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[00:07:50] <Toneloc> can a beagleboard run all raspberry pi images?
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[00:08:06] <Toneloc> I assume not because of its use of a GPU
[00:10:29] <mranostay> oh boy
[00:11:36] <prpplague> oh mru !!!
[00:12:00] <mdp> here we go!
[00:12:30] * prpplague looks to see what gadgets to order for prizes at elc
[00:15:15] <prpplague> mdp: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/xmega-xprotolab-p-1336.html?cPath=174
[00:15:23] <Russ> prpplague, bam! http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16160
[00:15:52] <prpplague> Russ: brilliant!
[00:16:03] <mdp> prpplague: yeah, I think saw coverage of that from makerfaire NYC .. cool
[00:16:33] <prpplague> or maybe http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/logic-shrimp-v1-logic-analyzer-p-803.html?cPath=174
[00:17:06] <mdp> or the granddaddy!
[00:17:34] <prpplague> mdp: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/digital-storage-oscilloscope-with-panels-p-514.html?cPath=174
[00:17:36] <Russ> prpplague, yes, give those out
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[00:17:46] <mdp> prpplague: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/open-workbench-logic-sniffer-p-612.html?cPath=174
[00:17:52] <Russ> (the first one, the DIP one)
[00:18:00] <mdp> definitely the DIP one
[00:18:21] * prpplague makes notes
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[00:18:40] <mdp> and also some pandaboard resistors!
[00:18:43] <Russ> a beaglebone bread board cape with breadboarding wires might also be nice
[00:18:46] <mdp> authentic!
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[00:19:19] <mdp> +1 Russ's idea
[00:19:28] <Russ> cheap sigrok hardware would also be a good thing
[00:20:00] <prpplague> Russ: i already have two
[00:20:13] <mdp> so, on that front, any of those devices will work
[00:20:28] <mdp> sigrok handles logic shrimp, bus pirate, or obls
[00:20:37] <mdp> out of that crowd
[00:20:38] <Russ> is that v3 ready yet?
[00:20:53] <Russ> er, sorry v4
[00:21:13] <biot> it's in permanent suspended animation
[00:21:20] <mdp> :)
[00:21:23] <biot> i.e. nobody's worked on it for years
[00:21:30] <mdp> stasis chamber has failed!
[00:22:03] <prpplague> Russ: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/wiichuck-a-wiinunchuck-break-out-board-p-586.html?cPath=175_177
[00:22:24] <biot> in any case, it's not that open -- requires that microchip compiler
[00:25:16] <prpplague> i wonder if i can do spock with the enterprise crew do a harlem shake video using gimp
[00:26:43] <prpplague> mdp: oh oh oh, how about some omap1510 give aways?
[00:27:03] <prpplague> or maybe a bag of omap4430 chips
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[00:29:28] <prpplague> hmm the "just ignore them and they will go away" advice seems to work
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[00:31:43] <prpplague> Russ: ok i have an assorted bag of resistors and caps for the give away
[00:32:29] <Russ> prpplague, after seeing the tiny scope, I looked up what I had when I was a kid
[00:32:30] <Russ> https://apraxiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/jqkpoz.jpg
[00:32:45] <Russ> in today's dollars, the sale price of that when new is $70
[00:32:54] <prpplague> oh i love that
[00:32:57] <prpplague> i had several
[00:33:06] * prpplague kept wearing out the springs
[00:33:43] <prpplague> Russ: that thing still available?
[00:33:50] <prpplague> i bought mine via radioshite
[00:33:53] <Russ> not unless you count ebay and what not
[00:34:18] <Russ> who the hell wants that when you can get a scope for $50
[00:38:50] <prpplague> hehe
[00:39:17] <prpplague> i still wonder if the dip scope is as useful to sw developers as the fully assembled one
[00:41:19] <Russ> dunno, really it'd be the sigrok stuff that'd be most useful to software developers I'd think
[00:41:40] <prpplague> true
[00:41:53] <prpplague> probably order a couple of the dip oscopes and a couple OLS
[00:41:54] <Russ> if you have an automated test procedure that runs the pwm or something, it fits in
[00:42:09] <Russ> if you are trying to debug a bus problem communication problem, it fits in
[00:42:36] <prpplague> Russ: understood
[00:42:59] <prpplague> hmm - http://www.businessinsider.com/test-driving-the-do-it-yourself-electroshock-therapy-kit-2010-11
[00:43:24] <prpplague> that is more of a prize for the android builders summit
[00:43:32] <Russ> whole lot of nope on that prize
[00:44:05] <Russ> too bad there isn't time to get silkscreened lacie keys
[00:44:22] <prpplague> hehe
[00:44:40] <prpplague> Russ: we can put that on the todo list for ELCE
[00:44:43] <Russ> I saw one of my friends had one that his dorm gave out for free
[00:48:32] <Russ> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/478/709/276/276709478_991.jpg
[00:49:57] <biot> what are those, just flash storage?
[00:51:49] <Russ> lacie key, they are a nice solid metal usb key for keychains
[00:52:02] <Russ> all the other ones I've had eventually break off the keychain
[00:52:36] <Russ> prpplague, laser cut acrylic or printed 3d cases might also be a cheap giveaway item if you have someone who can do it
[00:54:37] <Russ> holy crap, I just found out my dad had a heathkit
[00:56:59] <prpplague> hehe
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[00:57:37] <Russ> when he was 12, that's a very long time ago
[00:58:16] <Russ> 60's
[01:00:09] * prpplague places order for items
[01:01:09] * Russ keeps checking to see if advanced circuits has finished with CAM for me
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[01:03:49] <ds2> CAM?
[01:05:08] <Russ> gerber review
[01:05:26] <ds2> what are you doing?
[01:05:34] <ds2> or you mean their freedfm stuff?
[01:06:09] <prpplague> mranostay: psst
[01:06:11] <prpplague> mranostay: hey
[01:06:32] <prpplague> mranostay: you software installation and upgrade skills are no longer a worth skill - http://career-services.monster.com/yahooarticle/4-job-skills-that-no-longer-impress-recruiters#WT.mc_n=yta_fpt_article_4_job_skills_that_no_longer_impress_recruiters
[01:06:51] <Russ> no, their freedfm stuff doesn't let you choose design rules, so it only works for standard orders
[01:08:23] <prpplague> Russ: new boards?
[01:08:32] <Russ> 4 week turn
[01:08:36] <prpplague> ahh
[01:08:48] <prpplague> Russ: you tried diptrace yet?
[01:08:52] <Russ> nope
[01:10:58] <Russ> stuck in my geda ways
[01:11:54] <prpplague> Russ: hehe
[01:12:16] <prpplague> Russ: i have been trying for ages to switch to kicad instead of orcad+pads
[01:12:36] <prpplague> Russ: but i can get things done so quickly with orcad+pads it is a hard thing to switch
[01:14:14] <Russ> did some process testing http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/sets/72157632681874683/
[01:14:20] <Russ> turns out I need to work on voiding
[01:14:44] <prpplague> *cough*
[01:15:00] <Russ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/8463910558/in/set-72157632681874683
[01:15:08] * prpplague only has a problem with voiding after too much curry
[01:15:42] <prpplague> Russ: what did you use for the image capture?
[01:16:04] <Russ> azonenberg did the really good captures, I did the crummy ones
[01:17:14] <Russ> http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-07-21T17:00:00-04:00&max-results=7
[01:17:27] <Russ> er, that doesn't work
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[01:17:37] <Russ> http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2012/07/lab-tour-part-1-metrology-bench.html
[01:17:38] <Russ> there we go
[01:22:43] <prpplague> nice
[01:25:22] <prpplague> Russ: what are you using to do the bga package?
[01:25:47] <Russ> onfi NAND flash, ddr2, and an fpga
[01:26:01] <Russ> er, that isn't quite what you are asking
[01:26:40] <Russ> I use a stencil and paste to prep the board, a vacuum system to place, and a pid controlled toaster to reflow
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[01:28:42] <prpplague> Russ: ahh
[01:32:10] <mranostay> prpplague: shucks need to drop that off the resume then
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[01:44:29] <ka6sox> prpplague, I have a new Job for you...
[01:44:36] <ka6sox> Career Counsellor
[01:44:42] <prpplague> hehe
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[01:48:06] <ds2> wouldn't recruiter be more accurate? ;)
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[01:54:25] <j_fresh> hello, i'm having some trouble with opkg on my new BeagleBone. could someone help me?
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[02:03:33] <koen-> alan_o: https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/hLfuGQfhV6w
[02:03:55] <alan_o> woot
[02:04:02] <koen-> alan_o: did you figure out the DT magic for it yet?
[02:04:06] <alan_o> yeah
[02:04:10] <alan_o> let me send
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[02:08:30] <alan_o> koen-: http://dpaste.org/JfcBf/
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[02:09:36] <alan_o> argh
[02:09:39] <alan_o> dpaste wrapped it
[02:09:48] <koen-> hastebin.com :)
[02:10:08] <alan_o> ah crap, I deleted it right when I saw the "wordwrap" checkbox
[02:10:09] <alan_o> stand by
[02:10:49] <alan_o> http://dpaste.org/N6yke/
[02:10:58] <alan_o> just uncheck the "wordwrap" checkbox at the top
[02:11:37] <alan_o> or use hastebin: http://hastebin.com/xapunotiqu.xml :)
[02:12:18] <koen-> thanks!
[02:12:20] <alan_o> see the comment in pinctl for how to wire it. That's the wiring for the cape design we sent you.
[02:12:27] <alan_o> oh
[02:13:05] <alan_o> also had to put in bone-common the thing to load it (since I don't have an eeprom in my dev unit)
[02:13:27] <koen-> you can use kernel cmdline and/or echo something > sysfs to load it
[02:13:47] <alan_o> yeah, but I thought I had to put something in the bone dts too
[02:14:00] <alan_o> I gues I forgot. I have a script I use to load it
[02:14:43] <alan_o> echo BB-BONE-MRF24J40 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr.7/slots
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[02:16:17] <alan_o> oh and by the way.....
[02:16:24] <alan_o> I found a bug in my driver
[02:16:33] <alan_o> it was loading the long ieee address backwards
[02:16:53] <alan_o> but I had promisc on (from testing something else), so I didn't notice it. Will send patch
[02:17:07] <alan_o> (embarrassing)
[02:18:36] <alan_o> Also, beware of the metal on your perf board touching the vias/testpoints on the mrf24j40 module.
[02:18:53] <alan_o> There's a note in the module datasheet about a "keep out" zone
[02:18:58] <koen-> hmm
[02:19:04] <koen-> good thing I have 5 :)
[02:19:08] <alan_o> hehe
[02:19:15] <alan_o> I've only destroyed one so far
[02:19:20] * alan_o crosses fingers
[02:25:39] <ds2> hmmmm 30 'oops' wires and counting
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[02:42:52] <ka6sox> koen-, you still around?
[02:44:59] <ka6sox> I remember when Motorola had MRF numbers *sniff*
[02:46:00] <prpplague> mranostay: psst
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[02:46:18] <prpplague> mranostay: wasted 20 minutes hacking around
[02:46:30] * ka6sox feels another cluebat application coming...
[02:46:34] <prpplague> mranostay: http://youtu.be/w175lRCEQD0 (be sure to check out the middle section)
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[03:04:05] <prpplague> _chase_: hey we have been waiting for you to log into irc
[03:04:16] <prpplague> _chase_: a serious burning question for you
[03:04:46] <_chase_> prpplague: ok
[03:04:49] <prpplague> _chase_: got slides?
[03:04:53] <prpplague> hehehe
[03:05:03] * prpplague jokes with _chase_
[03:05:08] <_chase_> prpplague: yes, but i don't have Kevin's buy-in
[03:05:15] <_chase_> so let's blame him :)
[03:05:30] <prpplague> _chase_: hehe
[03:05:56] <_chase_> but I will get his attention soon. We are almost done with our meetings in India
[03:06:06] <prpplague> _chase_: just joking with you
[03:06:13] <prpplague> _chase_: everyone is behind this time around
[03:06:41] <_chase_> so no Bill Gates?
[03:06:46] <_chase_> I'm disappointed
[03:07:00] <prpplague> hehe we were able to postpone the "gates of hell" opening
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[03:17:41] <mranostay> prpplague: +1
[03:18:39] <prpplague> mranostay: 20 minutes not wasted?
[03:19:56] <mranostay> prpplague: i don't get why this meme is so awesome but it is :)
[03:20:06] <prpplague> hehe
[03:20:58] <prpplague> mranostay: i say the same thing about this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn7-fVtT16k&feature=share&list=PLQ-7WiWmOuK-55mfcd_tdcvy-57VMCkOW
[03:29:10] <mranostay> heh
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[03:33:57] <mranostay> prpplague: i think koen- has the most flamebait talk title :)
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[15:43:19] * Topic is 'Please read http://beagleboard.org/chat for a guide on how to ask questions | don't ask to ask | be patient'
[15:43:19] * Set by jkridner!~jason@pdpc/supporter/active/jkridner on Tue May 15 11:38:35 CDT 2012
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[15:43:31] <jkridner> oh, hi BeagleBot. nothing said here. please move along.
[15:43:57] <mdp> mru, lol, I see! real unicorn. I'm jealous
[15:44:05] <panto> you can do it with assembly, but it's too painful; there's no calling convention like with C
[15:44:17] <mru> why would you want that?
[15:44:34] <mru> and you can impose conventions without using C
[15:44:58] <mdp> you know, once you did that, we could build some JNI and then some new android classes to drive all this
[15:45:21] <mru> but why would you want to do rpc to the pru?
[15:45:22] <mdp> get some hot PRU app action going
[15:45:34] <panto> mru, why re-invent the wheel?
[15:45:51] <panto> the C function call ABI is all you need
[15:46:17] <mru> why tie it up in a synchronous interface?
[15:46:27] <mru> what you want is a command queue
[15:46:34] <panto> mru, cause it's easier to develop for
[15:46:56] <mru> so we're only doing easy things now?
[15:46:58] <panto> if you need a command queue you can build it on top of that
[15:47:08] <mru> wasteful
[15:47:09] <panto> mru, no
[15:47:19] <panto> smart
[15:47:38] <panto> what is the overhead of the command queue?
[15:47:48] <panto> most of the times is in the noise
[15:48:00] <mru> yes, it's very low if done right
[15:48:07] <panto> take one example that you know very well
[15:48:13] <panto> video encoding
[15:48:16] <mru> a blocking rpc call has much higher overhead
[15:48:47] <mru> now blocking calls can be easily implemented on top of async commmand queues
[15:49:20] <panto> mru, yes, but not as transparently
[15:49:51] <mru> but you _want_ the things to run in parallel, no?
[15:50:00] <panto> the whole point is not having to do any argument mangling
[15:50:04] <mru> otherwise you might as well do it all on the arm
[15:50:16] <panto> mru, it's trivial to run things in parallel - spawn more threads
[15:50:54] <mru> overhead
[15:51:02] <panto> in the noise :)
[15:51:35] <panto> maybe I'll get something done by next's ELC
[15:51:50] <panto> a concrete example should be clear
[15:52:27] <mdp> too bad you can't demonstrate your existing implementation on zsp ;)
[15:52:40] <panto> mdp, it's dead jim :)
[15:54:20] <panto> mru, my point is that absolutely the best performance is not the end goal every time
[15:55:33] <thurbad> if you have power to spare
[15:56:02] <mdp> panto, it went *poof* after this http://www.eetasia.com/ART_8800497381_1034362_NP_617a526a.HTM
[15:56:17] <thurbad> but then I'm a lazy c++ coder :P
[15:56:28] <panto> thurbad, with the way the PRU/DSP SDKs work, it is so painful that most people never run anything on them
[15:57:00] <mdp> panto, it's more that PRU devel is discouraged and obscured
[15:57:03] <thurbad> I don't disagree with that
[15:57:23] <panto> coming up with a simple way to use them (even not being absolutely the most performant way), people will use them
[15:57:37] <panto> so they'll have tapped that power that they could use
[15:58:16] <panto> mdp, killed by magnum
[15:58:18] <jackmitchell> panto: mdp: I would use the PRU, however the level of integration it requires for a platform we may or may not use makes the risk to great
[15:58:39] <mdp> jackmitchell: that *is* a risk regardless of the s/w
[15:58:40] <jackmitchell> so a C compiler which could bring the initial effort to a minimum would be welcomed
[15:58:58] <mru> the compiler is the least of the worries for me
[15:58:58] <mdp> jackmitchell: you risk lock-in designing around a TI specific part, no doubt
[15:58:59] <panto> jackmitchell, how about if you could just port your ARM bit twiddling code to PRU
[15:59:00] <jackmitchell> indeed, but at the moment it's not even worth the effort to try
[15:59:14] <panto> with almost no changes (*)
[15:59:25] <jackmitchell> panto: exactly, then it would be worth it
[15:59:28] <panto> * Restrictions may apply, and/or the devil appears
[15:59:54] <mdp> and that's why it exists..some people want it
[16:00:12] <jackmitchell> mdp: the TI lock in isn't a problem as I use mainly generic linux interfaces, however if I spent a few months on the PRU, that would get us locked in
[16:00:25] <mdp> jackmitchell: right
[16:00:34] <panto> jackmitchell, right
[16:00:37] <jackmitchell> if it was just an 'easy' addition that would be weeks of tuning, I would use it
[16:00:44] <panto> but what if that months was just a couple of days?
[16:00:44] <jackmitchell> s/would/wouldn't
[16:00:56] <jackmitchell> panto: I'd be on it by now
[16:01:16] <mdp> of course, the effort depends on the task ;)
[16:01:28] <mdp> you guys are talking in complete undefined terms
[16:01:36] <panto> mdp, for most of the PRU stuff, it's just bit twiddling
[16:01:40] <jackmitchell> the initial time required, and the lock in to the processor is why I essentially pretend it's not there
[16:02:13] <mdp> panto, sure, ask mranostay how long it took him to learn and solve a problem using PRU
[16:02:31] <mdp> "as is"
[16:02:36] <panto> hey, it's the punk - suffering is good for his career :)
[16:02:43] <mdp> it wasn't much time
[16:02:57] <panto> about a week I guess
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[16:03:06] <mdp> the real pain comes in complex management of resources..which C doesn't solve
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[16:03:52] <mdp> quite frankly, the pain of moving from any SoC to another is a type of lock-in ;)
[16:04:07] <mdp> the arm core is nearly insignificant in the system
[16:04:36] <felipebalbi> mdp: +1 on arm being insignificant
[16:04:39] <jackmitchell> mdp: yes, that's why my current requirements is oe-core support and at least near mainline comapability
[16:04:59] <felipebalbi> jackmitchell: hah, then avoid arm :-p
[16:05:07] <mdp> lol
[16:05:11] <jackmitchell> heh, it could be mips for all I care
[16:05:41] <felipebalbi> jackmitchell: that's be cool, indeed. But boy MIPS has some pretty weird stuff on their ISA :-p
[16:05:43] <panto> or ppc :)
[16:05:57] <felipebalbi> never played with power, but I'd love to :-)
[16:06:06] <felipebalbi> panto: have you had experience with power ?
[16:06:10] <felipebalbi> I know mdp has
[16:06:11] <felipebalbi> heh
[16:06:13] <mru> it's just another cpu
[16:06:23] <panto> err, how do you think mdp and I hooked up? :)
[16:06:30] <felipebalbi> mru: MIPS is too, how can I put it, academic
[16:06:32] <mdp> panto, um, huh? ;)
[16:06:33] <panto> both linux ppc kernel devs
[16:06:39] <mru> mips is a fine cpu
[16:06:53] <mru> nothing academic about it
[16:06:56] <jackmitchell> as long as the kernel integration gives me generic spi and gpio implementations (that work ;))then I'm home and dry
[16:06:58] <panto> mips is fine
[16:07:03] <panto> ppc is fine too
[16:07:13] <panto> but don't have the numbers that ARM has
[16:07:23] <felipebalbi> mru: initialize a 32-bit value to a 32-bit register
[16:07:47] <mru> felipebalbi: two instructions
[16:07:49] <mdp> I think a lot of the distaste for arm may arise from the historical pile of crap sw that has sat on it
[16:07:52] <panto> felipebalbi, it's just a purer risc
[16:08:05] <felipebalbi> mru: three, no ? mov, lsl, mov
[16:08:26] <mru> addi + lui
[16:08:36] * panto awards mru +1
[16:08:41] <felipebalbi> mru: indeed... :-)
[16:08:46] <mru> or ori if you prefer
[16:08:47] <felipebalbi> i stand corrected
[16:08:50] * mranostay scrolls up
[16:09:01] <mru> mranostay: you're "the punk" apparently
[16:09:09] <felipebalbi> mdp: +1 for crappy sw on arm
[16:09:14] <mdp> that is his name
[16:09:19] * ka6sox goes back to finding where he can save 4 clock ticks and make his State Machine work :P
[16:09:50] <woglinde> ka6sox which sate machine?
[16:10:23] <ka6sox> woglinde, its a VHDL State Machine that is too slow...
[16:10:57] <koen-> ka6sox: do you know why the ssh host key on emerald changed?
[16:10:57] <ka6sox> (by 2 clock cycles)
[16:11:08] <ka6sox> koen- look again
[16:11:59] <ka6sox> the Proxy had the IP address, its been bought out from in front of it again.
[16:12:28] <koen-> ah
[16:13:28] <woglinde> ka6sox than gogogo
[16:13:43] <ka6sox> panto, often times the cost of setting up the thread, managing the thread, and then merging when its done are not worth it.
[16:14:34] <woglinde> ka6sox and what do you do than?
[16:14:58] <ka6sox> optimize your code...
[16:15:04] <woglinde> ?
[16:15:13] <panto> ka6sox, agreed; but my premise is that most of the times it's worth it
[16:15:39] <mru> ka6sox: or call an optimisation consultant...
[16:15:42] <panto> getting more performance out of it can come at a later time (or not at all)
[16:15:49] <ka6sox> woglinde, for the VHDL? I need to see where I can parallelize (or drop a term)
[16:16:24] <woglinde> no, I meant the thread stuff
[16:16:28] <ka6sox> mru, +1
[16:16:45] <ka6sox> Optimize your inline code
[16:16:49] <panto> mru, right +1
[16:16:55] <ka6sox> bbl
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[16:18:10] <mru> and do you know what said consultant will tell you?
[16:19:06] <mdp> "my rate is ..."
[16:19:25] <mru> yes, that's one thing he'll say
[16:20:12] <mdp> first thing
[16:21:20] <mru> sounds like you've had experience with consultants
[16:21:35] <panto> mru, lol, he was one of them :)
[16:22:03] <mru> not the same thing
[16:22:36] <mdp> http://www.despair.com/consulting.html :)
[16:22:53] <panto> mru, he wasn't always a boy-scout
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[16:26:23] <mdp> anybody want a linux kernel engineer job in san diego? can fwd recruiter spam if desired
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[16:26:42] <panto> afk
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[16:27:10] <woglinde> mdp not bangalore?
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[16:27:22] <mdp> woglinde: surprisingly not ;)
[16:27:32] * mru wants an engineering job where the engineering is more important than using right cover sheet for the tps report
[16:27:39] <mdp> unpossible
[16:27:56] <jayabharath> mru, it's called work for yourself
[16:28:17] <mru> jayabharath: yes, I've come to that realisation
[16:28:50] <mdp> definitely don't do upstream work...it's mostly tps reports
[16:29:11] <woglinde> mru make your company?
[16:29:15] <woglinde> +own
[16:29:34] <mdp> makers make
[16:30:02] <mru> maker's mark?
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[16:30:31] <woglinde> troll comany nr.1 limited inc
[16:30:37] <mru> hi mr plague
[16:30:47] <woglinde> gm prpplague
[16:30:53] <mdp> hi prpplague
[16:31:21] <prpplague> greetings all
[16:32:09] <woglinde> hm should I connect to prpplague on linked in
[16:32:29] <biot> woglinde: I did, and it got me NO jobs. none.
[16:32:41] <prpplague> hehe
[16:32:47] <woglinde> biot haha
[16:32:57] <mdp> all I got was this lousy t-shirt!
[16:33:35] <woglinde> hm I will try
[16:33:39] <woglinde> in 5 minutes
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[16:39:07] <woglinde> hm I wanted to grep to openjdk code for vor voilatile use
[16:39:09] <mdp> *sigh*
[16:39:36] <mdp> local firmware group poll about topics for a meetings...top choice was "how to use c++ in device drivers"
[16:39:50] <mru> easy: not
[16:39:57] <panto> hi prpplague
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[16:40:10] <woglinde> mdp point them to vmware
[16:40:18] <KotH> mdp: where are you working?
[16:40:24] <KotH> mdp: $consultingcompany?
[16:40:40] <woglinde> oh koth is back
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[16:40:58] <mdp> KotH: I'm just reading the northeast ohio firmware group's poll page
[16:41:02] <mdp> they do some meetups
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[16:43:21] <mdp> prpplague: embedded linux driver position up here if you want to relocate ;)
[16:43:41] <prpplague> mdp: just accepted an offer
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[16:43:50] <mdp> w00t!
[16:43:52] <mru> prpplague: where?
[16:43:53] <biot> !
[16:43:55] <mdp> congrats!
[16:43:58] <mdp> I hope
[16:44:11] <woglinde> prpplague yeah
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[16:44:46] <panto> congrats prpplague
[16:45:27] <mdp> *drum roll*
[16:45:51] <mru> rum troll
[16:46:04] <panto> [troll is now drunk]
[16:46:11] <mdp> troll screech
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[16:56:56] <woglinde> *g*
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[17:15:07] <KotH> woglinde: i was never gone
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[18:08:09] <mranostay> prpplague: just don't beg in the emails :P
[18:08:18] <prpplague> hehe
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[18:18:52] <mdp> prpplague: "Feel free to hire the lesser candidate, good luck"
[18:19:34] <prpplague> hehe
[18:24:35] <mranostay> hey i got an email :P
[18:25:16] <mdp> lol
[18:25:38] <mru> "feel free to hire the punk"?
[18:27:40] <woglinde> hm intressing wargaming bought gas powered games
[18:30:10] <mranostay> eh?
[18:30:36] <mranostay> wtf is a gas powered game?
[18:31:28] <mru> perhaps one involving air guns
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[18:34:37] <koen-> prpplague: congrats on the new job!
[18:35:14] <jkridner> koen-, prpplague: is something official?
[18:35:34] <jkridner> or, is koen- speculating?
[18:35:36] <prpplague> yes but not announced
[18:35:58] <jkridner> today is a great day for non-announcements on #beagle
[18:36:06] <jkridner> btw, Black is a secret.
[18:36:57] <mranostay> could i have a cooler secret?
[18:37:06] <jkridner> boo.
[18:37:10] <mru> mranostay: what colour would you like yours?
[18:37:22] <panto> mranostay, no, but you can have a secret cooler if you like
[18:39:21] <mru> a black one?
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[18:47:52] <mranostay> mru: hot pink
[18:48:38] <woglinde> mranostay gaming company
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[18:49:06] <mru> mranostay: I'd keep that secret too
[18:50:14] <woglinde> mranostay the made some games for microsoft
[18:50:49] <woglinde> and lately trying to servive via kickstarter
[18:52:08] <mru> av500: the picture isn't showing in your g+ post
[18:53:11] <KotH> hm... is it normal that a new pc costs 600eur and the graphic card you'd choose wouldnt even cost 20eur?
[18:53:43] <KotH> or have i not paid attention to pc prices for toooooooo long?
[18:53:47] <mru> no idea, haven't bought a new pc in a long time
[18:54:13] <mranostay> mru: s/colour/color/ fixed that for you :P
[18:54:20] <KotH> graphics card used to cost 100eur up... at least the usable ones
[18:54:38] <mru> only bought laptops in the last few years
[18:54:48] <mru> and my laptops tend to cost significantly more
[18:54:56] <KotH> mru: having 32g ram sounds nice :)
[18:54:57] <panto> prpplague, when is the deadline for the slides today?
[18:55:06] <mru> panto: yesterday
[18:55:14] <panto> mru, you're mea
[18:55:15] <panto> *mean
[18:55:24] <mru> I sent mine this morning
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[18:55:31] <KotH> panto: being right is mean?
[18:55:32] <mru> for a very loose definition of morning
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[18:55:53] <panto> KotH, yah
[18:57:15] <KotH> panto: \pi is _NOT_ 4!
[18:57:42] <mru> so let's fix that
[18:57:57] <KotH> panto: and if you had stayed within the ottoman empire, you would not be broke now ;->
[18:58:20] <panto> being free > being broke
[18:58:42] <mru> they are not mutually exclusive
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[18:59:06] <panto> KotH, you know who came up with all this \pi business right?
[18:59:20] <KotH> panto: mranostay ?
[18:59:41] <mranostay> what?
[19:00:16] <mru> that
[19:00:17] <prpplague> mdp: https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/CdqXzHkykC2
[19:00:19] <panto> nothing, we started blaming you for everything now
[19:00:27] <mru> started?
[19:00:41] <KotH> mranostay: panto blames you for the whole pi busines
[19:01:05] <panto> ok, we blamed him before, but behind his back
[19:01:08] <panto> now it's all out in the open
[19:01:29] <panto> prpplague, nice!
[19:01:46] <mdp> prpplague: sweet
[19:01:54] <mdp> leds == goodness
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[19:15:11] <woglinde> oh prpplague has a picture of edelstoff
[19:16:07] <prpplague> hehe
[19:16:16] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: gave me that one iirc
[19:17:20] <woglinde> good thing is I can buy here helles and edelstoff
[19:23:40] <mranostay> hmmm so what is a good barebones USB drive linux to use?
[19:25:27] <woglinde> ?
[19:25:45] <mranostay> woglinde: something that boots off a USB drive :)
[19:27:33] <mdp> barebonebox
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[19:28:44] <mru> toybox!
[19:29:20] <woglinde> mranostay? that depends on bios or firmware or bootloader
[19:29:42] <mru> I guess a usb-boot capable system is to be assumed
[19:30:04] <mranostay> heh yeah
[19:30:05] <woglinde> or does he man an usbstick?
[19:30:16] <woglinde> or a computer in formfactor of usbstick
[19:30:19] <woglinde> I dont get it
[19:31:45] <mranostay> usbstick
[19:32:04] <woglinde> hm I boot grub on some
[19:33:36] <mru> isn't syslinux usually the boot loader of choice there
[19:33:45] <woglinde> no?
[19:33:49] <woglinde> grub is more fun
[19:34:00] <woglinde> syslinux is limited
[19:34:04] <mru> but it works
[19:34:10] <woglinde> grub works too
[19:34:17] <woglinde> otherwise I had not done it
[19:34:19] <mru> whatever
[19:34:31] <mru> I've only ever booted off usb with syslinux
[19:34:50] <mru> and I only do it to install a new system or (occasionally) recover a broken one
[19:34:56] <woglinde> mranostay use kvm or virtualbox to test it
[19:35:39] <woglinde> mru with grub you can easily boot either a linux recover or windows recover system from the stick
[19:35:54] <woglinde> and you can partitioning it better
[19:35:55] <mru> ok ok
[19:36:17] <woglinde> with syslinux I dark remember you can only have one
[19:36:33] <mru> one's enough, if it's the right one
[19:37:08] <mru> I just assumed there was some reason the installation media all use syslinux
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[20:19:21] <panto> g'night all
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[20:21:56] <mranostay> *sniff*
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[20:28:56] <mrpackethead> source code is called source code because it is teh source of all evil
[20:29:17] <mrpackethead> object code is called object code becuase it its the object of much fustration
[20:29:38] <mdp> and the root user?
[20:31:17] <woglinde> gm mrpackethead
[20:31:49] <_av500_> use the root luke!
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[20:52:01] <djlewis> yes, listen to the root
[20:53:33] <woglinde> jo djlewis
[20:53:36] <woglinde> pizza?
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[20:59:28] <djlewis> woglinde: hi, no that was tuesday.
[20:59:57] <woglinde> hehe
[21:00:02] <mru> over here tuesday is burger day
[21:00:21] * djlewis misses the popeye cartoons
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[21:06:56] <woglinde> hm here is thai day on tuesday
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[21:07:33] <mru> odd how these things vary
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[21:08:32] <Jayneil> Is anyone experiencing system crashes on Ubuntu 12.10 with kernel 3.5.0.24/3.5.0.23 with the Beaglebone.. the crash is due to the usb hub.. Here is the log file.. http://pastebin.com/bNmwNXXF
[21:09:15] <djlewis> later...
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[21:09:22] <Jayneil> The problem does not reproduce on 12.04 or older systems with 3.2.x and older kernel it seems..
[21:10:17] <mru> the stack trace mentions xhci
[21:10:20] <mru> does the system have usb3?
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[21:13:32] <Jayneil> yes.. It has 2 usb 3.0 ports and one usb 2.0..
[21:13:50] <mru> try whichever type this wasn't
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[21:16:14] <Jayneil> I tried on all the ports.. it still crashes the system..
[21:16:25] <mru> complain to ubuntu then
[21:20:51] <Jayneil> Will try other kernel versions to see if the problem has been fixed..
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[22:14:44] <Crofton> sysfs is making me insane
[22:14:59] * Crofton surces libudev
[22:15:59] <Crofton> curses
[22:16:36] <woglinde> *g*
[22:16:38] <mru> ncurses?
[22:16:39] <woglinde> libsysfs
[22:20:12] <Crofton> I find /sys/devices/virtual/misc/axi_fpga with libudev
[22:20:26] <Crofton> but I want to find /sys/devices/amba.0/40000000.axi-fpga/
[22:20:33] <Crofton> so I can read some dev attrs
[22:20:44] <mru> well, does it exist?
[22:22:03] <Crofton> yes
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[22:22:42] <Crofton> http://www.signal11.us/oss/udev/
[22:25:18] <mru> hmm, that's alan_o stuff
[22:25:51] <Crofton> yeah
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[22:29:22] <Crofton> I wish I understaodd all these directorier witht eh same name, but diffeent contents
[22:31:37] <mdp> sounds like a sysfs training class is in demand!
[22:31:47] <woglinde> *g*
[22:37:01] <mdp> Crofton: sysfs.txt has a little background on the hierarchy and why some of the different contexts exist..if you haven't read that yet
[22:39:41] <ka6sox-away> mdp, when is the class scheduled?
[22:40:54] <mdp> course material is being produced..but it's in line after the DT and systemd classes
[22:41:26] <mdp> it's part of our "Thing That Can Help Here(tm)" series
[22:41:59] <ka6sox-away> okay where do I sign up?
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[22:43:56] <mdp> an attendee would require to find an instructor...uh oh
[22:44:04] <mdp> s/to/us to/
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[22:47:23] <ds2> thought over there, burger day is horsey day?
[22:51:49] <mru> ds2: depends on where you get your burgers
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[22:53:25] <woglinde> hm horse meat is nice
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[22:53:40] <woglinde> as bulette
[22:54:02] <mru> nice or not, labelling it as beef is wrong
[22:55:32] <woglinde> sure
[22:55:48] <woglinde> but you will not die
[22:55:55] <mru> nobody said that
[22:55:56] <woglinde> when eating it
[22:56:06] <mru> but it suggests poor quality control somewhere in the chain
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[22:56:26] <woglinde> sure all should be cheap
[22:56:38] <woglinde> so quality control is cheap too
[22:56:55] <prpplague> i have a theory that it isn't horse meat at all.... they have been quietly disposing of large numbers of aliens that Torchwood has killed...
[22:57:43] <mru> scary thought
[22:57:44] <woglinde> prpplague I wonder its in the news in the us
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[22:58:30] <mdp> it hit reuters
[23:01:20] <woglinde> good nite
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[23:06:26] <biot> prpplague: I'm actually starting to get interested in that HDMI debug board of yorus
[23:06:28] <biot> yours
[23:06:42] <prpplague> biot: oh?
[23:06:45] <prpplague> biot: do tell
[23:06:52] <prpplague> biot: working on the fpga code now
[23:07:02] <prpplague> biot: trying to get my vhdl uart working
[23:07:04] <biot> I don't need it or anything, but I've long thought that writing an HDMI protocol decoder would be fun, it's kind of interesting
[23:07:21] <prpplague> biot: ahh
[23:07:33] <biot> but sort of despaired of ever getting anything fast enough to capture it
[23:07:42] <prpplague> biot: well the board itself decodes the protocol
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[23:07:52] <biot> that chip does?
[23:07:56] <prpplague> biot: so you just need something to decode the standard timings
[23:07:58] <prpplague> biot: indeed
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[23:08:15] <biot> aha ok, so what it outputs to let you sniff is just the raw LVDS pins?
[23:08:17] <prpplague> biot: you get standard TTL timings on the output side
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[23:08:29] <prpplague> biot: negative
[23:08:33] <prpplague> biot: not lvds
[23:08:39] <prpplague> biot: just standard TTL
[23:09:13] <prpplague> biot: you can hook any standard LA to it on those pins
[23:09:17] <prpplague> biot: and view the data
[23:09:29] <biot> what would that chip normally be used for?
[23:09:56] <prpplague> biot: in DVI/HDMI lcd panels
[23:10:31] <prpplague> biot: generally the same thing you would have in a desktop HDMI/DVI capable panel
[23:10:47] <ds2> you could die from eatting horse meat...some of them have horse drugs
[23:11:01] <prpplague> ds2: which is one of the items they are concerned about now
[23:11:15] <biot> prpplague: so this is for testing whether your device under test is generating good HDMI out?
[23:11:18] <ds2> prpplague: yep... surprisingly, no one has really commented on results of testing for that
[23:11:29] <ds2> you'd think they can test for that quicker then they can sequence DNA
[23:11:32] <prpplague> biot: correct, and good timing information
[23:11:34] <biot> ds2: worst thing that could happen, you win the tour de france accidentally
[23:11:37] <biot> *ZING*
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[23:11:53] <Crofton> mdp, thanks. Sounds like I should start there
[23:12:10] <prpplague> biot: i.e. if you set the Vertical Sync Width to 20, and you check on the LA or scope, and it isn't 20, then you know you have issues
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[23:12:42] <prpplague> biot: you could connect up a standard 100MHz capable LA to my board and actually decode the video
[23:13:01] <biot> prpplague: but wouldn't that sort of thing be driven by a dedicated GPU of sorts? you tell it 20, it's guaranteed to work?
[23:13:13] <biot> I mean I assume you're not designing a GPU
[23:13:27] <ds2> nothing is guaranteed
[23:13:35] <ds2> esp. when pesky PLLs and stuff is involved
[23:13:55] <prpplague> biot: sort of, but it is depend on the software in many respects
[23:14:08] <biot> ah, so you'd still want to check the output of even a known working GPU, just on your board with your driver etc
[23:14:09] <prpplague> biot: for instance, robclark was debugging a new HDMI driver recently
[23:14:21] <prpplague> biot: so it would work on some displays but not other
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[23:14:53] <HeadAche> I'm soooo bored that I came here
[23:15:01] <prpplague> biot: so after debugging it with my board, they realized that the bottom four bits for the VSW were in one register, and the top four were in another
[23:15:05] <ds2> sync sizes are such trivial things
[23:15:11] <ds2> for added fun, debug color issues
[23:15:13] <prpplague> biot: they were writing all 8 bits to the same register
[23:15:25] <prpplague> ds2: indeed
[23:15:32] <biot> interesting
[23:15:42] <ds2> prpplague: the AM335x has a very convoluted video out
[23:15:50] <prpplague> ds2: seems so
[23:16:00] <prpplague> biot: you should watch my lcd presentation
[23:16:06] <ds2> prpplague: you saw my rants on how their "24 bpp" output is done?
[23:16:13] <prpplague> yea
[23:16:19] <robclark> not to mention, it is often useful to know that the clock you think you're getting is the one you are actually getting, etc..
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[23:16:47] <prpplague> robclark: exactly
[23:16:51] <prpplague> biot: http://www.elinux.org/Elc-lcd
[23:17:02] <ds2> it is also good to know that the video lines aren't loaded too much and your so call clock signal hasn't come a sine wave
[23:17:03] <prpplague> biot: the redwood version is the lastest and up to date
[23:17:30] <biot> the one where you generate that "biot is a moocher" text on the test display?
[23:17:33] <biot> I REMEMBER IT WELL
[23:17:53] <prpplague> hehe
[23:18:20] <prpplague> biot: i forgot about that
[23:18:52] <biot> aha, didn't watch this latest version, could do with a refresher
[23:18:55] * biot watches
[23:19:05] <prpplague> biot: most of the display driver developers are limited by access to the displays they can test
[23:19:44] <prpplague> biot: this will allow one device to pretend to be a whole different number of them and have quantitative data to prove that it is working properly
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[23:20:41] <ds2> isn't it more accurate to say - limited by access to displays with data that they can test with?
[23:20:49] <ds2> :D
[23:21:10] <biot> aha, so you'd make your driver generate vsw, pixel clock, etc for a particular display, and then check the output with that board + an LA
[23:21:37] <prpplague> biot: exactly
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[23:21:43] <biot> interesting
[23:22:16] <biot> so ideally, you'd want to automate that -- have the LA analyze the output and report exactly what timings etc it saw
[23:22:35] <biot> so you could have it run through a bunch of them, and just report it all after it's done
[23:22:38] <prpplague> biot: exactly
[23:22:59] <prpplague> biot: so marry my current board to a fpga design similar to the OLS
[23:23:11] <prpplague> biot: but specifically configured for this
[23:23:23] <biot> er, it would need tons of memory though?
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[23:23:35] <prpplague> biot: only if you are going to decode the video
[23:23:44] <Crofton> sysfs.txt des not answer my questions
[23:23:47] <prpplague> biot: most concerned with just capturing the timings
[23:24:02] <biot> ah, you're talking about doing the timing analysis with the FPGA, not just shipping it out to a PC
[23:24:11] <prpplague> biot: yea
[23:24:17] <biot> makes sense
[23:24:56] <biot> so completely different project than I thought it was, but it's interesting again :)
[23:25:20] <prpplague> biot: hehe, well i haven't made a full attempt at documenting and explaining it as of yet
[23:25:47] <ds2> and include a parser that takes the timing description structures so you can turn the screen green or red as go/no go test
[23:25:47] <ds2> :D
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[23:27:25] <prpplague> ds2: hehe, already have a flag set out in the uart data to identify timings that don't match what the EDID is set for
[23:27:31] <biot> prpplague: so is the plan to expand that board with an FPGA etc?
[23:27:39] <prpplague> biot: yea, two versions
[23:27:50] <prpplague> biot: one for folks who have the tools they need
[23:28:08] <prpplague> biot: the other for more software developers like robclark that just want some numbers from an easy to use tool
[23:28:39] <biot> what about the FPGA firmware to analyze and report the timing? will you do that?
[23:28:48] <biot> (I have no idea if you do FPGA stuff)
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[23:30:06] <ds2> isn't the timing analysis basically a few flipflops and a counter?
[23:30:10] <prpplague> biot: yea working on that now
[23:30:14] <prpplague> ds2: yea
[23:30:24] <ds2> build it with 7400 chips! ;)
[23:30:46] <prpplague> biot: i have the pixel clock freq counter working, as well as counting the frame refresh rate
[23:30:58] <biot> oh I dunno, you might want to report more precise deviation
[23:31:10] <biot> or hmm, is that relevant for a driver developer
[23:31:32] <prpplague> biot: i'm going to release the vhdl under an open license, so people will be able to expand it
[23:31:59] <prpplague> biot: not so much for software dev
[23:32:09] <biot> right
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