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  • [02:58:36] <bgamari> How does one long jump in thumb-2?
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  • [02:59:06] <bgamari> mru: ping
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  • [03:06:08] <jay6981> load a register with the address and move it to the pc?
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  • [03:40:42] <mrenouf> i got dropbear working
  • [03:40:56] <mrenouf> but i cant log in as root cause it wont except 'blank' as a password
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  • [03:54:24] <mrenouf> got it working
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  • [04:07:49] <Popeyes> anyone get login incorrect on narcissus angstrom build with xfce..works with console only builds
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  • [05:00:43] <composite> can beagleboard do everything beaglebone can do?
  • [05:04:35] <Popeyes> that's rather general
  • [05:04:53] <Popeyes> i'm new to this too but i thought beaglebone was supposed to be a BB stripped down
  • [05:05:10] <mrenouf> not quite
  • [05:05:27] <Popeyes> hey again
  • [05:05:36] <mrenouf> way more expandable, I/O breakout headers
  • [05:05:40] <Popeyes> there are some small hardware change
  • [05:05:56] <Popeyes> ok fair enough, i was referring more to the low level stuff..
  • [05:05:56] <mrenouf> its a diff CPU too, very close but different
  • [05:05:59] <Popeyes> forgot to consider that
  • [05:06:10] <Popeyes> one have different fpu or something?
  • [05:06:13] <mrenouf> no flash
  • [05:06:31] <Popeyes> no nand doesn't really mean it can't do any less does it
  • [05:06:40] <Popeyes> it's just a different method
  • [05:06:46] <mrenouf> am3359 vs. OMAP3530
  • [05:07:08] <mrenouf> I know, just mentioning the differences I know about
  • [05:07:16] <mrenouf> 512MB vs 1G (on xM)
  • [05:07:17] <Popeyes> my mistake, thought they were the same soc
  • [05:07:31] <mrenouf> slower clock
  • [05:07:36] <Popeyes> yes but
  • [05:07:37] <mrenouf> ~700Mhz vs 1Ghz
  • [05:07:46] <Popeyes> i think he asked if the beagleboard can't do something the beaglebone can..
  • [05:08:02] <Popeyes> not the reverse lol
  • [05:08:18] <mrenouf> it depends on the project
  • [05:08:38] <Popeyes> agreed though, the pin headers yea..missed that
  • [05:08:47] <mrenouf> if you want to wire up stuff, then the I/O headers might be the thing, otherwise nah
  • [05:08:50] <Popeyes> i'm still trying to get logged in with x11..not working
  • [05:09:47] <mrenouf> well I've got a 7.5MB rootfs that boots in <2s and I can ssh in. I just got htop and rsync on there as well. That's about all I need in userland.
  • [05:09:54] <mrenouf> Now to start kernel hacking
  • [05:10:46] <mrenouf> do you know anything about OpenOCD support?
  • [05:12:27] <mrenouf> more specifically, the JTAG over USB stuff
  • [05:15:38] <composite> my beagleboard is rev c4
  • [05:15:42] <composite> i saw node.js was available to install on beagleboard
  • [05:15:48] <composite> from narcissus image builder
  • [05:16:00] <Popeyes> less than 2 seconds hmm...
  • [05:16:16] <Popeyes> how the hell did u manage that
  • [05:16:46] <mrenouf> no udev, no sysvinit
  • [05:17:15] <composite> the pin headers on the beaglebone are probably level shifted to 3.3v or 5v
  • [05:17:23] <mrenouf> 3.3v
  • [05:17:26] <composite> ah
  • [05:19:59] <mrenouf> they're going for an arduino thing where there will be add-on boards that are plug n play
  • [05:20:16] <composite> yah...i think thats a great idea
  • [05:20:32] <mrenouf> each board has a ROM and the system can reconfigure the pins to what it needs on bootup
  • [05:21:07] <mrenouf> there's already a DVI board I think
  • [05:21:53] <composite> its got video out already
  • [05:22:01] <composite> built in
  • [05:22:09] <mrenouf> for beaglebone
  • [05:22:13] <composite> yah
  • [05:22:20] <mrenouf> no it doesnt
  • [05:22:26] <composite> o
  • [05:22:54] <mrenouf> ports are: usb host, usb gadget, microsd, rj45, and DC IN
  • [05:23:00] <thurbad> I didn't see a video out in the ref manual for the bone...
  • [05:23:13] <thurbad> don't have one, so I can't say with certainty
  • [05:23:39] <mrenouf> there's a detailed hardware reference manual
  • [05:23:44] <mrenouf> but I also have one right here
  • [05:24:01] <mrenouf> http://boardzoo.com/product_info.php?products_id=86
  • [05:24:29] <mrenouf> HDMI out
  • [05:24:36] <mrenouf> (addon)
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  • [05:27:58] <Popeyes> hey mrenouf, do you know how to get rid of all the unecessary stuff from the linux-omap git
  • [05:28:13] <Popeyes> like you said udev is pretty heavyweight
  • [05:28:38] <mrenouf> it was a manual process
  • [05:28:40] <Popeyes> arm-linux-gnueabi-g++ with make file and defconfig's. I imagine it would be in the defconfig?
  • [05:28:56] <Popeyes> care to elaborate?
  • [05:29:06] <mrenouf> well, i enabled devtmpfs in the kernel
  • [05:29:15] <mrenouf> that takes over /dev
  • [05:29:50] <Popeyes> interesting
  • [05:29:50] <mrenouf> the rest I built up from scratch mostly. just build busybox, and dropbear (ssh) and a few other little tools
  • [05:30:07] <mrenouf> my startup script just does a few things
  • [05:30:34] <mrenouf> this wouldn't be suitable for general use
  • [05:30:53] <Popeyes> i'm sure it wouldn't
  • [05:31:20] <Popeyes> there are just so many things i don't need in the linux-omap driver and i'm pretty new to this whole kernel hacking scene
  • [05:31:40] <Popeyes> evidence by the huge devconfig with stuff i don't need
  • [05:31:48] <mrenouf> by 'linux-omap driver' are you referring to the kernel?
  • [05:32:12] <mrenouf> I didn't take much out of the kernel config
  • [05:32:33] <mrenouf> except disabled video, sound, framebuffer
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  • [05:33:06] <mrenouf> it's tons of trial and error unfortunately
  • [05:33:58] <mrenouf> i would stick with what you have, it's fairly lean already. if you want to boot into desktop then its going to take the extra time
  • [05:34:05] <Popeyes> did i say driver
  • [05:34:25] <Popeyes> lol sorry i'm trying to figure out how to find this driver right now
  • [05:35:16] <Popeyes> yea my kernel stuff is around 10 seconds. to gui isn't much longer for console only
  • [05:35:21] <Popeyes> x11 tho
  • [05:35:22] <Popeyes> heh
  • [05:35:35] <Popeyes> about a minute or 2
  • [05:40:24] <mrenouf> yep. thats about right
  • [05:41:12] <mrenouf> could could probably get it to under a minute with lots of careful tweaks and trimming
  • [05:41:40] <mrenouf> I would start with only X, and some minimal wm like fvwm
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  • [05:47:25] <Popeyes> i tried out the matchbox package
  • [05:47:35] <Popeyes> that works
  • [05:47:47] <Popeyes> but no root access through that wm
  • [05:48:16] <Popeyes> i jsut don't see how console only will work but with any wm it just doesn't let me log in
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  • [05:53:39] <Popeyes> mrenouf..that was interesting..my network decided to kill itself;
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  • [06:00:55] <Popeyes> anyway you mentioned fvwm; i know this is going to be a bit ignorant but how would I go about getting it compiled for arm then installing the package
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  • [06:16:12] <mrenouf> compiling it yourself is too much to explain over IRC, but you could try pulling a package from debian
  • [06:16:28] <mrenouf> thats what I do for a lot of stuff
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  • [07:00:27] <doublebeta> Heya
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  • [07:03:27] <doublebeta> Has anyone obtained more information from TI on the OMAP5 series? Despite there being a working devkit (for internal use???), they don't release technical info. I doubt this stuff hasn't been written yet.
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  • [07:07:32] <_av500_> too early
  • [07:08:08] <doublebeta> Yeah :<
  • [07:08:58] <doublebeta> How quick does TI expect business to move though? If things are expected to be in devices by the third quarter, TI must be working with companies in 'secret'
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  • [07:10:05] <dm8tbr> like they always do
  • [07:10:11] <_av500_> omg, secrets
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  • [07:16:54] <doublebeta> I actually enclosed it in quotes to show I wasn't being paranoid or suggesting dodgy business. But I suppose it went the other way.
  • [07:26:52] * _av500_ makes note "doublebeta, not paranoid"
  • [07:28:54] * doublebeta coughs.
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  • [09:26:08] <etheretic1> woo.
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  • [09:35:09] <_av500_> free energy?
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  • [09:51:27] <etheretic1> any day now.
  • [09:52:39] <etheretic1> as you well know, having prototypes /= mass production.
  • [09:53:57] <_av500_> right
  • [09:54:07] <_av500_> chosing a color scheme is tough
  • [09:56:52] <relax> where do the camera data ports map to on the os? (ie how gpio pins map under /dev
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  • [10:03:01] <_av500_> they dont
  • [10:03:08] <_av500_> unless you write a driver for it
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  • [10:14:37] <_av500_> oops, wrong channel
  • [10:14:48] <_av500_> relax: they would be in /dev/videoX
  • [10:14:57] <_av500_> as in v4l2
  • [10:15:12] <_av500_> assuming there is a driver of course
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  • [10:24:25] <relax> have other members of community managed to get other cameras working via hacking the aptina drivers?
  • [10:54:50] <aholler_> /
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  • [11:32:25] <etheretic1> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-16754531 - distinctly Fortean.
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  • [12:45:56] <Guest62186> i saw 3 diff windows last time
  • [12:46:05] <Guest62186> like beagleboard
  • [12:46:22] <Guest62186> beaglebone
  • [12:46:22] <Guest62186> and beagle
  • [12:46:28] <Guest62186> wat happ y are those closed in IRC?
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  • [15:22:00] <mrenouf> yo
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  • [17:01:43] <_av500_> bro
  • [17:05:23] <dm8tbr> sup
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  • [17:46:02] <etheretic1> not much. what i typed 6 hours ago is still on screen.
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  • [19:12:06] <Esmil> Hello
  • [19:12:57] <Esmil> Which are the recommended kernel sources? github.org/beagleboard/linux and which branch?
  • [19:13:09] <Esmil> ..or somewhere else perhaps
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  • [20:02:57] <dwery> Esmil: I'm using https://github.com/beagleboard/linux.git branch v3.1-meta-ti-r2f+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29
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  • [20:11:35] <Esmil> dwery: Cool, thanks
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  • [20:30:02] <felipealmeida> Hello, I'm using latest angstrom version and I'm getting the following error when loading omap3-sgx-modules: PVR_K: (FAIL) SGXInit: Incompatible HW core rev (10205) and SW core rev (10201).
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  • [20:58:41] <mattzz> Hi, quick question: Does anybody know how to I disable g_mass_storage on the beagle(bone) angstrom image? I want it to bring up the g_ether immediatly after booting w/o having to eject the mass storage device on the host machine.
  • [20:59:20] <mattzz> (uh, sorry for the typos)
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  • [21:01:55] <tasslehoff> mattzz: been a while since I played with that, but I seem to recall there's a config file that sets the default.
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  • [21:03:09] <mattzz> tasslehoff: thanks, I tried blacklisting g_mass_storage but that did not help. I'll keep searching for that config file ;)
  • [21:03:23] <tasslehoff> usb-gadget.conf maybe
  • [21:03:47] <tasslehoff> mattzz: perhaps http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded/tree/recipes/usb-gadget-mode/usb-gadget-mode.bb?id=a7756ec75b735de3900627f7786a74f9d91d3971 points you to some of the files you need
  • [21:05:23] <mattzz> tasslehoff: Ah, thanks a lot. That will definitely help. Appreciate it.
  • [21:06:15] * etheretic1 observes (as a non-programmer/hw hacker who sees a certain morally righteous commercial potential in the bb hw/community) that the bb faq is a hard hat area, apparently.
  • [21:08:03] <etheretic1> (i.e morphing like an altarian changeloid-on-metasteroids)
  • [21:09:19] <mattzz> tasslehoff: found ./lib/systemd/system/storage-gadget-init.service. (A brute force 'find / -name "*gadget*" -print' helped...)
  • [21:11:28] <etheretic1> Project: An OpenCPN/Linux-based navigation/sensor control- and monitoring system that'll blast the pants off more commercial offerings.
  • [21:11:33] <felipealmeida> Hello, I'm using latest angstrom version and I'm getting the following error when loading omap3-sgx-modules: PVR_K: (FAIL) SGXInit: Incompatible HW core rev (10205) and SW core rev (10201).
  • [21:14:02] <tasslehoff> mattzz: ah, yeah. forgot that systemd has replaced sysvinit :)
  • [21:14:47] <mattzz> ah, good old sysvinit days... Now off to the manpages of systemd.
  • [21:16:39] <etheretic1> felipealmeida: appears to be a version issue according to http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2011-07-11 . just a guess.
  • [21:18:14] <felipealmeida> etheretic1: thanks
  • [21:19:16] <etheretic1> felipealmeida: search.yippy.com is my friend.
  • [21:20:09] <etheretic1> beats scroogle/google as to actual usefulness.
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  • [21:21:08] <etheretic1> did the log answer your q?
  • [21:21:52] <felipealmeida> etheretic1: I don't think so. But I think I may have found the issue
  • [21:22:22] <felipealmeida> The libgles-omap3_4.05.00.03.bb recipe has the following instruction: BINLOCATION_omap3 = "${S}/gfx_rel_es3.x"
  • [21:22:31] <felipealmeida> And beagleboard xM uses ES 5.0
  • [21:23:10] <etheretic1> good. what are you up to with the bb? nature of project?
  • [21:23:25] <felipealmeida> search.yippy.com is unavailable to me
  • [21:23:43] <felipealmeida> etheretic1: I just want to run angstrom from master branch.
  • [21:24:02] <felipealmeida> the project actually is just a program that uses directfb 1.6 (from linaro with ARM NEON patches) over ansgtrom
  • [21:24:06] <felipealmeida> angstrom
  • [21:24:29] <felipealmeida> I'm using the gfxdriver omap, and so I needed the omapfb driver
  • [21:25:01] <etheretic1> felipealmeida: it's quantum to me. 8)
  • [21:25:06] <felipealmeida> lol
  • [21:27:18] <etheretic1> i used to use acorn (arm-based) comps for graphic design and layout in the 90's, and were involved in the network computer flop.
  • [21:28:49] <etheretic1> so i became very excited to see an arm design being the engine in an open-hardware project.
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  • [21:41:52] <mrenouf> etheretic1, that and about 95% of the mobile phone and tablet industry
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  • [21:42:51] <etheretic1> mrenouf: aye. wilson and furber are gods. 8)
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  • [21:43:44] <etheretic1> whatever hapoened to amulet, the asynchrounous arm?
  • [21:44:43] <etheretic1> (big powersaving issue)
  • [21:46:58] <mru> I guess it hit some issue that made it unpractical and they incorporated some things they learned into more normal designs
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  • [21:47:46] * mru doesn't feel like digging through the corporate document archives today
  • [21:49:03] <etheretic1> mru: http://apt.cs.man.ac.uk/people/sfurber/
  • [21:51:07] <mattzz> brb...
  • [21:51:16] <etheretic1> links to http://apt.cs.man.ac.uk/projects/processors/amulet/ which yields http://apt.cs.man.ac.uk/projects/processors/amulet/AMULET3i.php .it became quiet over 10 years ago.
  • [21:51:52] <mru> yes, presumably because there are some non-obvious problems with it
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  • [21:53:19] <etheretic1> "Extensive testing of AMULET3i has revealed only two bugs and simple patches have been identified for both of these."
  • [21:53:41] <mru> that's not the kind of problems I meant
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  • [21:54:08] <etheretic1> what, then?
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  • [21:54:13] <mru> there could be problems with high-volume fabrication, interfacing with other things, sensitivity to interference, just about anything
  • [21:54:44] <mru> or simply that regular, clocked cores surpassed it
  • [21:54:58] <mru> it's a neat idea, it was probably worth exploring it
  • [21:55:02] <etheretic1> your 2nd point sounds the likeliest, if any.
  • [21:56:17] <mru> modern cores are very asynchronous too, btw
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  • [21:56:52] <mru> and extensive clock gating means unused parts use very little power
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  • [21:59:57] <etheretic1> as long as one is dealing with electrons and not photons, interference will be an issue at the macro-quantum level. but the async-ness of the amulet is "neural" in a way, much like oure brains work. we're not known for short-circuiting. 8)
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  • [22:01:01] <etheretic1> snaakje: 'evenin'.
  • [22:01:11] <snaakje> Mornin', eth :)
  • [22:01:17] <snaakje> Went to the boat today.
  • [22:01:24] <snaakje> Ff'in cold!
  • [22:01:31] <etheretic1> how is she?
  • [22:01:32] <snaakje> On flipflops and without socks.
  • [22:01:35] <snaakje> White.
  • [22:01:38] <snaakje> :)
  • [22:01:43] <etheretic1> snow?
  • [22:01:45] <mru> that cold
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  • [22:08:40] <AnathaeOMC> anyone familiar with the beaglebone and it's expansion port capabilities?
  • [22:10:21] <AnathaeOMC> the 15 mm square version of the am3359 and am3358 has a two port 10/100/1000 ethernet switch on it. Is it possible to add a second phy to the board using a cape?
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  • [22:12:35] <mru> hmm, I don't know what the cape-abilities of the board are
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  • [22:21:26] <aholler> etheretic1: where do you get all those sayings from yhou throw around here?
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  • [22:22:04] <etheretic1> er... sources.
  • [22:22:29] <mru> highly reliable sources
  • [22:22:31] <etheretic1> is it dnc to u?
  • [22:22:32] <aholler> I guess too much time, buy a bb and go on building the sw, that will need much more time than the hw
  • [22:22:41] <mru> sources who'll gladly tell you there's free energy to be had
  • [22:24:17] <etheretic1> mru: well in banking, 1+1=whatever-they-want-it-to-be so who's to say "they" don't dictate "reality"?
  • [22:25:14] <mru> oh, you mean like this: http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_singlefile.html
  • [22:27:02] <mattzz> Back to BB: any systemd wizzards around? I systemctl disabled a servie, I linked the service to /dev/null in basic.target.wants. Damn g_mass_storage keeps beeing loaded on reboot.
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  • [22:33:09] <mattzz> What is the proper way to blacklist a kernel module (i.e. prevent auto loading) in angstrom?
  • [22:33:38] <mru> I'm sure deleting it will do the trick
  • [22:33:51] <mru> if you don't want it, don't build it
  • [22:35:29] <mattzz> well, I want the module but I dont like it to be autoloaded on boot. g_mass_storage might be handy at some point but it annoys me on boot-up because it prevents g_ether from being loaded at boot time.
  • [22:35:55] <aholler> that is surely not autoloaded
  • [22:36:06] <aholler> so grep in etc what loads it
  • [22:37:17] <mattzz> My guess was that systemd loads it. noting in etc about storage
  • [22:38:16] <mattzz> again, I'm using the demo image of anstrom for bb
  • [22:39:03] <aholler> even if systemd loads it, something instructs it to do so. But maybe systemd uses a binary config ;)
  • [22:39:43] <aholler> search for g_ in /etc, there can't be that many
  • [22:40:20] <aholler> I assume it's a combined gadget with storage and ether
  • [22:42:19] <aholler> but maybe loading of that is hidden in an unnecessary initrd. don't know if angstrom uses such.
  • [22:42:45] <mattzz> nothing in /etc and /etc/* regarding storage. storage and ether are two separate kernel modules. I will try renaming the module just for fun.
  • [22:43:11] <aholler> I said grep for g_, not storage ;)
  • [22:44:02] <mattzz> g_ did not result in anything related to either storage or either.
  • [22:44:03] <aholler> there are distinct modules for everything and combined ones. I don't remember how the combined ones are called, I just know g_* ;)
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  • [22:45:56] <aholler> g_multi is it
  • [22:46:45] <mattzz> there are distinct .ko files in /lib/module for ether, storage etc.. g_multi is one of them.
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  • [22:50:49] <mattzz> ok, renaming did the trick. ugly solution, though... Kind of brute force
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  • [22:55:18] <mrenouf> Device refence manual mentions A/D converts on the BeagleBone, but I can't find mention of them in the AM335x manual. Anyone know what to look for in there?
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  • [22:55:46] <mrenouf> "Seven 100K sample per second A to D converters are available on the expansion header."
  • [22:56:21] <mru> they're probably part of the pmic
  • [22:56:58] <mrenouf> oh, found 'em, they're labelled AIN[0:6]
  • [22:57:08] <mrenouf> I bet, will keep diggin'
  • [23:00:14] <mrenouf> nope, those are pins on the am335x
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  • [23:06:38] <mrenouf> ahh, got it: 12-Bit Successive Approximation Register (SAR) AD
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  • [23:12:30] <mrenouf> It's part of the touchscreen controller
  • [23:12:42] <mrenouf> I have other uses in mind :-)
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