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  • [01:03:41] <bob_> hi, I'm new to computing/computing in linux environments, so I apologize if this is a bad question, When I got my beaglebone I set it up and loaded the cloud9 IDE, everything worked great. Today I loaded the newest angstrom distribution, everything with it seems fine, however I've been getting this error when I try to connect to the cloud9 IDE through the beaglebone website "Error: ENOENT, No such file or directory '/usr/share/cloud9/serv
  • [01:04:25] <bob_> Did I do something wrong? Is the server down today?
  • [01:04:27] <thurbad> are you using cloud9 or angstrom?
  • [01:04:55] <bob_> I have angstrom on the beaglebone. I was attempting to connect to cloud9 through the beaglebone website
  • [01:05:15] <bob_> I took the SD with the OS on it out of the beagleboard
  • [01:05:20] <bob_> to connect to cloud9
  • [01:05:41] <bob_> beaglebone*
  • [01:07:52] <bob_> I followed the website's quickstart instructions
  • [01:09:12] <thurbad> so you're running an the cloud9 stuff now?
  • [01:14:32] <bob_> I am trying to
  • [01:14:38] <bob_> unsuccessfully
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  • [01:17:38] <bob_> i seem to be getting that error only after I've downloaded the newest version of the beaglbone OS
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  • [01:24:12] <thurbad> what you put on a different SD shouldn't affect cloud9
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  • [01:24:53] <bob_> any thoughts on what it might be?
  • [01:25:01] <newperson> Hi, how to use the timer4 pin with bonescript?
  • [01:30:39] <newperson> hello?
  • [01:31:50] <bob_> I also sometime get "server not found"
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  • [01:39:28] <newperson> is it possible to set spi clock speed in bonescript
  • [01:40:44] <mranostay> god why?
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  • [01:44:20] <mranostay> howdy pfefferz
  • [01:44:34] <newperson> hi mranostay
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  • [01:48:15] <newperson> hello anyone on?
  • [01:48:52] <mranostay> nope
  • [01:49:41] <newperson> is it possible to change spi clk speed with bonescript?
  • [01:49:57] <ka6sox-away> why would you want to do that?
  • [01:50:24] <newperson> im hooking it to a 16bit ADC
  • [01:50:30] <newperson> and I need 1mhz clock
  • [01:50:46] <newperson> for that ADC*
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  • [01:52:10] <mranostay> newperson: and why aren't you using the AIN on the bone?
  • [01:53:28] <newperson> because on board one is only 8 bit is not precise enough for my data gathering
  • [01:53:49] <mranostay> it is 12-bits
  • [01:55:05] <newperson> i need 16 bit though im dealing with a big range and need small steps
  • [01:55:50] <mranostay> you really can't do that spi stuff in userspace. sanely
  • [01:56:45] <newperson> but i can set it a certain speed in python or something and still use bone script to run. correct?
  • [01:59:30] <ds2> is that a challenge?
  • [02:01:52] <mdp> the proper way to do it is to write an iio adc driver for your spi adc..it drives at whatever clock speed
  • [02:02:11] <mdp> and then you suck data from a convenient ring buffer that's part of the iio userspace api
  • [02:03:13] <mranostay> mdp: but can i bit bang it?
  • [02:03:34] <mranostay> newperson: note where i said sane.
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  • [02:05:24] <mdp> mranostay, you can, but I will publicly ridicule you
  • [02:05:47] <mdp> linus will personally signal you as his #1 favorite developer too
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  • [02:21:53] <prpplague> alan_o: re
  • [02:21:55] * prpplague wonders
  • [02:22:02] <prpplague> is a three page resume a "bad thing" ?
  • [02:22:14] * prpplague wonders
  • [02:22:28] <prpplague> is using "synergy" in a resume a "bad thing" ?
  • [02:22:30] <mdp> there's no rule
  • [02:22:38] <mdp> prpplague: synergy is always welcome
  • [02:22:50] * prpplague wonders
  • [02:22:55] <mdp> prpplague: I can offer you a slide
  • [02:23:03] <prpplague> is using "experience with the use of bonescript" in a resume a "bad thing" ?
  • [02:23:29] <mdp> add keywords to that "node.jfs" "badass" "rockstar"
  • [02:23:42] <mdp> jfs!
  • [02:23:49] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:24:08] <mdp> this means I need to go vegetate and visit with beer and my personal assistant
  • [02:24:09] <mdp> bbt
  • [02:24:30] <alan_o> personal assistant.....
  • [02:24:51] <prpplague> mdp: add a QR code on the resume that when scanned that takes you to a url that has "I AM A PROGRAMMING GOD!"
  • [02:25:19] <prpplague> alan_o: see that is blackmail material
  • [02:25:34] <prpplague> alan_o: send that quote to his "assistant"
  • [02:25:38] <alan_o> prpplague: hehe
  • [02:26:12] <prpplague> alan_o: ELC-2013?
  • [02:26:13] <alan_o> prpplague: 3 page resume isn't bad. Just call it a CV. That's what medical people do.
  • [02:26:35] <alan_o> yeah, I need to get on that....
  • [02:26:42] <alan_o> I didn't see a deadline. I should check that again.
  • [02:27:40] <alan_o> prpplague: Jan 4, CFP closed, Jan 14, accept/reject noification
  • [02:27:45] <prpplague> alan_o: hehe, yea, we call it a CV in our house anyway during conversations
  • [02:27:57] <prpplague> alan_o: yea short deadline
  • [02:28:16] <alan_o> I'm more having a chuckle at the 10 days between close and notification :)
  • [02:28:31] <alan_o> We should set and over/under.
  • [02:28:36] <prpplague> alan_o: i should get a bunch of purple swag shirts made to give away that read "I am Plague"
  • [02:28:59] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:29:05] <alan_o> yeah man. And we could all hand out your resume when people ask what it is...
  • [02:29:13] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:29:15] <alan_o> "I'm glad you asked"
  • [02:29:17] * prpplague makes a note
  • [02:29:36] * prpplague needs something fun for ELC-2013
  • [02:29:41] <alan_o> hey, we get 50 minutes to talk at ELC-SF
  • [02:29:52] <prpplague> alan_o: ?
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  • [02:30:14] <alan_o> We got 45 in spain
  • [02:30:30] <prpplague> alan_o: elce this last time was a nightmare on planning
  • [02:30:33] * alan_o just learned that ctrl-w logs out of the channel.
  • [02:30:48] <prpplague> alan_o: LF kind of screwed ELC on this
  • [02:30:59] <alan_o> screwed ELC in favor of LC?
  • [02:31:00] <prpplague> alan_o: that is why the next set of conferences are not at the same time
  • [02:31:04] <prpplague> yea
  • [02:31:18] <alan_o> I wonder what the people at LC are doing.
  • [02:31:26] * prpplague grumbles
  • [02:31:33] <prpplague> i really need to finish updating my CV
  • [02:31:53] <alan_o> Do you get work with your CV?
  • [02:32:01] <alan_o> I've found that I don't really need it since being independent
  • [02:32:08] <alan_o> people aren't interested in seeing it for the most part
  • [02:32:16] <alan_o> recruiters are, but they're mostly useless anyway
  • [02:32:28] <alan_o> (mostly, a couple good ones that I like)
  • [02:32:52] <alan_o> Slide Due Date: We would very much appreciate it if you could please submit your slides (in .PDF format only) by February 13th.
  • [02:32:52] <prpplague> alan_o: i find it more of a "confirmation" than anything else
  • [02:33:05] <alan_o> "slide due date" is another chuckle
  • [02:33:09] <prpplague> indeed
  • [02:33:19] <alan_o> I know multiple people who were up all night the night before their talks this time
  • [02:33:47] <alan_o> I mean up all night working on slides
  • [02:34:22] <alan_o> LF has no leverage over presenters
  • [02:34:34] <alan_o> because they're not paying them anything, and they _need_ presenters.
  • [02:35:09] <alan_o> You know what I'd like to see, is a presenter's guide that goes out before the show
  • [02:35:22] <alan_o> there are a lot of people who make a lot of easy mistakes
  • [02:35:34] <alan_o> and it's just because they don't know
  • [02:36:00] <alan_o> stuff like, when someone asks a question, repeat the question into the mic. Even Linus messed that up.
  • [02:36:28] <alan_o> It'd also be nice to be told what the resolution and size of the projector will be, so we can plan for font sizes.
  • [02:37:02] <alan_o> or have some kind of guideline. "we recommend size $POINTS or larger of $FONT" or whatever
  • [02:39:55] <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
  • [02:40:27] <alan_o> prpplague: I'm telling you this in case you're on the committee next time :)
  • [02:40:36] <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
  • [02:40:48] <prpplague> alan_o: indeed
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  • [02:40:59] <prpplague> alan_o: think i will put something together
  • [02:41:12] <alan_o> Also, what the heck was with the lecturns? I was in my presentation room the night before and had the guy move the cables to the little table.
  • [02:41:16] <prpplague> alan_o: so i figured out a couple things last time
  • [02:41:28] <alan_o> yeah?
  • [02:41:54] <prpplague> alan_o: i'm doing some small business cards with the resource page url and my contact info , maybe a qr code or something
  • [02:42:05] <prpplague> alan_o: get some of those cheap black and white 250 cards deals
  • [02:42:11] <alan_o> prpplague: oh, nice...
  • [02:42:15] <alan_o> vistaprint for free
  • [02:42:18] <prpplague> yea
  • [02:42:30] <alan_o> I saw people taking pictures of my contact info slide
  • [02:42:36] <prpplague> yea
  • [02:42:38] <prpplague> mine too
  • [02:42:50] <prpplague> that way after the show they can just grab one
  • [02:42:56] <alan_o> The cool thing about OSS is that we're all so easy to find.
  • [02:43:16] <prpplague> the other is is i am going to add a survey url on the back of the card with some sort of give away
  • [02:43:20] <prpplague> so i can get some feedback
  • [02:43:58] <alan_o> hmmm.
  • [02:43:59] <alan_o> eah
  • [02:44:00] <alan_o> yeah
  • [02:44:06] <prpplague> alan_o: hey, just because people know they can find me in the closest bar is not a feature of OSS
  • [02:44:12] <alan_o> "free iPad to first 200 people to fill out my survey"
  • [02:44:17] <prpplague> yea
  • [02:44:19] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:44:25] <alan_o> prpplague: hah!
  • [02:44:58] <alan_o> I could give away one of my capes!
  • [02:46:09] <alan_o> "first 50 respondants get exact steps"
  • [02:46:12] <alan_o> the rest can google
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  • [02:53:37] <prpplague> alan_o: mranostay can make the first 50 people radiactive to test his cape
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  • [02:55:07] <alan_o> prpplague: first 50 people get to swallow a cesium test disc.
  • [02:55:27] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:57:05] <prpplague> alan_o: "normally for this part of the demo it is very boring, but fortunately, thanks to the linux foundation, we have imported all the chairs for the conference from fukushima...."
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  • [02:58:46] <alan_o> "person in the most radioactive chair wins a gift card" (passes the Geiger counter around)
  • [03:00:02] <prpplague> haha
  • [03:00:24] <prpplague> alan_o: and a free scrub down by the local TSA reps
  • [03:00:42] <alan_o> prpplague: you had me at scrub down.... lost me at TSA
  • [03:00:46] <prpplague> hehe
  • [03:01:15] <prpplague> alan_o: any more info would violate the LF guides
  • [03:01:37] * alan_o checks his copy of the LF policy guide....
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  • [03:03:50] <prpplague> oh lord the koen has arrived
  • [03:04:24] <alan_o> I think that's just his IRC client... Either that or he gets up at 4AM.... could be either
  • [03:04:58] <alan_o> CareBear\ seems to be always on in the middle of the night
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  • [03:05:06] <alan_o> I'm not sure he sleeps
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  • [03:05:52] <sylnuxu> hi I have my first beagle bone
  • [03:06:13] <ka6sox-away> koen sleeps?
  • [03:06:21] <sylnuxu> someone, can help me with a cheaper display for this board
  • [03:06:44] <sylnuxu> lcd with minima 800*600 pixels of resolution
  • [03:06:49] <alan_o> maybe not, but he at least gets away from the insanity that is #beagle for a few hours.
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  • [03:10:58] <ds2> thought he just has to avoid the sun and holy water?
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  • [03:29:03] <prpplague> argh
  • [03:29:21] <prpplague> who would have thought that updating your CV would take so much effort
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  • [03:32:05] <alan_o> prpplague: I feel like that with _everything_
  • [03:32:34] <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
  • [03:32:47] * prpplague wonders if alan_o has some critters
  • [03:32:54] <prpplague> pfefferz: hey crack baby
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  • [03:33:27] <alan_o> prpplague: no critters here... well there's a turtle. it's my wife's
  • [03:33:42] <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
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  • [03:58:15] <ds2> no domesticated gators?
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  • [04:00:12] <CareBear\> alan_o : hey there
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  • [04:01:54] <alan_o> hey......
  • [04:01:59] <alan_o> ds2: hehe
  • [04:02:11] <alan_o> CareBear\: Still up?
  • [04:02:52] <alan_o> ds2: I don't know anyone who has one of those actually. I wonder what the legality is.
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  • [04:03:56] <CareBear\> alan_o : yep
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  • [04:06:05] <ds2> alan_o: just tell them it wandered in
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  • [04:09:01] <alan_o> ds2: "but officer, it's not mine... really."
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  • [04:51:41] <Russ> prpplague, tex?
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  • [04:53:43] <prpplague> Russ: ??
  • [04:53:55] <Russ> your cv, is it is TeX?
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  • [04:58:49] <ds2> systems work so much better when RAM is sane
  • [04:59:32] <Russ> man, it's really frustrating programming when it isn't
  • [04:59:50] <Russ> if (i >=5 && (i > 5 || i == 5))...
  • [05:00:05] <Russ> gotta check everything at least twice
  • [05:00:12] <ds2> if you get that far...
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  • [05:06:48] <prpplague> hehe, made posts on /. and hackaday in the same day, hehe
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  • [05:07:27] <Russ> where's your funny cat video?
  • [05:07:39] <prpplague> Russ: working on it
  • [05:07:45] <Russ> http://imgur.com/gallery/uEBLN
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  • [05:14:13] <prpplague> hehe https://plus.google.com/u/0/109993695638569781190/posts/34PYU79eUqP
  • [05:15:38] <ds2> prpplague: sound like the 1700 has been choosen and informed?
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  • [05:18:06] <Russ> was the 20th the day?
  • [05:19:07] <ds2> Russ: are you at all in that line of fire?
  • [05:19:40] <Russ> I don't think so, I think its all wireless and that jazz
  • [05:20:09] <ds2> Russ: hmmm so that means a lot of Linux guys will be loose in the sea?
  • [05:21:49] <Russ> I suppose so
  • [05:22:04] <Russ> if managers are smart, they'll move the valuable ones around, like khilman
  • [05:22:23] <ds2> managers and smart? heard of dilbert? ;)
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  • [06:22:17] <av500> gah
  • [06:22:55] <ds2> ?
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  • [06:29:36] <av500> random sound of discomfort
  • [06:29:36] <emeb_mac> up too early?
  • [06:30:08] <ds2> starting a T4 design? ;)
  • [06:32:26] <av500> :)
  • [06:33:16] <ds2> it'd be a fitting sound
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  • [06:39:20] <av500> tasslehoff: moved to omap5 yet?
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  • [06:53:08] <chainz> can any one help me to write in EEPROM in Beaglebone ?
  • [06:54:15] <av500> ask
  • [06:54:18] <av500> dont ask to ask
  • [06:56:36] <mranostay> av500: don't ask don't tell
  • [06:56:56] <av500> lose lips sink chips
  • [06:58:33] <chainz> @av500 thanks for your advice for this kid :)
  • [06:58:55] <chainz> i need to write in BB EEPROM
  • [06:59:22] <av500> you said that
  • [06:59:58] <chainz> let me explain
  • [07:00:56] <KotH> good morning boys and girls
  • [07:01:09] <mranostay> KotH: girls in here?
  • [07:01:32] <mranostay> if mru hasn't scared any off by now.... :)
  • [07:02:17] <ds2> just write it.
  • [07:02:23] <ds2> it is i2c. datasheets abound.
  • [07:03:52] <mranostay> ds2: what about i2c datasheets?
  • [07:07:12] <chainz> i'm using android in BB, my kernel check the EEPROM data for particular peripheral configuration in particluar address, but that address field is empty. i need to wrike SKO#33 in that location
  • [07:07:41] <chainz> which is the best way to write in EEPROM?
  • [07:07:58] <KotH> chainz: you want to read the embedded linux primer
  • [07:10:12] <av500> chainz: there are command line tools to write I2C
  • [07:10:13] <chainz> sure, but its wide. i need quick solution
  • [07:10:19] <ds2> mranostay: they exists in large quantities
  • [07:10:38] <chainz> i'll read the book after some to get deep knowledge
  • [07:10:48] <av500> if android does not run the tools, boot angstrom to write the eeprom
  • [07:11:23] <ds2> android is just another userland
  • [07:11:29] <ds2> if it doesn't run it, it is broken.
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  • [07:13:26] <KotH> chainz: if you need a quick solution, try google to find relevant documents
  • [07:13:40] <KotH> writing serial eeproms is a known problem
  • [07:13:42] <JuanC> okay, this is probably a really stupid question, but would anyone here know why my sdcard doesn't even bring up the U-Boot stuff?
  • [07:13:48] <KotH> documented a thousand times over
  • [07:13:57] <av500> JuanC: bad card
  • [07:14:00] <av500> most likely
  • [07:14:25] <av500> or your serial is not good and you dont see it
  • [07:14:31] <JuanC> strangely enough, i have a known bad card that does bring up the u-boot lines on the serial port
  • [07:14:33] <JuanC> but then won't boot
  • [07:14:38] <JuanC> this one doesn't even bring up uboot
  • [07:14:41] <JuanC> nothing
  • [07:14:43] <JuanC> the serial port exists
  • [07:14:46] <JuanC> i just don't get any data from it
  • [07:14:54] <av500> then the card is not good
  • [07:14:57] <JuanC> this is a freshly written sdcard
  • [07:15:02] <JuanC> i can read it fine in windows
  • [07:15:04] <JuanC> doesn
  • [07:15:04] <av500> written how?
  • [07:15:09] <JuanC> t appear to be any problems with it there
  • [07:15:14] <JuanC> though i accept it might be subtle
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  • [07:15:30] <JuanC> win32diskimager as per the beagle docs
  • [07:16:09] <av500> hmm
  • [07:16:17] <av500> so you wrote an image?
  • [07:16:17] <JuanC> i have a third card (though it's the same make and model as the one in question) which i can try on i guess
  • [07:16:21] <JuanC> yep
  • [07:16:27] <av500> sorry, no idea then
  • [07:16:35] <JuanC> when i insert the card into the windows card reader i get the little puppy and the files are readable
  • [07:16:57] <JuanC> i tried two images from here: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [07:17:06] <JuanC> Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beagleboard-2011.11.21.img.gz
  • [07:17:07] <JuanC> and then
  • [07:17:10] <JuanC> Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2011.1-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
  • [07:17:14] <JuanC> perhaps they're not the right ones?
  • [07:17:23] <JuanC> (i used 7zip to extract them)
  • [07:17:31] <av500> rootfs is NOT an image
  • [07:18:07] <JuanC> sorr
  • [07:18:08] <JuanC> woops
  • [07:18:09] <JuanC> mispasted :D
  • [07:18:34] <JuanC> Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beagleboard-2011.11.21.img.gz and Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2010.3-beagleboard.sd-image-2GiB.img.bz2
  • [07:18:39] <JuanC> (from the 2gb subdirectory)(
  • [07:19:11] <av500> hmm
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  • [07:19:19] <av500> 2010 does not seem ..... fresh
  • [07:20:28] <av500> not that I find the organization of that webpage particularly appealing
  • [07:20:38] <av500> I'd try Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz
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  • [07:22:51] <mranostay> so random question time in #beagle.. anyone know a great tattoo artist in the SF bay area? :)
  • [07:24:47] <JuanC> av500: is there much difference between the versions?
  • [07:24:56] <JuanC> or are they all basically the same just maintained by different people?
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  • [07:25:29] <av500> JuanC: different points in time
  • [07:25:37] <av500> snapshots
  • [07:25:38] * JuanC downloading the 2012 versiopn
  • [07:25:48] <JuanC> there's also a systemd one from even more recently
  • [07:25:52] <JuanC> it seems... very small
  • [07:25:53] <JuanC> :D
  • [07:26:09] <mranostay> yeah well Cloud9 is big
  • [07:26:19] <av500> JuanC: read, it says "rootfs"
  • [07:26:20] <JuanC> also node.js takes forever to launch
  • [07:26:21] <av500> not image
  • [07:26:29] <JuanC> ahh.
  • [07:26:30] <JuanC> yeah.
  • [07:26:37] <JuanC> both are rootfs
  • [07:26:38] <av500> JuanC: thats because it's creating a rockstar on the fly
  • [07:26:39] <JuanC> roger
  • [07:27:37] <mranostay> av500: badass rockstar get it correct
  • [07:27:46] <thurbad> a rootfs could be an image... but a tar.gz not so much
  • [07:27:56] <JuanC> yeah
  • [07:28:07] <JuanC> i just saw a coupple where they had a tarball of the rootf as the image alongside
  • [07:28:15] <JuanC> saw two systemd images and assumed one was an image and one a rooftf
  • [07:28:19] <JuanC> instead ... they're both rootfs!
  • [07:28:30] <av500> deception
  • [07:28:31] <JuanC> anyway
  • [07:28:36] <JuanC> is this..... deception?
  • [07:28:41] <JuanC> crime doesn't pay
  • [07:28:53] <JuanC> well, i'm trying 2011.whatever with the other sdcard while i wait for 2012
  • [07:29:06] <JuanC> will let you know how i got
  • [07:29:08] <JuanC> *go
  • [07:29:12] <thurbad> unless you're ia politician... then honesty doesn't pay
  • [07:29:14] <JuanC> thanks for the assistance
  • [07:30:18] <av500> we live to serve
  • [07:32:33] <mranostay> we do?
  • [07:34:00] <JuanC> it's at least 50% likely!
  • [07:37:48] <LetoThe2nd> i always thought we were born to rock. hm.
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  • [07:38:18] <JuanC> zug zug
  • [07:38:42] <LetoThe2nd> JuanC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zug_(canton)?
  • [07:39:02] <JuanC> okay, so fresh sdcard has the same behaviour with the 2011 image
  • [07:39:29] <JuanC> LetoThe2nd: I.... have learned something new today.
  • [07:39:32] <JuanC> thank you.
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  • [07:39:51] <JuanC> (I was thinking more along the lines of "Loctar")
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  • [07:40:56] <LetoThe2nd> which, according ti google means that its ok for you to build me a house (in orcish)?
  • [07:41:10] <LetoThe2nd> strange folks you are.
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  • [07:52:26] <JuanC> okay
  • [07:52:33] <JuanC> av500: 2012 image is exactly the same
  • [07:52:37] <JuanC> also
  • [07:53:09] <JuanC> the windows view of the sdcard looks nothing like the view i get from the stock card that came iwth the thing
  • [07:53:12] <JuanC> whereas the 2011 image does
  • [07:53:36] <av500> the view being?
  • [07:54:36] <JuanC> what the filesystem looks like when you plug it in
  • [07:54:37] <mranostay> ok i better sleepy-poo now
  • [07:54:44] <JuanC> what windows can "see"
  • [07:54:58] <ds2> just build your own
  • [07:56:08] <LetoThe2nd> oO(get a sane OS ;) )
  • [07:57:46] <JuanC> yeah
  • [07:57:55] <JuanC> openbsd ported to the zaurus faster than the beagle
  • [07:57:56] <JuanC> crazy
  • [07:59:22] <JuanC> yeah
  • [07:59:31] <JuanC> i found a vendor page that lists some really sane sounding image names
  • [07:59:34] <JuanC> so i'll give them a go
  • [07:59:45] <JuanC> perhaps the beagle website is throwing people off just to mess with them
  • [08:02:59] <av500> no
  • [08:03:10] <av500> what is different in the file system you see?
  • [08:03:21] <av500> you have to realize we are not looking over your shoulder
  • [08:03:39] <av500> so just saying "different" is useless and wasting our time
  • [08:04:40] <JuanC> well, to be fair, i'm not sure how describing that one is called "boot" and contains three files, vs one is called "Beaglebone" and has an icon of the beaglebone mascot and contains 8 files was any more helpful that saying the more recent one looked different to the one that came with the board
  • [08:04:48] <JuanC> however, i am happy to explain further if you like?
  • [08:04:53] <JuanC> is there something in specific you'd like to know?
  • [08:06:01] <av500> yes, there should be a boot partition with ~3 files
  • [08:06:19] <av500> but it could have more
  • [08:06:25] <av500> there should be a file named MLO
  • [08:06:30] <av500> and something like uboot
  • [08:06:42] <av500> that should get you a uboot prompt on the serial at least
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  • [08:07:41] <JuanC> yeah
  • [08:08:26] <JuanC> i see a single partition in windows called "boot"
  • [08:08:33] <JuanC> which contains u-boot.img
  • [08:08:36] <JuanC> MLO
  • [08:08:36] <JuanC> and
  • [08:08:38] <JuanC> uEnv.txt
  • [08:08:44] <av500> yes, windows does not see the linux parttion
  • [08:08:47] <av500> so, looks ok
  • [08:08:50] <JuanC> yep
  • [08:08:52] <av500> should boot
  • [08:09:01] <JuanC> so i put it in the beagle, fire it up, connect to the virtual serial port
  • [08:09:03] <JuanC> ....and see nothing.
  • [08:09:22] <JuanC> none of the user leds blink, nothing comes out of the console (not even C C C C like you get if you don't have a card in)
  • [08:12:48] <JuanC> http://dropbox.eait.uq.edu.au/uqjklosk/beagle/
  • [08:12:52] <JuanC> 1 is the 2012 image
  • [08:12:55] <JuanC> 2 is the 2011 image
  • [08:12:59] <JuanC> they look different :)
  • [08:13:20] <JuanC> the stock image that came with the beagles i've bought look like the 2011 one (#2)
  • [08:14:07] <JuanC> anyway
  • [08:14:19] <JuanC> i'm sure there's something dumb i'm doing that's causing all this
  • [08:14:35] <JuanC> i might just go home and forget about it and maybe it'll come to me what i've forgotten to do
  • [08:14:36] <JuanC> or not
  • [08:14:39] <JuanC> either way ;)
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  • [08:16:05] <av500> should be both fine
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  • [08:16:35] <JuanC> yup.
  • [08:16:39] <JuanC> isn't.
  • [08:16:42] <JuanC> sadface.
  • [08:16:47] <av500> yeah
  • [08:20:19] <JuanC> i have narcissus and another vendors getting started image queued up
  • [08:20:25] <JuanC> hopefully they'll be ready tomorrow
  • [08:20:29] <JuanC> and i can play with those
  • [08:20:33] <JuanC> thanks again
  • [08:20:42] <av500> narcissus wont help
  • [08:20:53] <av500> it should still boot from MLO and uboot
  • [08:21:12] <LetoThe2nd> sad to say, but probably just using a sane operating system with a working dd will do the trick.
  • [08:21:38] <JuanC> so you think the problem is winimager?
  • [08:21:52] <JuanC> my process basically is extract the .img file
  • [08:21:53] * LetoThe2nd strongly suspects the win32imagewhateverfunkything to be b0rked, like usual when it comes to payware OS ;)
  • [08:21:54] <av500> doubt it
  • [08:22:01] <JuanC> insert the blank sdcard i bought from a local vendor this afternoon
  • [08:22:04] <JuanC> run winimager
  • [08:22:05] <av500> it just writes sectors
  • [08:22:07] <JuanC> there's nothing else i have to do?
  • [08:22:10] <av500> no
  • [08:22:16] <av500> you see the filesystem in the end
  • [08:22:21] <JuanC> yeah
  • [08:22:30] <av500> you could check if partition 1 is marked active
  • [08:22:31] <JuanC> i'm just wondering if it's missing a boot flag or some other rubbish
  • [08:22:33] <JuanC> yeah
  • [08:22:40] <JuanC> when i'm finished the latest run i'll try that
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  • [08:24:05] <tasslehoff> av500: nah, I'm truding along on the good 'ole 3530
  • [08:24:59] <KotH> a question for the TI boys here: i have a datashee for an RS-485 driver (SN65HVD75) that mentiones an SON-8 package, but there is no spec for that package anywhere.. any idea who i should ask for further information?
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  • [08:26:09] <av500> KotH: your friendly TI rep?
  • [08:26:42] <LetoThe2nd> s/friendly/grumpy/
  • [08:27:07] <LetoThe2nd> av500: i think they don't want to sell transceivers anymore, only level shifters.
  • [08:27:09] <KotH> av500: until i get an answer from a sales, a week has passed
  • [08:27:28] <KotH> av500: unlike you, we are not a multi million pieces per month company
  • [08:28:17] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: no sales rep of your distributor available? maybe one where you do order some other things too, not only the transceiers?
  • [08:28:39] <LetoThe2nd> ok, most are probably a bit swamped ATMin the electronica aftermath.
  • [08:29:05] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: we usually order from farnell, digikey and mouser until we go into production
  • [08:29:21] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: and as we do not handle production directly, distributors usually dont know our name
  • [08:29:31] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: ok, bad luck then.
  • [08:29:51] * LetoThe2nd loves having production lines in house :)
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  • [08:45:46] <panto> hello
  • [08:46:08] <av500> world
  • [08:46:17] <panto> echo $?
  • [08:46:45] <LetoThe2nd> 0
  • [08:47:06] <mranostay> panto is here.. really time to sleep now
  • [08:47:22] <panto> punks don't sleep; they power-down
  • [08:47:39] <mranostay> panto: or black out
  • [08:48:04] <LetoThe2nd> if in doubt, black out.
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  • [09:18:37] <av500> jolla live now: http://new.livestream.com/slushlive/mainstage
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  • [09:44:07] <florian> av500: you broke livestream! ;)
  • [09:44:37] <av500> no works
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  • [09:44:46] <florian> I get: "We're fixing this odd occurrence and will have everything back to normal soon. We hope you'll bear with us during this down time. Thank you for your patience."
  • [09:44:53] <av500> works here
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  • [09:51:39] <geekerie> I am trying to run QTOpenGL application hellogl_es2 on a beagle omap 3530 running qnx and I get an empty window instead of hte bubbles and qt logo that I should see. Is this a known problem? I'm using QT 4.7.1 from QNX foundry
  • [09:52:04] <av500> geekerie: I bet if you supply us with QNX, we can help
  • [09:52:40] <geekerie> av500, unfortunately I can't :)
  • [09:53:14] <av500> so, unfortunately we can't
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  • [09:53:30] <av500> i guess there is commercial support at commercial rates
  • [09:54:14] <geekerie> av500, I realize that, but I see people facing similar problems on linux too
  • [09:54:21] <geekerie> on various forums
  • [09:54:36] <av500> maybe
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  • [10:06:12] <KotH> geekerie: because the symptoms of something are the same, does not mean that the cause is the same
  • [10:07:06] <KotH> geekerie: eg: if you have a dog that doesnt respond and a computer that does not respond, then probably the computer is not switched on and the dog is dead. connecting power to the dog will not help
  • [10:07:30] <av500> nice explaining
  • [10:07:39] <LetoThe2nd> ++
  • [10:07:41] * av500 volunteers KotH for fosdem booth duty
  • [10:07:46] <av500> koen: ^^^
  • [10:07:53] <KotH> ^^'
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  • [11:13:17] <av500> I wonder if a capebus could help here: http://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/smartduino_stacked_with_Arduino_boards.jpg
  • [11:14:04] <panto> I said, I call it Gerald from now on
  • [11:14:21] <panto> so that would be: "Can Gerald help with this?"
  • [11:14:28] <panto> non confrontational
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  • [11:16:58] <KotH> panto: i know gerald... and imho he is very confrontational
  • [11:17:08] <panto> that's a different Gerald
  • [11:17:21] <panto> mild and non-threatening
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  • [11:24:01] <koen> interesting: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.mtd/44693
  • [11:24:07] <koen> a ubiblock driver
  • [11:25:50] <av500> from ubisoft?
  • [11:30:58] <mdp> for ubisteam
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  • [11:31:26] <av500> ubiquitous
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  • [11:33:31] <panto> koen, ugh, that's going to be a bit of a patent issue
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  • [11:40:53] <mdp> it's always patents with you
  • [11:43:00] <av500> patently absurd
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  • [12:04:16] <mdp> "Ability to envision a holistic testing approach..."
  • [12:04:28] <mdp> just add synergy and we have a winner
  • [12:05:18] <panto> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671533
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  • [12:09:24] <koen> heh
  • [12:09:25] <koen> " The designers may NAK this all day long, but I
  • [12:09:26] <koen> am receiving overwhelming feedback that it is a problem for people."
  • [12:09:39] <koen> took a while to get a sane response
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  • [12:11:00] <JViz> there's also http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/607691307/ubi-the-ubiquitous-computer-voice-activated-and-al-0
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  • [12:25:35] <mdp> panto, looks like I might just get the olimex as well since it's less of a garage shop project than cubieboard
  • [12:26:00] <mdp> and mouser carries it here
  • [12:26:00] <panto> mdp, yep
  • [12:26:28] <mdp> are you definitely getting one?
  • [12:26:42] <panto> yeah
  • [12:26:47] <mdp> it would be cool to know somebody with one that speaks english ;)
  • [12:26:51] <panto> the manuf. is right next door (.bg)
  • [12:26:59] <mdp> oh really?
  • [12:27:05] <panto> yeah
  • [12:27:14] <mdp> cool, I was also impressed with all the other stuff they are doing
  • [12:27:32] <panto> yep, their add on little boards are cool too
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  • [12:29:18] <mdp> panto, they remind me of papilio "wings"
  • [12:29:49] <koen> mdp: the a13?
  • [12:30:28] <mdp> yeah, important stuff to learn IMHO
  • [12:31:29] <av500> a10 is better
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  • [12:31:47] <av500> mdp: you should get an OEMA68 card
  • [12:32:00] <av500> its future proof
  • [12:32:21] <mdp> a13>a10
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  • [12:32:36] <av500> nope
  • [12:32:36] <Jacmet> mdp: no, a13 is the cost down version
  • [12:32:36] <av500> has no hdmi out
  • [12:32:47] <mdp> this is horrible marketing!!!
  • [12:33:01] <av500> mdp: nikon D1 > D1000
  • [12:33:08] * mdp really needs sartalics font engaged
  • [12:33:08] <mdp> lol
  • [12:33:12] <panto> stop confusing us with facts!
  • [12:33:16] <Jacmet> mdp: you mean like the jungle of ti SoC names? ;)
  • [12:33:21] <panto> lunch
  • [12:33:23] <av500> stop facturing confusion
  • [12:33:30] <mdp> Jacmet: stop! the TI names make perfect sense
  • [12:33:57] <Jacmet> mdp: I once asked Kevin about it, and he also couldn't figure it out ;)
  • [12:33:57] <av500> yes
  • [12:34:08] <mdp> which Kevin...hilman? ;)
  • [12:34:11] <av500> all you need to know is how many bits the level shifter has
  • [12:34:16] <Jacmet> mdp: yes
  • [12:34:19] <av500> and thats in the part number
  • [12:34:38] <mdp> jacmet, my mgr is "kevin" so I always need to check ;)
  • [12:34:59] <Jacmet> mdp: it was afaik at elce10, something about what was now omap and what was sitara
  • [12:35:08] <mdp> jacmet, well, the best way to accept it is to consider that when I say, "which TI?" I'm dead serious about that.
  • [12:35:25] <mdp> each separate company makes their own names
  • [12:35:48] <mdp> AM180x/DA8xx/OMAPL138 is a classic example
  • [12:35:52] <Jacmet> mdp: yeah, that's more or less what I got as well
  • [12:36:07] <av500> mdp: same for omap3 et al
  • [12:36:11] <av500> AM, DM, OMAP
  • [12:36:24] <mdp> imho, they make sense within a product line...like AMxxxx
  • [12:36:41] <mdp> av500, yep
  • [12:37:04] <av500> mdp: well, its to make clear where the kernel comes from: koen, PSP or Google :)
  • [12:37:05] <jonand> is there even a way to (from software) find out whether you are running on an OMAP3630 or a DM3730?
  • [12:37:17] <av500> no
  • [12:37:22] <av500> well, if you use OCR
  • [12:37:23] <jonand> lol
  • [12:37:28] * mdp just hit a key in i3 that messed things up and now needs to recover window layout..aieee
  • [12:37:33] <jonand> "what's that webcam used for?"
  • [12:38:28] <mdp> the moral of the story is: only use AM and this won't be a problem
  • [12:38:45] * mdp hunkers down in his AM bunker
  • [12:39:08] * av500 waits until mdp is hit by PM
  • [12:39:41] <Jacmet> mdp ;
  • [12:39:56] <Jacmet> )
  • [12:40:06] <av500> mdp: AM is for AutoMotive, right?
  • [12:40:21] <mdp> the A is for Awesomeness
  • [12:40:38] <mdp> or ARM, can't remember
  • [12:41:09] <Jacmet> mdp: indeed, and the recent omap/wireless announcement isn't helping (surely not for you guys either) - I've seen mails at work where people are trying to guesstimate the impact on existing/future dm/am based designs
  • [12:42:32] <mdp> it certainly has impact beyond people's mobile facebook devices
  • [12:42:44] <mdp> aka "blowback"
  • [12:43:01] <Jacmet> mdp: indeed
  • [12:44:03] <mdp> so anyway, which A10 board did you guys like? It's critical that it's a dev board style, I'm not interested in the little dongles
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  • [12:44:24] <av500> mdp: mine has like a tablet around it :)
  • [12:44:33] <mdp> *yawn*
  • [12:45:03] <mdp> so hackberry a10 got ruled out immediately as there's no expansion connector
  • [12:45:28] <mdp> cubieboard was first as it also has an a10
  • [12:45:56] <mdp> but it appears that tom cubie builds them in his basement so the initial 1000 is it for now
  • [12:46:23] <av500> hackberrs is a tablet PCBA, no?
  • [12:46:28] <av500> berry*
  • [12:46:38] <mdp> seems to be
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  • [12:47:00] <av500> ah no
  • [12:47:05] <av500> that was another one
  • [12:48:30] <av500> mdp: btw, you also need the datasheep for the AXP209 :)
  • [12:48:38] <mdp> olimex is doing an a10-based design as well, btw
  • [12:49:36] <mdp> have it
  • [12:51:09] <av500> mdp: btw, a coworker in france has the A13 olimex
  • [12:51:44] <av500> https://www.olimex.com/Products/Components/IC/A10-AXP209/
  • [12:51:48] <av500> make your own :)
  • [12:52:03] <mdp> lol
  • [12:52:33] <mdp> probably could just bitbang it with the pru
  • [12:52:33] <av500> have it where?
  • [12:52:47] <av500> yeah
  • [12:53:02] <av500> mdp: connect A13 LCD out to PRU and render on bone DVI cape
  • [12:53:34] <mdp> I grabbed the pmic datasheet shortly after elc-e as I was collecting stuff I would need
  • [12:53:56] <av500> ah ok, publiv
  • [12:53:58] <mdp> can't read a lot of it, unfortunately ;)
  • [12:53:58] <av500> c
  • [12:54:58] <av500> mdp: we did our DM270 design with the japanese TRM
  • [12:55:19] <dm8tbr> o.O
  • [12:55:21] <av500> as the engrish was not ready
  • [12:55:33] <Jacmet> av500: sounds "interesting" ;)
  • [12:55:38] <mdp> heh
  • [12:55:45] <av500> but we only needed the delta from DSC25
  • [12:55:50] <av500> so it was not that bad
  • [12:57:28] <av500> mdp: also note that A10 power ramping is quite easy :)
  • [12:57:41] <mdp> I recall the diagram ;)
  • [12:58:01] <av500> insert batteries, push ON
  • [12:58:29] <mdp> apparently they didn't get the memo to be part of the SoC complexity apocalypse
  • [12:58:42] <Jacmet> mdp: ;)
  • [12:59:00] <av500> mdp: only high ranking TI "managers" got that
  • [12:59:40] <mdp> mlocke was just itching to have a zombie theme to whatever he talked about ;)
  • [13:00:12] <mdp> av500, sadly, the fallout from said complexity has just begun
  • [13:01:14] <av500> nod
  • [13:01:18] <mdp> heh, prpplague with "exact steps" in ojn's chromebook post
  • [13:01:38] <av500> ojn?
  • [13:01:45] <mdp> olof
  • [13:02:21] <av500> got it
  • [13:02:58] <mdp> another ex-powerpc guy
  • [13:03:11] <av500> circled, blockes and reported
  • [13:03:12] <mdp> it's trendy
  • [13:03:16] <av500> blocked*
  • [13:04:16] <av500> now jonmasters made me looks for my NEO35
  • [13:04:50] <LetoThe2nd> hrhrhr
  • [13:04:53] <LetoThe2nd> can you control it?
  • [13:05:11] <mdp> I wonder how many other people have a guy in their connections that asks "Does XYZ know about Firearms?"
  • [13:05:13] <mdp> hehe
  • [13:05:19] <av500> LetoThe2nd: ?
  • [13:05:42] * mdp loves the endorsement game
  • [13:05:56] <av500> mdp: added "trolling" to skillz?
  • [13:06:10] * dm8tbr needs to endorse av500 for trolling
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  • [13:07:07] <LetoThe2nd> skillz: "endorsing"
  • [13:09:50] <dm8tbr> tsk, manually added trolling and it got ignored... :[
  • [13:12:40] <av500> I will add "Matt Porter" as a kill
  • [13:12:51] <av500> just for the endorsment question
  • [13:12:58] <av500> a skill
  • [13:13:06] <av500> kill, maybe
  • [13:13:06] <mdp> a kill!
  • [13:13:10] <av500> a snake!
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  • [13:13:30] <mdp> "proud to know Matt Porter"
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  • [13:17:12] <KotH> mdp: you know a guy who has a military issue rifle hidden under his bed ;-)
  • [13:17:30] <mdp> KotH: I know too many ;)
  • [13:18:03] <mdp> KotH, the guy in question here is a military/police instructor I know
  • [13:18:04] <KotH> mdp: to they go shopping with the rifle over their shoulder? :)
  • [13:18:24] <mdp> KotH: generally people do that at .us gun shows, yes
  • [13:18:41] <KotH> mdp: shopping as in grocery shopping
  • [13:18:48] <mdp> we generally carry handguns when grocery shopping
  • [13:19:12] <mdp> don't want to disturb the 50%
  • [13:19:37] <KotH> o_0
  • [13:20:07] <KotH> mdp: in .ch nobody but the tourists look at you, if you carry a rifle$
  • [13:20:22] <KotH> mdp: as everyone has one at home anyways
  • [13:20:30] <av500> texas should joint switzerland
  • [13:20:32] <av500> join*
  • [13:20:33] <mdp> yeah, funny cultural difference
  • [13:21:09] <KotH> av500: we dont want idiots carring guns
  • [13:21:25] <KotH> av500: it's enough that we have an idiot slipping trough the filters in military and killing someone
  • [13:22:04] <mdp> americans are conditioned to be scared and outraged at everything...that's why we have special associations that worry about stuff like unsightly antennas on houses
  • [13:22:13] <KotH> a couple of years ago, a guy shot a 18y old girl at a bus stop, when he went home from the military service over the weekend.... just to know how it "feld" to shoot a real person
  • [13:22:19] <mdp> it's a cultural disease
  • [13:22:49] <KotH> felt*
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  • [13:22:50] <mdp> there's always one that wants to feel that
  • [13:22:50] <KotH> hmm.. i think that scared purple
  • [13:23:09] <KotH> mdp: yeah.. but these guys shouldnt get a weapon in the first place
  • [13:23:21] <KotH> mdp: that's why the military has psycholigcal screenings
  • [13:23:29] <KotH> he slipped trough anyways :-(
  • [13:23:42] <mdp> yep, same thing here
  • [13:24:58] <KotH> meh...
  • [13:25:09] <mru> this gun talk gives me an idea: beagle(bone)-controlled gun turret
  • [13:25:09] * KotH hates sales reps that tell me to look at the webpage
  • [13:25:11] <mdp> mru, working on it!
  • [13:25:16] <mru> with face detection
  • [13:25:21] <KotH> if what i want to know would be written there, i wouldnt contact him!
  • [13:25:35] <mdp> mru, fire at those with mustaches!
  • [13:25:57] <mru> use a high-power laser to draw mustaches on those without
  • [13:26:00] <av500> mdp: running the mustache SW at the same time?
  • [13:26:05] <av500> they all have one!
  • [13:26:20] <mdp> av500, scary feedback loop
  • [13:27:04] <av500> mdp: make non-mustache a capital offense
  • [13:27:08] <mru> sounds like something the taliban would buy
  • [13:28:57] <mru> and now for something completely different: https://twitter.com/sotoole/status/269877416435007488/photo/1
  • [13:29:05] <KotH> sounds like a growing market :)
  • [13:29:10] <av500> old
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  • [13:29:50] <av500> troll overload
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  • [13:29:50] <mru> av500: I'm sorry I can't read all twitbook+ posts in realtime
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  • [13:30:01] <av500> mru: get raw XML from the firehose
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  • [13:37:00] <KotH> mru: you need more cellphones and tablets
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  • [13:40:22] <mdp> a10 tablet?
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  • [13:50:31] <yasin> Hello peoples
  • [13:51:18] <yasin> does anyone know if the beaglebone has any frequency limits for analogue signals?
  • [13:52:03] <mru> of course it has limits
  • [13:52:13] <mru> which signals specifically?
  • [13:52:20] <av500> analog
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  • [14:09:52] <av500> mdp: a snapshot of all 3 6502 registers might be really useful :)
  • [14:10:24] <mdp> lol
  • [14:10:58] <av500> then stare at it for hours
  • [14:10:58] <mdp> dataset overload!
  • [14:11:02] <mdp> I would send that data to the cloud for processing
  • [14:11:22] <mdp> then retrieve my dot matrix job results tomorrow
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  • [14:14:41] <mru> do not eat!
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  • [14:22:40] <av500> there, my trackball hack posted
  • [14:23:18] <av500> now, if it only had a scrollwheel
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  • [14:26:54] <yasin> anyone know if the a logitech c110 webcam is compatible with the bone?
  • [14:27:07] <mru> which driver does it use?
  • [14:27:09] <av500> does it run on linux?
  • [14:27:42] <yasin> http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1051&context=cpesp&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dbeaglebone%2520webcam%2520compatible%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CC4QFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdigitalcommons.calpoly.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1051%2526context%253Dcpesp%26ei%3Dxd-sULHJAsaX0QWmjIHYBw%26usg%3DAFQjCNEiw310y86-xtAjgY31tWaR2Qqdsg#
  • [14:27:48] <mru> eek
  • [14:27:59] <yasin> its been used in this project so im guessing it will
  • [14:28:04] <yasin> just found this
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  • [14:30:07] <mru> you can probably chop it after the first cgi param
  • [14:30:53] <mru> nope, needs two, and it's a pdf
  • [14:31:38] <yasin> sorry? needs two
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  • [14:33:04] * Set by jkridner!~jason@pdpc/supporter/active/jkridner on Tue May 15 11:38:35 CDT 2012
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  • [14:33:52] <yasin> okay, ill try make it simple, i want to connect a webcam to the bone and initially make a system that will simply take pictures and store it to the micro SD
  • [14:34:37] <yasin> Now after alot of research, im struggling find out what first steps to take
  • [14:35:33] <av500> step 1) do it on your linux PC
  • [14:35:39] <av500> step 2) do the same on the bone
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  • [14:35:59] <av500> step 3) feel smug
  • [14:36:07] <yasin> I dont currently have a linux pc
  • [14:36:13] <yasin> i have connected to the bone using
  • [14:36:17] <mru> step 0) acquire linux pc
  • [14:36:28] <yasin> USB serial connection using Putty
  • [14:36:54] <av500> you can treat the bone as a small linux PC too :)
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  • [14:38:58] * Set by jkridner!~jason@pdpc/supporter/active/jkridner on Tue May 15 11:38:35 CDT 2012
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  • [14:39:07] <yasin> normal pc? as in one running linux?
  • [14:39:22] <av500> yes, normal
  • [14:39:33] <yasin> thank god!
  • [14:39:41] <mru> which one?
  • [14:39:47] <av500> $deity
  • [14:40:48] <yasin> so by connecting the bone via serial port
  • [14:41:33] <yasin> and obtaining the terminal that way
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  • [14:41:45] <yasin> am i on the right track?
  • [14:41:55] <av500> well
  • [14:42:03] <av500> its only a small step to connect a serial port
  • [14:42:19] <av500> its like putting on your coat and stepping outside
  • [14:42:26] <yasin> okay get it
  • [14:42:27] <av500> does not mean you will know where to go
  • [14:42:40] <yasin> thats is exacly where i am stuck
  • [14:42:51] <av500> that pdf you linked it a good start
  • [14:43:06] <av500> somebody already did the work, change the name and hand it in
  • [14:43:07] <yasin> okay
  • [14:43:23] <yasin> LOL i wish it was that easy
  • [14:43:55] <yasin> you actually the most helpful person i have talked to so far
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  • [14:44:35] <yasin> but even with tat pdf i still dont know where i go from here?
  • [14:45:15] <yasin> do i start by installing Ubuntu on the bone?
  • [14:45:32] <av500> isnt there already linux on it?
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  • [14:45:51] <yasin> its how it is out of the box
  • [14:46:17] <yasin> right now i have the angstrom terminal in front of me
  • [14:46:22] <yasin> asking me to login
  • [14:46:37] <yasin> which i believe is 'root'
  • [14:46:39] <yasin> and no password
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  • [14:47:21] <av500> well, we cannot teach you basic Linux here
  • [14:47:31] <av500> the net is full of information on that
  • [14:48:16] <yasin> Im not asking you to, just as a guide to what i need to do
  • [14:48:34] <yasin> im currently learning basic linux
  • [14:49:10] <Jacmet> yasin: plugin webcam, install program to grab frame to .jpg and write a shell script to do it forever
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  • [15:01:31] <CareBear\> yasin : your entire problem is about learning linux
  • [15:01:45] <CareBear\> yasin : it has nothing to do with the board. the board is just another linux system
  • [15:02:25] <CareBear\> yasin : if you really do want to learn, then I recommend strict discipline while working through the linux from scratch tutorial, on any regular PC.
  • [15:02:35] <CareBear\> yasin : I expect it will take you a few months to complete
  • [15:03:08] <jonand> wtf
  • [15:03:11] <jonand> cb!
  • [15:03:20] <jonand> haven't seen you since h??rn??sand in 1998!
  • [15:03:40] <yasin> thank you for your response, i have a deadline of 6 months
  • [15:03:43] <CareBear\> yasin : depending on your level of expertise with programming you might have to spend some months to go also into that field, in order to successfully implement the webcam thingymajig *by yourself*
  • [15:04:14] <CareBear\> yasin : of course you can cut all times short by not learning things and blindly trying to glue together bits and pieces by others
  • [15:04:22] <CareBear\> jonand : hej! :)
  • [15:06:05] <yasin> i didnt think it would be so hard to just make the webcam store images to the microsd
  • [15:06:11] <CareBear\> yasin : the former approach will be successful, how long it takes depends on how fast you learn. the latter approach is more like russian roulette.
  • [15:06:45] <LetoThe2nd> ah, is it already that time of the year? "please hand hold me and tell me the 20 magic commands to fix my project"?"
  • [15:07:13] <CareBear\> yasin : it seems that you've underestimated the problem
  • [15:07:16] <av500> LetoThe2nd: 24
  • [15:07:29] <av500> each day one more step
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  • [15:07:37] <CareBear\> yasin : if that is the only thing you learn from the project maybe that's not such a bad lesson..
  • [15:07:46] <LetoThe2nd> av500: 42
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  • [15:14:49] <emeb_mac> another round of... exact steps.
  • [15:15:36] <koen> exacting steps
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  • [15:16:41] <panto> av500, http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/21/archos-familypad/ <-- your work?
  • [15:16:44] <emeb_mac> exctract steps
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  • [15:18:10] <KotH> does anyone know a source for a 47u@10V capacitor in a 0603 case with an ESR <3 ? ^^'
  • [15:19:26] <av500> panto: lets say, I work for the same company
  • [15:19:49] <panto> come on admit it... you love android
  • [15:20:33] <KotH> but he doesnt love his family
  • [15:20:50] <KotH> he sold me one of his daughter for a cheap mug
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  • [15:30:18] <CareBear\> KotH : eh..
  • [15:30:53] <CareBear\> KotH : I think that cap is difficult
  • [15:33:46] <KotH> oh really? :-)
  • [15:34:44] <KotH> CareBear\: ideally i would need 250uF ^^'
  • [15:34:52] <jonand> KotH: sounds like it will be expensive even if you find one.
  • [15:35:18] <mdp> panto, he'll even claim that android is linux
  • [15:35:48] <KotH> jonand: the best i could find so far was a 22u with an ESR of 10R
  • [15:35:56] <KotH> jonand: that's far from available
  • [15:36:10] <jonand> KotH: asked your local faes?
  • [15:36:14] <KotH> jonand: and the price for such a capacitor isnt as important (as long as it isnt 100usd/pcs)
  • [15:36:35] <KotH> jonand: asked local cap manufacturer websites ;)
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  • [15:39:36] <jonand> 47uF in 0603 sounds like sci-fi to me..
  • [15:40:17] <alan_o> reading the backlog..... it occurs to me that we should have a good answer for the question, "I want to learn Linux." Does anyone here have a book that they'd recommend for newbs? Something that can become somewhat of our standard answer here?
  • [15:41:07] <KotH> jonand: wait 2-3y
  • [15:41:21] <KotH> jonand: we'll have it soonish, as cer cap :)
  • [15:41:23] <panto> alan_o, unix programming or just unix in general?
  • [15:41:23] <alan_o> Seems like most of the ones I looked at a couple years ago for the same purpose were somewhat out of date, and/or written by no-name publishers. I was disappointed O'Reilly didn't have much. "Running Linux" is a few years old now.
  • [15:41:38] <alan_o> panto: maybe some of each
  • [15:41:58] <alan_o> and probably something more with a Linux focus than standard Unix stuff.
  • [15:42:00] <KotH> alan_o: linux for dummies
  • [15:42:12] <KotH> alan_o: and "the design of the unix operating system"
  • [15:42:18] <alan_o> KotH: is that one good? Haven't loked at it
  • [15:42:22] <LetoThe2nd> the K&R
  • [15:42:29] <KotH> alan_o: last time i looked at it, it wasnt bad
  • [15:42:37] <KotH> alan_o: but that was 10y aog
  • [15:42:38] <KotH> ago
  • [15:42:40] <alan_o> KotH: isn't "design" going to be a little too advanced for newbs?
  • [15:42:44] <mdp> alan_o. from what perspective?
  • [15:43:02] <mdp> they need to run it before delving into OS design or even *nix programming
  • [15:43:05] <KotH> alan_o: if they want to do embedded linux with lots of low level stuff, it's the right book to learn how to think unixy
  • [15:43:06] <alan_o> KotH: yeah, my last linux book was over 10 years ago.
  • [15:43:11] <LetoThe2nd> because what most people think of "learning linux" is after all just "what things can i click on my distros gui to replace Windows function $XYZ"
  • [15:43:19] <panto> K&R, the unix programming environment, and 'unix network programming' & 'advanced programming in the unix environment' by stevens
  • [15:43:22] <alan_o> mdp: yeah, that's what I think too
  • [15:44:30] <alan_o> panto: Those are pretty old (at least the first two).
  • [15:44:54] <panto> alan_o, it's the basics
  • [15:44:58] <mdp> dated, but has the right content: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
  • [15:45:12] <LetoThe2nd> mdp: is that the BOFH? ;)
  • [15:45:54] <panto> alan_o, and drop in the posix manuals
  • [15:45:57] <mdp> section 4-9 are basics that everybody needs to know to even begin to hold a conversation
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  • [15:46:18] <panto> most of the linux-isms haven't really caught on for application programming (with some notable exceptions like dbus etc)
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  • [15:46:34] <mdp> panto, and sysfs ;)
  • [15:46:47] <alan_o> I guess I don't know what I'm looking for..... When I started, I bought Red Hat Linux Unleashed which covered Red Hat Linux (not Fedora or RHEL) 4.2. That was a great book for learning how stuff works. It was more than just getting around the unix part. Also read "Using Unix" and it was good for the unix part, but still had a lot of stuff that didn't really apply to Linux
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  • [15:46:58] <LetoThe2nd> is that still alive? http://rute.2038bug.com/node9.html.gz#SECTION00931000000000000000
  • [15:48:00] <alan_o> mdp: That rute thing is pretty serious
  • [15:48:27] <mdp> http://linuxcommand.org/index.php
  • [15:48:37] <KotH> omfg... i havent heard about cooledit in ages
  • [15:48:45] <mdp> KotH: dated, eh?
  • [15:48:57] <alan_o> mdp: I thought that terminal was goingto be interactive :)
  • [15:49:11] <mdp> alan_o, that will be delivered with your flying car
  • [15:49:27] <alan_o> mdp: There's a javascript Linux emulator, seen that?
  • [15:49:33] <alan_o> "linux emulator"
  • [15:49:37] <KotH> alan_o: also a good book is "in the beginning was the command line" by stephenson
  • [15:49:42] <alan_o> It emulates the hardware and boots a kernel in your browser.
  • [15:50:28] <alan_o> So at some point I'll have some time to get some links to this stuff and put it on a webpage
  • [15:50:28] <alan_o> maybe then we can point people at that.
  • [15:50:43] <alan_o> It's just the last couple times I've seen it asked, the answer has been, "use Linux on the Desktop and Server for 15 years"
  • [15:50:44] * KotH will remember to point people at alan_o
  • [15:51:01] <alan_o> KotH: more like remember to remind me to actually do this :)
  • [15:51:06] <KotH> alan_o: that's not such a good idea
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  • [15:51:28] <KotH> alan_o: i know people who've been using linux >10y, but dont know shit about the shell, or how to write a simple c program
  • [15:51:29] <alan_o> KotH: ??
  • [15:51:37] <KotH> alan_o: let alone how to write a driver
  • [15:51:49] <KotH> alan_o: oh.. and those are professional software developers
  • [15:51:52] <alan_o> not such a good idea to provide documents to people who are asking?
  • [15:52:11] <KotH> alan_o: no, not a good idea to use linux for several decades
  • [15:52:18] <KotH> alan_o: using something does not mean you learn it
  • [15:52:21] <alan_o> KotH: oh
  • [15:52:44] <alan_o> KotH: well that's the answer that's been given by others on the channel for "how did you guys learn" or "how do I learn"
  • [15:52:44] <LetoThe2nd> alan_o: having done comparable distro support for some years, the main dilemma is: those who just want handholding and a quick solution will not read any documents.
  • [15:52:45] <KotH> you've to actively try to solve problems with it, and every time try to find the right way to do it
  • [15:53:21] <LetoThe2nd> alan_o: in the optimum case they will skim any text for c&p-commands, in the worst they will want you to tell them the "exact steps"
  • [15:53:24] <alan_o> LetoThe2nd: There's a difference between handholding, reading a book, and googling blindly for documentation that's incomplete and half wrong adn out of date
  • [15:53:26] <KotH> alan_o: well.. most people who are good learn something that way: they use it for years and years and try to refine their knowledge every time they have to do something
  • [15:53:35] <mdp> it's nice to have an overview book or online resource to give you the big picture of what's there though...the basics
  • [15:53:48] <mdp> then yes, you then *do something* and spiral into the detailed docs
  • [15:53:49] <KotH> alan_o: oh.. and actually that's the way how you learn anything well
  • [15:53:51] <alan_o> mdp: yes, and to point you in the right direction
  • [15:53:54] <LetoThe2nd> alan_o: those who actually willing to read the docs have been able to find them alone long time before asking in the most cases.
  • [15:54:10] <alan_o> LetoThe2nd: but it's often inefficient
  • [15:54:12] <koen> alan_o: iirc that book came with my RH4.2 box :)
  • [15:54:23] <alan_o> LetoThe2nd: people who are new don't know what to google for
  • [15:54:30] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: not true
  • [15:54:38] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: i often struggle to find the right docs
  • [15:54:43] <mdp> the TOC looks pretty good for a complete !*nix person on that linuxcommand.org book fwiw
  • [15:54:52] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: and i am someone who learns easily and on his own
  • [15:55:08] <alan_o> koen: I learned _tons_ from that book. Even went into how email works at the network level
  • [15:55:28] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: yeah, but people like you are the rare case.
  • [15:55:39] * LetoThe2nd personally likes http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable a lot
  • [15:55:48] <alan_o> ^^
  • [15:55:52] <alan_o> Everyone here is a rare case. That's why it's hard for us to help new people
  • [15:55:56] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: the rare case in what sense?
  • [15:56:18] <prpplague> hmmm
  • [15:56:18] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: "in most cases able to find, read, and understand docs on your own."
  • [15:56:24] <prpplague> alan_o: get this
  • [15:56:38] <mdp> LetoThe2nd: and yet that one looks a bit more from the "admin" pov..but yes, also useful
  • [15:56:40] <prpplague> alan_o: phone interview this morning
  • [15:56:47] <alan_o> prpplague: woot!
  • [15:56:49] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: i dont get it
  • [15:56:52] <mdp> prpplague: +1
  • [15:56:57] <prpplague> alan_o: the guy was asking about my involvement with the pandaboard project
  • [15:57:26] <LetoThe2nd> mdp: yes, it's pretty much geared towards debian and admin, but it involves a lot of common tasks you face when "actively" running linux
  • [15:57:40] <prpplague> alan_o: asked if i worked with someone that goes by the nick name prpplague because they were trying to find out who prpplague was to see about a job interview
  • [15:57:41] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: NVM
  • [15:57:50] <mdp> LetoThe2nd: it goes to show that there's not one perfect guide for newbies
  • [15:58:00] <alan_o> prpplague: hahahaha
  • [15:58:19] <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: hehe, being sucked into headhunting yourself? ;)
  • [15:58:25] <alan_o> prpplague: and they're not smart enough to figure out who prpplague is... might not be a good sign.
  • [15:58:30] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: hehe indeed
  • [15:58:31] <LetoThe2nd> mdp: pretty much, that.
  • [15:58:41] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: but i do mind ^^'
  • [15:58:42] <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: sell them your dark side.
  • [15:58:51] <prpplague> hehe
  • [15:58:58] <mdp> LetoThe2nd: it's filled with PC-isms..but if you drop those, it's great for groking how to deal with all those common things for your embedded target...but then yeah, I also think a good CLI howto for "doing stuff" is necessary too
  • [15:59:05] <KotH> prpplague: sell them your dark chocolate.
  • [15:59:28] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: i do think i am going to order a bunch of purple t-shirts for ELC with "I AM PLAGUE" on it to hand out as swag
  • [15:59:36] <alan_o> KotH: it all keeps coming back to chocolate :)
  • [15:59:42] <mdp> LetoThe2nd: after that, I'm afraid, nobody has very good docs..except blogs with very focused use cases
  • [15:59:49] <koen> prpplague: not read shirts?
  • [16:00:00] <koen> red*
  • [16:00:00] <prpplague> koen: paramount would come after me
  • [16:00:01] <LetoThe2nd> mdp: well i aften find the bits and pieces of board kit docs helpful, but yes thats a bit different
  • [16:00:07] <mdp> right
  • [16:00:12] <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: i vote for "the plague has arrived"
  • [16:00:21] <prpplague> hehe
  • [16:00:24] <KotH> alan_o: chocolate is the one thing that holds the world together :-)
  • [16:00:34] <prpplague> maybe i need a contest for the best quote to put on purple shirts
  • [16:00:39] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: you messing up chocolate and duct tape?
  • [16:00:40] <alan_o> prpplague: Plague in the house
  • [16:00:52] <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
  • [16:00:56] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: that would hold the univers together :)
  • [16:01:00] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: ah.
  • [16:01:13] <prpplague> ho ho hum
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  • [16:01:48] <alan_o> prpplague: That is a pretty cool story though. Somehow both too famous and too obscure at the same time
  • [16:01:55] <prpplague> looks like with all the TI folks in the dfw area looking for jobs, it is already started driving the pay rates down...
  • [16:02:00] <prpplague> alan_o: indeed
  • [16:02:08] <prpplague> alan_o: i had to have a good laugh about it
  • [16:02:21] <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: you should convert fame into payrates, after all.
  • [16:02:37] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: hehe
  • [16:02:47] <alan_o> prpplague: It's really surprising though that they couldn't figure it out. I typed "who is prpplague" into google.
  • [16:02:59] <prpplague> alan_o: really?
  • [16:03:04] * prpplague goes to look
  • [16:03:22] <LetoThe2nd> alan_o: it tells me "how to write a prologue"
  • [16:03:48] <alan_o> LetoThe2nd: tell it to "no, I mean search for prpplague"
  • [16:03:52] <KotH> anyways... gtg.. have to go to the post office to grab some books
  • [16:03:52] <alan_o> the "yes I mean what I typed" button
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  • [16:04:00] <prpplague> alan_o: yea was just looking at that
  • [16:04:02] <KotH> good evening/afternoon boys
  • [16:04:07] <prpplague> alan_o: didn't know about that google foo
  • [16:04:07] <LetoThe2nd> alan_o: hehe
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  • [16:04:39] <alan_o> Yeah, your full name is in the text below link #3
  • [16:05:19] <alan_o> When I started here, I just looked at the "Real Name" field of the people who regularly chat here, and realized... "hey, I've met these people"
  • [16:06:07] * LetoThe2nd goes back to work, being unmet here :)
  • [16:14:50] <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
  • [16:15:04] <prpplague> alan_o: yea, i am not surprised with HR/Headhunters though
  • [16:15:32] <alan_o> prpplague: yeah. I suppose that's true. People actually have to _want_ to do their jobs.
  • [16:16:19] * mdp quickly changes real name to "mdp"
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  • [16:18:09] <joelagnel> sweet that git hub auto updates pull requests, after you make corrections
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  • [16:20:55] <mdp> joelagnel: yes, but you need to use arago-project for TI work ;)
  • [16:21:13] <mdp> joelagnel: never mind github benefits
  • [16:21:49] <prpplague> jkridner: jeeze you need to edit that post about mdp's 6502 project
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  • [16:22:07] <mdp> prpplague: the one that says, "+Matt Porter sucks . . ."
  • [16:22:08] <prpplague> jkridner: "Hack-a-day: +Matt Porter sucks discrete 6502 processor into Linux by BeagleBone"
  • [16:22:23] <prpplague> mdp: all i saw was "Hack-a-day: +Matt Porter sucks..."
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  • [16:22:39] <mdp> prpplague: I already filed a complaint with HR...jkridner's days are numbered.
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  • [16:25:05] <alan_o> hah
  • [16:25:28] <alan_o> I didn't even think about the chopped-up headline
  • [16:25:58] <alan_o> Paging Dr. Frued to the antique computing wing
  • [16:26:34] <alan_o> mdp: hey, at least you're the first google hit for "matt porter sucks" now :)
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  • [16:27:32] <mdp> alan_o, it was my goal to be better than the other matt porters at something
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  • [16:38:36] <joelagnel> mdp, I don't have commit rights or own repositories on arago, so I've safe :-P
  • [16:38:40] <joelagnel> *I'm
  • [16:38:53] <mdp> ;)
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  • [16:50:10] <CareBear\> prpplague : so what did you tell them? and how did they react?
  • [16:50:41] <prpplague> CareBear\: i hinted that i knew prpplague
  • [16:50:46] <prpplague> CareBear\: when they asked again
  • [16:50:53] <prpplague> CareBear\: told them that it was my nick
  • [16:50:59] <prpplague> CareBear\: they were pretty happy, hehe
  • [16:51:06] <mdp> TGIF
  • [16:51:42] <CareBear\> very good
  • [16:54:27] * prpplague decides to go home
  • [16:54:30] <prpplague> bbiab
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  • [16:58:01] <mdp> all he needed was a friday reminder..yay
  • [16:58:43] <alan_o> mdp: it's only Friday in the US, you insensitive clod!
  • [16:58:56] <mdp> alan_o, I like to taunt
  • [17:00:10] <alan_o> mdp: hehe. We have to get it in while we can. I think in Europe they learn how to taunt us at an early age.
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  • [17:02:22] <mdp> thanks, mranostay
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  • [17:04:38] <Wipster> does anyone here know much about the PRU subsystem of the AM335x? Is there a disassembler for it hanging about?
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  • [17:08:37] <mdp> Wipster: AFAIK, no disassembler.
  • [17:08:56] <mdp> not provided in https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package unless there's some option I missed or not documented on pasm
  • [17:11:28] <Wipster> mdp, ah thanks for the info. Would it be hard to spin a patch for binutils? not many instructions...
  • [17:12:19] <denix> mdp: on the contrary - arago-project is safe because joelagnel has no repos there... :-P
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  • [17:22:35] <mdp> denix, ouch!
  • [17:23:29] <joelagnel> mdp, denix, see, so we're me and arago-project are both safe. everyone's happy ;)
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  • [17:23:57] <mdp> Wipster: it's doable...several people have expressed interest if somebody would support pru in binutils...but nobody eager enough to do it yet
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  • [17:27:12] <denix> mdp: cause your joke grew beard already...
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  • [17:27:46] * mdp looks around nervously for "those above"
  • [17:27:59] <Wipster> mdp, thanks for the info, I like the 'yet' part :)
  • [17:29:05] <mdp> Wipster, yes, it's solidly at the "It would be great if . . ." stage.
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  • [17:30:09] <Wipster> mdp, well I was looking at the opcode formats today for the 4 types and thought hmmm
  • [17:30:56] <alan_o> Wipster: shift and mask!
  • [17:31:29] <Wipster> alan_o, sorry?
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  • [17:32:08] <alan_o> Wipster: disassembly
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  • [17:37:11] <Wipster> ok well I shall be back in a bit, cheers for the info
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  • [17:45:25] <CareBear\> alan_o : did you just volunteer to implement a disassembler?!
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  • [17:47:21] <mdp> CareBear\: I heard him volunteer, he threw out some guru jargon so that was good enough for me
  • [17:47:21] * alan_o turns his head and look behind
  • [17:47:24] <alan_o> me?
  • [17:47:41] <CareBear\> mdp : good - so it wasn't just me!
  • [17:47:52] <alan_o> man... another project for the queue
  • [17:48:08] <alan_o> .push_back(disassemble_pru)
  • [17:48:18] <alan_o> oh wait, C++ gets me flamed in here
  • [17:48:35] <Russ> list_add buddy
  • [17:48:36] * mdp makes the "L" sign on his head at alan_o's C++
  • [17:48:38] <CareBear\> Wipster : come on, you can do it
  • [17:49:01] <panto> hehe
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  • [18:07:42] <mranostay> i almost rather code java than C++ :)
  • [18:08:27] <alan_o> mranostay: then you are almost wrong :)
  • [18:09:27] <mranostay> i can read java at least
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  • [18:10:16] <_av500_> i can read the letters, yes
  • [18:10:20] <alan_o> The good thing about C++ is the STL. Typesafe containers for all types.
  • [18:10:32] <mdp> alan_o, this has got to be a friday joke, I think
  • [18:10:38] <mdp> c'mon, mranostay...punchline!
  • [18:10:48] <alan_o> if it compiles, you probably did it close to right.
  • [18:11:02] <mdp> "almost done"
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  • [18:11:15] <alan_o> yeah
  • [18:11:16] <alan_o> "unit test complete"
  • [18:11:27] <mdp> ...
  • [18:11:30] <mdp> "ship it"
  • [18:11:35] <alan_o> I'm not one of those crazy template guys, don't worry
  • [18:12:40] <mdp> non-crazy templates then, ok
  • [18:13:45] <alan_o> believe me, there is a difference
  • [18:14:15] <mdp> we don't deal with anything but black/white here, thank you
  • [18:14:24] <mdp> *evil* templates
  • [18:14:26] <alan_o> hah
  • [18:14:49] <alan_o> that's kind of the thing with C++. It's so big that people hate it for what _can_ do.
  • [18:14:58] <alan_o> but if it's insane, just don't do that
  • [18:15:18] <KotH> alan_o: factory factory?
  • [18:15:22] <mdp> alan_o, and btw, it's well known to be the cause of the failure of Iridium...true story ;)
  • [18:15:27] <_av500_> factoryFactory
  • [18:15:33] <alan_o> KotH: yeah, that stuff is insane
  • [18:15:52] <mdp> alan_o, engineers told the s/w director at moto that they failed because of C++ to hide their own failures ;)
  • [18:15:55] <_av500_> singletonFactory
  • [18:16:07] <alan_o> and it's not that a factory is insane in all cases, it's that _typically_ when you see code that has factories in it, it's often alongside a lot of crazy.
  • [18:16:11] <mdp> simpletonFactory
  • [18:16:48] <panto> alan_o, C++ is just another write only language
  • [18:17:03] <panto> god help you if you get dropped into the middle of an old C++ codebase
  • [18:17:09] <alan_o> panto: some write it that way, yes
  • [18:17:10] <alan_o> panto: that's my life :)
  • [18:17:44] <alan_o> panto: but being in the middle of an old C++ codebase isn't much different than being dropped into the middle of an old C codebase, at least in my experience.
  • [18:18:16] <alan_o> it isn't helped by the fact that back in the 90s, it was popular to have the IDE make a bunch of code for you on windows
  • [18:18:20] <alan_o> VC and Borland
  • [18:18:23] <panto> alan_o, at least you can _fix_ the c codebase
  • [18:18:31] <alan_o> and you got code that people didn't actually look at, by design
  • [18:18:57] <panto> another holy war :)
  • [18:19:00] <alan_o> but... with discipline, and code review, C++ can be made clean and good, just like any other language.
  • [18:19:24] <alan_o> and civility and bipartisanship
  • [18:20:10] <panto> fat chance
  • [18:20:10] <_av500_> and a flame thrower
  • [18:20:24] <alan_o> but, it can also be a nightmare, and so can C, and so can python, and even perl (I know it's hard to imagine)
  • [18:20:25] <panto> never seen it happen :)
  • [18:20:36] <alan_o> you've never worked for me :)
  • [18:20:43] <panto> heh
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  • [18:58:34] <_av500_> at least somebody works
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  • [19:04:15] <mranostay> _av500_: working is overrated
  • [19:09:18] <woglinde> yes
  • [19:09:31] <woglinde> somebody has to got the money
  • [19:09:37] <woglinde> get
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  • [19:18:18] <koen> joelagnel: pulling in the patchset now, had to do some v3.2 work first before turkey time :(
  • [19:19:27] <mranostay> koen: er you have to take US holidays?
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  • [19:20:15] <ds2> dutch turkeys? are they wooden?
  • [19:20:59] <mranostay> ds2: that would still be better than tofukey
  • [19:21:55] <ds2> heh
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  • [19:22:20] <koen> mranostay: I take what I can get
  • [19:22:57] <arcanescu> bunch of kids dropped in C and C++ meh.....
  • [19:23:00] <arcanescu> Go TURBO assembler
  • [19:23:16] * KotH gives arcanescu a cane...there you go pops!
  • [19:23:26] <koen> mranostay: but I was actually referring to the .us people going crazy to finish deadlines
  • [19:23:27] <arcanescu> ty KotH
  • [19:23:40] <KotH> though.. i still ought to have a floppy with TASM somewhere...
  • [19:23:45] <arcanescu> TASM
  • [19:23:49] <arcanescu> is the thingg!!!!
  • [19:23:51] <arcanescu> was *
  • [19:23:55] <KotH> yeah
  • [19:24:24] <arcanescu> i made a tracking system, and the code for the micro was written in tasm
  • [19:24:52] <arcanescu> 50+ files object code was kb's
  • [19:24:56] <arcanescu> and it worked like a charm
  • [19:24:59] <KotH> it was the first programming "language" i learned... because nothing else would run on a 286 :)
  • [19:24:59] <koen> joelagnel: I'm also not convinced it's lcdc clocks that are getting shut of, since DVI and LCD capes do work with 3.7
  • [19:25:21] <arcanescu> KotH: you need that cane more then i do :)
  • [19:25:31] <KotH> arcanescu: that was in '98 :)
  • [19:25:44] <arcanescu> im 25
  • [19:25:53] <KotH> oh..dear...a baby!
  • [19:26:01] <mru> KotH: borland c 2.0 ran on 286
  • [19:26:07] <arcanescu> but TASM
  • [19:26:17] <KotH> mru: yes, but i couldnt get my hands on such old versions in '98
  • [19:26:54] <mru> you should've asked me, I still had the floppies then
  • [19:27:00] <KotH> lol
  • [19:27:12] <KotH> mru: i had only heard about the internet back then
  • [19:27:37] <KotH> mru: much less about video coding or this guy who wrote his own video player because he didnt like hungarian shit
  • [19:27:45] <mru> my school got internet in 94 iirc
  • [19:27:59] <KotH> '98 here
  • [19:28:14] <KotH> and in '99 we had at home the faster inet connection than our school
  • [19:28:19] * bradfa now loves reset circuits... The fun never ends! </sarcasm>
  • [19:29:09] <KotH> bradfa: reset circuits are like dc/dc converters: very few people know how to design them, although all the information you need is in the datasheet
  • [19:30:25] <bradfa> KotH, yes, but usually dc-dc converters don't have 4500 page data sheets :)
  • [19:30:48] <mru> you mean I have to *read*?!
  • [19:31:26] <bradfa> KotH, my most favoritest part on the bone until recently was the tps65217, so apt comparison :)
  • [19:31:36] <ds2> who needs reset circuits....
  • [19:31:47] <bradfa> ds2, some guy named SMSC
  • [19:31:52] <bradfa> weird name
  • [19:32:05] <ds2> no brown out detection?
  • [19:32:15] <ds2> even a puny 430 has that
  • [19:32:29] <bradfa> ds2, we don't have brownouts, we have lithium battery!
  • [19:32:45] <bradfa> but now I digress
  • [19:32:46] <ds2> heh Li batteries
  • [19:32:49] <mru> blowouts then
  • [19:33:03] <bradfa> customer wants 5 hours run time on lithium battery at -40 C
  • [19:33:06] <bradfa> we laughed
  • [19:33:15] <ds2> no problem
  • [19:33:22] <ds2> 5 hours it is
  • [19:33:24] <ds2> got backpack?
  • [19:33:26] <ds2> ;)
  • [19:33:32] <mru> heated battery
  • [19:33:33] <bradfa> ds2, we told them to buy heaters
  • [19:33:35] <mru> easy
  • [19:33:45] <bradfa> at that temp spending watts on heat might actually extend operating time
  • [19:33:57] <KotH> bradfa: wtf? a reset circuit with a 1k page datasheet?
  • [19:34:00] <ds2> might not need to buy heaters
  • [19:34:10] <ds2> use a thinner gauge and keep current flowing
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  • [19:34:16] <ds2> and have a min power usage spec
  • [19:34:18] <bradfa> KotH, am335x trm is 4500 pages, has reset info in it, does that not count?
  • [19:34:47] <KotH> bradfa: how long is the docu on the reset circuitry ?
  • [19:34:55] <bradfa> KotH, like 10 pages
  • [19:34:57] <KotH> lol
  • [19:34:59] <bradfa> but it contradicts itself
  • [19:35:04] <KotH> :-/
  • [19:35:10] <bradfa> and at least one figure is a copy-paste error
  • [19:35:17] <bradfa> so that was fun
  • [19:35:20] <KotH> soudns freescalish
  • [19:35:30] <bradfa> KotH, doesn't some guy from Freescale run TI now?
  • [19:35:33] <bradfa> or something?
  • [19:35:37] <bradfa> make sense then...
  • [19:35:51] * bradfa is now off to read about 555 timers and make homebrew reset enforcer!
  • [19:36:09] <KotH> lol
  • [19:36:14] <KotH> the 555 will never die!
  • [19:36:24] <bradfa> cape contest entry: "Reset Enforcer!"
  • [19:36:31] <mru> why a 555? rc circuit not good enough for you?
  • [19:36:41] <KotH> funny thing: nobody thought the 555 would be comercialy viable :)
  • [19:36:42] <bradfa> mru, 555 uses rc circuit, no? :)
  • [19:36:57] <mru> sure
  • [19:37:00] <KotH> bradfa: the tps65217 looks like fun
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  • [19:37:10] <bradfa> KotH, oh it is!
  • [19:37:25] * bradfa skimpers away before anyone calls him on sending a patch for tps65217 power button...
  • [19:37:29] <KotH> bradfa: i'm glad i dont have to deal with it
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  • [19:39:13] <_av500_> hmm, a reset cape for the bone
  • [19:39:38] <KotH> hmm..
  • [19:39:58] <joelagnel> koen, did you try getting it to work without CONFIG_OMAP_RESET_CLOCKS=y ?
  • [19:40:01] <_av500_> or parallel cluster of 64 new 555s
  • [19:40:01] <KotH> how many people know what s or p orbitals are (context: atomic model)
  • [19:40:26] <koen> joelagnel: dvi and lcd capes work with CONFIG_OMAP_RESET_CLOCKS=y, havent tried hdmi yet
  • [19:40:28] <bradfa> KotH, in highschool I did...
  • [19:40:38] <mru> KotH: sounds vaguely familiar
  • [19:41:09] <joelagnel> koen, let me do a quick test
  • [19:41:20] <ds2> KotH: 2 and 8?
  • [19:41:33] <KotH> damn.. then i have to explain what that is
  • [19:41:35] <KotH> thanks boys
  • [19:41:47] <_av500_> KotH: all obsolete, we have 3d printers now
  • [19:41:48] <ds2> now go draw those orbitals
  • [19:42:01] <ds2> and provide equations for the electron density distribution
  • [19:42:28] <mru> isn't the simplest one a sphere?
  • [19:42:42] <KotH> ds2: i'm only doing a presentation on atomic clocks, not nuclear physics
  • [19:42:53] <joelagnel> koen, you're right, ok. I will drop that from the patch then
  • [19:42:55] <ds2> can't be a sphere
  • [19:43:00] <ds2> it holds 2 electrons
  • [19:43:07] <koen> joelagnel: I can update it tomorrow
  • [19:43:14] <mru> the psychology of atomic clocks?
  • [19:43:22] <koen> joelagnel: I need to work on some other cape stuff anyway
  • [19:43:24] <ds2> enough ugly visions of icky equations
  • [19:43:33] <mru> ds2: H has only one e
  • [19:43:35] <koen> but since it's a holiday I can work on it while drinking beer in the afternoon
  • [19:43:39] <joelagnel> koen, ah ok, cool
  • [19:43:40] <joelagnel> :)
  • [19:43:55] <ds2> mru: yes, but that orbital isn't full... He is the filled orbital
  • [19:44:03] <ds2> and H doesn't exists byitself at RTP
  • [19:45:56] <KotH> mru: more the psychological implications of high precision time measurments in a freudian context
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  • [19:45:59] <koen> joelagnel: and something is wonky with the cec module
  • [19:46:29] <koen> drivers/video/nxp/tda998x_cec.c: In function 'cec_on':
  • [19:46:30] <koen> drivers/video/nxp/tda998x_cec.c:459:4: error: implicit declaration of function 'gpio_direction_output'
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  • [19:46:40] <koen> anyway, afk
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  • [19:49:23] <alan_o> koen: just change your build settings and make that a warning. Problem solved
  • [19:51:18] <ds2> 1
  • [19:53:41] <bradfa> KotH, atomic clock cape?
  • [19:54:37] <joelagnel> koen, CEC shouldn't be built
  • [19:54:43] <KotH> bradfa: easy to do, just get a clock from ebay, mount it ontop of some spare pcb, done
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  • [19:55:20] <joelagnel> Did you try to build modules? ahh... the main HDMI stuff is built-in, I think modules will break, we need to undefine TDA_CEC in drivers/video/nxp/Makefile
  • [19:59:43] <ds2> ~.
  • [20:03:43] <ds2> blah
  • [20:07:55] <keesj> did anybody here do some profiling the beagle (either using jtag/etb or the linaro qemu emulator?)
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  • [20:59:01] <SilicaGel> Which one of you is Vladimir!
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  • [21:02:55] <mranostay> SilicaGel: who wants to know?
  • [21:03:12] <SilicaGel> I posted a link to my zigbee load controller on my g+
  • [21:03:20] <SilicaGel> so a bunch of people from here became my g+ friends which was really nice!
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  • [21:03:30] <SilicaGel> Except one of them is exploding my ... stream or ... whatever it's called!
  • [21:03:40] * mranostay throws _av500_ under the bus
  • [21:03:45] <SilicaGel> AH HAH!
  • [21:03:50] <mranostay> SilicaGel: artsy posts?
  • [21:03:59] <SilicaGel> Do you know what he is? a TWITTER SHITTER!
  • [21:04:14] <SilicaGel> http://data.tumblr.com/g0vKHeINWirbib2eLLYgcdiNo1_500.jpg # twitter shitter
  • [21:05:01] <SilicaGel> well one of the posts is kinda arts but
  • [21:05:01] <SilicaGel> https://plus.google.com/112266164281670850856/posts/YxPUBwFzwSB
  • [21:05:06] <SilicaGel> I have NO IDEA what the hell taht is but it's way cool
  • [21:05:09] <SilicaGel> it's like roswell rods
  • [21:05:52] <woglinde> bitbang again?
  • [21:06:05] <SilicaGel> I'm not sure what that means. Is that what that thing is?
  • [21:06:20] <_av500_> SilicaGel: sorry
  • [21:06:24] <_av500_> uncirle me
  • [21:06:29] <woglinde> lol
  • [21:06:30] <SilicaGel> _av500_: it's okay, I mostly just wanted to give you crap :D
  • [21:06:34] <SilicaGel> _av500_: at least you're interesting :D
  • [21:06:46] <mranostay> more interesting in real life
  • [21:06:53] * _av500_ blushes
  • [21:07:35] <mranostay> i still say we need to get a troll BoF at ELC
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  • [21:09:15] <alan_o> mranostay: +1
  • [21:09:35] <_av500_> SilicaGel: the url in that post goes to the artistd website
  • [21:09:45] <SilicaGel> oh ok
  • [21:10:24] <SilicaGel> wha turl i don't see it
  • [21:10:37] <SilicaGel> the link goes to tumblr
  • [21:10:46] <SilicaGel> which to my understanding is an amateur porn hosting site
  • [21:10:49] <SilicaGel> so I'm not sure why this is on it!
  • [21:11:03] <_av500_> https://plus.google.com/112266164281670850856/posts/3t1uC7L1Jh1
  • [21:11:19] <_av500_> lol
  • [21:11:43] <_av500_> not all of tumblr is porn, only 60%
  • [21:11:49] <SilicaGel> OH it's people!
  • [21:11:51] <SilicaGel> Now I see them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • [21:11:58] <SilicaGel> Wow that's cool
  • [21:12:12] <SilicaGel> some of those other ones look like lemmings
  • [21:12:38] <SilicaGel> What is your schematic, are you made out of tubes?
  • [21:12:45] <_av500_> yup
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  • [21:13:00] <SilicaGel> CQ ham radio?
  • [21:13:25] <SilicaGel> If I were a tube I would want to be a 3-500Z
  • [21:13:27] <SilicaGel> sturdy, reliable
  • [21:13:31] <SilicaGel> difficult to blow up
  • [21:14:33] <_av500_> SilicaGel: I'm not a ham, just surrounded by them
  • [21:14:47] <_av500_> my coworker is dl8aau
  • [21:14:58] <_av500_> whatever that means :)
  • [21:15:35] <SilicaGel> it means if he passed his exam 21 peopel sooner he would ahve had a really cool callsign
  • [21:15:59] <SilicaGel> damned keyboard
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  • [21:27:58] <_av500_> :)
  • [21:28:10] <_av500_> you can pick yours here these days
  • [21:28:27] <_av500_> have a friend called Felix that has dl8flx
  • [21:29:19] <mru> the extreme hams change their name to their callsign
  • [21:34:51] <_av500_> im still upset I did not get the AV500 license plates here
  • [21:35:51] <mdp> the t-shirt is a poor consolation prize
  • [21:35:58] <_av500_> something like av being reserved for motor bikes, then I saw other cars with it here
  • [21:35:59] <mru> _av500_: no underscores allowed?
  • [21:37:27] <mdp> hrm, lead time on the a13 olinuxino is 13 weeks here...another board that doesn't exist
  • [21:38:15] <mdp> aha, digikey has stock
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  • [21:39:53] <_av500_> get the a10, only 10 weeks
  • [21:40:02] <_av500_> or that nikon D1
  • [21:40:14] <mdp> I should wait for the A11
  • [21:40:29] <mdp> or join them and make the A11 reality
  • [21:40:48] <_av500_> mdp: I can make that happen
  • [21:41:15] <mdp> I'm think though, I would join, make the A9 have a cortex-a8..and A8 have a cortex-a9...just for fun
  • [21:43:14] <mru> there are too many things called An
  • [21:43:46] <mdp> no, that's not true
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  • [21:43:51] <_av500_> we almost made our own Soc at a time, it was to be called A1
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  • [21:44:37] <mdp> I would make mine AAAAAAAA1 be sure to be listed first in the yellow pages
  • [21:44:52] <_av500_> mdp: listed first in google too?
  • [21:45:02] <_av500_> open google at page one
  • [21:45:06] <_av500_> and start to read
  • [21:45:16] <mdp> lick finger and turn page
  • [21:45:36] <mdp> are you saying my marketing campaign is antiquated?
  • [21:45:39] <_av500_> theres a chrome extension
  • [21:46:09] <_av500_> wtf, one hsd to wear pants in SF now?
  • [21:46:34] <ds2> _av500_: now you need change your plans for ELC next year...
  • [21:46:36] <mdp> it's an unenforced guideline
  • [21:46:53] <mdp> except in the financial district
  • [21:46:59] <_av500_> because some guy called Wiener said so
  • [21:47:09] <_av500_> you people have no mercy
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  • [21:47:10] <mru> _av500_: pants only? I can't wear my skirt?
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  • [21:47:45] <_av500_> hmm
  • [21:48:19] <_av500_> I quote: A person may not expose his or her genitals, perineum, or anal region on any public street, sidewalk, street median, parklet, or plaza, or in any transit vehicle, station, platform, or stop of any government operated transit system in the City and County of San Francisco.
  • [21:48:42] <mru> so women may still go topless?
  • [21:48:52] <_av500_> i think so
  • [21:49:13] <mru> and it says "his or her", what about transgender people?
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  • [21:50:01] <_av500_> ask Mr. Wiener
  • [21:52:17] <mdp> now there's nothing to see in the city, I'm changing vacation plans
  • [21:52:54] <ds2> maybe they really need to add an age clause to that list
  • [21:53:24] <mru> it should certainly be forbidden for ugly people to walk about naked
  • [21:55:52] <Crofton|work> I have been to SFO a few times and have seen no naked people
  • [21:55:57] <Crofton|work> ugly or otherwise
  • [21:56:07] <_av500_> you did it wrong
  • [21:56:25] <Crofton|work> apparently
  • [21:56:29] <_av500_> Crofton|work: somebody has to make a start
  • [21:56:36] <Crofton|work> come to ELC and show me how to do it right
  • [21:56:42] <mru> hmm, do they now have "no nudity" signs at the border to inform (naked) travellers?
  • [21:57:20] <mru> such a sign would clearly need to be graphical to ensure it is understood by non-english speakers
  • [21:58:48] <KotH> curious thought: what would you say, if i told you that there are lots of germans who come to switzerland, because there is no law that forbids naked hiking?
  • [21:59:05] <Jacmet> heh
  • [21:59:17] <mru> I've seen naked people in parks in germany
  • [21:59:44] <KotH> being naked is not that uncommon in .ch and .de
  • [21:59:48] <_av500_> yup
  • [21:59:57] <thurbad> even though it's a bit cold there?
  • [21:59:57] <KotH> at the lakes and rivers, you usually see a couple of naked people during summer
  • [22:00:21] <_av500_> you see them in Munich in the "Englischer Garten" park
  • [22:00:56] <KotH> there is even a term here in .ch called "military bathing trunks" :-)
  • [22:01:18] <mru> _av500_: waiting for the sun to come?
  • [22:01:28] <KotH> mru: rather for the beer
  • [22:01:39] <KotH> it's munich after all
  • [22:02:01] <_av500_> munich has plenty of sun
  • [22:02:09] <mru> maybe it was night
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  • [22:04:44] <_av500_> mru: ah, I read on, breasts and buttocks are exempt
  • [22:04:48] <_av500_> wrt SF
  • [22:05:21] <KotH> so this wiener guy has nothing against seeing some nice boobs?
  • [22:05:43] <mdp> nice
  • [22:05:51] <mru> exempt from what? boobs are not genitals
  • [22:06:00] <mru> so they're not covered in the first place
  • [22:06:04] <mru> (no pun intended)
  • [22:06:34] <KotH> gah! democracy sucks!
  • [22:06:51] <KotH> how the heck am i supposed to know what international treaties make sense?
  • [22:07:17] <mru> there are ones that do?
  • [22:07:21] <Crofton|work> discuss: http://trotify.com/
  • [22:07:33] <KotH> Crofton|work: this is not 4chan
  • [22:08:51] <_av500_> awesome
  • [22:09:05] <mdp> I expected it to be found on kickstarter
  • [22:09:46] <_av500_> mdp: I am kickstarting a rip-off as we speak
  • [22:09:46] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [22:09:56] <mru> it's missing a llama joke
  • [22:10:13] <_av500_> I'll call it spotify, it will bang 2 iphones together
  • [22:10:58] <mdp> add some bits and I'll back it
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  • [22:12:07] <_av500_> mdp: hmm, SPItify
  • [22:13:00] <mdp> production grade jtag for your cubieboard: http://linux-sunxi.org/File:Cubieboard_MMC2_JTAG_final.jpg
  • [22:13:58] <Jacmet> mdp: glue for the win
  • [22:14:10] <_av500_> mdp: looks like what we do
  • [22:14:14] <_av500_> except the glue
  • [22:14:20] <_av500_> we sniff that
  • [22:14:27] <mdp> understood
  • [22:15:27] <KotH> i'd use something else than hot glue to sniff
  • [22:15:34] <KotH> it kind of burns in the nose, you know?
  • [22:15:49] <mdp> _av500_, that character lcd project was from back in march timeframe and boris just +1'ed it ;)
  • [22:15:50] <mru> and doesn't contain many solvents, if any
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  • [22:16:12] <KotH> some smell like shit though
  • [22:16:45] <mru> mdp: I was digging through a box of junk for something the other and found a 16x2 lcd
  • [22:17:07] <mru> the thought occurred to me to attach it to a bone but now I don't need to
  • [22:17:16] <mdp> whatever you do, don't reuse code if you make it work
  • [22:17:19] <ds2> oooh....
  • [22:17:23] <ds2> write the LIDD code for it
  • [22:17:56] <mru> lidd?
  • [22:18:06] <_av500_> mdp: i come across 44780, I cannot resist
  • [22:18:16] <ds2> yes, LIDD
  • [22:18:29] <ds2> there is an accelerator for that sort of displays
  • [22:18:41] <ds2> I'd do it for my VFD 20x4 displays but they are UART interfaced
  • [22:18:52] <_av500_> mdp: i like how that code passes the state array with each call
  • [22:19:10] <_av500_> ds2: VFD 4x20 is awesome
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  • [22:19:21] <mru> my idea was to bitbang a proper tty driver of course
  • [22:19:25] <_av500_> I have the noritake one
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  • [22:19:42] <mdp> I guess we need a bitbanger's BoF too
  • [22:20:14] <mru> would there be a difference?
  • [22:20:16] * ds2 curses at Android HALs
  • [22:20:28] <ds2> blasted userland crap
  • [22:20:30] <_av500_> ha, I have an idea for elce game: make a contraption with switches and let people bitbang protocolls on the fly
  • [22:20:31] <mru> hal 9000?
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  • [22:20:45] <ds2> yes, might as well be a hal 9000
  • [22:21:06] <mdp> ds2, it has to make your life easier
  • [22:21:07] <mru> does it insist on calling you "dave"?
  • [22:21:15] <_av500_> mru: "Andy"
  • [22:22:12] <ds2> mdp: are FAE's required to know how to use a chisel?
  • [22:22:32] <mru> to remove bga chips from boards?
  • [22:22:43] <ds2> to get out of the rock and hard places
  • [22:22:45] <mdp> ds2, a virtual chisel?!?
  • [22:23:03] <_av500_> a chipsel?
  • [22:24:37] <ds2> from what I have seen, it looks like a non virtual one
  • [22:25:17] <mru> did you stab someone with it?
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  • [22:28:46] <_av500_> fstab
  • [22:31:05] <mdp> ds2, they don't let me have contact with FAEs any longer...no idea how well they are armed
  • [22:32:05] <ds2> oh hehehe
  • [22:32:09] <ds2> I see
  • [22:32:25] <_av500_> ARMed, haha
  • [22:32:50] <mdp> FSL FAEs are now unARMed
  • [22:32:54] <mru> if you meet a bear unarmed, leg it
  • [22:33:03] <mdp> LEG
  • [22:33:22] <mru> I take it you heard of the linaro enterprise group
  • [22:33:29] <mdp> hence...LEG
  • [22:33:42] <_av500_> when the revolution comes, they are the first ....
  • [22:34:08] <mdp> hehe
  • [22:35:26] <_av500_> ok, need to rest, happy thanksthursday for you turnkey lovers
  • [22:35:42] <Crofton|work> gn
  • [22:36:10] <mru> I thought there was no rest for the wicked
  • [22:36:41] <_av500_> I am the rest of the wicked here
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  • [22:37:14] <mru> or was it no wicks for the rested?
  • [22:37:42] <mru> http://www.treelobsters.com/2011/11/320-waxing-philosophical.html
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  • [22:38:41] <_av500_> +1
  • [22:38:45] <_av500_> [like]
  • [22:38:47] <_av500_> RT
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  • [22:46:00] <mdp> happy t-day, .usians....bbm
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  • [23:05:03] <mranostay> _av500_: sniff clue worship satan.. nice :)
  • [23:05:06] <mranostay> *glue
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  • [23:25:15] <mru> mranostay: if only more people sniffed clue...
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  • [23:27:51] <mranostay> i effing hate wrong endian systems...
  • [23:28:06] <mranostay> i know ARM is one generally..
  • [23:28:32] <mru> wrong is just a matter of mirrors
  • [23:28:43] <mru> what's your beef today?
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  • [23:44:50] <ds2> can we please block *@gmail.com accounts on the beagle list?
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  • [23:56:14] <jacekowski> why not block *@*
  • [23:56:45] <mru> allow only local domain?
  • [23:56:59] <ds2> *@gmail.com is infested with spammers
  • [23:57:23] <mru> if we restricted it to *@beagleboard.org it would be much nicer
  • [23:57:33] <ds2> I can deal with that
  • [23:57:42] <mru> you have one of those?
  • [23:57:56] <ds2> I can deal with not posting
  • [23:58:21] <mru> it's a while since I've posted to that list...
  • [23:58:31] <scromp> i've blocked all of *.uk myself
  • [23:59:02] <mru> that's a bit harsh
  • [23:59:37] <ds2> *.?? is more effective
  • [23:59:53] <mru> why don't you just unplug the cable?