but why not ubifs?
  • [13:20:57] <mvt007geek> BB REV C3?
  • [13:22:28] <mvt007geek> _zxdx: at this time i need a hardware for yaffs. first i decided to that in pandaboard.but after research i underestood iit's not possible
  • [13:22:39] <mvt007geek> now i decided to do that on beagleboard
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  • [13:28:32] <_zxdx> yaffs works on gumstix hardware too (overo fire which i have), on ridgerun leopard board (they have patch to PSP kernel), you just need board with nand. BB C3 - beagleboard revesion C3 i mean.
  • [13:31:00] <_zxdx> i have only `old` bb
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  • [13:37:17] <mvt007geek> so i can use beagle board version3 to put yaffs into??
  • [13:37:20] <mvt007geek> :D
  • [13:37:22] <mvt007geek> ?
  • [13:39:57] <_zxdx> in my case i swith to hardware from gumstix, if it's not expensive you can too)
  • [13:40:27] <mvt007geek> right now i have a beagle board
  • [13:40:37] <_zxdx> which rev.
  • [13:41:08] <mvt007geek> i'm in university.tomorrow they will bring it for me
  • [13:41:25] <mvt007geek> i don't know the rev
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  • [13:41:32] <mvt007geek> :-(
  • [13:41:41] <mvt007geek> but i wish it be rev3
  • [13:41:55] <mvt007geek> and how should i put yaffs into it?
  • [13:42:20] <mvt007geek> i mean how change the filesystem into yaffs? do i need an image?
  • [13:43:35] <_zxdx> xM as i know product without nand
  • [13:44:34] <_zxdx> you need to configurate kernel to support it, then create root partiotion on device, then you can use it for boot
  • [13:45:24] <_zxdx> the easyest way to boot from network then format filesystem on nand, etc.
  • [13:45:51] <mvt007geek> oh it seems a little complicated
  • [13:46:14] <_zxdx> rev3 is old, probaly it will be rev4, same with some little changes
  • [13:46:19] <_zxdx> xDD
  • [13:46:42] <mvt007geek> can i do it with rev4?
  • [13:47:29] <_zxdx> as far as i know, yes
  • [13:47:38] <mvt007geek> coooooool haha
  • [13:47:40] <mvt007geek> :D
  • [13:51:01] <_zxdx> why you need yaffs2? xD
  • [13:51:08] <_zxdx> ubifs is better
  • [13:52:52] <mvt007geek> it's a research project.
  • [13:52:59] <mvt007geek> i should finish it
  • [13:53:07] <_zxdx> oh yeah
  • [13:53:17] <mvt007geek> :)
  • [13:53:19] <_zxdx> master degree student?
  • [13:53:37] <_zxdx> MS or how to spell it right
  • [13:53:47] <_zxdx> master of science!
  • [13:54:09] <mvt007geek> not yet.it's 3 month that i have finished university.i'm a bachelor
  • [13:54:23] <mvt007geek> in software engineering
  • [13:54:42] <mvt007geek> :)
  • [13:54:59] <mvt007geek> what about you? are you student?
  • [13:55:39] <_zxdx> yeah, year ago i had ms degree, at the moment ph.d student)
  • [13:55:45] <_zxdx> but in belarus
  • [13:56:33] <mvt007geek> cool...i hope i can get apply for master
  • [13:56:34] <_zxdx> sry for my english originally i am russian
  • [13:57:05] <mvt007geek> but your english is good
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  • [14:21:46] <koen-> good morning all
  • [14:26:47] <dm8tbr> still in Texico or already bay-area?
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  • [14:39:11] <joel_> do pass the message along that for ELC- you've to get something that speaks VGA, or store it on a thumb drive and have organizers display it
  • [14:39:38] <joel_> bbl
  • [14:41:51] <XorA> so old skewl :)
  • [14:44:35] * joel_ agrees
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  • [14:48:10] <dm8tbr> someone should just bring this and a couple of adapters: http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-Adapter/dp/tech-data/B007SM7O2U/ref=de_a_smtd
  • [14:49:41] <mru> joel_: thanks for the info
  • [14:49:57] <mru> guess I should try out the vga output just to be sure
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  • [14:59:38] <mru> dm8tbr: "almost 100% compatibility"
  • [14:59:46] <dm8tbr> :)
  • [15:00:17] <dm8tbr> e.g. I wonder if all laptops really supply 5V 500mA
  • [15:00:30] <mru> on hdmi? that's not required by spec
  • [15:00:56] <dm8tbr> so I'd hope that it comes with a barell connector for a 5V PSU :)
  • [15:01:11] * dm8tbr has a pile of those in all sizes...
  • [15:01:26] <dm8tbr> the last of these adapters that I looked at had such a connector
  • [15:03:41] <mru> in fact, supplying more than 500mA is disallowed
  • [15:04:01] <mru> "An HDMI Source shall have +5V Power signal over-current protection of no more than 0.5A."
  • [15:04:16] <dm8tbr> sure, because the wires will very often be rated only for 500mA
  • [15:04:18] <mru> "All HDMI Sources shall be able to supply a minimum of 55 mA to the +5V Power pin."
  • [15:04:35] <mru> "A Sink shall not draw more than 50 mA of current from the +5V Power pin."
  • [15:04:48] <dm8tbr> that's not much
  • [15:05:03] <mru> it's only there to power ddc
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  • [15:05:13] <dm8tbr> didn't they recently upgrade that for the MHP sticks?
  • [15:05:16] <mru> so a source can query an attached display that's powered off
  • [15:05:29] <mru> I'm quoting hdmi 1.3a
  • [15:05:37] <mru> 1.4 is not freely available
  • [15:05:41] <dm8tbr> oh...
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  • [15:07:08] <mru> 1.4 mainly adds new signals
  • [15:07:20] <mru> ethernet, reverse audio, etc
  • [15:07:30] <mru> also 3d and 4k support
  • [15:07:44] <mru> which is really nothing more than increasing the pixel clock
  • [15:08:52] <woglinde> thunerbolt
  • [15:08:58] <mru> is not hdmi
  • [15:09:05] <woglinde> *g*
  • [15:09:28] <mru> thunderbolt is more like pcie
  • [15:10:16] <mru> the hdmi 1.4 faq says devices are backwards compatible with 1.3
  • [15:10:34] <mru> that sort of implies they can't draw more power
  • [15:11:15] <jacekowski> displayport FTW
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  • [15:11:32] <mru> I don't see dp going anywhere
  • [15:11:37] <jacekowski> i thought 1.3 had reverse audio
  • [15:11:45] <jacekowski> mru: why
  • [15:11:51] <jacekowski> DP has HDMI compatibility mode
  • [15:11:57] <mru> not really
  • [15:12:01] <jacekowski> and other than that it's a lot more flexible than HDMI
  • [15:12:14] <mru> the dp spec allows the connector to carry hdmi signals
  • [15:12:20] <mru> but it's optional
  • [15:12:30] <mru> yes, the protocol has advantages over hdmi
  • [15:12:43] <mru> but not enough to replace it
  • [15:12:52] <mru> hdmi is already everywhere
  • [15:12:58] <jacekowski> it will take some time
  • [15:13:05] <dm8tbr> to die out, yes
  • [15:13:15] <jacekowski> my new laptop has no HDMI
  • [15:13:18] <jacekowski> but there is dp IN IT
  • [15:13:22] <jacekowski> DP in it
  • [15:13:22] <mru> it'll be on the fringes for a long time
  • [15:13:39] <mru> my laptop from last year has hdmi but no dp
  • [15:13:41] <dm8tbr> Dell replaced DP with HDMI recently
  • [15:13:46] <jacekowski> dell sucks
  • [15:13:56] <dm8tbr> that's beside the point
  • [15:14:07] <mru> apple isn't doing dp
  • [15:14:16] <jacekowski> apple sucks
  • [15:14:21] <mru> that's beside the point
  • [15:14:23] <jacekowski> and they never do anything standard
  • [15:14:31] <mru> they do hdmi
  • [15:15:09] <mru> it's not a question of technical merit
  • [15:15:22] <mru> dp is clearly a nicer spec in various ways
  • [15:15:34] <mru> but hdmi is ubiquitous and works well enough
  • [15:15:38] <mru> there's no need to replace it
  • [15:16:07] <jacekowski> i really hope that one day 10GBit ethernet will replace HDMI and other shitty protocols
  • [15:16:24] <mru> that's ridiculous
  • [15:16:33] <mru> hdmi is not a bad protocol
  • [15:21:31] * koen- looks at his laptop
  • [15:21:36] <koen-> 2x dp, 1x hdmi
  • [15:23:34] <mru> what monster of a laptop is that?
  • [15:24:13] <koen-> 13" macbook pro
  • [15:24:37] <mru> hmm, I thought apple were pushing thunderbolt
  • [15:24:50] <koen-> yes, but dp dongles still work
  • [15:25:34] <mru> nevertheless, I'd be surprised to see a dp-only source or display
  • [15:25:45] <koen-> right
  • [15:25:53] <koen-> I don't know of any
  • [15:26:02] <koen-> only ones that are a few years old already
  • [15:26:10] <mru> hell, most things still have vga
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  • [15:27:07] <mru> personally, I'd rather have a real rs232 than vga...
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  • [15:40:40] <joel_> yes DP is not an HDMI replacement
  • [15:40:47] <dm8tbr> mhhh, a 1080p projector with VT100 and VT220 emulation...
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  • [16:20:42] <_av500_> my x201 has VGA :)
  • [16:20:45] <_av500_> and DP on the ultrabase
  • [16:21:20] <dm8tbr> newer stinkpads seem to have HDMI
  • [16:21:55] <_av500_> and the DP on the base seems to do DVI-D too
  • [16:22:43] * dm8tbr has a pile of passive dp???dvi-d adapters
  • [16:22:55] <_av500_> hmm, not only that in korea only old people use email, they also kill themselves
  • [16:23:06] <dm8tbr> hmm interesting 2 of my adapters have DVI-I
  • [16:23:34] <dm8tbr> _av500_: sozialvertraegliches Fruehableben?
  • [16:23:40] <_av500_> yes
  • [16:23:52] <_av500_> they do not have a working pension system
  • [16:24:05] <_av500_> relying on the young to care for the elderly
  • [16:24:21] <dm8tbr> what could possibly go wrong...
  • [16:24:23] <_av500_> as a return for the parents giving everything to the young
  • [16:24:35] <_av500_> but in a modern society thta breaks down
  • [16:24:40] <_av500_> kids live far away
  • [16:24:43] <_av500_> have stressful jobs
  • [16:24:46] <_av500_> no time
  • [16:24:46] <_av500_> etc..
  • [16:26:45] * dm8tbr meanwhile waits for the yoctopus on his build-box to pull in all the sources and build something for his FRI2
  • [16:27:20] * dm8tbr was thinking to use them with the http://info-beamer.org stuff
  • [16:27:47] <_av500_> g+ resharing is broken, if somebody reshares a public post as limited, I cannot share that as public, even thouht the intermediate sharer is not even shown...
  • [16:27:57] <ka6sox> why am I not able to find out the specs for micro-hdmi and audio...
  • [16:28:07] <_av500_> hdmi is closed specs
  • [16:28:07] <dm8tbr> _av500_: they seemed to have disabled that a while ago
  • [16:28:24] <_av500_> dm8tbr: yes, so I have to click the original post and share that
  • [16:28:29] <_av500_> same result in the edn
  • [16:28:36] <dm8tbr> yeah... bit braindead
  • [16:31:39] <ka6sox> simple question: can I get 7.1 audio out of that cable?
  • [16:32:10] <koen-> isn't it pure data?
  • [16:32:17] <koen-> and just a smaller formfactor?
  • [16:32:43] <_av500_> ka6sox: yes
  • [16:32:58] <_av500_> hdmi supports up to 8 channel PCM
  • [16:33:01] <_av500_> afaik
  • [16:33:15] <ka6sox> _av500_, thanks
  • [16:33:22] <_av500_> and yes, micro hdmi is just smaller
  • [16:33:30] <_av500_> same pins etc..
  • [16:33:31] <ka6sox> I dont' really care about video...just audio.
  • [16:33:36] <ka6sox> perfect..
  • [16:34:03] <_av500_> ka6sox: of course it depends on whether the hdmi TX is hooked up to audio
  • [16:34:14] <koen-> hmmm
  • [16:34:19] <koen-> still to 3.8-final
  • [16:34:43] <ka6sox> koen- have we reached release yet? (finally)?
  • [16:34:58] <koen-> s/to/no/
  • [16:35:05] <_av500_> linux RTM?
  • [16:35:39] <ka6sox> ah...maybe they are thinking this one will be a LTS (as much as any can be)
  • [16:36:13] <_av500_> if linux was finished I could start writing apps for it
  • [16:36:36] <joel_> :)
  • [16:37:21] <koen-> people at TI keep saying that linux will be done with 3.8
  • [16:37:41] <koen-> so we can all go home an retire after that
  • [16:38:00] <_av500_> as in "doing in" somebody?
  • [16:38:46] <koen-> as in complete
  • [16:38:50] <koen-> no more work to do
  • [16:39:05] <ka6sox> ha!
  • [16:39:06] <koen-> all am335x is upstream and working, no?
  • [16:39:19] <dm8tbr> and there are no more OMAP products
  • [16:39:22] <dm8tbr> so they are done :D
  • [16:40:23] * _av500_ has this now: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/White-N7100-MTK6577-dual-core-1-0GHz-Android-4-1-Jelly-bean-Grey-dual-sim-5/719338820.html
  • [16:40:52] <_av500_> wow, it has gravity response
  • [16:41:02] <_av500_> and yes, it does respond to gravity
  • [16:42:23] * dm8tbr would be impressed if it wouldn't
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  • [16:43:36] <joel_> Interesting, folks are booting multiple kernels on multiple cores (AMP) from U-boot
  • [16:43:58] <joel_> u-boot/board/freescale/p1_p2_rdb/README
  • [16:44:47] <joel_> another good use case for my FIT uImage presentation (where one could embed 2 kernels, their corresponding dts etc all in the same uImage)
  • [16:45:24] <_av500_> wasnt the goal single kernel?
  • [16:45:32] <_av500_> and not fat binaries?
  • [16:46:44] <joel_> _av500_: well, that is possible too. It depends on the usecase. sometimes you've too many little components and you'd not want to place each one individually in memory. so why not have it all wrapped in a nice Tree-like image
  • [16:47:38] <_av500_> ?
  • [16:47:59] <_av500_> why should I have a kernel that is not for my device?
  • [16:48:00] <joel_> _av500_: components can be numerous. ramdisk, dtb, crypto signatures, kernels
  • [16:49:23] <joel_> _av500_: you can have a single kernel, but for above AMP configuration. typically- for examples like the above you'd not
  • [16:49:39] <joel_> also- consider applications where you'd want a "debug" vs "production" kernel for performance reasons etc.
  • [16:50:27] <_av500_> http://www.imobiltelefone.com/billig-handys-kaufen-star-n7100 160???
  • [16:50:48] <_av500_> joel_: ic
  • [16:51:29] <dm8tbr> _av500_: ah, it's an MTK
  • [16:51:37] <joel_> _av500_: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/images/stories/slides/elc2013_fernandes.pdf?a
  • [16:51:53] <_av500_> dm8tbr: yes
  • [16:52:04] <_av500_> MTK is the QC of the east it seems
  • [16:52:23] <_av500_> dm8tbr: its 5.5" but only 960x540, so displaywise its a fail
  • [16:52:34] <_av500_> apart from that it looks decent
  • [16:52:43] <dm8tbr> others do fullhd at that size
  • [16:52:47] <_av500_> of course its to bog to be used with one hand
  • [16:52:49] <_av500_> big*
  • [16:52:58] <_av500_> dm8tbr: yes, not at that price :)
  • [16:53:08] <_av500_> It's a nice Rentnerphone
  • [16:53:15] <dm8tbr> :)
  • [16:53:25] <dm8tbr> yeah, the low dpi should actually help there
  • [16:53:31] <_av500_> yep
  • [16:53:38] <_av500_> also, dual sim
  • [16:53:53] <_av500_> for price savy rentners
  • [16:54:22] <dm8tbr> yeah, e.g. the travelling kind
  • [16:54:47] <_av500_> hmm, uboot is full of board files
  • [16:54:55] <_av500_> why not DT?
  • [16:54:59] <dm8tbr> would DT help therE?
  • [16:55:09] <_av500_> indeed
  • [16:55:14] <_av500_> uboot is fucked
  • [16:55:16] <_av500_> (tm)
  • [16:55:34] <_av500_> can we have Linus manage it for 1year?
  • [16:55:35] <dm8tbr> _av500_: no, it just needs lennart to go in and clean up and replace it...
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  • [16:56:08] <ka6sox> DT...All things t
  • [16:56:21] <ka6sox> DT..All things to All people.
  • [16:56:24] * dm8tbr ponders if it's possible to do distributed builds when using OE
  • [16:56:43] <ka6sox> you mean like icecream builds?
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  • [16:57:15] * dm8tbr would have a stack of machines he could power up if it would speed up builds
  • [16:58:18] <_av500_> joel_: why does a uimage contain a load addr?
  • [16:59:02] <_av500_> isnt the kernel independent on that?
  • [16:59:49] <ka6sox> dm8tbr, for cross-compiling its kind of a nightmare.
  • [17:00:11] <dm8tbr> ka6sox: yeah, dist-cc is straight out with that one...
  • [17:00:50] <dm8tbr> but bitbake is able to split out several threads and tasks etc. In case of shared storage it should be possible to run some of those on different machines?
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  • [17:01:54] <ka6sox> dm8tbr, originally I thought that too...but decided in the end to go the other way...
  • [17:02:00] <dm8tbr> ofc, one could just go and buy a massively powered machine with a crapton of RAM...
  • [17:02:17] <dm8tbr> building on a ramdisk seems to be the latest trend
  • [17:02:19] <ka6sox> dm8tbr, thats what we do
  • [17:02:39] <ka6sox> we have 5 builders that have 256GB of RAM.
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  • [17:03:12] * dm8tbr was thinking of the hobbyist people.
  • [17:03:20] <_av500_> dm8tbr: they can use narcissus
  • [17:03:45] <dm8tbr> is there one for yocto too? :)
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  • [17:04:12] <_av500_> maybe intel has no fast machines....
  • [17:04:14] <dm8tbr> it's surprisingly easy to get your hands on 'decent' machines 2-4 cores, 8G RAM...
  • [17:04:59] <dm8tbr> having a couple of these is a zero-cost (excluding electricity) as opposed to quite some money for a high-end workstation
  • [17:06:27] <dm8tbr> surprisingly easy as in: e.g. dumpster-diving
  • [17:07:46] <ka6sox> dm8tbr electricity cost for a 8-core/32GB machine I had was not worth it when I could put 24cores/256GB online for 2/3 the power used
  • [17:08:35] <dm8tbr> sure
  • [17:08:54] <_av500_> dm8tbr: get some S3 instances
  • [17:09:08] <ka6sox> and in our case where we are doing regressions (continually) we need to not burn up HDs
  • [17:10:11] <joel_> _av500_: yes it is PIC, I don't know why its required except that we do it. :). It can turned off by configuring for an XIP image type
  • [17:11:58] <dm8tbr> _av500_: I'm not sure if it's economic to do that. Could work in case of shared storage. build, shutdown, bring up smaller machine for maintenance and transferring out results.
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  • [17:13:29] <_av500_> joel_: why XIP?
  • [17:13:46] <_av500_> joel_: the kernel entry code should be PIC anyway
  • [17:13:57] <_av500_> so it could be up to uboot to know where to load a kernel
  • [17:14:38] <_av500_> for a multi-soc kernel it cannot be in the uimage
  • [17:14:46] <_av500_> not all ram statrs at 0x80000000
  • [17:15:36] <joel_> _av500_: yes, its just another parameter. U-boot avoids any copying around with XIP (which is what I thought your original question was on how to get rid off load addr)
  • [17:18:08] <joel_> _av500_: though, uImage itself is loaded into RAM. so if its PIC, XIP should work. I don't get your point yet
  • [17:18:15] <mru> pics or it didn't happen
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  • [17:19:28] <joel_> ok, I see what you're saying, k.
  • [17:20:42] <joel_> _av500_: I haven't tried without passing a load address but I think U-boot does default to copying it wherever it wants if one doesn't pass it.
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  • [17:37:58] <jkridner> joel_, koen, panto: what is the way to remove a cape .dtbo?
  • [17:38:16] <jkridner> my last hurdle to loading was to notice that it had truncated the file name.
  • [17:38:27] <mru> tried hammer and chisel?
  • [17:38:42] <jkridner> don't seem to have either of those handy.
  • [17:38:58] <mru> and you call yourself a man?
  • [17:41:37] <jkridner> it would be handy if I could pass in .dts rather than .dtbo
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  • [18:01:48] <koen-> _av500_: latest mainline doesn't put in a load address for multi-SoC builds, which of course breaks boot on all of them
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  • [18:10:23] <beng-nl> lo
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  • [18:14:25] <mranostay> morning
  • [18:15:33] <mru> troll!
  • [18:15:47] <koen-> lunch!
  • [18:16:07] <koen-> jkridner: I just realized that freebirds is across the street
  • [18:16:28] <koen-> after I walk out of Jimmy John's with my lunch
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  • [18:44:52] <mranostay> Freebirds?
  • [18:45:02] <mru> fast food chain
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  • [19:18:34] <_av500_> do they have horse meat?
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  • [19:22:50] <mranostay> _av500_: this is america
  • [19:23:00] <ynezz> so what?
  • [19:23:50] <mranostay> finding a place that serves horse meat in the US would be easy :)
  • [19:25:17] <mranostay> </sarcasm>
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  • [19:25:40] <ynezz> I don't understand all that hystery anyway
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  • [19:26:00] <ynezz> you wan't cheap stuff, you get it
  • [19:26:10] <ynezz> they just forgot to update the labels
  • [19:26:14] <ogra_> for germans a wrong label is a desaster
  • [19:26:16] <ynezz> updating labels is always expensive
  • [19:26:29] <mranostay> probably since we don't raise horses for slaughter here
  • [19:26:33] <_av500_> ynezz: I dont get the hysteria either
  • [19:26:43] <mru> you're not british
  • [19:26:44] <mranostay> they are expensive hobbies
  • [19:26:53] <mranostay> mru: thank god :)
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  • [19:27:14] <ynezz> they don't raise them for meat
  • [19:27:28] <mru> mranostay: what would people in the us say if dog meat were found in food?
  • [19:27:38] <ynezz> "yummy"
  • [19:28:17] <mranostay> mru: stop going to that chinese buffet?
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  • [19:33:12] <woglinde> dont forgot it was frozen readymade foot like lasagne
  • [19:33:30] <woglinde> nobody sane would buy such
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  • [19:33:39] <ynezz> why not?
  • [19:33:56] <ynezz> what's wrong with that meat?
  • [19:33:57] <woglinde> because its not tasting?
  • [19:34:02] <woglinde> nothing
  • [19:34:03] <ynezz> it is
  • [19:34:12] <ynezz> it is good meat actually
  • [19:34:19] <woglinde> ynezz you misunderstood
  • [19:34:24] <woglinde> horse meat is yummy
  • [19:34:30] <woglinde> I like burger with it
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  • [19:34:35] <mru> why buy frozen ready meals when you have a proper cooked one at the pub for the same money?
  • [19:34:47] <woglinde> mru exactly
  • [19:35:00] <mru> including beer
  • [19:35:08] <ynezz> I would never buy that grounded/mill meat anyway
  • [19:35:20] <ynezz> you never know what's mixed inside :)
  • [19:35:31] <woglinde> so its in meal nobody really buys
  • [19:35:41] <woglinde> so its really hysterie
  • [19:35:49] <mru> evidently someone does buy it
  • [19:35:55] <mru> they found it in hospital food too
  • [19:36:00] <mru> no surprise there
  • [19:36:04] <woglinde> sure
  • [19:36:15] <woglinde> we had strawberry from china
  • [19:36:17] <ynezz> oh, there's meat in hospital?
  • [19:36:31] <mru> no idea, never been there
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  • [19:39:08] <_av500_> woglinde: strawberries from china are most likely fake
  • [19:40:06] <woglinde> av500 sure but they were contamined
  • [19:40:33] <_av500_> with traces of strawberry?
  • [19:40:49] <mru> yes, nobody knows where that came from
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  • [19:41:16] <woglinde> the strawberries were more awfull than the horsemeat now
  • [19:41:30] <woglinde> or the broken mill stuff in the pizz
  • [19:41:31] <woglinde> a
  • [19:42:26] <ds2> there is a simple answer to all this labeling issue.
  • [19:42:35] <ds2> change the label to say "Protein"
  • [19:44:58] <_av500_> and list the level of antibiotics
  • [19:45:12] <mranostay> mru: never been to the hospital?
  • [19:45:47] <mru> well, I was born in one
  • [19:47:15] <mru> but I've never been ill or seriously injured
  • [19:51:07] <mranostay> mru: never had stitches?
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  • [20:04:40] <mranostay> i thought trolls were spawned
  • [20:07:35] <mru> mranostay: well, you'd be the one to know
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  • [21:14:16] <joel_> _av500_: xip is also known as "noload"
  • [21:14:20] <joel_> recently a patch was posted:
  • [21:14:22] <joel_> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2012-February/086848.html
  • [21:14:38] <joel_> U-boot already implements IH_TYPE_KERNEL_NOLOAD
  • [21:15:17] <_av500_> joel_: I did not mean XIP
  • [21:16:48] <_av500_> uboot can still load the kernel to SDRAM
  • [21:17:30] <koen-> _av500_: xip means somethign different in uboot speak
  • [21:17:35] <_av500_> ah
  • [21:18:00] <koen-> "don't unpack uImage and move it to run address"
  • [21:18:34] <koen-> on bone we hack $load_addr to be the final destination minus uImage header length
  • [21:19:01] <koen-> and suddenly uboot says it's XIP
  • [21:24:58] <_av500_> http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2010-January/066742.html
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  • [22:41:43] <mru> it's always interesting to see which of a bunch of photos get a +1
  • [22:50:19] <_av500_> mru: also interesting to see which photos g+ decides to single out from an album
  • [22:50:27] <_av500_> sometimes months after it has been posted
  • [22:53:12] <mranostay> +1
  • [22:54:32] <mru> that's just some ranking algorithm acting strangely
  • [22:54:58] <mranostay> _av500_: i always find that creepy .. are people stalking old posts? :)
  • [22:55:17] <mru> probably
  • [22:57:54] <mru> also note how shooting into the sun with a real camera gives very little lens flare
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  • [22:58:20] <mru> compare to the fake flares they add to films these days
  • [22:58:59] <mranostay> mru: please go look into the sun
  • [22:59:24] <mru> I'm talking about the photo I posted a while ago
  • [23:00:56] <mru> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_iCFdSXzK8Y/USEwyzKNuyI/AAAAAAAADaU/LTXAII_o5Dg/s0/
  • [23:01:37] <mru> and that was with the cheap optics
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  • [23:08:49] <prpplague> mdp: ping
  • [23:09:04] <mru> whoa, where did the plague come from?
  • [23:09:20] <ka6sox> mmmm lense flair
  • [23:09:26] <ka6sox> s/flair/flare/
  • [23:09:59] <mru> yes, cheap optics
  • [23:10:19] <ka6sox> are those fairies?
  • [23:10:31] <ka6sox> s/fairies/ferries/
  • [23:10:45] <mru> probably cargo ships
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  • [23:11:11] <ka6sox> kk
  • [23:11:11] <prpplague> mru: spooky isn't it
  • [23:11:11] <woglinde> gn
  • [23:11:18] <ka6sox> ya
  • [23:11:21] <ka6sox> nn woglinde
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  • [23:16:02] <prpplague> mranostay: what email address do you want to use on your presentation biz cards?
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  • [23:16:29] <mru> presentation cards?
  • [23:16:35] * mru thought mranostay did only creeper cards
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  • [23:17:19] <prpplague> mru: just doing some printed cards for the presentation with the project url and such
  • [23:17:29] <prpplague> mru: you need some as well?
  • [23:17:43] <mru> no
  • [23:22:04] <mru> ka6sox: btw, full set of pics from today if you're interested: https://plus.google.com/photos/101083367758063442977/albums/5846006845091374977
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  • [23:53:47] <mranostay> prpplague: mranostay at gmail dot com
  • [23:54:42] <mranostay> mru: so what is a good entry level camera?
  • [23:55:07] <mru> what do you require of it?
  • [23:55:20] <mranostay> pictures that don't suck
  • [23:55:44] <mru> for that you need more than just a camera
  • [23:56:47] <mranostay> prpplague: beers in oakland? are you guys insane? :)
  • [23:56:58] <mru> as in some combination of skill and luck
  • [23:57:10] <mru> oakland was alison's idea
  • [23:57:24] <thurbad> heh
  • [23:57:33] <mranostay> hmm i'll pass on getting shot
  • [23:57:54] <mru> you could cast a vote for some other place
  • [23:57:56] <mranostay> blocks from the tenderloin is enough risk for the week
  • [23:58:29] <mranostay> ever been to Tornado?
  • [23:58:39] <mru> yes
  • [23:59:04] <mru> good beer