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  • [00:48:37] <IRanNaked> ok now i get errors
  • [00:49:37] <IRanNaked> init: ureadahead main process (194) terminated with status 5
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  • [00:52:48] <IRanNaked> [ 6.569946] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p5): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. O pts: (null) [ 12.541076] omap_i2c omap_i2c.2: controller timed out
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  • [00:53:58] <michaelshiloh> ehlo
  • [00:57:23] <IRanNaked> and how i get pass this Ubuntu 11.04 beagleboard tty1 login?
  • [00:57:30] <IRanNaked> i dont remmber setting a account
  • [00:58:09] <IRanNaked> n/m found it
  • [01:01:04] <michaelshiloh> i'm trying to boot ubuntu on a bbxm, the demo image from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu. do you know what network the distro configures?
  • [01:03:37] <mranostay> michaelshiloh: it should dhcp
  • [01:10:24] <mdp> mranostay, what host distro and kernel are you using for working bone openocd?
  • [01:11:08] <mranostay> mdp: 3.2.0
  • [01:11:41] <mdp> host?
  • [01:12:32] <mranostay> ah
  • [01:12:33] <mranostay> Linux ubuntu 3.0.0-14-generic-pae
  • [01:12:41] <mranostay> haven't updated that in awhile
  • [01:12:56] <mdp> hrm, wtf
  • [01:12:58] <mranostay> wasn't the some jtag quirk that was needed?
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  • [01:16:02] <mdp> peter korsgaard put the pid upstream to get rid of the special rules/modprobe options
  • [01:16:19] <mdp> as a part of that patch he also registered the little ftdi_jtag_quick for the xds100v2 pid as well
  • [01:16:37] <mdp> oh???what rev bone do you have?
  • [01:18:41] <mdp> curious what the pid shows on your host
  • [01:18:54] <mranostay> Rev A
  • [01:19:20] <mranostay> Bus 001 Device 078: ID 0403:a6d0 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd
  • [01:19:41] * mranostay checks to be sure he didn't do any weird stuff in /etc/modprobe.d
  • [01:20:32] <mranostay> mdp: i did a udev rule.
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  • [01:23:55] <mranostay> mdp: why did you guys go with a non-stand PID?
  • [01:24:00] <mranostay> *nonstandard
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  • [01:30:21] <Crofton|work> my are you guys talking abou tthis on Saturday night?
  • [01:30:56] <mranostay> it isn't night for me yet :P
  • [01:40:02] <mranostay> Crofton|work: and why are you here as well? :P
  • [01:41:12] <mru> Crofton|work: would you rather have us getting drunk at some bar?
  • [01:41:29] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [01:41:35] <Crofton|work> yes, lets all go get drunk
  • [01:41:40] <Crofton|work> or at least play BF3
  • [01:42:12] <Crofton|work> LF has pro x86 bias, therefore Linaro exists to fork the Linux kernel?
  • [01:42:30] <mru> no drinking for me tonight, been doing too much of that the last month
  • [01:43:00] <mru> huh, where did you read that?
  • [01:43:06] <mru> or have _you_ been drinking?
  • [01:43:14] <Crofton|work> Re: Arguments for basing upon Debian
  • [01:43:43] <mru> oh, was it that funny? maybe I should read it then
  • [01:43:56] <Crofton|work> The Linux Foundation, which I work closely with, is oriented towards an x86 architecture
  • [01:44:08] <Crofton|work> This is one reason why Linaro exists - it is essentially a fork of the Linux kernel for the ARM processor.
  • [01:44:09] <mru> really?
  • [01:44:14] <Crofton|work> those are direct copies
  • [01:44:24] <mru> then how come almost all the talks at elc, an lf event, are about arm?
  • [01:44:33] <Crofton|work> dunno
  • [01:44:44] <Crofton|work> someone at the Linux Foundation must have screwed up
  • [01:45:34] <mru> linaro exists to create 'blueprints', debate, and once in a while write some code
  • [01:46:42] <Crofton|work> I thought they existed to promote Ubuntu
  • [01:47:39] <mru> most of the actual work that gets done is not ubuntu-specific
  • [01:47:51] <mru> that work being kernel and gcc stuff
  • [01:47:51] <Crofton|work> does koen have a git repo with the bone kernel in it?
  • [01:47:55] <Crofton|work> I need to make a quick patch
  • [01:48:00] <Crofton|work> sure
  • [01:48:06] <mru> the rest of the teams I have no idea what they do
  • [01:48:10] <mru> including mine
  • [01:48:13] <Crofton|work> there is just a bit of Ubuntu stench around it
  • [01:48:21] <mru> there is indeed
  • [01:48:29] <Crofton|work> sort of like Yocto having an Intel sench :)
  • [01:48:35] <mru> heh
  • [01:48:37] <Crofton|work> stench
  • [01:48:43] <mranostay> speaking of bars
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  • [01:49:00] <Crofton|work> do you ahve the app?
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  • [01:49:34] <mranostay> ah yes
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  • [04:49:52] <fiveofoh> Hey all, I've got a BB xM rev C and am trying to get some basic GPIO going via c. I've got the CodeSourcery chain installed, but I've been searching around and can't figure out how to get the needed OMAP3(?) headers included. I've generated mux.h and pinmux.h from the TI utility, but they use OMAP34XX_CTRL_BASE, which doesn't seem to be defined anywhere
  • [04:49:58] <fiveofoh> (in headers that I can find)
  • [04:55:05] <fiveofoh> Hmm, I downloaded headers from kernel.org and it looks like they have the right stuff, I'm gonna try linking to those. If I cross-compile against these, will it work when I copy things over?
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  • [04:57:54] <IRanNaked> whos a n00b here?
  • [04:58:09] <fiveofoh> Haha
  • [04:58:16] <fiveofoh> Did you see my questions? :P
  • [04:58:26] <fiveofoh> I haven't even gotten anything compiled yet
  • [05:01:51] <IRanNaked> wtf is with this lingo
  • [05:01:58] <IRanNaked> windowsfag here
  • [05:02:19] <fiveofoh> Which lingo? Most of that is general c-type lingo
  • [05:02:43] <fiveofoh> But maybe you're just coding in python or somesuch
  • [05:04:07] <IRanNaked> i finaly got xfce running on my BB <3
  • [05:04:19] <jay6981> windows people don't cross compile apparently
  • [05:04:21] <IRanNaked> sadly, it's too slow for me
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  • [05:05:41] <IRanNaked> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy slow
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  • [05:13:15] <beagleboard0923> yay! <3
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  • [06:32:09] <fiveofoh> I'm trying to do GPIO in c, but all the examples I see just include <linux/gpio.c>, but my board/cross-compiler can't find it
  • [06:32:13] <fiveofoh> Anyone have any ideas?
  • [06:37:15] <OrlandoT> are you trying to control gpio from a device driver or from some user space application?
  • [06:37:38] <fiveofoh> Userspace - that's what I'm finding doing more reading, should I be using the file access stuff?
  • [06:37:43] <fiveofoh> It just seems rather clumsy
  • [06:39:40] <OrlandoT> well, i am a n00b but yeah i think you have to do the file access stuff
  • [06:39:45] <fiveofoh> Hrm gross
  • [06:39:54] <OrlandoT> this is the docs
  • [06:39:55] <OrlandoT> http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio.txt
  • [06:40:29] <fiveofoh> Yeah, but those are for device-driver side things yes?
  • [06:40:48] <fiveofoh> Oh I see, userspace is down below
  • [06:41:17] <OrlandoT> open one of the /sys/class/gpio/gpioN/ where N is the gio number
  • [06:41:28] <OrlandoT> yeah it is there too
  • [06:41:52] <fiveofoh> Hokay
  • [06:41:53] <OrlandoT> so read, write 0 or 1 to the file and control the gpio like that
  • [06:41:56] <fiveofoh> Right
  • [06:42:13] * fiveofoh hunts for some kind of wrapper for this
  • [06:42:16] <OrlandoT> what other way you expected it to work?
  • [06:43:04] <fiveofoh> Well I was hoping for something in userspace where I could do something like set_pin_direction(N, GPIO_OUT);
  • [06:43:06] <fiveofoh> Or some such
  • [06:43:14] <OrlandoT> oh ok you wanted to use something that wraps all the system calls
  • [06:43:16] <fiveofoh> And not have to deal directly with all this file voodoo
  • [06:43:17] <fiveofoh> Right
  • [06:43:35] <OrlandoT> I don't know if such thing exist
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  • [06:48:07] <OrlandoT> here they have an example of using gpio from user space http://www.avrfreaks.net/wiki/index.php/Documentation:Linux/GPIO "Example of GPIO access from within a C program"
  • [06:48:12] <OrlandoT> no wrapper though
  • [06:50:03] <OrlandoT> I must admit that it is pretty nasty to do gpio using files. it simply not natural
  • [06:50:12] <_av500_> the file "voodoo" is 3 lines
  • [06:50:23] <_av500_> open, write, close
  • [06:50:33] <OrlandoT> sure but it is not intuitive
  • [06:50:38] <_av500_> sure
  • [06:50:43] <_av500_> but its not voodoo
  • [06:50:49] <OrlandoT> there should be an API for gpio from user space
  • [06:51:02] <OrlandoT> ok voodoo it is not
  • [06:51:22] <OrlandoT> nasty it is though
  • [06:52:14] * mranostay waves
  • [06:52:28] * _av500_ waveres
  • [06:52:32] * _av500_ wavers
  • [06:52:43] * _av500_ wafers
  • [06:52:45] <mranostay> heh there is a meeup group for everything
  • [06:52:46] * _av500_ waffles
  • [06:52:49] <mranostay> *meetup
  • [06:53:05] <mranostay> MeeGo has one. who would go to that? :)
  • [06:53:27] <_av500_> Tizen people? to not feel alone?
  • [06:53:34] <fiveofoh> Not voodoo, no
  • [06:54:14] <fiveofoh> But messy. I'm writing myself a little wrapper library - I don't want my pin initialization code all scattered with fopen() calles
  • [06:54:16] <fiveofoh> *calls
  • [06:54:43] <_av500_> write a function
  • [06:54:48] <_av500_> its like GOSUB
  • [06:55:14] <OrlandoT> yeah I hate having to read a program that does gpio opening stuff doing rea() write()
  • [06:56:15] <mranostay> _av500_: i should go troll that meetup :)
  • [06:56:21] <mranostay> "Android is the future!" :)
  • [06:56:43] <OrlandoT> lol that would be funny as hell
  • [06:57:07] <fiveofoh> Okay, important question though: I still don't know how to set the pinmux settings. Do I just have to do that in my uBoot, or can I do it in C?
  • [06:57:16] <fiveofoh> Or is that accessible via this file interface as well?
  • [06:57:38] <OrlandoT> yup everything is accessible through the file interface
  • [06:57:57] * fiveofoh goes and reads some more
  • [06:57:58] <OrlandoT> it's powerful for console scripts
  • [06:58:14] <OrlandoT> messy for everything else
  • [06:58:24] <Russ> OrlandoT, its really not as big of a deal as you think
  • [06:58:42] <Russ> OrlandoT, just imagine that you are using ioctl instead of read/write/seek, etc
  • [06:59:07] <OrlandoT> don't get me started with ioctls lol
  • [06:59:18] <OrlandoT> i always make an "sdk" layer on top of them
  • [07:01:21] <fiveofoh> Hmm
  • [07:01:42] <fiveofoh> So http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux seems to imply I can't do pinmux from userspace, I guess I'll just do the uboot method then?
  • [07:06:59] * mranostay notes drinking coffee at 11p never ends well
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  • [07:14:10] <Russ> OrlandoT, I hate it when people make APIs for APIs
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  • [07:16:48] <OrlandoT> hey it is all about abstraction
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  • [07:27:57] <mranostay> Russ: big fan of 'keep it simple' too?
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  • [10:49:05] <govind> Hi, I'm a linux noob, but I have a beagle-XM rev C and I am trying to boot up the board with the Angstorm images from the beagleboard.org site on my personal SD-card. I've managed to do the partitions and get the system to boot up into Angstorm, but my USB keyboard and mouse are not detected. The same keyboard and mouse work fine with the preprogrammed SD-card that came with the board (which seems to be a Narcissus build) Could anyon
  • [10:49:40] <govind> debugging the USB host connections?
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  • [11:12:24] <ynezz> hm, I'm quite lost, does anyone here know where's the latest linaro's kernel git tree for omaps(beagle)?
  • [11:12:41] <ynezz> there's quite a lot trees at git.linaro.org
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  • [11:27:35] <badezucker> hi govind_
  • [11:29:04] <badezucker> i would begin searching to discover what was different about the kernel versions and modules they have loaded at runtime
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  • [12:00:13] <govind_> hmm ok thanks, ill check that, and i have another question about the rootfs image on the angstorm site - do I need to unpack the modules.tar into the angstorm partition or is just the rootfs.tar enough for basic applications?
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  • [13:34:39] <Crofton|work> koen, you awake?
  • [13:35:57] <mru> someone in need of trolling?
  • [13:36:25] <Crofton|work> not yet, just trying to make sure I under stand where the bone kernel source is
  • [13:37:00] <mru> good luck with that
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  • [13:44:53] <SilicaGel12> you want to understand ... where ... it is?
  • [13:45:39] <Crofton|work> well, ow branches in his git repo match
  • [13:45:49] <Crofton|work> mainly make sure I know what I am doing
  • [13:47:44] <mru> when you find the unicorn, you'll know you're getting close
  • [13:50:19] <koen> Crofton|work: yes
  • [13:50:55] <koen> Crofton|work: the canonical (no, not the ubuntu kind) source is the recipe
  • [13:51:25] <koen> Crofton|work: there's an exploded git tree at my github with branches for that match the recipe
  • [13:51:42] <koen> Crofton|work: but thats for people too lazy or too stupid to apply patches manually
  • [13:51:54] <zumbi> W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable InRelease: The following
  • [13:51:54] <zumbi> signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
  • [13:52:04] <zumbi> echan
  • [13:52:55] <woglinde> zumbi and?
  • [13:53:28] <zumbi> woglinde: wrong channel, sorry
  • [13:53:55] <Crofton|work> well, I am trying to make a patch
  • [13:54:00] <Crofton|work> and
  • [13:54:02] <Crofton|work> I am lazy
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  • [13:54:32] <Crofton|work> bone uses the psp kernel?
  • [13:56:17] <woglinde> laziness is your greatest enemy
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  • [13:57:16] <mru> the trick is to disguise it as patience
  • [13:57:26] <Crofton|work> :)
  • [13:57:58] <mru> one good way is to create insanely slow build systems, then invoke xkcd 303
  • [13:58:11] <Crofton|work> you mean try to builds ona vm
  • [13:58:40] <Crofton|work> I asked for a headless dedicated box, and got a vm
  • [13:58:49] <Crofton|work> that every time I restart it, ssh is off
  • [13:59:21] <woglinde> o.O
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  • [13:59:26] <woglinde> so enable sshd service
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  • [14:01:21] <koen> Crofton|work: looking at the branches in github should give you a clue which kernel is the most recent one
  • [14:01:29] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [14:01:33] <Crofton|work> r5a or something
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  • [14:02:08] <Crofton|work> the bone kernele doesn't have the access perf counter from userspcae patch, right?
  • [14:02:12] <Crofton|work> grep suggests no
  • [14:03:38] <koen> I've been hesitant to add those
  • [14:03:44] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [14:03:46] <Crofton|work> I understand
  • [14:04:01] <Crofton|work> I should make a module you can load to turn them on
  • [14:04:01] <koen> I don't want this kernel to work well
  • [14:04:06] <mru> what's the harm?
  • [14:04:11] <koen> I want people to help out with VHs kernel
  • [14:04:35] <koen> mru: it's not the perf counters I'm concerned about, it's investing time in a crap, dead end kernel
  • [14:04:50] <Crofton|work> VHS is already dead
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  • [14:05:15] <Crofton|work> "VHs kernel"?
  • [14:05:45] <SilicaGel12> maybe he wants you to move to a beta kernel
  • [14:06:36] <Crofton|work> all kernels except mainline are beta :)
  • [14:07:01] <mru> yes, but which one is max beta?
  • [14:07:11] <Crofton|work> beta max?
  • [14:13:52] <koen> Crofton|work: vaibhav hiremats kernel
  • [14:14:14] <koen> Crofton|work: you know, the one mentioned in the bone kernel roadmap email to the beagle list this week
  • [14:14:43] <Crofton|work> heh, I am behind on that list
  • [14:16:14] <koen> Crofton|work: remember the fuss about consolekit and polkit a while ago?
  • [14:16:20] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [14:16:35] <woglinde> policykit is want linus wants
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  • [14:17:01] <koen> Crofton|work: oe-core upgrade maniacs broke it again with .103 -> .104
  • [14:17:01] <Crofton|work> one day I need to to look them up and see what they do
  • [14:17:53] <koen> I've backported the patches from upstream that stop it from crashing and give an error message instead
  • [14:17:58] * mru read that as "lock them up"
  • [14:17:59] <woglinde> Crofton you want a short story?
  • [14:18:07] <woglinde> they are not for mru
  • [14:18:29] <Crofton|work> rofl
  • [14:19:23] <Crofton|work> what about spidev :)
  • [14:19:35] <woglinde> hm some kernel dev for my phone now or not
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  • [14:20:34] <koen> Crofton|work: respond to the spidev thread and ask "so what clockspeed and polarity should we use for spidev?"
  • [14:21:05] <woglinde> haha the latest xkcd
  • [14:22:11] <Crofton|work> mind you, I think you can overrise all that from usersapce with spidev
  • [14:23:22] <Crofton|work> the vhs kernel is for all TI cpu's? omap etc?
  • [14:23:49] <_av500_> its for all of them
  • [14:23:56] <_av500_> even for Nvidia
  • [14:24:04] <mru> one tape to rule them all
  • [14:24:07] <_av500_> it cures cancer and fragmentation
  • [14:24:31] <_av500_> hmmn cancer is easy compared to linux arm
  • [14:24:46] <mru> especially omap
  • [14:24:50] <mru> omap is totally fucked
  • [14:24:52] <mru> rmk said so
  • [14:25:09] <Crofton|work> rmk is not the most reliable source
  • [14:25:17] <mru> news at 11
  • [14:29:01] <koen> Crofton|work: VHs kernel is for am335x, it is linus + patches sent for review
  • [14:29:14] <Crofton|work> ok
  • [14:29:20] <Crofton|work> seems like a good approach
  • [14:29:26] <koen> it is
  • [14:29:42] <koen> he even accepts outside contributions
  • [14:30:49] <koen> his effort was a brief and unexpected outbreak of common sense
  • [14:31:56] <koen> I hope it succeeds and shows others at TI how to do things properly
  • [14:32:11] <Crofton|work> yes
  • [14:33:15] <_av500_> koen: is there a forum to send patches too?
  • [14:33:21] <koen> _av500_: heh
  • [14:33:36] <koen> _av500_: you know that joking about that will get you an official complaint, right?
  • [14:33:42] <_av500_> right
  • [14:33:50] <_av500_> next thinh I will post HDCP keys on e2e
  • [14:33:53] <_av500_> thing
  • [14:34:01] <koen> that was a major factor in why I quit TI a few weeks earlier that planned
  • [14:34:11] <koen> than*
  • [14:34:18] <_av500_> and antisec pastebins
  • [14:39:38] <ynezz> koen: btw, why is beagle still at 3.0.x? that sgx bug?
  • [14:39:49] <ynezz> I mean beagleboard
  • [14:42:14] <ynezz> git pull
  • [14:42:43] <ynezz> fscked unity focus crap
  • [14:44:07] <Russ> ynezz, I think you need to follow that statement with, ', Batman!'
  • [14:44:47] <koen> ynezz: noone bothered to port all the PM crap to 3.1.x or 3.2.x and make it work
  • [14:45:05] <koen> ynezz: not to mention the camera stuff
  • [14:45:14] <koen> of course, devicetree will fix all that
  • [14:45:18] <ynezz> :D
  • [14:45:21] <_av500_> sure
  • [14:45:32] <ynezz> or maybe that Gary guy
  • [14:45:49] <_av500_> Powel?
  • [14:45:55] <ynezz> Thomas
  • [14:46:12] <ynezz> current pop star on the Angstrom mailing list
  • [14:46:36] <_av500_> ah, I meant Powers
  • [14:49:22] <ynezz> the thing is, that friend of mine has some crappy Samsung TV and poor beagle feeds it with some stupid resolution/frequencies, so I'm resurrecting that EDID thingie and found out via blind route omap_gpu/drm, that in the recent kernel, there's 'France V Ireland'
  • [14:49:33] <ynezz> oh, jesus no France V Ireland, but 'OMAP: DSS2: add panel-dvi driver'
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  • [14:50:13] <ynezz> with edid support done previously by rsalveti
  • [14:51:56] <koen> ynezz: keep in mind that gary's consulting firm is blacklisted by at least one silicon vendor
  • [14:52:04] <ynezz> and I've started wondering why is beagle still on 3.0.x and found this https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel/issues/8
  • [14:52:15] <ynezz> but maybe it's just related to the ubuntu kernel?
  • [14:53:03] <koen> I think prabu fixed that in the 1.7.x based sgx stuff
  • [14:53:08] <koen> (which is DRI based)
  • [14:53:25] <koen> I suspect that will get released soon
  • [14:53:28] <ynezz> ok, apart from that PM and camera patches, no problems so far?
  • [14:53:29] <rcn-ee> ynezz, that's with the older 4_03_00_02 sgx...
  • [14:53:40] * koen makes not of another NDA that needs to get resigned
  • [14:53:48] <ynezz> just want some hint for a shortcut, don't want to just spend 2 days finding out what's broken :)
  • [14:54:01] <ynezz> I know, that it's hard in omap world, but...
  • [14:54:03] <rcn-ee> with 3.3, (kms/dri) i'm hopeing the newest sgx will fix that.. (fingers crossed)
  • [14:54:26] <koen> rcn-ee: 1.7.x is a *lot* better than 1.6.x
  • [14:55:18] <rcn-ee> yeah, so far i like it lot better, but it's only working in "non-x11" mode with v3.2/3.1 (can't use the xorg driver in the release, to old for).. ;)
  • [14:56:05] <ynezz> hm, my use case is just pure qt/qml on fb
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  • [14:57:05] <rcn-ee> the 4.05.00.03's should work for that then..
  • [14:57:34] <koen> 4.06 is 1.7.x based
  • [14:57:39] <koen> 4.05 is a bag of hurt
  • [14:58:04] <ynezz> :D
  • [14:58:38] <rcn-ee> looks at sgx link.. crap... not posted yet. ;)
  • [14:59:12] <_av500_> sgx works fine in android
  • [15:00:02] <rcn-ee> is that why mali usage is increasing? ;)
  • [15:00:13] <_av500_> rumours
  • [15:00:54] <_av500_> i guess TI will keep imgtec alive
  • [15:01:02] <_av500_> ti and aapl
  • [15:02:05] <rcn-ee> wish they didn't..
  • [15:03:07] <ynezz> koen: and I also wonder why there's different mailing list just for meta-ti layer...
  • [15:03:17] <_av500_> meta-lists
  • [15:03:22] <ynezz> it's some kind of obfuscation?
  • [15:03:23] <koen> because every layer needs a mailinglist
  • [15:03:29] <_av500_> you get mails about mails
  • [15:03:37] <koen> it's listed in the README, no?
  • [15:03:57] <ynezz> my .procmailrc is getting longer then brooklyn bridge
  • [15:04:43] <_av500_> try .metaprocmailrc
  • [15:08:28] <woglinde> hm intel will not keep imgtech alive too?
  • [15:08:45] <woglinde> they are comming not along with there graphics soc's
  • [15:09:43] <ynezz> hm, and that magic VH's kernel tree is just for bone?
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  • [15:10:09] <rcn-ee> i think he's doing it for all the am335 evm's too..
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  • [15:13:29] <ynezz> "especially targetted for BeagleBone and daughterboards"
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  • [15:14:25] <Futterama> Hi there, I have a few questions about BeagleBone
  • [15:15:34] <Futterama> I'm new to Linux, so please be gentle :-) Where can I find what is started when the BeagleBone boots?
  • [15:16:18] <Futterama> And will it damage anything in the filesystem if the shutdown procedure is to just remove power?
  • [15:17:34] <rcn-ee> that really depends on how your file system is setup.. if your writing/accessing system files there's always a chance you'll do more damage then fsck can repair..
  • [15:17:55] <mru> nfsroot ftw
  • [15:18:28] <woglinde> nfsroot over gsm yeah
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  • [15:21:57] <Crofton|work> hmm, which board file does the bone use?
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  • [15:24:12] <Crofton|work> interesting
  • [15:24:21] <Crofton|work> kconfig claims a beagle
  • [15:24:28] <ynezz> board-am335xevm.c?
  • [15:25:32] <ynezz> it's so easy to guess, isn't it? :p
  • [15:25:54] <Crofton|work> arg
  • [15:26:00] <Crofton|work> mltiple machines selected
  • [15:28:37] <Crofton|work> ynezz, I think you are right
  • [15:29:07] <Futterama> It's because my end application needs to be able to handle that the user just removes power.
  • [15:29:59] <ynezz> then leave root on read-only partiation
  • [15:30:03] <Futterama> I really don't know if I'll be accessing system files
  • [15:30:10] <rcn-ee> ro ^exactly. ;)
  • [15:31:27] <Futterama> My own application (written in C) will access IO, filesystem (saving some data) and use sockets
  • [15:32:15] <woglinde> use a initrd
  • [15:32:39] <Futterama> initrd, is that for starting programs at boot?
  • [15:32:56] <koen> Crofton|work: cp defconfig .config if you're using my git tree
  • [15:32:59] <woglinde> thats for loading rootfs into ram
  • [15:33:26] <_av500_> +1
  • [15:33:51] <ynezz> well, that's a good suggestion on board with 256MB of RAM :)
  • [15:34:13] <Futterama> My BeagleBone has 256MB RAM
  • [15:34:13] <woglinde> ynezz you dont know the case
  • [15:34:16] <Crofton|work> koen, already done
  • [15:34:30] <woglinde> 256 mb ram could be eniugh
  • [15:34:59] <Futterama> So using initrd will prevent powerloss from damaging the filesystem?
  • [15:35:04] <ynezz> no
  • [15:35:15] <woglinde> depends on the usecase you have
  • [15:35:16] <guyzmo> hello
  • [15:35:26] <ynezz> "saving some data" is use case
  • [15:36:02] * woglinde still dont gets wyh the android vendors ship the wireless modules on /system and not on the initrd
  • [15:36:37] <woglinde> ynezz he didnt say where
  • [15:36:45] <woglinde> maybee saving them via network
  • [15:36:54] <woglinde> would be an option
  • [15:36:59] <Futterama> Perhaps it's a good idea to have a battery backup that takes over then power is lost, and a running service could detect power loss from an input and initiate a shutdown?
  • [15:37:27] <woglinde> Futterama thats sound like an good idea
  • [15:37:54] <ynezz> if you take care about the backup battery :)
  • [15:37:56] <Futterama> Sorry, I will be saving some userdata on the SD card somewhere - location is not important for me
  • [15:39:15] <Futterama> I'm thinking about using maybe a 2S LiPo battery, and then do a recharge when power is back on
  • [15:39:30] <Futterama> And ofcourse use a 5V regulator
  • [15:39:56] <ynezz> I would make one partition read-only for rootfs and the second one read-write for data
  • [15:40:22] <woglinde> ynezz that for sure
  • [15:40:25] <ynezz> and cross fingers, that some hickup to data partition won't take down whole SD card :p
  • [15:40:37] <woglinde> or cannt you connect a second card?
  • [15:41:08] <ynezz> yep, 2nd card or usb flash disk is much better solution
  • [15:41:19] <woglinde> usb flash is to big
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  • [15:42:40] <ynezz> and usb on omap isn't synonym for stable either :)
  • [15:42:55] <Futterama> ven though I use another storage media for data, if I'm writing data while power is removed, filesystem on the 2nd storage could still currupt, right?
  • [15:43:14] <Futterama> Even though...
  • [15:44:20] <woglinde> if you poweroff in rw access case there is always a minimal changes to corrupt the fs
  • [15:44:23] <woglinde> its natural
  • [15:45:23] <Futterama> Ok, I think the backup battery is a better solution then. LiPo batteries are getting cheap these days
  • [15:45:57] <ynezz> again, depends on the use case, if it's outdoor then in winter it's quite useless...
  • [15:46:46] <woglinde> hehe
  • [15:46:51] <woglinde> temperature is another case
  • [15:47:22] <woglinde> but I think the omap is not build for -20
  • [15:47:47] <ynezz> beagle was running fine in -20 this winter :)
  • [15:47:51] <Futterama> Temperature will be above 10 degrees C
  • [15:48:11] <woglinde> ynezz where do you use it outdoors?
  • [15:48:22] <ynezz> one mockup on forklift
  • [15:48:44] <woglinde> mockup?
  • [15:48:58] <ynezz> demo, proof-of-concept
  • [15:49:13] <Futterama> My application is actualy outdoor but not during winter
  • [15:49:32] <woglinde> ynezz ah okay
  • [15:49:36] <woglinde> till later
  • [15:49:36] <rcn-ee> has had the beagle survie -40F, (but the lead acid batteries didn't)
  • [15:50:20] <badezucker> would you put an ip-camera in -40 weather?
  • [15:50:47] <badezucker> mine survived -16
  • [15:50:49] <badezucker> c
  • [15:50:55] <rcn-ee> well, yeah.. ;) it was a weather cam on the roof at work. .;)
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  • [16:22:24] <_av500_> we did rootfs in ram with 64MB
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  • [16:23:55] <badezucker> that is so cool
  • [16:24:04] <badezucker> is it generally useful?
  • [16:24:48] <badezucker> hm there must be a way to measure this
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  • [17:06:38] <_av500_> well, we had just 2MB to boot from and a HDD that was off most of the time
  • [17:06:43] <_av500_> so RAM was the only option
  • [17:08:01] <koen> rcn-ee: -40 is a nice temp
  • [17:08:15] <koen> rcn-ee: it's the point where C and F are exactly the same :)
  • [17:08:43] <_av500_> koen: but which one is colder?
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  • [17:18:30] <mranostay> koen: i wouldn't call -40F or C a nice temp :)
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  • [17:30:42] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: is the xdriver issue at sgx because of the older x11 abi?
  • [17:31:13] <rsalveti> if so then the only way to get it fixed is to get it built against the latest x11 used at ubuntu
  • [17:31:18] <rsalveti> and that might not be that easy =\
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  • [18:18:34] <badezucker> ubuntu is like having a maid who doesn't speak my language
  • [18:18:35] <badezucker> wants to be helpful. gets in the way.
  • [18:18:57] <prpplague> hehe
  • [18:19:11] <prpplague> badezucker: can i quote you on that?
  • [18:19:24] <badezucker> yes sir
  • [18:20:03] <badezucker> i think it captures the problem succinctly does it not?
  • [18:20:13] <badezucker> i know how to sweep my floor
  • [18:20:23] <badezucker> i don't know how to tell the strange lady in the room how
  • [18:21:22] <W1N9Zr0> would violence solve the problem with ubuntu?
  • [18:24:29] <ynezz> sex maybe
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  • [18:35:03] <_av500_> exorcism
  • [18:35:39] <_av500_> and hands off the maid
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  • [18:50:43] <rcn-ee> rsalveti, yeah on the older sgx for the beagle, the builtin sgx xorg driver is looking for abi 6.. but i'm hoping robclark's omapdrm with 3.3 and his xorg driver should solve that problem.. ;)
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  • [18:56:34] <ynezz> omapdrm in 3.3?
  • [18:56:52] <ynezz> or you mean on top of 3.3?
  • [18:57:19] <rcn-ee> it's in 3.3.. ;) it's just that it's main depencidy "cma-v23" is on top of that
  • [19:00:12] <rcn-ee> humm, this is going to be fun.. 3.3-rc5 is awesome on my panda_es, but my regular panda's can't stay up under load for a hour or two.. no serial error message.. they just 'disappear'..
  • [19:07:14] <ynezz> I'm blind, I don't have drivers/gpu/drm/omap in 3.3-rc6
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  • [19:08:03] <rcn-ee> it's in staging..
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  • [19:08:39] <ynezz> yes, blind :) thanks
  • [19:09:07] <rcn-ee> no problem, there's a lot of crap in that dir. ;) easy to miss..
  • [19:09:46] <ynezz> have to master grep more :p
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  • [19:10:28] <rcn-ee> it's actually pretty cool.. reads the edid register and sets the resoultion... ;)
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  • [19:31:02] <woglinde> ynezz git grep
  • [19:33:41] <ynezz> yes, I was talking about git grep
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  • [20:13:01] <ynezz> "OMAP totally fucked?" t-shirt, anyone? :p
  • [20:15:23] <woglinde> av500 has one
  • [20:15:24] <_av500_> statin the obvious...
  • [20:15:26] <woglinde> for sure
  • [20:17:02] <OrlandoT> My beaglebone came with kernel 3.2.5+ and certain file system. What is the best way for me to be able to duplicate (meaning download and compile) this kernel + filesystem?
  • [20:17:39] <OrlandoT> I have tried Angstrom distro with OE but the recipes there are for kernel 3.1.2 or something like that
  • [20:18:09] <OrlandoT> I want to be able to create exactly what my beaglebone is currently running
  • [20:20:13] <Sgarr> OrlandoT: I saw the eeprom mystery seems to be resolved, fantastic. If you figure out how to find the system image you're looking for could you let me know? One wouldn't imagine it'd be so problematic to keep the mirrors up to date with what's shipping on the boards, but maybe I'm missing something???
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  • [20:23:08] <woglinde> OrlandoT you forgot to include meta-texasinstrument?
  • [20:24:18] * mranostay yawns again
  • [20:24:22] <OrlandoT> ah?
  • [20:24:56] <OrlandoT> Sgarr: Sure I will let you know but in reality i am looking for the sources so that I can make my own binary images
  • [20:25:14] <OrlandoT> woglinde: meta-ti? what?
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  • [20:25:47] <Sgarr> OrlandoT: yeah that's what I'll be looking for too.
  • [20:25:54] <OrlandoT> oh ok
  • [20:26:08] <ynezz> look at meta-ti/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-ti33x-psp_3.2.bb
  • [20:26:12] <lost0ne> hey i got a question has anyone got autologin working with ubuntu 11.10 on their beagleboard xm?
  • [20:26:20] <ynezz> that's the "source" for that kernel
  • [20:26:51] <ynezz> or this https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/tree/linux-ti33x-psp-3.2-r5a+gitr09e9651bcf2ee8d86685f2a8075bc6557b1d3b91
  • [20:27:00] <OrlandoT> ynezz: oh really? cool, how come the Angstrom scripts do not include that recipe?
  • [20:27:17] <ynezz> it does
  • [20:27:52] <ynezz> if you build kernel for machine=beaglebone it should pickup that kernel automagically
  • [20:28:10] <ynezz> require conf/machine/include/ti33x.inc
  • [20:28:11] <OrlandoT> that is exactly what I do
  • [20:28:25] <ynezz> that's in machine/beaglebone.conf
  • [20:28:36] <ynezz> PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux-ti33x-psp"
  • [20:28:45] <ynezz> and that include contains this line ^
  • [20:28:48] <OrlandoT> and when i run my system it and do a -uname -r it says kernel 3.1.0 instead of 3.2.5+
  • [20:29:31] <ynezz> if you do bitbake virtual/kernel, it should build that kernel
  • [20:29:46] <OrlandoT> ynezz: so you are telling me that Angstrom scripts already do all those steps that you are describing here?
  • [20:30:00] <mranostay> wow there are some horrible makefiles out there..
  • [20:30:55] <ynezz> OrlandoT: yes, it should, but it's just my guess, since I don't have bone (yet)
  • [20:31:07] <ynezz> just interpreting the sources
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  • [20:33:03] <OrlandoT> ok
  • [20:33:09] <ynezz> it will be probably something more recent than 3.2.5+ now, there's file://3.2.6/0087-Linux-3.2.6.patch
  • [20:33:13] <OrlandoT> so this is what i am doing, let me know where I go wrong
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  • [20:33:36] <OrlandoT> git clone git://git.angstrom-distribution.org/setup-scripts
  • [20:33:37] <OrlandoT> cd setup-scripts
  • [20:33:50] <OrlandoT> MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh config beaglebone MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh update MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake virtual/kernel
  • [20:34:08] <ynezz> seems ok
  • [20:34:31] <OrlandoT> what about the meta-texasinstruments that you were talking about?
  • [20:34:38] <ynezz> it's meta-ti
  • [20:34:54] <ynezz> ls sources/meta-ti
  • [20:35:26] <OrlandoT> do i have to download that manually or that is taken care by the setup-scripts?
  • [20:35:41] <ynezz> it's taken care by the setup-scripts
  • [20:36:06] <ynezz> what git hash do you have in yours meta-ti?
  • [20:36:23] <OrlandoT> so after doing those steps and waiting like 8 hours for the stuff to compile i endup with version 3.1.0 of the kernel
  • [20:37:05] <OrlandoT> it has been a week now since last time i tried though
  • [20:37:10] <OrlandoT> maybe i should try again
  • [20:37:36] <OrlandoT> it has been exactly 7 days since last time i tried
  • [20:38:55] <OrlandoT> I am doing a rm -rf setup-scripts/
  • [20:39:02] <OrlandoT> and trying again
  • [20:39:09] <OrlandoT> here goes another 8 hours of my life
  • [20:39:23] <ynezz> oh, why?
  • [20:39:24] <ynezz> :)
  • [20:39:44] <_av500_> get an i7, only 1h
  • [20:40:04] <OrlandoT> well, i'm running on a VM
  • [20:40:32] <ynezz> 'git pull; ./oebb.sh update; source oe-environment; bitbake virtual/kernel'
  • [20:40:38] <ynezz> should be enough
  • [20:40:52] <OrlandoT> oh geez now you tell me lol
  • [20:41:00] <ynezz> you didn't asked :p
  • [20:41:02] <OrlandoT> too late
  • [20:41:09] <OrlandoT> i guess i didn't
  • [20:41:48] <ynezz> and you don't need to build it actually
  • [20:42:11] <OrlandoT> I don't?
  • [20:42:23] <ynezz> I mean to get the kernel version
  • [20:42:36] <OrlandoT> true
  • [20:42:49] <OrlandoT> it is a text file in the kernel dir
  • [20:43:06] <OrlandoT> i always forget the name but I will check after the downloading it again
  • [20:43:13] <ynezz> no, just run bitbake -e virtual/kernel
  • [20:43:23] <ynezz> there's also -v and -D debug option
  • [20:43:26] <OrlandoT> oh cool
  • [20:43:34] <ynezz> so you can see what it's doing etc.
  • [20:44:11] <OrlandoT> ok
  • [20:44:38] <Sgarr> oebb.sh includes the line, DISTRO="angstrom-2010.x" if I leave that alone it builds 3.1.0+, but if I change the 2010.x to 2012.x it builds 3.2.0+.
  • [20:45:33] <ynezz> ah so
  • [20:46:07] <OrlandoT> oh really?
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  • [20:46:39] <OrlandoT> so i have to manually edit the oebb.sh file to get 3.2.5+?
  • [20:46:48] <ynezz> no
  • [20:47:05] <ynezz> it's pinned to this version for some reason in this distro
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  • [20:47:07] <OrlandoT> so what is Sgarr saying then?
  • [20:47:24] <ynezz> that it's pinned
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  • [20:47:59] <OrlandoT> wow I am so confused right now
  • [20:48:19] <Sgarr> to get latest do you just remove the DISTRO specification?
  • [20:48:41] <mru> OrlandoT: good, then _av500_ can go home
  • [20:49:53] <OrlandoT> lol
  • [20:50:28] <OrlandoT> I opened the oebb.sh that i just downloaded and it has DISTRO="angstrom-2010.x"
  • [20:50:41] <_av500_> mru: about to go to bed actually...
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  • [20:51:19] <ynezz> OrlandoT: just add DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" to linux-ti33x-psp_3.1.bb
  • [20:51:27] <OrlandoT> so if that distro is pinned with version 3.1.0+ then doesn't that mean that i will not get version 3.2.5+? maybe i am getting confused with the term "pinned" english is my second language after all
  • [20:51:47] <_av500_> otoh, there's Red October on tele...
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  • [20:54:57] <mru> _av500_: there's _always everything_ on the internet backups
  • [20:55:11] <_av500_> i'm old
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  • [20:58:31] <OrlandoT> ynezz: i need to add DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" where?
  • [21:01:09] <ynezz> OrlandoT: just add DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" to linux-ti33x-psp_3.1.bb or DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "1" to linux-ti33x-psp_3.2.bb
  • [21:01:24] <ynezz> hopefully there's not magic behind the scenes :p
  • [21:01:28] <ynezz> s/not/no/
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  • [21:02:23] <VCU> Hello
  • [21:02:52] <VCU> I have a question about video encoding on the BeagleBoard XM is anyone familiar with this area?
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  • [21:02:58] <_av500_> ask
  • [21:04:28] <VCU> I intend to use the board to encode video from a USB camera and use it essentially as a IP camera. I want 720p output so I was hoping that h.264 would be an option using the DSP module, but the only info I can find says that it isnt supported due to licensing issues. Is this true?
  • [21:04:56] <_av500_> yes
  • [21:04:59] <VCU> specifically the gstreamer dsp module
  • [21:05:05] <_av500_> the free encoder does SD only
  • [21:05:29] <_av500_> so encode in SD
  • [21:05:45] <VCU> Where would I buy a not free encoder?
  • [21:05:52] <_av500_> nowhere
  • [21:06:03] <_av500_> its not like these are sold in retail
  • [21:06:09] <VCU> yeah : /
  • [21:06:29] <_av500_> all the vendors i know sell in volume only
  • [21:06:40] <OrlandoT> ynezz: ok found linux-ti33x-psp_3.2.bb
  • [21:06:45] <_av500_> they dont want your $10
  • [21:07:00] <VCU> lol
  • [21:07:12] <OrlandoT> ynezz: that means that there is a recipe for 3.2 kernel (linux-ti33x-psp_3.2.bb) so how come it doesn't build it?
  • [21:07:36] <VCU> Could I maybe encode Mpeg-4 at 15fps, downsampling?
  • [21:08:03] <_av500_> the encoders are limited at SD
  • [21:08:08] <_av500_> regardles of frame rate
  • [21:08:10] <OrlandoT> ynezz: what does adding DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "1" to linux-ti33x-psp_3.2.bb does?
  • [21:08:11] <VCU> ah
  • [21:08:42] <VCU> I might have to look into a fanless micro atx board then : /
  • [21:11:49] <tasslehoff> OrlandoT: tells bitbake to prefer version 3.2 of all the linux-ti33x-psp_<version>.bb recipes
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  • [21:12:26] <OrlandoT> ok makes sense thanks
  • [21:13:06] <OrlandoT> what would bitbake prefer if i do not enter default_preference ?
  • [21:13:15] <tasslehoff> unless some other recipe also has it set. then I don't know what happens :)
  • [21:13:27] <tasslehoff> I usually set PREFERRED_VERSION
  • [21:13:28] <OrlandoT> i see
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  • [21:15:21] <OrlandoT> so after the kernel finishes building then I have to do a MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake systemd-image
  • [21:15:29] <OrlandoT> to get the root file system right?
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  • [21:18:31] <koen> I guess './oebb.sh update' is not hardcore enough
  • [21:19:50] <koen> OrlandoT: the setup scripts is how the factory image gets built
  • [21:20:35] <koen> OrlandoT: no need to make any changes
  • [21:21:19] <OrlandoT> koen: but it was building an outdated kernel version for me when i tried last week
  • [21:21:51] <koen> ok, so you know better than me
  • [21:21:54] <koen> I'll shut up
  • [21:22:00] <koen> what do I know about all this anyway
  • [21:22:43] <OrlandoT> koen: don't be like that I do not mean any disrespect
  • [21:23:34] <woglinde_> .o(orlando forgot to update all repos?)
  • [21:23:41] <OrlandoT> koen: I'm a n00b and we behave stupidly
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  • [21:24:54] <_av500_> koen: not all people are bb recipes, some are people :)
  • [21:24:56] <OrlandoT> koen: but i apologize for making you angry
  • [21:25:31] <ATP> can anyone tell me what im doing wrong with wireless usb config? i can see all networks , can connect, can get ip, but no internet :S
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  • [21:25:58] <_av500_> OrlandoT: he is not angry
  • [21:28:54] <OrlandoT> well, annoyed then
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  • [21:37:08] <Sgarr> I did the git clone git://git.angstrom-distribution.org/setup-scripts, did the oebb.sh config beaglebone, and did the oebb.sh update. I must still be missing something becuase in oebb.sh there's still DISTRO="angstrom-2010.x", and I believe that's still going to build an old kernel. Maybe I'm wrong.
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  • [21:47:20] <woglinde_> Sgarr wrong branch?
  • [21:48:54] <Sgarr> Maybe, but I'm just following the directions at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/, as I assume many other people will. If they result in cloning the wrong branch mabe they should be updated?
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  • [21:54:52] <Sgarr> I am working with master. It looks like these are the possibilities:
  • [21:54:52] <Sgarr> origin/integration
  • [21:54:52] <Sgarr> origin/layout-rework
  • [21:54:52] <Sgarr> origin/magic-number
  • [21:54:52] <Sgarr> origin/oe-core
  • [21:54:53] <Sgarr> origin/texas-instruments
  • [21:54:53] <Sgarr> origin/yoctoproject
  • [21:56:22] <spow> hey, what's the worst in your opinion ? opening/closing each write time a /sys/.../ file or use fflush on these special files ?
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  • [22:01:40] <woglinde_> use oe-core branch
  • [22:01:58] <Sgarr> ah hah
  • [22:02:02] <Sgarr> thanks for the pointer
  • [22:02:08] <woglinde_> and that is written in the wiki article
  • [22:02:39] <woglinde_> good nite
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  • [22:28:06] <SilicaGel12> wow i just actually thought of something i want a raspberry pi for.
  • [22:29:03] <thurbad> ?
  • [22:30:07] <SilicaGel12> the thing has HDMI out right? I wonder how much it costs for something that converts that into vga on the hd15 connector, plu audio
  • [22:31:19] <SilicaGel12> huh, ot cheap
  • [22:31:47] <thurbad> more than the pi costs
  • [22:31:54] <SilicaGel12> yeah, that's what it looks like
  • [22:31:55] <SilicaGel12> rats!
  • [22:32:05] <SilicaGel12> The stupid celeron in my mame cabinet is dying
  • [22:32:13] <SilicaGel12> I'd love to replace it with something ARMish
  • [22:32:22] <SilicaGel12> but it's just a VGA monitor in it
  • [22:33:24] <SilicaGel12> huh, but there are $5 cables, why isn't that sufficient ? http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=226998716&sellerid=15743316
  • [22:33:29] <SilicaGel12> I don't know much about hdmi :(
  • [22:35:48] <OrlandoT> the cables talk about VGA HD
  • [22:35:57] <OrlandoT> maybe there is VGA and VGA HD?
  • [22:36:17] <OrlandoT> i am pretty sure that VGA is analog and HDMI can only do digital
  • [22:36:35] <OrlandoT> i think DVI can do analog and digital with DVI-D
  • [22:36:54] <OrlandoT> so this cable could not work for regular analog VGA
  • [22:36:58] <OrlandoT> me guessing
  • [22:37:48] <thurbad> dvi-d is digital only
  • [22:38:18] <OrlandoT> Sgarr: i talked to koen and he said they build the kernel without making any changes to Angstrom scripts and they get the latest kernel. So i might have been doing something wrong
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  • [22:38:53] <SilicaGel12> yeha.
  • [22:38:58] <OrlandoT> thurbad: yup that is what i said
  • [22:39:16] <Sgarr> OrlandoT: Then I am too. I'm just trying to figure out what
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  • [22:40:37] <OrlandoT> Sgarr: ok let me know how it goes for you and I'll do the same. I am building as we speak but it won't be done until like 12:00pm lol I am going to be asleep at that time
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  • [22:41:45] <OrlandoT> NOTE: Running task 415 of 1161 :-(
  • [22:42:24] <Sgarr> haha yeah it takes forever. I'm building it on an ubunto vm on my macbook
  • [22:43:15] <ynezz> pastebin your cooker.log when it builds 3.1 psp kernel
  • [22:43:26] <OrlandoT> yeah, i guess it is doing a lot after all it is building a toolchain from scratch too
  • [22:43:36] <ynezz> it's int build/tmp_*/ dir
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  • [22:44:17] <ynezz> since there's no pinning of that kernel anywhere it's quite strange it builds 3.1 instead of 3.2
  • [22:44:28] <OrlandoT> ynezz: ok but hopefully it will not build 3.1 psp kernel but 3.2. heck i even left the change in there that specifies that 3.2 should be default
  • [22:45:29] <OrlandoT> i shouldn't have made that change though because that will break for future kernel releases
  • [22:45:35] <OrlandoT> i will remove it afterwards
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  • [22:45:49] <ynezz> as I said you can check it before the build by bitbake -e or bitbake -v
  • [22:46:04] <OrlandoT> damn i forgot to do that
  • [22:46:12] <OrlandoT> can't believe it
  • [22:46:50] <ynezz> -e will just print out the variables/environment for that recipe
  • [22:47:14] <OrlandoT> ynezz: can i open another console and do bitbake -e even though bitbake is hard at work already in the other console?
  • [22:48:15] <ynezz> well, I wouldn't recommend doing it
  • [22:48:25] <OrlandoT> then i won't
  • [22:48:25] <ynezz> but you can stop the build, it's not a problem
  • [22:48:38] <ynezz> pastebin the cooker.log
  • [22:48:42] <OrlandoT> stop the build? sounds too risky for me
  • [22:48:45] <ynezz> just the beginning
  • [22:49:04] <OrlandoT> ok let me find it
  • [22:49:11] <ynezz> OE build configuration: so I can see the git hashes for various layers
  • [22:49:39] <ynezz> it's in build/tmp_*/cooker-<timestamp>.log
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  • [22:51:01] <ynezz> meta-ti and meta-angstrom should be enouhg
  • [22:52:13] <OrlandoT> ok it is here but i did not see kernel version in there
  • [22:52:15] <OrlandoT> http://pastebin.com/tf1wmv8s
  • [22:54:19] <ynezz> that's ok
  • [22:54:43] <OrlandoT> seems like i will endup having to learn openembedded
  • [22:54:57] <OrlandoT> to be able to understand what I am doing
  • [22:54:59] <ynezz> and this setup has build you 3.1 kernel for bone?
  • [22:55:15] <ynezz> if so, than it's quite strange
  • [22:55:32] <OrlandoT> well, it was a week ago that i tried it and today i did a rm -rf setup-script and started from scratch
  • [22:55:41] <ynezz> ah
  • [22:55:55] <ynezz> so maybe you did something nasty week ago :)
  • [22:56:03] <OrlandoT> yup most likely
  • [22:57:15] <Sgarr> OrlandoT: is this also the tree you edited http://linux-ti33x-psp_3.2.bb/??in?
  • [22:57:31] <OrlandoT> this will be good cause i already know how to make kernel modules and now i'll have a good kernel and i got my dvi-d board up and running. so i can start doing some real work
  • [22:58:09] <OrlandoT> Sgarr: yes i know i know that changes things i guess
  • [22:58:43] <OrlandoT> Sgarr: what about your build? did you edit anything before building?
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  • [22:59:09] <Youri> Hi
  • [23:00:47] <Youri> Someone knows if there is a way to buy a lot of beagleboards discussing about the price? Cauz' my company is interseted in this product
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  • [23:03:06] <Sgarr> I OrlandoT: did not. I get a different hash for meta-angstrom than you do, but the same meta-ti
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  • [23:05:33] <Sgarr> oh well I'll let it run. Between the update command koen mentioned and maybe switching branches there's plenty of food for thought
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  • [23:07:36] <beagleboard0923> anyway to speeed me up?
  • [23:07:54] <beagleboard0923> i am kind of sluggish
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  • [23:09:26] <ynezz> apt-get remove --purge ubuntu
  • [23:09:32] <ynezz> :)
  • [23:11:07] <beagleboard0923> lol not funny :[
  • [23:12:09] <mru> only jokes need to be funny
  • [23:12:27] <beagleboard0923> im running xfce on bbcx5
  • [23:12:34] <beagleboard0923> slllllloooooooowwwww
  • [23:12:50] <OrlandoT> Sgarr: yup
  • [23:13:19] <beagleboard0923> moar swap space do the trick?
  • [23:13:40] <beagleboard0923> have 100MB rightnow
  • [23:13:54] <mru> as soon as you need _any_ swap space, you've already lost
  • [23:14:32] <beagleboard0923> :/
  • [23:14:35] <jay6981> especially on mmc/sd
  • [23:14:49] <beagleboard0923> 68 of 99 used says
  • [23:15:24] <ynezz> not that bad :)
  • [23:15:40] <mru> amount used is not that relevant
  • [23:15:44] <ynezz> missing the units, but it doesn't matter anyway
  • [23:15:51] <jay6981> why is it so slow? cache misses?
  • [23:15:57] <beagleboard0923> *MB
  • [23:17:26] <mru> can you describe the slowness?
  • [23:17:26] <beagleboard0923> opening package manager or any program, slow to open
  • [23:17:26] <jay6981> define slow
  • [23:17:26] <jay6981> are you expecting it to work like a nehalem?
  • [23:17:26] <ynezz> gentlemans, ubuntu on c5?
  • [23:17:26] <beagleboard0923> no, better than a p4 :/
  • [23:17:26] <jay6981> i dunno about better than a p4
  • [23:17:26] <mru> run 'vmstat 1' and check if it's swapping
  • [23:17:26] <jay6981> i think your expectations are off
  • [23:18:07] <jay6981> the thing only pulls 250mA, how much work could it really be doing? :P
  • [23:18:15] <beagleboard0923> ok now what am i looking for
  • [23:18:21] <ynezz> i5?
  • [23:18:38] <beagleboard0923> i7 next year?
  • [23:18:40] <jay6981> si and so should be zero
  • [23:19:40] <beagleboard0923> iit is
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  • [23:20:00] <beagleboard0923> once in a blue moon a number appears
  • [23:20:18] <mru> run this while doing something you think should be faster
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  • [23:20:35] <samm> please someone help me set up beaglebone ubuntu
  • [23:20:40] <samm> i swear i am super close
  • [23:20:52] <beagleboard0923> wowwww
  • [23:20:54] <jay6981> og p4 was 1.3ghz, 256kb l2
  • [23:20:57] <beagleboard0923> now it's brokenn
  • [23:21:06] <jay6981> 51.6 watts!
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  • [23:21:23] <beagleboard0923> so is spitting 400-900
  • [23:21:35] <jay6981> so it's swapping like crazy
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  • [23:22:15] <samm> anyone?
  • [23:22:30] <mru> beagleboard0923: si and so are in the 400-900 range?
  • [23:22:43] <beagleboard0923> just so is
  • [23:22:49] <mru> not good
  • [23:22:53] <beagleboard0923> upon starting firefox
  • [23:22:57] <jay6981> it's out of ram
  • [23:23:06] <mru> firefox lol
  • [23:23:09] <beagleboard0923> i told you this this is turtle slow :p
  • [23:23:12] <mru> that beast needs at least 4GB
  • [23:23:28] <ynezz> firelinks
  • [23:24:00] <jay6981> firefox is one of the biggest memory hogs out there
  • [23:24:08] <jay6981> try opera or something, at least
  • [23:24:33] <jay6981> my laptop has 8 gigs of ram. 4gb of that is for chrome
  • [23:24:59] <ynezz> hm, many tabs with pron probably :)
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  • [23:25:15] <mru> my main machine has 24GB
  • [23:25:21] <samm> after loading the beaglebone ubuntu image (which seemed to work perfectly) I cannot login, nothing happens when I do "sudo screen /dev/ttyUSB1 115200" just cursor and blank screen..
  • [23:25:27] <mru> that's enough to keep it from thrashing
  • [23:25:29] <mru> 12GB wasn't
  • [23:25:35] <beagleboard0923> lol i wanted to turn this into a car project
  • [23:25:44] <jay6981> heh that's quite a workload
  • [23:25:55] <beagleboard0923> guess too slow for me so what about a ftp and dlna server and some http?
  • [23:26:03] <jay6981> beagleboard0923: get a machine with more ram or use more efficient software
  • [23:28:09] <beagleboard0923> mmmmmmm
  • [23:32:43] <jay6981> samm: check your serial cable/connectors
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  • [23:40:08] <samm> jay are you still there?
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  • [23:40:53] <samm> I am a total newb at this, at the minute I think I have a working sd card, but I am unsure on how I log into ubuntu.. at the moment I have the beaglebone
  • [23:41:05] <samm> attached to the pc through a usb and then to my router
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  • [23:41:43] <samm> I found out what ip address it is using and then tried to ssh to the root of that but it tells me I have the wrong password, basically I want it to just boot up in a terminal
  • [23:42:26] <samm> I found out it is attached to ttyUSB1 so I am doing this... sudo screen /dev/ttyUSB1 115200... but nothing happens
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