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[00:17:48] <mranostay> hi again
[00:19:30] <mranostay> ik__: well clearly the image isn't complete or corrupted
[00:19:44] <mranostay> or you have a bad SD card
[00:19:57] * mru suspects failure to unmount/sync properly
[00:20:09] <ik__> hmm
[00:21:42] <ik__> i just scp'd from /boot to /media/mmcblk0p1/uImage and synced
[00:22:05] <mranostay> did you try unmouting
[00:22:20] <ik__> before copying it over?
[00:23:57] <mranostay> er no
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[00:25:13] <ik__> After syncing I just reset the BB...
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[00:32:06] <ik__> so just to make sure I'm not missing something obvious, is updating the kernel as simple as replacing the old image with the new one on the SD card?
[00:33:05] <mranostay> in the theory if it is the correct one
[00:33:29] <mru> if they are compatible, yes
[00:33:48] <mru> if the new kernel needs a different command line that will have to be adjusted
[00:34:09] <mranostay> yeah but you would get farther than CRC error :)
[00:34:30] <mru> oh yes
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[00:37:27] <mranostay> heh the PRU has a nice amount of GP registers
[00:37:48] <mru> just shy of 30 iirc
[00:37:58] <mranostay> awesome
[00:38:13] <mru> note how the multiplier is wired up
[00:38:24] <mranostay> ?
[00:38:34] <mru> there isn't a multiply instruction as such
[00:39:04] <mru> you just put the operands in two registers and read the result back from a third
[00:39:31] <mru> something like r26-r28
[00:40:08] <mranostay> ah
[00:40:28] <mranostay> the price you pay for everying being one clock cycle?
[00:40:36] <ik__> thanks for your help guys. Out of curiosity (and inexperience), is there a reason why opkg update/upgrade did not automatically download the new 3.0.28 kernel? Could it be b/c it is incompatible or something else?
[00:40:44] <mru> every cycle it multiplies whatever is in the operand registers and puts the product it in the destination register
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[00:40:56] <mranostay> ik__: it should download whatever is in the feed
[00:41:06] <mru> there's also a multiply-accumulate mode
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[00:41:33] <mru> in that mode, a mac is triggered by writing to a control register
[00:41:36] <mru> it's all in the manual
[00:41:45] <mranostay> yes i'm reading it now
[00:42:45] <mranostay> what assembly syntax is pasm using?
[00:42:57] <mru> its own I'd imagine
[00:43:09] <mru> it should be documented somewhere
[00:44:48] <ik__> mranostay: i looked at the feed [http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/core/ipk/eglibc/armv7a/machine/beagleboard/] and that image is there... that's where I manually downloaded it from. I just didn't know if it can somehow be incompatible
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[06:18:45] <mranostay> _av500_: is my beer choice acceptable? :)
[06:32:13] <ka6sox-away> it'll do
[06:35:34] * mranostay is curious about the github key prop time..
[06:37:06] <mranostay> mdp: this PRU stuff is addicting :)
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[06:48:55] <mranostay> welcome mr Russ
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[06:57:28] <dm8tbr> mranostay: has a end-of-caturday sprint...
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[06:58:17] <ka6sox-away> the only one missing was "no, I will NOT fix your computer"
[06:58:59] <mranostay> heh
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[07:06:52] <mranostay> ka6sox-away: is that a request? :P
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[07:29:42] <_av500_> mranostay: I was told spaten causes headaches
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[07:31:01] <mranostay> _av500_: from who?
[07:31:07] <_av500_> Munich people
[07:31:18] <_av500_> but you probably get some watered down export stuff :)
[07:31:24] <mranostay> hey!
[07:32:08] <mranostay> _av500_: did they drink 12 bottles? :)
[07:32:17] <_av500_> probably
[07:32:25] <_av500_> one glass full is 1 liter, you know
[07:32:42] <mranostay> you live outside of FRA right?
[07:32:59] <mranostay> does Frankfurt have a Oktoberfest of any scale?
[07:37:26] <mranostay> _av500_: why was Edinburgh picked for ELCE 2013? :)
[07:37:55] <mranostay> Munich would have been so much better and easier for most people to get visas that required it
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[07:45:39] <_av500_> mranostay: there is only 1 oktoberfest
[07:45:46] <_av500_> it is in munich
[07:45:55] <_av500_> beer otoh can be had in many places
[07:46:26] <mranostay> need to visit Germany at some point
[07:46:36] <mranostay> i'm mostly of german heritage
[07:47:25] <_av500_> come any time
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[07:47:53] <mranostay> yeah the problem is vacation time at my current company sucks
[07:48:17] <mranostay> and they are going to the nvidia model of no set time off....
[07:48:40] <_av500_> why not keep people at the desk 24/7?
[07:48:59] <_av500_> I mean, lesss traffic jams
[07:49:25] <mranostay> that is what they want..
[07:50:44] <KotH> a wonderfull snows sunday morning everyone!
[07:50:53] <mranostay> not here
[07:51:05] <mranostay> <-- dealt with snow for 24 years and that was too long
[07:51:21] <_av500_> arf, I knew not to trust US shirt sizes
[07:51:35] <mranostay> _av500_: woot?
[07:51:35] <KotH> too small?
[07:51:45] <mranostay> i'm a medium for reference
[07:52:05] <KotH> mranostay: there can't be enough snow in winter
[07:53:06] <mranostay> zero snow here and that is how i likes it
[07:53:56] * KotH sends mranostay to a work camp in sibiria
[07:54:10] <_av500_> KotH: it will be after a washing :(
[07:54:53] <_av500_> mranostay: google t-shirts are the most fun, they say XL and fit my kids
[07:55:13] <mranostay> _av500_: there is no standard
[07:55:32] <mranostay> at least shoes are somewhat so
[07:56:25] <_av500_> mranostay: this shop had measurement for the sizes
[07:56:27] <_av500_> all bollocks
[07:56:36] <_av500_> I'll stick to 3xl always
[07:56:40] <_av500_> that worked in the pas
[07:56:41] <_av500_> past
[07:56:46] <mranostay> heh
[07:56:53] <KotH> _av500_: where did you buy it?
[07:56:57] <mranostay> is there a giant size?
[07:57:03] <KotH> _av500_: so i know not to buy there anything :)
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[07:57:37] <mranostay> i've noticed i only wear shirts of companies i never worked at or previously worked at. at work :)
[07:58:02] <KotH> coincidence? i think not!
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[08:01:09] <_av500_> KotH: qwertee.com
[08:04:54] <KotH> _av500_: uhmm...
[08:05:03] <KotH> _av500_: you've read the title of the page?
[08:05:16] <KotH> _av500_: "_cheap_ [..] t-shirts"
[08:07:29] <mranostay> _av500_: order one of each size to be sure
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[08:44:25] <_av500_> KotH: yes, its cheap
[08:44:29] <_av500_> thin fabric
[08:44:41] <_av500_> still its too small and the size measurements were bogus
[08:52:06] <KotH> you get what you pay for
[08:55:40] <KotH> and if you wouldnt be so cheap, you could get good stuff
[08:56:14] <KotH> like me, i'm currently eating a delicious spr?ngli chocolate-organge cake :)
[08:57:25] <dm8tbr> it's the season again: http://www.foxtrot.com/2010/12/12192010/
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[09:09:22] <KotH> as we know, there is one red shirt who survived
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[15:24:53] <xenome> does ubuntu 12.04 support the SGX drivers?
[15:25:10] <xenome> and if so, does it require a manual kernel compile?
[15:28:55] <woglinde> hm sgx should work
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[16:45:37] <xenome> out of the box?
[16:46:32] <xenome> i've seen a couple images floating around, what's the best source, the ones from Robert Nelson?
[16:46:41] <xenome> I thought I read somewhere that the ubuntu images underclocked the CPU
[16:46:59] <mru> if there were a single best, there wouldn't be so many
[16:47:40] <xenome> I'm just really after the best quality h264 playback in a browser I can muster
[16:48:01] <xenome> so I figured that absolutely required the SGX drivers, am I mistaken?
[16:48:29] <xenome> i'm also a little confused on the lack of omapfb in 12.10 (looks like it's still in 12.04), are those deprecated?
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[17:29:47] <cool_boy> Hi all !
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[18:32:40] <_av500_> all Hi
[18:33:00] <_av500_> xenome: sgx helps little for H264
[18:33:21] <_av500_> it might speed up color conversion if you use shaders for that
[18:33:23] <woglinde> av500 psst dont discourage him
[18:33:28] <_av500_> but the actual decode is all on the CPU
[18:33:41] <xenome> oh
[18:34:07] <woglinde> ah right he needs dsp!
[18:34:10] <mru> on a beagle you _really_ should use dss for colour conversion
[18:34:13] <_av500_> erm, bone or BB?
[18:34:27] <_av500_> mru: that wont do planar to packed
[18:34:39] <mru> that's trivial to do fast enough in neon
[18:34:45] <_av500_> true that
[18:35:02] <_av500_> im too much in omap4 android mindset already :)
[18:35:16] <woglinde> av500 *g*
[18:35:19] <_av500_> using the sgxy might even slow stuff down as the mem BW might go up
[18:35:29] <_av500_> and you dont want that on omap3
[18:35:31] <mru> my point
[18:35:41] <_av500_> so, on BB, use the DSP for SD resolution H264
[18:35:45] <_av500_> on bone, cry
[18:35:56] <mru> for sd resolution, the a8 is plenty fast enough
[18:36:02] <_av500_> depedns
[18:36:04] <_av500_> not HP
[18:36:09] <mru> depends on bitrate
[18:36:15] <mru> if you have insane bitrate, no
[18:36:16] <_av500_> and CABAC!! :)
[18:36:20] <xenome> are you guys using angstrom or ubuntu primary?
[18:36:26] <xenome> primarily rather
[18:36:28] * _av500_ uses Linux
[18:36:30] <mru> for sane bitrates of a few Mbps, it's fine
[18:36:32] <woglinde> android for the win
[18:36:34] <woglinde> haha
[18:36:48] <_av500_> xenome: bone or BB?
[18:36:52] <xenome> bbxm
[18:36:57] <_av500_> ah ok
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[18:37:01] <_av500_> so you can do h264 on the DSP
[18:37:02] <woglinde> any xenome why you need a fast h264 browser?
[18:37:15] <_av500_> utube
[18:37:17] <mru> on xm @1GHz, the a8 can decode any sd
[18:37:18] <woglinde> sime in market commercials device?
[18:37:27] <woglinde> oh porn
[18:37:29] <woglinde> yes
[18:37:59] <xenome> oh yeah, all of the above
[18:38:01] <xenome> ls
[18:38:09] <_av500_> mru: using the dsp might free the arm for other stuff
[18:38:15] <_av500_> like doing all that .js files
[18:38:21] <woglinde> *g*
[18:38:22] <mru> sure, if you can get dsp codecs
[18:38:28] <_av500_> that seem en vogue these days
[18:38:47] <woglinde> av500 can the dsp run all bitrates?
[18:38:54] <mru> of course not
[18:38:58] <woglinde> ;)
[18:39:08] <xenome> i'm perhaps mixing apples/oranges, but does uEnv.txt replace boot.cmd and boot.scr?
[18:39:08] <mru> but a8+dsp > a8
[18:39:39] <woglinde> xenome for uEnv.txt you can use plain text
[18:39:53] <woglinde> and yes the latest u-boot use it
[18:40:33] <xenome> I tried downloading the narcissis image, and it doesn't have a boot.scr set by default....and my bb comes up a 640 and a monitor that blinks quite frequently
[18:41:20] <woglinde> o.O
[18:41:29] <woglinde> yes its using uEnv.txt
[18:41:53] <xenome> but it does have a directory full of scripts, but no uEnv.txt file
[18:42:12] <xenome> so the XM doesn't have NAND, it just jumps to the mmc and looks for MLO
[18:42:26] <xenome> which then calls uboot, which then would read the scripts?
[18:42:33] <xenome> or in the updated version, uEnv.txt
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[18:46:27] <xenome> sorry, that was a question
[18:49:20] <_av500_> a full image should have Uenv.xtx
[18:49:23] <_av500_> txt even
[18:49:39] <_av500_> no idea what anrcissus outputs, but thew demo images or what ships with the XM has that for sure
[18:54:19] <xenome> yeah the demo image seems to work best for me
[18:54:38] <xenome> do I need to do anything special to get youtube working?
[18:55:04] <xenome> i don't want to install flash - doesn't youtube support h264?
[18:55:23] <jacekowski> for some videos it can do html5
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[19:06:05] <thurbad> html 5 uses h264 in /some/ browsers
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[19:06:36] <mru> youtube has h264 of all videos
[19:06:41] <mru> if you can figure out how to get it
[19:07:10] <thurbad> yes, but not all browsers support h264 in html 5
[19:07:30] <mru> true
[19:07:50] <dm8tbr> koen: boardzoo website seems to be broken
[19:07:51] <xenome> it does work for html5
[19:07:59] <mru> it's the 90s all over again
[19:08:20] <xenome> there looks to be a little bit of a sync delay though
[19:09:18] <xenome> the fonts don't look super awesome in running the demo image, is there anything I can do about that? They don't look antialiased
[19:12:02] <xenome> though they do look much better after selecting subpixel smoothing
[19:13:39] <KotH> mru: <blink>you mean the browser wars and all those incompatible html extensions</blink>
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[19:14:07] <KotH> <img src=rotating_questionmark.giv>
[19:14:10] <KotH> gif*
[19:14:16] <dm8tbr> fphover.jar
[19:14:29] <mru> http://www.textfiles.com/underconstruction/
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[19:26:52] <xenome> does the demo image not load the SGX drivers as kernel modules?
[19:26:59] <xenome> i see no mention of them in dmesg
[19:29:21] <mranostay> hello friends and countrymen
[19:30:51] <thurbad> check lsmod?
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[19:32:04] <xenome> i have omaplfb and pvrsrvkm in kernel/drivers/gpu
[19:32:22] <xenome> but they're not shown as loaded
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[19:48:38] <alan_o> Hi mranostay
[19:48:47] <alan_o> What's new on the left coast?
[19:49:02] <alan_o> Did I read correctly that you're working today?
[19:51:48] <xenome> should the bbxm demo image have a uEnv.txt file?
[19:52:06] <_av500_> xenome: think so
[19:53:06] <xenome> hmm, mine does not, nor does it have a boot.scr file
[19:53:22] <xenome> lookings like it's using ubut-bb-2001.2r75
[19:53:26] <xenome> 2011 rather
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[20:02:59] <Crofton> it is/was raining
[20:03:03] <Crofton> they are all panicing
[20:03:15] <ds2> where is the ARK?!?!?
[20:03:47] <Crofton> wait, the sun just came out
[20:05:28] <_av500_> I heard CA was drowning
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[20:24:47] <xenome> anyone recognize the error: PVRShell: Unable to initliase EGL - I'm trying to run the SGX demos
[20:25:00] <_av500_> yes
[20:25:09] <_av500_> often reported by peole that try to run the SGX demos
[20:25:13] <_av500_> people
[20:25:41] <xenome> it looks like I might have to change the uEnv.txt, but I'm not sure if that's really the problem
[20:25:50] <xenome> as I don't have one at the moment :)
[20:26:15] <KotH> maybe the problem is a lack of understanding ^^'
[20:26:25] <xenome> oh I'm sure it is
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[20:26:50] <KotH> you know what uenv.txt is for?
[20:27:06] <KotH> and why you would need to change it?
[20:27:10] <xenome> setting the uboot env variables
[20:27:24] <xenome> the only hit I got on that error was a discussion about having to force 16-bit mode in the fb
[20:28:06] <xenome> since I don't have that file at the moment, I'm guessing uboot just sets the default found in /proc/cmdline
[20:28:19] <xenome> omapdss.def_disp=dvi
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[21:34:02] <mranostay> KotH: weekend trolling?
[21:34:43] <mru> trolling is omnitemporal
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[21:50:36] <mranostay> is trolling is lifestyle choice or are you born with it? :)
[21:51:03] <mru> I think I was born with it
[21:51:13] <mru> I remember doing it when I was 3 or 4
[21:52:50] <mranostay> your poor parents
[21:55:06] <mru> one occasion I clearly recall involved my grandmothers
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[22:09:02] <mranostay> mru: go on
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[22:23:31] <mranostay> mru: trolling the college thread? :)
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[22:24:53] <mru> no, just offering my opinion
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[22:40:24] <xenome> do you have an opinion on midori+html5 support under ubuntu, I can't seem to get that to work
[22:40:31] <xenome> works fine in angstrom
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