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  • [00:56:21] <alan_o> So who knows about SYSBOOT?
  • [00:56:26] <alan_o> I'm reading the TRM now
  • [00:56:51] <alan_o> I guess the issue is, it seems like stuff is going to happen on those pins during bootup
  • [00:57:49] <alan_o> so if I want a peripheral that uses those pins, do I need to put a latch on there to high-z those pins from my device until a driver is loaded or somehting?
  • [00:57:58] <alan_o> I'm looking at the boot sequence.
  • [00:58:45] <alan_o> I'm not sure yet which one the bone is using, but it seems like all of them are going to check stuff before it gets to mmc0
  • [00:59:34] <alan_o> So then the _real_ question is, I'm looking at the SRM for the BeagleBone Black, and it's talking about MMC1 being used for boot. That's muxed with pins I was going to use on the expansion header
  • [01:00:38] <alan_o> I guess I'm trying to figure out if I need to be off of those pins at boot time. So for example, if I pull one of those pins up or down, am I going to cause bootup to fail?
  • [01:00:53] <alan_o> So much muxing, it seems like no pins are safe.
  • [01:01:26] <ka6sox> alan_o, nothing is sacred anymore with pinmuxing.
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  • [01:02:25] <alan_o> I remember mdp talking about getting sideways on sysboot pins
  • [01:02:55] <alan_o> he connected up his stuff and the bone wouldn't boot. I guess I just don't get how to avoid that.
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  • [01:12:20] <jdsa> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruf98x/spruf98x.pdf page 2614: OVF_Rate = (0xFFFF FFFF - GPTn.TLDR + 1) * (timer-functional clock period) * PS table16-11 the example for TLDR=0xFFFF FFF0 and PS=1 is equal to 524 ??s. however, (0xFFFF FFFF - 0xFFFF FFF0 + 1) * (1/32768) * 1 = 488 ??s
  • [01:12:48] <jdsa> can anyone explain why I calculate the value different than the TRM?
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  • [01:31:21] <jdsa> anyone?
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  • [01:40:54] <ka6sox> jdsa, evening...on a Saturday...
  • [01:41:12] <ka6sox> (an I am headed out to observe the stars...bbl)
  • [01:41:15] <jdsa> it is sunday early morning here
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  • [01:43:04] <ka6sox-away> just don't give the LAPD one....they will put a mini-gun on it and use it to shoot up neighborhoods: http://mashable.com/2013/02/08/hackable-palm-sized-drone/
  • [01:46:18] <mranostay> ka6sox-away: wasn't LA getting a drone?
  • [01:49:53] <ka6sox-away> if they are then I'll skip SCaLE...I don't trust them at all..
  • [01:49:57] <mdp> alan_o: you just have to design your hardware so it's not driving those sysboot pins elsewhere than the baseboard does???during the reset sampling period
  • [01:50:11] <mdp> see the initialization section in the TRM
  • [01:50:24] <ka6sox-away> okay back to finishing the new design...laters
  • [01:50:28] <alan_o> mdp: yeah, that's what I've been reading
  • [01:50:39] <alan_o> There's too much muxing
  • [01:50:43] <mdp> I accidentally had a couple lines with strong pulls
  • [01:51:10] <mdp> alan_o, switch to allwinner..less complexity..less features???less pinmuxing.
  • [01:51:15] <alan_o> and it looks like the black will use the mmc1 for the onboard nand
  • [01:51:16] <alan_o> hehe
  • [01:51:25] <mdp> but then they have their boot mmc and jtag muxed ;) ouch
  • [01:51:35] <alan_o> doh!
  • [01:51:38] <mdp> mmc1 is eMMC, yes
  • [01:51:55] <alan_o> so if I'm on any of those pins, the user won't be able to use the nand?
  • [01:52:09] <mdp> correct
  • [01:52:20] <alan_o> So that's a pretty big limitation
  • [01:52:35] <alan_o> people with existing capes that stomp on that are going to be irritated
  • [01:52:36] <mdp> yes, any change in the original hardware complicates things
  • [01:52:41] <alan_o> yeah, no doubt
  • [01:52:44] <mdp> heck..using an lcd cape complicates things
  • [01:52:52] <mdp> as you lose half the useful pru pins
  • [01:53:00] <alan_o> yeah, using _any_ cape limits the possibilities of using any other cape
  • [01:53:03] <mdp> so you are fscked any way you go
  • [01:53:08] <alan_o> I'm trying to stay off as much as possible
  • [01:53:46] <alan_o> so there's listed LCD pins up through 32, but none of the LCD or HDMI capes seem to use beyond 16
  • [01:53:53] <alan_o> haven't quite cracked the code on that one yet
  • [01:54:14] <alan_o> I'm sure it probably does 16- and 32-bit modes.
  • [01:54:33] <mdp> I only believe in serial lcds, nfc on that
  • [01:54:44] <mdp> ok, family time..bbl
  • [01:55:18] <alan_o> looks like it goes to 24, not 32.
  • [01:55:23] <alan_o> thanks mdp, have fun :)
  • [01:56:29] <jdsa> what is the functional clock frequency of beagleboard-xm on GPT9?
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  • [02:51:32] <SlashV> I've been struggling for some time now to get rotated screen output on beagleboard. Can't get it to work properly. Any hints?
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  • [03:06:19] <mranostay> alan_o: get a troll table?
  • [03:07:39] <alan_o> yeah
  • [03:08:01] <alan_o> I mean.... a table to sit at and show some demo stuff?
  • [03:08:13] <alan_o> yes, I got one of those
  • [03:08:20] <alan_o> I imagine there will be some trolling
  • [03:08:59] <alan_o> Now I have to get the hardware I want to show at it done :)
  • [03:16:01] <Shadyman> alan_o: Otherwise it'd be a troll troll table.
  • [03:16:23] <Shadyman> Trolls: "What do you have?" You: "nothing. TROLOLO" Trolls: "DOH!"
  • [03:16:53] <alan_o> hah
  • [03:22:39] <emeb_mac> trollllled
  • [03:22:46] <emeb_mac> tricktrolled
  • [03:24:51] <Shadyman> So, with the bbone, I see plenty of documentation saying "Try XYZ-Distribution". Do those distributions (ubuntu, etc) support beagle capes and such?
  • [03:25:04] <Shadyman> derpy question of the day.
  • [03:25:27] <Shadyman> "support" as in automatic detection of cape eeprom, etc as angstrom does
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  • [03:35:13] <mranostay> out of beerz againz
  • [03:36:04] * mranostay steals one from alan_o
  • [03:36:14] <mranostay> oh wait
  • [03:38:00] <Shadyman> mranostay: You must first troll alan_o before you steal his beer.
  • [03:38:36] <mranostay> iirc alan_o doesn't drink
  • [03:39:04] <Shadyman> well, if you were a true ninja, you could still steal one anwyays.
  • [03:40:03] * emeb_mac has only 1 beer left
  • [03:40:11] * mranostay cluebats emeb_mac and steals it
  • [03:40:22] <emeb_mac> ow! where's my beer?
  • [03:42:18] <emeb_mac> mranostay: here's what you got: http://www.fourpeaks.com/#/the_regulars/8thStreetAle/
  • [03:42:58] <alan_o> hehe
  • [03:43:18] <mranostay> emeb_mac: ever find a 6 pack your forgot you bought? :)
  • [03:43:30] <mranostay> <-- has done that
  • [03:43:33] <alan_o> sometimes the ones I hide around the house
  • [03:43:41] <emeb_mac> mranostay: can't say I recall that happening.
  • [03:43:54] <alan_o> how many fridges you got?
  • [03:44:36] <mranostay> alan_o: it was in a cabinet
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  • [04:41:19] <rgdesh> hello
  • [04:42:00] <rgdesh> where can I find the weight of the ARM Cortex A8 processor used by the BeagleBoard?
  • [04:42:51] * mranostay is drunk
  • [04:42:56] <mranostay> i just didn't read that
  • [04:43:09] <emeb_mac> weight? as in "put it on a scale"?
  • [04:43:21] <emeb_mac> how could that possibly be important?
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  • [04:45:40] <mranostay> heh we scared him off
  • [04:47:23] <Shadyman> Since he's gone, I'm going to drop a "lrn2datasheet" in here.
  • [04:48:07] <Shadyman> though admittedly, I should be nicer to noobs, seeing as I'm one myself in most aspects
  • [04:49:23] <emeb_mac> so I got an "I have doubts" email from someone today regarding one of the DIY boards I've written up.
  • [04:51:46] <mranostay> i am as bad as mru now.. irc from phone
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  • [05:46:35] <mranostay> hi mrpackethead
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  • [05:55:38] <mrpackethead> mranostay: hi
  • [05:58:30] <mranostay> how is it in the land down under?
  • [05:59:54] <mrpackethead> good good
  • [05:59:58] <mrpackethead> nice and warm
  • [06:01:07] <mrpackethead> i've been busy buidling a bit of a new bench at home
  • [06:01:14] <mrpackethead> put a few basic tools on the bench
  • [06:07:57] <emeb_mac> hammer, chisel, propane torch...
  • [06:09:22] <mranostay> hey emeb_mac the great
  • [06:09:40] <emeb_mac> hola mranostay
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  • [06:11:59] <mranostay> slides off.. need to practice them maybe once more
  • [06:12:33] <emeb_mac> huh?
  • [06:12:44] <mranostay> emeb_mac: ELC
  • [06:12:52] <emeb_mac> oh - presentation slides.
  • [06:12:52] <mranostay> i forget are you going?
  • [06:13:01] <emeb_mac> no -
  • [06:13:23] <mranostay> lame
  • [06:13:29] <mranostay> really lame man :)
  • [06:13:32] <emeb_mac> can't take off for that kinda stuff. too far outside my day job.
  • [06:14:18] <mranostay> what is the day job?
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  • [06:18:39] <emeb_mac> system engineering for Software Defined Radio.
  • [06:18:55] <emeb_mac> lots of Matlab & VHDL coding
  • [06:19:20] <mranostay> then again i'm in a related field (what they have me doing) and i have to take PTO..
  • [06:22:29] <mranostay> emeb_mac: another HW guy? how do you know to use IRC? :)
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  • [06:23:05] <emeb_mac> mranostay: inorite?
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  • [06:27:58] <mranostay> emeb_mac: i impressed a hw guy at work that could understand a schematic.. :)
  • [06:28:46] <mranostay> the new college kids don't have to take any ac/dc circuits for CS
  • [06:29:44] <emeb_mac> lame
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  • [06:35:46] <mrpackethead> im just rebuilding electroplating cape
  • [06:36:02] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [06:36:08] <mrpackethead> thats prototyping
  • [06:37:43] <mranostay> mrpackethead: want to write a real driver for it? :)
  • [06:37:58] <mranostay> sleep 0.0012 annoy me :)
  • [06:38:05] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [06:38:08] <mrpackethead> yeah, might do
  • [06:38:17] <mrpackethead> its pretty crappy the way it is
  • [06:38:23] <mrpackethead> but the hardware will work just fine
  • [06:38:53] <mranostay> i'm sure we'd give you a troll discount here :P
  • [06:39:03] <mrpackethead> trolls eat hobbits
  • [06:39:06] <mrpackethead> :-(
  • [06:39:32] <mrpackethead> it doe'snt really need that much precisio
  • [06:39:48] <mrpackethead> but i'd like to keep it repeatble
  • [06:39:59] <emeb_mac> here you go re hobbits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WhLvwIUuLWg
  • [06:40:27] * mranostay clicks
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  • [06:41:42] <emeb_mac> this is what a lifetime of doing drugs will do to your brain
  • [06:41:45] <mrpackethead> my servers are so unorginally named after middle-earth locations
  • [06:42:09] <mrpackethead> after years of boring corporate names, like "ns1"
  • [06:42:11] <mranostay> emeb_mac: well lucky my grandma says alcohol isn't a drug
  • [06:42:14] <mrpackethead> or "mail"
  • [06:42:21] <emeb_mac> there's a lot of potential names in tolkien's material.
  • [06:42:46] <mranostay> NFL hat is a nice touch
  • [06:42:49] <mrpackethead> its much more fun to call thigns, like "hobbiton", "theshire", "erebor", "isengard"
  • [06:42:52] <emeb_mac> mranostay: your grandma is a wise woman.
  • [06:43:02] <emeb_mac> alcohol is food. :)
  • [06:43:26] <mrpackethead> these days, i live 1.5km from teh gates of mordor.
  • [06:43:36] <mrpackethead> though i'm not sure if middle-earth is metric
  • [06:43:46] <mranostay> emeb_mac: except she views pot as gateway drug :)
  • [06:43:51] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: where in AU are you?
  • [06:43:55] <mranostay> hehehe
  • [06:44:28] <emeb_mac> mranostay: well, everyone has their blind spots.
  • [06:44:52] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: is that a serious question.. in reply.. what part of the Canada are you in
  • [06:45:12] <mranostay> snowy part
  • [06:45:26] <mrpackethead> its all snonwy this weekend is'nt it?
  • [06:45:35] <mrpackethead> Snow From Florida to Alaska
  • [06:45:49] <mranostay> never snows here so i'm happy
  • [06:45:55] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: it was serious based on mranostay mentioning down under earlier.
  • [06:46:12] <mranostay> maybe flurries once in 50 years i'm told
  • [06:46:19] <emeb_mac> and in reply, I'm in the part of Canada where Canadians go during the winter.
  • [06:46:26] <emeb_mac> ie Arizona. :P
  • [06:46:43] * mranostay pokes mag
  • [06:47:06] <mranostay> some on a 100% year round basis :)
  • [06:47:07] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: New Zealand.. 1800km east of Australia
  • [06:47:32] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: Ah - sorry. Down Under is bigger than I thought.
  • [06:47:38] <mranostay> same diffenece :)
  • [06:48:04] <mranostay> like canada is the 51st^H^H^H^H52nd state
  • [06:48:04] * emeb_mac has rellies in Melbourne.
  • [06:48:46] <dm8tbr> good moaning
  • [06:48:47] <mrpackethead> dumb windows machien
  • [06:48:58] <mrpackethead> i can't have the laser cutter and the pcb mill plugged in at the same time
  • [06:49:03] <mrpackethead> ( at least not turned on )
  • [06:49:50] <mrpackethead> i have a phone conference with CircuitCo on Tuesday ( monday uS time )
  • [06:49:59] <mrpackethead> urgh.. 5:30am in the morning
  • [06:51:43] <mranostay> mrpackethead: CCO go on :)
  • [06:52:04] <mranostay> cape design?
  • [06:52:28] <mrpackethead> am investigating a single board design for somethign
  • [06:52:33] <mrpackethead> my prototype works
  • [06:53:09] <mrpackethead> software largely done
  • [06:53:09] <mrpackethead> but since i have to create a pcb and put parts on it
  • [06:53:09] <mrpackethead> why not just have one pcb
  • [06:53:12] <mrpackethead> with everything on it
  • [06:53:28] <mrpackethead> and since circuitco are alredy in this business with a lot of experiecne
  • [06:53:33] <mrpackethead> it might be a low pain path
  • [06:54:02] <mrpackethead> low pain can justify higher than chinese manufacuturing costs
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  • [07:27:02] <mrpackethead> interesting?
  • [07:27:32] <mrpackethead> went very quiet did'nt it
  • [07:41:39] <mranostay> 38 minutes to run though slides
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  • [08:17:22] <mrpackethead> lolo.
  • [08:17:37] <mrpackethead> hello keon
  • [08:17:44] <mrpackethead> koen: hello
  • [08:21:00] <KotH> mru: in turkish, we have a very nice saying, it translates to "what does a cat understand of vinegard" :-)
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  • [10:57:45] <aleek> helloo
  • [10:59:26] <aleek> I have created a patch for chipsee extension board but the thing is, my touchscreen works upside down :D
  • [10:59:52] <aleek> left is left but up is down and down is up ;) and it is only with directfb, not tslib
  • [11:03:59] <mru> KotH: a cat might find mice in the vineyard
  • [11:05:42] <KotH> :-)
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  • [11:39:01] <hfak> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruf98x/spruf98x.pdf page 2614: OVF_Rate = (0xFFFF FFFF - GPTn.TLDR + 1) * (timer-functional clock period) * PS table16-11 the example for TLDR=0xFFFF FFF0 and PS=1 is equal to 524 ??s. however, (0xFFFF FFFF - 0xFFFF FFF0 + 1) * (1/32768) * 1 = 488 ??s
  • [11:39:03] <hfak> can anyone explain why I calculate the value different than the TRM?
  • [11:39:18] <hfak> *?? is usec
  • [11:39:23] <mru> you made a mistake?
  • [11:39:36] <hfak> no paste it on google, it calculates the same
  • [11:47:03] <woglinde> aleek fix directfb
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  • [12:02:24] <_av500_> or use it upside down
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  • [12:03:32] <aleek> 2nd options better :D
  • [12:03:39] <aleek> s/options/option
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  • [12:08:01] <woglinde> or do not use directfb
  • [12:08:04] <woglinde> gm av500
  • [12:09:08] <mru> woglinde: that's a brilliant idea, have you patented it?
  • [12:09:28] <woglinde> mru no
  • [12:10:00] <woglinde> but unfornatly I like directfb
  • [12:10:15] <woglinde> and maintained the recipe in oe
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  • [14:58:43] <mranostay> morning
  • [14:59:25] <woglinde> gm mranostay
  • [15:00:59] <mru> is that what it is?
  • [15:01:06] <mru> I thought it was raining
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  • [16:13:16] <mru> _av500_: your g+ friends have stalking tendencies
  • [16:16:06] <emeb_mac> best kind of friends
  • [16:42:40] <prpplague> mru: that's a good thing right?
  • [16:43:46] <mru> insuffient data
  • [16:44:45] <prpplague> hehe
  • [16:59:53] <mranostay> overly attached g+ friends?
  • [17:00:52] * mranostay suspects mru loves his fonts
  • [17:00:59] <emeb_mac> with crazy eyes...
  • [17:01:35] <mru> I +1'd a comment on a post by av500, and the person who made the comment immediately checked out my profile
  • [17:01:42] * prpplague needs to setup an auto-reply for job offers wanting relocation to the bay area
  • [17:02:07] <mranostay> mru: linkedin? or g+?
  • [17:02:13] <mru> mranostay: g+
  • [17:02:57] <biot> prpplague: I thought that was an option?
  • [17:03:36] <mru> I expect any company serious about hiring me to relocate to my city :)
  • [17:03:40] <prpplague> biot: i minimal option that after spending a couple of days in the bay area was quickly killed
  • [17:04:00] <biot> really? what was the major thing you disliked?
  • [17:04:06] <prpplague> mru: how were you able to determine that they visited your profile
  • [17:04:25] <mru> prpplague: she +1'd a bunch of my photos
  • [17:04:31] <prpplague> mru: ahh
  • [17:04:38] <emeb_mac> mru knows things...
  • [17:05:23] <mranostay> biot: probably the insane housing prices
  • [17:05:25] <prpplague> biot: top ones are a 10% state income tax, cost of purchasing a home, and the simple fact that most of the guns i own would not be legal there....
  • [17:05:56] <emeb_mac> don't forget earthquakes!
  • [17:06:01] * mranostay rolls eyes
  • [17:06:10] <woglinde> guns
  • [17:06:10] <prpplague> emeb_mac: yea that is a trade off , since we have tornadoes here
  • [17:06:25] <mranostay> yeah tornados happen a bit more :)
  • [17:06:32] <mru> but bay area has _hipsters_!!!
  • [17:06:41] <biot> prpplague: well, can't argue with all that
  • [17:07:02] <mranostay> mru: that isn't a selling point
  • [17:07:06] <biot> mru: hence the gun thing
  • [17:07:07] <emeb_mac> prpplague: try Arizona - a few tech outfits here, no tornadoes, no earthquakes, plenty of guns.
  • [17:07:13] <mru> mranostay: exactly
  • [17:07:37] <mru> emeb_mac: how about sand worms?
  • [17:07:42] <woglinde> lol
  • [17:07:52] <woglinde> its not dune
  • [17:08:03] <emeb_mac> mru: minor annoyance
  • [17:08:11] <prpplague> emeb_mac: yea, i have few items of interest there
  • [17:08:37] * prpplague needs to make a decision on something soon
  • [17:08:55] <emeb_mac> prpplague: got another refugee from Dallas area here. Guy used to do contract work at TI too.
  • [17:08:57] <biot> prpplague: OTOH that's where all the tech is,
  • [17:09:46] <mranostay> prpplague: storage unit in nevada :)
  • [17:10:20] <prpplague> biot: indeed and i think a lot of the companies are starting to realize that they are loosing out on a lot of developers as well as business expenses doing business there
  • [17:10:37] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe that doesn't solve the other issues
  • [17:10:59] <emeb_mac> store hipsters in Nevada?
  • [17:11:39] <prpplague> hehe
  • [17:12:19] <_av500_> guns....
  • [17:12:24] <_av500_> oh my
  • [17:12:58] <mranostay> _av500_: arm is sore from shooting 'high power' rifles yesterday :)
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  • [17:13:09] <_av500_> fine
  • [17:13:33] <_av500_> one day you will rise up againt evil government
  • [17:13:47] <woglinde> hm no
  • [17:13:51] <_av500_> assuming the HOA will let you cross your lawn with a loaded gun
  • [17:13:59] <emeb_mac> _av500_: the first gun I ever remember seeing was at my grandparent's place in Bramsche.
  • [17:14:31] <mranostay> _av500_: you know some of us shoot for fun and not expecting an uprising :)
  • [17:14:42] <mranostay> prpplague: call me silly right? :)
  • [17:16:36] * emeb_mac has to vacuum his yard for the HOA today...
  • [17:17:09] <mranostay> emeb_mac: astroturf?
  • [17:17:22] <_av500_> mranostay: that must the vocal majority that is all for controlling guns more, right? because since you use them only for fun you are all for more backgroubd checks and having them safely locked up in the gun clubs etc...
  • [17:17:28] <emeb_mac> mranostay: no - rock.
  • [17:17:43] <emeb_mac> lots of rock/gravel yards here in AZ.
  • [17:18:10] <mranostay> _av500_: well self defense too but you don't have to get all crazy about it :)
  • [17:18:52] <prpplague> _av500_: despite what the media says, background checks are already done on the vast majority of sales. i am all ok with background checks, but not for being locked up in gun clubs
  • [17:19:41] <_av500_> prpplague: right, along with the mandatory training that is more rigorous than being allows to drive a car, right?
  • [17:19:50] <_av500_> allowed*
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  • [17:20:21] <mru> _av500_: cars don't travel at supersonic speeds
  • [17:20:37] <mranostay> what are we joining the SWAT team? :)
  • [17:20:46] <prpplague> _av500_: hehe, yea i think there should be some training, or proof that it is not required
  • [17:20:50] <_av500_> but, in fact, you can stop, I stopped caring. I will still mourn your dead kids, but I have 0 sympathy left for anybody else
  • [17:21:00] <_av500_> go shoot
  • [17:21:17] <mru> prpplague: aren't the background checks mostly on new sales only?
  • [17:21:25] <_av500_> mru: of course
  • [17:21:34] <mru> I've heard once sold, a gun can be resold without any checks or paper trail
  • [17:21:36] <prpplague> mru: only sales from a dealer
  • [17:21:47] <mranostay> mru: varies from state to state
  • [17:21:49] <prpplague> mru: depends on the state
  • [17:21:56] <mranostay> california for sure no :)
  • [17:22:02] <_av500_> do bullets stop at stae borders?
  • [17:22:08] <_av500_> state*
  • [17:22:13] <_av500_> like polica cars do
  • [17:23:00] <mranostay> no but yout caught with illegal guns in CA you are getting a few long sentences
  • [17:23:23] <mru> _av500_: how are the laws in europe, are police allowed to pursue crooks across, say, the german/belgian border?
  • [17:23:48] <_av500_> mru: I always got away clean :)
  • [17:23:55] <mranostay> anyway i'm going to miss my train if i get bogged into this talk :)
  • [17:24:02] <_av500_> a train?
  • [17:24:07] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe
  • [17:24:07] <_av500_> now you are trolling
  • [17:24:33] <mranostay> caltrain... barely counts
  • [17:24:54] <_av500_> thats like one of these courtesy trams in amusement parks :)
  • [17:25:00] <_av500_> just a bit bigger
  • [17:25:03] <mru> that thing makes even the british trains feel fast
  • [17:25:23] <emeb_mac> US trains are pretty sad.
  • [17:27:17] <woglinde> hm our german railsstuff will get worser too, first area is now driven by a uk based company
  • [17:27:26] <_av500_> run
  • [17:28:34] <emeb_mac> owche. Trains in DE always were the epitome for me. Times change.
  • [17:28:54] <_av500_> yes
  • [17:29:05] <_av500_> emeb_mac: if you want punctual trains, see switzerland
  • [17:29:29] <woglinde> av500 there net is small
  • [17:29:36] <woglinde> with all the hills
  • [17:29:46] <_av500_> and?
  • [17:33:03] <mru> the stockholm metro has been run by the hong kong MTR for some time
  • [17:33:13] <mru> I've had no reason to complain
  • [17:38:24] <emeb_mac> wonder if they post signs prohibiting durian.
  • [17:38:36] <emeb_mac> oh wait - that's singapore.
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  • [17:46:23] <CareBear\> guns.. I like the idea that is written into the constitution
  • [17:46:56] <CareBear\> that the people must have ultimate power in form of weapons, so that they can shoot off their government if the government isn't behaving.
  • [17:47:06] <mru> the us constitution has a lot of good things in it
  • [17:47:17] <mru> shame about the interpretation
  • [17:47:27] <CareBear\> that's not really how it works in practise though
  • [17:48:22] <CareBear\> the constituents were probably noble men with noble intentions
  • [17:48:23] <mru> it was also written well before high-capacity assault rifles were invented
  • [17:48:30] <CareBear\> mm
  • [17:48:52] <CareBear\> law tends not to be very forward compatible
  • [17:49:06] <CareBear\> I wonder if we will see this change over the next few generations
  • [17:49:21] <emeb_mac> I've heard a theory that the 2nd amendment was added at the behest of southern slave owners afraid of insurrection.
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  • [17:51:04] <prpplague> emeb_mac: and an equally common story is that it was added at the behest of the northern abolitionists to prevent southern plantation owners from taking weapons from freed slaves
  • [17:51:32] <emeb_mac> prpplague: theories are dime-a-dozen.
  • [17:51:37] <prpplague> indeed
  • [17:52:38] <CareBear\> emeb_mac : you a yankee?
  • [17:52:46] <woglinde> lol
  • [17:53:18] <emeb_mac> CareBear\: in what sense? Northerner or USian?
  • [17:53:23] <CareBear\> northerner
  • [17:53:49] <mru> emeb_mac: and the best theories are completely made-up
  • [17:53:57] <emeb_mac> Born in OH, so I guess I'm a Yankee in that sense. Live in the SW, but married to a Texan.
  • [17:54:19] <emeb_mac> mru: those usually make more sense than the reality.
  • [17:54:23] <CareBear\> wow
  • [17:54:52] <CareBear\> emeb_mac : so you get the best out of everything ;)
  • [17:55:08] <CareBear\> except maybe growing up in OH was not so hot
  • [17:55:44] <CareBear\> never mind - just funny to imagine a little north & south in #beagle
  • [17:55:48] <mru> emeb_mac: like this one I found in the guardian: "Julian Assange is a creation and agent of the global right, specifically designed to make the left look ridiculous."
  • [17:56:30] <CareBear\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_&_South_(video_game)
  • [17:57:42] <emeb_mac> CareBear\: we like to mix it up.
  • [17:57:56] <emeb_mac> mru: most awesome.
  • [17:57:57] <CareBear\> emeb_mac : that's the way to go
  • [17:58:26] <emeb_mac> mru: You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike
  • [18:04:05] <CareBear\> "A Native American who lives to the west of the territory might hurl a giant tomahawk randomly at one of the westernmost states, destroying the army unfortunate enough to be garrisoned there. Similarly, a sombrero-clad Mexican living to the southwest might suddenly wake up from his siesta and toss a bomb into Texas, result being the same."
  • [18:04:40] <CareBear\> better watch out for the sombreros
  • [18:05:03] <emeb_mac> don't see a lot of those these days.
  • [18:05:03] <CareBear\> mexicans either sleep or toss bombs into texas
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  • [18:05:08] <CareBear\> how is that for pc :p
  • [18:05:52] <CareBear\> oh!
  • [18:06:06] <CareBear\> remake!
  • [18:06:10] <CareBear\> http://ifanzine.com/the-bluecoats-north-vs-south-review/
  • [18:07:02] <biot> CareBear\: oh man, you mentioning that brings back such memories :)
  • [18:07:10] <CareBear\> biot : good fun!
  • [18:07:32] <biot> really was
  • [18:08:24] <biot> CareBear\: BTW had the cops over yesterday... they're saying I hit some car on my way out of the FOSDEM parking lot
  • [18:08:33] <CareBear\> !!
  • [18:08:45] <CareBear\> not possible
  • [18:08:46] <biot> I think that makes me a bad open source person
  • [18:09:11] <ynezz> omg, I know someone who commited a crime!
  • [18:10:00] <CareBear\> biot : so what's next?
  • [18:10:05] <CareBear\> biot : how long will you go to jail for?
  • [18:10:37] <biot> meh
  • [18:10:46] <prpplague> hehe
  • [18:14:28] <CareBear\> I'm impressed that the police will come seek you out
  • [18:16:08] <emeb_mac> Belgian police. Resourceful.
  • [18:16:30] <CareBear\> at least that day
  • [18:17:01] <emeb_mac> Come to Belgium - we have beer and chocolate. And resourceful police.
  • [18:18:31] <CareBear\> this looks really cool actually :) http://www.gamespot.com/the-bluecoats-north-and-south/videos/the-bluecoats-north-and-south-launch-trailer-6374013/
  • [18:21:03] <ynezz> CareBear\: well, biot didn't tell us it was a police car...
  • [18:21:17] <CareBear\> hah
  • [18:21:29] <CareBear\> I see
  • [18:22:08] <ynezz> "hit some car with a molotow coctail"
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  • [18:23:41] <mranostay> hello again
  • [18:25:20] <emeb> hiya
  • [18:25:33] <emeb> had to fire up the linux box to try something...
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  • [18:51:22] <Scud> hi all. Please help, trying to get BB-XM revC to use 10" LCD...no luck
  • [18:51:43] <Scud> touchscreen, btw
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  • [18:57:25] <Scud> I am relatively novice to linux but, I can manage. Anyone else get BB to work with Chalk-elec 10" Touchscreen
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  • [19:10:51] <CareBear\> Scud : it is impossible to say anything unless you provide all details about what is going wrong
  • [19:11:19] <CareBear\> Scud : the internet can not magically appear on your workbench and debug the problem for you - you have to do that on your own :)
  • [19:11:54] <mru> really? what's it good for then?
  • [19:12:02] <Scud> touche
  • [19:13:14] <Scud> well, the 10" is recognized and i can use as mouse on my win 7 pc. What I need to do is recompile the kernel on BB to use the 10"
  • [19:13:24] <mru> what interface does it use?
  • [19:13:56] <Scud> n-trig duosense, that what you refering to?
  • [19:14:51] <Scud> http://www.chalk-elec.com/?p=1592
  • [19:15:49] <Scud> i am trying to get it going with Angstrom, initially. I will then apply to the Android ICS build I have
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  • [19:21:47] <agmlego> .c
  • [19:21:59] <mru> .o
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  • [19:27:40] <_av500_> .d
  • [19:29:32] <Scud> ?
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  • [19:29:40] <_av500_> unrelated
  • [19:29:56] <mru> to what?
  • [19:30:02] <_av500_> Scud: well, you need to tell the linux kernel that you have an lcd connected
  • [19:30:10] <_av500_> and provide .e.g the timing values
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  • [19:30:30] <_av500_> didnt the vendor provide you with that?
  • [19:30:38] <_av500_> given that they advertise BB support
  • [19:31:37] <Scud> thx av500. That's what I thought too. I changed the Uenv line. Do I need to add something into the kernel?
  • [19:32:46] <_av500_> you changed the line to what?
  • [19:33:52] <_av500_> eek, XML's 15th birthday
  • [19:34:03] <Scud> one sec
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  • [19:35:25] <Scud> dvimode="1024x600MR-32@60 mem=99M@0x80000000 mem=384M@0x88000000 omapfb.vram=0:12M,1:8M,2:4M"
  • [19:35:33] <Scud> http://harmoniccode.blogspot.com/2012/10/who-let-dogs-out.html
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  • [19:36:16] <_av500_> woof woof
  • [19:36:27] <Scud> haha
  • [19:42:44] <_av500_> wtf is /usr/bin/cpuType
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  • [19:43:16] <Scud> where?
  • [19:43:17] <mru> _av500_: unheard of
  • [19:43:49] <_av500_> some script it seems
  • [19:43:51] <Scud> oh, ic
  • [19:43:57] <_av500_> that one must sed around in to make sgx work
  • [19:44:14] <woglinde> sed?
  • [19:44:22] <_av500_> Scud: again, what instructions did the vendor give you?
  • [19:44:25] <woglinde> pico
  • [19:44:28] <mru> woglinde: an editor written before you were born
  • [19:44:30] <_av500_> woglinde: see above url
  • [19:44:44] <woglinde> a500 cpuType?
  • [19:44:52] <_av500_> woglinde: clikc on link, read
  • [19:44:54] <Scud> yeah, the webpage for how to...
  • [19:45:34] <_av500_> drum roll
  • [19:45:44] <woglinde> hehe javafx
  • [19:45:57] <_av500_> woglinde: yes, its for you
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  • [19:46:11] <Scud> cputype must be the OMAP3530
  • [19:46:19] <_av500_> thats for sgx
  • [19:46:27] <_av500_> not to get your display to work
  • [19:46:32] <_av500_> Scud: again, what instructions did the vendor give you?
  • [19:46:34] <Scud> ah
  • [19:46:42] <Scud> none
  • [19:46:49] <_av500_> you bought a display from a vendor that says beagle is supported
  • [19:46:52] <_av500_> ah
  • [19:47:08] <woglinde> av500 if I remeber correctly cpuType was for the sgx foo
  • [19:47:21] <_av500_> woglinde: yes, I said that :)
  • [19:48:10] <woglinde> so he needs to compile the timings in
  • [19:48:18] <Scud> :-/ ...there is much on the page re: get it to work and other resources but, im having issues recompiling kernel with correct info
  • [19:48:39] <Scud> right, woglinde
  • [19:48:56] <woglinde> because of lack of ddc
  • [19:49:16] <woglinde> so download the sdk
  • [19:49:19] <woglinde> and recompile it
  • [19:49:47] <woglinde> ah not ddc edid
  • [19:49:50] <woglinde> it was
  • [19:50:26] <woglinde> but first you need the timings
  • [19:50:31] <Scud> i have other PC with backtrack 5, the source kernel sourcery...just mucho roadblockage
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  • [19:55:23] <woglinde> what is backtrack 5?
  • [19:56:03] <dm8tbr> a distribution
  • [19:56:09] <Scud> yeah
  • [19:57:00] <mru> I'm thinking of installing linux on a pc, but which distribution should I use, gaussian or poisson?
  • [19:57:08] <Scud> what I need to know is how, where to decompile the kernel. Trying to educate myself in linux
  • [19:57:11] <dm8tbr> mru: normal
  • [19:57:46] <dm8tbr> meh, that's gauss apparently...
  • [19:59:02] <Scud> pardon my noob self all
  • [19:59:45] <woglinde> decompile?
  • [19:59:50] <woglinde> you have the source
  • [20:00:00] <mru> hopefully
  • [20:00:05] <Scud> yes
  • [20:01:45] <Scud> rootfs.tar.bz2 can't seem to open though
  • [20:02:46] <woglinde> thats the rootfs
  • [20:02:50] <woglinde> not the kernel source
  • [20:03:09] <woglinde> did you try to change your uenv.txt?
  • [20:03:27] <Scud> also have kernel from https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel
  • [20:03:48] <Scud> used wget but can't find file atm
  • [20:05:37] <Scud> ok, got it again, changed dir for dl. now that I have source...?
  • [20:06:11] <Scud> open with note?
  • [20:07:22] <woglinde> wget?
  • [20:07:27] <woglinde> you need git
  • [20:07:38] <mru> wgit?
  • [20:07:40] <woglinde> seems you have to learn a lot
  • [20:07:49] <woglinde> before you will have sime results
  • [20:08:03] <woglinde> try first to change your uenv.txt
  • [20:08:41] <Scud> wget got me the download. is it not the same as git? I changed unev no results
  • [20:09:07] <woglinde> if you downloaded the right file
  • [20:09:22] <_av500_> Scud: sorry, this is way out of your league
  • [20:09:35] <woglinde> scud did you check with dmesg | grep cmdline
  • [20:09:46] <woglinde> on the beagle
  • [20:10:05] <Scud> i can follow along, i'll admit it is a bit above me but im not total noob
  • [20:10:31] <CareBear\> Scud : you'll need to spend some time learning linux
  • [20:10:39] <mru> Scud: leave that judgement to others
  • [20:11:15] <Scud> wo: dmesg, I have not gotten to that point.
  • [20:11:28] <CareBear\> Scud : an embedded system like the beagle isn't a very helpful environment for learning linux, so I suggest that you pause the embedded project and spend a few months on learning linux on a regular pc
  • [20:11:59] <CareBear\> Scud : as a bonus, you will then have a linux system that you know pretty well, which helps when you want to produce things for the linux system on the beagle
  • [20:12:35] <CareBear\> Scud : if you want to learn the most about linux then work through installing a Linux From Scratch system
  • [20:13:04] <CareBear\> a couple months full time is reasonable for that if you are a good learner
  • [20:13:25] <Scud> mru: i get that, just trying to get some guidance. My boss gave me this project and i just need to be able to decompile the kernel add what i need and recomp it.
  • [20:13:51] <mru> that's not how it works
  • [20:15:18] <CareBear\> Scud : "decompile" suggests that you have fairly little experience with programming, that's a whole other discipline which you really need to learn before you can accomplish much with any embedded system
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  • [20:15:38] <CareBear\> Scud : it looks like you're the wrong person for the job
  • [20:15:56] <CareBear\> Scud : I don't expect that your boss wants to wait a year for you to educate yourself before delivering
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  • [20:17:15] <Scud> understood all, sometimes gotta hit the ground running though...especially in a day where a job is not easy to come by and advancing is more difficult
  • [20:17:54] * mru never saw that place/time
  • [20:18:55] <Scud> some resources on how to decompile a kernel would be helpful. if I fudge it up then its on me. if i succeed, I will be able to provide assistance to others like me
  • [20:19:46] <Scud> i have found armtool from toolchain. will that help?
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  • [20:21:33] <q2on> hi newbie here.. anyone using beagle to make their own tablet? curious where to source parts like a display, etc
  • [20:21:42] <CareBear\> Scud : no can do
  • [20:23:12] <CareBear\> Scud : you really need to climb the learning curve. there is no quick fix, and what you have in mind simply can not succeed
  • [20:23:27] <CareBear\> q2on : someone making a tablet doesn't want to use the beagle
  • [20:23:31] <Scud> ok Carebear. q2on: chalk-elec has LCD's they claim are useable with beagle, however, having issues getting it going (not building a tablet though)
  • [20:23:41] <q2on> CareBear\: what would you suggest?
  • [20:23:52] <q2on> Scud: hm okay
  • [20:23:58] <CareBear\> q2on : why do you ask?
  • [20:24:20] <woglinde> a2on look at touchbook http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/
  • [20:24:23] <q2on> interested in hooking up a touch display to custom hardware for fun :)
  • [20:24:48] <q2on> woglinde: thanks
  • [20:25:08] <Scud> Carebear: I'll get back with you when I get it going. hoped for help here all...
  • [20:25:08] <q2on> I'd like to build it though rather than purchase prebuilt
  • [20:25:23] <woglinde> scud we give you all help
  • [20:25:34] <woglinde> ask your supllier for help
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  • [20:25:43] <woglinde> if you want it faster
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  • [20:26:18] <Scud> the suggestions are appreciated wo and care, etc. If/when i progress I will return
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  • [20:27:07] <mru> whew
  • [20:27:13] <woglinde> mru?
  • [20:27:30] <mru> sometimes it's better if they just leave...
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  • [20:28:00] <mru> this guy clearly had no clue at all what he was doing
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  • [20:50:49] <_av500_> mru: decompilin' a kernel cant be that hard, all you need is pen and paper
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  • [20:53:13] <dm8tbr> _av500_: would DT help here?
  • [20:54:58] <_av500_> omg, HTML%5 is so much better than Flash: http://tiamat.tsotech.com/surface-pro-tip
  • [20:55:02] <_av500_> NOT!!!!
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  • [20:55:08] <_av500_> what an asshole
  • [20:55:27] <_av500_> if I wanted to have a website distract me with spinning circles, I would time travel back 10 years
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  • [20:58:02] <dm8tbr> _av500_: in japan, geocities still exists
  • [20:59:26] <_av500_> i know
  • [21:00:24] <mru> and then there's http://www.textfiles.com/underconstruction/
  • [21:00:24] <woglinde> in japan 90% have yahoo is first browser site
  • [21:00:28] <woglinde> as
  • [21:00:48] <dm8tbr> but yeah, the guy needs som intensive treatment. maybe force-feeding fphover for a couple of weeks
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  • [21:03:43] <_av500_> sit him in front of <blink> for a week
  • [21:04:07] <dm8tbr> with <marquee>
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  • [21:05:22] <_av500_> yes
  • [21:05:51] <Russ> bah, what game was this from http://www.textfiles.com/underconstruction/AtAthensOracle8165construct.gif ?
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  • [21:43:55] <nfuw> what is l4 core?
  • [21:44:19] <mru> never heard of it
  • [21:45:35] <nfuw> 0x4800 0000 is address of L4-core. and on example codes, mmap(NULL, 0x10000, PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, fd, 0x48000000); is used
  • [21:45:56] <nfuw> I wonder why it is mapped to that address for GPIO pin muxing on beagleboard
  • [21:46:03] <mru> oh, you're talking about the interconnect
  • [21:46:29] <mru> it is at that address because the chip designers put it there
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  • [21:51:08] <CareBear\> nfuw : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L4_microkernel_family
  • [21:51:25] <mru> CareBear\: I don't think that's what he's talking about
  • [21:51:47] <CareBear\> I don't know
  • [21:52:20] <mru> well, he mentioned 0x480000000
  • [21:52:35] <mru> -0
  • [21:52:46] <mru> which is the address of the L4 interconnect
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  • [21:58:12] <CareBear\> oh that kind of core
  • [21:58:15] <CareBear\> yes makes sense
  • [22:00:00] <mru> core here might be referring to power domains
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  • [23:22:13] <nfuw> http://x4350.blogspot.se/2011/01/digital-io-on-beagleboard-using-gpio.html uses "pinconf = (ulong*) mmap(NULL, 0x10000, PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, fd, 0x48000000); // set lower 16 pins to GPIO bank5; pinconf[0x2158/4] = 0x00040004;" what is the purpose of /4 on pinconf[0x2158/4]?
  • [23:23:46] <nfuw> I can see that /4 removes two least significant bits of the hex value. what is the purpose of it?
  • [23:26:25] <Russ> changing register offset to pin number
  • [23:26:34] <Russ> register size is 4
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  • [23:41:41] <mranostay> hi
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  • [23:42:13] <mru> who let him in?
  • [23:42:29] <mranostay> me?
  • [23:43:05] <mru> yeah
  • [23:44:14] <mranostay> no love from mru today
  • [23:44:26] * mru does not believe in love
  • [23:47:50] <nfuw> Russ: I want to use GPT9_PWMEVT, its physical address is lower 16 bit of 0x2174, why it is used pinconf[0x2174/4]=0x0000001A instead of pinconf[0x2174]=0x0000001A?
  • [23:48:49] <mranostay> what are we doing here?
  • [23:49:04] <nfuw> I could not get how 0x85D (=0x2174 / 4) refers to lower 16 bit of 0x2174 offset?
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