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  • [06:30:07] <mranostay> it isn't morning till _av500_ posts
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  • [07:44:28] <mranostay> everyone must be hungover
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  • [07:50:34] <mdp> bah. you are sooo early
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  • [07:53:39] <cuongle> hello everyone, I followed this link to build opencv 2.4.2 for BB-xM: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Building_OpenCV_for_ARM_Cortex-A8
  • [07:54:06] <mdp> mranostay, prpplague has way too many good pru bitbanging ideas
  • [07:54:21] <cuongle> and I cross-compiled an simple code to run in the BB
  • [07:54:32] <cuongle> after that, I get this error:
  • [07:54:49] <cuongle> error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
  • [07:56:03] <cuongle> how can I fix it?
  • [07:56:09] <cuongle> thank you so much
  • [07:56:19] <Crofton> this premium wifi is so much better
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  • [08:12:41] <mranostay> mdp: the chapstick here is really really european :)
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  • [08:14:47] <mranostay> panto: where arez youz?
  • [08:15:02] <panto> good morning fellow trolls
  • [08:15:04] <mranostay> i can't spot the bald head in
  • [08:15:20] <panto> too many hairily challenged persons around
  • [08:15:24] <panto> I'm near the front
  • [08:15:39] <panto> have spare seats to the left and to the right
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  • [08:19:38] <mdp> panto, can you save me a seat?
  • [08:19:50] <mdp> on my way
  • [08:19:58] <mranostay> i can't find a seat up front
  • [08:20:04] <mranostay> i'm way in the back
  • [08:21:11] <panto> got two seats next to me
  • [08:21:15] <panto> I'm keeping one
  • [08:22:01] <panto> if you come here fast enough you'll get the other too
  • [08:22:10] <panto> the guy next to me just has his bag on it
  • [08:22:43] <panto> mranostay, have you seen me?
  • [08:22:47] <panto> looking at the back right now
  • [08:22:58] <panto> follow mdp
  • [08:23:48] <mranostay> ah nm
  • [08:24:16] <panto> the guy just doodles on his phone that's on the chair
  • [08:24:19] <mranostay> btw is the sched site down for maintenance always
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  • [08:28:38] <mranostay> Crofton: sarcasm?
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  • [08:36:08] <mranostay> av500: exact steps
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  • [08:39:02] <mranostay> ah i know that pcb service
  • [08:43:52] <mdp> mranostay: I use http://www.oshpark.com/
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  • [09:42:43] <mdp> av500 trolled Linus....live!
  • [09:43:21] <mru> pics or it didn't happen
  • [09:45:29] <mranostay> heh
  • [09:49:13] <mranostay> help i'm surrounded by trolls
  • [09:50:26] <LetoThe2nd> ah, the "nvidia" was av500?
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  • [09:52:14] <KotH> mru: i sat near him, i've seen it!
  • [09:52:54] <mranostay> heh
  • [09:52:55] <mru> then I'll have to slice up your brain and extract the images
  • [09:53:12] <LetoThe2nd> mru: just use the essence of life.
  • [09:53:13] <mranostay> seems a bit much
  • [09:53:40] <mru> my friends the white mice say it's perfectly reasonable
  • [09:53:56] <mru> he could get a replacement brain
  • [09:54:26] <mru> it would only need to mumble "where's the chocolate?" once in a while
  • [09:55:14] <mranostay> i distract him while you pop out the brain
  • [09:56:29] <mdp> real serial killer material here
  • [09:57:16] <mranostay> someone is aiming to be victim #2 :P
  • [09:57:54] <mranostay> mdp: you in this video talk?
  • [09:59:07] <mdp> mranostay, fbdev forever!
  • [09:59:36] <_av500_> yo!
  • [10:01:02] <mdp> android is a cheap substitute for real linux
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  • [10:01:54] <keesj> Linux does carry a LOT of legacy
  • [10:01:55] <_av500_> mdp: writing that on your openmoko phone?
  • [10:02:04] <_av500_> keesj: there is always minix
  • [10:02:23] <keesj> :P
  • [10:02:28] <mranostay> hipster OSs'?
  • [10:02:34] <_av500_> yeah
  • [10:02:49] <panto> amiga os! the original os that vim was developed for
  • [10:02:53] <mdp> _av500_: i have a vim plugin on it that can dial a call while i'm coding
  • [10:02:56] <mranostay> do i have to wear a pork-pie hat to run that?
  • [10:03:18] <_av500_> mdp: lie, openmoko could not call
  • [10:03:33] <mdp> you got me there
  • [10:03:35] <_av500_> it was all buz
  • [10:03:38] <_av500_> +z
  • [10:03:38] * mdp sulks
  • [10:04:05] <mdp> you and your facts...
  • [10:04:13] <mru> facts are overrated
  • [10:04:16] <mranostay> heh where did that meme come from?
  • [10:04:30] <keesj> The "linux" term has become a term for describing the GNU/POSIX/X11 stuff it's weird
  • [10:04:31] <_av500_> exact facts?
  • [10:04:45] <_av500_> send me the factz please
  • [10:05:05] <mru> fake, the real ones say "plz"
  • [10:05:26] <mranostay> r u sure plz?
  • [10:05:28] <keesj> but it might be interresting to have a non GNU kernel running Android
  • [10:05:37] <_av500_> no, pls for steps, !!! for codez
  • [10:05:45] <mru> keesj: nobody runs gnu kernels
  • [10:05:58] <panto> mranostay, in which session are you?
  • [10:06:01] <_av500_> anobody taking notes for this session?
  • [10:06:07] <_av500_> panto: v4l2
  • [10:06:14] <mdp> duh
  • [10:06:15] <keesj> Linux is GNU GPL code
  • [10:06:16] <mranostay> yeah you are behind me
  • [10:06:34] <mru> keesj: linux is not a gnu project
  • [10:06:37] <mdp> mranostay, i just gave him the "duh" look
  • [10:06:53] <mdp> linux is gnuseless
  • [10:06:54] <keesj> mru: you a right. I is still GPL
  • [10:07:08] <mru> so?
  • [10:07:23] <mranostay> canz i haz exact license, pls
  • [10:08:04] <keesj> so it limits what users are allowed to do with it.
  • [10:08:13] <mru> no
  • [10:09:25] <keesj> are you trolling me?
  • [10:09:40] <mru> never
  • [10:09:52] <mru> the gpl does not restrict use
  • [10:10:16] <mranostay> mru: well minus the v3
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  • [10:10:24] <mru> linux is gplv2
  • [10:10:33] <mranostay> mru: yes yes
  • [10:10:37] <keesj> if favors freedom of code over freedom of the users of that code
  • [10:11:06] <mru> the gpl does not limit what you can run on the linux kernel
  • [10:12:10] <keesj> unless it's a binary blob interacting with the kernel and as long as you follow the GPL rules your a fine
  • [10:12:26] <mru> binary blobs are just fine
  • [10:12:57] <mru> they can be annoying, but that's another matter
  • [10:13:01] <keesj> as long as they don't use "export_gpl" functions of the kernel
  • [10:13:01] <mranostay> they attack sometimes i'm told
  • [10:13:19] <keesj> is restricts the people using Linux as kernel
  • [10:13:34] <mru> there are no restrictions on userspace
  • [10:15:01] <mdp> these charts need more cowb^H^H^H^Hanimations
  • [10:15:06] <keesj> that's right but not the point. ME as developer can not just do anything with the Linux kernel I am restricted in what I can do with it
  • [10:15:48] <jacekowski> yes you can do anything
  • [10:16:02] <LetoThe2nd> wrong. you can do whatever you want, you just are obliged to grant others the same right.
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  • [10:16:14] <keesj> I can not make a product using Linux without releasing the code. I can not write and release binary only kernel modules that use these export gpl only symbols
  • [10:16:33] <panto> keesj, don't do that then
  • [10:16:35] <LetoThe2nd> keesj: you can do that, you have to grant others the same rights afterwars.
  • [10:16:45] <jacekowski> keesj: you can do stuff in userland
  • [10:16:46] <LetoThe2nd> for what you do inside your basement, nobody cares.
  • [10:16:55] <LetoThe2nd> e.g. you can do anything.
  • [10:16:58] <panto> I can pretty much guarantee that your 'secret' sauce is not that much interesting to anyone other than yourself
  • [10:17:08] <keesj> LetoThe2nd: indeed it does affect MY freedom
  • [10:17:11] <mdp> LetoThe2nd: that's true on so many levels.
  • [10:17:12] <jacekowski> besides, it can always be reverse engineered
  • [10:18:00] * LetoThe2nd is out again, license trolling people who either do not understand opensource or are stuck in an "i want to use everything but give nothing back"-mindset is just futile.
  • [10:18:17] <LetoThe2nd> whoever feels adressed is adressed.
  • [10:18:42] <LetoThe2nd> mdp: indeed.
  • [10:19:29] <keesj> I am closer to the "take and not give back" but again that's not the point. it favors freedom of code over freedom of the users of that code and I think that's bad.
  • [10:19:45] <LetoThe2nd> *plomk*
  • [10:20:14] <keesj> Nobody cares about bad code and people should give back because they want so or becasue they want to reduces maintenance.
  • [10:20:58] <mdp> ignorance
  • [10:21:24] <LetoThe2nd> mdp: ... is bliss.
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  • [11:07:41] <panto> damn, 167 people at #beagle?
  • [11:09:11] <mranostay> 20 active at most
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  • [11:13:47] <_av500_> 21 now
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  • [11:29:05] <mdp> panto, the numbers are indicative of the consumer culture
  • [11:29:51] <panto> pinctrl-consumer ?
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  • [11:39:43] <mdp> panto, pinhead consumers
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  • [11:40:23] <CareBear\> hi all
  • [11:40:54] <mdp> hi CareBear\ , welcome to Thunderdome
  • [11:41:38] <CareBear\> thanks!
  • [11:41:53] <CareBear\> who'll be fighting the new guy?
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  • [13:20:36] <mdp> CareBear\: you have to handle the next OE build question
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  • [13:29:43] <CareBear\> yay!
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  • [13:43:30] <KotH> CareBear\: and remember, exact steps are required
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  • [14:01:49] <LetoThe2nd> and downloadable codez
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  • [14:27:08] <help-seeker> Hello
  • [14:28:39] <help-seeker> I have a beagleboard xM and I have Angstrom 2012.05 on it. I am not able to find resolv.conf in /etc due to which I am not able to configure internet. What can be done?
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  • [14:30:41] <help-seeker> Also the file /var/volatile/run/resolv.conf does not exist (which is I think link to /etc/resolv.conf)
  • [14:31:31] <help-seeker> are there any alternatives to using /etc/resolv.conf for setting up nameserver?
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  • [14:53:21] <CareBear\> help-seeker : so that is a question for the glibc community
  • [14:53:36] <CareBear\> help-seeker : but how about you just create resolv.conf on your own?
  • [14:53:46] <help-seeker> i tried it
  • [14:53:51] <CareBear\> why didn't you say so?
  • [14:53:52] <help-seeker> but does not work
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  • [14:54:19] <help-seeker> I tried it after posting here
  • [14:54:53] <CareBear\> and you of course used the correct syntax for the fil?
  • [14:54:54] <CareBear\> file
  • [14:55:07] <help-seeker> yes
  • [14:55:24] <help-seeker> actually /etc/resolvconf is also absent
  • [14:55:30] <CareBear\> I'd suggest starting out with something easier - using a DHCP client
  • [14:56:04] <CareBear\> maybe you have a cost efficient wireless router nearby
  • [14:56:15] <CareBear\> which can give internetz to your beagle, via DHCP
  • [14:56:51] <help-seeker> The router is in a room next door which is locked right now
  • [14:57:01] <help-seeker> i cannnot access it
  • [14:57:09] <CareBear\> then your development is blocked
  • [14:57:19] <help-seeker> yes :)
  • [14:57:26] <CareBear\> I suggest to work on creating a functional development environment, before trying to do any development
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  • [14:57:41] <help-seeker> ok
  • [14:58:00] <help-seeker> I am going to try rebuilding the code with bitbake resolvconf
  • [14:58:01] <CareBear\> if you have a laptop and know some iptables you can trivially create your own router of course
  • [14:58:20] <help-seeker> let me check if that resolves it
  • [14:58:37] <help-seeker> yes that is also a possiblilty
  • [14:58:58] <help-seeker> I will check out what can be done with iptables
  • [14:59:03] <CareBear\> do you think it is likely that the distribution that has been prepared for you and for the rest of the world by what are fairly experienced experts was indeed compiled and set up to actually *exclude* a DNS resolver?
  • [14:59:25] <CareBear\> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/16 -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE && sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
  • [15:00:55] <help-seeker> Actually I did not find /etc/resolvconf which in turn creates /etc/resolv.conf...so may be I thought trying to bitbake it specifically might work
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  • [15:01:55] <CareBear\> I recommend studying glibc instead
  • [15:02:46] <CareBear\> that would fairly quickly pay off, because you can work with knowledge, rather than having to guess :\
  • [15:03:01] <help-seeker> yes I agree with you
  • [15:03:26] <help-seeker> I shall spend some time studying glibc
  • [15:03:41] <help-seeker> thanks!
  • [15:03:43] <CareBear\> I would recommend using a normal PC for that
  • [15:03:49] <help-seeker> yes :)
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  • [15:04:16] <CareBear\> instead of the beagle, because the beagle is a bit more special
  • [15:04:32] <CareBear\> the DNS resolver is part of glibc
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  • [15:04:57] <CareBear\> I guess maybe Linux From Scratch is a good way to get into the system components
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  • [15:05:52] <CareBear\> or any other way to build your own distribution is good
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  • [15:06:53] <help-seeker> ok
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  • [15:07:05] <CareBear\> it all depends on what you want to accomplish
  • [15:07:40] <CareBear\> if you just want to output a system without understanding how it all works, of course it's a huge time investment which you may not want to make
  • [15:08:13] <CareBear\> then it is probably just as good to continue guessing at solutions and trying things from random blob posts on the internet
  • [15:08:32] <CareBear\> maybe you'll get lucky and find the correct solution somewhere without spending much time
  • [15:09:43] <CareBear\> maybe you won't, and instead you'll spend far longer on clicking links on the interwebz to pages filled with photos of cute cats
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  • [16:05:23] <mdp> everbody loves cute cats though....ahhhhhh
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  • [16:07:56] <woglinde> to eat
  • [16:07:58] <woglinde> yes
  • [16:08:30] <mdp> that is implied, yes. tastes like chicken
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  • [17:38:44] <Odi> Hi. Im using the BeagleBoard C4 to run a simple opencv program which involves following a colored line. I have two motors and I want to make either one of them vibrate depending on the angle of the line. I want the motor to turn on for a specified time (example 0.5s) and then turn off while the main loop still runs. it does not need to be PWM. I used to do this sort of thing on micro controllers using interrupts. How would it be done on
  • [17:46:03] <Odi> Its a C++ program but i don't want to wait for 0.5s in the main loop to turn the motor off. so i want to send a logic high output to a motor and start a timer and turn it off after a set time with an interrupt or something. Do i need a micro?
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  • [21:07:09] <KotH> av500: i can hear your phone! ;)
  • [21:10:17] <plaYer2k> ^creepy
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  • [21:16:51] <prpplague> av500: where the hell are you?
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  • [21:19:07] <KotH> prpplague: we just figured out that he is in the room next to mine...
  • [21:19:14] <mru> prpplague: where the hell are you?
  • [21:20:11] <woglinde> hm edinborough next year
  • [21:20:24] <prpplague> mru: hotel room, doing some emails
  • [21:20:42] <prpplague> mru: was about to head to the hotel bar
  • [21:23:15] <prpplague> mru: where are you?
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  • [21:25:45] <KotH> prpplague: he should be back at the hotel
  • [21:26:24] <prpplague> KotH: hotel or hotel bar?
  • [21:26:26] <prpplague> hehe
  • [21:26:32] * KotH does not know
  • [21:26:44] <KotH> although i know quite a lot about mru, i dont know everything
  • [21:27:03] <KotH> and unfortunately, he neutralized the dye in the hotels tap water
  • [21:27:34] <prpplague> HA
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  • [21:32:25] <KotH> hmm.. there is a u-blox lea6-t cape missing
  • [21:32:38] <mru> prpplague: I'm in the yocto room trolling tracy and friends
  • [21:33:21] <prpplague> mru: yocto room?
  • [21:34:54] <woglinde> lol
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  • [21:40:47] <mru> prpplague: first conf room on the right
  • [21:41:02] <KotH> hmm... if i were to be to make a cape for a beaglebone, who would i need to bribe to get one.. and how much chocolate would that be? :)
  • [21:41:35] <prpplague> mru: heading down in a few
  • [21:41:42] * KotH would like to troll a few people who are using a fruity board to make ntp servers
  • [21:41:53] <KotH> (ntp servers from GPSDOs)
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  • [22:12:32] <mru> prpplague: we're still at the bar...
  • [22:16:21] <Crofton> which bar?
  • [22:19:36] <mru> hotel
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  • [22:22:51] <woglinde> good night
  • [22:22:57] <Crofton> gn woglinde
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