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  • [00:14:03] <prpplague> mranostay: yea not sure exactly where or when yet
  • [00:14:04] <prpplague> mranostay: just the whole thing is stressing me out
  • [00:14:04] <prpplague> just sad to see all that hard work with the pandaboard slip away
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  • [00:29:50] <thurbad> ;(
  • [00:30:21] <mranostay> everyone group hug for prpplague
  • [00:31:50] <thurbad> I never even got a chance to squeeze a pandaboard out of my company for dev purposes ~.~
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  • [00:35:03] <mranostay> thurbad: firesale!
  • [00:35:18] <thurbad> heh
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  • [00:39:43] <thurbad> how fast will angstrom run on the pandaboard es?
  • [00:40:37] <thurbad> digikey says 1.2GHz, but I thought the non-es used to run faster than that
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  • [00:50:30] <prpplague> thurbad: regular panda is 1GHz, with the correct kernel patches panda-es can do 1.6GHz
  • [00:50:48] <prpplague> (and a heat sink)
  • [00:51:09] <thurbad> ah.. so I was wrong... but not completely :P
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  • [01:49:54] <mranostay> prpplague: like a r-pi heatsink :)
  • [01:50:04] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [01:51:42] <mranostay> prpplague: those people remind me of the guys that rice their Honda's :)
  • [01:51:57] <prpplague> hehe
  • [01:52:01] <prpplague> indeed
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  • [01:53:44] <mranostay> will that be as big as my apartment?
  • [01:54:03] <thurbad> lol, probably not ,but it'll run hot
  • [01:54:13] <ds2> I donno how big of an apt u have ;)
  • [01:57:08] <prpplague> hmm
  • [01:57:46] <prpplague> i was going to study up for some interview questions, but ended up doing video editing for my daughters spanish project :(
  • [01:58:36] <mranostay> prpplague: http://xkcd.com/1134/
  • [01:59:24] <prpplague> mranostay: plenty good reasoning
  • [01:59:48] <mranostay> they don't really like that in interviews
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  • [02:10:25] <mph_> back.. did i miss anything useful.
  • [02:11:02] <mranostay> we cured cancer
  • [02:12:50] <mph_> nice, you can solve a real problem now
  • [02:14:04] <thurbad> and all it took was some PRU code :P
  • [02:14:17] <mph_> robclarck: thanks for the really useful scripts which helped me no end getting my beagle up and runnning.
  • [02:14:45] <mranostay> you can tab complete nicks you know right? :)
  • [02:15:17] <mph_> mranostay: but then my fingers get tired.
  • [02:15:26] <mph_> becuase they are being lazy
  • [02:16:06] <mph_> so, let me say again.
  • [02:16:15] <mph_> robclark: thanks for the really useful scripts..
  • [02:16:40] <mph_> mranostay: how much are the parts for a gieger counter
  • [02:17:12] <mph_> if you could get a few thousand of them out there, reporting back to a central database.
  • [02:17:22] <mph_> you coudl have the global radiation picture.
  • [02:19:05] <mranostay> not sure the total BOM cost of the new rev
  • [02:19:19] <mph_> can you hazard a guess?
  • [02:19:25] <mranostay> probably no more than $15-20 in low volumes
  • [02:19:41] <mph_> oh, thats less than i had imagined
  • [02:19:50] <mph_> is the sensor quite low cost?
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  • [02:22:43] <mranostay> no the tube i'm using is $70
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  • [02:22:57] <mranostay> you can get cheap old soviet stock for $20
  • [02:23:30] <mph_> i got a bargin on a box of 16GB micro SD cards, Sandisk Class 10
  • [02:23:36] <mph_> $11 each
  • [02:23:43] <mph_> i thought that was quite good
  • [02:24:46] <alan_o> prpplague: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/interview_questions
  • [02:25:43] <mranostay> alan_o: i love the weakness one
  • [02:26:16] <alan_o> hehe
  • [02:26:45] <mranostay> it is a trap!
  • [02:27:09] <mranostay> it is a like a question your girlfriend would ask about something
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  • [02:29:08] <mph_> sigh..
  • [02:29:37] <mph_> when i used to work for some mindless brainsucking multinational IT company.. i got in trouble for not asking those kind of stupid questons.
  • [02:29:44] <mph_> i had to go to the HR department.
  • [02:29:51] <mph_> and get a talking to..
  • [02:38:06] <mranostay> i hate the hardest challenge one as well
  • [02:39:45] <mranostay> actually i hate all those questions
  • [02:40:15] <mranostay> 5 years in the valley is a fun one... since i can almost assure you 70% of people don't stay at a company 5 years here :)
  • [02:48:26] <mph_> the only way to get a real payrise, is to company hop
  • [02:48:38] <mph_> once youre in a place, no one can see your increased value.
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  • [03:21:40] <Russ> took out an old flash drive, and found awesome image corruption
  • [03:21:43] <Russ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/8340627986
  • [03:24:19] <thurbad> gotta love JPEGs
  • [03:25:03] <thurbad> that stuff used to happen all the time back in the binary usenet days
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  • [03:40:30] <mph_> ? for anyone who has some kind of experience on this.. how much impact can the type/size of SD card have on the general operation of the beagle
  • [03:41:03] <mph_> is it worth putting in class 10 cards, rather than class 4
  • [03:41:07] <mph_> etc?
  • [03:42:02] <thurbad> depends on the card, there's really no rating board that verifies ratings
  • [03:42:31] <mph_> i ahve put some SanDisk class 10 16GB cards in mine
  • [03:42:49] <thurbad> I've had samsung class 4's with high burst rates perform better than class 10's
  • [03:43:24] <mph_> i'm probably more interested in relibliity than speed in teh end though.
  • [03:43:44] <ds2> hmmm what happened to the master troll?
  • [03:43:51] <thurbad> even name brand class 10's like patriot sometimes barely live up to the class 10 name
  • [03:44:27] <thurbad> haven't seen mru since before christmas, if that's who you mean
  • [03:44:57] <thurbad> san disk is a pretty reputable sd vendor
  • [03:45:17] <ds2> san disk is what I have the most trouble with
  • [03:45:22] <mph_> lol.
  • [03:45:25] <thurbad> their ultra lines are wasted on a beagle though
  • [03:45:40] <thurbad> ds2, speed wise?
  • [03:46:13] <ds2> no
  • [03:46:16] <ds2> just working
  • [03:46:30] <ds2> most generic ones have less issues (except for the one shipped with the xMs of course)
  • [03:46:58] <thurbad> we had some cards that we bought early on that would corrupt themselves after running for just a couple of hours... wasted investmentthere
  • [03:47:12] <ds2> I have seen that on sandisks
  • [03:48:04] <ds2> to be fair to san disk, I did not bother verifying they were genuine...
  • [03:48:19] <thurbad> sandisk tends to be pricey too
  • [03:48:32] <thurbad> I've never had issue with the onesI bought though
  • [03:48:51] <ds2> did you get it from a store?
  • [03:48:56] <thurbad> yes
  • [03:48:58] <ds2> or a amazon vendor?
  • [03:50:19] <thurbad> best buy, I almost never go there.. but had to do some one-off comparisons
  • [03:50:47] <thurbad> the card I bought booted in about 23 seconds, ournormal boot time is about 32
  • [03:51:36] <thurbad> and the patriots weren't worth noting the boot time because they stuttered at video playback
  • [03:52:37] <thurbad> when tested the patriots did meet 10MB/s write speeds that should be the basis for a class 10 rating
  • [03:52:41] <thurbad> didn't
  • [03:54:21] <thurbad> our standard cards usually clock in at about 18 read 15 write
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  • [03:54:45] <thurbad> that's doing dd on the whole 8GB image with 512kB blocksizes
  • [03:55:50] <thurbad> so not a very scientific approach for measuring speed, but good for stress testing
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  • [04:08:24] <prpplague> jkridner1: HA, i knew that Wii NunChuck contest that TCT did would come in handy some day!
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  • [05:40:37] <snowrichard> hi
  • [05:40:44] <woglinde> hi
  • [05:41:46] <snowrichard> i am going to go to oklahoma tommorrow
  • [05:42:04] <snowrichard> i want to move up there
  • [05:42:59] <snowrichard> more on topic i've not fired up the beagle board in a while since I oot my propeller/hydra system
  • [05:43:16] <Russ> so you just woke up this morning and said, I think I'll move to oklahoma?
  • [05:43:47] <woglinde> hm I woke up and couldnt slepp
  • [05:43:51] <snowrichard> no i got a friend lives there and i had been there to visit
  • [05:45:31] <snowrichard> i have to come in here on the webchat gateway because freenode won't let me log in with my verizon ip...sasl auth needed it says
  • [05:45:57] <snowrichard> or att for that matter
  • [05:46:00] <snowrichard> i'm on the att now
  • [05:46:36] <Russ> dunno why they have sasl setup that way
  • [05:46:54] <Russ> are cell phone data users really their biggest hackers?
  • [05:47:12] <snowrichard> there were supposed to be perl script to set that up properly in xchat
  • [05:47:20] <Russ> there is, I use it
  • [05:48:21] <Russ> what sucks is if you are sasl blocked, you are also http blocked from xchat.org
  • [05:48:30] <Russ> where they have the information on how to use sasl
  • [05:48:41] <snowrichard> really ok
  • [05:49:01] <snowrichard> ya can't get there from here
  • [05:49:08] <mranostay> Russ: according to my aunt OK is doing it OK
  • [05:49:25] <Russ> er, make that freenode.org
  • [05:49:33] <Russ> OK
  • [05:50:05] <snowrichard> i just set up a new wiki today
  • [05:51:07] <snowrichard> going to have forums about the propeller and hydra parallax.com for more info on the hardware
  • [05:53:14] <snowrichard> i'll be able to get DSL in oklahoma, i'm on 3g or 4g here if they ever get my router back to me
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  • [05:59:58] <mranostay> geez what is with this channel? :)
  • [06:01:56] <woglinde> ?
  • [06:04:52] <Russ> it must be a nesting period for people
  • [06:05:03] <Russ> can we have the isp talk again?
  • [06:05:15] <Russ> maybe the cost of living discussion?
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  • [06:09:14] <emeb_mac> at least the talk isn't all about boring computer stuff.
  • [06:09:24] <ka6sox> emeb_mac, +1
  • [06:10:52] <ka6sox> I always like the references to things that are somewhere in G+ or elsewhere that we have to ferret out :P
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  • [06:25:19] <mranostay> we never talk computer stuff here :)
  • [06:36:44] <woglinde> so its time to get up
  • [06:37:13] <woglinde> till later
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  • [07:21:11] <mranostay> woglinde: wb
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  • [07:25:36] <woglinde> yes
  • [07:25:52] <woglinde> now I am sleepy tired
  • [07:26:37] <ka6sox> woglinde, its morning there...why you sleepy tired? thats what I should be!
  • [07:27:00] <woglinde> ka6sox look in the logs when I waked up
  • [07:27:10] <woglinde> was 5 a.m. here
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  • [07:27:30] <woglinde> woke up even
  • [07:27:48] <Russ> hello fellow fioser!
  • [07:28:16] <ka6sox> woglinde, too darned early
  • [07:28:26] <mranostay> so wonders if can do a ham radio test hungover
  • [07:28:36] <woglinde> ham
  • [07:28:37] <woglinde> hm
  • [07:28:41] <woglinde> so eggs
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  • [07:30:46] <mranostay> yeah 8a at a firestation.. saturday..
  • [07:31:02] <ka6sox> mranostay, I did
  • [07:31:32] <ka6sox> lessee..that was 1984
  • [07:31:35] <mranostay> because judging by FB status i have to go out Friday.. at 90% sure
  • [07:31:42] <mranostay> ka6sox: wasn't even born :)
  • [07:31:52] <emeb_mac> whippersnapper
  • [07:32:47] <Russ> mranostay, you have 3 days to sober up
  • [07:32:53] <Russ> how much have you been drinking?
  • [07:33:03] <woglinde> hm I remember there was signal for strike with atom weapons
  • [07:33:19] <ka6sox> ... --- ...
  • [07:33:24] <dm8tbr> mranostay: depends which class you're aiming at :)
  • [07:33:28] <mranostay> Russ: no mean i'll be drunk friday :)
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  • [07:34:02] <mranostay> ka6sox: don't have to know CW.. whew
  • [07:34:10] <ka6sox> I gotta find that Spoof of Space:1899
  • [07:34:23] <ka6sox> mranostay, I had to learn it...
  • [07:34:29] <mranostay> yeah bummer
  • [07:35:33] <ka6sox> mranostay, I met my wife @ a Field Day Event...
  • [07:35:33] <mranostay> dm8tbr: just tech
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  • [07:36:21] <mranostay> ka6sox: as nerdy as you?
  • [07:36:58] <ka6sox> no, not really...she is a HR Person...
  • [07:37:25] <dm8tbr> mranostay: ah, tech... I guess even I could take that, without preparation and while drunk ;)
  • [07:37:32] <ka6sox> mranostay, if my 10yr old can pass the test...YOU CAN...
  • [07:37:56] <ka6sox> are YOU smarter than a 5th grader?
  • [07:38:00] <Russ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space:_1889
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  • [07:39:07] <ka6sox> Russ someone posted a mashup done in 1899 silent movie style...
  • [07:39:09] <ka6sox> it was great.
  • [07:39:10] <mranostay> ka6sox: how about a drunk 10 year old?
  • [07:39:33] <ka6sox> mranostay, we don't let him stay up past 10pm.
  • [07:39:58] <mranostay> that doesn't answer my question
  • [07:41:21] <ka6sox> well...he passed with missing 2 questions...and I guess he was sober....his old man was!
  • [07:41:24] <ka6sox> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ooo1m9A4S4Y
  • [07:41:30] <ka6sox> russ ^^
  • [07:41:43] <mranostay> ka6sox: only need 26 of 35 right?
  • [07:42:09] <mranostay> if i don't nail every "EE" related one i should just be fired :)
  • [07:43:46] <Russ> I really like the space 1889 concept, wonder if the books are any good
  • [07:44:12] <woglinde> multiple choice?
  • [07:44:58] <ka6sox> woglinde, ya
  • [07:45:04] <ka6sox> all multiple guess
  • [07:45:49] <Russ> I think the youtube video should victorianize the lines a bit
  • [07:46:01] <ka6sox> ya
  • [07:46:29] <Russ> as seen here http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2247#comic
  • [07:46:31] <ka6sox> I'll have to add Maya to the list of Server Names...forgot about that one
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  • [07:49:31] <Russ> already on my list of dog names http://i.imgur.com/0OsHq.png
  • [07:49:53] <ka6sox> dm8tbr, are you able to use the HF bands?
  • [07:50:35] <ka6sox> is that Mulan in the background?
  • [07:50:54] <Russ> 'you can have his job'
  • [07:51:31] <ka6sox> Mtn High has been making snow...I keep seeing great conditions for snowboarding
  • [07:52:46] <Russ> looked like it already had quite a bit of snow
  • [07:52:54] <ka6sox> http://www.airsites2000.com/
  • [07:54:30] <ka6sox> Blue Ridge is 25.4F
  • [07:56:01] <ka6sox> I can't ski any more...so I'm going to try snowboarding
  • [07:57:15] <ka6sox> I think that camera server is a DM37XX
  • [07:57:26] <woglinde> haha
  • [07:57:36] <thurbad> that's what I thought, and the first couple of days on a snowboard went well... then I tried a real run :(
  • [07:57:41] <woglinde> ka6sox why you cannt ski?
  • [07:58:38] <thurbad> snowboarding was easier on my ankles... not so much on my hips
  • [07:58:56] <ka6sox> Knees are shot
  • [07:59:14] <thurbad> both are hard on knees
  • [07:59:59] <dm8tbr> ka6sox: fully licensed by now. CEPT2 got levelled with CEPT1. so I'm free to jam all amateur radio bands
  • [08:01:26] <ka6sox> dm8tbr, w00h00!
  • [08:01:36] <ka6sox> so am I ...ended up with an Extra along the way
  • [08:01:48] <ka6sox> thurbad, bad to hear
  • [08:01:57] <ka6sox> I was hoping to still get out there.
  • [08:06:15] <ka6sox> well..there is always this: http://www.shroombob.com/SkiBob_-_Ski_Bike/skibike-home_files/tahoe-4%3A08%2816%29_1.JPG
  • [08:08:08] <thurbad> snowboarding is a little different on the knees, I guess it's more a quad workout and less side to side flex
  • [08:08:29] <mranostay> must not buy this pancake geiger tube
  • [08:08:42] <Russ> it calls
  • [08:09:01] <thurbad> I'll tell you what calls... my bed :P
  • [08:10:34] <mranostay> Russ: you aren't helping
  • [08:13:42] <Russ> the telltale click
  • [08:14:15] <woglinde> lool
  • [08:15:29] <Russ> TEAR UP THE PLANKS!
  • [08:16:46] <mranostay> damn enablers :)
  • [08:16:52] <ka6sox> mranostay, it wants you!
  • [08:17:16] <Russ> what would scare me is the desire to collect radioactive substances
  • [08:17:45] <ka6sox> his "shed" glows in the dark....
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  • [08:18:32] <Russ> you should plan a trip to havasupai to prospect
  • [08:19:09] <mranostay> did you know you can own up a 1 kg of depleted uranium legally?
  • [08:19:33] <Russ> don't see why not, it's less potent than the stuff you pull out of the ground
  • [08:19:42] <mranostay> yeah i know but people don't know that :P
  • [08:19:58] <ka6sox> mranostay, its still "warm" to the touch right
  • [08:20:06] <mranostay> thought of finding a small block for ELC demo
  • [08:20:16] <mranostay> my demo for both talks is going to be same
  • [08:20:26] <mranostay> well minus a PRU clock
  • [08:20:57] <ka6sox> nite
  • [08:20:58] <Russ> will any of your tubes detect the potassium in a banana?
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  • [08:21:36] <mranostay> yeah well i think the background will override it
  • [08:21:42] <Russ> figured
  • [08:21:44] <av500> moin
  • [08:21:56] <Russ> can you get someone to bring you something from fukashima?
  • [08:21:56] <dm8tbr> good moaning av500
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  • [08:22:43] <woglinde> he gm av500
  • [08:22:51] <mranostay> i've wanted to do a Pripyat trip
  • [08:23:13] <woglinde> do it
  • [08:23:18] <mranostay> need to drag along a russian friend so i do get robbed or sold into white slavery :)
  • [08:23:19] <dm8tbr> it shouldn't be too hard to order a test source within the US.
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  • [08:23:26] <mranostay> dm8tbr: i have several
  • [08:23:30] <ds2> mranostay: do we need to bring our own NBC suits and dosimeters?
  • [08:23:54] <mranostay> dm8tbr: have you not seen my youtube videos? :)
  • [08:24:29] <mranostay> i've learned opening a smoke detector is a gray area of legality.. but you'd have to arrest every science teacher in the US
  • [08:24:42] <dm8tbr> hehe
  • [08:24:53] <ds2> mranostay: u got old fiesta ware?
  • [08:25:01] <dm8tbr> I think I did watch them. Also I expected you to have those already.
  • [08:25:18] <mranostay> dm8tbr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hZubuBXoaY <-- in case you haven't
  • [08:25:44] * dm8tbr happily notes that his shiny new meta-watch works with his N950
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  • [08:26:06] <av500> thats not meta enough
  • [08:26:24] <dm8tbr> you'll have to watch it to be sure
  • [08:26:28] <woglinde> what is a meta-watch?
  • [08:26:42] <mranostay> dm8tbr: i'm thinking of making a neutron detector next :)
  • [08:26:54] <woglinde> meta-time?
  • [08:26:58] <woglinde> folded?
  • [08:27:07] <mranostay> i will not post any videos of testing that since that would ultra illegal :)
  • [08:27:07] <dm8tbr> woglinde: http://metawatch.myshopify.com/ - I got the 'frame'
  • [08:27:30] <dm8tbr> speaks BT and BLE
  • [08:28:11] <ds2> dm8tbr: is the N950 BLE?
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  • [08:28:42] <dm8tbr> ds2: I think the wl127x is capable, but not sure if there is a firmware to do it in the wild
  • [08:28:51] <mranostay> av500: you op'dom scares me
  • [08:29:09] <av500> mranostay: you keep saying that
  • [08:29:09] <ds2> dm8tbr: are you using it in BLE mode?
  • [08:29:14] <av500> ds2: its not
  • [08:29:27] <av500> dm8tbr: not all 1271 are
  • [08:29:31] <av500> only later silicon
  • [08:29:33] <dm8tbr> ds2: no, just regular SPP
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  • [08:29:45] <ds2> dm8tbr: what's ur watch battery life like?
  • [08:29:45] * koen yawns
  • [08:30:12] <woglinde> gm koen
  • [08:30:36] <av500> gm koen
  • [08:31:15] <dm8tbr> ds2: received the new one yesterday, so no idea. the analogue watch I was using so far was getting up to 5 days with bt off, about 2 with bt on; the movement is quite power hungry compared to the lcd in the new one
  • [08:31:18] <woglinde> dm8tbr and where is the killer feature?
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  • [08:32:17] <av500> woglinde: battery killer
  • [08:32:17] <dm8tbr> woglinde: I never miss a call/email/text-message/other-notification. it's impossible to ignore a vibrating wrist
  • [08:32:19] <av500> its a feature
  • [08:32:25] <woglinde> yes
  • [08:32:29] <woglinde> execellent
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  • [08:32:38] <av500> dm8tbr: do you get RSI if I ping you every second?
  • [08:32:46] <dm8tbr> :p
  • [08:33:37] <dm8tbr> av500: is there any way to tell if the wl127x is a ble capable silicon rev?
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  • [08:34:26] <mranostay> hi koen
  • [08:34:52] <av500> dm8tbr: driver source code should tell you
  • [08:35:24] <av500> there is a 4 bit field that is used to 2.2 encode revision
  • [08:35:31] <av500> like 3.20 :)
  • [08:35:34] <av500> ti magic
  • [08:36:28] <dm8tbr> I was kind of hoping the driver would print this to dmesg...
  • [08:36:42] <woglinde> fix the driver
  • [08:37:33] <av500> dm8tbr: maybe it does
  • [08:38:20] <mranostay> av500: black magic?
  • [08:38:30] <woglinde> vodoo
  • [08:38:48] <woglinde> bring out your puppets
  • [08:39:02] <mranostay> i don't have any puppets!!??
  • [08:39:29] <mranostay> av500: btw thanks for bring in the new year nicely :)
  • [08:41:04] <mranostay> jkridner1: hey Boris has a post that is sure to short out a bone :)
  • [08:41:34] <mranostay> unless the ds1307 does logic level shifting which i know it doesn't..
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  • [08:45:18] <av500> mranostay: I got told its too guys cliche
  • [08:45:28] <mranostay> who cares?
  • [08:45:32] <av500> :)
  • [08:45:40] <mranostay> that is what guys like i'm sorry
  • [08:46:04] <av500> yes, but I have a mixed audience :)
  • [08:46:18] <woglinde> *g*
  • [08:46:26] <woglinde> hm so what todo today
  • [08:46:32] <av500> yawn
  • [08:46:49] <av500> started that here and it does not look like I am stopping any time soon
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  • [08:47:03] <av500> 3 half days of snowbaording and I need rehab
  • [08:47:57] <woglinde> apres ski
  • [08:48:07] <av500> not so much
  • [08:48:13] <av500> $20: http://dx.com/p/u2-mini-android-4-0-network-multi-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-black-4gb-ddr-iii-1gb-145864
  • [08:48:15] <woglinde> thats the error
  • [08:48:24] <av500> you get 5GHz for the price of a Bone
  • [08:49:14] <woglinde> allwinner
  • [08:49:19] <woglinde> again
  • [08:49:21] <mranostay> allsleeper
  • [08:49:26] * mranostay nods off
  • [08:49:29] <av500> woglinde: yes, its a winner
  • [08:50:07] <woglinde> av500 where do you see 5 ghz?
  • [08:50:08] <Russ> does it have the codes?
  • [08:50:15] <woglinde> only b/g/n support
  • [08:51:18] <Russ> hmm..possibly bad sign, 'customers who bought this item also bought' 'breathalyzer keychain'
  • [08:51:23] <woglinde> or did you mean 1.5 ghz
  • [08:51:24] <av500> woglinde: 5x$20 = 1 Bone
  • [08:51:41] <av500> oh, its 1.5GHz
  • [08:51:48] <av500> so 7.5GHz in the end :)
  • [08:51:53] <Russ> 6.5
  • [08:52:16] <woglinde> lets make a rack
  • [08:52:37] <av500> yes
  • [08:53:28] <woglinde> with usbnet
  • [08:53:29] <woglinde> hjaha
  • [08:54:48] <mph_> boo!
  • [08:54:53] <mph_> did i scare ya?
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  • [08:56:52] <woglinde> whoooa
  • [08:56:54] <woglinde> nope
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  • [09:13:43] <panto> good morning fellow trolls
  • [09:14:51] <woglinde> gm panto
  • [09:14:55] <mph_> troll troll
  • [09:15:02] <panto> your boat
  • [09:15:16] <woglinde> boar?
  • [09:15:28] <panto> bear works too
  • [09:15:34] <panto> bear bear bear
  • [09:16:35] <mph_> is it safe to admit that you use a distro other than angstrom here?
  • [09:18:57] <woglinde> who?
  • [09:20:29] <av500> mph_: not really
  • [09:20:46] <mph_> lol.. even if it works nicely for you
  • [09:21:09] <mph_> :-)
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  • [09:22:41] <av500> so, admit it then
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  • [09:23:18] <mph_> i have 4 beagles, 3 running debian and 1 with the default
  • [09:37:31] <woglinde> and?
  • [09:38:27] <ynezz> is almost friday...
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  • [09:41:56] <woglinde> maybee
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  • [10:47:52] <aholler_> av500: so the documentation is worth $50
  • [10:50:57] <aholler_> besides that I assume those allwinner devices are illegal in most countries because of missing licences for hdmi and similiar.
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  • [10:53:37] <tasslehoff> I have an 800x600@60Hz mode that works. When I try to use the same register settings in u-boot, my display cries out about the signal being out of range. Should just be a matter of letting the u-boot panel_config use the same settings dispc.c does?
  • [10:54:01] <tasslehoff> The default timings in beagle.h makes my display happy
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  • [11:05:44] <av500> tasslehoff: same timing should have same result
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  • [11:08:48] <tasslehoff> av500: yep. must hunt ghosts in the machine then.
  • [11:09:09] <aholler_> maybe different clocks
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  • [11:19:14] <av500> tasslehoff: check the clocks
  • [11:19:24] <av500> if you have a scope, check the pixel clock
  • [11:19:32] <av500> or dump DSS regs and compare
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  • [11:26:48] <tasslehoff> av500: yep.
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  • [11:31:48] <av500> aholler_: you are back here :)
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  • [11:40:08] <aholler_> just for curiosity ;)
  • [11:40:50] <aholler_> or :(
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  • [11:44:02] <tasslehoff> pixel clock 72MHz in u-boot, 40MHz in !u-boot. details, details...
  • [11:45:15] <aholler_> don't know how I have to judge the demise of the omaps.
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  • [11:54:58] * tasslehoff wants an online calculator for dss timings / register values
  • [11:54:58] <aholler_> maybe everything will become better with sitara chips. at least for non-tablets or phones.
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  • [11:57:51] <aholler_> or keystone
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  • [11:59:36] <aholler_> I wonder what are the differences between omapand sitara/keystone, besides the name ;)
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  • [12:08:53] <aholler_> (and ti's internal departments)
  • [12:12:26] <aholler_> maybe just the availability in low quantities and samples
  • [12:12:34] <aholler_> ;)
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  • [12:56:21] <mdp> hrm, beowulf cluster of U2s
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  • [13:11:04] <bradfa> mdp, beowulf cluster of spy planes?
  • [13:11:18] <mdp> yes
  • [13:11:26] <mdp> hammer of the gods
  • [13:11:32] <bradfa> mph__, shh, I don't run Angstrom either
  • [13:11:40] <mdp> I run Linux
  • [13:11:46] <bradfa> mdp, not Ubuntu?
  • [13:12:00] <mdp> aholler_: I know the answer!
  • [13:12:17] <mdp> bradfa: I am Ubuntu-enabled too
  • [13:12:33] <aholler_> mdp: I wouldn't have thought that ;)
  • [13:12:50] <bradfa> mdp, so going to the dark side, eh?
  • [13:12:52] <mdp> aholler_: omap didn't go anywhere ;)
  • [13:13:04] <bradfa> mdp, next we'll see you in #raspberrypi and writing kernel code for Broadcom, eh?
  • [13:13:13] <mdp> bradfa, I've always run debian->ubuntu
  • [13:13:26] <mdp> bradfa, just not with mark's crazy UI
  • [13:13:33] <aholler_> mdp: for which meaning of "go"?
  • [13:13:47] <bradfa> mdp, error: pointers don't work that way
  • [13:14:21] * bradfa runs with -Wextra -Werror
  • [13:14:27] <mdp> aholler_: without going to crazy..I think it's safe to summarize the difference between sitara/omap/keystone as "they are all different purpose built SoCs"
  • [13:14:35] <mdp> it's not just a name
  • [13:15:45] <bradfa> what's in a name?
  • [13:15:53] <mdp> e.g. am335x can do things that omap5 cannot...and vice versa
  • [13:16:08] <bradfa> like have an Ethernet MAC
  • [13:16:15] <aholler_> sure
  • [13:16:29] <mdp> think more like industrial protocols too
  • [13:16:34] <mdp> but sure
  • [13:17:00] <mdp> forget all the marketing names that blur the common technical heritage
  • [13:17:04] <bradfa> aholler_, are omaps really in demise now?
  • [13:17:44] <aholler_> I don't know, as an non-internal I only receive rumors from the web
  • [13:18:04] <bradfa> aholler_, the omap demise rumor hasn't been on the web for a while, seems to not want to come true
  • [13:18:06] <mdp> aholler_: I find it amusing when people say they are in demise while we are making new OMAP parts and have a linux team to write code for them.
  • [13:18:10] <bradfa> s/hasn't/has/
  • [13:18:41] <mdp> I know I'm going to be spending more time on OMAP RSN
  • [13:18:55] <bradfa> mdp, tizen phone?
  • [13:19:15] <mdp> bradfa, "We've already got one!"
  • [13:19:33] <bradfa> mdp, if TI makes a boottogecko phone, I'll buy one
  • [13:19:41] <aholler_> I thought those 1.700 less people gave those rumors some substance.
  • [13:19:45] <bradfa> currently rocking an early 2000s Nokia
  • [13:19:49] <mdp> think Jacinto5
  • [13:20:19] <dm8tbr> funny how people think TI would 'make a phone' while all they produce are SoCs
  • [13:20:32] <mdp> aholler_: it takes a lot of people just to make the latest mobile phone soc and write all the s/w for the oems
  • [13:20:57] <bradfa> dm8tbr, it's figurative
  • [13:21:02] <thurbad> my understanding is that omap is specifically the "mobile" chip line
  • [13:21:07] <aholler_> but on the other side, the kernel-development for omaps/sitara/keystone might become more stable without several hundred people feeding patches
  • [13:21:14] <bradfa> mdp, I missed Jacinto5 news, good to see TI getting wins
  • [13:21:21] <mdp> dm8tbr: they do far more than just make an SoC...as do most/all semis for some time
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  • [13:21:42] <mdp> otherwise there wouldn't be s/w people here
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  • [13:21:52] <dm8tbr> mdp: sure, still not a 'customer product' :)
  • [13:22:05] <mdp> we can sell you a calculator!
  • [13:22:17] <bradfa> mdp, hmmm
  • [13:22:20] <mdp> omap5430 powered speak and spell?
  • [13:22:27] <bradfa> mdp, z80 calculator?
  • [13:22:34] <mdp> PRUcalc
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  • [13:23:02] <aholler_> I'm thinking about buying a CC2541DK-SENSOR ;)
  • [13:23:18] <bradfa> mdp, my wife's a math teacher, she's fond of http://xkcd.com/768/
  • [13:23:54] <mdp> aholler_: buy 20M units..send my babies to college :)
  • [13:24:22] <aholler_> no chance as I have to write drivers for it
  • [13:24:23] <aholler_> ;)
  • [13:24:40] <aholler_> so I just would by work
  • [13:24:41] <mdp> we only sell the silicon! remember?!?
  • [13:24:46] <mdp> one trick pony
  • [13:24:56] <aholler_> as usual ;)
  • [13:25:30] <bradfa> mdp, TI: we sell silicon (now also with errata!)
  • [13:25:57] <aholler_> at least I haven't seen a bluetooth aware hid-sensors ;)
  • [13:26:20] <aholler_> but I think the necessary patches aren
  • [13:26:26] <aholler_> t that much
  • [13:26:27] <mdp> bradfa, unpossible...the silicon process has a testbench developed along with it...so there are no bugs
  • [13:26:35] <mdp> bradfa, unlike s/w best practices :)
  • [13:26:45] * bradfa rofl
  • [13:27:08] <mdp> bradfa, I was laughing about this the other day...how structured that process is and yet how poor the test bench vectors end up being regardless
  • [13:27:31] <mdp> it tell you there's little hope for s/w
  • [13:27:45] <mdp> coffee break..bbl
  • [13:27:50] <bradfa> mdp, my favorite errata from am335x are RTC doesn't work when only the RTC has power and that the NMIn interrupt logic is reversed
  • [13:29:45] <aholler_> use an usb-rtc ;)
  • [13:31:22] <aholler_> with 3.9 that might even be possible out of the box with mainline sources ;)
  • [13:32:25] <koen> bradfa: the suspend/resume and rtc stuff was rewritten and posted this week against 3.8rc1
  • [13:32:34] <koen> bradfa: maybe that will finally work :)
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  • [13:33:57] <koen> bradfa: aiui the 'A4' on my desk that arrived this week should have all the hwmod for 'rtc-only'
  • [13:34:16] <koen> bradfa: I'm led to believe you should have received a similar board :)
  • [13:35:41] <panto> koen, heh, is that the change? :)
  • [13:37:20] <koen> panto: I think so, I remember gerald talking about it earlier
  • [13:37:30] <koen> our hw guy is on vacation
  • [13:37:36] <koen> as is gerald
  • [13:46:59] <bradfa> koen, don't think gerald has sent mine yet, atleast I've not gotten it yet
  • [13:47:16] <bradfa> koen, but yes, I'm looking forward to subarctic updates to fix that, along with all the other changes :)
  • [13:49:57] <aholler_> btw. vaux2 (for beagle-usb) and a fix for the usb-muxing (conflict with serial) on beagles is still missing in mainline
  • [13:51:31] <aholler_> but I don't know if the none-bone-beagles are still supported.
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  • [13:55:17] <aholler_> and something else necessary for ehci in >3.2.x which I haven't found
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  • [14:03:19] <jkridner> koen: gerald is back.
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  • [14:12:28] <mdp> bradfa: the usb errata is my favorite. especially amusing when you get to see the email train on it
  • [14:13:18] <jacekowski> i get sometimes emails like that
  • [14:13:41] <jacekowski> that went through 20 people
  • [14:13:51] <jacekowski> and it takes 5 minutes to do the change requested
  • [14:13:54] <bradfa> koen, I can imagine :)
  • [14:13:59] <bradfa> thankfully, I don't use/like USB :)
  • [14:15:05] <aholler_> which is kinda hard if one has nothing else ;)
  • [14:19:44] <jkridner> mdp, koen, panto: is there an easier way to set panel timings than editing da8xx-fb.c?
  • [14:19:52] <jkridner> by easier, I mean run-time.
  • [14:19:57] <jkridner> or boot-time
  • [14:20:28] <aholler_> maybe dt
  • [14:21:32] <jkridner> the timings don't seem to have a dt binding...
  • [14:21:40] <jkridner> the dt bindings I see simply specify the panel.
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  • [14:22:24] <jkridner> I'm also wondering if someone has been able to try robclark's patches
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  • [14:23:07] <jkridner> koen: thanks for pulling in the chalk electronics patch.
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  • [14:24:50] <jkridner> I'm guessing I'll need to send a similar patch to get my motorola atrix lapdock working with an HDMI cape.
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  • [14:30:49] <panto> jkridnerdt can do that
  • [14:31:05] <panto> err, jkridner, can do that
  • [14:31:20] <jkridner> oh?
  • [14:31:27] <panto> I think there are panel bindings
  • [14:31:32] * panto looks
  • [14:32:16] * jkridner looks at https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1661661/
  • [14:32:43] <jkridner> guess I just need to see if I have that patch.
  • [14:32:52] <panto> yeah, that's it for da8xx
  • [14:33:01] <mdp> or move to the drm driver?
  • [14:33:15] <panto> the drm driver would be best
  • [14:34:46] <jkridner> drm driver isn't merged into http://github.com/beagleboard/kernel yet :(
  • [14:35:16] <jkridner> has anyone tried it yet?
  • [14:35:42] <mdp> robclark has
  • [14:35:42] <jkridner> I guess I could spend my time playing with it rather than merging in additional panel timings.
  • [14:35:53] <jkridner> anyone else?
  • [14:36:05] <jkridner> robclark: is it ready for me to try out?
  • [14:38:42] <aholler_> mdp: btw. I recently was asked about a soc for some industrial thing which can play videos (on a small lcd). (besides having usb & bluetooth). I couldn't give an answer what to use. I think the industrial users are currently having a hard time.
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  • [14:40:12] <aholler_> (in regard to buy 20M units) ;)
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  • [14:42:22] <aholler_> reminds me at times when they had a problem because simple vga-chips disappeared
  • [14:43:44] <panto> aholler_, the problem with industrial users is that they like to use cheap consumer devices, but they get upset when their cheap device either stops being produced or gets very expensive because the consumer has moved on
  • [14:44:53] <jkridner> can I assume https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1876741/ won't work with https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.7/patches/hdmi ?
  • [14:45:28] <jkridner> aholler_: isn't am335x a good fit for that?
  • [14:45:57] <aholler_> panto: hmm, they had to buy ti-dsps for $70 more than listed ;)
  • [14:46:49] <aholler_> some years ago when they were unavailable. so I don't think they want to buy only cheap consumer hw
  • [14:46:54] <panto> aholler_, so if they care they should do the right thing and design with non-consumer SoCs :)
  • [14:47:09] <aholler_> panto: if available
  • [14:47:22] <panto> everything is available for the right price
  • [14:47:30] <aholler_> (and with working drivers)
  • [14:47:42] <av500> aholler_: omap3 can play video, no?
  • [14:47:49] <av500> aka the DM part
  • [14:47:56] <panto> hey, kernel hackers need to earn a living too :)
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  • [14:48:22] <aholler_> yes, but sadly they don't want to pay me to write drivers for everything
  • [14:48:27] <aholler_> ;)
  • [14:49:17] <panto> aholler_, hehe
  • [14:49:49] <aholler_> so I've just refused the project
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  • [14:53:50] <aholler_> as I can't estimate how much time would be needed to write the necessary sw (including a working kernel) :(
  • [14:54:26] <panto> aholler_, tell them to go T&M
  • [14:55:02] <av500> aholler_: what SoC?
  • [14:55:52] <aholler_> av500: don't know. I don't know any with a stable kernel
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  • [14:56:35] <av500> ?
  • [14:58:05] <aholler_> arm-kernels are still a mess.
  • [14:58:23] <aholler_> at least for small teams
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  • [14:59:51] <aholler_> they can't handle the necessary work needed to maintain them for several years as necessary in the industry.
  • [15:01:34] <aholler_> and in those connected times they can't stick for years to the same kernel
  • [15:02:37] <panto> they will have to pay for it someway
  • [15:02:45] <panto> either go with a commercial vendor
  • [15:02:58] <panto> still, nothing is free
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  • [15:04:21] <aholler_> which commercial vendors are offering a maintained kernel for several years?
  • [15:04:35] <aholler_> non that I'm aware of
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  • [15:04:55] <aholler_> they all have the same problem
  • [15:06:18] <aholler_> one-shot hw with some kernel with vendor-patches.
  • [15:06:40] <panto> well, business models got to change in this day and age
  • [15:06:49] <aholler_> yes
  • [15:07:24] <panto> and it won't change by customer bitching about the way things used to be
  • [15:07:29] <panto> *customers
  • [15:07:42] <koen> jkridner: what is https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8/patches/drm ?
  • [15:07:49] <koen> jkridner: according to you those aren't drm patches
  • [15:07:58] <aholler_> panto: I've just watched the 29c3-video about scada, scarry stuff ;)
  • [15:08:19] <jkridner> I've only been looking at 3.7
  • [15:08:19] <panto> life was simpler back then, when you could design some crappy gizmo with a 8051 and sell it for 20+ years
  • [15:08:26] <jkridner> I thought we were trying to get 3.7 done first.
  • [15:08:50] <koen> 3.7 is pretty much frozen
  • [15:08:57] <jkridner> argh.
  • [15:08:57] <koen> something like drm won't be merged into that
  • [15:09:08] <jkridner> koen: which one are we going to use for release?
  • [15:09:08] <koen> which I have said during the past 3 or 4 confcalls
  • [15:09:14] <panto> jkridner, ain't life at the cutting edge grand? :(
  • [15:09:23] <jkridner> not clearly enough apparently.
  • [15:09:25] <koen> not my fault people don't listen during confcalls
  • [15:09:52] <koen> the 3.7 tree will be used (capebus)
  • [15:09:57] <jkridner> anyway, I'm working through issues that require fixing ahead of release.
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  • [15:10:00] <jkridner> where do I fix them.
  • [15:10:05] <koen> the 3.8 tree will have not-capebus
  • [15:10:16] <jkridner> good HDMI support is needed in the release.
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  • [15:10:33] <jkridner> which kinda leans towards getting in DRM, but maybe not.
  • [15:10:46] <koen> I have never been able to get hdmi working from sources I could build myself
  • [15:10:50] <jkridner> lots of functional gaps still in the 3.7.
  • [15:10:54] <koen> and I refuse to use magic binaries
  • [15:10:57] <jkridner> I have.
  • [15:11:13] <jkridner> the current code builds HDMI that works, but the timings are off.
  • [15:11:25] <jkridner> If you'd just like timings that work, I can put those in.
  • [15:11:34] <jkridner> then it won't be magic anymore.
  • [15:11:54] <koen> "timings are off" is the same as "not working"
  • [15:11:56] <jkridner> I was just trying to figure out if it is better to add the timings or bring in something that actually uses EDID properly.
  • [15:12:03] <koen> so if you can make it work, please send a patch
  • [15:12:04] <jkridner> agreed.
  • [15:12:18] <jkridner> k, I'll get it to work for 720p.
  • [15:12:24] <koen> but drm is too invasive for 3.7 IMO
  • [15:12:34] <jkridner> and, fyi, the error is in the timigns.
  • [15:12:54] <jkridner> k. any other way to get dynamic timings based off of EDID?
  • [15:13:02] <jkridner> lots of monitors won't work if EDID isn't respected.
  • [15:13:22] <koen> 720p in mandated by the hdmi spec
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  • [15:13:40] <koen> so if the timings conform to the spec...
  • [15:13:59] <jkridner> some monitors don't.
  • [15:14:27] <koen> I'm willing to settle for "good enough"
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  • [15:16:03] <koen> that reminds me, I updated my 4.7 toolchain, maybe that will be able to build a kernel that boots
  • [15:18:35] <mdp> aholler_: what jkridner said...just depends on the s/w reqmts...when I was consulting we'd just assess the portions of the vendor code that the customer needed and ignore the rest
  • [15:19:09] <mdp> koen, it's not a self-contained driver?
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  • [15:19:53] <koen> mdp: lcdc-drm is, but as you might expect, it conflicts with da8xx-fb
  • [15:20:29] <mdp> the kernel has tried and true methods to resolve conflicts
  • [15:20:35] <koen> and it lacks capebus bindings
  • [15:20:50] <mdp> well, panto isn't doing anything else important... :)
  • [15:20:50] <koen> so we get EDID, but need to drop display capes
  • [15:21:12] <mdp> I hate to see people throwing good money after FB
  • [15:21:14] <koen> I'd rather have people work on drm+not-capebus in 3.8
  • [15:21:16] <panto> mdp, I'm getting around to it
  • [15:21:26] <panto> today is the day I'm going to post the !capebus patches
  • [15:21:35] <mdp> panto, work on free software faster!
  • [15:21:35] <aholler_> mdp: I've just decided to not touch arm-linux-stuff for small companies.
  • [15:21:38] <panto> and bask in the glow of the flamethrowers
  • [15:21:46] <koen> but if someone can get capebus+drm working well in 3.7 I can be persuaded to merge it
  • [15:21:54] <mdp> aholler_: setting expectations can be difficult with many/most customers
  • [15:22:06] <jkridner> panto: dynamically loadable dt fragments?
  • [15:22:12] <panto> jkridner, yeah
  • [15:22:16] <jkridner> cool!
  • [15:22:32] <panto> it does what you mean! (DWIM)
  • [15:23:48] <mdp> anybody here that's going to ELC interested in a "testing" BOF? e.g. best practices, brainstorming better ways to test drivers, etc? I'm willing to lead it off if anybody wants to chat that stuff f2f.
  • [15:23:55] <koen> it needs a catchier name
  • [15:23:59] <koen> Sapplings?
  • [15:24:14] <koen> mdp: sounds like catnip for prpplague
  • [15:24:21] <panto> needs more T&A
  • [15:24:32] <mdp> hehe...T&A indeed
  • [15:24:41] <panto> Test&Awareness
  • [15:24:49] <mdp> mmhmm
  • [15:24:52] <koen> I can get you more TSA if you want
  • [15:24:54] <panto> every would go to a T&A session
  • [15:24:59] <panto> *everyone
  • [15:25:08] <mdp> T&A at the Trolling Massage Room
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  • [15:26:00] <aholler_> hmm, start the session with explaining that drivers can be both, modules and statically linked ;)
  • [15:26:16] <mdp> aholler_: wha? unpossible
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  • [15:27:26] <mdp> I take "monolithic" to heart.
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  • [15:37:41] <bradfa> If I attended ELC I'd attend a Trolling & Awesomeness BOF
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  • [15:37:55] <mdp> bradfa, *sigh*
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  • [15:38:07] * mdp senses no interest in testing :)
  • [15:38:11] <bradfa> mdp, or Testing, which ever was scheduled
  • [15:38:22] <mdp> I noticed the operative word, *if*
  • [15:38:24] <bradfa> mdp, I'm actually very interested in learning how to test things
  • [15:38:29] <mdp> me too :)
  • [15:38:32] <bradfa> mdp, I won't be attending ELC
  • [15:38:41] <bradfa> thus the "if"
  • [15:38:44] <mdp> so you will not learn to test
  • [15:38:48] <mdp> nor will I
  • [15:39:06] <bradfa> mdp, hence my recent whining about Unity test framework on G+
  • [15:39:08] <mdp> I'm hoping to get in a room with some smart people and learn something
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  • [15:39:19] <bradfa> mdp, IRC isn't that room
  • [15:39:24] <aholler_> ?
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  • [15:40:00] <aholler_> testing depends largely about what to test
  • [15:40:22] <aholler_> just compiling using different configs might be a good starting point
  • [15:40:23] <bradfa> aholler_, mdp, I'm interested in testing drivers when I don't have hardware available or the hardware doesn't yet act like it should
  • [15:41:02] <mdp> I was thinking about how people test their kernels in general..it's been the same problem when I had to validate stuff as a 3rd party developer, or for upstream, or a semi does for their vendor code release
  • [15:41:14] <mdp> aholler_: and granted there are many aspects
  • [15:41:29] <bradfa> mdp, that's similar enough of a desire to mine that I'd learn a lot from a discussion of it
  • [15:41:56] <mdp> so, as a BoF, the idea is to throw up some highlights...present two slides on what I'm working on for better spi/i2c testing, and then see what other gaps people see or what they do
  • [15:42:31] <mdp> prpplague: want to participate in such a BoF?
  • [15:42:57] <prpplague> mdp: indeed
  • [15:43:02] <mdp> you're the only person I know that's going to ELC :)
  • [15:43:11] <mdp> ok, it's a date! :)
  • [15:44:23] <koen> hmm, kazakhstan is the new memphis
  • [15:44:29] * koen refreshes ups site again
  • [15:45:12] <prpplague> koen: hey bud long time no see, been on holiday or is clint just working you hard?
  • [15:45:33] <aholler_> use a fuzzying spi/i2c-client ;)
  • [15:46:13] <koen> prpplague: both
  • [15:48:27] <prpplague> koen: hehe
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  • [15:51:43] <mranostay> what BoF is this?
  • [15:52:19] <mranostay> omg FRI2 email
  • [15:53:11] <dm8tbr> that mail arrived here the week before christmas. last I checked it still hadn't arrived though.
  • [15:53:30] <av500> its like rpi
  • [15:53:33] <av500> just more professional
  • [15:53:55] <dm8tbr> and this time it's intel hw without a fan...
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  • [15:55:37] <trelane> I have a 5v 2A power supply that outputs on a USB A port, I need a USB A to beaglebone power adapter, anyone know where I might come by one since beaglebone restricts the power input on the USB port?
  • [15:55:43] <mranostay> i need a space heater
  • [15:56:06] <bradfa> trelane, just cut a mini USB cable and splice in
  • [15:56:34] <mranostay> more panto spam i mean email
  • [15:56:58] <bradfa> trelane, or buy a barrel plug wall wart for like $10
  • [15:58:41] <av500> $10 is overpaying
  • [15:58:51] <trelane> bradfa, trying to avoid this for environmental (liquid ingress/outdoor) reasons
  • [15:58:51] <av500> $10 buys you a USB hub with a 5V/2A
  • [15:59:08] <av500> trelane: the beagle is in the rain?
  • [15:59:14] <av500> and you worry about the plug?
  • [15:59:29] <trelane> av500, the cord would be potentially exposed to mosture, it's an agricultural project
  • [15:59:39] <av500> ???
  • [15:59:40] <aholler_> they stink if wet
  • [15:59:40] <trelane> the plugs would not be exposed to moisture
  • [15:59:43] <av500> the cord enters the board
  • [15:59:54] <trelane> av500, the cord also isn't 0 length :)
  • [15:59:54] <av500> so, put the splice on the dry side
  • [16:00:03] <aholler_> s/stink/smell/
  • [16:00:18] <av500> also, why is your PSU no on the dry side?
  • [16:00:24] <bradfa> trelane, is buying a wall wart that does the job not an option?
  • [16:00:37] <av500> you are sure the power supply likes the rain?
  • [16:00:47] <bradfa> trelane, or is commenting out the part of the board-file that restricts the OPP mode when sensing USB power not an option?
  • [16:00:52] <trelane> av500, the psu is 7000K, and 93 million miles away :)
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  • [16:01:21] <mdp> aholler_: I look forward to your implementation
  • [16:01:29] <av500> that should keep it dry
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  • [16:02:11] <aholler_> mdp: I thought I'm the customer
  • [16:02:15] <av500> no
  • [16:02:26] <av500> aholler_: you know too much to be one
  • [16:02:33] <mdp> aholler_: I'm not longer customer facing...we have other people to talk to you
  • [16:02:59] <mdp> this gives me time to grow a neckbeard
  • [16:03:02] <av500> aholler_: prepare a short statement explaiing your "use case"
  • [16:03:21] <av500> nothing fancy, a few animated slides...
  • [16:03:30] <mdp> attach it on e2e
  • [16:03:38] <av500> +1
  • [16:03:48] <av500> so people can "like" it
  • [16:03:54] <trelane> av500, I have a solar charger, that has to go up on the roof of the greenhouse, the cable will run down from there, the solar charger is up away from moisture, and the roof is watertight that it's under, the beaglebone will be on the side of a 500+ gallon tank of water (and fish)
  • [16:04:04] <av500> and?
  • [16:04:09] <av500> where is the problem?
  • [16:04:13] <mdp> "like it" will forever be a coldstone creamery size to me
  • [16:04:19] <aholler_> no tape around
  • [16:04:20] <jonand> trelane: read the log files, I posted a link to ebay yesterday @ $1.99
  • [16:04:26] <trelane> I'd like to avoid splices if possible (a: allows me to use COTS, b: reliability)
  • [16:04:29] <jonand> for a usb to dc jack
  • [16:04:33] <trelane> jonand, I just joined 3 minutes ago
  • [16:04:36] <trelane> or I would :)
  • [16:04:56] <jonand> this channel is archived by some bot iirc
  • [16:04:59] <av500> well, keep the splice on the dry side
  • [16:05:15] <av500> there where you keep the beagle itself
  • [16:05:18] <trelane> jonand, is there any chance you could find me that link again?
  • [16:05:23] <av500> heck, solder it to the beagle even
  • [16:06:03] <jonand> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-A-to-5-5mm-Barrel-Connector-Jack-DC-Power-Cable-/170643272152?pt=US_USB_Cables_Hubs_Adapters&hash=item27bb21b1d8
  • [16:06:16] <trelane> awesome, buying 10, thanks
  • [16:06:21] <jonand> av500: if he knew how to solder, do you think he would ask?
  • [16:06:38] <bradfa> jonand, you'd be surprised
  • [16:06:54] <trelane> jonand: I know how to solder, I do not like splices
  • [16:07:03] * trelane has 2 metcals on his desk in the lab
  • [16:07:16] <jonand> ooh. I like metcal!
  • [16:07:25] * trelane also has a testing station running on a teensy that died over a weekend and set a project back a month because of a splice that gave when someone moved the project
  • [16:07:45] <jonand> haven't been at places that can afford them for some years though.. :/
  • [16:07:47] <trelane> jonand: I like them, the hakko's are as good for 1/10th the price
  • [16:07:54] <mdp> bradfa: btw, you weren't far off the mark wrt "need to make a phone"...consider that 2 of 3 remaining significant players in the phone soc market are also phone OEMs. :)
  • [16:07:55] <trelane> jonand: Technicolor Lab Services
  • [16:08:00] <Russ> mdp, where is the facebook, 'gotta have it' button?
  • [16:08:07] <mdp> Russ, :)
  • [16:08:25] <trelane> jonand: the guy that runs our lab had 30 years experience and I've learned from him to avoid "hacks" and spend money instead because we don't have to go to a customer and explain that we broke it
  • [16:08:27] <jonand> trelane: that said, check if the dc jack on the beagle* is 2.1 or 2.5mm
  • [16:09:07] <jonand> things changed in 30 years. it's not like you have time to wait these days...
  • [16:09:09] <av500> each time I need to power a beagle, I take the PSU from some old $1500 TI EVM
  • [16:09:10] <bradfa> mdp, that came to mind, TI could lead the "Not Google, not Ubuntu, not Microsoft, not Apple" phone market! Think of the userbase!
  • [16:09:15] <jonand> av500: lol
  • [16:09:40] <panto> Tizen for the kill! :P
  • [16:09:49] <av500> ubntutuOS
  • [16:09:53] <mdp> bradfa, maybe qualcomm or nvidia before they die
  • [16:10:18] <trelane> jonand: that is the part
  • [16:10:33] <bradfa> mdp, qualcomm, maybe. I have no idea what nvidia is doing these days
  • [16:10:49] * slchen (~slchen@114-41-211-187.dynamic.hinet.net) Quit (Quit: slchen)
  • [16:11:00] <mdp> nvidia has nothing unique other than GPU IP
  • [16:11:19] <bradfa> TI should make a Firefox Phone (Fone?)
  • [16:11:20] <bradfa> mdp, that's what I thought
  • [16:11:38] <mdp> bradfa, we no longer have relevant socs to design-in something new..so forget about TI :)
  • [16:12:06] <bradfa> I'd think nvidia is most scared of Intel and AMD these days, what with Intel starting to measure power consumption and have decent grahpics and AMD seems to have jumped on the ARM shark and they still have ATI which has learned how to send patches
  • [16:12:34] <av500> bradfa: there are reports of INTEL wanting to shut out 2rd party GPUs
  • [16:12:37] <av500> 3rd*
  • [16:12:43] <bradfa> av500, wouldn't surprise me
  • [16:12:53] <bradfa> 2nd person is the best writing style, though, don't discount it
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  • [16:13:19] <bradfa> av500, since Apple can do reasonable resolution with Intel graphics, do I really want to pay for someone else's GPU?
  • [16:13:49] <av500> bradfa: well, apple cares about the GPU on the iphone and ipad
  • [16:14:01] <bradfa> although the nouveau (sp?) driver works nice on my 7 year old Dell now :)
  • [16:14:04] <av500> and that GPU is "good enough" by definition
  • [16:14:14] <bradfa> av500, but is that nvidia IP or someone else?
  • [16:14:20] <av500> nobody will write a game that does not work
  • [16:14:28] <av500> bradfa: IMGTEC so far
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  • [16:14:45] <av500> if I was aapl, I would buy imgtec
  • [16:14:52] <mdp> bradfa, some whispering from suit types that left nvidia is that they are in trouble going forward...pretty much for the reasons that others have exited that market
  • [16:15:04] <av500> PC market dead
  • [16:15:10] <av500> T2 and T3 not gaining traction
  • [16:15:10] <bradfa> av500, they have the cash, but I'd venture they'd make their own with it rather than buy a big player, or buy a bunch of smaller players and make their own
  • [16:15:21] <jonand> wow, mk802ish allwinnerbox for $20 on dx.com now
  • [16:15:25] <av500> yes
  • [16:15:39] <av500> the r-pi killer
  • [16:15:40] <bradfa> mdp, nvidia has some nice stuff with CUDA, I think
  • [16:15:41] <av500> finally
  • [16:15:43] * djinni (~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  • [16:15:44] <jonand> http://dx.com/p/u2-mini-android-4-0-network-multi-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-black-4gb-ddr-iii-1gb-145864
  • [16:15:48] <bradfa> but that's not a huge market
  • [16:15:48] <av500> bradfa: who cares for CUDA?
  • [16:15:54] <mdp> av500, I expect them to push for automotive harder
  • [16:15:55] <av500> can you write code for it?
  • [16:15:55] <bradfa> av500, exactly
  • [16:15:59] <av500> I cant
  • [16:16:01] <jonand> including psu, cables and wifi. pretty neat.
  • [16:16:01] <bradfa> av500, me, no
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  • [16:16:31] <av500> mdp: like the Nvidia Jacinto? :)
  • [16:16:31] <bradfa> Intel's got their own million x86 cores (with LINUX!) on a PCI card now anyways
  • [16:16:35] * jonmasters (~jcm@edison.jonmasters.org) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)
  • [16:16:35] <av500> yep
  • [16:16:42] <mdp> compared to atmel, ST, FSL, and TI though, I can't imagine anybody taking nvidia seriously if they try to enter the industrial space.
  • [16:16:44] <av500> omg, jonmasters is dead
  • [16:16:45] <mranostay> av500: hi troll
  • [16:16:54] <Russ> wtf
  • [16:16:57] <av500> at least he left the server :)
  • [16:16:59] <bradfa> av500, wtf?
  • [16:17:02] <bradfa> ah, k
  • [16:17:05] <mdp> av500, omg!
  • [16:17:05] <av500> [17:16:35] <-- jonmasters has left this server (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net).
  • [16:17:06] <Russ> don't troll so hard
  • [16:17:17] <mdp> did boston get nuked?
  • [16:17:18] <bradfa> miata crashes or something was first thing that came to mind
  • [16:17:24] <av500> with his OCD on redundancy that must mean serious trouble :)
  • [16:17:31] <bradfa> redundancy is hard when driving
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  • [16:17:48] <mdp> av500, yeah, I figured he had redundant znc servers around the globe and in orbit
  • [16:17:54] <av500> yep
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  • [16:18:05] <av500> secret payload on the mars misson
  • [16:18:06] <av500> mission
  • [16:18:08] <mdp> av500, and 5 spare miatas stashed at offsite locations in case one dies
  • [16:18:15] <bradfa> mdp, nvidia and industrial don't go in the same sentence
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  • [16:18:30] <mdp> bradfa, that's why I say, you can't just pop in there
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  • [16:18:52] <av500> this week we do industrial, please edit all the temp ranges in the data sheets :(
  • [16:18:54] <av500> :)
  • [16:19:00] <mdp> everybody figures they can slap canbus and maybe pci on their mobile processor and jump into IVI/ADAS land
  • [16:19:18] <jpastore> Hi. new to beaglebone. trying ot get the wifi going. is anyone around that might be able to help?
  • [16:19:28] <bradfa> we had customer ask for 5 hour battery life at -40 C on a lithium...
  • [16:19:35] <av500> sure
  • [16:19:38] <av500> make it a big one
  • [16:19:53] <mdp> the bigger the better
  • [16:19:53] <bradfa> av500, yah
  • [16:20:15] <mdp> like battery arrays at a ham field day ;)
  • [16:20:24] <bradfa> mdp, very cold ham field day
  • [16:23:10] * mdp wants to see a TizenSamsungPhone vs. UbuntuShuttlePhone grudge match...fight!
  • [16:23:32] <mdp> "I've got 3 more apps that nobody wants than you!"
  • [16:23:39] <Russ> rap battle?
  • [16:23:45] <mdp> hehe..yes
  • [16:23:52] <av500> mdp: nooooo
  • [16:23:56] <av500> its all HTML5
  • [16:23:59] <av500> soooo many apps
  • [16:24:03] <av500> cross platform
  • [16:24:06] <av500> beautiful
  • [16:24:12] <mdp> av500, web apps are first class citizens!
  • [16:24:23] <av500> yes
  • [16:24:27] <mdp> just like ios
  • [16:24:32] <av500> they bathe in donkey milk every day
  • [16:24:45] <mdp> mmm
  • [16:24:52] <av500> too bad it's 3 month old milk
  • [16:25:24] <Russ> donkey cheese!
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  • [16:25:35] <av500> \o/
  • [16:25:39] <Russ> yay!
  • [16:25:47] <av500> jonmasters_: dont scare us like that
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  • [16:26:08] <mdp> I almost crawled into my fallout shelter
  • [16:26:13] <av500> +1
  • [16:27:08] <Russ> https://www.google.com/search?q=%22jonmasters%22+%22has+joined+%23beagle%22+2012
  • [16:27:55] <aholler_> hmm, no 2013, google got slow
  • [16:28:16] <Russ> all but one of those is a netsplit
  • [16:28:51] <av500> see why I panicked
  • [16:29:06] <mranostay> _av500_: must take a minute to switch over to the satelite uplink :)
  • [16:29:13] <av500> no hot standby?
  • [16:29:20] <av500> you gotta be kidding me
  • [16:29:25] * mdp imagines 5 fios installations in jonmasters' flat
  • [16:29:53] <Russ> mdp, you need to think diversification
  • [16:30:10] <mdp> that's just to start
  • [16:31:17] <av500> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/i/000001-100000/85001-90000/86001-87000/86390.jpg
  • [16:31:21] <av500> thats just for surfing
  • [16:31:32] <av500> and ordering pizza
  • [16:31:39] * jpsaman (~jpsaman@videolan/developer/jpsaman) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
  • [16:31:51] <Russ> why only one internet?
  • [16:32:08] <aholler_> eh, cisco phones
  • [16:32:19] <aholler_> owned
  • [16:32:43] <mdp> "nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco"
  • [16:37:43] <mranostay> heh
  • [16:43:48] <aholler_> maybe ti should go into the ip-phone business instead of the wireless phone business ;)
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  • [16:49:01] <prpplague> mranostay: http://hackaday.com/2013/01/03/solar-powered-wifi-radiation-sensor/
  • [16:51:17] <mdp> aholler_: maybe synopsys has an ip-phone IP to buy...then *boom*
  • [16:55:37] <aholler_> hmm, sorry, can't follow
  • [16:56:23] <robclark> jkridner, fyi, https://github.com/robclark/kernel-omap4/commits/bone <-- has lcd cape and dvi cape support.. for lcd cape, everything comes from device tree. I'm still working on the driver for the nxp hdmi mess.. one caveat: no explicit backlight control so far, I've only tried lcd3 cape which did not have backlight control, so some hacking may be needed..
  • [16:56:28] <robclark> also, the dt stuff is a bit of a.. umm.. work in progress..
  • [16:56:44] <panto> robclark, cool
  • [16:56:58] <panto> is that on the 3.7?
  • [16:57:36] <jkridner> robclark: thanks for the update.
  • [16:58:32] <robclark> that should get a bit nicer I think w/ panto's not-a-bus-cape-bus stuff
  • [16:59:05] <panto> robclark, I'll try to use it
  • [16:59:21] <panto> which lcd cape do you support?
  • [16:59:38] <aholler_> mdp: but their side seemed got boomed, at least according to google
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  • [17:00:18] <mranostay> prpplague: too bad that circuit design is sure to burn out a tube :)
  • [17:00:31] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe
  • [17:01:09] <jpastore> so I'm trying to go back to basic and follow the adafruit guides. reloaded with angstrom, followed the guide for the drivers for wifi. had to --force-overwrite for opkg to work. post reboot no wifi adapater. any ideas?
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  • [17:12:23] * mdp hands robclark the understatement award.
  • [17:16:28] <robclark> jkridner, btw, this looks ok: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8/patches/drm
  • [17:16:34] * robclark just catching up on backlog
  • [17:17:47] <jkridner> thanks!
  • [17:18:07] <jkridner> I'm still fighting the timing on the HDMI with the old stuff for now.
  • [17:18:47] <jkridner> fbset seems to be telling me the right story now, but the display still doesn't like it.
  • [17:19:09] <jkridner> http://pastebin.com/LnYxHNaC
  • [17:19:21] <av500> #tizenallthethings: http://allthingsd.com/20130103/samsung-plans-multiple-tizen-smartphones-for-2013/
  • [17:20:13] <prpplague> jkridner: thats where a TFP401 comes in great for debugging that
  • [17:20:32] <prpplague> jkridner: with an oscope you can exactly track what is actually occuring
  • [17:20:45] <jkridner> great??? wanna ship me one?
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  • [17:20:56] <dm8tbr> av500: heh, they used the old log and that horrible genie :D
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  • [17:21:54] <jpastore> so I found this guys post. really...you can't have the ethernet plugged in with the wifi? that would be a nice heads up somewhere
  • [17:23:04] <robclark> panto, yeah, my current branch is 3.7 based..
  • [17:23:07] <robclark> panto, so far I've only tried lcd3.. lcd7, there might be some backlight issues (judging from the schematic)
  • [17:23:10] <robclark> all the dt stuff.. well, let's say it is still in flux
  • [17:23:12] * robclark just trying to get hdmi/nxp stuff working first, and then I'll do some cleanup and look at the backlight support
  • [17:23:30] <robclark> the old hdmi driver is kinda.. a mess
  • [17:23:33] <robclark> I think I've managed to 'reverse engineer' how to set all the various timing params, etc.. but so far haven't managed to get nxp to light up (although I can read edid and detect connection)
  • [17:24:10] <panto> afk for a bit :)
  • [17:24:18] <panto> robclark, np, I'm taking a look right now
  • [17:26:34] <av500> http://www.h-online.com/open/features/One-software-radio-to-rule-them-all-1775971.html
  • [17:26:37] <av500> Crofton ^^^^
  • [17:26:41] <av500> Crofton|work: ^^^^
  • [17:27:25] <Crofton|work> av500, thanks
  • [17:34:43] <Russ> av500, please don't bring bad the memories of jtrs and hms
  • [17:40:24] <Crofton|work> rofl
  • [17:41:04] <Crofton|work> JTRS was a failure of large government acquisition program operation
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  • [17:47:52] <aholler_> sounds like vogons were involved ;)
  • [17:48:23] <Russ> if they vogans made source control systems like they wrote poetry
  • [17:48:27] <Russ> they would write clearcase
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  • [17:50:18] <aholler_> "nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco"
  • [17:50:26] <aholler_> s/cisco/ibm/
  • [17:50:51] <mdp> Russ, more overlap..I almost moved onto JTRS but switched to a commercial division..*whew*
  • [17:52:23] <Russ> clearquest I pretty much just blot out of my mind completely
  • [17:52:34] <mdp> hehe
  • [17:53:15] <koen> robclark: I cherry-picked all your 3.7 based patches, minus the lcd clock and hwmod ones
  • [17:53:25] <mdp> Russ, CQ has followed you here
  • [17:53:29] <koen> robclark: those don't seem to apply anymore after the common clock stuff
  • [17:53:36] <Russ> NOOoo!!!!
  • [17:54:06] <mdp> Russ, it's fun to watch people post stuff to e2e and then have it logged into CQ where they can publicly track it
  • [17:54:10] <mdp> fun fun fun
  • [17:54:39] <robclark> koen, yeah, I think the 3.7 branch I was using is pre-common-clock..
  • [17:54:45] <mdp> jackmitchell filed a bug on e2e that way that I recently was steered toward
  • [17:54:48] <koen> robclark: it is
  • [17:55:09] <koen> robclark: I couldn't figure out the magic incantations to add lcdc clock to the new framework
  • [17:55:35] <koen> so I made drm-lcdc and da8xx-fb modules to keep it booting :)
  • [17:56:04] <robclark> hmm.. do we still use clock33xx_data.c w/ common clk fwk?
  • [17:56:20] <koen> no
  • [17:56:25] <robclark> I think I just had to fix up some of the clk names so I could look up the clocks I needed
  • [17:56:28] <robclark> hmm
  • [17:56:50] <robclark> wonder if mturquette is around somewhere... rumor is he knows something about that stuff :-P
  • [17:56:55] <koen> instead of adding one function and one struct you need to add more structs now
  • [17:57:08] <robclark> oh fun
  • [17:59:24] <koen> from what I pieced together the 3.7 way is struct-inside-struct-inside-struct, the 3.8 way is struct; struct; struct;
  • [17:59:36] <koen> but 3.8 lacked something copy/pastable
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  • [18:00:47] <aholler_> sounds like someone is using eclipse (refactroing stuff is something eclipse users like to do)
  • [18:01:44] <aholler_> hmm, I better shut up
  • [18:02:02] <mdp> panto, abstract sounds great, looking forward to it
  • [18:02:13] <panto> hehe
  • [18:03:38] <robclark> koen, got a link handy to whatever is equiv to clock33xx_data.c in this brave new world? I guess it shouldn't be *that* hard, since it was just a couple name changes?
  • [18:03:52] * robclark could have a quick look
  • [18:07:14] <mranostay> panto: SPAM!
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  • [19:32:36] <mph__> boo.
  • [19:32:51] <mranostay> scary not
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  • [19:34:56] <koen> robclark: arch/arm/mach-omap2/cclock33xx_data.c
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  • [19:41:38] <robclark> koen, ok, I guess lcd_gclk is what used to be lcdc_fck
  • [19:42:06] <robclark> and dpll_disp_ck is still there
  • [19:42:21] <tasslehoff> I want to make u-boot setup clocks the same way the kernel does (basically I need a pixel clock of 40MHz instead of 72MHz), but also want to avoid learning too much. Anyone seen a patch/commit out there that could fit me? If not I suspect that I will have to open The TRM again :)
  • [19:42:51] <Russ> reading the TRM grows hair on your chest
  • [19:43:32] <tasslehoff> Russ: and makes it fall of my head at the same time, so I have a choice to make
  • [19:43:52] <robclark> koen, I guess just changing both of those to have the device name "da8xx_lcdc.0", and then either changing "lcdc_gclk" to "lcdc_fck" or updating lcdc drm to look for the clk name "lcdc_gclk" instead of "fck" might do the trick?
  • [19:46:18] <mranostay> Russ: women find that attractive again?
  • [19:46:50] <Russ> wouldn't know
  • [19:46:58] * Russ grabs a stack of TRMs
  • [19:47:35] <Russ> hey, this one says NDA restrictions, that must be like Axe for engineers or something
  • [19:48:39] <koen> robclark: I guess, I'll see if I have time tomorrow to look into it
  • [19:48:53] <mranostay> oh lovely binaries in the repo and no source anywhere for them
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  • [19:49:08] <mranostay> prpplague: pour me some rum
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  • [19:49:42] <mranostay> er barbados up my coffee...that doesn't sound right
  • [19:49:48] <prpplague> hehe
  • [19:50:32] <mranostay> prpplague: be honest you've tried that right? :)
  • [19:51:02] <prpplague> mranostay: frequently when i have to have a conference call or meeting with jkridner
  • [19:51:18] <mranostay> you know he is in here right? :)
  • [19:51:35] * prpplague points to jkridner
  • [19:52:24] * jkridner remains quiet
  • [19:52:27] * mranostay points jkridner with a pin
  • [19:52:28] <mranostay> *pokes
  • [19:54:05] * mph__ wonders if i ever understand
  • [19:54:51] <mranostay> probably better if you don't
  • [19:54:55] <mph__> i'd rather pay someone who does
  • [19:55:29] * jkridner ouch (delayed reaction)
  • [19:56:46] <mph__> who will sell their minds to the borg?
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  • [19:59:51] <tasslehoff> adobe reader will take 424.8 MB of space on my computer? that is a lot...
  • [20:00:03] <tasslehoff> it better read the trm for me
  • [20:00:16] <thurbad> lol
  • [20:01:32] <Russ> evince reads it just fine
  • [20:02:04] <mdp> prpplague: lol :)
  • [20:02:31] <s5fs> tasslehoff: i wouldn't install adobe reader, those products are chock full of security holes on windows, haha!
  • [20:02:38] <thurbad> 428MB is like more than some OS's
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  • [20:03:32] <tasslehoff> yeah. I'm on a mac now, so Preview was the only thing I had.
  • [20:03:49] <mdp> clearly bigger than OSes on a 8-bit machine
  • [20:03:50] <thurbad> ah.. heh preview
  • [20:05:43] <joel_> koen: I get "rcu sched stalls" with omap2plus_defconfig when I build kernel 3.8-rc1 from the beagleboard.org github repository. sound familiar?
  • [20:06:04] <joel_> Just wondering what is different between config/beaglebone and omap2plus_defconfig that could cause this
  • [20:07:43] <mdp> mac can run Ubuntu...and even Linux..both of which support evince.
  • [20:08:42] <mph__> ubuntu != linux ?
  • [20:08:43] * joel_ reconfigs and rebuilds
  • [20:09:28] <mranostay> mdp: how about Android?
  • [20:10:07] <mdp> mranostay, that's yesterday...Tizen is today
  • [20:10:31] <Russ> tizen is today, what a slogan!
  • [20:10:32] * mranostay fumbles for office wastebin
  • [20:10:52] <mranostay> "i just tizen'ed" should be the slogan
  • [20:11:11] <robclark> joel_, panto mentioned rcu hangcheck enabled vs disabled?
  • [20:11:19] <mdp> I think Tizening is illegal here in the Heartland...will check the legal codez
  • [20:11:43] <joel_> robclark: sorry, is that a config option?
  • [20:13:10] <robclark> possibly.. I'm just seeing if I can compare a working vs non-working config.. definitely some RCU differences..
  • [20:14:41] <robclark> joel_, hmm, actually my working config is using CONFIG_TREE_RCU, and last broken config was using CONFIG_TINY_RCU
  • [20:14:54] <robclark> too many RCU options...
  • [20:15:30] <robclark> but I think at one point I was also having problems w/ CONFIG_TREE_RCU=y..
  • [20:16:02] <robclark> basically, it was working, then I enabled a bunch of debug options, and started hitting that problem.. and then went back to omap2plus_defconfig and it worked
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  • [20:37:42] <panto> back
  • [20:38:09] <panto> robclark, yes, I think TINY_RCU is what's broken
  • [20:38:09] <mranostay> panto: you were deeeply missed
  • [20:38:14] <panto> I know
  • [20:38:20] <panto> you wouldn't lie, would you?
  • [20:38:24] <panto> ((puppy eyes))
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  • [20:45:24] <NishanthMenon> TINY_RCU depends on !PREEMPT && !SMP
  • [20:46:46] <NishanthMenon> PREEMPT is disabled on omap2plus_defconfig, but SMP is active.
  • [20:53:53] <NishanthMenon> TINY_RCU on 3.8.rc2
  • [20:53:58] <NishanthMenon> seems to boot up fine for me
  • [20:55:27] <NishanthMenon> config:http://www.hastebin.com/korofoqugu.vbs and bootlog on bone A5 http://www.hastebin.com/lanehaxuso.vhdl
  • [21:05:39] <mranostay> hmm Google CEO visiting north korea?
  • [21:06:21] <NishanthMenon> baby party :D
  • [21:06:24] <mdp> they're buying it
  • [21:06:53] <mranostay> mdp: with what one share of stock? :)
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  • [21:07:07] <mdp> price is right
  • [21:07:22] <mdp> they want the shark tank
  • [21:08:25] <NishanthMenon> TINY_RCU - http://www.hastebin.com/renuqatixu.vbs with kernel hacking enabled for lock_dep etc..
  • [21:08:25] <mdp> Tizen people go in the shark tank
  • [21:08:30] <mranostay> maybe they need a search engine for all two sites
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  • [21:23:52] <emeb> yay - onsale beaglebone arrives.
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  • [21:27:50] <emeb> I see that in rev A6a the giant 50ohm reference resistor is gone.
  • [21:31:49] <jkridner> panto: how much pushback do you expect to get on including yacc code in the kernel?
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  • [21:32:39] <panto> jkridner, well, that part should go in via the dtc tree and then find it's way in the kernel
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  • [21:33:22] <panto> the kernel doesn't build the yacc sources, it uses the already generated shipped sources
  • [21:33:26] <panto> hi alan_o
  • [21:33:58] <mranostay> panto: get your submissions in?
  • [21:34:09] <panto> still waiting for review feedback
  • [21:34:11] <mdp> there's more than the dtc part?
  • [21:34:22] <mranostay> panto: i mean ELC
  • [21:34:24] <panto> mranostay, got the first in ages ago
  • [21:34:32] <mph__> i wonder why the Beagles were put on sale
  • [21:34:33] <panto> I'll write the next one tomorrow
  • [21:34:42] <alan_o> panto: yo!
  • [21:34:45] <mranostay> panto: deadline is tomorrow you know? :)
  • [21:34:46] <alan_o> mru is on, woot!
  • [21:34:57] <panto> yes I know
  • [21:35:07] <mranostay> on what?
  • [21:35:29] <panto> asymmetric cpus and scheduling
  • [21:35:42] <panto> omap fallout
  • [21:35:52] <mdp> the demise of omap!
  • [21:36:01] <panto> a tale of tears and suffering
  • [21:36:10] <mranostay> "Omap totally ****ed?"
  • [21:36:12] <panto> tune in next month and commiserate
  • [21:36:15] <alan_o> "The Rise and Fall of Texas Instruments."
  • [21:36:57] <thurbad> they're leaving the mobile marketspace (possibly)
  • [21:36:58] <jkridner> mph__: you talking about the TI eStore sale?
  • [21:37:01] <mdp> we be analog suckas
  • [21:37:06] <mph__> yeah.
  • [21:37:08] <jkridner> it is a tool marketing push for Sitara.
  • [21:37:30] <jkridner> BeagleBone is simply included. limited time stuff.
  • [21:37:39] <mph__> it closed Dec 31
  • [21:37:41] <thurbad> kinda hard to compete with slave labor that foxconn uses for their cell phone lines
  • [21:37:50] <alan_o> ^^
  • [21:38:00] <alan_o> and that RPi uses for their manufacturing
  • [21:38:01] <jkridner> I didn't promote it in various channels as I didn't want to upset the normal distributors.
  • [21:38:38] <jkridner> TI eStore buys through the same channels as normal BB.org distributors.
  • [21:39:06] <jkridner> they don't get a special discount---they were just willing to not make any money.
  • [21:39:28] <jkridner> sorry if you missed the sale. :(
  • [21:39:38] <mph__> no, i did'nt..
  • [21:39:43] <alan_o> jkridner: so who _does_ make this thing?
  • [21:39:45] <jkridner> ah, good. :)
  • [21:39:50] <jkridner> CircuitCo.
  • [21:39:50] <alan_o> I know circuitco manufactures it...
  • [21:39:54] <alan_o> but who puts up the money
  • [21:39:54] <mph__> i bought me a small stack of them.
  • [21:40:01] <jkridner> Depends on what...
  • [21:40:03] <alan_o> who makes the orders
  • [21:40:09] <mph__> as well as a pair of ICE boards
  • [21:40:10] <alan_o> or does circuitco deal directly with distributors?
  • [21:40:16] <jkridner> CircuitCo fronts most of the bills for prototyping, etc.
  • [21:40:27] <jkridner> They deal directly with distributors.
  • [21:40:32] <alan_o> But Cooley designed it and he's TI, right?
  • [21:40:40] <jkridner> yeah, Gerald Coley.
  • [21:40:43] <alan_o> Coley
  • [21:40:50] <jkridner> yeah, he's paid by TI.
  • [21:40:58] <jkridner> as am I.
  • [21:41:03] <alan_o> right.
  • [21:41:18] <jkridner> Clint Cooley is the owner over at CircuitCo.
  • [21:41:35] <jkridner> He made a bit of money from the first BB runs that essentially Digi-Key funded.
  • [21:41:42] <alan_o> So it's really a joint venture, but CircuitCo is running it as their own product, and TI just buys them at this point and provides Gerald for support, upgrades, maintenance, etc.
  • [21:41:57] <jkridner> I got $25k for initial prototypes from TI and haven't gotten anything else from TI in terms of prototyping $$$s.
  • [21:42:12] <jkridner> yeah, pretty much.
  • [21:42:16] <mranostay> remember everyone to +1 my design :)
  • [21:42:34] <mranostay> well submission
  • [21:42:47] <jkridner> mranostay: good point! I've placed all the G+ and Facebook like icons on http://beagleboard.org/CapeContest/entries now
  • [21:43:08] <jkridner> I also deleted the invalid entries.
  • [21:43:34] <jkridner> so, lobbying for +1's and likes is a good idea right now. :)
  • [21:44:10] <alan_o> mranostay: so what's in it for me? :-D
  • [21:44:25] <alan_o> We can make it like Congress..... I vote for your bill, if .....
  • [21:44:25] <mranostay> alan_o: i'll buy you a beer
  • [21:44:46] <jkridner> mranostay: I gave you your first fb like
  • [21:44:57] <mranostay> *blushes*
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  • [21:45:11] <alan_o> everyone always remembers their first like....
  • [21:45:14] * NishanthMenon wonders where spi0 went in beaglebone http://www.hastebin.com/hufewofake.avrasm spi0 is part of DT @ 48030000, but only spi1 in spi_master and no device in spidev..
  • [21:45:19] <alan_o> err... maybe that's something else
  • [21:45:24] <jkridner> alan_o: to finish the story, Digi-Key bought the first 10k BBs and that has been the seed money for each iteration.
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  • [21:47:49] <mph__> what do you do with a GPS FM radio?
  • [21:48:24] <jkridner> mph__: the video explains...
  • [21:48:40] <jkridner> essentially use it for audio prompts on location.
  • [21:48:53] <jkridner> in your car, etc.
  • [21:50:02] <mranostay> jkridner: seems like a limited use case there
  • [21:50:05] <mph__> mmm, yes, thats probably ver true.
  • [21:50:18] <mph__> actually i built something a few years ago that did somehing very similar
  • [21:50:23] <mph__> but it was'nt audio cues
  • [21:51:40] <mph__> the dmx cape is interesting
  • [21:52:06] <mdp> mranostay, yours is the only one I've actually seen in action and is known working
  • [21:52:49] <alan_o> mdp: hey, you saw my cape!!!
  • [21:52:50] <mph__> the contest did'nt require it to be working did it?
  • [21:53:06] <mranostay> mph__: no but it was nice if it does :)
  • [21:53:13] * alan_o didn't submit it to the contest :(
  • [21:53:18] <mph__> the dmx one seems to be working
  • [21:53:22] <mph__> unless the video is a lie.
  • [21:53:22] <mranostay> well unless emeb is lying his works too
  • [21:53:28] <mdp> alan_o, both true
  • [21:53:47] <alan_o> ran out of time. Too much actual work.
  • [21:53:54] <alan_o> which I'm procrastinating from right now, in fact
  • [21:53:56] <mdp> emeb I trust..just haven't seen beyond the layout pics
  • [21:54:03] <mph__> mmm, it uses the PRU too
  • [21:54:05] <mph__> and theres code.
  • [21:54:16] <emeb> mdp: look at the video
  • [21:54:25] <aholler_> hmm, no ??bercape with a cc24xx/cc25xx
  • [21:54:31] <mdp> emeb: oh nos, I have to look at something?!? ;)
  • [21:54:47] <emeb> mdp: you don't _have_ to.
  • [21:54:59] <mph__> im not sure if connecting an FPGA to a Beagle is a winner of an idea
  • [21:55:18] <emeb> mph__: yeah - the board by itself is pretty boring.
  • [21:55:25] <mph__> yeah, in deed.
  • [21:55:42] <_av500_> mranostay: I cannot like your cape
  • [21:55:44] <_av500_> im not on FB
  • [21:55:46] <mph__> the energon cape looks fun
  • [21:57:47] <mph__> capewings.. a beagle kennel.
  • [21:58:09] <mdp> lol, Locutus!
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  • [22:05:33] <prpplague> mdp: https://plus.google.com/u/0/113422950875107230971/posts/4QCAXuggRnj
  • [22:05:46] <jkridner> panto: is there documentation on the sysfs interface or how to load the overlays other than api calls?
  • [22:06:26] <panto> jkridner, the sysfs interface is part of the board specific capemgr
  • [22:06:32] <panto> which will be forthcoming
  • [22:06:42] <jkridner> k
  • [22:07:02] <panto> what is it that you like to do?
  • [22:07:04] <jkridner> thought I might have been missing it. :)
  • [22:07:09] <panto> jkridner, no :)
  • [22:07:24] <emeb> mdp is the first person to comment on Locutus.
  • [22:07:46] <panto> the patchset is just the core infrastructure we need to get the loader to work
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  • [22:08:36] <jkridner> how are you testing it without a loader?
  • [22:08:54] <panto> jkridner, the loader is ready
  • [22:09:00] <panto> as well as capes that support it
  • [22:09:29] <jkridner> oh? are there capes with fragments in their eeproms?
  • [22:09:54] <panto> jkridner, no, no fragments in the eeproms of course
  • [22:10:27] <panto> since I don't know if we ever got to a decision about that
  • [22:10:32] <jkridner> k, so you mean the capebus loader that exists now that uses descriptors for loading existing fragments?
  • [22:10:40] <panto> the fragment are stored as firmware files
  • [22:11:03] <jkridner> firmware files? I thought they were in the dtb itself.
  • [22:11:18] <panto> git://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm.git branch not-capebus-v7
  • [22:11:25] <panto> jkridner, the firmware files are dtbs
  • [22:11:48] <jkridner> I'd expect us to eventually put dtb fragments into the EEPROMs such that there is no need to continue to update the kernel unless a new driver is required.
  • [22:11:58] <panto> the loader can conceivably retreive them from the eeprom if it is there
  • [22:12:48] <panto> jkridner, the cape loader only cares about getting hold of a binary blob
  • [22:13:26] <panto> at the moment it gets it via calling request firmware for a file matching the cape
  • [22:13:48] <panto> if/when a dt fragment is stored in the cape, it can retrieve it from there
  • [22:13:49] <ds2> the normal distributors are already upset
  • [22:13:51] <jkridner> k??? and that blob is just a compiled devicetree (dtbs).
  • [22:14:11] <jkridner> ds2: are you talking about the eStore thing?
  • [22:14:34] <jkridner> ds2: who got upset?
  • [22:14:37] <panto> jkridner, I call it a dtbo, which is a dtb with some extra information about resolution and overlay application
  • [22:15:20] <ds2> jkridner: no. the "new" model for doing things and turning BB into CircuitCo
  • [22:15:27] <ds2> so promoting or not don't matter
  • [22:15:42] <joel_> With kernel 3.8-rc1, init program in my filesystem hangs at "getty", . getty is invoked as follows: "/sbin/getty 115200 ttyO0" . I hacked execve and it shows me the process respawning, but I don't seem to be able to figure why it wouldn't take me to a login prompt. Any debug ideas or other suggestions? Thx.
  • [22:16:13] <jkridner> ds2: please be specific. there isn't a new model.
  • [22:16:29] <jkridner> engagement is an organic thing.
  • [22:17:39] * jkridner wasn't a fan of the eStore promotion and hoped it would go quietly away.
  • [22:18:26] <mph__> yeah, $24 on the price of a beagle was'nt going ot make a lot of difference to me
  • [22:18:36] <mph__> i was going to buy a bunch of them anyway
  • [22:18:45] <mph__> so, all that happened is osmeone lost some $$$
  • [22:19:35] <mph__> jkridner: do you work for TI?
  • [22:19:40] <jkridner> yes.
  • [22:19:58] <mranostay> $24 could buy some nice craft beers
  • [22:20:44] <jkridner> mmmm??? I have some more kuhnhenn 4th dementia in the garage right now??? nice and cold.
  • [22:21:13] <mph__> mranostay: when i am in SF next, i'll buy you some ok
  • [22:22:09] <mph__> jkridner: any idea what it will take to port linux to the ICE boards?
  • [22:23:05] <jkridner> I think there are some on-line materials for porting Linux to Bone that should retarget the ICE boards fairly easily.
  • [22:23:38] <jkridner> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Sitara_Linux_Training:_Linux_Board_Port
  • [22:24:03] <_av500_> ICE?
  • [22:24:18] <_av500_> aint that a 355x on them?
  • [22:24:23] <_av500_> does that not run Linux?
  • [22:25:02] <jkridner> yeah, 335x??? minor peripheral changes??? just a tiny bit of reconfiguration of memory, etc.
  • [22:25:12] <jkridner> a stretch of the word 'port'.
  • [22:27:18] <mdp> jkridner, I think you miss what the training is about :) it's common terminology to call board enablement of the kernel a "board port"
  • [22:27:30] <jkridner> panto: what is the behavior of version? will an old version dtbo be loaded for a newer version cape?
  • [22:28:45] <panto> jkridner, I don't quite understand the question - the capes are matches against the part-number/version tuple
  • [22:28:47] <jkridner> mdp: agree it is one common usage and I didn't question it until questioned. others would avoid calling it a port and reserve that word for more fundamental architecture changes.
  • [22:28:52] <panto> *are matched
  • [22:28:57] <jkridner> 1-1?
  • [22:29:03] <mdp> it's always been called a board port
  • [22:29:22] <jkridner> panto: my concerned is that new hardware might break.
  • [22:29:22] <panto> jkridner, yes
  • [22:29:30] <jkridner> in cases where it would be compatible.
  • [22:29:53] <panto> well, in that case ln -s old-version.dtbo new-version.dtbo
  • [22:30:07] <mdp> jkridner, I think the objection is when people recompile a portable C package and call it a "port" :)
  • [22:30:30] <panto> or you could have a capemap entry that maps part numbers+revisions to a filename to point to the same file
  • [22:30:31] <mdp> a custom board BSP is often non-trivial :)
  • [22:34:50] <panto> time to crash now
  • [22:35:00] <djlewis> BSD
  • [22:35:10] <mranostay> panto: watch the trees
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  • [22:45:24] <mdp> djlewis: porting BSD to Linux
  • [22:47:04] * djlewis works on PC's with Microslof os all day long
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  • [22:55:24] <joel_> robclark: as you were looking at the config option, did you figure out that rcu related config option causing the boot issue?
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  • [22:56:23] <robclark> joel_, no, I just got to a working config and left it at that.. figuring that it would sort itself out upstream
  • [22:57:38] <joel_> ah ok, cool
  • [22:58:25] <mranostay> ka6sox-away: emeb: you have any demo's for the fpga cape?
  • [23:00:31] <emeb> mranostay: two blinking LEDs not enough for you? :P
  • [23:01:01] <mdp> emeb, my mgmt was happy with just one blinking LED
  • [23:01:10] <mdp> two is total overkill
  • [23:01:19] <aholler_> it blinks, sell it
  • [23:01:31] <emeb> And Buttons - don't forget the buttons (which currently gate off the LEDs)
  • [23:02:10] <mdp> you make Locutus a button and there could be 1K units I can move.
  • [23:02:25] <emeb> mranostay: I've got a few different designs that I've done in the past for the Beagleboard FPGA. Wouldn't be hard to convert.
  • [23:03:14] <emeb> eg: SPI<->GPIO pins, SPI->RF DDS, SPI->audio tone generator, etc.
  • [23:03:41] <ds2> RF DDS in a FPGA?!
  • [23:03:48] <emeb> ds2: yep
  • [23:04:12] <emeb> Using this -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/txdac/index.html
  • [23:04:20] <mranostay> can you bit bang it though?
  • [23:04:42] <ds2> you cheated
  • [23:04:48] <emeb> Oh?
  • [23:04:55] <ds2> u used the TXDAC
  • [23:05:07] <ds2> thought you somehow manage to do that on the FPGA itself
  • [23:05:32] <emeb> ds2: how would the FPGA generate clean RF tones w/o a good DAC?
  • [23:05:41] <prpplague> what is that ladies name that does the ray bradbury music video, she needs to do one on bitbanging
  • [23:05:46] <ds2> donno, hence the excitment that you might have figured a way of doing it :D
  • [23:05:51] <emeb> heh
  • [23:06:11] <emeb> the DAC is pretty cheap - <$10. The NCO and Sine LUT is all in the FPGA.
  • [23:06:33] <ds2> but there are single chip DDS's
  • [23:06:53] <emeb> yeah - with NCO, SineLUT and DAC in one pkg.
  • [23:07:16] <ds2> thin ADI makes those too
  • [23:07:21] <emeb> yup.
  • [23:07:34] <_av500_> gn
  • [23:07:36] <emeb> pretty nice ones too, but they limit the waveform you can generate.
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  • [23:07:56] <_av500_> emeb: can they do cowbell?
  • [23:08:32] <ds2> I am happy if it can do just sin... sin + cos would be nice though
  • [23:09:29] <emeb> _av500_: let's build one and see!
  • [23:09:50] <_av500_> ds2: and tan? and arctan?
  • [23:09:50] <emeb> ds2: need an IQDAC for that.
  • [23:10:33] <emeb> _av500_: I'd like to see cosh & sinh
  • [23:10:48] <ds2> _av500_: nope.
  • [23:10:57] <ds2> just want quad. output
  • [23:11:05] <ds2> useful for feeding DBMs
  • [23:11:06] <emeb> TXDAC trolling
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  • [23:17:14] <robclark> _av500_, cowbell cape :-P
  • [23:18:20] <emeb> do a kickstarter for that idea!
  • [23:21:42] <mdp> I'm in!
  • [23:22:05] <mdp> is there an executive premiere platinum backer level?
  • [23:22:59] <robclark> the 'more cowbell' level :-P
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  • [23:31:20] <emeb> yeah - and after it funds we send out an email saying that the development schedule is pushed back 6 months.
  • [23:31:24] <emeb> repeat as required.
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  • [23:42:14] <aholler_> some people collected $130,000 to let an rgb-led blink over usb.
  • [23:43:40] <prpplague> wow
  • [23:43:57] <prpplague> _av500_: think of all the money we could have made with a ft2232 and the beacon board
  • [23:45:06] <emeb> pretty amazing what you can get away with on KS.
  • [23:46:53] <mranostay> kansas?
  • [23:47:24] <CareBear\> kickstarter
  • [23:49:17] <mranostay> is that like kansas?
  • [23:50:08] <mph__> look at all the people who bought shares in facebook
  • [23:50:13] <mph__> gee there was a smart idea
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