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  • [08:47:35] <aholler> hmm, leap second desaster
  • [08:48:25] <dm8tbr> yup, none of my boxes affected this time though
  • [08:48:54] <dm8tbr> last time it took out one of my boxes. it just hung.
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  • [09:15:39] <aholler> looks like java and mysql-instances got hit
  • [09:15:48] <dm8tbr> yup
  • [09:16:10] <aholler> besides a bug in the kernel
  • [09:16:25] <dm8tbr> fascinating that just setting the date is enough to fix those
  • [09:16:48] <dm8tbr> I think that's the old kernel bug that hit that leapsecond years ago too.
  • [09:18:55] <aholler> no, it git fixed in 3.4
  • [09:19:01] <aholler> 6b43ae8a619d17c4935c3320d2ef9e92bdeed05d
  • [09:19:30] <aholler> s/3.4/3.3/
  • [09:19:57] <aholler> s/git/got/
  • [09:20:13] <aholler> the git-god
  • [09:20:15] <aholler> ;)
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  • [09:22:36] <aholler> hmpf, to early in the morning, it was fixed in 3.4 and not 3.3 ;)
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  • [09:32:30] <aholler> and it doesn't seem to have reached the stable-series
  • [09:35:06] <aholler> and beagleboard.org is still down ;)
  • [09:40:50] <aholler> but I assume some people in the US have other problems than only halted servers. Must been a violent weather there
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  • [17:41:23] <Guest83483> Hi all ! i regulary get kernel panic on my Beagleboard Xm REV C4....anyone can help me identify where the problem is ?
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  • [17:45:54] <Guest83483> Hi all ! i regulary get kernel panic on my Beagleboard Xm REV C4....anyone can help me identify where the problem is ?
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  • [17:46:26] <dm8tbr> I bet there are quite many people who could. if you wouldn't repeat yourself and instead provide a URL to such a panic (hint: pastebin)
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  • [17:50:08] <Guest83483> Here the link to the oops exception : http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=KULSFGGd
  • [17:55:57] <aholler> no one wants todownloadthat stuff, so it is http://pastebin.com/KULSFGGd
  • [17:56:19] <aholler> hmpf, space key dirty again ;)
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  • [17:57:12] <Guest83483> ok <aholler>...sorry
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  • [17:59:05] <aholler> what a kernel is that?
  • [17:59:31] <Guest83483> 3.2.21-x13
  • [17:59:41] <aholler> what is x13?
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  • [18:01:13] <Guest83483> STABLE http://rcn-ee.net/deb/squeeze-armel/v3.2.21-x13/
  • [18:02:57] <Guest83483> i don't really know what x13 means...
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  • [18:03:30] <agmlego> It is a build number.
  • [18:03:51] <agmlego> Just like the 5 in 2.6.32-5
  • [18:04:25] <aholler> but it no we know that it is a kernel from rcn build for debian/ubuntu. That was the question
  • [18:05:40] <agmlego> And the x probably designates it as an experiemntal kernel.
  • [18:05:51] <agmlego> Or a differing branch from mainline, at least.
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  • [18:06:06] <Guest83483> no, it is mentioned as "stable"
  • [18:06:15] <aholler> you might try the plain mainline kernel, 3.2.21 works here without problems
  • [18:06:23] <Guest83483> cat /etc/issue : Debian GNU/Linux 6.0
  • [18:08:36] <Guest83483> I can't find 3.2.21 from http://rcn-ee.net/deb/ ...
  • [18:09:28] <Guest83483> but mayne http://rcn-ee.net/deb/ is not the main and official repository for Beagle ....?
  • [18:09:39] <Guest83483> but maybe http://rcn-ee.net/deb/ is not the main and official repository for Beagle ....?
  • [18:09:45] <agmlego> You said that.
  • [18:10:08] <agmlego> Also, I am not sure there is an *official* repo for the Beagleboard.
  • [18:10:16] <Guest83483> there was an error : mayne=maybe
  • [18:10:17] <agmlego> Especially not for Debian.
  • [18:10:26] <agmlego> No need to repeat the whole line, though.
  • [18:10:42] <agmlego> Most of us on IRC are good at ignoring the occasional error. ;-P
  • [18:10:59] <Guest83483> ok sorry agmlego...i'm new in there
  • [18:11:09] <agmlego> And if you really feel it necessary to correct, the accepted method is to prepend a * character before the single word to correct.
  • [18:11:16] <agmlego> Guest83483: Not a problem.
  • [18:12:03] <aholler> Guest83483: do you know how to compile a kernel?
  • [18:12:25] <agmlego> Looks like the x13 designates a patch set.
  • [18:13:58] <Guest83483> i don't know how to compile a kernel, but Googling it will tell me how to, i guess. Basically, i've followed instructions here to install my system : http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
  • [18:15:49] <aholler> here is the config for 3.2.21 I'm using on my C4: http://ahsoftware.de/config-3.2.21.beagleboardC4 you might git clone the stable 3.2.21 from kernel.org and compile it yourself
  • [18:16:21] <agmlego> Or, you know, just roll back the kernel in apt?
  • [18:18:59] <aholler> and using ubuntu on a c4 isn't very stable. I think ubuntu uses thumb and the c4 has a problem with that
  • [18:20:03] <aholler> s/c4/omap 3 on the c4/
  • [18:20:23] <Guest83483> I would like to use Debian, not Ubuntu...
  • [18:21:37] <Guest83483> Here is the apt-cache search linux-image output i have : http://pastebin.com/cSEDnupH
  • [18:21:41] <aholler> I don't know if debian uses thumb too. but it shouldn't be necessary to use rcn's kernel with patches you don't know anything about
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  • [18:26:17] <Guest83483> using apt to downgrade my kernel, do you think "linux-image-2.6.32-5-versatile" is a good choice ?
  • [18:26:55] <agmlego> Might be a good place to start.
  • [18:27:21] <agmlego> However, I would be surpised (very surprised) if the mirror you are using does not have an older 3.2 kernel you could try first.
  • [18:27:31] <agmlego> And, if your mirror does not have such, get a new mirror.
  • [18:27:47] <agmlego> Going all the way back to a 2.6 kernel is a hell of a long downgrade.
  • [18:28:34] <Guest83483> Maybe i should do it on a new sdcard...?
  • [18:28:48] <agmlego> Oh, assuredly, or back up the one you have.
  • [18:29:14] <Guest83483> ok, i do an sdcard image backup right now
  • [18:29:26] <agmlego> I would just use dd to make an image of the card and save it on a different machine, then make changes.
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  • [19:08:22] <Guest83483> I ran apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-versatile but after reboot the board is still using 3.2.21-x13 ...
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  • [19:24:37] <agmlego> Well, yeah, because you did not tell the board to boot up on that kernel.
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  • [19:27:28] <Guest83483> How can i do that ?
  • [19:28:22] <agmlego> No idea. What does Googlesay?
  • [19:28:33] <agmlego> On regular PCs, you use GRUB or LILO or other bootloader.
  • [19:28:42] <agmlego> My guess it it will be something in uboot.
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  • [20:58:04] <Guest83483> everything rhat Google tell me fail...
  • [20:58:41] <Guest83483> rhat=that
  • [20:59:00] <aholler> look at the serial, it should tell you which file gets loaded
  • [21:00:32] <aholler> and check u-boot-version etc. the c4 has nand and the u-boot in nand might be very old
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  • [21:08:44] <trip0> what gstreamer encoders are best on the bone?
  • [21:08:46] <Guest83483> I boot from sdcard, not from Nand
  • [21:08:52] <trip0> is there a dsp powered encoder?
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  • [21:13:22] <trip0> looks like the beagleboard has mpeg-4 hardware encoding support. is this also true for the bone?
  • [21:13:41] <mru> no dsp on the bone
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  • [21:13:57] <trip0> :(
  • [21:26:44] <Guest83483> well...maybe i made a mistake with the beagle, i need someting stable for my project....for the price of the Beagle, not sure i can expect something stable...i will maybe have a look here http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/arm-sbc.php
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  • [21:28:40] <agmlego> Guest83483: What instability are you seeing?
  • [21:28:53] <Guest83483> kernel panics !
  • [21:29:10] <Guest83483> with no specific dev at all
  • [21:29:43] <aholler> going embedded without being able to compile a kernel isn't the right way.
  • [21:30:56] <agmlego> Guest83483: what distros have you tried?
  • [21:31:05] <agmlego> Angstrom works very nicely, as does Ubuntu.
  • [21:32:36] <Guest83483> you're right aholler, i am learning. I am refering to the community that makes great jobs to make Debian and all others dist Beagle compliant
  • [21:32:59] <agmlego> Angstrom will probably give you better performance, while Ubuntu will give you a user experience similar to Debian.
  • [21:33:24] <Guest83483> i've tried Angstrom but this dist is very minimal and i can't do what i want : for instance just installing Apache2
  • [21:33:50] <hads> Perhaps you need to rethink embedded.
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  • [21:34:32] <Guest83483> no, i don't have to rethink (this would be the easiest way)...i have to learn more and more
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  • [21:35:20] <agmlego> Guest83483: Try the server edition of Ubuntu.
  • [21:35:51] <agmlego> Or, try compiling apache.
  • [21:35:51] <hads> There are lighter alternatives to Apache that may serve you better.
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  • [21:36:10] <agmlego> nginx is a good one, as is lighttpd.
  • [21:36:41] <agmlego> Assuming, of course, the goal is simply a webserver. If you have apache-specific things, those may not be the right solution.
  • [21:37:06] <aholler> busybox already has one included
  • [21:37:26] <Guest83483> with php support ? gd support ? rrdtools ? the easiest way for all that is "standard" dist as Debian/Ubuntu (in my opinion)
  • [21:37:51] <agmlego> PHP? Yes. GD? What is that? RRDtools? Maybe.
  • [21:38:20] <hads> Perhaps "easiest" for you but also probably not well suited to embedded. Perhaps you need to rethink.
  • [21:39:02] <Guest83483> If i have to rethink, i will have a look to embedded x86 boards
  • [21:39:03] <dm8tbr> apache and embedded in the same sentence...
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  • [21:39:26] <Guest83483> not with Angstom dm8tbr... ;)
  • [21:39:37] <dm8tbr> Guest83483: wooooosh...
  • [21:39:51] <agmlego> Guest83483: What dm8tbr is saying is that Apache is a grossly bloated webserver to run on an embedded board.
  • [21:40:14] <aholler> using apache isn't really a problem.
  • [21:40:15] <agmlego> (Really, it is grossly bloated to run on anything, but that is a topic for a different discussion.)
  • [21:40:43] <hads> There is a reason Apache isn't included in embedded distributions.
  • [21:40:51] <hads> That is it.
  • [21:41:23] <dm8tbr> you /can/ do a great many things. if you /should/ is on a different page.
  • [21:41:38] <agmlego> Guest83483: The big question I have is: What are you wanting to do?
  • [21:41:43] <aholler> because there normally is no need for it. but that doesn't say anything if it isn't possible
  • [21:42:00] <aholler> I'm using apache since 3a on a armv5 with 128mb
  • [21:42:09] <aholler> without problems
  • [21:42:31] <Guest83483> I am sure of that aholler...with a stable Kernel !
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  • [21:43:06] <aholler> than get a stable one
  • [21:43:10] <dm8tbr> yada yada, there are enough people who run the BBxm and don't have kernel problems.
  • [21:44:12] <Guest83483> Sure dm8tbr...but Google said that there is also a lot of people who get a "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address xxxxxxx"
  • [21:44:18] <aholler> Guest83483: you are just trying the first experimental kernel you've found somewhere and already start to whine because something doesn't work
  • [21:47:35] <Guest83483> ok ok ! I've found the most active developper for the Beagle at http://rcn-ee.net ...maybe here is my main mistake
  • [21:47:58] <aholler> your mistake is missing patience
  • [21:48:12] <Guest83483> lol ! no ! :)
  • [21:48:26] <aholler> rcn-ee is sometimes here. so just wait
  • [21:50:03] <Guest83483> "What are you wanting to do?" this is a large question
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  • [21:50:51] <Guest83483> Basically, i want to manage devices to manage a room weather
  • [21:51:29] <Guest83483> with a http server for GUI
  • [21:51:37] <Guest83483> with php5 and GD
  • [21:52:35] <Guest83483> GD is a library to draw over an image (for instance http://saratoga-weather.org/scripts-widget.php)
  • [21:56:09] <Guest83483> you can have a look in my dev app here : http://88.177.138.193/greenbox (guest / guest)
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  • [21:59:52] <agmlego> So, in this case, you are simply going for a small webserver, then.
  • [21:59:57] <agmlego> I would try using Ubuntu.
  • [22:04:07] <Guest83483> ok, after Angstrom and Debian, i will try Ubuntu
  • [22:09:09] <Guest83483> To manage sensors and relays i use Phidgets boards conected on the Beagle usb port. So, i also have compiled C programs to retrieve datas. Actually the poller is the crontab
  • [22:10:25] <Guest83483> In my app you can try start/stop fan : it will actually on/off a light bulb
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  • [22:17:48] <Guest83483> I am doing an image backup rollback to my sdcard because i've messed up my card while trying to downgrade my Kernel. I will install Ubuntu on a new sdcard
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  • [22:28:27] <Guest83483> I've tried this and i had no stability problems http://www.viaembedded.com/en/products/boards/730/1/EPIA-P710_%28EOL%29.html . I went to ARM because it is lowercost and faster at boot, and i love the fact that the HDD is an sdcard
  • [22:28:46] <Guest83483> ;)
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  • [22:33:31] <Guest83483> Anyone here using Apache2 and compiled C programs with no kernel panics on Beagle Xm rev C4 ? please tell which Kernel and Distrib you are using ! :)
  • [22:34:45] <agmlego> I have been using Ubuntu Precise server edition on an xM C4 with no issues.
  • [22:35:37] <Guest83483> kernel ?
  • [22:38:46] <agmlego> Latest in repos.
  • [22:39:02] <Guest83483> Which repo ? I'm going to try this http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
  • [22:39:04] <agmlego> I do not have the device near me, so i cannot tell you more exactly.
  • [22:39:12] <agmlego> Yeah, that was what i followed.
  • [22:39:27] <Guest83483> ok thanks man
  • [22:41:02] <Guest83483> Ubuntu is not my favorite dist, Debian is, but no matters i will try it to see if i still get Kernel Panic issues
  • [22:42:14] <agmlego> Is there a compelling reason to favour one over the other?
  • [22:43:35] <Guest83483> i don't like to be an assisted person : don't want to "sudo" everything !! :)
  • [22:44:19] <Guest83483> (bad resaon) it's mine ! Debian is right on the way
  • [22:44:36] <agmlego> So use Ubuntu as root. Totally possible.
  • [22:44:49] <agmlego> But yeah, that is a bad reason.
  • [22:44:50] <Guest83483> i guess it is, i will do
  • [22:45:15] <aholler> just give root a password, done.
  • [22:45:28] <aholler> it's that easy
  • [22:46:12] <Guest83483> Ubuntu is based on Debian....Why ? because Debian is the most easy, compliant, reliable, versatile dist ever !
  • [22:46:12] <agmlego> Exactly.
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  • [22:47:04] <agmlego> Ubuntu is based on Debian because people wanted something with a faster update cycle, less cumbersome licencing restrictions, and a more user-friendly interface than Debian.
  • [22:47:16] <agmlego> Much the same reason Fedora exists, based on RHEL.
  • [22:47:35] <aholler> fedora is testbed for rhel
  • [22:48:03] <agmlego> As was Ubuntu for Debian.
  • [22:48:09] <Guest83483> To me, Redhat is bulls***t
  • [22:48:18] <agmlego> Noite the *was*, Ubuntu is no longer fully linked to Debian.
  • [22:48:37] <aholler> I wouldn't compare the ideas behind fedora/rhel and debian/ubuntu
  • [22:48:46] <aholler> they are too different
  • [22:48:48] <Guest83483> me no either
  • [22:49:00] <Guest83483> u right
  • [22:49:15] <agmlego> aholler: As a former mirror operator for the four (and others), there are enough similarties that the analogy works.
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  • [22:49:41] <aholler> yes, they all offer mirrors
  • [22:49:53] <agmlego> aholler: Har.
  • [22:50:12] <mru> mirror, mirror on the net...
  • [22:51:14] <aholler> Guest83483: btw. suse exists for arm too, you can try fedora and suse too.
  • [22:51:40] <agmlego> And I heard good things about Arch and Gentoo too.
  • [22:52:12] <aholler> whatever, I'm sure there working debians out too.
  • [22:52:23] <agmlego> Possibly.
  • [22:52:25] <Guest83483> Sure i could try...but my goal is to use Debian !!
  • [22:52:38] <agmlego> I had a rough time with Debian too when I tired it, and that is my native distro too.
  • [22:52:40] <aholler> maybe ask debian people
  • [22:53:43] <Guest83483> That's why i am here ! i'm sure there is Debian people in here :)
  • [22:53:48] <aholler> if it is the most easy, compliant, reliable and versatile dist ever, there should be someone there which knows how to use that on the beagle
  • [22:54:02] <Guest83483> hope!
  • [22:54:09] <aholler> and I'm sure they have their own channel
  • [22:54:23] <aholler> and ml and whatever
  • [22:54:23] <agmlego> Guest83483: #debian on freenode might be useful.
  • [22:54:30] <agmlego> Or #armhf
  • [22:54:51] <agmlego> Er, #armel.
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  • [22:55:12] <aholler> people here are more hardcore than the usual debian people
  • [22:55:20] <agmlego> Not sure either of those exist anymore.
  • [22:55:28] <Guest83483> whouhou thanks ! i don't know all IRC channels
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  • [22:55:59] <aholler> just ask the website from your favorite distribution; debian.org
  • [22:56:25] <Guest83483> why http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/arm-sbc.php uses Debian OS ? because it is...the best :)
  • [22:56:27] <agmlego> Guest83483: I doubt anyone does.
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  • [22:56:39] <agmlego> Know all the IRC channels, that is.
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  • [22:58:36] <aholler> fanbis are thinking apple is the best
  • [22:59:10] <aholler> and for xda-people there exists only one rom
  • [22:59:36] <aholler> and emacs is a os
  • [23:00:34] <aholler> and java is fast, error free and runs everywhere???
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  • [23:02:03] <aholler> besides that world is flat ;)
  • [23:02:05] <Guest83483> Java is heavy, Apple is closed, emacs is for notepad users (vi the best)
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  • [23:03:47] <Guest83483> and Java is not so cross platform as they say !
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  • [23:11:06] <Guest83483> reloading my sdcard makes my serial port not working anymore
  • [23:13:54] <Guest83483> it was a usb to serial driver error : solved
  • [23:14:50] <Guest83483> aholler : can you try to start/stop my fan (in fact my light bulb) for test ?
  • [23:17:46] <Guest83483> admin / admin
  • [23:21:35] <Guest83483> (or anyone can try)
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  • [23:29:33] <Guest83483> well...i understand that you might not be interested in that test, nevermind....
  • [23:30:04] <agmlego> Guest83483: I do not recall seeing a URI for your device, so...
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  • [23:32:04] <Guest83483> agmlego: i don't understand what u mean...
  • [23:32:43] <agmlego> Guest83483: How are we to try your system, if we do not know where your system is?
  • [23:33:05] <agmlego> You need to provide the URI where your device is located for us to use the username and password you provided.
  • [23:33:47] <Guest83483> ha ok, i told it before : it is http://88.177.138.193/greenbox (admin / admin
  • [23:34:02] <Guest83483> )
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  • [23:35:04] <agmlego> As I said, I did not remember seeing that link.
  • [23:35:17] <Guest83483> no pb
  • [23:35:33] <Guest83483> light is on !
  • [23:36:06] <agmlego> Also, keep in mind that many/most IRC channels are logged in one way or another--assume that the connection details and credentials for that have been shared to the world.
  • [23:37:10] <Guest83483> i have no pb for that ! Credentials have been changed for now bur i will put the "true" credantials once finished
  • [23:37:43] <Guest83483> my app is not a secret and is open minded !
  • [23:38:44] <agmlego> Well, it is usually a bad idea to keep the access for the controls on physical devices open and freely accessible.
  • [23:38:53] <agmlego> Look at the results of Stuxnet for instance...
  • [23:39:46] <Guest83483> I know, i don't worry. If you want to go further, i can put my light sensor closer to the light bulb : so that you will the light curve growing
  • [23:40:10] <agmlego> Heh.
  • [23:40:14] <agmlego> No, that is OK.
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