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  • [01:40:12] <scromp> i got some of that too, heh
  • [01:40:13] <scromp> what the hell
  • [01:40:32] <scromp> i just take it around at work and demand that people "Smell this!"
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  • [05:38:27] <_av500_> Osborne 1 from 1981
  • [05:38:44] <_av500_> got an angstrom build for it?
  • [05:39:37] <furan> mehhhhhhhhhhhh
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  • [06:11:23] <san> hi
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  • [06:12:14] <san> i have one question which is best bluetooth gps receiver
  • [06:12:41] <san> i want to interface Bluetooth gps receiver to beagleboard
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  • [06:15:39] <san> i have one question which is best bluetooth gps receiver, i want to interface Bluetooth gps receiver to beagleboard
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  • [06:19:14] <mranostay> i think they are pretty much the same
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  • [06:48:02] <san> i have one question which is best bluetooth gps receiver, i want to interface Bluetooth gps receiver to beagleboard
  • [06:48:47] <dm8tbr> why don't you fix your gpsd first
  • [06:49:27] <san> yeah i fixed gpsd
  • [06:50:27] <dm8tbr> bt gps should be as easy as: pair it, configure a rfcom port, use it in gpsd
  • [06:50:43] <san> Now i want to interface Bluetooth gps receiver it can work in linux,angstron OS
  • [06:52:27] * mranostay wants to shoot people that repeat questions on irc
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  • [06:53:01] <san> When we purchase Bluetooth GPS receivers they will give cd it will work fine in windows ,beagle board does not any cd rom ,my doubt is can any bluetooth gps receiver works for beagleboard or not?
  • [06:53:06] <dm8tbr> mranostay: submit a RFC for transmission of lethal force over IP
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  • [06:54:35] <mranostay> dm8tbr: i'd be serving multiple life sentences if that was possible :)
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  • [06:58:55] <san> hi sundar
  • [07:01:08] <dm8tbr> mranostay: only if you wouldn't use a proper anonymizer ;)
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  • [07:02:19] <san> hi
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  • [07:30:31] <RCstudie> I have a beagleboard-xm rev C, and it hangs on boot with a fresh build from narcissus. Is there a fix for this, or do I need to use the Angstrom demo image?
  • [07:31:21] <dm8tbr> it hangs where?
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  • [07:32:11] <RCstudie> First it hangs with only the beagleboard logo showing up. I then added a Uenv file, where it now hangs when it find the computer mouse
  • [07:33:00] <dm8tbr> oh, you didn't hook up a serial cable...
  • [07:34:00] <RCstudie> nope, generating build and running it alone with monitor, keyboard and mouse
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  • [08:24:07] <RCss> is this blog entry up to date? http://beaglexmc.blogspot.no/
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  • [08:33:45] <aholler_> hmm, wonders what a university that is where students are porting ported distributions.
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  • [08:34:24] <LetoThe2nd> aholler_: one that does not care much about the semantic correctness of their project descriptions :)
  • [08:35:48] <aholler> maybe they just have invented the wheel.
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  • [08:36:52] <LetoThe2nd> aholler: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/116338049603737180343/albums/5758648266194395265/5758648265798503074
  • [08:41:00] <stuk_gen> what mean porting angstrom to beagleboard ? O_o
  • [08:43:11] <aholler> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenken
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  • [08:48:18] <san> hi
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  • [09:26:50] <guyzmo> moin!
  • [09:27:32] <guyzmo> excellent the post from maddy to the list : "Sorry, if you think that i'm miss behaving"
  • [09:27:55] <guyzmo> had a good laugh :)
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  • [09:36:39] <stuk_gen> q simpel question what is the difference from using a sdk from texas and a build from angstrom oe? what is the best stable?
  • [09:37:37] <av500> angstrom is supported here more or less
  • [09:37:43] <av500> ti sdk is supported by TI
  • [09:38:41] <stuk_gen> av500: ok...but what is the best solution for an company?
  • [09:38:56] <panto> http://radar.oreilly.com/2012/06/why-learn-c.html
  • [09:39:06] <panto> I've read the comments and now I want to die
  • [09:39:30] <stuk_gen> av500: i think texas sdk is stable but old...vs....angstrom image is update...but maybe is not more stable?
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  • [09:42:48] <guyzmo> stuk_gen - well, I personally like the angstrom solution (for a company), because you can build your own image with only the tools you need and no more bloat
  • [09:43:12] <stuk_gen> guyzmo: ok and this is a great option...but about stability?
  • [09:44:05] <guyzmo> and, as we use continuous integration, when the build of our own code is stable we can trigger an image build with the last stable version to always have an image ready for production
  • [09:44:12] <guyzmo> ++agility :)
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  • [09:44:27] <guyzmo> stuk_gen - well, what you mean by stability ?
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  • [09:45:31] <guyzmo> stuk_gen - angstrom definitely has bugs, but most of them are minor and can easily be patched that you can write and keep in your own repository
  • [09:45:37] <av500> panto: I dont see any comments
  • [09:45:38] <stuk_gen> guyzmo: i mean not the stability of 'our' code...but the oe code...i mean today building an image is different that build an image tomorrow..because oe have a lot of update every day
  • [09:45:52] <panto> err, av500 comment in the lwn page
  • [09:45:58] <av500> linky?
  • [09:45:59] <panto> http://lwn.net/Articles/504023/
  • [09:46:26] <guyzmo> stuk_gen - well, it's only been a few months I'm working with the beaglebone
  • [09:47:03] <av500> stuk_gen: well, then dont update
  • [09:47:09] <guyzmo> and I have seen no major regression
  • [09:47:14] <stuk_gen> guyzmo: i think the problem is you have to test if the image really works or not
  • [09:47:19] <av500> pick a release/git hash and stick with it
  • [09:47:31] <av500> make sure the features you need work
  • [09:47:34] <stuk_gen> av500: yes this i think is the only solution
  • [09:47:36] <av500> and then stabilize your SW
  • [09:47:43] <guyzmo> stuk_gen - at each git pull/update of the tools, you'll need to test the image for regression
  • [09:47:46] <av500> this is regardless of ti sdk or oe or anything
  • [09:47:57] <stuk_gen> av500: no
  • [09:48:07] <av500> enlighten me
  • [09:48:14] <LetoThe2nd> me too, please.
  • [09:48:21] <stuk_gen> av500: because i think when ti give out a new sdk release...i think they have tested yet
  • [09:48:31] <av500> tested *what*
  • [09:48:35] <stuk_gen> av500: and the release is not every day
  • [09:48:42] <guyzmo> stuk_gen - you think, but you don't know
  • [09:48:44] <stuk_gen> that all they give to you works
  • [09:48:49] <guyzmo> and you'll have to test anyway
  • [09:49:28] <LetoThe2nd> why would one ever release a second version of a sdk if everything was tested and fully functional in the already released one? q.e.d?
  • [09:49:39] <guyzmo> I think the best solution is to update on a regular basis the whole setup-tools and sources, generate a new image, test it for regression, patch if you find out regressions and stick with it until next update
  • [09:50:03] <stuk_gen> LetoThe2nd: maybe because there improvement
  • [09:50:04] <av500> yes, if you are a linux distro
  • [09:50:13] <av500> not if you make a PRODUCT
  • [09:50:28] <av500> you have your set of features, once they work, why upgrade anything?
  • [09:50:36] <av500> maybe for the next product
  • [09:50:38] <LetoThe2nd> stuk_gen: what might improve if everything was 100% functional and tested? reach 100% functionality?
  • [09:50:44] <av500> 111%
  • [09:50:47] <LetoThe2nd> 110%, even.
  • [09:50:48] <guyzmo> av500 - security and continous availability of the tools
  • [09:50:59] <av500> yeah, security
  • [09:51:14] <stuk_gen> security and improvement
  • [09:51:28] <av500> yes, "security" is a nice buzzword
  • [09:51:32] <av500> now lets define what it means
  • [09:51:37] <LetoThe2nd> stuk_gen: you still fail to specify "improvement."
  • [09:51:44] <guyzmo> and your product is aimed at evolve, and may need new dependancies
  • [09:52:03] <stuk_gen> improvement...for example...qt 4.6 and 4.8 is a big change for graphics
  • [09:52:06] <guyzmo> and if a dependancy needs a full chain of new versions of all the tools you're using, if you don't update
  • [09:52:06] <stuk_gen> its too speed
  • [09:52:07] <av500> if you have the means to regression test everything, sure upgrade all you want
  • [09:52:10] <guyzmo> you're doomed
  • [09:52:28] <guyzmo> av500 - that's why we use continuous integration :)
  • [09:52:46] <LetoThe2nd> stuk_gen: why should one care for that if you already claimed that your last revision was fully tested and functional?
  • [09:52:53] <av500> we use continous bug fixing
  • [09:52:55] <guyzmo> I'm even looking out to do CI on microcontroller code
  • [09:53:05] <av500> CI?
  • [09:53:10] <guyzmo> continuous integration
  • [09:53:14] <av500> ah
  • [09:53:44] <aholler> and no word about tests?
  • [09:53:52] <LetoThe2nd> stuk_gen: you just have to accept that no sdk/basesystem/whatever will ever have guarantees for buzzwords like "stability, tested, secure"
  • [09:54:25] <stuk_gen> LetoThe2nd: for a product yes...have no sense...but for example i made an application that use opengl...today works but its slow..maybe tomorrow an update make speed up...so i want use that
  • [09:54:26] <LetoThe2nd> aholler: i don't always test my code, but when i du, i do it in production.
  • [09:54:34] <guyzmo> and I think that one of the best ways to avoid security problems, is to keep the bloat out
  • [09:54:45] <guyzmo> keep *only* what you need for your product to work, and no more
  • [09:54:54] <av500> security depends a lot on what product you make
  • [09:55:07] <LetoThe2nd> stuk_gen: at the same moment admitting that your last product was not 100% functional, because it was too slow.
  • [09:55:08] <av500> how it is connected etc etc
  • [09:55:12] <guyzmo> av500 - of course, but once something is connected to a network, security matters
  • [09:55:20] <stuk_gen> LetoThe2nd: no
  • [09:55:55] <guyzmo> you don't want to run a service that is not useful and that can be easily exploited by a 10y/r
  • [09:56:01] <guyzmo> y/o*
  • [09:56:01] <stuk_gen> LetoThe2nd: this is not true! for now works but slow. But i can do nothing this is what today i can get. this is the 100% today
  • [09:56:02] <aholler> LetoThe2nd: using the user as tester isn't an option for every product
  • [09:56:12] <LetoThe2nd> stuk_gen: then you are claiming that speed does not count of part of functionality and can therefore totally be disregarded anyways?
  • [09:56:33] <guyzmo> aholler, LetoThe2nd - that's what does microsoft since 1978! :)
  • [09:56:44] <LetoThe2nd> aholler: was not meant totally serious ;)
  • [09:56:52] <stuk_gen> LetoThe2nd: the speed is important but if this is the maximus speed that i can use today i have nothing todo...this is my product...no?
  • [09:57:33] <LetoThe2nd> stuk_gen: or are you rather saying that you define your 100% new everyday, just hoping that you might archive your randomly defined aims one day by accident?
  • [09:58:25] <LetoThe2nd> sounds like a whole lot of contradiction in itself. yay for buzzwords, therefore.
  • [09:58:28] <stuk_gen> LetoThe2nd: but its software :) how can you said that if can or not have improvement?
  • [09:59:03] <LetoThe2nd> stuk_gen: no. i claim that no software is perfect. hence, i can never have 100% tested and functional. you however did that.
  • [09:59:09] <guyzmo> LetoThe2nd - got one more buzzword for you: I chose angstrom because it helps us be agile on our product development
  • [09:59:13] <guyzmo> :p
  • [09:59:17] <stuk_gen> if you use a 3rd party library like qt...you can think future release have more functionality and maybe more speed
  • [09:59:35] <guyzmo> and that future release will break your code
  • [09:59:57] <aholler> and have new bugs
  • [10:00:15] <aholler> continues integration means continuesly new bugs ;)
  • [10:00:27] <guyzmo> aholler - yup, but new, better and faster bugs! :p
  • [10:00:28] <stuk_gen> this is true
  • [10:00:29] <LetoThe2nd> stuk_gen: and like i said - if on the other hand you are free to redefine your 100% anytime the way you like it, the number itself is not worth anything.
  • [10:01:02] <guyzmo> aholler - nope, it just means that you won't break your code when you'll patch it in live
  • [10:01:22] <stuk_gen> ok..100% is a number...i mean only today you have your product that run...but maybe tomorrow you can run your product with improvement
  • [10:01:42] <LetoThe2nd> stuk_gen: so you admit you are actually just buzzwording :)
  • [10:01:49] <LetoThe2nd> great, NEXT TICKET! :)
  • [10:02:13] <stuk_gen> the start is angstrom oe VS sdk ti
  • [10:02:28] <stuk_gen> i'm only tell about this not generate a war XD
  • [10:03:06] <stuk_gen> and a release from ti i think is 'testes' vs every release of oe angstrm
  • [10:03:08] <stuk_gen> aonly this
  • [10:03:11] <stuk_gen> only*
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  • [10:04:31] <stuk_gen> so the conclusion is...using oe angstrom you need build image and test. When you have an image that works and is teste. Copy the rootfs,the bootloader. And this is your product 1.0
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  • [10:05:15] <stuk_gen> if i lost the 'image' i need know the hash to git from repository and rebuild all
  • [10:05:29] <stuk_gen> and have a copy of my program :P
  • [10:05:41] <stuk_gen> this is the correctly roadmap...ok?
  • [10:05:57] <aholler> you are forgetting that you need a copy of the build-environment too
  • [10:06:08] <LetoThe2nd> and all sources, etc.
  • [10:06:48] * LetoThe2nd prefers ptxdist, but thats only a sidenote for now.
  • [10:07:17] <guyzmo> LetoThe2nd - ptxdist ?
  • [10:07:35] <LetoThe2nd> guyzmo: ptxdist.org
  • [10:08:14] <guyzmo> hm..
  • [10:08:21] <guyzmo> yup, I was already on it
  • [10:08:27] <LetoThe2nd> guyzmo: not exactly the same as oe, but comparable in some points.
  • [10:08:54] <guyzmo> but one thing I like about oe or angstrom, is that you can remote patch the systems
  • [10:09:11] <aholler> ptxdist looks like another buildroot
  • [10:09:12] <guyzmo> if you're managing your feed
  • [10:11:29] <aholler> you can dothe same with wget, tar and a bit of bash-scripting
  • [10:11:39] <LetoThe2nd> aholler: yeah they have a lot in common now. when they both started, it was like uclibc<->glibc
  • [10:15:28] <aholler> except that the source ptx wasn't availableto the public ;)
  • [10:15:45] <LetoThe2nd> ?
  • [10:16:05] <av500> stuk_gen: unless you know exactly what TI "tests" in SDK, I would not trust that "testing"
  • [10:16:12] <aholler> LetoThe2nd: when I'velast had a look at it, no source was available
  • [10:16:24] <av500> who needs source, there is always XDA
  • [10:16:25] <mru> av500: would you trust it if you knew?
  • [10:16:33] <LetoThe2nd> aholler: for ptxdist?!? i seriously doubt that.
  • [10:17:05] <aholler> it was the case, only by request for customers or such.
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  • [10:17:46] <LetoThe2nd> aholler: ah not... thats only for bsps they developed for paying customers
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  • [10:20:17] <LetoThe2nd> aholler: ptxdist itself as well as toolchain and some more or less generic bsps are free, and certainly have been for at least 6 years
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  • [10:38:03] <stuk_gen> av500: ok...but there a TI behind...not a hobbies people :D
  • [10:38:19] <aholler> ti is a hw company
  • [10:40:06] <RCss> I followed this guide, but it hangs at boot
  • [10:40:06] <RCss> http://beaglexmc.blogspot.no/
  • [10:40:17] <RCss> INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel
  • [10:40:39] <RCss> and then it slowly says INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
  • [10:41:55] <RCss> also chown: invalid user 'gdm:gmd'
  • [10:43:14] <aholler> stuk_gen: wouldyou describe yourself as hobbyist or pro?
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  • [10:46:37] <av500> stuk_gen: so? do you have an idea what they test? is there a test coverage document?
  • [10:46:50] <av500> if not, assume the test is "it boots and does not explode"
  • [10:47:30] <stuk_gen> ok...if you call it
  • [10:49:11] <mru> av500: what if it HCFs?
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  • [11:14:59] * bradfa cheers for Friday!
  • [11:20:00] <av500> \o/
  • [11:20:22] <bradfa> do I want to know what that is?
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  • [11:24:17] <dm8tbr> f*ck yeah it's f*ckin' friday!
  • [11:26:47] <mru> bradfa: you don't know what friday is?
  • [11:26:59] <bradfa> mru, apparently not...
  • [11:27:03] <bradfa> :)
  • [11:27:06] <mru> dude, you're missing out
  • [11:27:12] <bradfa> oooo! do tell!
  • [11:27:17] <bradfa> what am I missing?!?!
  • [11:27:30] <bradfa> crazy on the mailing list - check
  • [11:27:38] <bradfa> black coffee - check
  • [11:27:47] <bradfa> ? - check?
  • [11:30:47] <bradfa> yesterday afternoon, rookie provided me with a kernel patch to enable poweroff of the tps65217 after a 'shutdown -h', I proceeded to hack it into half its length (which then relies on u-boot doing the right thing) and where it'll have to try to turn off 2 times if the first attempt's time of day seconds end in :x9
  • [11:31:01] <bradfa> if anyone else is interested, please let rookie or myself know
  • [11:31:41] <bradfa> rookie's version was a little more elegant than mine
  • [11:32:59] <bradfa> and apparently I didn't burn down the building yesterday with my lithium battery charging, which is always good
  • [11:34:21] <LetoThe2nd> party?
  • [11:37:10] <av500> pooper
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  • [11:45:21] <bradfa> av500, that's what I thought...
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  • [11:56:55] <av500> \o/ new boot loader: https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/gDfHgApPma1
  • [11:57:03] <av500> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/gummiboot
  • [11:59:24] <ogra_> heh
  • [11:59:36] <ogra_> i wasnt aware that kay works for RH now
  • [12:02:25] <dm8tbr> av500: without RTFA, does it at least support CWM? *duck* *run*
  • [12:06:16] <av500> dm8tbr: I guess xda can binary patch that in
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  • [12:10:55] <dm8tbr> av500: +1
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  • [12:32:55] <jannau> av500: I think you overestimate the mad h4ck3r skillz of the average xda member
  • [12:38:08] <mru> he's not overestimating their _est1m4t3_ of their skillz
  • [12:39:52] <av500> jannau: btw, JB on gslate, when?
  • [12:41:36] <Cubi_> I have a kernel/multicast problem. Does anybody know a mailing list/newsgroup/forum for linux/networking problems? I don't get an answer at comp.os.linux.networking (low traffic there).
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  • [12:44:07] <dm8tbr> LKML?
  • [12:45:22] <Cubi_> Aren't they only for patches and bug reports?
  • [12:45:37] <jannau> av500: as soon as you leak the pdk
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  • [13:01:13] <paggy> hallo
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  • [13:02:14] <paggy> is external debugger required for beagle-xm
  • [13:02:31] <paggy> for debugging linux and HAL
  • [13:02:41] <woglinde> what hal?
  • [13:02:55] <paggy> hardware abstraction layer
  • [13:02:56] <mru> HAL 9000
  • [13:03:16] <mdp> bradfa: please, when experimenting with lithium battery charging...do engage g+ party mode!
  • [13:03:20] <av500> paggy: same answer as yesterday
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  • [13:03:44] <paggy> what
  • [13:04:01] <bradfa> mdp, party mode, ENGAGED!
  • [13:04:17] <bradfa> been up for 50 minutes so far, just idling printing the date every 10 seconds
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  • [13:04:27] <av500> [14:31:01] <paggy> can anybody tell me is there need of external debugger for beagle board- xm
  • [13:04:28] <av500> [14:32:21] <aholler> no
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  • [13:05:09] <mdp> bradfa, ....fire extinguisher - check! ;)
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  • [13:05:21] <paggy> for HAL debugging
  • [13:05:28] <woglinde> av500 let bet he will join under new name and asking the same
  • [13:05:30] <bradfa> mdp, I asked about fire extinguisher yesterday. answer wasn't reassuring
  • [13:05:32] <woglinde> hi ynezz
  • [13:05:36] <bradfa> we have one but it hasn't been inspected in a while
  • [13:05:43] <dm8tbr> I'm sorry dave, but I can't let you do that.
  • [13:05:45] <bradfa> and kodak (who owns the building) wants to remove them...
  • [13:05:54] <bradfa> luckily we have lots of asbestos
  • [13:06:04] <woglinde> bradfa hm kodak is dead
  • [13:06:15] <woglinde> bradfa good for cancer
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  • [13:06:26] <paggy> .hallo any body knows that
  • [13:06:26] <bradfa> woglinde, queue monty python sketch
  • [13:06:27] <mdp> bradfa, "we have this one with the tag from 1982!"
  • [13:06:37] <bradfa> mdp, almost!
  • [13:06:58] <bradfa> woglinde, they're not dead yet, coal fired power plant on site is still running, I can see it out the window
  • [13:07:04] <bradfa> and power is still on
  • [13:07:10] <bradfa> granted, bone is on battery, just in case :)
  • [13:07:18] <av500> paggy: the answer is NO
  • [13:08:01] <dm8tbr> we could always sell him some lauterbach... the commission on this stuff must be awesome.
  • [13:09:21] <woglinde> paggy use the serial cable for debug
  • [13:09:34] <bradfa> coal power plant on kodak site: http://goo.gl/maps/TDgO still running!
  • [13:09:35] <woglinde> dm8tbr *g*
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  • [13:09:56] <bradfa> I think they shut the nuclear plant down though :(
  • [13:10:03] <bradfa> it was just a little one
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  • [13:11:46] <mdp> bradfa, you *may* need to run on battery 24/7 then
  • [13:12:27] <mdp> bradfa, enjoy off mode
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  • [13:13:09] <bradfa> mdp, ya
  • [13:13:34] <woglinde> bradfa hm ah rochester
  • [13:14:09] <bradfa> woglinde, it's not snowing today! :)
  • [13:14:15] <woglinde> lol
  • [13:14:21] <woglinde> we have summer now
  • [13:14:34] <woglinde> after the rain the last 2 weeks
  • [13:14:44] <woglinde> but I have some cold
  • [13:16:09] <mdp> bradfa, hot there yesterday?
  • [13:16:16] <bradfa> it's been warm lately
  • [13:17:24] <mdp> yeah, we hit 38c yesterday which is pretty much our limit here
  • [13:17:38] <mdp> or an average day when I lived in phx
  • [13:18:03] <bradfa> my sister-in-law is moving to AZ from Rochester, it's warmer there in January than it is here in July
  • [13:18:30] <mdp> bradfa, it gets cold at night in the winter..despite the heat island effect...but yeah
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  • [13:18:55] <mdp> we liked it there too
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  • [13:28:57] <stuk_gen> is there a way to set default setting for alsamixer? ever reboot i have to re set up everything
  • [13:29:42] <woglinde> look at alsa state
  • [13:29:59] <stuk_gen> woglinde: ?
  • [13:32:18] <jacekowski> google it
  • [13:32:19] <mru> alsactl
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  • [13:36:18] <yegorich> Hi! I'm looking for a kernel repo with functioning framebuffer driver
  • [13:37:04] <yegorich> so far I'm using https://github.com/koenkooi/linux.git for am3359
  • [13:40:05] <yegorich> master branch
  • [13:40:44] <yegorich> the first problem I encoutered was that this driver doesn't suppor FB_BLANK_BLANK
  • [13:40:56] <tasslehoff> is there a trick to force fsck on mmc-partitions mounted by udev?
  • [13:41:07] <mdp> yegorich: da8xx-fb, you mean?
  • [13:41:07] <yegorich> koen: any idea?
  • [13:41:21] <yegorich> mdp: yes da8xx-fb
  • [13:43:52] <yegorich> mdp: is there any good arago repo you can recommend?
  • [13:44:55] * mdp senses that this could be a trick question
  • [13:45:42] <mdp> yegorich, all I know of is that we have the arago psp am335x tree that's the latest TI kernel code...
  • [13:46:13] <mdp> then there's koen's tree with additional features and tweaking that's actually used for the official builds...and the one I use for beaglebone tinkering
  • [13:46:24] <woglinde> stuk_gen there is a package alsa-state
  • [13:46:27] <mdp> no idea about da8xx-fb stuff at all
  • [13:46:32] <yegorich> mdp: as I started with arago's kernel (about 4 month ago) I couldn't even boot beaglebone
  • [13:46:56] <mdp> I've never used it so I can't comment
  • [13:47:08] <yegorich> mdp: that's why I switched to Koen's tree
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  • [13:47:56] <woglinde> yegorich implement FB_BLANK yourself?
  • [13:48:22] <mdp> it is a child of the psp arago tree though, keep that in mind
  • [13:49:08] <yegorich> woglinde: made, but then I have another issue: (EE) FBDEV(0): internal error: miCreateDefColormap failed in FBDevScreenInit()
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  • [13:50:16] <woglinde> and?
  • [13:50:26] <woglinde> debug it with kernel debugger
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  • [13:50:43] <woglinde> who else should help you
  • [13:52:44] <woglinde> koen often states he is nor programmer
  • [13:53:00] <mdp> I can confirm he's a NOR programmer
  • [13:53:31] <woglinde> *g*
  • [13:54:05] <dwery> ouch... I missed product management 101!
  • [13:54:35] <mdp> yegorich: totally unrelated...your e2e i2c/sil question...I can't believe that hasn't been solved in countless android tables with omaps....if you know what I mean
  • [13:55:27] <yegorich> mdp: that's a point. The question is if they use this chip sii9022a
  • [13:55:41] <woglinde> dwery?
  • [13:56:57] <mdp> yegorich: well, sii has had previous transmitters...I worked briefly with one in 2006...typically they keep the same design..unless they acquired some IP.
  • [13:57:03] <yegorich> mdp: it can be that they don't ask for edid info and just try one of the resolutions
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  • [13:58:01] <mdp> possibly...my use case back then didn't use EDID at the time
  • [13:59:00] <mdp> but it's a popular design choice as are parts with the omap-i2c block..so...
  • [13:59:05] <yegorich> woglinde: it seems there is nothing left to do but debug myself ;-) Nevetherless there are LCD capes for BeagleBone, so there should be a driver working with X. Or is my assumption wrong?
  • [13:59:50] <yegorich> mdp. what I find funny is that none got the driver mainlined
  • [14:00:11] <mdp> *ahem* that's because of open android ;)
  • [14:00:46] <yegorich> mdp: do you know any of the system I could get the kernel source using this chip?
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  • [14:01:08] <mdp> it never hurts to search linaro tilt and omapzoom trees for working code
  • [14:01:18] <mdp> yegorich: nope
  • [14:01:55] <mdp> looks like you had to find the driver in an mxc tree?
  • [14:02:52] <woglinde> yegorich hw doesnt meant its fully supported
  • [14:03:48] <woglinde> oh and working xorg-driver is another case
  • [14:03:59] <woglinde> be lucky if fb works
  • [14:04:01] <yegorich> mdp: yes I have found one and talked to the developer, but he couldn't tell me exactly how they solved the problem with EDID
  • [14:04:44] <yegorich> woglinde: X fb driver is working very good with another SoC am3517
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  • [14:05:01] <yegorich> woglinde: but it has another LCD controller IP
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  • [14:07:14] <woglinde> I know only little about lcd stuff
  • [14:07:35] <woglinde> I as gald to hack my msm7x27 phone a bit
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  • [14:11:08] <mdp> yegorich, er, you meant it doesn't implement FB_BLANK_NORMAL?
  • [14:11:29] <mdp> I'm curious as to what exactly you debugged and determined is missing for X.org
  • [14:11:39] <yegorich> mdp: yes, compared to am3517 DSS
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  • [14:13:03] <yegorich> mdp: I'm right at the beginning. Found this thread, though not 100% related, but nevertheless interesting: http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/sitara_arm174_microprocessors/f/791/t/189862.aspx
  • [14:13:13] <mdp> it's probably best to wait for koen, he works with those lcd capes regularly and should know any limitations
  • [14:13:24] <yegorich> mdp: everyone seems to work with Android ;-)
  • [14:13:57] <woglinde> android makes $$$$
  • [14:14:37] <mdp> yegorich: not on our parts ;) meaning "this TI" ... android is almost irrelevant tbh
  • [14:14:40] <angs> what is the maximum allowded current for beaglebone? Is 5V, 2A fine for beaglebone or it may harm the HW?
  • [14:15:03] <woglinde> angs I read up to 3a
  • [14:15:09] <woglinde> ups 3A is okay
  • [14:15:15] <angs> woglinde: thank you
  • [14:15:32] <woglinde> so 2A is okay
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  • [14:15:42] <angs> sure, thanks
  • [14:15:42] <woglinde> and good for usb devices
  • [14:15:47] <mdp> yegorich, that's a typical integration issue with non-cache coherent processors and the DMA API...wrt the e2e link
  • [14:16:11] <yegorich> mdp: O.K.
  • [14:17:27] <yegorich> mdp: I'll dig further
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  • [14:19:50] <mdp> yegorich, keep in mind that the driver was only hacked with support for the displays on the reference boards...so if you depart from constraints set by those displays, you are likely to run into coding opportunities.
  • [14:20:36] <yegorich> mdp: I understand
  • [14:20:44] <yegorich> mdp: :-)
  • [14:21:03] <mdp> yegorich...also consider the history of that driver/IP...it comes from "underpowered" arm926 socs.....so imagine what displays were ever driven by it before...
  • [14:21:22] <yegorich> mdp: for our am3517 based system I submitted the patch with our screen :-)
  • [14:22:21] <yegorich> mdp: what about a Sitara SoC based on OMAP6?
  • [14:22:54] <mdp> what does based on omap6 mean to you?
  • [14:23:12] <av500> omap6 is just a testbed for omap7....
  • [14:23:15] <yegorich> mdp: so that I have built-in HDMI support ;-)
  • [14:24:17] <mdp> sitara are broadmarket parts...if there was some broad demand for that...it would be in there
  • [14:24:26] <mdp> OMAP is built for only one thing atm ;)
  • [14:24:46] <yegorich> mdp: I would also prefer that TI chooses one consistent set of IP blocks (CAN, EMAC etc.) So that if SoC is OMAP, then it uses the same IP between various SoC's. am3517 is OMAP3 and am3359 is OMAP3, but they have almost nothing in common
  • [14:25:35] <mdp> yegorich, you can't choose EMAC and meet new requirements
  • [14:26:34] <mdp> and the dcan block is totally standard...even fit into an existing driver as an incremental step (see mainline acceptance of that) so I don't see the issue
  • [14:27:05] <mdp> in any case, I have no influence on silicon design so this discussion is pointless ;)
  • [14:27:42] <yegorich> mdp: that was just a soul cry of a developer working with two SoC's at a time ;-)
  • [14:28:13] <mdp> yegorich, understand that sometimes people choose something for cost/market reasons...and DSS is expensive.
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  • [14:30:04] <yegorich> mdp: I see :-)
  • [14:31:38] <mdp> tell me why you didn't choose am37xx?
  • [14:31:57] <mdp> no CAN?
  • [14:32:13] <dwery> CAN? who said CAN?
  • [14:32:28] <mdp> dwery: you CAN, we CAN, everybody CAN!
  • [14:32:41] <yegorich> mdp: I was not in a postion to choose the SoC :-(
  • [14:32:48] <dwery> mdp: May I introducte you to Mr. Bosch? :D
  • [14:32:56] <mdp> yegorich, ahh, so we have much in common
  • [14:33:38] <mdp> yegorich, also, I wouldn't exactly call am3517 and am3359 "omap3"...that's way off
  • [14:35:02] <mdp> am335x, in particular, departs from omap architecture in huge ways...having nothing to do with the actual IP blocks chosen.
  • [14:36:48] <yegorich> mdp: yup!
  • [14:38:42] <woglinde> Mr Bosch is dead?
  • [14:39:10] <dwery> his IP is well alive...
  • [14:39:30] <av500> the Bosch Bosch?
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  • [14:39:41] <woglinde> zuendkerze
  • [14:39:44] <woglinde> yeaj
  • [14:39:47] <woglinde> ups yeah
  • [14:39:49] <av500> that one is not dead
  • [14:39:58] <woglinde> hm
  • [14:40:02] <woglinde> let me check wiki
  • [14:40:25] <dwery> there's only one Bosch.. and one CAN :D
  • [14:41:04] <jannau> robert bosch is was born in the 19th century should be dead by now
  • [14:41:15] <av500> true
  • [14:41:22] <woglinde> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottlob_Honold
  • [14:41:26] <mdp> "should" be the operative word
  • [14:41:28] <av500> but his legacy lives on, I have a fridge in his name
  • [14:41:50] <woglinde> bosch is big in asia too I think
  • [14:41:54] <mdp> av500, I have some ceremonial spark plugs in his honor as well!
  • [14:42:00] <woglinde> saw documentation some weeks agao
  • [14:42:09] <dwery> mdp: how kind of you
  • [14:42:40] <av500> mdp: I have glow plugs :)
  • [14:42:44] <jannau> av500: made by Siemens
  • [14:42:54] <av500> jannau: of course
  • [14:42:59] <av500> I wanted a good one :)
  • [14:43:03] <mdp> av500, I used to have those too ;)
  • [14:43:10] <av500> but the bosch equivalent was cheaper
  • [14:43:48] <woglinde> mdp you can spell diesel in the us?
  • [14:43:54] * woglinde runs
  • [14:43:59] <mdp> hehe
  • [14:44:19] <woglinde> lpg needs sparkys too
  • [14:44:21] <mdp> alas, I sent my jetta tdi to a new home
  • [14:44:31] <woglinde> jetta woot
  • [14:44:39] <woglinde> thats really memorial
  • [14:44:44] <av500> woglinde: only here
  • [14:44:49] <av500> jetta was big outside DE
  • [14:44:52] <mdp> woglinde: we do still have a kubota diesel tractor...incredible machine
  • [14:44:52] <woglinde> av500 I know
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  • [14:44:57] <av500> for countries that require a trunk
  • [14:45:14] <mdp> av500, we need the trunk to lock our rifles in
  • [14:45:19] <av500> yes
  • [14:45:29] <mdp> hence the term, "trunk gun"
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  • [14:45:46] <av500> mdp: no rifle rack in your pickup cab?
  • [14:45:53] <mdp> no comment
  • [14:46:25] <mdp> you are more likely to see me with a crossbow hanging in the truck at certain times of the year
  • [14:46:29] <av500> I thought the trunk was for bait and tackle
  • [14:46:56] <dwery> that has something to do with the deers of the other day, right?
  • [14:47:11] <mdp> dwery, yes, there's a connection there I guess
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  • [14:47:54] <dwery> gotta love this channel!
  • [14:49:23] <mdp> dwery, I don't think "love" is why were here...it's more about watching a train wreck on a daily basis
  • [14:50:17] <dwery> uhm...
  • [14:50:58] <woglinde> train spotting
  • [14:51:02] <woglinde> yes
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  • [16:02:20] <bradfa> anyone know who's manufacturing the google Nexus Q?
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  • [16:06:25] * gurgalof bought a beaglebone yesterday...
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  • [16:08:20] <linuxjacques> bradfa, I was wondering that myself
  • [16:08:57] <linuxjacques> maybe a tear-down will answer it
  • [16:09:14] <smplman> Keebler elfs
  • [16:09:37] <mru> av500: why are you sending me linkedin invite spam?
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  • [16:11:09] * bradfa didn't get any linkedin spam, feels left out
  • [16:11:46] <mru> bradfa: I got 3 from av500, want one?
  • [16:11:59] <bradfa> mru, sure! :)
  • [16:12:20] <bradfa> currently on hour number 4 with lipo battery powered bone
  • [16:12:27] <bradfa> lasting longer than I expected
  • [16:12:50] <bradfa> 2.4Ah pack
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  • [16:13:45] <aholler> I got around 3h using a bb c4 with a sanyo kbc-l2 and an attached 7" mimo
  • [16:14:22] <linuxjacques> smplman, hmm, I always thought of the Keebler elves as being outside the US
  • [16:14:51] <bradfa> aholler, I'm running lipo through battery header P6 on bone, no boost, but then no screen either
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  • [16:15:13] <smplman> linuxjacques: they are everywhere, EVERYWHERE i tell ya
  • [16:15:19] <linuxjacques> heh
  • [16:15:22] <mru> hmm, the linkedin web page only lists two of the invites
  • [16:15:29] <mru> wonder what happens if I accept both
  • [16:15:55] <bradfa> mru, you become extra connected!
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  • [16:17:00] <smplman> on social media https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/402080_2622304685082_1013522940_n.jpg
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  • [16:29:06] <smplman> who ever was asking about the manufacturing of the Nexus Q --> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/06/29/1224237/google-on-shores-manufacturing-of-the-nexus-q
  • [16:30:35] <bradfa> smplman, I read through most of that and didn't see what company is actually doing the manufacturing
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  • [16:30:48] <smplman> yea and the article is pay walled
  • [16:30:59] <bradfa> search google for it to get around paywall
  • [16:31:04] <smplman> nice
  • [16:32:17] <av500> mru: sorry, I am new to this game
  • [16:32:42] <av500> and I thought it would find out by itself if there were 2 identical ones from different adress books
  • [16:32:47] <av500> seems not
  • [16:33:01] <agmlego> Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that *Google* was making the Nexus Q?
  • [16:33:05] <agmlego> Or was that just the design?
  • [16:33:06] <av500> yes
  • [16:33:10] <av500> in their spare time
  • [16:33:21] <av500> every google employee takes home a few pieces after work
  • [16:33:25] <av500> and assembles them
  • [16:33:32] <av500> made in USA!
  • [16:33:39] <smplman> it does appear to be google doing it http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/28/tech/mobile/google-nexus-q-usa/index.html
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  • [16:33:57] <av500> google is paying somebody to do it
  • [16:34:09] <av500> its like NASA building rocketd
  • [16:34:13] <av500> rockets*
  • [16:34:22] <bradfa> /etc/init.d/rocketd start
  • [16:34:46] * bradfa 's rocket didn't start :(
  • [16:34:59] <bradfa> something about dependencies
  • [16:35:22] <bradfa> smplman, they're outsourcing the manufacturing, google doesn't own (any?) manufacturing facilities
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  • [16:35:45] <av500> maybe they do - secretly
  • [16:35:55] <smplman> are we sure they don't "own" it?
  • [16:36:02] <bradfa> smplman, pretty sure
  • [16:36:19] <bradfa> it'd be silly for Google to own a manufacturing site
  • [16:36:22] <smplman> i still like its all USA
  • [16:36:29] <bradfa> smplman, yes
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  • [16:36:53] <smplman> that could solve the fragmentation issue, just let google manufacture their devices
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  • [16:37:04] <bradfa> smplman, what fragmentation issue?
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  • [16:37:16] <smplman> of the android OS
  • [16:37:21] <aholler> they bought motorola, and I assume somebody knows where and how to manufacture such
  • [16:37:33] <smplman> oh I want Jelly Bean, but my phone won't get it
  • [16:37:35] <bradfa> smplman, I think there's more to android fragmentation than just manufacturing
  • [16:37:37] <av500> root it
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  • [16:37:49] <smplman> hardware is the main issue in fragmentation
  • [16:37:55] <bradfa> aholler, they did, but did moto actually own manufacturing? I dunno
  • [16:38:05] <bradfa> smplman, you'd be surprised
  • [16:38:39] <smplman> separate companies, separate hardware, separate code
  • [16:38:55] <bradfa> but that's what google wants
  • [16:39:04] <bradfa> they don't want what apple does, one company, one hardware, one code
  • [16:39:15] <aholler> manufactured in the us could mean somebody in the us placed the chinese board into the chinese case
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  • [16:39:43] <bradfa> aholler, the article says the case is mfg in usa along with a few other components and then final assy is done in USA, too
  • [16:39:48] <bradfa> so possibly
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  • [16:39:55] <bradfa> it's OMAP4, so where's those built?
  • [16:40:05] <smplman> i was about to ask the same
  • [16:40:16] <bradfa> I'd assume at TSMC or the like
  • [16:40:57] <bradfa> although globalfoundaries has a nice new plan in NY state now
  • [16:41:05] <bradfa> saratoga I think
  • [16:42:56] <bradfa> the way intel does it, the dies are mostly manufactured in the usa then shipped overseas to get placed in the packages and boxed up
  • [16:44:16] <aholler> everyone does such.
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  • [16:48:10] <mranostay> av500: codec wrangler, eh? :)
  • [16:49:30] <bradfa> mranostay, chief codec wrangler!
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  • [16:51:25] <antonio__> hello there, I'm wondering if anybody has been used the beaglebone with real time patches (xenomai, rtai, preempt-rt)
  • [16:52:40] <agmlego> I am sure someone has.
  • [16:53:00] <mranostay> i'm sure someone has been bored and insane enough to try
  • [16:55:48] <aholler> no rtc, no real time
  • [16:56:22] <mranostay> well pop a RTC clock on :)
  • [16:56:44] <agmlego> Are they not using the same management IC on the bone as on the xM?
  • [16:56:48] <agmlego> That has an RTC in it.
  • [16:57:06] <agmlego> No battery populated, but easy enough to add that and enable the module.
  • [16:57:25] <aholler> no
  • [16:57:51] <antonio__> not rtc, rt... deterministic output
  • [16:58:25] <aholler> antonio__: it was a joke
  • [16:58:26] <antonio__> haven't found anything or anyone working on it yet
  • [16:59:15] <antonio__> I don't want to start from scratch :S
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  • [16:59:53] <agmlego> antonio__: Should not really be any different on the bone as on any other ARM embedded board.
  • [17:00:10] <aholler> many of the rt-stuff already went into the mainline kernel
  • [17:00:33] <aholler> s/many/much/
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  • [17:01:29] <aholler> so first try if you really need rt-patches.
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  • [17:05:03] <antonio__> yes, the patch from Igno is quite good, and yes, I really need a rt-system. Right now, with the BB I can control a motor about 2 khz and my target is 40 khz
  • [17:06:06] <antonio__> I want to know if the BB can make it
  • [17:06:41] <antonio__> a lot of work to do
  • [17:06:43] <dm8tbr> I thought that was what this PRUSS thing in the bbone was for
  • [17:08:42] <aholler> there's always the option to not use linux. I wouldn't control motors directly by linux
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  • [17:09:19] <agmlego> Yeah, if you nreally want RT, use an RTOS. (Actually, if you really want RT, use a PLC, but that is neither here nor there).
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  • [17:14:22] <aholler> but that all depends what your box should do besides controlling the motors. if you don't use usb or network, there isn't much which could disturb your motor control ;)
  • [17:15:42] <agmlego> Also, I have to wonder at your phrasing. Are you trying to change the state of a motor 40 thousand times a second, or are you trying to use 40kHz as a PWM base?
  • [17:17:30] <aholler> sounds like bitbanging pwc
  • [17:17:33] <antonio__> I need to sent the pulse (square) signal at 40 Khz, not PWM
  • [17:18:13] <aholler> s/pwc/pwm/
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  • [17:18:51] <mranostay> antonio__: filter it?
  • [17:19:34] <mranostay> you could bit bang GPIO lines
  • [17:19:57] <agmlego> antonio__: What kind of control method are you using with a square wave that is *not* PWM?
  • [17:20:00] <agmlego> PPM?
  • [17:20:07] <agmlego> Stepping?
  • [17:20:15] <antonio__> yes
  • [17:20:16] <aholler> the bone has hw-pwm, so just use a 50% duty cycle
  • [17:20:19] <antonio__> stepper motors
  • [17:20:26] <agmlego> Ah.
  • [17:20:30] <antonio__> sorry
  • [17:20:51] <agmlego> So, you are trying to run software-controlled 40kHz square waves. What is blocking you from doing this?
  • [17:21:11] <agmlego> Also, as aholler says, use the onboard hardware PWM generation.
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  • [17:22:33] <antonio__> I use the GPIO directly and I can only get ~2.6 Khz for the pulse sign
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  • [17:24:49] <antonio__> I like the idea of use PWM, it's now on the to-do list
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  • [17:27:20] <antonio__> I did try with the arduino first, it can handle as far as 66 Khz but it can not make the necessary maths for the trajectory
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  • [17:29:42] <agmlego> antonio__: So use both.
  • [17:30:08] <agmlego> antonio__: A low-level micro (or a stepper controller!) for the stepper, and the bone for high-level math and processing.,
  • [17:38:04] <antonio__> I guest that solution will be not well see. Need to check that PRUSS thing, didn't know about it
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  • [17:58:10] <henning_> hm I should linkedin to av500 too
  • [17:58:13] <henning_> args
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  • [17:59:44] <ncbas> antonio__: Have you looked at my solution at https://github.com/modmaker/BeBoPr ?
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  • [18:03:16] <woglinde> ncbas your makefile is not in beste state
  • [18:05:13] <ncbas> oh, what's wrong?
  • [18:06:11] <woglinde> hm does overriding CROSS_COMPILE works?
  • [18:07:04] <ncbas> I've had no complaints thus far, but I welcome any improvements.
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  • [18:08:09] <woglinde> I think it should be :=
  • [18:08:31] <antonio__> ncbas: that's nice
  • [18:10:37] <ncbas> antonio__: What is it that you want to control?
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  • [18:11:49] <antonio__> a lens polisher, two arms, 9 steppers in total
  • [18:12:08] <woglinde> antonio telescope?
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  • [18:12:31] <antonio__> no, eye glasses
  • [18:12:58] <antonio__> telescope lenses are more difficult
  • [18:13:45] <mranostay> esp in place of eye glasses
  • [18:13:50] <agmlego> antonio__: To polish as in clean, or polish as in take a rouch-cut lens and work it smooth?
  • [18:14:00] <agmlego> *rough
  • [18:14:45] <ncbas> The PRUSS has only a limited number of outputs, so 9 steppers isn't obvious. But you could multiplex as the PRUSS is very fast.
  • [18:15:44] <antonio__> to make it smooth :)
  • [18:15:45] <agmlego> Or, use an external stepper controller.
  • [18:15:59] <agmlego> antonio__: Ah, so you need high precision as well as speed.
  • [18:16:31] <antonio__> ncbas: PRUSS seems very interesting, I just grab a cup of coffe to check it out
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  • [18:18:01] <antonio__> agmlego: not really, we use some rubbers and relatively low speed, it have not good precision
  • [18:18:57] <antonio__> agmlego: but that's the key of the machine
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  • [18:20:03] <agmlego> antonio__: YOu are polishing down lenses with rubber? Generally, that is done with like a mild abrasive and cloth pads.
  • [18:21:18] <ncbas> woglinde: The Makefile seems to work with both '=' and ':=' . Can you explain the difference?
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  • [18:25:59] <antonio__> agmlego: yes, we do that, but the tool is based in soft neopreno for it can change the its form enough without deform the lenses curve. I have seen it from many manufacturers
  • [18:26:16] <agmlego> Ah, OK.
  • [18:26:37] <agmlego> antonio__: So, why are you using the bone insytead of the controller that came with the machine?
  • [18:28:22] <koen> ncbas: how goes the cape?
  • [18:28:46] <antonio__> agmlego: eventually price cut, new forms of control.. in a few word for testing purposes
  • [18:29:38] <agmlego> antonio__: Makes sense.
  • [18:31:07] <antonio__> agmlego: that project have like 10 years old and like 8 of them dormant, everything is obsolete right now
  • [18:32:21] <agmlego> I can imagine.
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  • [18:34:19] <antonio__> ncbas: the BeBoPr is your project?
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  • [19:17:11] <ncbas> antonio__: yes, BeBoPr is mine, both hardware and software.
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  • [19:18:24] <ncbas> koen: some capes are being assembled right now. How's the 'verhuizing' going ; )
  • [19:20:40] <mranostay> is guessing that is dutch for moving
  • [19:23:38] <angs> I installed ubuntu-server image then installed ubuntu-desktop image on beagleboard-xm rev C. I can not get any video output, the board is connected to the monitor via hdmi to dvi-d. do I need to configure the video output or do I suppose to see the video output as I reboot the board?
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  • [19:29:12] <djlewis> Beagleboard XM dv-D connector does not support the full HDMI interface and is used to
  • [19:29:12] <djlewis> provide the DVI-D interface portion only.
  • [19:29:59] <djlewis> works with most computer monitors with DVI-D input and some tv's that have DVI-D
  • [19:31:06] <djlewis> reference page 25 of BBSxMSRM docs
  • [19:31:21] <djlewis> BBxMSRM
  • [19:50:22] <angs> djlewis: thank you. I am using the same cable in the figure 57, but I do not get any video output as I power the board.
  • [19:51:21] <dm8tbr> which brand?
  • [19:51:46] <dm8tbr> or hmm, with BBxm you need to pass the resolution manually anyway
  • [19:52:11] <angs> do you mean the monitor brand?
  • [19:52:17] <angs> it is dell
  • [19:52:18] <dm8tbr> yes
  • [19:52:37] <angs> I think it is square 17 inch screen
  • [19:53:05] <dm8tbr> you might need to set the dvi output resolution manually
  • [19:53:13] <angs> how can I do it?
  • [19:53:32] <angs> is there any document that I can read or use?
  • [19:53:39] <dm8tbr> haven't done that in a while. someone else probably has better pointers
  • [19:54:54] <woglinde> http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP/changing-the-display-resolution.html
  • [19:55:04] <dm8tbr> see! :D
  • [19:55:16] <woglinde> forget the nand part
  • [19:55:23] <woglinde> try printenv
  • [19:55:25] <woglinde> before
  • [19:55:30] <woglinde> to see if something changed
  • [19:55:34] <woglinde> with dvimode
  • [19:55:40] <woglinde> variable
  • [19:55:46] <woglinde> dm8tbr ay
  • [19:55:58] <angs> dm8tbr, woglinde: thank you, I will try it
  • [19:56:31] <woglinde> hm 64 ram computer would cost me 790 euros
  • [19:56:41] <woglinde> +gig
  • [19:57:03] <dm8tbr> RAM _is_ cheap :-O
  • [19:57:04] <woglinde> I could use a 50 gig ramdisk for oe
  • [19:57:11] <woglinde> eehhhh
  • [19:57:15] <woglinde> that would be cool
  • [19:57:34] <woglinde> or 60 gig
  • [19:57:36] <dm8tbr> yes, ramdisk for building stuff is quite popular recently
  • [19:57:36] <djlewis> speed it up :)
  • [19:58:02] <woglinde> okay be 800-900 power and case
  • [19:58:08] <woglinde> +would
  • [19:58:28] <dm8tbr> high performance OBS installations also run the 'worker' instances completely in RAM
  • [20:00:27] <woglinde> obs?
  • [20:00:34] <mru> guess why I maxed out the ram in my machine
  • [20:00:39] <mru> woglinde: opensuse build something
  • [20:00:49] <woglinde> ieehks
  • [20:01:01] <woglinde> opensuse searches it way now
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  • [20:01:51] <dm8tbr> nowadays only 'open'
  • [20:01:56] <dm8tbr> open build server
  • [20:02:13] <dm8tbr> it's a neat concept, but very resource intensive
  • [20:03:08] <woglinde> we had pbuilder before
  • [20:10:38] <djlewis> its a cool 106F today :)
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  • [20:11:13] <woglinde> +g*
  • [20:14:54] <angs> woglinde: the monitor shows "self test check" screen after env setting, however the I can not get any another output when I power the board. Is there anything else that I can do? this is the output of the boot procedure http://pastebin.com/9Tjridi4
  • [20:17:13] <woglinde> angs gets the monitor orange when u-boot is loaded?
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  • [20:17:25] <woglinde> otherwise something is wrong with the cables
  • [20:17:37] <woglinde> or you need some edid stuff
  • [20:18:02] <woglinde> whats the resolution of the monitor?
  • [20:18:03] <angs> I have this screen all the time, http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/E228WFP/En/ug/graphics/stfcD.gif
  • [20:18:19] <angs> it is a square 17 inch monitor
  • [20:18:28] <woglinde> how did you connect it now?
  • [20:18:36] <woglinde> via hdmi-dvi?
  • [20:19:37] <angs> woglinde: yes hdmi-dvi
  • [20:20:52] <djlewis> beagleboardXM HDMI connector to monitor DVI-D ?
  • [20:21:01] <angs> yes
  • [20:21:26] <angs> I will try it on an another board
  • [20:21:27] <djlewis> is this a straight cable or something with adapters inline?
  • [20:22:02] <angs> straight cable
  • [20:22:21] <angs> I have an extra cable, I will try it with a new cable
  • [20:23:01] <woglinde> hm some tv's needed some tweaking inside kernel
  • [20:23:14] <woglinde> but I dont remember monitors
  • [20:23:25] <woglinde> besides some 7inch
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  • [20:24:37] <angs> sh.t the cable was broken :S I see the output now
  • [20:24:50] <angs> ah I spent my almost whole day on it :(
  • [20:24:53] <djlewis> cool
  • [20:24:59] <djlewis> that it is working
  • [20:25:05] <angs> thank you very much for helping me
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  • [20:25:20] <woglinde> hm yes
  • [20:25:28] <woglinde> first you should consider the hw broken
  • [20:25:35] <mranostay> i would like to buy a vowel
  • [20:25:40] <angs> I will go and burn the cable :)
  • [20:25:48] <djlewis> and sell the copper
  • [20:28:25] <mranostay> can't do that anymore
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  • [20:31:01] <mdp> mranostay, and so goes away a reason to enjoy the pretty colors of burning insulation
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  • [20:32:42] <mranostay> and killing the ozone layer? :)
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  • [20:37:01] <djlewis> i could lay it out on the asphalt parking lot and melt it off.
  • [20:37:06] <jkridner> ka6sox: is there any effort to put webOS on Angstrom?
  • [20:37:34] <jkridner> seems to me it could really take Angstrom to another level, especially with Cloud9 IDE as a development engine.
  • [20:37:58] <jkridner> ka6sox: I just learned you are involved in the webOS community edition release.
  • [20:39:35] <woglinde> jkrinder *g*
  • [20:40:48] <jkridner> woglinde: are you involved as well?
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  • [21:00:37] <djlewis> the silent treatment
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  • [21:01:08] <agmlego> No, just IRC.
  • [21:01:43] * djlewis was just kidding about jkridner's last question
  • [21:02:07] <woglinde> jkridner no, bu I posted the article from heise.de here
  • [21:02:25] <woglinde> where ka6sox was mentioned
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  • [21:04:25] <antonio__> ncbas: it's really nice project, do you have more info about pruss?
  • [21:06:14] <woglinde> hm intressting the thunderstorm has shutdown our tv cable net
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