• [00:01:35] <ds2> <binary data="0000ffe2fef......."> <-- that's a good example of xml? :D
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  • [00:04:34] <Russ> it really depends on what the binary data is, if it isn't parsed by the application that receives the xml, then it isn't horrible
  • [00:05:17] <ds2> let's say that is an ini file saved out as a hex file ;)
  • [00:13:39] <Russ> then you fail, or as is done in industry, you just ship it
  • [00:14:14] <ds2> let's UUencode everything then stick them in XML ;)
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  • [01:31:30] <mranostay> CW... *shudders*
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  • [04:34:03] <emeb_mac> This town is becoming like a ghost town
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  • [04:46:37] <ds2> you moved down to tombstone?
  • [04:48:06] <emeb_mac> heh, or Jerome
  • [04:50:01] <jipi> ~~~~~
  • [04:53:03] <rlmccormick> arizona?
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  • [05:07:22] <ka6sox> Jerome? oh my
  • [05:07:31] <ka6sox> Apache Junction.
  • [05:20:24] <emeb_mac> Apache Jct is hardly a ghost town.
  • [05:20:52] <emeb_mac> for that matter neither are Tombstone or Jerome.
  • [05:23:24] <ds2> Tombstone is a special case
  • [05:24:19] <emeb_mac> more of a tourist trap
  • [05:24:51] <ds2> yep. been there.
  • [05:25:26] <emeb_mac> same here - actually sat through the OK Corral production. Cheeze!
  • [05:27:36] <emeb_mac> So - how long until 3.2 propatges to the Angstrom kernel? ;)
  • [05:27:50] <ds2> 4 scores and 7 years...
  • [05:28:44] <emeb_mac> ds2: still running out of GPIO?
  • [05:29:00] <ds2> got that mostly solved
  • [05:29:03] <ds2> routing problems
  • [05:29:05] <emeb_mac> nice
  • [05:29:15] <emeb_mac> how many layers?
  • [05:29:19] <ds2> trying to do a clean routing in 2layers so... :D
  • [05:29:29] <emeb_mac> that can be challenging
  • [05:29:33] <ds2> 100 more air wires to take care of
  • [05:30:03] <emeb_mac> what's the $$ penalty for 4 layers?
  • [05:30:32] <ds2> for proto, about 4x the costs (the cheap guys are all 2layers)... for production, not too much
  • [05:30:51] <emeb_mac> Yeah - that's the big problem.
  • [05:31:16] <emeb_mac> makes proto unreasonably expensive.
  • [05:31:45] <emeb_mac> Give it a few years and I'd imagine we'll see more parity.
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  • [05:32:09] <ds2> OTH, I already got mini bgas
  • [05:32:31] <emeb_mac> yoiks!
  • [05:32:39] <emeb_mac> bga on 2 layers!
  • [05:33:01] <ds2> it is a MINI bga (single ring of balls)
  • [05:33:17] <emeb_mac> Almost a QFN/CSP
  • [05:33:33] <emeb_mac> not so bad for routing
  • [05:33:34] <ds2> yep
  • [05:33:49] <ds2> the tricky part there is this is a sensor chip so it has all sorts of routing rules
  • [05:34:00] <ds2> even requires a ground ring around the BGA for signal quality
  • [05:34:08] <emeb_mac> not uncommon
  • [05:34:16] <emeb_mac> what's it sensing?
  • [05:34:37] <ds2> FIR
  • [05:34:46] <ds2> far infrared
  • [05:35:06] <emeb_mac> hmmm - what's the application for that?
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  • [05:36:18] <ds2> non contact temperature sensing is one
  • [05:36:31] <emeb_mac> that's what I was wondering.
  • [05:37:39] <emeb_mac> motion sensing too I'd guess.
  • [05:37:39] <ds2> that sensor is puny though
  • [05:37:51] <ds2> you can motion sense but it is overkill for that
  • [05:39:13] <emeb_mac> I2C?
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  • [05:39:34] <ds2> yep
  • [05:41:01] <emeb_mac> Sounds like you're building a tricorder.
  • [05:41:11] <snowrichard> i just looked at my beagle board with my glasses on and found the revision marking its a C3, so apparently got 256MB dram
  • [05:41:24] <snowrichard> web site said they were shipping c2
  • [05:41:44] <ds2> heheh, something like that :D
  • [05:41:52] <emeb_mac> ;)
  • [05:41:54] <ds2> the am33x is an industrial oriented processor
  • [05:42:06] <emeb_mac> snowrichard: who'd you get it from?
  • [05:42:35] <snowrichard> circuitco website boardzoo.com 39.95 plus 12.50 or so shipping
  • [05:42:50] <ka6sox> evening
  • [05:43:03] <emeb_mac> snowrichard: nice - didn't realize they were shipping the old ones again. Out of stock for a while.
  • [05:43:04] <ds2> I'd avoid them and go with standard Digikey
  • [05:43:54] <snowrichard> well i hooked it up to my hdmi input on my tv and applied the 5v wall wart power and got color on the video so it seems to be working
  • [05:43:59] <emeb_mac> snowrichard: but I'm pretty sure the C2 had 256K also
  • [05:44:07] <emeb_mac> at least mine does...
  • [05:44:15] <Russ> M?
  • [05:44:16] <ds2> I have a C4 with 128M ;)
  • [05:44:20] <snowrichard> i don't have my sd card reader for the pc yet so can't make boot image
  • [05:44:33] <Russ> My poor Bx only has 128M
  • [05:44:36] <emeb_mac> ds2: how'd you manage that?
  • [05:45:19] <snowrichard> those parts were in dallas yesterday morning
  • [05:45:24] <snowrichard> 150 miles away
  • [05:45:29] <ds2> emeb_mac: 128M chips are easier to get
  • [05:46:13] <emeb_mac> ds2: special build?
  • [05:46:22] <ds2> *nod*
  • [05:46:35] <ds2> rePOP'ing actually
  • [05:47:23] <emeb_mac> sounds like a nuisance.
  • [05:47:27] <snowrichard> getting a usb hub, usb - ethernet adapter, and pc sd card usb adapter in the mail in a few days
  • [05:47:33] <emeb_mac> ka6sox: heya
  • [05:48:29] <emeb_mac> snowrichard: good luck with that. I've had a lot of issues with the USB host port on my C2.
  • [05:48:42] <emeb_mac> don't recall if the C3 fixed that or not.
  • [05:49:03] <emeb_mac> I've got a wifi dongle that works in it OK, but hubs have caused a lot of problems.
  • [05:49:24] <snowrichard> hopefully its powered hub
  • [05:49:35] <snowrichard> have to go back on geeks.com and check
  • [05:50:24] <emeb_mac> snowrichard: wasn't so much the powered/unpowered as that the C2 had a power decoupling issue on the VCC line to the USB host PHY.
  • [05:50:32] <ds2> beware of cheap hubs.
  • [05:50:52] <emeb_mac> I think that in later spins they rerouted the power to the PHY and fixed that.
  • [05:52:03] <ds2> they moved it to a seperate LDO
  • [05:53:17] <snowrichard> even if this stuff comes in tommorrow i can't play with it till tommorrow evening cause i have an 11:30 drs appt
  • [05:53:24] <snowrichard> out of town
  • [05:53:32] <emeb_mac> toys must wait
  • [05:53:48] <snowrichard> been waiting for this appointment since summer time
  • [05:54:00] <snowrichard> VA is horrible in getting appointments schedules
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  • [05:55:45] <ka6sox> emeb_mac, boy is that the truth...
  • [05:56:15] <snowrichard> my dad's uncle worked at TI for years, his name is on the calculator patent for the first calculator they had, jerry merryman
  • [05:56:20] <emeb_mac> wow - $39.95 for a C3. boggles the mind.
  • [05:56:28] <snowrichard> and an ink jet printer nozzle patent
  • [05:57:01] <emeb_mac> ka6sox: still out amongst the windmill of Tehachapi?
  • [05:58:56] <ka6sox> yes, unfortunately
  • [05:59:13] <ka6sox> but at least I am back out of the cold boxes into something warm.
  • [05:59:27] <snowrichard> i'm in a dead zone for internet, can't get cable or dsl here, so i'm on satellite
  • [05:59:53] <emeb_mac> ka6sox: what you working on out there?
  • [06:00:35] <ka6sox> DAB and DVB stuffs...
  • [06:01:27] <ds2> ka6sox: how cold is tehachapi now?
  • [06:01:46] <snowrichard> have no idea where that is
  • [06:01:46] <ka6sox> 40's now
  • [06:01:55] <_av500_> DAB?
  • [06:02:16] <emeb_mac> snowrichard: east of Bakersfield CA
  • [06:02:16] * ka6sox wonders if av500 ever sleeps.
  • [06:02:24] <_av500_> ka6sox: just woke up
  • [06:02:35] <dm8tbr> ka6sox: some say he's a bot and triggered by keywords
  • [06:02:48] <ds2> 40's not bad
  • [06:02:58] * emeb_mac woke up at 5:30 AM to check out the Quadrantids. No joy, but did see a polar satellite.
  • [06:03:06] <ds2> lots of cheap places to stay out there
  • [06:03:36] <snowrichard> real estate pretty cheap here
  • [06:03:48] <snowrichard> can still get a decent house under 100K
  • [06:04:11] <snowrichard> or a slum for 20K
  • [06:04:13] <snowrichard> lol
  • [06:04:23] <ka6sox> av500, yes, DAB and DVB
  • [06:04:23] <_av500_> lolslum?
  • [06:04:25] <emeb_mac> "fixer-upper"
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  • [06:04:50] <ka6sox> not nearly as well done on the audio side.
  • [06:04:52] <_av500_> ka6sox: DAB being used in the US?
  • [06:05:28] <_av500_> its dying a slow death over here in .de
  • [06:05:46] <xenland> Any one have an Idea on how to use the uLCD-32PT with the Beaglebone? I have it powered up already, I'm curious as to what programming language and what commands should be involved when talking with one of these displays aswell.
  • [06:05:51] <snowrichard> digital audio broadcast? just guessing
  • [06:05:57] <_av500_> yes
  • [06:06:24] <_av500_> xenland: C is a nice language
  • [06:06:29] <dm8tbr> well there are some variants like DMB and DAB2 or so, but nothing seems to get traction
  • [06:06:35] <ds2> uLCD-32PT? got a link?
  • [06:06:39] <_av500_> they even wrote the kernel in C
  • [06:06:43] <xenland> sure give me a minute
  • [06:06:57] <snowrichard> some tiny bits in assembler
  • [06:07:05] <_av500_> dm8tbr: FM shutoff was just postponed to 2025 :)
  • [06:07:06] <xenland> I figured C would be good or the NodeJS that comes with the bealgebone using the Angstrom LInux
  • [06:07:17] <ka6sox> av500, dm8tbr same here...no traction.
  • [06:07:17] <dm8tbr> _av500_: haha :)
  • [06:07:22] <xenland> I'm having issues figuring out how to send commmands back and forth
  • [06:07:42] <ds2> C is always good
  • [06:07:49] <xenland> http://www.4dsystems.com.au/prod.php?id=114
  • [06:07:49] <emeb_mac> yay C
  • [06:08:18] <ds2> Oh those 4D system things...
  • [06:08:27] <ds2> think they go through the UART, IIRC
  • [06:08:29] <_av500_> ah, its smart
  • [06:08:51] <xenland> i have the tx hooked up to the UART1_RX
  • [06:08:53] <_av500_> teach it to do it by itself
  • [06:08:56] <snowrichard> i'm gonna use my tv for display for the time being
  • [06:09:00] <xenland> and then the rx hooked up to the UART1_TX
  • [06:09:07] <_av500_> wrong
  • [06:09:11] <_av500_> tx goes to rx
  • [06:09:14] <_av500_> and rx to tx
  • [06:09:22] <_av500_> tx not being texas :)
  • [06:09:22] <ds2> is it 3.3V?
  • [06:09:25] <xenland> thats what i said?
  • [06:09:29] <ds2> _av500_: eh?
  • [06:09:39] <_av500_> xenland: yes, but i am not awake :)
  • [06:09:40] <emeb_mac> nothings sure but death in texas?
  • [06:09:46] <xenland> ds2 the pins are 5v tolernt
  • [06:10:14] <ds2> xenland: no, is the module running at 3.3V? the bone is _NOT_ 5V tolerant by itself
  • [06:10:29] <_av500_> xenland: well, then open() the uart port and talk to it
  • [06:10:46] <_av500_> usual linux serial stuff applies
  • [06:11:14] <xenland> the LCD display says it can work up to 3.3v for the tx and rx pins but its power supply is 4v to 5.5v with a suggested rating of 5v
  • [06:11:34] <xenland> the LCD display says it can work up to 5v pins *
  • [06:11:45] * _av500_ goes for a wild tram ride
  • [06:12:11] <xenland> I'm using an arduino mega to power the LCD display btw
  • [06:12:20] <xenland> it has 5v on it
  • [06:12:24] <ds2> xenland: be careful there.... it sounds like it will output 5V and fry stuff
  • [06:12:53] <_av500_> ds2: but you can go to Fry's for more stuff then
  • [06:12:54] <xenland> ds2: thanks for your concern - i've been running it for an hour now and nothing is hot
  • [06:13:08] <snowrichard> i got a couple arduinos laying around, a mega and and an uno
  • [06:13:24] <ds2> xenland: depends on duty cycle of the lines
  • [06:13:37] <xenland> hmm duty cycles are new to me
  • [06:13:55] <ds2> it might have protection diodes that are getting turned on so if you do that too much, it goes toasty
  • [06:14:13] <_av500_> tasty
  • [06:15:00] <xenland> So in C anyone have a clue on how to use UART1 pins as far as talking to this display?
  • [06:15:34] <dm8tbr> the display didn't come with example code?
  • [06:15:34] <ds2> open( "/dev/ttyO0", O_RDWR ); write(fd, foo, count);?
  • [06:16:50] <xenland> dm8tbr: It comes with an API and documention but only for the board it self. Nothing with Linux or beaglebone specific. I emailed them and asked on their forums they replied and said they don't know anything about the beaglebone and then asked me if i would like to write drivers for them - that just goes to show you they don't provide much
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  • [06:17:25] <xenland> thanks ds2 I'll try that.
  • [06:18:39] <ds2> you might have to set the baudrate, etc
  • [06:18:53] <ds2> use stty on the command line before hand for a quick hack
  • [06:20:04] <dm8tbr> xenland: generic linux code would be just fine
  • [06:20:18] <dm8tbr> xenland: there is not much 'beagle(bone)' specific
  • [06:20:27] <ds2> well.....
  • [06:20:39] <ds2> ttyO0 is bone specific
  • [06:21:20] <xenland> I guess i assume that because they are connected though pins 26 and 24 then linux wouldn't detect that or somthing - I grew up on windows 98 so its hard to remember that linux dosen't require drivers for things to connect to it right away
  • [06:21:39] <ds2> windows does not need drivers either
  • [06:21:50] <ds2> open("COM1:", O_RDWR )
  • [06:24:43] <xenland> open( "/dev/ttyO0", O_RDWR ); write(fd, foo, count); <---- That code is C or BAsh? its not working in the Angstrom terminal
  • [06:24:59] <ds2> sigh
  • [06:25:02] <ds2> I give up.
  • [06:25:18] <emeb_mac> what's bugging you?
  • [06:25:22] <dm8tbr> well ttyO0 would typically be config and not code :)
  • [06:26:36] <xenland> oh yeah that makes perfect sense! :D
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  • [06:30:19] <xenland> So you guys are ehh linux pros then ehh?
  • [06:30:52] <ds2> no, we are rank amateurs
  • [06:31:25] <ka6sox> I resemble that remark.
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  • [06:31:47] <Russ> I'm keeping my amateur status so I can linux in the olympics
  • [06:32:12] <emeb_mac> I believe there was a big discussion of professionalism a while back :)
  • [06:32:22] <ds2> hahahahahhaha
  • [06:32:26] <ka6sox> thats an -ism
  • [06:33:52] <xenland> heh
  • [06:34:21] <emeb_mac> it was epic. doors slamming, epithets hurled.
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  • [06:47:24] <Russ> emeb_mac, I really need to switch jobs
  • [06:47:44] <Russ> there was a guy who threw chairs at my last job though, that was awesome.
  • [06:47:45] <emeb_mac> to what
  • [06:48:02] <Russ> I job where people slam door, hurl epithets
  • [06:48:17] <Russ> preferably about something like reproducibility
  • [06:48:41] <emeb_mac> hah - but that was here on this channel.
  • [06:49:17] <emeb_mac> some drive-by n00b who was displeased with the seriousness with which we took his questions.
  • [06:49:38] <ka6sox> a driveby?
  • [06:50:23] <emeb_mac> OK - a little longer. Actually lasted a good 1/2 hour or so IIRC
  • [06:53:17] <Russ> wow, really professional sony store, I'm running firefox 10, but my web browser is outdated (Maybe it is sorting the version number lexographically)
  • [06:58:34] <emeb_mac> g'nighty
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  • [07:04:59] <av500> pah, professionals
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  • [08:34:45] <av500> hmm, my 1999 embedded project builds in 0.974s these days :)
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  • [10:11:52] <[IDC]Dragon> hi there, does somebody know how to pair bluetooth devices from the (board) command line?
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  • [10:12:31] <[IDC]Dragon> google fails for me, I only find references to desktop tools
  • [10:16:45] <dm8tbr> [IDC]Dragon: there are ways, yes, several IIRC. the gentoo wiki had some basic stuff. but there is also some gsoc project that produced some nice software for cli use
  • [10:17:49] <[IDC]Dragon> or even file level would be fine
  • [10:19:38] <aholler> [IDC]Dragon: install bluez-tools
  • [10:20:16] <aholler> not sure which distributions already have a package for it
  • [10:20:42] <[IDC]Dragon> what tool are you about to refer to?
  • [10:21:29] <[IDC]Dragon> I have some bluez stuff compiled
  • [10:21:39] <aholler> git clone git://gitorious.org/bluez-tools/bluez-tools.git
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  • [11:20:52] <Mare13h> Hi all
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  • [11:52:49] <FlameGod> Hello. Can somebody please give me a hint how to activate UART2 on beaglebone? I just can't find any documentation on that. Should i mess with the U-Boot for that?
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  • [12:11:37] <mdp> FlameGod: check that pinmux is configured for it. You can look at the example of uart3 being configured for the EVM that's in the board file.
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  • [12:13:51] <FlameGod> mdp: could u please give me some more info where i can get that example?
  • [12:14:27] <mdp> kernel arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-am335xevm.c:uart3_init()
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  • [12:18:31] <FlameGod> thank's for the info, i will have a look at it
  • [12:19:17] <mdp> FlameGod: try to ignore the fact that the EVM and code are woefully overcomplicated compared to the bone..but just look at the end point of having to set the pinmux correctly
  • [12:19:45] <mdp> np, check the trm/datasheet versus the bone srm pinout and get the uart2 pins avaialble configured properly
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  • [12:22:15] <FlameGod> so actually i will have to do a patch for the actual beaglebone kernel and recompile it?
  • [12:24:29] <mdp> yes
  • [12:25:25] <FlameGod> ok, thx
  • [12:25:39] <mdp> but that can be fun, fulfilling, and justify an early drink :)
  • [12:25:58] <FlameGod> hehe :)
  • [12:26:54] <FlameGod> i just need to understand that bitbake system ... atm it's just like magic for me
  • [12:27:04] <FlameGod> i don't even know where i have to look for kernel sources
  • [12:27:35] <mdp> eventually it'll be possible to adjust most of these things by changing the DT blob and passing that in..but that's a ways off
  • [12:28:40] <mdp> hrm, my recommendation is to pull out your kernel tree and build separately
  • [12:29:07] <mdp> I don't know of anybody that does kernel devel inside of OE due to the needless overhead of bitbake scanning everything
  • [12:32:50] <FlameGod> ok, i'm just a kinda new to embedded world, so i haven't done cross-compiling yet
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  • [12:33:34] <aholler> why use bitfoo at all to build a kernel?
  • [12:33:40] <mdp> hrm, trying to think of the best starting resource for you then
  • [12:33:59] <mdp> you want to grab an angstrom standalone cross toolchain..I'll grab you a link for that
  • [12:34:17] <mdp> and I notice that the link on beagleboard.org/bone to kernel sources is woefully out of date
  • [12:34:28] <mdp> I can berate jkridner about that
  • [12:34:45] <mdp> aholler, yeah, that's what I'm trying to steer him away from atm :)
  • [12:36:13] <mdp> I know koen seems to prefer just keeping the kernel current by slapping patches into meta-ti so there may not be a real git tree
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  • [12:36:30] <aholler> the topic sources for u-boot/kernel is hot since several years
  • [12:36:52] <aholler> that will never change ;)
  • [12:37:49] <mdp> well, and those of us that do kernel development mostly had a disagreement internally about this model of having an OE tree as "upstream" for kernel support
  • [12:38:15] <mdp> fundamentally flawed
  • [12:38:30] <aholler> beagleboard.org should point people to a git a the configs, job done ;)
  • [12:38:35] <mdp> yep
  • [12:39:00] <mdp> now FlameGod sits here with no good way to grab a kernel tree, recompile, and make progress
  • [12:39:54] <FlameGod> so if u understood you right, the beagleboard linux tree at github isn't the actual one?
  • [12:41:01] <mdp> FlameGod: I was just browsing the meta-ti branch commits for that tree and I see koen last pulled a commit from my github tree on december 11..I can't believe that's the latest stuff used to build those prebuilt images
  • [12:41:49] <mdp> https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/tree/v3.1-meta-ti-r2f+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29d
  • [12:42:47] <mdp> maybe it is..looks like he populated a raft of patches on that branch
  • [12:43:28] <av500> mdp: its like with the spoon, there is not git tree
  • [12:43:35] <av500> no*
  • [12:44:23] <mdp> heh
  • [12:44:47] <mdp> FlameGod: so anyway, go read http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/, grab one of those to get your toolchain set up
  • [12:45:10] <mdp> FlameGod: try cloning the branch I linked above and building that
  • [12:45:16] <FlameGod> thx
  • [12:45:50] <FlameGod> could you please point me to board-am335xevm.c? i couldn't find it
  • [12:46:17] <mdp> I'll ask nicely around here if maybe somebody would consider updating that section to give a jumpstart of how to rebuild the kernel in this context???they should know lots of beginners will be grabbing this board
  • [12:46:37] <mdp> althought interesting, I'm stuck working on an antique kernel driver atm :P
  • [12:47:05] <av500> http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/
  • [12:47:14] <av500> koen would quote that link ^^^
  • [12:48:08] <mdp> https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/blob/v3.1-meta-ti-r2f+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29d/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-am335xevm.c#L1001
  • [12:48:52] <mdp> av500, lol..yes, there was time when Tartarus tried to convince me that was sane
  • [12:49:09] <FlameGod> ok, now i have something to work with .. thanks a lot
  • [12:49:45] <av500> mdp: newer argue with the Tatars!
  • [12:50:06] <mdp> there's a number of generic guides for git and cross compiling kernels on The Google too if you get stuck with that stuff
  • [12:50:09] <aholler> antique sounds like .32 or even .26
  • [12:50:25] <mdp> .33rc4ish
  • [12:50:30] <mdp> you're close
  • [12:50:40] <aholler> I've just wondered about CONFIG_PHYS_OFFSET (3.2)
  • [12:51:16] <mdp> av500, momma only told me not to argue with my taters
  • [12:51:43] <FlameGod> but i find it kind of weird, why there is no UART activated on beaglebone by default ... that's the first thing newbies like me want to work with
  • [12:52:21] <FlameGod> there is some guide in the mailing list only how to activate uart1
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  • [12:52:44] <FlameGod> but it does not work for uart2-5
  • [12:53:41] <av500> mdp: I think like Facebook, Google dropped the "The" :)
  • [12:54:40] <av500> FlameGod: there is a uart by default, the one that hooked up to the usb2serial
  • [12:54:53] <mdp> av500, in my defense I'm getting old and behind the times :) perhaps I'm ready for politics
  • [12:55:07] <FlameGod> but isn't it already used for the console?
  • [12:55:07] <av500> mdp: can you see russia from your back porch?
  • [12:55:13] <av500> FlameGod: it is
  • [12:55:17] <av500> still its a uart
  • [12:55:50] <mdp> av500, indeed???but it easier to see those commies in canadia from here :)
  • [12:56:06] * av500 votes for mdp
  • [12:56:27] <mdp> I can make inflammatory statements with the best of them
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  • [13:23:33] <vsuresh> Hello all
  • [13:24:35] <vsuresh> i am looking for SIM card slot or any daughter baord for sim to work on beagle board
  • [13:24:50] <vsuresh> Is there any daughter boards availble
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  • [13:30:43] <dwery> vsuresh: you want to talk to a SIM or want a full GSM modem?
  • [13:33:06] <vsuresh> full GSM modem
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  • [13:35:08] <sakoman> koen: the new sgx sdk kernel modules do not build for omap3 on Linux 3.0
  • [13:35:23] <sakoman> http://build.sakoman.com/public/logs/task/58340.txt
  • [13:35:34] <dwery> vsuresh: haven't seen one yet
  • [13:35:50] <dwery> but if you need quite a number of them I'm sure you can find someone to design a board for you
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  • [13:36:17] <sakoman> the patch to fix that issue is fairly simple, but then it gets even worse
  • [13:38:18] <sakoman> http://build.sakoman.com/public/logs/task/58349.txt
  • [13:38:46] <sakoman> I find it amazing that the sdk has been broken for several releases and noone seems to care
  • [13:38:56] <vsuresh> Yes surely i will be looking for number of them, but before i wanted to evaluate the system,
  • [13:39:11] <vsuresh> Can you specify the any manufacturer name
  • [13:39:38] <av500> sakoman: of course it works, but for android :)
  • [13:39:39] <dwery> there's no GSM board currently in production as far as I know
  • [13:39:53] <dwery> many people in this channel could probably design one, me included :D
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  • [13:40:32] <sakoman> av500: koen says it works for beaglebone too
  • [13:40:42] <sakoman> so I suppose those are the only 2 things that matter
  • [13:41:22] <av500> well, bone has no DSS
  • [13:41:34] <vsuresh> Is there extension board available just to talk to sim
  • [13:42:17] <av500> and the android SDK has no mention of any OMAP_DSS flags :)
  • [13:42:53] <mdp> sakoman, c'mon???you care???you're someone :)
  • [13:42:56] <dwery> none that I know, but that's quite easier and you can probably buy a proto cape and wire the sim to the general purpose IOs
  • [13:43:08] <av500> sakoman: in fact, the sgx linux driver we have are now in kernel
  • [13:43:20] <av500> drivers/gpu/sgx
  • [13:43:29] <av500> drivers/gpu/pvr
  • [13:44:09] <av500> sakoman: your kernel has no OMAP_DSS_UPDATE_MANUAL?
  • [13:44:15] <av500> or missing inlcude?
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  • [13:44:28] <sakoman> the header file moved in 3.0
  • [13:44:41] <sakoman> (I think)
  • [13:44:49] <sakoman> just starting to investigate
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  • [13:46:35] <sakoman> I'm just grumpy that sdk's get released that clearly don't work, and it seems to happen every release
  • [13:47:01] <av500> sakoman: yes, but does the sdk mention any kernel rev?
  • [13:47:17] <av500> what kernel was it released for?
  • [13:47:34] * mdp lays his money on 2.6.37
  • [13:47:52] * av500 folds
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  • [13:49:42] <sakoman> release notes state 3.1.0 arago kernel for am335x
  • [13:50:04] <av500> yes, but since no DSS....
  • [13:50:08] <sakoman> and 2.6.37 psp kernel for 35/37xx
  • [13:50:15] * aholler wonders what does numbers in 4.05.00.03-r102a do stand for
  • [13:51:13] <mdp> sakoman, right, the last and only fully functional kernel for 35/37xx is 2.6.37???coincidentally that's what the TI SDK releases with and what the graphics sdk team targets
  • [13:51:24] <mdp> "fully"
  • [13:51:44] <av500> so it all makes sense :)
  • [13:52:26] * sakoman creates policy not to accept any further work that involves sgx
  • [13:52:48] <mdp> av500, I don't agree with your conclusion
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  • [13:52:58] <av500> mdp: get in the line!
  • [13:53:01] <mdp> but yes, there's a reason
  • [13:53:06] <mdp> heh
  • [13:53:29] <av500> sakoman: shuffle the few header files and it should be fine
  • [13:53:56] <sakoman> av500: I did the header shuffle last release
  • [13:54:26] <sakoman> it worked for 37xx, sort of for ES2.1 35xx, and not at all for ES3.1 35xx
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  • [13:56:19] <ant_work> doh, 3.2 is mainlined
  • [13:57:54] <mdp> yeah, brace yourself for the merge window churn
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  • [14:20:31] <maluta> HI. Does MLO and u-boot.bin from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ run on xM?
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  • [14:23:30] <Evan_> Hey guys! I was wondering if anyone could help me out with getting my BeagleBone's USB-Ethernet working on Windows7?
  • [14:23:50] <Evan_> I've tried installing all the necessary drivers, as well as attempted to manually use the FTDI ones, but I can't seem to get anything to behave.
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  • [14:27:09] <lundmar> hi, quick question.. does mainline Linux kernel support Beagleboard xM?
  • [14:27:52] <dwery> maluta: do not mix bootloaders ;)
  • [14:28:28] <maluta> dwery: sure
  • [14:28:34] <dwery> those files are supposed to run
  • [14:29:02] <dwery> but unless you have problems in your current one
  • [14:29:05] <dwery> I'd not change it
  • [14:29:48] <maluta> dwery: to quick test I used mkcard.txt to prepare sdcard and copied MLO and u-boot.bin to boot/
  • [14:31:14] <dwery> that should work
  • [14:31:33] <maluta> dwery: worked
  • [14:31:48] <maluta> I don't know why worked only on second try :p
  • [14:31:54] <maluta> dwery: thanks
  • [14:34:10] <dwery> np
  • [14:34:17] <Evan_> Hey guys! Can anybody point me in the right direction?
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  • [14:47:38] <koen> sakoman: beagle is the only outsider user that actually tests the sdk
  • [14:48:10] <koen> sakoman: so if the release isn't in angstrom it's unlikely to work :(
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  • [15:03:29] <av500> koen: the PRUSSians are enraged
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  • [15:04:55] <mdp> heh
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  • [15:09:18] <av500> ....Are TI frikin serious?!....
  • [15:10:57] <mdp> always
  • [15:11:06] <av500> http://www.tizenexperts.com/2012/01/tizen-association/
  • [15:11:13] <av500> I wonder why intel is :)
  • [15:11:46] <av500> ah intel needs to join Tizen 1st
  • [15:12:22] <mdp> think of the commitment it requires to create one of these associations :)
  • [15:12:45] <av500> mdp: you mean, all it needs it a cheap printer and a typist?
  • [15:12:57] <av500> /or a typist/
  • [15:13:09] <mdp> yeah, you know the incredible investment required to put up a website..that's commitment
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  • [15:22:17] <[IDC]Dragon_> aholler: I have bluez-tools in place now
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  • [15:24:04] <av500> [IDC]Dragon_: HNY12
  • [15:24:18] <[IDC]Dragon_> thx
  • [15:24:56] <[IDC]Dragon_> u2
  • [15:25:06] <av500> thx
  • [15:25:40] <[IDC]Dragon_> (I know you like those leet nerdy abbreviations)
  • [15:26:40] <av500> pah
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  • [15:33:44] <ka6sox> av500, "<av500> [08:03:29] koen: the PRUSSians are enraged" LOL...good one
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  • [15:38:17] <mdp> av500, funny thing is that the exact conversation was held internally too about PRUSS???
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  • [15:39:52] <ka6sox> I guess I could get out my Torch and Pitchfork....but what good would that do me?
  • [15:40:52] <mdp> the deciders have won this battle :)
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  • [15:46:55] <mdp> if somebody found it exciting to add pruss v2 support to gas that would be cool
  • [15:47:25] <av500> arent the PRU opcodes known?
  • [15:47:27] <mru> what happened to pruss?
  • [15:47:42] <av500> mru: TI say we cannot play with it
  • [15:47:46] <av500> and people are crying
  • [15:47:48] <mdp> av500, it seems to be mostly documented
  • [15:47:58] <av500> instead of just sitting down and writing an asm for it
  • [15:48:12] <mdp> I'm not sure how much is incomplete in the public docs though
  • [15:48:14] <mru> did they delete all the docs?
  • [15:48:21] <mru> from my hd?
  • [15:48:28] <av500> mru: you did not see the ninja?
  • [15:48:33] <av500> well, of course not
  • [15:48:47] <mdp> mru, they are just complaining about the TI stance not to release pasm v2
  • [15:49:10] <ka6sox> its their perogative...I am not "crying"
  • [15:49:14] <mdp> and the refusal of TI to support anybody programming the PRU v2
  • [15:49:15] <av500> mdp: can't you dropbox it by accident?
  • [15:49:25] <mru> so write i hex
  • [15:49:33] <mdp> lol
  • [15:49:33] <mru> in
  • [15:50:10] <ka6sox> oh gawd....back to 4040 days :P
  • [15:50:16] <sakoman> koen: I hate being the one to tell clients (and TI customers) that they can't have a recent mainline Linux kernel *and* working SGX
  • [15:50:20] <av500> not 4004?
  • [15:50:24] <mru> that thing has less rhsn a dozen opcodes, can't be hard
  • [15:50:35] <ka6sox> av500, nope...just 4040
  • [15:50:40] <mru> *less
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  • [15:51:02] <mdp> sakoman, it's just another feature in a long list where they can't have a recent kernel???get in line behind PM
  • [15:51:21] <av500> sakoman: you have strange customers
  • [15:51:28] <av500> dont they want a working system?
  • [15:51:29] <sakoman> mdp: I think from now on I will just say "I don't do sgx"
  • [15:51:31] * mru now has incentive to play with pru...
  • [15:51:44] <av500> mru, pru
  • [15:51:49] <av500> mpru
  • [15:51:54] * mdp sees that mru took the bait
  • [15:52:03] <mdp> sakoman, a wise choice
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  • [15:57:20] <koen> sakoman: welcome to my world :(
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  • [15:59:20] <mdp> koen, you need to use your incredible influence on the graphics team
  • [15:59:47] <koen> right
  • [16:00:00] <koen> they usually fix things I report pretty quick
  • [16:00:04] <koen> prabu is awesome
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  • [16:01:32] * av500 is prompted to download a font pack.... gee
  • [16:03:05] <mdp> http://sartalics.com/
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  • [16:08:36] <xxiao> trustzone...anyone played with that
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  • [16:09:23] <koen> 3rd base?
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  • [16:09:46] <av500> xxiao: kind of
  • [16:10:12] <av500> BN just demonstrated how not to do it :)
  • [16:10:30] <av500> well, in fact, trustzone is still OK
  • [16:12:08] <xxiao> av500: it's essentially a 33-bit system
  • [16:12:19] <xxiao> will have meeting with TI on this in 20 minutes
  • [16:12:35] <xxiao> it's pretty different from powerpc's secureboot method
  • [16:12:42] * av500 thinks he had that meeting in the past
  • [16:13:09] <av500> xxiao: ask them how to secure stage 2 using only the 30k or so RAM you have for stage 1
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  • [16:14:08] <xxiao> ROM-MLO-u-boot, by stage2 you mean u-boot or MLO here, if it's me i will call the full u-boot.bin stage3 and linux stage4
  • [16:14:32] <av500> xxiao: well, the rom code loads "stage 1" and obviously checks that
  • [16:14:38] <av500> then stage 2 needs to go on
  • [16:14:51] <av500> er, stage 1 needs to go on and check stage 2
  • [16:15:18] <av500> so, only ROM code trusts MLO, how does MLO trust uboot?
  • [16:15:32] <av500> in the case of the Nook, the answer seems to be, there is no check
  • [16:15:42] <xxiao> no surprise to me
  • [16:16:04] <av500> when we asked that question to TI, the answer was "<crickets>"
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  • [16:16:33] <xxiao> that means you're beta-users as TI does not know much on that either
  • [16:16:57] <av500> I cannot comment on that :)
  • [16:18:00] <xxiao> trustzone is way more than just secureboot though
  • [16:18:19] <av500> yes
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  • [16:18:41] <av500> drm keys are with stage 1, so should be still safe
  • [16:19:01] <av500> and if firewalls are setup correctly, rogue code cannot do much
  • [16:19:10] <xxiao> yes i think i will focus on secure boot, no way we have time to do the whole trustzone, not even a subset
  • [16:19:33] <xxiao> when you sell to Federal gov, they like all these shit
  • [16:19:35] <av500> you have basically 2 use cases: 1) make sure only your code runs
  • [16:19:37] <av500> 2) so DRM
  • [16:19:45] <av500> do DRM
  • [16:19:56] <av500> for 1) you dont need trustzone
  • [16:20:05] <av500> you only need a full chain of trust
  • [16:20:20] <av500> for 2) you need trustzone but might not care what user space runs
  • [16:20:34] <av500> as long as DRM keys cannot be accessed from said user space
  • [16:28:43] <xxiao> right...time for meeting
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  • [16:29:13] <av500> xxiao: have fun
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  • [16:32:43] <ka6sox> bleh...off to "work"
  • [16:33:28] <emeb> work. meh
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  • [17:34:41] <aholler> the word trust lost everything it meant sometimes in the past
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  • [17:34:51] <aholler> at least in conjunction with it
  • [17:35:02] <aholler> s/it/IT/
  • [17:36:47] <emeb> true dat
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  • [17:42:21] <aholler> and the stable tree is missing a tag for 3.2 :/
  • [17:46:16] <aholler> and finger_banner still tells me that the last stable kernel is 3.0.4
  • [17:47:44] <aholler> rant a day ;)
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  • [18:33:30] <aholler> back to trust, I personaly think all those "trust"-mechanisms should get called antitrust-mechanisms
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  • [18:51:07] <Russ> aholler, you are just not looking at who the object and subject of the trust is
  • [18:51:19] <Russ> and who is mistrusted
  • [18:56:24] <aholler> true. but it ended such that 'trust' is now a word I imply something bad with.
  • [18:56:37] <aholler> (in IT)
  • [18:56:54] <aholler> because nobody trusts me anymore ;)
  • [18:57:11] <aholler> s/nobody/nothing/
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  • [18:58:46] <Russ> Then its a mistrust mechanism :)
  • [18:58:49] <aholler> I'm awating clocks which needs fingerprints before they tell you the time ;)
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  • [19:28:05] <aholler> hmm, are there dt's available for the beagle (classic)?
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  • [19:31:18] <aholler> ui, dss learned edid
  • [19:33:07] <woglinde> aholler haha this dont prevent you from sucky panel manufactors
  • [19:39:30] <aholler> it gives you someone to blame when it doesn't work
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  • [19:48:47] <Russ> aholler, you finally have your 3.2.y tag :p
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  • [19:51:48] <mdp> aholler, considering what's in an omap3 dts file today, it's pretty trivial to modify the memory property for a classic beagle
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  • [19:53:16] <aholler> Russ: hmm, not here, the branch is there, but no tag
  • [19:53:33] <aholler> dockstar3 linux # uname -a
  • [19:53:34] <aholler> Linux dockstar3 3.2.0-dockstar-01971-gd16b209 #22 PREEMPT Thu Jan 5 18:59:57 CET 2012 armv5tel Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l) Seagate FreeAgent DockStar GNU/Linux
  • [19:54:31] <aholler> just done a fetch again and didn't receive the tag v3.2
  • [19:55:12] <Russ> oh, duh, it is a branch
  • [19:55:25] <aholler> yeah, they changed that after the hack
  • [19:55:49] <aholler> the branch is there since rc1
  • [19:56:29] <Russ> eh, just add the trorvalds remote to your stable repo
  • [19:56:59] <aholler> don't want that stuff ;)
  • [19:57:26] <Russ> ...but...but
  • [19:57:39] <Russ> all the commits are in the stable repo anyway!
  • [19:58:14] <aholler> but then "git remote update" connects two times. ;)
  • [19:59:16] <aholler> I can wait, the stable repo always needed a day or two to realize that linus released a new version
  • [19:59:34] <Russ> then make a torvalds clone on your fs, have all linux repos on your system reference that as shared objects
  • [20:00:03] <aholler> clone linux is a pain on devices with only 128mb ram ;)
  • [20:00:05] <Russ> and for some repos you can also add it as a remote
  • [20:00:17] <Russ> aholler, that's why you do a clone -s
  • [20:00:42] <aholler> and for a unknown reason I couldn't use a git-repo cloned on my pc on my arm-box
  • [20:01:02] <aholler> have had bad experiences with clone -s
  • [20:01:18] <Russ> as long as you use it wisely, clone -s is an excellent tool
  • [20:01:35] <aholler> when you delete the origin, bad stuff happens
  • [20:02:28] <aholler> if -s is what I think I've used sometimes ;)
  • [20:04:22] <aholler> needed a hour or two to fix some repos which lost their base because I deleted an old tree which I thought is unused :(
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  • [20:05:07] <jsabeaudry> Is it worth it to buy a new microSD card that is faster than class 4?
  • [20:05:30] <aholler> mdp: where can I find that omap3 dts?
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  • [20:06:05] <Russ> aholler, ouch
  • [20:06:08] <mdp> arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3*
  • [20:06:14] <aholler> ah, thanks
  • [20:07:11] <mdp> in real world DT use, the memory property populated by U-boot or chooseyourown2ndstagebootloader
  • [20:07:43] <aholler> seems I should have a look at u-boot too. I'm still using one that is a year old or such
  • [20:08:06] <woglinde> haha if ms really buys nokia phone devision
  • [20:08:53] <mdp> aholler, if you want to see what "state of the art" DT use looks like, look at FDT handling for powerpc
  • [20:08:55] <powool> you might need to benchmark to find out - I see some class 8 devices are reasonably cheap, so it wouldn't cost much to try
  • [20:09:07] <aholler> woglinde: ms wanted to do that since they send elop out ;)
  • [20:09:11] <woglinde> but bad for qt
  • [20:09:12] <woglinde> yes
  • [20:09:37] <mdp> aholler, tons of spaghetti code in u-boot to runtime detect and append nodes, etc. etc. so the kernel code can be pretty
  • [20:09:54] <woglinde> u-boot uses device tree
  • [20:09:56] <woglinde> this day
  • [20:10:00] <woglinde> I heard
  • [20:10:53] <mdp> it would be tough to boot a ppc board from it otherwise :)
  • [20:12:28] <powool> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/microsdhc-memory-card-performance,3011-11.html
  • [20:13:54] <powool> looks like the sandisk mobile ultra runs around 2X the speed of the other lower end class 4 devices.
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  • [20:24:35] <djlewis> gm
  • [20:26:06] <woglinde> hi djlewis
  • [20:26:54] <djlewis> woglinde: hows AL.
  • [20:28:32] <woglinde> Alemania?
  • [20:28:38] <woglinde> stormy and rainy
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  • [20:30:05] <djlewis> Sunny and wrm here today :)
  • [20:30:18] <woglinde> fine lets change
  • [20:33:16] <aholler> hmm, not much in the dts for the beagle provided with linux ;)
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  • [20:41:36] <jsabeaudry> interesting, do you know the beaglebone supports up to which class?
  • [20:45:33] <powool> I think it is more an issue of which ssd specification is supported, and I believe the bone supports 2.x (don't quote me on that, please) - the class is simply a performance metric
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  • [20:48:02] <toofar> Is there a way to do something like "bitbake -c rm_work world" ?
  • [20:48:56] <woglinde> toofar delete the tmp-build dir
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  • [20:50:15] <_av500_> all that work and then delete it...what a waste
  • [20:50:31] <toofar> That's what I've done in the past, but it leaves some stuff in an unknown state since the timestamps say some steps have been completed and I just clobbered some more
  • [20:51:25] <jsabeaudry> powol: ah ok. I thought it was like USB 1.1, 2 and 3 where you don't gain anything from pluggin a USB 2 deviced in a 1.1 port.
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  • [20:55:44] <jsabeaudry> Anyone has had luck with the i2cget and i2cset utilities? I've tried them but I always get a read or write error?! Also nothing on the scope I have connected on the i2c bus.
  • [21:01:42] <dwery> jsabeaudry: are you running the very latest kernel?
  • [21:03:00] <jsabeaudry> dwery: 3.1.0-rc8 not sure if its the latest
  • [21:03:35] <dwery> how many i2c bus can you see in dmesg?
  • [21:04:23] <jsabeaudry> dwery: scanning over quickly only 1
  • [21:04:32] <dwery> mm you should have two
  • [21:04:44] <dwery> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
  • [21:04:46] <dwery> use this image
  • [21:07:51] <jsabeaudry> dwery: Do you know if the problem causing eth0 not to come up is fixed?
  • [21:08:24] <dwery> jsabeaudry: I guess it isn't, but haven't triesd
  • [21:09:29] <jsabeaudry> dwery: I'll try 12-26, perhaps it was fixed between 12-13 and then
  • [21:10:23] <jsabeaudry> tomorrow I'll set myself up to be able to build images with the latest stuff
  • [21:11:23] <zoobab> hi
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  • [21:11:44] <zoobab> do you know how to access gpios on the beaglebone?
  • [21:12:25] <jsabeaudry> zoobab: which OS are you using?
  • [21:13:51] <jsabeaudry> zoobab: If you are on Angstrom you can toggle them directly from the terminal using the sysfs driver in /sys/class/gpio
  • [21:14:27] <powool> is there a faster interface that one could use from C?
  • [21:16:05] <zoobab> sabayon
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  • [21:17:56] <zoobab> do you know if openwrt is already ported to the beaglebone?
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  • [21:22:03] <jsabeaudry> powool: Yes of course, from memory it is in linux/gpio.h
  • [21:23:10] <lundmar> hi guys, anyone running the beagleboard-xM? Is it fully supported by latest mainline Linux kernel?
  • [21:23:25] <jsabeaudry> zoobab: From what I understand there is only 1 ethernet port on the beaglebone so what exactly would openwrt be for?
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  • [21:24:52] <zoobab> jsabeaudry: you add a usb key and it becomes a router
  • [21:25:14] <zoobab> and there are plenty of packages available
  • [21:25:35] <lundmar> I need to know if the xM revision has working audio with the latest mainline kernel?
  • [21:26:19] <jsabeaudry> zoobab: Hmm interesting, a bit costly but a lot of fun
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  • [21:26:52] <zoobab> do you know if the soc has an fpu?
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  • [21:28:05] <lundmar> anyone? :)
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  • [21:29:55] <zoobab> do you know how many amps it consumes at 5v?
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  • [21:36:22] <powool> I believe it does have an FPU - google "am335x floating point unit"
  • [21:39:20] <powool> power use varies a lot according to voltage level (since this determines frequency at boot time), and what you're doing with the USB ports - power use is described in the manual
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  • [22:12:11] <xxiao> i got the board that can see mmc under u-boot but not under linux
  • [22:12:38] <xxiao> the hw designer told me he moved SD slot a little further, might be linux driver is sensitive to that
  • [22:12:57] <djlewis> mranostay: been taking a nap ;)
  • [22:12:59] <xxiao> anyone knows the HS mmc driver uses a higher speed comparing to its u-boot mmc initialization code?
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  • [22:17:41] <ds2> does it look different on the scope?
  • [22:17:50] <ds2> is it ignoring/rejecting commands?
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  • [22:22:46] <mranostay> djlewis: not really
  • [22:23:23] * djlewis used to work at a college, found many state employees sleeping on the payroll.
  • [22:23:43] <mranostay> i was only resting my eyes :P
  • [22:23:49] <djlewis> :)
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  • [22:24:06] <ds2> djlewis: do they outnumber the students sleeping in class?
  • [22:24:15] <djlewis> 10:1
  • [22:24:19] <ka6sox> In calfornia we have a saying: whats orange and sleeps 6....
  • [22:24:33] <ka6sox> A CalTrans Truck.
  • [22:24:46] <djlewis> I was gking for highway dept workers
  • [22:24:59] <djlewis> s/gking/going
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  • [23:54:14] <djlewis> later . . .
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  • [23:54:37] * Russ_ "The speed limit everywhere on the facility (except the dragstrip) is 5 mph."
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  • [23:54:53] <Russ_> good thing they remembered to add the subtext, otherwise, I totally wasn't going to go
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