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  • [00:10:10] <isaacbw> "do you just treat it like a computer ? install python and all that good stuff on it?"
  • [00:10:10] <isaacbw> yea
  • [00:10:41] <isaacbw> You can plug in a monitor and keyboard and play quake on it if you want
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  • [00:17:12] <mranostay> mru: trolling my picture taking skills as well? :)
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  • [00:24:44] <mranostay> mru: just my phone :)
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  • [00:53:19] <delinquentme> why are people talking about installing angstrom on it?
  • [00:53:22] <delinquentme> just a smaller OS?
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  • [01:05:55] <delinquentme> oh does it come with angstrom?
  • [01:08:15] <hads> Yes
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  • [06:28:55] <_av500_> mranostay: post was saved by professional commenting skills
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  • [08:11:35] <aholler> hmm, looks like that thread about stable will never end ...
  • [08:11:51] <av500> so, it's a stable thread
  • [08:12:08] <aholler> ;)
  • [08:12:09] <av500> does it get packports from mainline threads?
  • [08:12:12] <av500> back*
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  • [08:44:01] <koen> another 15 minutes to read lkml :)
  • [08:44:13] <aholler> only stupid stuff
  • [08:45:11] <aholler> git for runaways ;)
  • [08:46:33] <av500> aholler: hmm, the thread is at its end now
  • [08:46:41] <aholler> hopefully
  • [08:47:32] <av500> He now has something that he can show his grandchildren...
  • [08:53:25] <aholler> like "see I was called a f* m* by Linus" ;)
  • [08:54:18] <aholler> I wonder what he has done before to get called such ;)
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  • [08:58:56] <koen> aholler: I guess you haven't dealt with felipec :)
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  • [09:51:20] <louisbob> Is someone has a good link that explains how to compile or activate omap_mux module into a BeagleBoard xM?
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  • [09:57:03] <aholler> so you need to learn how to compile a kernel
  • [09:57:20] <av500> sounds exiting
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  • [10:16:48] <froksy> Hi, anyone here knows how to configure the McASP in CCS?
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  • [10:19:03] <louisbob> aholler: ok I will search what i can do
  • [10:19:38] <louisbob> is anyone know why omap_mux isn't integrated in the default kernel?
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  • [10:24:25] <aholler> to force people to learn how to compile a kernel ;)
  • [10:25:01] <louisbob> lol ok... any clues how to start? googling out too mucj result :(
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  • [11:22:35] <koen> Crofton|work: I owe you a beer
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  • [11:30:08] <Crofton|work> rofl
  • [11:30:26] <Crofton|work> I see
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  • [11:36:14] <prasant> Where is the latest kernel and uboot hosted for beagleBone? Is the latest kernel and uboot hosted at https://github.com/beagleboard?
  • [11:37:43] <koen> prasant: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
  • [11:41:55] <prasant> koen: If I want only the kernel and uboot and not the entire distribution. Is it possiblt to get/extract the updated kernel and uboot from the same setup?
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  • [11:51:55] <Crofton|work> prasant, read the recipes for the kernel and u-boot
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  • [11:54:23] <prasant> koen + Crofton|work : thanks, I got the tar files. Yes, I should understand bitbake, openembedded [never worked with either :-( ].
  • [11:56:11] <av500> prasant: grep the tarball and patches from the recipes
  • [11:56:31] <av500> and pretend its 1990 again
  • [12:02:00] <Crofton|work> I forget if koen has a repo somewhere with all the patches applied
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  • [12:03:15] <av500> something github something
  • [12:03:27] <koen> yes, but that's only for dumb and lazy people
  • [12:03:37] <koen> and not tested
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  • [12:06:07] <Crofton|work> applying a billion patches by hand is annoying
  • [12:07:28] <mru> very
  • [12:09:26] <koen> so don't do it by hand
  • [12:09:52] <koen> there's a while buildsystem around those 'recipes' to do it for you
  • [12:10:10] <av500> white?
  • [12:10:11] <mru> what if I don't want to use that?
  • [12:10:18] <koen> and attentive readers will notice a script that applies the patches for you
  • [12:10:25] <koen> mru: then don't use it
  • [12:10:55] <mru> which takes us back to the nightmare of finding and applying the patches
  • [12:11:05] <mru> why can't you just keep a git branch with the patches applied?
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  • [12:12:39] <koen> I do
  • [12:12:45] <mru> since when?
  • [12:12:51] <koen> since a few months
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  • [12:13:09] <mru> where is this git repo?
  • [12:13:15] <Crofton|work> koen, if you just want to mess with the kernel, OE is overkill
  • [12:13:18] <Crofton|work> really
  • [12:13:18] <koen> on github/koenkooi
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  • [12:13:42] <koen> mru: it would be in github/beagleboard if jkridner would give me access
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  • [12:14:21] <koen> Crofton|work: 90% of the people who popup here to ask for the kernel are better of using OE
  • [12:14:53] <Crofton|work> that is scary
  • [12:15:13] <koen> it is
  • [12:15:49] <koen> I've also found a correlation between the nicks used here and support requests at circuitco a day later
  • [12:15:52] <ynezz> Scary Patches IV.
  • [12:16:41] <koen> the requests are usually like "I have this thing from 'git' now, plz send me exact steps to compile it"
  • [12:16:59] <av500> koen: in this case, both github kernel and OE are wrong
  • [12:18:25] <Crofton|work> repo?
  • [12:18:34] <ynezz> rather branch
  • [12:18:48] <ynezz> it's hidden by design :)
  • [12:19:02] <av500> Crofton|work: of course not repo, buildroot!
  • [12:19:09] <koen> https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/branches
  • [12:19:56] <aholler> compiling the kernel is running gag
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  • [12:20:42] <aholler> every since I'm here
  • [12:20:49] <aholler> -y
  • [12:21:35] <koen> especially now that the bone kernel is compiled in thumb2 mode to save ~700KiB
  • [12:21:54] <koen> pretty much every prebuilt toolchain chokes on that
  • [12:21:54] <aholler> that works with every compiler?
  • [12:21:56] <av500> so it has hollow bones?
  • [12:22:11] <koen> and if it doesn't, it has a binutils that chokes on the broken TI code
  • [12:22:46] <ynezz> hm, 700, thats quite a lot
  • [12:22:57] <ynezz> and how much faster it is? :)
  • [12:23:06] <aholler> I never got anything to run with either thumb or thumb2 ;)
  • [12:23:07] <av500> faster?
  • [12:23:34] <koen> ynezz: ext2load was slow in uboot, so I needed the kernel as small as possible
  • [12:23:50] <koen> ext4load is a lot faster now, but 700KiB on a total of 3MiB is still a lot
  • [12:23:59] <ynezz> yes, it is
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  • [12:24:11] <koen> 3.7 -> 3.0, not 3.0 -> 2.3
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  • [12:26:45] <bradfa> koen, with the smaller kernel, how much of an improved ext2load time did you see? before and after numbers?
  • [12:28:12] <koen> bradfa: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/kernel-compression-experiments
  • [12:28:27] <koen> that's not the thumb2 numbers, but it does include load times
  • [12:28:35] <bradfa> Oh my! that is quite a long time
  • [12:28:50] <koen> bradfa: the upcoming uboot release makes ext2load 20 times faster by not loading it block-by-block
  • [12:29:14] <bradfa> koen, which "upcoming" release is that? 2012.0x?
  • [12:29:20] <koen> yes
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  • [12:29:51] <koen> bradfa: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/149244/
  • [12:30:06] <bradfa> koen, I will do a quick test, if I can, I'm doing ext2load with uboot 2011.09 from the arago repo, I'm not of the impression my 2MB kernel takes very long, but I don't have absolute numbers to back that up
  • [12:30:25] <koen> bradfa: and http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/149244/
  • [12:30:37] <koen> ehm
  • [12:30:55] <koen> https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/hWysPLZY1f4
  • [12:31:25] <bradfa> koen, that's a huge difference... I'm going to try grabserial to see what my performance looks like
  • [12:31:28] <bradfa> thanks!
  • [12:31:29] <koen> with the patched uboot on beaglebone ext2load is as fast as fatload and there's an ext4load to load from ext4
  • [12:31:40] <bradfa> I'd love an ext4 load!
  • [12:31:56] <bradfa> Currently running 3 partitions (fat, ext3, ext4) and would love to only have 2
  • [12:32:08] <koen> the ext4 patchset will change and fold into the regular ext2 system
  • [12:32:15] <koen> so 'ext2load' will work on 2,3 and 4
  • [12:32:36] <bradfa> koen, cool! Thanks for the info!
  • [12:37:57] <bradfa> koen, I'm seeing about 650 ms to ext2load a 2.1MB kernel on my BeagleBone off an ext3 partition. That's not screaming fast, but fast enough that I'm not going to try to optimize it (yet)
  • [12:39:56] <bradfa> GrabSerial pastebin: http://pastebin.com/QbpXBbBS
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  • [12:40:27] <bradfa> if that's a useful data point or not, I'm not sure
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  • [12:51:49] <jsabeaudry> When it comes to DMA on the beaglebone, am I supposed to use the stuff in arch/arm/plat-omap or the generic linux stuff?
  • [12:52:04] <koen> define DMA
  • [12:52:51] <koen> bradfa: FWIW, gcc 4.4 is the worst you can get for ARM
  • [12:53:40] <jsabeaudry> transfering data from the gpmc to memory at a very fast rate without hogging the cpu
  • [12:54:21] <bradfa> koen, Yeah, but I don't have to build it, Debian does it for me. I'm also compiling for armv5t and running on Cortex-A8. Currently optimizing for development speed with long-ish term support rather than execution speed or bleeding edge software.
  • [12:54:38] <mru> gcc 4.4 is still horrible
  • [12:54:43] <mru> get 4.5 or 4.6
  • [12:54:53] <mru> linaro has nice builds you can use
  • [12:55:00] <bradfa> mru, fair enough :) I'll get a newer one with Ubuntu 12.04 or Debian Wheezy
  • [12:55:12] <mru> gcc 4.4 isn't even supported any more
  • [12:55:41] <bradfa> mru, My only qualm with Linaro is that in 2 years, am I still going to get software security updates? With Debian / Ubuntu LTS, there's a good chance I will.
  • [12:55:42] <mru> so if you're looking for long-term support, you're better off picking a fairly recent version now
  • [12:55:56] <koen> I'm happy with the 4.5 I'm using, but I'm going to jump to 4.7 next month
  • [12:55:59] <mru> there will be no more updates for gcc 4.4
  • [12:56:02] <mru> it is end of life
  • [12:56:12] <bradfa> No, but Debian will put out security updates for it
  • [12:56:19] <mru> lol
  • [12:56:20] <bradfa> till Squeeze ends life
  • [12:56:52] <bradfa> I'm moving to Ubuntu 12.04 or Wheezy armhf soon, don't worry :)
  • [12:57:04] <mru> no matter how you spin it, gcc 4.7 will receive support longer than 4.4
  • [12:57:52] <bradfa> mru, good to know, I'll keep that in mind. For now, I have a working toolchain that I'm comfortable with and that's more important at this point to me.
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  • [13:13:08] <mdp> jsabeaudry: which generic linux stuff?
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  • [13:15:11] <mdp> jsabeaudry, for now, you use arch/arm/common/edma.c in conjunction with the DMA API
  • [13:15:33] <mdp> at some TBD date in the future you will use the generic DMA Engine API in conjunction with the DMA API
  • [13:15:37] <jsabeaudry> mdp, I was under the impression that there was some form of abstraction layer over different dma but now I understand this is highly device dependant
  • [13:16:08] <mdp> there is. it's just that TI parts choose not to use it...yet
  • [13:16:20] <jsabeaudry> ah ok
  • [13:16:48] <jsabeaudry> are you aware of any examples of dma on the bone I failed to find any on the google
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  • [13:20:36] <mdp> I don't know of any bone specific examples. However, since the edma block is also on the davinci parts???.you can see how drivers/spi/spi-davinci.c uses it directly, for example
  • [13:21:05] <jsabeaudry> mdp, ah excellent, thank you very much
  • [13:21:26] <mdp> my best recommendation is to steer clear of the soon to be deprecated sdma2edma hack around the old arch-specific dma calls
  • [13:21:45] <mdp> I think it'll be easier to convert from direct edma api to dmaengine when the time comes
  • [13:22:26] <mdp> jsabeaudry: dmaengine api has only been around for 6+ years so it's too new for TI parts to adopt :)
  • [13:22:58] <jsabeaudry> mdp, will the edma handle scatter gather lists?
  • [13:23:07] <mdp> yes
  • [13:23:57] <mdp> edma makes sdma look like a child's toy too, btw???it's crazy flexible
  • [13:24:36] <mdp> however, the implementation doesn't take advantage of everything in the h/w???that would be a retirement project for 1+ people
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  • [13:27:00] <mdp> jsabeaudry: dunno what your linux driver experience is on other platforms so I just want to remind you to read and understand the DMA API stuff so you are sure to use it properly before handing off buffers to the edma and before you touch buffers provided by the edma.
  • [13:27:32] <mdp> that's a generic API so use is well-documented
  • [13:28:09] <jsabeaudry> mdp, my linux experience with DMA is reading the DMA chapter in LDD 15 minutes ago :)
  • [13:28:23] <av500> you are all set, go!
  • [13:28:25] <mdp> lol
  • [13:28:28] <mdp> ok, then
  • [13:28:37] <jsabeaudry> I'll take extra care
  • [13:31:32] <mdp> to put it in perspective, "The Generic DMA Layer" section is what lines up with what I called the "DMA API"???source documentation is in Documentation/DMA-API.txt
  • [13:31:56] <mdp> in short, that's just how you manage the lifecycle of dma buffers in Linux
  • [13:32:35] <av500> they get born, used and abused and die young
  • [13:32:38] <mdp> the edma api and/or dmaengine api are APIs for accessing a specific general purpose DMA h/w block
  • [13:32:56] <mdp> av500, exactly???but they get cleaned and flushed down the toilet along the way :P
  • [13:33:15] * av500 must not make foxconn worker remark
  • [13:34:49] <mdp> jsabeaudry, so just keep in mind that the stuff in the chapter about "set_dma_addr()" is all legacy PeeCee ISA world stuff and ignore it
  • [13:35:31] * av500 throws a DMA channel jumper at mdp
  • [13:35:58] <mdp> lol.I was just dreaming of ISA irq/dma channel jumpers/switches
  • [13:36:30] * koen moves mdps soundblaster pro(compatible) to irq 11
  • [13:36:58] <jsabeaudry> mdp, I was thinking of starting with http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/samples/kfifo/dma-example.c, then I should just have to insert a few EDMA API call where they say "put here your code to execute the dma operation"
  • [13:37:04] <mdp> just wait until the beaglebone ISA slot cape is a hot seller!
  • [13:37:37] <koen> I really like the idea of an ISA cape
  • [13:37:47] <koen> provided it comes with a proper ISA kernel driver
  • [13:38:01] <av500> koen: +1
  • [13:38:13] <mdp> koen, what? s/w support?
  • [13:38:29] <mdp> koen, I don't understand your crazy expectations
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  • [13:39:11] <koen> I can always run devmem2 from inside nodejs
  • [13:39:20] * mdp chokes and sputters
  • [13:39:33] <mdp> you do enjoy punishing me with those statements
  • [13:39:37] <koen> I do
  • [13:40:32] <av500> ISA should be easy by mapping GPMC into user space
  • [13:40:33] <koen> I've learned that instead of saying "this is bad engineering" you just say "we hardened and productized it"
  • [13:41:12] <pastjean> hey , fast question, im not finding it in the docs. can we power the beaglebone throught the expansion headers
  • [13:41:25] <mdp> battery cape says yes
  • [13:41:25] <jsabeaudry> pastjean, yes you can
  • [13:41:42] <av500> nuclear cape says YES
  • [13:41:45] <jsabeaudry> pastjean, you'll have to be extra smart to run at 720 MHz however
  • [13:42:05] <pastjean> *I am smart :)
  • [13:42:13] <koen> jsabeaudry: cpufreq-set -f 720000
  • [13:42:20] <pastjean> jsabeaudry: ahh thank you
  • [13:42:54] <mdp> av500: I don't argue with nuke capes or SilicaGel's DeathCape
  • [13:43:14] <SilicaGel> DEATHCAPE
  • [13:43:18] <SilicaGel> RRRAAARRRRRR
  • [13:43:39] <pastjean> jsabeaudry: AHHH thank you i just found it, i went over that page without noticing
  • [13:43:41] <mdp> SilicaGel: sorry, I thought it had StudlyCaps, my bad
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  • [13:45:08] <jsabeaudry> koen, thanks for that command, how can I validate that it worked?
  • [13:45:31] <koen> jsabeaudry: cpufreq-info
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  • [13:46:54] <jsabeaudry> koen, works beautifully, thanks
  • [13:47:02] <koen> http://pastebin.com/1cc9VH6w
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  • [13:47:27] <jsabeaudry> the hw guys will be extra happy not to have to cheat the board into thinking its powered from the plug
  • [13:48:32] <koen> jsabeaudry: with the 3.2.14 kernel 'ondemand' is the default governor, which will scale up to 720 on load, you can select 'performance' if you want to keep it at 720
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  • [13:49:00] <jsabeaudry> koen, even on USB ?
  • [13:50:01] <koen> yes
  • [13:50:25] <koen> I have a bone running at 720 and powering the lcd+backlight from usb as well
  • [13:50:28] <koen> it seems to work
  • [13:51:17] <koen> when people started mentioning cpufreq I said "that is probably going to ignore the usb/dc-plug status"
  • [13:51:36] <koen> TI responded with "No, it will check the status off that"
  • [13:51:43] <koen> fast forward 4 months
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  • [13:51:50] <koen> it does NOT check the status
  • [13:52:22] <trosky> Hi, anyone who can tell me how I can define the mode of a gpio bank in CCS using Starterware?
  • [13:53:25] <trosky> ...there are 8 modes [0 7] to choose from
  • [13:53:47] <koen> and gpio is usually 7
  • [13:54:30] <av500> 8 modes, binary search should be quick....
  • [13:54:37] <trosky> yes I see that. I need to route McASP out to the pins
  • [13:55:08] <trosky> I thought these pins all go by the name "GPIO"..
  • [13:55:54] <trosky> McASP belongs to mode 3 and I need to inforce this mode in CCS...but don't know how
  • [13:56:36] <av500> read register, edit mode bits, write register back
  • [13:57:28] <trosky> aaah ok! I started using Starteware today so any hints on how to follow your recipe would be great
  • [13:58:22] <trosky> ..I mean I understand what to do but I'm not familiar with the syntax yet
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  • [14:20:18] <XorA> morning
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  • [14:23:37] <f11f12> My CCS disassembly window shows wrong info (it does not match the memory image in the memiry view), how can I fix this?
  • [14:24:15] <mru> well, you could simply stop using ccs
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  • [14:24:34] <f11f12> what's the alternative?
  • [14:24:44] <mru> what are you trying to do?
  • [14:25:08] <f11f12> initialize DDR on AM3517 with own code
  • [14:25:27] <mru> how does that need ccs?
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  • [14:25:42] <f11f12> single step my asm code?
  • [14:25:54] <mru> what good does single-stepping do?
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  • [14:26:06] <mru> hoping to sneak past the bugs by going slowly?
  • [14:27:26] <f11f12> running it does now work, the timing is not usable, looking at the chip does not really help
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  • [14:27:55] <f11f12> mru: what do you use jtag debug for?
  • [14:28:04] <mru> I don't
  • [14:28:17] <mru> there's rarely any need for it one these chips
  • [14:28:20] <mru> *on
  • [14:29:11] <f11f12> I don't see how you can then do testing on timings, unless you can write bug free asm code from scratch
  • [14:30:12] <mru> you can't do that?
  • [14:30:53] <f11f12> No, and the CCS disasm guys can't either. Can you?
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  • [14:31:10] <mru> usually
  • [14:31:50] <f11f12> you're invited to write the asm ddr code :-)
  • [14:32:41] <mru> why don't you just take it from the standard mlo, whatever that is?
  • [14:33:11] <f11f12> that's the one that does not work on this board (no surprise).
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  • [14:41:18] <louisbob> What does OE mean?
  • [14:41:29] <jsabeaudry> louisbob, Open Embedded
  • [14:41:33] <av500> Output Enable
  • [14:41:36] <louisbob> lol
  • [14:41:51] <koen> outlook express
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  • [14:42:47] <av500> mail like a boss
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  • [14:45:02] <koen> XorA: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:21346
  • [14:46:40] <XorA> koen: sweet
  • [14:47:39] <XorA> those worms are pretty damn tough, remember back at school we had a challenge to lift max weight using lego motor, all other teams used normal cogs to gear down, we used 2 worms. We ran out of weights, everyone else stripped teeth
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  • [14:51:18] <louisbob> koen: I'm trying to compile a Kernel, and I saw that you have done a list of patches for the kernel(http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Linux_kernel). What do they bring to the board?
  • [14:52:02] <koen> that wiki is horribly out of date
  • [14:52:12] <koen> but basically: power management and making it actually work
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  • [15:22:17] <louisbob> guys, I'd crashed my board. No screen signal, no serial signal... The SD card's LED are lighting up, so I guess the beagle is booting. What can I do?
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  • [15:22:58] <koen> if both lights light up, it's stuck in uboot
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  • [15:26:17] <louisbob> ok what can I do?
  • [15:26:27] <av500> http://c.learncodethehardway.org/book/learn-c-the-hard-waych3.html#x8-190003
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  • [15:30:29] <mranostay> av500: heh classic
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  • [15:32:45] <louisbob> koen: I just tested with another sdcard that has working distrib installed on, and it didn't boot...
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  • [15:32:57] <louisbob> +a
  • [15:33:38] <mranostay> +b
  • [15:33:54] <louisbob> +c
  • [15:34:13] <mru> +d
  • [15:34:28] <louisbob> +e
  • [15:36:30] <louisbob> my mentor tell me off, he thinks that I've burned the board... Fucking bad day
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  • [15:39:47] <louisbob> any help? this board make me crazy...
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  • [15:43:55] <louisbob_> the board is very hot
  • [15:44:02] <av500> not good
  • [15:44:11] <louisbob_> :s
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  • [15:44:25] <mdp> hotter than a bread box?
  • [15:44:49] <louisbob_> yes
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  • [15:45:57] <louisbob_> is it possible to burn a board only with GPIO manipulations?
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  • [15:46:43] <prpplague> burn a board?
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  • [15:46:59] <mdp> is it in a microwave?
  • [15:47:13] <louisbob_> no the chip on the beagle board
  • [15:47:28] <louisbob_> come on ^^ I'm in trouble
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  • [15:50:55] <prpplague> hehe
  • [15:52:37] <mdp> av500, thanks for that link. I've given it a prominent bookmark so I can frequently cite it
  • [15:53:35] * LetoThe2nd likes burning things.
  • [15:53:41] <mdp> av500, I'm afraid that Exercise 15 will kill most javascript programmers
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  • [16:02:45] <av500> mdp: ah yes
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  • [16:06:27] <petrolom1> Hi does beagleboard framebuffer use rgb ? (/dev/fb)
  • [16:07:08] <av500> yes
  • [16:07:28] <petrolom1> ok thx
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  • [16:10:44] <louisbob_> I remade the SD card but always no screen and no serial. And chip is still hot. what can I do now? Buy a new card?
  • [16:15:01] <aholler> hmm, die hard, that book uses i++ and '\0'.
  • [16:15:28] <mru> what's wrong with i++?
  • [16:15:37] <mru> '\0' is a useless construct
  • [16:15:47] <mru> usually indicative of lack of clue
  • [16:16:01] <av500> or cargo cult
  • [16:16:11] <mru> which indicates lack of clue
  • [16:16:15] <aholler> ++i, just in case one wwant to advance to c++
  • [16:16:29] <mru> huh?
  • [16:16:47] <mru> prefix or postfix increment DOES NOT MATTER with any remotely modern compiler
  • [16:16:51] <aholler> i++ uses a temporary for complex stuff, ++i not
  • [16:17:02] <mru> complex stuff?
  • [16:17:06] <aholler> and EVEN WITH MODERN COMPILERS
  • [16:17:24] <mdp> aholler, another increment and you jump straight to perfe^H^H^H^H^HJava
  • [16:17:24] <aholler> classes
  • [16:17:29] <av500> 5+7i
  • [16:17:33] <av500> complex
  • [16:17:52] <mdp> you can solve that if you take it to another dimension???then bring that answer back here
  • [16:17:53] <mru> aholler: show me a case where a sane C compiler generates less efficient code with postfix increment
  • [16:18:12] <aholler> mru: teach c++ yourself
  • [16:18:23] <av500> mru: unpossible, I use post and my code is perfect
  • [16:18:26] <mru> we're talking about C here
  • [16:18:43] <aholler> [18:16] < aholler> ++i, just in case one wwant to advance to c++
  • [16:18:50] <mru> if you care about efficiency, you don't use c++ in the first place
  • [16:19:00] <aholler> you won
  • [16:19:05] <aholler> go asm
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  • [16:19:25] <mru> and teaching bad habits in C because of <hand-wave-c++> is stupid
  • [16:19:43] <mdp> I wonder why javascript is promoted for beaglebone???it must be more efficient than C
  • [16:19:45] <mru> what's next, typecast the return value of malloc?
  • [16:19:58] <mru> because c++ requires that
  • [16:20:23] <mru> c and c++ are two different languages with some similarities in syntax
  • [16:20:54] * prpplague has been trying to teach his son C programming from K&R
  • [16:21:13] <mru> now that's a sensible thing to do
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  • [16:21:49] <prpplague> mru: i am little disappointed how they introduce variables, but other than that it seems to be doing well
  • [16:22:10] <mdp> prpplague: smart???the link above is useful for those with a 5 minute attention span..like python and javascript script kiddies
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  • [16:22:40] <aholler> sorry, I lack the brain to understand why using ++i a bad habbit
  • [16:22:48] <aholler> yours must belarger
  • [16:22:59] <mru> sometimes i++ makes for more readable code
  • [16:23:11] <ogra_> belarger ... nice word :)
  • [16:23:25] <mru> always use whichever form gives the nicest-looking code
  • [16:23:48] <mdp> ogra_, that's up there with "embiggen"
  • [16:23:56] <ogra_> haha
  • [16:24:15] <aholler> that thread about stable must have had teach some people
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  • [16:31:45] <niro> Hi, I can't get usb working on the beagle at all...
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  • [16:33:30] <niro> I'm running 2.6.34 kernel. And it's only showing usb1 in sysfs.
  • [16:34:01] <niro> I have the ehci driver loaded, I have gpio_vbus compiled in, what could I possibly be missing?
  • [16:34:17] <av500> pastebin full boot log
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  • [16:37:40] <oragsy> Hello! I've beaglebaord revision B4 and I would like to install ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap.img on it. Could anyone link me to instructions which explains why and how to do so?
  • [16:38:27] <rcn-ee> oragsy, the directions are usually at the place that pointed to the download..
  • [16:38:34] <niro> av500, sorry, just recompiled and now it won't boot, so I'll be about 2 minutes...
  • [16:38:42] <av500> and as for "why", I have no idea why you would wont that....
  • [16:38:51] <av500> want*
  • [16:39:35] <smplman> oragsy: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
  • [16:39:55] <smplman> is the best ubuntu support for the BB
  • [16:40:04] <oragsy> rcn-ee: You mean http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ ?
  • [16:40:11] <oragsy> smplman: Yes, thanks. I'm on it
  • [16:40:34] <rcn-ee> oragsy, "For OMAP3 boards. See ARM/OMAP for detailed installation information." ;)
  • [16:40:36] <oragsy> smplman: I was also looking for one which describes about connections for beagleboard
  • [16:40:52] <smplman> oragsy: connections?
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  • [16:42:17] <oragsy> smplman: I mean ports and cables I need to connect... different types of adapters required etc ...
  • [16:43:00] <smplman> oragsy: ahh i see
  • [16:43:44] <oragsy> smplman: I'm new to it. So, I'm not sure what more things are required ...
  • [16:43:58] <smplman> the ports are pretty standard
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  • [16:44:05] <smplman> what are you trying to do?
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  • [16:46:20] <niro> http://pastebin.com/hU3J05ve <-- there's my boot info
  • [16:46:44] <oragsy> There is one IDC10 to DB9 adapter which I'll try to get it by tomorrow. .. I meant to ask about basic connections required after copying the image. I could find - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install?action=show&redirect=ARM%2FOMAPHeadlessInstall- after rcn-ee pointed that out.. So, I'll try the connections now
  • [16:47:28] <pioj_> hi
  • [16:49:01] <oragsy> Thanks smplman and rcn-ee
  • [16:49:14] <smplman> np, keep on keeping on
  • [16:49:32] <smplman> run is the man
  • [16:49:36] <smplman> rcn**
  • [16:50:38] <pioj_> is there any news about the OpenElec project?
  • [16:50:56] <av500> why would you get such news here?
  • [16:51:03] <av500> dont they have an irc channel?
  • [16:51:17] <av500> or a mailing list? or a forum
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  • [16:53:37] <niro> av500, can you see anything in the boot?
  • [16:53:47] <niro> or, can you see anything that isnt in the boot
  • [16:53:48] <niro> lol
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  • [16:54:34] <rcn-ee> niro, which board is that?
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  • [16:54:43] <niro> its the bb rev b7
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  • [16:54:58] <rcn-ee> ah, so your trying to get musb to work on it then..
  • [16:55:22] <niro> *shrug*?
  • [16:55:28] <niro> maybe?
  • [16:55:31] <niro> what's musb?
  • [16:55:41] <av500> niro: that is not a full boot log
  • [16:55:42] <rcn-ee> the otg usb adapter, kernel driver..
  • [16:55:52] <mru> nightmare..
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  • [16:56:24] <niro> I have some musb stuff compiled in...
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  • [16:56:56] <niro> config_usb_musb_host is not set?
  • [16:57:03] <niro> is that something the b7 needs?
  • [16:57:20] <av500> if you want musb in host mode yes
  • [16:58:16] <niro> I didn't include it because it said, omap 343x high speed support...
  • [16:58:25] <rcn-ee> niro, havent touched 2.6.34, since aug of 2010.. but take a look at this defconfig as reference.. http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/dl/mirrors/deb/squeeze/v2.6.34.4-x2/
  • [16:59:02] <av500> niro: also, why are not running something more recent?
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  • [17:01:12] <niro> Currently the target device is running 2.6.34, so that's what I need to work with as I don't have the target to test on
  • [17:01:48] <niro> rcn-ee, thanks
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  • [17:07:02] <niro> When I started out, I could get pictures from my webcam, now I have a kernel that doesn't even recognise the camera is there
  • [17:07:10] <niro> I feel like I may be going in the wrong direction
  • [17:07:25] <rcn-ee> so revert to the old build?
  • [17:08:28] <niro> the problem with the old build was that the camera would only take pictures up to vga, after that it failed...
  • [17:09:02] <rcn-ee> what was the value of "dmesg | grep fifo"
  • [17:09:25] <niro> setup fifo mode 4
  • [17:09:37] <niro> musb_hdrc: setup fifo_mode 4
  • [17:09:43] <niro> well, that is the full result
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  • [17:10:49] <rcn-ee> mode 4, doesn't work to well on the original omap3, (missing the 2nd half of 16kb).. retry with this bootarg: musb_hdrc.fifo_mode=5 (hopefully that mode option was pulled in 2.6.34)..
  • [17:12:23] <niro> ok, rebooting...
  • [17:12:49] <niro> what bus is the usb controller connected to btw?
  • [17:14:07] <niro> yeah, it's still not detecting anything
  • [17:14:13] <av500> no bus
  • [17:14:16] <adj> universal serial bus
  • [17:14:21] <av500> well, the L3 or so
  • [17:17:25] <niro> ok, I've checkout'd v2.6.32, the original kernel I had that was working...
  • [17:22:11] <jsabeaudry> A bit confused with all the devices, is the dev_t inside a struct cdev actually a struct device ?
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  • [17:28:44] <jsabeaudry> Somehow I need a struct device to dma_map_sg but LDD only talks about struct device in the context of sysfs it seems
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  • [17:36:25] <niro> yay, still no usb
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  • [17:50:15] <mdp> jsabeaudry: struct device goes with the internal Linux kernel driver model (Documentation/driver-model/device.txt) whereas dev_t is a POSIX API
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  • [17:54:00] <jsabeaudry> mdp, Oh, and the reason I need that is is LDD : "There are times when the device model leaks out from behind the other layers; for example, the generic DMA code"
  • [17:54:52] <mdp> hmmm???leaking layers
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  • [18:21:35] <mdp> jsabeaudry: that's like if you want non-coherent memory..the api requires a struct device
  • [18:22:14] <mdp> jsabeaudry: since you are creating a device driver???presumably a platform driver will be registered???you will be instantiating a platform device which contains a struct device
  • [18:23:57] <jsabeaudry> mdp, I was under the impression that it was the case only if I used sysfs
  • [18:25:38] <mdp> void *dma_alloc_noncoherent(struct device *dev, . . .)
  • [18:25:56] <mdp> just an example, I have nfc if you are using that api or just the streaming dma apis...
  • [18:28:22] <mdp> but streaming also requires it, of course
  • [18:29:26] <mdp> the reason for this is that the architecture dependent implementation may do special things based on the device..*may*
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  • [18:30:33] <mdp> jsabeaudry: so anyway, I recommend you register this as a platform driver???then register a complementary platform device in your board file to go with it
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  • [18:35:39] <jsabeaudry> mdp, I really try to do the least stuff possible in the board file as the source control management is a bit complicated
  • [18:36:14] <mdp> ok, you it in your .dts :)
  • [18:36:20] <mdp> s/you/do
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  • [18:59:36] <jsabeaudry> not sure what a .dts is, is the reason I need to do that stuff in the board file "unknown symbol: device_register" ?
  • [19:00:39] <aholler> .dts is for device tree
  • [19:01:22] <aholler> e.g. arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-beagle.dts
  • [19:01:51] <aholler> but I assume it was meant as a joke ;)
  • [19:02:22] <mdp> sorry, must enable sartalics
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  • [19:05:10] <oragsy> I did fdisk on the image I'll be using, it says - http://pastebin.com/1BfefgW8 - so does it mean I will not have to partition the SD card? It already got FAT and ext3/4 ?
  • [19:05:11] <mdp> jsabeaudry, althought it doesn't maintain the intendended platform<->driver separation, you could register both platform device and driver in your module init
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  • [19:08:20] <jsabeaudry> mdp, the correct way to to register_device in the board file and driver_register in my module init?
  • [19:09:17] <mdp> that's the correct way in absence of DT support for your platform
  • [19:09:21] <mdp> today
  • [19:09:40] <jsabeaudry> oragsy, that is my impression too
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  • [19:09:56] <mdp> if you want to avoid touching the board file, you can implement what many would consider to be a hack..both in module init
  • [19:10:02] <mru> the board init should create a platform device for which the module registers a driver
  • [19:10:06] <oragsy> jsabeaudry: Ok, thanks..
  • [19:10:26] <mru> the platform device can be created manually or through DT
  • [19:11:07] <aholler> oragsy: yes, therefor it's an image
  • [19:11:16] <mru> of course DT only works fully on a few rare boards
  • [19:11:19] <jsabeaudry> mdp, I tried to device_register in my module init but the module wont load because of unknown symbol device_register
  • [19:11:19] <mdp> since he's working on beagle*, I deemphasize the DT path since it's not practical
  • [19:11:22] <mdp> mru, exactly
  • [19:11:35] <mdp> jsabeaudry, platform_device_register()
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  • [19:11:53] <oragsy> aholler: Otherwise it would have been some .iso?
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  • [19:12:09] <mru> aren't images .jpg?
  • [19:12:21] <mdp> jsabeaudry, and platform_driver_register. you want to refer to Documentation/driver-model/platform.txt
  • [19:12:23] <jsabeaudry> mdp, ah interesting, LDD doesnt mention that one :) I'll give it a try
  • [19:12:43] <aholler> oragsy: otherwise an archive (e.g. tar.*) would made sense
  • [19:12:58] <mdp> LDD is old and unfortunately doesn't tell the complete story :-/
  • [19:13:27] <oragsy> aholler: Well, it was ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap.img.gz initially
  • [19:13:32] <mru> jsabeaudry: I usually look at some actively maintained driver with pretty code
  • [19:14:00] <mru> if the code in general looks nice, it's probably doing things properly
  • [19:14:11] <aholler> oragsy: they make images to avoid problems with people which are unable to format a sd-card
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  • [19:14:55] <oragsy> aholler: So that means I need not follow - http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#U-Boot_uImage_and_uInitrd - when using the above image?
  • [19:15:20] <aholler> oragsy: don't know, didn't read that
  • [19:15:50] <oragsy> aholler: That section is under PArtition SD card... so was wondering
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  • [19:19:48] <jsabeaudry> I also get unknown symbol when using platform_device_register, board file time I guess
  • [19:20:02] <smplman> oragsy: some images write to the SD with two partitions, others you have to build and fill the two partitions. Depends on what images you are using.
  • [19:20:17] <jsabeaudry> really a pain that the dma layer leaks like that
  • [19:21:31] <oragsy> smplman: I did fdisk-l on the image I'm using. It said - http://pastebin.com/1BfefgW8 So I think I need not format the SD or follow http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#U-Boot_uImage_and_uInitrd . Could you confirm me on that?
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  • [19:23:34] <mdp> jsabeaudry: #include <linux/platform_device.h>, yes?
  • [19:23:38] <smplman> oragsy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OmapNetbook#ARM.2BAC8-SDInstall.content
  • [19:24:00] <smplman> that image you have does have both partitions contained in it
  • [19:24:28] <smplman> you will have to change the name of the image file also
  • [19:24:53] <oragsy> I followed - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install?action=show&redirect=ARM%2FOMAPHeadlessInstall#Copy_the_image_to_SD_card . Yea, so no formatting and the u-boot ulimage and initrd part etc
  • [19:25:29] <mdp> jsabeaudry: just for fun, I noted that there *are* upstream mainline drivers actually registering both driver/device in their init code
  • [19:25:30] <jsabeaudry> mdp, Did not have the include, but the module compiles fine, it just won't insmod, tried with the include, same result
  • [19:25:54] <jsabeaudry> I'll try cleaning
  • [19:26:06] <mdp> ahh, ok, you know, I think you need platform_add_device()..maybe
  • [19:26:28] * mdp goes back to look at what is available after all the initcalls
  • [19:26:53] <oragsy> smplman: Er sorry. I meant to say that I need not follow http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/LinuxBootDiskFormat - ?
  • [19:27:31] <smplman> oragsy: if you are using the stock ubuntu images then yes you will need to copy the uImage. If you use the images for rcn-ee you don't need to.
  • [19:28:07] <smplman> after you write your ubuntu image you should have two partitions
  • [19:28:18] <smplman> you are going to modify the first with uImage
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  • [19:28:30] <mdp> jsabeaudry: hrmph..dunno why the problem..you should be able to do that late...
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  • [19:29:35] <jsabeaudry> mdp, ah found it, usually the error is more explicit, it would seem that these calls are gpl only
  • [19:29:35] <Dhut> is anybody familiar with bitbake opencv ?
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  • [19:30:28] <_av500_> ask a real question please
  • [19:31:11] <mdp> jsabeaudry: heh, I was just about to ask about your module license
  • [19:31:31] <mdp> it should mention the taint..but won't tell you that's why the symbols are unknown
  • [19:31:31] <Dhut> I am geeting errors in bitbake opecv, need help
  • [19:31:59] <_av500_> still no question
  • [19:32:44] <thurbad> if you have an error log post it to a pastebin site
  • [19:32:45] <mru> there's an opencv accelerated version of bitbake?
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  • [19:33:19] <Dhut> okay, I will do that
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  • [19:34:47] <jsabeaudry> So basically, DMA is available for GPL code?
  • [19:36:26] <mdp> depending on your legal interpretation, all kernel code might possibly be required to be GPL
  • [19:36:32] <mdp> that's between you and your lawyers
  • [19:37:09] <jsabeaudry> Well, I was thinking in terms of EXPORT
  • [19:37:10] <oragsy> smplman: Sorry, pinged out. I'm using ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap.img.gz from http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/11.10/release/ . And I copied the image following the instructions I linked above. And now I can see two partitions on SD card as - http://pastebin.com/DJ4cXPD0
  • [19:37:19] <mru> a driver lifted from, say, bsd and hammered into the linux device model ought not be required to be gpl
  • [19:37:44] <mdp> jsabeaudry: implicitly you might say that???but it's specific to a kernel module...
  • [19:38:41] <mdp> there's nothing stopping you from having a UIO-like driver that has a small gpl shim to do the things you want to do in the kernel..and keep your proprietary goop in userspace
  • [19:39:08] <mdp> it's been done many many times by those that feel that they don't want the legal risk of binary kernel modules
  • [19:39:18] <oragsy> smplman: I didn't quite get when I'll have to use ulimage...
  • [19:40:24] <mdp> jsabeaudry, let's just solve the technical issue though because legal stuff is fscking waste of time
  • [19:40:49] <mdp> set your license to GPL???make it work..then sort out what makes sense before you distribute the code.
  • [19:40:51] <jsabeaudry> Agreed
  • [19:41:45] <oragsy> smplman: I probably made a mistake. The image size is 2GB, so dd would require 2GB card not 8GB ...
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  • [19:44:21] <jsabeaudry> mdp, thanks for all the help btw, it is greatly appreciated
  • [19:44:55] <mdp> np
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  • [19:57:31] <jsabeaudry> What exactly is DCHMAP as referred in here: http://e2e.ti.com/support/embedded/linux/f/354/t/105149.aspx#370135
  • [19:59:30] <jsabeaudry> Oh probably the DMA Channel Mapping registers
  • [19:59:44] <jsabeaudry> wierd that he had to play with that directly
  • [20:09:49] <Dhut> I am following Opencv-DSP Accelration project. If I already have working Opencv 2.3. still Do I need to bitbake opencv ? as it is one of the steps in tutorial
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  • [20:18:37] <jsabeaudry> In order to use EDMA3 in a very simple way, is it correct to simply set ACNT to a value bigger than my biggest transfert and not worry about BCNT AND CCNT?
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  • [20:49:48] <pastjean> nvm
  • [20:50:10] <pastjean> in linux ain go from 1-8 and in doc from 0-7
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  • [23:01:16] <jsabeaudry> I'm doing the exact example of the TRM section 11.3.19.1, I set the exact same parameters and still I cannot get a DMA transfert complete IRQ, I can only get error IRQ by calling edma_start twice
  • [23:01:42] <jsabeaudry> what could possibly cause the TC irq not to be called?
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