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  • [01:55:36] <ojm> mmm... what kind of cord does the iSound thingy need? I'm European, so...
  • [01:56:40] <agmlego> iSound thingy?
  • [01:56:46] <agmlego> Oh.
  • [01:57:36] <agmlego> "100/240v AC Adapter Included"
  • [01:57:45] <agmlego> Looks like a standard US plug, though.
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  • [02:00:39] <Russ> oh noes! digikey is down
  • [02:01:06] <ds2> did bacon just fly by?
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  • [02:03:14] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:03:49] <Russ> its ok, its back
  • [02:03:58] <agmlego> Ah! prpplague , you are involved in the PandaBoard project, no?
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  • [02:04:14] <prpplague> guilty in more ways than one
  • [02:04:18] <agmlego> Heh.
  • [02:05:04] <agmlego> I am considering replacing my deceased xM with a PandaBoard ES, and was wondering about the ease of (softwatre, Linux) access to the peripheral busses such as SPI and I2C.
  • [02:05:40] <agmlego> I have a chain of I2C devices that it would be highly pleasing to connect directly to the device, rather than through an intermediary micro.
  • [02:05:47] <prpplague> agmlego: do you know how to do those things with the xM?
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  • [02:06:04] <agmlego> prpplague: Yes, in theory.
  • [02:06:09] <agmlego> The ES works the same?
  • [02:06:15] <prpplague> agmlego: then you know how to do them with panda
  • [02:06:29] <agmlego> Excellent.
  • [02:06:37] <prpplague> agmlego: in theory anything that runs the same version of linux will behave the same
  • [02:07:03] <agmlego> I have, to be honest, not yet dug through the extensive manual for the board, but are there ADC channls accessible by expansion pins?
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  • [02:09:37] <agmlego> I know the BeagleBone does have some, and the xm was...unclear.
  • [02:09:39] <prpplague> agmlego: no, no adc channels
  • [02:09:49] <agmlego> Ah, disappoint.
  • [02:09:57] <agmlego> The intermediary stays, then.
  • [02:10:06] <agmlego> Or, I have to get an I2C or SPI ADC...
  • [02:10:14] <prpplague> agmlego: or just add a adc via i2c or spi
  • [02:10:15] <agmlego> ...now there is a thought...
  • [02:10:18] <agmlego> Yeah.
  • [02:10:42] <agmlego> Well, I would probably still need the micro for PWM output, to interface with the servoes.
  • [02:11:16] <prpplague> agmlego: there are plenty of pwm chips
  • [02:12:03] <agmlego> Tempting.
  • [02:12:24] <agmlego> I could make this whole thing a single board machine, with a power/aux chip backpack on it.
  • [02:12:43] <prpplague> agmlego: what is it you are trying to do?
  • [02:13:56] <agmlego> prpplague: http://projectinanna.blogspot.com/
  • [02:14:02] <agmlego> Autonomous hovercraft.
  • [02:14:11] <ojm> oooooh
  • [02:14:17] <mru> full of autonomous eels?
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  • [02:14:41] <prpplague> agmlego: you'll have to off load some stuff to some micro's anyway
  • [02:15:55] <agmlego> prpplague: Oh?
  • [02:16:01] <agmlego> mru: No.
  • [02:16:03] <agmlego> ;-P
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  • [07:15:10] <LetoThe2nd> attention, german: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/18342/magpi-monatliches-magazin-rund-um-den-raspberry-pi.html
  • [07:15:13] <LetoThe2nd> *facepalm*
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  • [07:41:14] <koen> LetoThe2nd: *facepalm* indeed
  • [07:41:14] <koen> monthly magazine
  • [07:44:09] <LetoThe2nd> koen: you need to keep the hype alive.
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  • [07:48:42] <aholler> av500 had posted that already
  • [07:50:46] <aholler> It's like those magazines offered at the doctor, meant to be read while you are waiting ;)
  • [07:52:29] * aholler is awaiting an ivy-bridge magazine ;)
  • [07:52:57] <tomba> what's the relationship between omap3xxx and dm3xxx SoCs? dm3 is a davinci soc, and there's arch/arm/mach-davinci, but I also see arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c mentioning BB-xM, which has dm3... what am I missing?
  • [07:53:53] <aholler> confusion is the relation
  • [07:56:08] <aholler> every department of ti wants it's own soc
  • [07:56:19] <aholler> and every manager a name
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  • [07:57:15] <aholler> so you can use the part names to build an organizational structure of ti
  • [07:57:38] <av500> LetoThe2nd: the real fail is that it is in Flash......
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  • [07:58:45] <tomba> aholler: so I take it your answer is: "I don't know" =)
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  • [07:59:01] <aholler> tomba: no, omap is from the mobile department
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  • [07:59:11] <LetoThe2nd> av500: i resisted and did not click it.
  • [07:59:19] <aholler> dm is a catalog part, if I'm correct
  • [07:59:51] <koen> tomba: omap36xx == dm37xx
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  • [07:59:59] <tomba> well, I'm more interested in the techical side, than who sells the soc =)
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  • [08:00:15] <tomba> koen: okay, so dm37xx is not mach-davinci, but mach-omap2?
  • [08:00:27] <tomba> when talking about kernel
  • [08:00:39] <koen> tomba: omap34xx == omap35xx
  • [08:00:40] <koen> tomba: 34xx,36xx are wbu parts, 35xx,37xx are catalog parts
  • [08:00:40] <koen> tomba: correct
  • [08:01:06] <koen> tomba: take a 3630 and print "dm3730" on top of it, noone will notice the difference
  • [08:01:35] <tomba> somebody at TI should make a web page that explains what TI's SoCs really mean ;)
  • [08:01:38] <koen> tomba: but note that am35xx is not the same as omap35xx, it rips out the dsp and replaces sdrc with an emif
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  • [08:02:05] <koen> tomba: that would be an internal only webpage, since the partnumbers are used for segmentation :)
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  • [08:03:17] <tomba> koen: luckily I'm positioned in Finland, if I was located at the same place as the HW/marketing/whoever guys, I'd have a big urge to give them a good slap on the back of the head
  • [08:03:25] <koen> tomba: oh, and am37xx is dm37xx without dsp, so the the same as 36xx without dsp
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  • [08:04:20] <koen> tomba: true story: 'omap' was perceived as difficult due to all the dsp nonsense, so catalog renamed their chips. A while later customers said the 'new' chips were a lot easier to use
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  • [08:05:13] <av500> tomba:
  • [08:05:16] <av500> [14:56:33] <av500> I think TI needs one more website
  • [08:05:17] <av500> [14:56:42] <av500> timarketingnames.com
  • [08:05:58] <av500> koen: and there are 35xx and 36xx without DSP
  • [08:06:02] <av500> 3505
  • [08:06:05] <av500> 3611
  • [08:06:07] <av500> etc..
  • [08:06:18] <koen> right
  • [08:06:29] <av500> and 3611 is even no lpddr iirc
  • [08:06:31] <koen> I keep forgetting the exact numbers
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  • [08:06:34] <koen> so I say "without dsp" :)
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  • [08:09:27] <koen> wtf?
  • [08:09:34] <koen> only between 8pm and 6am?
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  • [08:11:05] <av500> koen: yep
  • [08:11:11] <av500> wtf indeed
  • [08:11:25] <av500> koen: but actaully, that is not the worst part
  • [08:11:34] <av500> the worst is that thay have to forget the content
  • [08:11:46] <av500> because private TV claims it will kill them otherwise
  • [08:12:03] <av500> so we pay this with TV fees and then others that we do not pay claim we cannot see it
  • [08:12:28] <av500> and yes, private TV is a gem that needs preservation
  • [08:13:21] * koen grew up with schimanski
  • [08:13:36] * av500 too
  • [08:13:53] <koen> I actually learned most of my german for tatort and der alte
  • [08:13:57] <koen> and a bit of derrick
  • [08:14:33] <koen> s/for/from/
  • [08:15:50] <av500> koen: but in the end, you dont need to download Tatort at all, with all the 3rd channels, there is a (older) Tatort on every night
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  • [08:19:10] <dm8tbr> der alte is very popular in finland too i noticed
  • [08:19:50] <koen> av500: yeah, we get a dose of tatort on the dutch public channels as well
  • [08:20:10] <av500> dm8tbr: well, since german crime TV is being taken over by scandinian crime.....
  • [08:20:35] <av500> you now get more soko g??teborg than 5113
  • [08:20:46] <koen> my father-in-law is addicted to scandinavian crime series
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  • [08:21:12] <dm8tbr> there even was a "finnish" tatort ;-)
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  • [08:21:17] <av500> yep
  • [08:21:29] <koen> forbrydelsen, bron, etc
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  • [09:08:03] <lpi> Hey ya! Is it possible to compile and debug with CodeSourcery on a Beagleboard xM under Windows?
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  • [10:03:48] <av500> koen: remind me, is gst-ti abandonware or not?
  • [10:04:08] <mianos> my beaglebone V4 boots angstrom but can't start up ubuntu :(
  • [10:05:45] <mianos> 11.10 or 12.04 using the guide on http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
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  • [10:11:17] <mianos> hmm, ok, loaders runs, boots the kernel, mounts the filesystem and then for 12.05 sort of stops in init
  • [10:11:32] <mianos> and 11.10 getty stops
  • [10:11:36] <koen> av500: dspbridge is enabled in the 3.2 kernel for beagleboard, only the userspace is missing
  • [10:11:43] <mianos> INFO: task getty:596 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
  • [10:11:44] <mianos> "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
  • [10:11:46] <koen> av500: so people can choose which abandonware to run
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  • [10:44:58] <nickjohnson> Okay, PCB order for a prototype stepper shield for the beaglebone ordered :)
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  • [10:47:04] <nickjohnson> By the way, is anyone aware of a Python library for the beaglebone that doesn't try to pretend to be an Arduino?
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  • [10:47:37] <nickjohnson> Having easy ways to read and write from GPIO pins is great, but I'm not looking for something to provide me with 'setup' and 'main' hooks so I can pretend I'm writing Arduino code in Python.
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  • [10:53:53] <koen> nickjohnson: if you're serious about those steppers, python will be made of fail for that
  • [10:54:07] <koen> nickjohnson: you want a kernel module for the timing you need
  • [10:54:36] <koen> anything interpreted will fail
  • [10:58:58] <nickjohnson> koen: I don't agree. Do you have any idea just how many clock cycles per step we have on something like the beaglebone?
  • [10:59:36] <nickjohnson> But in case someone does want high rate constant-speed stepping, the step pins are both on PWM enabled outputs
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  • [11:01:44] <koen> do you have any idea how bad the sysfs gpio interface is?
  • [11:01:44] <koen> this is not a microcontroller
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  • [11:38:14] <aholler> explaining the chaos theory by stepping from userspace ;)
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  • [11:39:16] <LetoThe2nd> aholler: explaining the user theory by space from chaotic stepping?
  • [11:39:34] <av500> Nuke them from orbit!
  • [11:40:01] <LetoThe2nd> <attention, rating r>: av500: nudes into orbit?!?
  • [11:40:40] <mru> that could get chaotic
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  • [11:42:06] * LetoThe2nd is ATM reviewing chaotic user code.
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  • [11:42:50] <mru> LetoThe2nd: strip it naked
  • [11:42:54] <mru> and spank it
  • [11:42:58] <mru> the user, that is
  • [11:43:09] <LetoThe2nd> mru: not a pretty user.
  • [11:43:26] <mru> nor pretty code
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  • [11:43:39] <LetoThe2nd> indeed
  • [11:44:29] <av500> give it the hose
  • [11:44:51] <LetoThe2nd> the metal singer in my headphones telling me something about asgard and valkyries also is not particularly helpful. damn.
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  • [11:46:13] <av500> if programmers are converting coffee into code, maybe LetoThe2nd is converting metal into rage code....
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  • [11:47:46] <nickjohnson> koen: Who said I was planning to use sysfs? That's a horrible hack if you're writing code.
  • [11:47:53] <nickjohnson> Much easier and better to use /dev/mem
  • [11:48:16] <LetoThe2nd> ok. and i thought my user code is disgusting.
  • [11:48:21] * av500 googles to see if the definition of "hack" changed
  • [11:48:39] <av500> ah no, its still minced meat..
  • [11:48:41] <nickjohnson> LetoThe2nd: That's the point of having a library that abstracts it away
  • [11:49:23] <LetoThe2nd> someone poking /dev/mem from python and trying to keep timing contraints in the menawhile should better not qualify other ways as "hack". but thats my $.02
  • [11:49:36] <nickjohnson> Besides, writing to simulated files with the filesystem API is a _much_ bigger hack than manipulating the registers created for the purpose
  • [11:49:54] <nickjohnson> LetoThe2nd: What timing constraints? I'm just flipping GPIO bits and maybe mux settings.
  • [11:50:14] <nickjohnson> Or are you talking about stepping intervals? In which case, see my earlier comment RE code execution speed
  • [11:50:39] <LetoThe2nd> nickjohnson: nevermind me. i have not said anything. i am not even here. *jedihandmove*
  • [11:51:23] <nickjohnson> At 2k steps per second, I have 360k clock cycles per step to work with. I think 'even' an interpreted language can manage that
  • [11:51:29] <av500> in this channel we welcome all kinds of hackery
  • [11:51:54] <nickjohnson> Admittedly context switching is a bigger concern, albeit one that's present regardless of language
  • [11:52:11] <av500> SCHED_FIFO will prevent that
  • [11:52:23] <nickjohnson> It'll certainly help, but linux isn't an RTOS :)
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  • [11:52:46] <av500> nickjohnson: as you said, many clocks per step..
  • [11:53:00] <nickjohnson> yup
  • [11:53:13] <mru> linux does not promise it won't go off and do something for a million cycles
  • [11:53:32] * nickjohnson checks what the typical timeslice size is in linux
  • [11:53:38] <mru> that's irrelevant
  • [11:53:44] <mru> it's tickless anyway
  • [11:53:53] <nickjohnson> mru: And if I were, say, sequencing an x-ray emitter for neutron therapy, that would be relevant
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  • [11:54:04] <nickjohnson> But I'm not, so I'm prepared for the slim possibility of that happening
  • [11:54:06] <mru> and even if it weren't, there's no guarantee that you'll evet a slice at all
  • [11:54:37] <aholler> python is a pretty accurate programming language
  • [11:54:46] <av500> 1+1 = 2=
  • [11:54:47] <mru> if I were building some dangerous machine, I'd use nothing more more complex than an arm9
  • [11:54:47] <av500> 1+1 = 2?
  • [11:54:56] <av500> pah, bunch of 74xx...
  • [11:55:06] <koen> nickjohnson: /dev/mem *is* a hack
  • [11:55:13] <koen> nickjohnson: nothing in userspace should be using it
  • [11:55:15] <LetoThe2nd> av500: only occaionally. sometimes it is also 1.9999994
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  • [11:55:22] <av500> thats fine
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  • [11:55:50] <nickjohnson> koen: gpio via sysfs is also a hack. What would you suggest?
  • [11:55:59] <koen> lastlog kernel
  • [11:56:07] <koen> 12:54 < koen> nickjohnson: you want a kernel module for the timing you need
  • [11:56:07] <mru> write a kernel driver, perhaps
  • [11:56:08] <koen> there
  • [11:56:20] <nickjohnson> Ever heard the phrase 'the perfect is the enemy of the good'?
  • [11:56:32] <koen> ok, you're the expert on all this
  • [11:56:35] <mru> sysfs is nice for casually playing around
  • [11:56:36] <nickjohnson> Developing a kernel module any time you want to poke at GPIO pins isn't a practical solution for most people, myself included
  • [11:56:39] <koen> we don't know what we are talking about
  • [11:56:48] <mru> we're just guessing
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  • [11:57:09] <LetoThe2nd> koen: hey, now we are two. we can join the dark side! :)
  • [11:57:20] <LetoThe2nd> koen: rumour is they have cookies....
  • [11:57:24] <nickjohnson> mru: I concur. But there's room for a category between 'casually playing around' and 'write your own kernel modules'
  • [11:57:26] <koen> LetoThe2nd: cookies!
  • [11:57:39] <av500> casually write a kernel module...
  • [11:57:50] <nickjohnson> koen: Sorry, I have something set up to filter out passive-aggressive bullshit like that.
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  • [11:59:28] <nickjohnson> Besides, isn't there anyone here who thinks writing your very much user-level code as a kernel module is _also_ a hack?
  • [12:00:28] <mru> sounds like you're sitting on a hack without proper separation of concerns
  • [12:00:34] <av500> writing a /dev/stepper might not be a hack
  • [12:00:46] <mru> hey, I've got it! put it all in systemd!
  • [12:00:52] <mru> how could that possibly go wrong?
  • [12:00:55] <av500> mru: get in the line!
  • [12:01:06] <av500> the merge queue is already booked until 2015
  • [12:01:20] <LetoThe2nd> mru: fork it and call it jedid.
  • [12:01:24] <jannau> mru: that won't help after systemd is integrated into the kernel
  • [12:01:34] <av500> jannau: other way round
  • [12:01:37] <aholler> must be /usr/stepper
  • [12:01:41] <mru> jannau: hopefully qnx will be open source by then
  • [12:02:01] <av500> once systemd becomes selfaware we are all doomed anyway
  • [12:02:20] <LetoThe2nd> hm, now the metal singer proclaims: "the dark times return..."
  • [12:03:04] * LetoThe2nd runs off for $MEETING
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  • [12:03:34] <nickjohnson> av500: Well, if you're doing constant rate stepping, you don't really need one - you can use PWM
  • [12:04:04] <nickjohnson> But I'm not stepping at a constant rate, or even at a constantly changing rate, so I don't really see a way to separate concerns without putting my fairly specific code into the module
  • [12:04:16] <av500> nickjohnson: yeah, it all depends
  • [12:04:57] <mru> LetoThe2nd: http://www.volkside.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/hold-a-meeting.gif
  • [12:05:01] <nickjohnson> (For context, I'm drawing straight lines in polar coordinates, at a constant linear velocity. If anyone knows of a better way to do that than to calculate which motors to step every timeslice, by all means let me know)
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  • [12:05:48] <av500> nickjohnson: you could give the kernel module a "render list"
  • [12:05:58] <av500> and it would notify you once it reached the end
  • [12:06:29] <nickjohnson> av500: That's a possibility, yeah. But it's putting a lot of work into the kernel's hands, that has to be done asynchronously from the process calling it
  • [12:06:56] <nickjohnson> Which means the kernel has to schedule itself for that. I wonder how that's handled?
  • [12:07:04] * nickjohnson bets it uses the same scheduler as user-space processes
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  • [12:08:50] <aholler> you don't a stepper to check how accurate your python-sw will be
  • [12:08:54] <aholler> +need
  • [12:09:11] <av500> define "accurate"
  • [12:10:17] <nickjohnson> For that matter, are there other existing GPIO kernel modules that provide a better API than sysfs? Like a device we can mmap with only the relevant fields exposed, or a sysctl type interface?
  • [12:11:06] <av500> I dont get your aversion to sysfs
  • [12:11:22] <aholler> accurate = +- 10s ;)
  • [12:12:05] <nickjohnson> av500: 1) It's a really terrible API for what comes down to bitbashing. A file handle per GPIO pin and a write operation per toggle is an enormous amount of overhead, 2) I haven't benchmarked, but I suspect it's glacially slow.
  • [12:12:40] <nickjohnson> aholler: I'm not sure I understand what you're saying
  • [12:12:45] <av500> me neither
  • [12:13:31] <phh> i think he means, you could set the gpio 10 seconds too early
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  • [12:15:10] * mru would use a uC to do the actual stepping
  • [12:15:40] <mru> from a 'render list' computed by the AP
  • [12:15:57] <koen> like the PRU?
  • [12:15:58] <nickjohnson> mru: Then you have the problem I currently have: Coordinate transforms in software floating point on an AVR are _really_ slow
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  • [12:16:11] <nickjohnson> Admittedly, they're fast enough for the stepping rate I currently need, but only barely
  • [12:16:16] <phh> nickjohnson: hence the "render list computed by the AP"
  • [12:16:19] <mru> FLOATING POINT????
  • [12:16:21] <mru> are you mad?
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  • [12:16:25] <nickjohnson> Yes, I started writing my answer before I read that
  • [12:16:32] <phh> fair enough
  • [12:16:34] <phh> and erm
  • [12:16:43] <phh> stm32f4 are also considered as uCs :D
  • [12:16:44] <mru> I also said nothing about using an avr specifically
  • [12:16:45] <nickjohnson> mru: I tried a fixed point implementation. It was actually slower, probably because their division op was less optimized than gcc's.
  • [12:16:56] <mru> you could use a cortex-m4 with fpu if you insist on using floats
  • [12:17:02] <nickjohnson> mru: No, but it's the one I used, so I can speak specifically to my experience with it
  • [12:17:21] <av500> if you have a render list, you dont need a separate uC
  • [12:17:33] <av500> a 1GHz arm can handle that just fine too
  • [12:17:47] <mru> av500: not if the non-rtos decides to not play ball
  • [12:18:08] <av500> you dont need an OS to toogle gpios
  • [12:18:11] <phh> pff, just takes an interrupt the os doesn't take with highest priority
  • [12:18:18] <av500> yep
  • [12:18:21] <av500> FIQ ftw
  • [12:18:21] <mru> you could probably get the dma controller to do most of the work, actually
  • [12:18:33] <av500> gptimer12 to FIQ
  • [12:18:34] <mru> but that might count as a hack
  • [12:18:39] <av500> a neat one
  • [12:18:50] <nickjohnson> Well, like I said, I'm not designing reactors or nuclear therapy, or anything even remotely important or dangerous. I'm prepared to take the risk that SCHED_FIFO or a low nice level will very occasionally cause glitches in the timing.
  • [12:18:59] <phh> mru: using dma, hack ? wat ?
  • [12:19:09] <av500> hack in the original sense
  • [12:19:14] <aholler> it isn't only the scheduler.
  • [12:19:19] <mru> phh: using dma transfer lists to reprogram the dma controller would be a hack
  • [12:19:35] <phh> i can't see how it would be a hack ...
  • [12:19:42] <phh> but i'll wait for av500 to define me what a hack is :p
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  • [12:20:20] <av500> my high school CS teacher defined "hacking" as banging loud on the keyboard keys - she did not like that.....
  • [12:20:30] <av500> she had no idea about CS either...
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  • [12:21:08] <mru> funny, neither did mine
  • [12:21:19] <av500> phh: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hack
  • [12:21:22] <mru> to the point she asked me to take over some classes
  • [12:21:23] <nickjohnson> av500: And yes, I could use render lists. The original reason I didn't is because I'm communicating with the AVR over bluetooth, and bandwidth can often be an issue with that. And I'm using bluetooth because I don't have room for both an MCU board and a more complex one such as the beagleboard together (yes, I could design a stepper board with onboard MCU; I'm trying to keep my count of 'parts onl
  • [12:21:23] <nickjohnson> y I will ever use' to a minimum)
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  • [12:22:09] <phh> "To program a computer in a clever, virtuosic, and wizardly manner." hack, using the dma is hacking.
  • [12:22:23] <phh> s/hack, /ok, /
  • [12:23:02] <av500> now, using the DMA to hack into another computers, that's a HACK!
  • [12:23:15] <aholler> intel does that
  • [12:23:23] <aholler> and apple
  • [12:23:53] <aholler> hackers they are ;)
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  • [12:24:37] <av500> phh: and since 1. and 3. are somewhat opposites you can call a lot of things a hack :)
  • [12:25:16] <phh> indeed
  • [12:25:25] <phh> av500: well, in all definitions, it means that it works :p
  • [12:25:32] <av500> true that
  • [12:26:21] * nickjohnson is now pondering if he should've put a very low power MCU on the stepper board and communicated over UART or I2C, though
  • [12:27:01] <phh> nickjohnson: it's possible without it, but noone dares doing so
  • [12:27:26] <nickjohnson> phh: Well, as I said, if you want constant speed (which a lot of stepper applications do), you can always use the PWM support
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  • [12:27:56] <aholler> but you will miss the start and end points
  • [12:28:06] <av500> nickjohnson: so you have a stepper controller with a "step" pin?
  • [12:28:09] <phh> nickjohnson: how do you drive your steppers ?
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  • [12:28:18] <phh> .
  • [12:28:19] <av500> but dont you need to count the steps?
  • [12:28:30] <nickjohnson> I'm using pololu's A4988 stepper boards, which have 'step' and 'dir' pins
  • [12:28:52] <GregoryGL> Can someone provide me a working angstrom build with opencv and toolchain? I made one with the online builder but can't get it to boot :(
  • [12:28:52] <phh> ok
  • [12:28:54] <av500> but then you have no microsteps.... omg
  • [12:28:56] <phh> that sounds totally weird to me
  • [12:28:58] <nickjohnson> av500: Yes. Most PWMs can be configured to stop at the end of each count, or to increment a timer, or trigger an interrupt
  • [12:29:10] <nickjohnson> av500: No, they have microstep selector pins too
  • [12:29:25] <nickjohnson> Though on the board I just sent off, they're broken out as solder jumpers, so you have to decide on microstepping level ahead of time
  • [12:30:21] <nickjohnson> phh: It's convenient. :)
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  • [12:30:30] <phh> nickjohnson: indeed
  • [12:30:54] <av500> nickjohnson: ic
  • [12:31:04] <nickjohnson> And yes, I agree, trying to control them via an H-Bridge from GPIOs, particularly with microstepping, would be insane.
  • [12:31:37] <phh> two h bridges* (at least)
  • [12:31:45] <phh> so 4 gpio outputs at least
  • [12:31:46] <phh> anyway.
  • [12:32:04] <av500> 2 gpio at least
  • [12:32:20] <phh> nickjohnson: use timers that you retrigger every time and set next time you'll have to change something ?
  • [12:32:23] <nickjohnson> yes
  • [12:32:40] <nickjohnson> phh: What's your suggestion in reference to?
  • [12:34:26] <av500> nickjohnson: since you already have stepper controllers, I dont think sysfs is so bad to start with
  • [12:34:45] <nickjohnson> av500: I still hate the overhead and ugly API of it
  • [12:34:53] <av500> nonsense
  • [12:35:08] <nickjohnson> I think it's great for poking around on the command line, but I want something better and less kludgy as an API
  • [12:35:08] <av500> overhead maybe if there is one you can measure
  • [12:35:35] <av500> for API what do you care, you write a gpio_set( int on ) call and thats it
  • [12:35:44] <nickjohnson> Measuring it is a good idea. I'll get back to you on that. ;)
  • [12:35:48] <av500> and its only 3 lines
  • [12:35:54] <nickjohnson> Well, what if I want to set more than one bit at the same time?
  • [12:36:07] <av500> if you really need same.time
  • [12:36:12] <av500> then yes, its lacking
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  • [12:37:48] <nickjohnson> Anyway
  • [12:37:49] * nickjohnson -> bed
  • [12:38:02] <nickjohnson> Thank you for your insights. Benchmarks forthcoming. :)
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  • [12:43:50] <isbric> Evning, i need some help getting my uart2 up and running on my bone.
  • [12:45:00] <isbric> im hucked up to pins 21,22 but /dev/ttyO1 doesnt get anything.
  • [12:47:14] <Crofton|work> anyone know much about disconnects on hard drives attahed top the ehci port (with a 3.0 vintage kernel)?
  • [12:48:34] <bradfa> isbric, set the pin mux correctly?
  • [12:51:32] <isbric> bradfa: i dont know how, my /sys/ tree looks different from the angstroms and i cant find anything on arch linux
  • [12:51:49] <bradfa> mount debugfs?
  • [12:52:04] <isbric> also i read that uart2 shuld be muxed by default, but that might have been on angstromg aswell.
  • [12:52:21] <bradfa> if you have debugfs mounted, you should be able to take a look-see
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  • [12:53:39] <bradfa> debugfs is kernel thing, not arch / angstrom / etc thing
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  • [12:54:53] <bradfa> cat /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/uart1*
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  • [12:57:00] <isbric> i dont have it mounted, how does one use debugfs..
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  • [12:58:27] <bradfa> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debugfs
  • [12:58:33] <av500> one poke around in it
  • [12:58:35] <av500> pokes
  • [12:58:59] <isbric> it was to easy
  • [12:59:06] <isbric> thx though
  • [12:59:20] <isbric> mount -t debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug/
  • [12:59:26] <bradfa> mount it then you can cat and echo to files in it, it makes things happen
  • [13:00:11] <isbric> are the state changes saved on reboot or do i need to do that every time i have booted?
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  • [13:00:27] <bradfa> not saved
  • [13:00:46] <bradfa> if you want it to come up with a particular mux, either rebuild the kernel with that mux or make a script to set it at boot time
  • [13:02:30] <bradfa> isbric, this might be helpful: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:K1xhzOX_l80J:www.gigamegablog.com/2012/01/22/beaglebone-coding-101-using-the-serial-and-analog-pins/
  • [13:02:40] <bradfa> google cache, site isn't responding for me
  • [13:02:54] <isbric> yeah i was there, database down
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  • [13:03:10] <isbric> thx
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  • [14:41:20] <speakman> hi folks! anyone got qt5 running om BB?
  • [14:41:24] <speakman> s/om/on/
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  • [14:46:57] <ncbas> Decided to show some pictures of his 3-D printer interface cape, using the PRUSS for step pulse generation:
  • [14:47:02] <ncbas> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/20120501dsc2172topexpl.png
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  • [14:50:16] <stuk_gen> hi all :) i'm trying to configure qt embedded with -plugin-gfx-powervr with openembedded. I change the line QT_GLFLAGS to "-opengl es2 -depths 16,24,32 -plugin-gfx-powervr" but receive error pvrqwswsegl.c:42:30: fatal error: GLES/eglplatform.h: No such file or directory
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  • [14:51:05] <stuk_gen> when i building manually the packet i have to set where graphic sdk from ti where installed...how can i set this in openembedded?
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  • [14:52:09] <av500> ncbas: driving the popolus how?
  • [14:52:15] <av500> ah, pruss
  • [14:52:17] <av500> right
  • [14:52:34] <ncbas> Yup, tested upto 60 kHz
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  • [14:54:07] <koen> ncbas: nice!
  • [14:54:07] <koen> ncbas: have you considered allowing >12V for the steppers?
  • [14:54:07] <koen> ncbas: I run my pololus at 24V, gives me more torque, less heat
  • [14:54:18] <aholler> eh, there is a big cap, that won't be usable for decades ;)
  • [14:54:53] <ncbas> Koen: Pololus have separate supply.
  • [14:55:22] <koen> ah, top right corner
  • [14:55:24] <ncbas> aholler: Nichicon long life cap
  • [14:55:53] <aholler> ncbas: was just a joke, regarding a discussion yesterday or so ;)
  • [14:56:31] <av500> aholler: I guess there is a special circuit to make the cap explode too
  • [14:56:57] <ncbas> aholler: No joke, there are no other alu or tantal capacitors present. It's a rigid design.
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  • [14:57:54] <aholler> will tantal caps expire too?
  • [14:58:23] <ncbas> aholler: mostly they explode ;-)
  • [14:58:36] <aholler> never seen such
  • [14:58:54] <LetoThe2nd> oO( big badaboom? )
  • [14:58:55] <bradfa> just don't overvolt tant caps
  • [14:59:19] <bradfa> then they less likely to xplode
  • [14:59:28] <ncbas> I have, also seen burnt traces by exploding /short circuiting tantal caps.
  • [14:59:30] <mru> much more fun to overvolt huge electrolytic caps
  • [14:59:40] * LetoThe2nd likes badaboom.
  • [14:59:48] <bradfa> for various definitions of the word 'fun' :)
  • [14:59:58] <mru> anything that goes boom
  • [15:00:07] <mru> bigger boom, more fun
  • [15:00:36] <bradfa> beagle makes little tiny boom when it dies
  • [15:00:44] <bradfa> no fun
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  • [15:01:24] * mru spent a summer working for these guys: http://www.profoto.se/
  • [15:01:29] <mru> they have large caps
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  • [15:01:53] <bradfa> photo flashes are awesom
  • [15:02:14] <LetoThe2nd> mru: hehe. kaboom.
  • [15:02:23] <mru> when those caps accidentally discharged into the control board, the results were interesting
  • [15:02:34] <bradfa> what kind of voltage on those flash controllers use?
  • [15:02:34] <LetoThe2nd> s/interesting/entertaining/
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  • [15:02:46] <koen> ncbas: what's your plan for building more boards?
  • [15:02:46] <mru> bradfa: those run at 1kV
  • [15:02:51] <bradfa> yey!
  • [15:03:11] <mru> 2.4kJ per discharge
  • [15:03:24] <bradfa> joules are such an odd unit, no one has any idea how much one is
  • [15:03:31] <mru> which takes a few milliseconds
  • [15:05:28] <ncbas> koen: I've just ordered a new batch of pcb's. Using two of the shown bords myself, porting the software right now.
  • [15:05:37] <av500> bradfa: about one BigMac
  • [15:05:54] <bradfa> av500, from US or EU? :)
  • [15:06:09] <koen> ncbas: did you do any work on teacup?
  • [15:06:13] <av500> US it seems
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  • [15:07:10] <ncbas> koen: yeah, used it with my printer in the past. Too hard to change the software to my requirements. And then I saw the BeagleBone...
  • [15:07:26] <koen> ncbas: ok, so you're the same Bas :)
  • [15:07:37] <ncbas> koen: Ja!
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  • [15:18:47] <koen> ncbas: any fancy things like coordinated acceleration planned?
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  • [15:20:10] <ncbas> koen: Just normal ramping (fixed accel and decel up to now). It that what you're referring to?
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  • [15:22:45] <Crofton|work> I'm impressed koen knows about that :)
  • [15:23:44] <mru> he's probably just name dropping
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  • [15:27:49] <koen> ncbas: matching the accel with the extruder axis
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  • [15:31:34] <ncbas> koen: IIR that's already the case.
  • [15:31:46] <mru> spotify decided to play 'the idiots are taking over', is it trying to tell me something?
  • [15:32:26] <aholler> they are years behind
  • [15:33:18] <mru> and now it's playing 'I fought the law'
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  • [15:34:10] <aholler> afterwards they play "the ph0rum song"
  • [15:36:05] <av500> dont forget the "firefox anthem"
  • [15:36:52] <aholler> and the "web2zero opera"
  • [15:38:29] <av500> https://firefoxflicks.mozilla.org/en-US/video/589
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  • [16:10:31] <av500> mru: what about a gpiod that python apps talk to via dbus?
  • [16:10:54] <koen> don't forget systemd
  • [16:11:08] <mru> we already had that
  • [16:11:10] <av500> well, it will be merged into it eventually
  • [16:13:00] <serekson> I am trying to apply enable SPI using OE using the patch here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/SPI as reference. But I don't understand how to apply the patch
  • [16:13:47] <av500> serekson: can you recompile the kernel?
  • [16:14:04] <serekson> yeah, that works fine
  • [16:14:56] <av500> you apply pathces with "patch"
  • [16:15:02] <av500> man patch
  • [16:15:09] <mru> really, not with git am?
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  • [16:16:31] <serekson> if I use patch then how does git know what i have done?
  • [16:16:53] <Russ> git status
  • [16:17:44] <serekson> so then if I git -rebase it will try and merge my changes with the updated main repository?
  • [16:18:49] <serekson> and should I branch before I apply the patch?
  • [16:22:54] <Russ> I don't know the context, but its usually best to work on a branch
  • [16:22:57] <av500> patch is one thing, a git commit another one
  • [16:23:25] <av500> and yes, rebase will replay your commit on top of the updated main repository
  • [16:23:59] <av500> serekson: patch only modifies the file contents, same as vi does
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  • [16:29:59] <serekson> so fi I patch and/or modify the appropriate files in the build/tmp-Anstrom directory and then do "bitbake virtual/kernel" they will be incorporated into the new kernel image?
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  • [16:32:39] <av500> serekson: with angstrom its more difficult
  • [16:32:52] <av500> google "angstrom kernel workflow"
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  • [16:33:45] <mdp> favorite e2e thread of the week: http://e2e.ti.com/support/embedded/linux/f/354/p/186504/672485.aspx#672485
  • [16:34:44] <Sgarr> serekson: http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/ <???I found this helpful, probably what av500's search will lead you to
  • [16:35:11] <Russ> mdp, hey, cool, now there doesn't need to be any new threads
  • [16:35:24] <mdp> Russ, we can only hope
  • [16:35:26] <av500> Sgarr: correct
  • [16:36:19] <mdp> Russ, I like the slight implication in the one post that maybe ajay could write his driver for him since he has a tight schedule
  • [16:36:57] <av500> mdp: I think Ajay should write drivers for everybody!
  • [16:37:10] <mdp> more drivers for you!
  • [16:38:08] <mranostay> koen: nice g+ post
  • [16:39:18] <nemik> hello, so according to http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM35x_EMAC/MDIO_Module the beaglebone's main IC can't even really support gigabit rates, correct?
  • [16:40:38] <nemik> reason i'm asking is i want to build a 'router-like' platform with the Beaglebone with a WAN RJ45 port and a LAN 4-port switch, so trying to figure out how to go about doing that while possible supporting gigabit rates from the LANs to the WAN
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  • [16:41:20] <mru> why would you use a beaglebone for that?
  • [16:41:37] <mru> if you want to build a router, go get a board meant for that
  • [16:41:49] <av500> last time I checked, the bone CPU did not have a 4 port LAN interface....
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  • [16:42:08] <av500> but maybe one call will one into existence
  • [16:42:34] <nemik> mru: i want the CPU and PRU in the beaglebone but need to support ethernet-connected 'clients'
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  • [16:42:46] <av500> buy a $15 switch
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  • [16:43:32] <nemik> i can't do WAN and LAN simultaneously from a $15 switch
  • [16:43:58] <mru> then get a proper router system
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  • [16:44:48] <nemik> this is custom hardware we're trying to fit into one board so space is a consideration
  • [16:45:05] <mru> well, the bone can't do what you want
  • [16:45:10] <nemik> yea i know that
  • [16:45:11] <mru> so you have to find something else
  • [16:45:23] <nemik> but the AM35x chip on it can, that's what i'm asking about
  • [16:45:30] <av500> can what?
  • [16:45:40] <mru> where does it have a 4-port ethernet interface?
  • [16:45:52] <av500> add on over USB
  • [16:45:57] <mru> ugh
  • [16:46:10] <Russ> it does can
  • [16:46:12] <av500> but then you dont need gigabit any more :)
  • [16:46:24] <nemik> it supports two GMII/RMII interfaces, right? so one could be to a WAN regular PHY chip and the other to a LAN switch, no?
  • [16:46:31] <mru> Russ: it can can?
  • [16:46:55] <Russ> I don't know how to respond to that with any more can
  • [16:46:56] <mdp> no can do
  • [16:47:10] <nemik> no, can do
  • [16:48:02] <nemik> alright, so i take it no one has experience with adding a second ethernet interface to the Bone or AM35x?
  • [16:48:58] <mdp> nemik, yes, you could do that???been done many times on other parts
  • [16:49:37] <mdp> s/AM35x/AM335x/
  • [16:50:16] <nemik> ah so the AM335x would be more appropriate for that than BeagleBone's AM35x?
  • [16:50:21] <av500> wasnt there some issue with the gbit ports not doing gbit actually?
  • [16:50:32] <mdp> BeagleBone has AM335x on board
  • [16:50:32] <LetoThe2nd> av500: there was.
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  • [16:50:46] <nemik> shit, that's right. i'm all mixed up here, sorry
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  • [16:51:09] <nemik> av500: ah so it won't really work?
  • [16:51:11] <mdp> av500, on the early evm
  • [16:51:30] <nemik> was it a problem with the chip or just layout of the board?
  • [16:51:44] <mdp> layout
  • [16:51:52] <nemik> ah ok, thanks mdp
  • [16:52:54] <Mojito> Later revisions fixed that
  • [16:53:39] <nemik> ah i think that's why BeagleBone used the MII instead of the RMII interface too, because it needs a faster clock and the board layout wasn't cooperating
  • [16:53:52] <nemik> s/it/RMII
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  • [17:22:30] <aravind> Hi
  • [17:22:59] <aravind> I'm trying to connect a pico projector to my beagle bone ...can anyone help me ?.
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  • [17:34:49] <mranostay> aravind: less vague please
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  • [17:45:11] <jsabeaudry> news about the zombie beaglebone: A timing issue during the communication with my fpga cause me to read invalid data and do a AB-sync dma with a negative CIDX thus overwriting kernel memory, all is under control now.
  • [17:47:24] <djlewis> He was in the right place, but it must have been the wrong time... Sing along ;)
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  • [17:59:11] <mdp> my head is in a bad place, but I'm having such good time...
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  • [18:31:14] <isbric> anyone know what to make out of this: zd1211rw 1-1:1.0: error ioread32(CR_REG1): -19
  • [18:31:35] <isbric> bone on external power, works just fine on usb power.
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  • [18:57:02] <CanyonMan> I am getting a TON of these 'babble' error messages from musb and it is making me want to cry
  • [18:57:09] <CanyonMan> the thign that's weird is it seems to be at exactly a 22 second interval
  • [18:57:13] <CanyonMan> What the hell is that about?
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  • [19:02:02] <mdp> usb guy says that's a h/w bug
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  • [19:09:46] <mru> gptimer22?
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  • [19:11:14] <mranostay> heh musb strikes again
  • [19:12:25] <mru> hasn't it had its 3 strikes yet?
  • [19:12:46] <ogra_> sysctl -e kernel.printk=0
  • [19:12:47] <ogra_> ;)
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  • [19:13:35] <mru> that is an ubuntu-style fix
  • [19:13:50] <ogra_> heh
  • [19:14:02] <ogra_> at least it keeps your logs small
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  • [19:16:46] <isbric> http://pastebin.com/ThkMqSTn
  • [19:17:13] <isbric> i dont even know where to start :(
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  • [19:27:30] <mdp> s/usb guy/usb sw guy/
  • [19:29:52] <koen> rumour has it that the babble is a hw problem
  • [19:29:59] <koen> but the jury is still out on that one
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  • [19:31:57] <_av500_> out drinking to forget
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  • [19:34:09] <koen> av500, mru: what's the plan for linuxtag?
  • [19:34:19] <_av500_> none yet here
  • [19:34:41] <_av500_> I might pop in for one day
  • [19:34:55] * mru will be there
  • [19:34:59] <mru> same hotel as last year
  • [19:36:08] <koen> the russian one?
  • [19:37:35] <mru> abendstern
  • [19:37:39] <mru> yeah, the russian one
  • [19:37:49] <mru> cheap and clean enough to sleep in
  • [19:38:01] <mru> and close to the s/u-bahn
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  • [19:42:36] <CanyonMan> mdp: does the h/w bug = 22 seconds?
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  • [19:44:53] <spacecolonyone> hey guys any advice on boot faliure with the xMrevC after opkg update/upgrade.
  • [19:45:16] <_av500_> dont opkg upgrade
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  • [19:46:21] <spacecolonyone> I'd just rebuilt a clean task-base-extended with bb and upgraded. looks like the upgrade tried moving me from 3.0.28->3.2.16 (which excites me) but without booting love.
  • [19:46:29] <_av500_> otherwise, pastebin boot logs etc..
  • [19:46:30] <mdp> CanyonMan: noise on the lines is what a babble interrupt is
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  • [19:47:25] <spacecolonyone> kk av500 in a few, caffeine first
  • [19:48:16] <damian0815> hey guys
  • [19:48:19] <CanyonMan> huh.
  • [19:48:25] <CanyonMan> This is a usb cell card modem
  • [19:48:28] <CanyonMan> it doesn't even have a cable
  • [19:48:30] <CanyonMan> it plugs right into the bone
  • [19:48:41] <mdp> CanyonMan: mmm hmmm???.
  • [19:48:44] <CanyonMan> I noticed that the 5V and 3.3V are fairly noisy
  • [19:48:49] <mdp> it has traces
  • [19:48:59] <mdp> and so does the bone
  • [19:49:01] <CanyonMan> I wonder if cleaning those up some would help
  • [19:49:16] <mdp> ask on the list, see what gerald says
  • [19:50:00] <mdp> fwiw, jkridner already raised another babble related issue internally???more issues on the list might generate some concern
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  • [19:50:28] <isbric> CanyonMan: clening them up with somthing like a 1uf capacitor?
  • [19:50:37] <CanyonMan> yeah
  • [19:50:54] <isbric> let me know if you get some results.
  • [19:51:00] <CanyonMan> k
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  • [19:55:02] <tasslehoff> koen: fyi: ogre still works fine in the 2011.03 maintenance branch of oe-classic. I just messed things up every way I could :p
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  • [19:57:54] <damian0815> hey, does anyone if the beagle/omap3 i2c interface supports dma?
  • [19:58:28] <damian0815> ^ anyone know if
  • [19:58:41] <prpplague> damian0815: do you really need dma to transfer at 100KHz?
  • [19:58:55] <prpplague> or even at 400Khz?
  • [19:59:03] <damian0815> no, but i don't really know what i'm doing so i'm trying to probe all the options ;-)
  • [19:59:25] <prpplague> damian0815: use what works first, then if there is a problem start looking at buzz words
  • [20:00:47] <damian0815> well, there's a problem. i need to read 8 12-bit DAC inputs and make them available to an audio DSP chain running on the CPU. i want a fresh DAC input reading for every audio buffer processed, ie (44100/64) reads per second
  • [20:01:04] <damian0815> i'm struggling with synchronization.
  • [20:01:16] <prpplague> damian0815: and you want to do this over i2c?
  • [20:01:34] <damian0815> not necessarily. but the DACs i've been testing so far have been i2c dacs.
  • [20:01:40] <Russ> damian0815, didn't I already do the math for you
  • [20:01:53] <Russ> damian0815, and wasn't it already explained that i2c is the control interface?
  • [20:02:02] <damian0815> Russ: i'm sorry?
  • [20:02:18] <spacecolonyone> _av500_: http://pastebin.com/mfm0K4Vn
  • [20:02:25] * prpplague sees this has already been discussed and goes back to work
  • [20:02:37] <damian0815> Russ: are you saying that i2c is not intended for use as a data transfer bus?
  • [20:03:14] <damian0815> apologies for not already knowing stuff!
  • [20:03:18] <damian0815> :-(
  • [20:04:07] <tasslehoff> normally you setup stuff by writing registers over i2c, and cool audio data starts flowing on some other pins from the dac
  • [20:04:22] <damian0815> i'm not reading audio data
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  • [20:04:42] <damian0815> it's control voltage inputs from LFOs.
  • [20:04:56] <damian0815> only needs to be read at 1000hz or so.
  • [20:05:34] <spacecolonyone> as a side: I don't understand how u-boot now knows to go get the kernel image at /boot/uImage on the ext3 partition instead of using the one in boot partition. Was there a behind-the-scenes change in where u-boot looks over the past few months?
  • [20:05:39] <Russ> damian0815, did you actually read the datasheet for your dac?
  • [20:05:46] <damian0815> Russ: yes i did.
  • [20:05:49] <Russ> what dac?
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  • [20:06:18] * tasslehoff worked with audio before, and his mind is hardwired to think audio samples when he hears about a dac
  • [20:06:47] <damian0815> max11614
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  • [20:07:20] <damian0815> 8ch 12bit i2c
  • [20:07:41] <damian0815> to be clear:
  • [20:08:09] <Russ> ok, so that one isn't like an audio dac
  • [20:08:13] <Russ> the data interface is i2c
  • [20:08:20] <damian0815> Russ: yes, i know.
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  • [20:08:23] <mdp> thx for posting CanyonMan
  • [20:08:36] <damian0815> Russ: 'wasn't it already explained' :-P
  • [20:08:48] <Russ> you want 44.1k reads per second?
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  • [20:09:00] <damian0815> no, i want 1k reads per second, for each channel
  • [20:09:01] <CanyonMan> mdp: I'm not really even sure that adding more caps is going to help in any way. I'm going to go tell my guy working on this to try an extension though and get the radio far away from the bone and see if that helps him.
  • [20:09:08] <agmlego> Why are we reading a DAC?
  • [20:09:10] <damian0815> + there'll be a similar adc with 8 outs
  • [20:09:21] <damian0815> we are making an analog modular synth module
  • [20:09:30] <agmlego> OK, but a DAC is an output device.
  • [20:09:34] <agmlego> No reason to read it.
  • [20:09:42] <agmlego> And an ADC is an input device.
  • [20:09:52] <damian0815> right yes sorry. adc/dac .
  • [20:09:53] <agmlego> YOu read an ADC, you write to a DAC.
  • [20:09:58] <damian0815> i swapped them over by mistake
  • [20:09:58] <Russ> you you want to read from 8 devices?
  • [20:10:19] <damian0815> i want 8 control voltage inputs, and i want 8 control voltage outputs
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  • [20:10:44] <Russ> so you want to read from 8 devices, and write to 8 devices
  • [20:10:50] <damian0815> yes
  • [20:10:52] <Russ> so 16k updates per sec
  • [20:11:04] <damian0815> if that's achievable, yes
  • [20:11:18] <agmlego> I2C can run at 100kHz or 400kHz.
  • [20:11:32] <damian0815> i've set the i2c bus to 400khz
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  • [20:11:36] <agmlego> Which is also the datarate in bits per second, including packet overhead.
  • [20:11:40] <damian0815> the issue is not i2c bus bandwidth
  • [20:11:48] <agmlego> So what is the issue?
  • [20:12:06] <damian0815> synchronizing the DAC process loop to the ADC inputs
  • [20:12:06] <Russ> you want a 16 bit number from/to each one?
  • [20:12:16] <damian0815> Russ: yes
  • [20:12:29] <Russ> 16 * 16 * 1000 / 256k
  • [20:12:36] <Russ> hold on, address
  • [20:12:37] <damian0815> i'm happy to drop down to 4 in/ 4 out
  • [20:12:50] <Russ> 384,000
  • [20:12:58] <Russ> hold on, start, stop, ack
  • [20:13:19] <Russ> 448,000 bits per second
  • [20:14:04] <damian0815> ??i'm happy to drop down to 4 in / 4 out and do the updates at 500hz or even 200 hz
  • [20:14:12] <damian0815> but this isn't really the issue
  • [20:14:21] <Russ> have you considered using one of the other serial buses for the data?
  • [20:14:39] <agmlego> SPI, or putting the two devices on different I2C busses.
  • [20:14:50] <agmlego> There are multiple I2C busses.
  • [20:15:04] <Russ> then what is the issue
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  • [20:15:56] <damian0815> synchronisation. at the moment i'm using ioctl with a loop in userspace
  • [20:16:08] <agmlego> Synchronisation how?
  • [20:16:23] <agmlego> You want a packet in to trigger a packet out, or something like that?
  • [20:16:37] <jsabeaudry> damian0815, use a simultaneous sampling ADC if you want to have stuff synchronized (MAX11046 for example)
  • [20:16:45] <Russ> oh wait, hold on, let me factor in the possible clock stretch
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  • [20:16:52] <Russ> 8.3uS * 16 * 1000
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  • [20:17:12] <mdp> damian0815: fwiw, omap3 i2c supports dma, but the linux driver doesn't bother
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  • [20:17:28] <Russ> so clock stretch adds another 132.8ms per second
  • [20:17:51] <agmlego> Russ: Who says the clock is being stretched?
  • [20:17:55] <agmlego> And by how much?
  • [20:17:56] <mdp> CanyonMan: yeah, I can't comment further..just passing along info..I've never used usb on Bone before, not interested in it
  • [20:18:04] <damian0815> agmlego: ok, so the DSP chain processes 64-frame audio chunks, but it processes them asynchronously. i was thinking of having a kernel module that filled a buffer once every 1ms (or 2ms, depending on bandwidth), and then allow the DSP access to this buffer via shared memory as it needed to.
  • [20:18:11] <agmlego> Russ: I think you are derailing the discussion here, to be honest.
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  • [20:18:23] <agmlego> damian0815: OK...
  • [20:18:26] <damian0815> but obviously i don't want to be polling/sleeping in a kernel module. hence the idea of DMA. perhaps i don't understand it, but i was just looking for some pointers.
  • [20:18:57] <agmlego> damian0815: Ah, I see. Sleeping should work fine in the kernel--that is how a lot of daemons run, works fine.
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  • [20:19:16] <Russ> damian0815, i2c does its work for you and then gives an interrupt when it's done
  • [20:20:05] <damian0815> agmlego: the regularity is the important thing here. i want the ADC samples to be taken in sync with real-world time, i was assuming i'd have to manage that from the module itself.
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  • [20:20:52] <agmlego> damian0815: That may be, or use the RTC on the board and use the ALARM signal on Linux to get super-precise timing.
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  • [20:21:14] <agmlego> damian0815: Or if it is *really* critical, write the daemon as a realtime task and use the realtime extensions to the kernel.
  • [20:21:18] <damian0815> if it helps, the overview is to build a module that will sit in a modular analog synthesis setup, that accepts control voltage signals from external (analog) LFOs and processes audio in-sync in realtime.
  • [20:21:24] <Russ> damian0815, have you instrumented the omap i2c driver yet?
  • [20:21:32] <damian0815> ALARM signal. thanks.
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  • [20:22:03] <damian0815> Russ: yes i have. works fine reading only one ADC channel, has a habit of annihilating the sound driver on buffer underrun.
  • [20:22:14] <damian0815> esp. with a usb wlan device.
  • [20:22:31] <Russ> "annihilating"?
  • [20:22:38] <damian0815> yeah. audio just stops.
  • [20:22:56] <Russ> you don't need to instrument every xfer
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  • [20:23:08] <Russ> just have it do every few thousand
  • [20:23:14] <damian0815> what does 'instrument' mean in this context?
  • [20:23:26] <Russ> printk with timing information
  • [20:23:29] <agmlego> I am confused about that myself.
  • [20:23:42] <damian0815> err, i'm not printking anything
  • [20:23:43] <Russ> he seems to be very concerned with variable latency
  • [20:23:55] <Russ> then have have you instrumented the omap i2c driver?
  • [20:24:15] <damian0815> i don't understand your question, i'm sorry.
  • [20:24:34] <agmlego> damian0815: I think Russ means by "instrumenting the driver", have you done timing analysis of the driver?
  • [20:24:54] <agmlego> As in, have you attempted to figure out where the latencies you are having issues with are coming from?
  • [20:24:58] <damian0815> agmlego: thanks for the clarification. no i haven't.
  • [20:25:00] <Russ> you seem very concerned about timing, but you haven't really said what your timing requirements or problems are
  • [20:25:11] <Russ> just vague statements
  • [20:25:18] <agmlego> damian0815: Then how do you know you have a solvable timing issue?
  • [20:25:24] <agmlego> Or one at all?
  • [20:25:32] <Russ> "in sync with real-world time" isn't something that can be met
  • [20:25:41] <Russ> you will always have jitter
  • [20:26:00] <agmlego> Russ: You can get pretty close with either a signal-edge trigger, or an RTC.
  • [20:26:12] <agmlego> Depending on what "real-world time" means.
  • [20:26:14] <Russ> yahoo, I got it within a second, I'm done!
  • [20:26:21] <Russ> or did you want femtoseconds?
  • [20:26:30] <Russ> you need a jitter and latency budget
  • [20:27:00] <damian0815> by 'in sync with real world' i meant 'sampled at regular intervals'
  • [20:27:12] <Russ> again, meaningless
  • [20:27:18] <Russ> what is "regular"
  • [20:27:19] <agmlego> So, not actually in sync with real-world time at all.
  • [20:27:34] <agmlego> Just sampled at the same time interval.
  • [20:27:38] <Russ> "regular" is a measure of your jitter
  • [20:27:46] <agmlego> Use the RTC, and the ALARM signal.
  • [20:27:47] <Russ> and "sampled" is a measure of your latency
  • [20:28:01] <Russ> agmlego, why the hell would you use RTC and ALARM?
  • [20:28:06] <Russ> why not just clock_gettime
  • [20:28:23] <agmlego> Russ: Because that has to use a busy loop.
  • [20:28:29] <Russ> damian0815, if each sample jitters by 500ms, is that regular enough?
  • [20:28:39] <agmlego> The ALARM signal is a timer interrupt, far more accurate.
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  • [20:28:56] <damian0815> Russ: no, 10ms is the max jitter
  • [20:28:58] <agmlego> And it means the daemon can be idle, off CPU while waiting.
  • [20:29:01] <Russ> agmlego, it isn't a timer interrupt, its just a signal
  • [20:29:09] <Russ> damian0815, hooray, we have a jitter budget
  • [20:29:22] <Russ> damian0815, is that end to end?
  • [20:29:26] <agmlego> Russ: Sorry, I accidentally a word. The word "like" should be in there.
  • [20:29:45] <agmlego> As min, the signal can be used *like* a timer interrupt.
  • [20:29:56] <Russ> agmlego, the kernel is pretty free to add a lot of jitter to that
  • [20:30:08] <agmlego> Russ: Not as much as 10ms though.
  • [20:30:10] <Russ> the man page lists the time as a minimum, nothing about the maximum
  • [20:30:15] <agmlego> And especially not with the RT extensions.
  • [20:30:32] <agmlego> And I am talking about personal experience here on several projects.
  • [20:30:55] <Russ> I think you'd get the same thing out of select and you wouldn't need signals
  • [20:31:00] <damian0815> Russ: 'end to end' i'm going to assume that 'yes' is the correct answer to that question.
  • [20:31:19] <agmlego> Russ: "select"?
  • [20:31:31] <Russ> or poll, or pselect
  • [20:31:50] <agmlego> Sure, Tim Toady always shows up.
  • [20:32:09] <agmlego> Was I supposed to enumerate a comprehensive list of ways to accomplish this?
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  • [20:33:52] <Russ> signals are no fun
  • [20:33:57] <Russ> select is much much easier
  • [20:34:08] <agmlego> If you say so. ;-P
  • [20:34:10] <damian0815> ok thanks for the pointers folks... i'm going to go research the ALARM timer and see if i can get something out of that.
  • [20:34:15] <mru> Russ: epoll!
  • [20:34:18] <Russ> course nanosleep is even easier
  • [20:34:22] * agmlego deals with low-level stuff, and so signals are second nature.
  • [20:34:30] <agmlego> damian0815: ALARm *signal*
  • [20:34:39] <mru> SIGIRQ
  • [20:34:51] <jsabeaudry> Russ, won't sleep induce drift?
  • [20:34:52] <damian0815> agmlego: right you are. thanks.
  • [20:35:01] <Russ> or clock_nanosleep
  • [20:35:05] <mru> jsabeaudry: yes, it will
  • [20:35:46] <Russ> ah, maybe timer_create() then
  • [20:35:55] <mru> clock_nanosleep can sleep until an absolute time
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  • [20:36:13] <mru> as can sem_timedwait
  • [20:36:25] <mru> which is usually available even if clock_nanosleep is not
  • [20:36:29] <Russ> just make sure you aren't letting the kernel add slack
  • [20:37:03] <mru> if you increment an absolute time in fixed steps, you're good
  • [20:37:13] <mru> you might get some jitter but no drift
  • [20:37:46] <mru> you should guard against over-sleeping by a full period or more though
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  • [20:44:10] <spacecolonyone> guys any ideas why I wouldn't be seening the linux 3.2 kernel recipe in my sources despite being up to date with oebb.sh
  • [20:46:04] <spacecolonyone> could this be a branch issue of some sort? the changes look pretty recent (5 days) OTOH there is already a 3.2.16 package in the repository
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  • [20:57:47] <jsabeaudry> while (time_before(jiffies, j1)) { schedule(); } with a decent CONFIG_HZ and no dynamitc ticks would be very simple to get under 10ms jitter
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  • [21:00:14] <mru> unless something with higher priority gets in your way
  • [21:00:59] <Russ> jsabeaudry, that's only good for kernel anyway
  • [21:01:23] <mru> and there's always gptimer12 and fiq
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  • [21:04:10] <aleek> le fu! u-boot doesnt implement tftp command :<
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  • [21:06:15] <Russ> ?
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  • [21:07:36] <aleek> Im used to load kernel images via tftp while developing - Ive just found out, bb-xm's uboot doesnt provide tftp command :(
  • [21:08:04] <Russ> I use it all the time
  • [21:08:12] <Russ> maybe download a newer u-boot version for xm?
  • [21:08:20] <aleek> maybe :>
  • [21:08:24] <prpplague> or turn on the compile flag
  • [21:09:01] <aleek> prpplague: ?
  • [21:09:12] <Russ> aleek, did you build your own u-boot?
  • [21:09:25] <aleek> not yet, board just arrived to me
  • [21:09:29] <prpplague> aleek: network commands such as the tftp can be enabled or disabled depending on your configuration
  • [21:09:45] <Russ> aleek, then download a newer pre-build binary
  • [21:09:54] <aleek> ok ok :)
  • [21:10:10] <Russ> it just goes on the mmc card
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  • [21:21:00] <aleek> uboot for -xM is the same as for regular bb?
  • [21:21:28] <mru> can be
  • [21:21:43] <mru> if it's a recent build, it should work on either
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  • [21:25:01] * xxiao is watching tizen live stream
  • [21:25:52] <spacecolonyone> Any advice on double checking that I am indeed hanging at Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
  • [21:26:26] <aleek> spacecolonyone: what power do you use?
  • [21:26:29] <aleek> usb?
  • [21:26:40] <spacecolonyone> Heartbeat LED doesn't and I've got console=ttyO2,115200n8
  • [21:26:46] <spacecolonyone> nah, DC adapter
  • [21:26:59] <spacecolonyone> xMrevC btw
  • [21:27:30] <aleek> Ibe read, that otg can hang or panic linux, as it give less power than it needs
  • [21:27:33] <aleek> Ive*
  • [21:27:37] <spacecolonyone> this started right after opkg upgrade on a clean task-base-extended build
  • [21:28:04] <spacecolonyone> I'll keep that in mind
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  • [21:28:57] <aleek> its interesing that all in all 30% of my boots went well
  • [21:29:04] <aleek> by powering via usb
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  • [21:35:12] <spacecolonyone> well I think it is safe to say it really is hanging, simply changing the symlink from uImage-3.2.16 back to 3.0.28 and the boot ran normally
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  • [21:36:00] <spacecolonyone> well, barring any issues one would expect booting to a 3.0.28 kernel after upgrading with opkg to 3.2.16 (which I can't weigh in on)
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  • [21:39:10] <xxiao> will angstrom do hob someday
  • [21:42:44] <mdp> spacecolonyone: did I understand correctly? 3.0.28 boots consistently and 3.2.16 doesn't?
  • [21:44:06] <spacecolonyone> yes
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  • [21:44:40] <spacecolonyone> to be more specific: 3.2.16 has not ever booted past Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
  • [21:46:25] <spacecolonyone> I've been doing everything in bitbake, then opkg update/upgrade once I'm up running
  • [21:47:28] <spacecolonyone> this last time it pulled down the 3.2.16 kernel and then no more booting until I changed the symlink back to 3.0.28
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  • [21:50:22] <aleek> btw, why hdmi cable cannot be plugged while bb is on?
  • [21:51:15] <spacecolonyone> aleek: I've wondered that as well. I can say with some experience that plug/unplug with it on at least a few times has yet to do any damage
  • [21:52:12] <aleek> maybe it is because hdmi plug on thee board is not grounded
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  • [21:57:40] <movax> how is pin 19 configured?
  • [21:57:44] <movax> (on HDMI)
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  • [22:03:07] <serekson> when I do "bitbake virtual/kernel" the tarball only has the lib directory in it is this correct?
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  • [22:16:26] <spacecolonyone> mdp: Don't tease me, what are you thinking?
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  • [22:18:49] <Russ> spacecolonyone, turn on the PHYS_VIRT thing
  • [22:18:53] <Russ> (in kernel config)
  • [22:20:35] <spacecolonyone> Russ: I'm not familiar with that, is there a command line arg or do I need to reconfigure/rebuild?
  • [22:21:38] <spacecolonyone> If it is the latter, then I'll first need to figure out how to get bitbake to do the 3.2.16 kernel instead of 3.0.16
  • [22:21:39] <Russ> make sure your kernel is configured with CONFIG_ARM_PATCH_PHYS_VIRT=y
  • [22:22:30] <spacecolonyone> How do I check that when I pulled the kernel from the angsrtom repo with opkg
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  • [22:31:22] <serekson> does "bitbake virtual/kernel" only provide you with the /lib directory and the uImage?
  • [22:34:04] <spacecolonyone> Russ: I really have no clue how to tell what this particular kernel build config was I got with opkg. That said, I think I found the defconfig that may have been used in building in the repo referenced by koen at www.mail-archive.com/meta-ti@yoctoproject.org/msg00317.html
  • [22:34:30] <spacecolonyone> at least in that defconfig CONFIG_ARM_PATCH_PHYS_VIRT=y
  • [22:34:33] <spacecolonyone> is set
  • [22:35:03] <Russ> if you do get it to boot, you can zcat /proc/config.gz | grep PHYS_VIRT
  • [22:35:54] <spacecolonyone> thanks, I'll remember that. I'm not even sure how to approach diagnosing why it won't boot, though.
  • [22:36:05] <Russ> did you say it boots sometimes?
  • [22:36:58] <spacecolonyone> I figure I've got other fish to fry so I'll table it for now. I figure this is just too close to the bleeding edge.
  • [22:37:01] <spacecolonyone> No
  • [22:37:03] <spacecolonyone> never boots
  • [22:37:10] <spacecolonyone> not with 3.2
  • [22:37:37] <spacecolonyone> hangs at Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel. No heartbeat LED either
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  • [22:38:51] <spacecolonyone> I'm just happy that the python haslib patch got incorporated into the appropriate repo and it was magically fixed in this recent bitbake build I did.
  • [22:39:08] <spacecolonyone> now I've actaully got ipython running
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  • [22:40:26] <spacecolonyone> if only I could get the USB ethernet adapter to come up automatically. that has continued to stump me for a few months of on and off work
  • [22:41:18] <spacecolonyone> I'm probably going to end up writing an simply script that runs after bootup that simply executes ifup eth1 for me
  • [22:44:17] <Russ> auto usb0
  • [22:44:21] <Russ> allow-hotplug usb0
  • [22:44:31] <Russ> iface usb0 inet dhcp
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  • [22:46:05] <spacecolonyone> auto eth1
  • [22:46:14] <spacecolonyone> iface eth1 inet dhcp
  • [22:46:23] <Russ> the allow-hotplug is the one that you are missing
  • [22:46:35] <spacecolonyone> in interfaces?
  • [22:47:14] * spacecolonyone tries it
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  • [22:48:24] <Russ> yes
  • [22:48:45] <Jetro> I'm a newbie to beaglebone and trying to load DEbian Squeeze on it but running in Fdisk issue
  • [22:49:19] <spacecolonyone> misplaced- option allow-hotplug
  • [22:49:29] <Jetro> Here's the error message "Sorry, this script currently doesn't work with GNU Fdisk"
  • [22:50:09] <Jetro> So add in the script "sudo ./mk_mmc.sh --mmc /dev/sdd --uboot bone --distro squeeze"? Thanks
  • [22:50:49] <Russ> spacecolonyone, where did you put it?
  • [22:51:19] <spacecolonyone> it's own line, between auto eth1 and iface eth1 ...
  • [22:51:27] <Russ> that's where I put mine
  • [22:51:39] <Russ> and you put a 'allow-hotplug eth1', right?
  • [22:51:53] <spacecolonyone> oddly if I comment out auto eth1 ifup eth1 works again
  • [22:52:11] <spacecolonyone> without the '', yes
  • [22:52:22] <spacecolonyone> sadly still isn't automatic
  • [22:53:28] <Russ> I needed both the auto and allow-hotplug for the usb network adapter attached to my server
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  • [22:56:30] <spacecolonyone> I just double checked, 'auto eth1' XOR 'allow-hotplug eth1' and 'ifup eth1' works
  • [22:56:35] <spacecolonyone> not both
  • [22:56:57] <Russ> hu
  • [22:56:58] <Russ> h
  • [22:56:59] <spacecolonyone> but neither causes it to come up and request an IP at boot
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  • [22:57:46] <spacecolonyone> nor does allow-hotplug cause it to request one after booting if I pull the adapter and reinsert
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  • [22:59:31] <Russ> /lib/udev/net.agent is the start of the chain
  • [22:59:56] <Russ> it should eventually call 'exec ifup --allow=hotplug $INTERFACE'
  • [22:59:59] <Russ> is lo up?
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  • [23:00:41] <spacecolonyone> yea
  • [23:00:46] <spacecolonyone> lo is up
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  • [23:01:14] <spacecolonyone> eth0 (the onboard ethernet) doesn't come up automatically either
  • [23:01:21] <Russ> what happens if you do ifup --allow=hotplug eth1?
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  • [23:02:06] <spacecolonyone> there is no /lib/udev/net.agent
  • [23:02:59] <Russ> /sbin/udevd --version?
  • [23:03:33] <spacecolonyone> Russ that causes busybox to gripe about an unrecognized option
  • [23:03:56] <spacecolonyone> no such file
  • [23:04:40] <spacecolonyone> found it in lib/udev/udevd
  • [23:04:43] <spacecolonyone> checking
  • [23:05:03] <spacecolonyone> 182
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  • [23:06:07] <spacecolonyone> I'm using systemd, in case that affects your way of thinking
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  • [23:08:08] <Russ> spacecolonyone, then I'm not sure
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  • [23:08:46] <Russ> I think you need an eth1.service
  • [23:08:54] <spacecolonyone> no worries mate, thanks for the help
  • [23:08:54] <Russ> and the command is systemctl start ifup@eth1.service
  • [23:09:12] <spacecolonyone> hrm
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  • [23:10:01] <Russ> I think the /etc/network/interfaces might be compatibility fluff on a systemd system
  • [23:10:26] <spacecolonyone> yea, I was starting to get a hint of that
  • [23:10:40] <spacecolonyone> ok, well I'll look into getting that or creating it. the command itself currently gives no such file
  • [23:12:37] <Russ> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Network
  • [23:14:46] <spacecolonyone> ok, now to find the appropriate files
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  • [23:16:34] <spacecolonyone> busybox-udpcpc.service looks promising
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  • [23:18:23] <spacecolonyone> hahaha: busybox-udpcpc.service -> /dev/null
  • [23:18:33] <spacecolonyone> thats never going to work
  • [23:20:25] <spacecolonyone> alright, well I'll check in in the AM to see if anyone has had suggestions about this or about the kernel booting issue
  • [23:22:28] <arugh> is there a stable tag to checkout for building angstrom for the beaglebone? I'm having trouble with the image produced with a current checkout.
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  • [23:28:49] <Russ> spacecolonyone, anything with 'udhcpc' in it *has* to be awesome
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