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  • [06:07:32] <tasslehoff> My upgrade script populates my fat32 bootpartition with the needed files. It has always worked, but now it threw a "u-boot.bin not found or blank nand contents" at me, thought the contents seem right. I'm on x-loader 1.4.4. Should I get a later one and/or use fat16 instead of fat32 for the boot-partition?
  • [06:07:42] <tasslehoff> morning :)
  • [06:16:11] <_av500_> tasslehoff: interesting
  • [06:16:23] <_av500_> use dd to backup the fat for forensics
  • [06:16:35] <_av500_> before you go on to repair it
  • [06:16:56] <_av500_> bbl
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  • [06:31:57] <tasslehoff> Where does one go to get an x-loader fix these days? http://gitorious.org/x-load-omap3?
  • [06:36:13] <koen> tasslehoff: close
  • [06:36:15] <koen> tasslehoff: it's http://gitorious.org/x-loader
  • [06:37:17] <tasslehoff> koen: thanks. thought the activity was low on the one I found
  • [06:39:27] <koen> works is mostly done of the really old xload and then backport or on u-boot SPL
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  • [06:55:03] <fgau> http://semiaccurate.com/2011/07/29/texas-instruments-selling-their-omap-division/ <-- wtf
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  • [07:06:07] <mru> makes no sense
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  • [07:15:27] <tasslehoff> how can I check which sector u-boot.bin is placed in on my boot partition?
  • [07:21:17] <mru> why do you care?
  • [07:22:38] <tasslehoff> mru: after an upgrade of the bootpartition I got "u-boot.bin not found or blank nand contents", and I'm trying to figure out why
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  • [07:31:09] <av500> tasslehoff: winhex has a nice disk explorer mode
  • [07:31:13] <ds2> blah... if the list activity is a representative of the future... embedded development is doomed :(
  • [07:31:19] <av500> i used that in the past to debug FAT issues
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  • [07:31:46] <av500> ds2: you dont get it, with thew imminent success of ARM netbook, it wont be "embedded" any more
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  • [07:32:03] <mru> ds2: you must embed deeper
  • [07:33:03] <av500> get rid of that MMU and libc
  • [07:33:34] <ds2> I have seen that and that IS doomed
  • [07:42:05] <koen> ds2: I've seen the same trend with mailinglists when it gets easy enough to use the devices for novices
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  • [07:47:38] <ds2> koen: maybe I am getting a double dose on both the p and the b lists
  • [07:49:56] * koen doesn't really read the p list
  • [07:50:08] <koen> too much ubuntu noobs
  • [07:50:24] <koen> or too many?
  • [07:52:24] <ynezz> angstromuntu
  • [07:54:01] <koen> I need to attract more emo kids
  • [07:54:11] <koen> then I can rebrand it as ANGSTrom
  • [07:56:12] <koen> or set the read-only bit
  • [07:56:17] <koen> angstROM
  • [07:58:11] <av500> 10x lol: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/gstreamer-devel/2011-July/032443.html
  • [07:58:55] <av500> it's 2011 and gst guys still recommend that unoptimized POS?
  • [07:59:42] <koen> av500: it's all they know
  • [07:59:48] <koen> it's has great google juice
  • [08:00:27] <koen> cogcolourspace seems to a teensy bit faster, but "same shit, different day^H^H^Hname"
  • [08:00:52] <av500> koen: yes, "cogcolourspace, proudly never slower than plain C"
  • [08:01:23] <av500> actually "cogcolourspace, proudly almost never slower than plain C"
  • [08:02:10] <av500> reminds my of my coworker at uni: "neural networks, proudly almost more clever than a brick"
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  • [08:02:53] <av500> koen: your oe list rejected me
  • [08:03:14] <koen> me too
  • [08:03:20] <koen> my beagle id isn't allowed
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  • [08:18:26] <koen> I still don't really understand why teaching GST about a new format is a hack
  • [08:18:57] <koen> I understand that fixing the ISP driver is what is actually needed, but why is adding a new format a hack?
  • [08:19:18] <av500> buy YUYV is not "new" to gst, is it?
  • [08:19:51] <av500> if gst insist on enumerating the formats, then make that driver return what it supports..
  • [08:20:07] <koen> I don't know if it's new or not
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  • [08:20:49] <koen> the patch gave me a "I'll call it a hack so I don't have to push it upstream, even though is has a good chance of getting accepted as is" feeling
  • [08:21:05] <koen> but maybe I have become desensitized to hacks :)
  • [08:22:02] <koen> av500: it will become really quiet on TI confcalls nowadays
  • [08:22:21] <koen> av500: both jkridner and I will be on mute because our makerbots are printing :)
  • [08:22:28] <av500> ha
  • [08:23:03] <Russ> "makerbot in the background" isn't on my conference call bingo card
  • [08:24:10] <koen> Russ: "av500 on his type M keyboard in the office next door" is?
  • [08:24:54] <av500> koen: ppl tell me on irc to mute or stop typing :)
  • [08:25:21] <koen> I'm on mute by default on calls
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  • [09:57:44] <ant_work> koen: who is supposed to clean out/unify the recipes appearing on several layers (talking about A. scripts) ?
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  • [10:05:17] <koen> ant_work: the person taking offence to it
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  • [10:08:16] <ant_work> ah, that's easy .. rm -rf in the offending layers until now, you know machete
  • [10:09:02] <ant_work> ok, for the case [meta-oe] you already answered, is the case oe-core a bit problematic
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  • [10:10:00] <ant_work> (add to this there is some sort of issue adding new recipes to meta-oe...not parsed until you remove the similar one from the other layer)
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  • [10:10:26] <koen> if you use the angstrom setupscripts, they will get parsed
  • [10:10:30] <ant_work> ..even with higher PV
  • [10:10:37] <koen> since oe-core has the lowest priority
  • [10:10:56] <ant_work> I was trying to debug that with bluelightning. Nest debug round this night
  • [10:11:12] <ant_work> there seems tobe a new issue :/
  • [10:11:58] <ant_work> (concrete example: adding klibc_1.5.24 to meta-oe, while 1.5.23 is in meta-zaurus)
  • [10:12:18] <ant_work> 1.5.24 is somehow 'masked'
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  • [10:14:23] <koen> sounds more like a stray PREFERRED_VERSION somewhere
  • [10:14:34] <ant_work> could not find any
  • [10:14:37] <koen> do a 'bitbake -s | grep klibc'
  • [10:15:26] <ant_work> done yesterday http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/kexecboot-prev.txt
  • [10:15:35] <ant_work> we didn't find any
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  • [10:23:57] <koen> did you do the bitbake -s ?
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  • [10:28:37] <ant_work> no, just -e
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  • [10:44:41] <fewe> hi everyone
  • [10:45:00] <fewe> how come beagle board xm doesn't come with a boot loader?
  • [10:47:13] <koen> there's one in ROM
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  • [10:47:24] <koen> which can load from usb, nand, serial, sd, etc
  • [10:47:44] <koen> plug in the sd card that's in the box and apply power
  • [10:48:37] <fewe> yep
  • [10:48:43] <fewe> and then i can install it from the sd card
  • [10:48:47] <fewe> ?
  • [10:56:41] <fewe> i am trying to have the same development configuration as i had with the IgepV2 board
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  • [11:12:05] <av500> fewe: well, then you have to adapt
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  • [11:21:09] <fewe> yes i do have to adapt
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  • [11:21:43] <fewe> first thing is to get the beagle board to boot android, but to do so i need to modify the boot script, and i'd like to do so from the boot command line
  • [11:21:44] <fewe> t
  • [11:22:11] <fewe> he thing is that if u boot isn't flashed on the board, my env isn't saved at all
  • [11:22:20] <av500> boot.scr
  • [11:22:29] <av500> or uEnv.txt
  • [11:23:12] <fewe> boot.scr would be the one
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  • [11:27:11] <fewe> the thing is whenever i boot from the android sd card
  • [11:27:20] <fewe> modify the u boot env
  • [11:27:23] <fewe> and try to save
  • [11:27:24] <fewe> it fails
  • [11:27:42] <fewe> so i was wondering how to dump the boot tool to the board
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  • [11:30:52] <av500> save where?
  • [11:30:57] <av500> there is no nand
  • [11:34:00] * koen would do what av500 said and use uenv.txt or boot.scr
  • [11:34:08] <fewe> ouch
  • [11:34:11] <fewe> ok thx
  • [11:34:27] <av500> koen: and I only reparrot stuff I hear here....
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  • [11:39:15] <fewe> koen: yes, now that i know there s no hand on the board, i can use my former boot.scr directly on the sd card
  • [11:39:37] <fewe> no nand*
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  • [11:43:08] <Urso> Hello
  • [11:44:01] <Urso> some weeks ago i ear about BeagleBoard and i was interested on it... some projects came to my mind... after that i found the link for the contest #3
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  • [11:44:24] <av500> contest is long over
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  • [11:46:53] <Urso> and i decided to try my shot... and add one project ...i already registered the prject and had to the page... in the wiki said we need to apply like on contest #1 and #2... but i cannot figure out how to do... so i just add on the wiki all the pages for the project, but my doubt is if i need to add in the big table of the projects... ??
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  • [11:48:31] <Urso> @av500 so the contest #3 is finnished?
  • [11:48:43] <av500> ah sorry, wrong channel
  • [11:48:49] <av500> dont know about the contest
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  • [11:49:27] <av500> jkridner: ^^^^^^^^^^ contest?
  • [11:49:48] <jkridner> I'll still give away boards if we can get votes.
  • [11:50:03] <jkridner> we need to replace gregoire, as he never votes.
  • [11:50:14] <mru> jkridner: feel free to give me something with working ehci
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  • [11:50:19] <mru> like a c4 or so
  • [11:50:29] <jkridner> so, it isn't finished, just been on hiatus.
  • [11:50:53] <Urso> huum ok
  • [11:51:02] <Urso> i understand
  • [11:51:17] <jkridner> Urso: so, you need to create an entry on the wiki page and canvas for some votes and then ping me to see that you have enough votes.
  • [11:51:38] <jkridner> if anyone wants to replace gregoire, just notify me.
  • [11:52:05] <mru> canvas for votes = send crates of beer?
  • [11:52:40] <Urso> eheh
  • [11:52:53] <Urso> ok... i already made the project registration...
  • [11:53:00] <Urso> on beagleboar.org
  • [11:53:08] <Urso> then i add the entry on the wiki...
  • [11:54:16] <Urso> Last project description... (but isn't on the table) of the sponsored project... ( i didn't know if i should add there, and then you will vote and add the approved date for the project
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  • [11:54:56] <Urso> so... i was searching if i need to make something more... and then i can't find nothing and i came here to try clarify
  • [11:55:50] <Urso> So @jkridner, i think i done everything correct, if not , just tell me what and what i need to do more
  • [11:56:25] <Urso> the second subject.... for who i need to send the crates of beer?? =D
  • [11:56:33] <Urso> hihi
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  • [11:57:50] <Urso> @jkridner -> which kind of person profile is needed to replace gregoire?
  • [11:58:00] <jkridner> video notes?
  • [11:58:20] <jkridner> visibility in the community... responsiveness...
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  • [12:00:25] <av500> jkridner: video notes?
  • [12:00:44] <Urso> not the video notes... Cheap POSYSTEM
  • [12:01:43] <Urso> jkridner -> this is the project "Cheap POSYSTEM" (like i told...i didn't add on the table...just on the description... the last one)
  • [12:01:47] <av500> jkridner: feel free to draft me if no one better steps up :)
  • [12:06:01] <koen> jkridner: how was makerfaire?
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  • [12:21:25] <jkridner> maker faire was pretty cool.
  • [12:21:34] <jkridner> people loved the video wall.
  • [12:22:14] <jkridner> urso: you didn't make the entry correct. You are suppossed to also add yourself to the bottom of the table.
  • [12:23:24] <jkridner> i got to meet several interesting makers and people running hackerspaces
  • [12:24:44] <jkridner> most heard phrases included "oh, yeah, I had forgotten about BeagleBoard and now I really want to get one"
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  • [12:35:21] <Crofton|work> http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2011/07/debt-ceiling-debate-seen-abroad?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fteapartyexplained
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  • [12:37:35] <koen> jkridner: how did you like the wall?
  • [12:38:11] <jkridner> it was really slick. we need some beagleboard-related content for it.
  • [12:38:29] <jkridner> it grabbed a lot of attention... it seemed many people wanted to make one.
  • [12:38:37] <jkridner> they asked how many could be synchronized.
  • [12:39:17] <jkridner> one was a couple that was thinking about decorating their house with monitors and had decided it was too expensive until they saw this implmentation.
  • [12:39:39] <jkridner> most said that the monitor costs weren't a big deal for them wanting to make one....
  • [12:40:04] <jkridner> they wanted to increase the number of monitors and wanted to know what the practical limit was.
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  • [12:40:35] <jkridner> I suggested that the network bandwidth was low, since the video was pre-split, so 30-40 monitors should be doable. mru: was I very wrong?
  • [12:41:15] <koen> it's an ntp like protocol
  • [12:42:20] <koen> jkridner: did you visit all the 3d printing booths for inspiration?
  • [12:42:30] <jkridner> yeah....
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  • [12:43:04] <jkridner> one offered to trade me a 3d printer for 2 beagleboard-xms! (I said yes!)
  • [12:43:29] <koen> :)
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  • [12:46:07] <koen> jkridner: keep this in mind: http://www.treelobsters.com/2011/02/237-reproducible.html
  • [12:46:25] <fewe> when boot my beagle board XM for the first time i have this o:
  • [12:46:39] <fewe> Beagle unknown 0x02
  • [12:46:50] <fewe> it's a brand new one
  • [12:46:57] <fewe> does that mean something is wrong?
  • [12:47:17] <DJWillis> koen: :)
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  • [12:47:45] <jkridner> :)
  • [12:48:18] <jkridner> fewe: no, the Beagle unknown 0x2 notice isn't an issue.
  • [12:49:05] <fewe> jkridner: ok thank you
  • [12:49:06] <jkridner> it means the hardware was updated after the software, but in this case, the software didn't likely need to be updated.
  • [12:49:42] <jkridner> I believe the error goes away with the latest SD card image, but what you've got should work fine too.
  • [12:50:06] <jkridner> most people get another SD card and download the software they want to use, rather than just being stuck with the version that is on the SD card shipped with the board.
  • [12:50:26] <jkridner> See http://circuitco.com/support for the SD card images that ship with the boards.
  • [12:50:38] <koen> or just use narcissus
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  • [12:53:33] <fewe> actually i am trying to install several linaro builds
  • [12:53:46] <fewe> but none of them work...
  • [12:53:55] <fewe> nothing ever shows up on the screen
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  • [12:54:05] <fewe> i am trying different boot.scr
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  • [12:56:09] <fewe> i believe the cicuitco web site has been hacked
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  • [12:56:16] <fewe> all links go to viagra pills...
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  • [13:00:31] <koen> 14:50 < koen> or just use narcissus
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  • [13:04:43] <fewe> fewe: actually i am trying to install several linaro builds
  • [13:07:02] <Urso> @jkridner you was right... i just realize, i add my entry in contest #1 ... i think everything is fixed now... and i already add on the table!! So now i just need to send the crates of beer ;)
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  • [13:07:48] <Urso> if something is missing please tell me... to see if i can start the project
  • [13:09:24] <Urso> by the way, many thanks for your help
  • [13:09:45] <Urso> to told me how to do and to advise me to fix that
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  • [13:33:59] <sakoman_> koen: have you done patches to fix the omap3-sgx-modules build for 3.0?
  • [13:44:37] <koen> sakoman_: I only needed to patch the kernel, the sgx modules in meta-ti build against that
  • [13:45:02] <sakoman_> koen: not sure how that worked for you!
  • [13:45:54] <koen> I only have a patch to fix it for .38
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  • [13:46:12] <koen> sakoman_: fwiw, I'm using an old release, 4_03_00_02
  • [13:46:13] <sakoman_> yeah, I did that patch :-)
  • [13:46:19] <koen> 4_04 is already out
  • [13:47:03] <sakoman_> 4_03 in oe-core won't build
  • [13:47:43] <sakoman_> because the sgx modules try to include plat/display.h, which now should be video/omapdss.h
  • [13:47:54] <sakoman_> I'll send you a patch after I test it
  • [13:48:12] <DJWillis> Where does Ti dropping 3050 SGX support fit with these drivers? Getting SGX going on the OP in 3.0 is on my list (quite a way down it mind you).
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  • [13:49:56] <koen> sakoman_: hmm, could be some staging confusion where it has both .39 and 3.0 headers
  • [13:50:03] <koen> sakoman_: I'm doing a clean build now
  • [13:50:20] <koen> DJWillis: where does it say TI is dropping SGX530 support?
  • [13:50:51] <koen> DJWillis: there are brand spanking new SoCs coming out in ~2 months with a 530
  • [13:51:02] <sakoman_> koen: you should see: GFX_Linux_KM/services4/3rdparty/dc_omap3430_linux/omaplfb_linux.c:67:26: fatal error: plat/display.h: No such file or directory
  • [13:51:41] <DJWillis> koen: it was in response to one outstanding support call, i'll see if I can find the link, the answer was 'yep, there will be new drivers but we will not be supporting the 3050 and it's SGX revision. Not SGX530 support as such but the core revision on the 3050.
  • [13:52:00] <koen> 3050?
  • [13:53:04] <av500> 3530?
  • [13:53:24] <DJWillis> OMAP3530, finger and brain trouble (did not even realise what I had typed).
  • [13:53:35] <koen> ah, 3530
  • [13:53:48] <koen> that story is slightly more complicated
  • [13:53:57] <av500> koen: I heard 3430 support was canned in favour of 3530? true?
  • [13:54:02] <DJWillis> Just file me under 'stupid' today (well most days).
  • [13:54:09] <ant_work> koen: btw 3.1 spreads in all layers lacking COMPATIBLE_MACHINE (still having -99 def pref)
  • [13:54:12] <koen> it's not so much that sgx is unsupported, it's people trying to unsupport the complete 3530 range
  • [13:54:44] <sakoman_> ?!
  • [13:54:49] <av500> !?
  • [13:55:07] <sakoman_> that too!
  • [13:55:27] <av500> koen: could you stop joking for a second and explain
  • [13:55:29] <koen> you haven't noticed answers like "3730 is cheaper than 3530, plz upgrade, ktnxbai"?
  • [13:56:01] <av500> koen: but we upgraded last year, do we get money back?
  • [13:56:52] <koen> let's say people are strongly encouraged to use 3730 if they have 3530 products
  • [13:57:25] <koen> that has led to some TI people prematurely say "component <foo> of the 3530 is not supported anymore"
  • [13:57:45] <av500> koen: but for the sgx, the driver exists, no?
  • [13:57:48] <koen> ask you TI rep for the official story
  • [13:57:52] <av500> what is there to unsupport?
  • [13:57:53] <koen> av500: yes
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  • [14:00:31] <DJWillis> <koen> you haven't noticed answers like "3730 is cheaper than 3530, plz upgrade, ktnxbai"? << We did sort of notice ;) Ti rep is giving the 'official' story ;)
  • [14:00:49] <av500> koen: so what is there to unsupport?
  • [14:01:41] <koen> av500: the technical answer is silicon bugs solved in 3730
  • [14:01:52] <av500> koen: ??
  • [14:01:57] <av500> its about the 3530
  • [14:01:59] <DJWillis> av500: that was my question ;-), we got 'silicon bugs' as the answer.
  • [14:02:00] <av500> the driver exists
  • [14:02:09] <av500> so what is to be "updated"?
  • [14:02:22] <av500> yes, the silicon has bugs, but they cant be fixed
  • [14:02:33] <av500> so you can compile the *same* driver for linux 4.0
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  • [14:02:56] <av500> (if needed)
  • [14:04:07] <DJWillis> av500: just have to talk Ti into keeping doing that ;)
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  • [14:08:11] <av500> koen: but since people cannot field upgrade deployed units from 35xx to 37xx, there is still a need to provide "old" drivers for 35xx
  • [14:08:18] <av500> and I guess thats enuf for DJWillis
  • [14:09:39] <koen> I wouldn't worry too much about it
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  • [14:10:24] <koen> There is always some wiggle room for customers
  • [14:10:36] <av500> under the raised floor?
  • [14:11:02] <koen> inside the walls
  • [14:12:01] * koen wrote some python code today
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  • [14:12:14] <koen> time to shower of that dirty feeling
  • [14:12:59] <koen> sakoman_: it looks like the linux-omap -> linux change left some stray headers in the kernel sysroot
  • [14:13:01] <DJWillis> koen: I am not worrying, as you can imagine some are, me, well I do this crud for fun, I have paying work to loose hair about and that is all .Net (on the subject of dirty feelings).
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  • [14:28:57] <tasslehoff> I've setup the TPS so that an 8 second PWRON press restarts my device. Can this be persistent over boot?
  • [14:29:23] <av500> as long as the TPS is powered
  • [14:29:25] <av500> iirc
  • [14:29:53] <av500> tasslehoff: we do the same, so look into our kernel if needed
  • [14:32:51] <tasslehoff> av500: actually it kinda works. just now tried to type reboot and break into u-boot. the 8-second press restarted fine. If I then break into u-boot, it does not work.
  • [14:34:11] <tasslehoff> perhaps the power scripts will prevent it from preventing itself from working :)
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  • [15:13:25] <Squintz> Anyone home?
  • [15:13:33] * mru is not
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  • [15:17:18] <Squintz> I need some guidance. I made my own board which is based off the BeagleBoard Rev C. I'm anticipating it showing up any day from the fab house. A co-worker of mine has done all the software and programming of the BeagleBoards up to this point and now I want to do it myself but don't know where to start.
  • [15:18:03] <Squintz> What is the first thing I need to load?
  • [15:18:40] <Squintz> I'm eventually going to be booting from NAND.
  • [15:18:41] <mru> there are numerous tutorials online
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  • [15:19:20] <Squintz> I would love to read them but I guess I'm not sure which one I need to be reading.
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  • [15:40:40] <arcanescu> guys any idea why h264dec gives artifacts? http://e2e.ti.com/support/embedded/f/356/t/125031.aspx 2nd last video .... clues?
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  • [15:41:24] <av500> arcanescu: debug it
  • [15:41:38] <arcanescu> i did
  • [15:41:45] <arcanescu> the pipeline is running fine
  • [15:41:54] <arcanescu> it works great with the mpeg4 encoder - decoder
  • [15:41:57] <av500> does the same video decode OK on the PC?
  • [15:42:01] <arcanescu> only h264 is causing a rproblem
  • [15:42:02] <arcanescu> yes it does
  • [15:42:14] <arcanescu> h264-> pc = great no problems at all
  • [15:44:15] <arcanescu> thats just one bizzare thing the 2nd one = color i remove input-src=comppsite and the red and green picutre video no.2 has no artifacts
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  • [15:47:30] <av500> arcanescu: no idea, direct TI support is still as good as it gets
  • [15:48:02] <arcanescu> av500: i posted on gst-ti aswell.... i got a repyl to update my codecs i did that too..... still nothing
  • [15:50:37] <av500> arcanescu: and if you capture the "broken" stream and replay it it's " broken" again?
  • [15:51:23] <av500> and the same "broken" stream is fine on the PC?
  • [15:51:30] <av500> the exact same
  • [15:51:45] <arcanescu> it wont record
  • [15:52:00] <av500> ?
  • [15:52:42] <arcanescu> if I try to save the file using the file sink it saves fine...... then i replay it on the board it wont
  • [15:52:53] <arcanescu> I get memory errors dont have enough space and all that
  • [15:53:00] <av500> then fix that
  • [15:53:19] <av500> otherwise you have no idea where your error happens
  • [15:53:37] <av500> whether the h264 is "bad" or it gets corrupted during "streaming"
  • [15:54:00] <arcanescu> mpeg4 is more computationally (spelling ) intensive and if it was a memory issue it should knock that out first
  • [15:54:07] <arcanescu> mpeg4 save and replays fine
  • [15:54:19] <av500> more intensive?
  • [15:54:32] <av500> and thats all irrelevant
  • [15:54:47] <av500> unless you can prove that the same stream is fine on the PC and not ok on your HW
  • [15:54:51] <av500> the exact same stream
  • [15:55:01] <av500> I assume it gets corrupted
  • [15:55:15] <arcanescu> i did -> HW to -> PC great
  • [15:55:29] <av500> yes, but you change the system
  • [15:55:31] <arcanescu> no artifacts... but HW->HW artifacts are visible
  • [15:55:43] <av500> then save the stream you get from hw->hw
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  • [15:55:47] <av500> and test it on the PC
  • [15:56:13] <av500> the *same* stream
  • [15:56:23] <arcanescu> okay
  • [15:56:25] <av500> its as easy as open/write/close
  • [15:56:30] <arcanescu> and then i should play it on the pc
  • [15:56:42] <arcanescu> so see if that corrupts?
  • [15:58:18] <joelagnel> jayabharath, gm
  • [15:58:32] <jayabharath> joelagnel: hello
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  • [16:30:22] <emeb> anyone see this? http://semiaccurate.com/2011/07/29/texas-instruments-selling-their-omap-division/
  • [16:30:48] <av500> yes
  • [16:30:54] <emeb> hadn't seen it come up in the logs
  • [16:31:08] <emeb> seemed to me like trolling for page hits
  • [16:32:03] <av500> AMD makes no sense
  • [16:32:08] <emeb> agree
  • [16:32:12] <av500> an ideal buyer would have 3g/4g
  • [16:32:21] <av500> since that is what omap lacks
  • [16:34:52] <emeb> Can't see Apple or HTC either
  • [16:35:33] <av500> emeb: nah
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  • [16:41:33] <arcanescu> av500 : saved the stream from the board to a file.... played it back on the PC there are no artifacts....
  • [16:42:26] <ds2> hmmmm
  • [16:42:38] <arcanescu> so now it was HW - > HW ->file PC->file no artifacts
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  • [16:43:19] <av500> arcanescu: and the same stream has artifacts for hw->hw?
  • [16:43:36] <arcanescu> yes hw->hw->display
  • [16:43:54] <arcanescu> I have not tested playing the same file on the hw yet....
  • [16:43:55] <arcanescu> trying now
  • [16:44:16] <av500> arcanescu: no
  • [16:44:26] <av500> you have to record the data while you see the corruction
  • [16:44:35] <av500> corruption
  • [16:44:41] <arcanescu> tee?
  • [16:44:50] <av500> coffee?
  • [16:44:56] <arcanescu> i meant using a tee
  • [16:44:57] <arcanescu> :)
  • [16:44:59] <arcanescu> ?
  • [16:45:02] <av500> arcanescu: whatever
  • [16:45:09] <arcanescu> okay
  • [16:45:10] <av500> something that does not change your setup much
  • [16:45:26] <av500> [17:56:25] <av500> its as easy as open/write/close
  • [16:45:53] <arcanescu> thats what I did with saving file.... open write close
  • [16:46:02] <av500> so why do you ask for tee?
  • [16:46:15] <mru> maybe he wants to play golf
  • [16:46:33] <arcanescu> because you said save the file when you se the corruption so you want me to hw->hw save + display
  • [16:46:47] <av500> yes
  • [16:46:54] <av500> thats when the "write" comes to play
  • [16:47:13] <av500> there where you do decode(data, size);
  • [16:47:22] <av500> you add write(dump_fd, data, size );
  • [16:48:01] <arcanescu> okay
  • [16:51:02] <arcanescu> this was using gstreamer.... so I thought tee might be useful
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  • [16:56:29] <av500> arcanescu: the idea is to probe as less intrusive as possible
  • [16:57:00] <arcanescu> I agree.... for now its all pointing at the decoder
  • [16:57:13] <av500> not until you prove it
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  • [17:06:27] <arcanescu> av500: same stream on the display : artifacts on the pc same file = no aritifacts
  • [17:06:50] <arcanescu> running them side by side
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  • [17:11:29] <sakoman_> koen: you'll want to add this patch to the patches in the omap3-sgx-modules build
  • [17:11:32] <sakoman_> http://pastebin.com/FNkhVhAs
  • [17:12:18] <sakoman_> the header handling in that sgx code is an abomination
  • [17:12:33] <sakoman_> talk about feeling dirty!
  • [17:12:33] <av500> sakoman_: :)
  • [17:12:53] <av500> sakoman_: why doesnt the kernel provide an API to query header files per version?
  • [17:12:54] <sakoman_> but at any rate that fixes the build
  • [17:13:07] <arcanescu> av500: decoder?
  • [17:13:25] <av500> arcanescu: probably, go shout at TI
  • [17:13:42] <av500> if you are 100% sure that the same bits end up in your file and decoded
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  • [17:15:29] <arcanescu> yes
  • [17:15:40] <arcanescu> 100% i had teh camera pointing to my screen
  • [17:15:56] <arcanescu> so you can see on the pc the other display with the artifacts and the one on the pc with none
  • [17:16:07] <arcanescu> i can even upload that on TI I Think
  • [17:16:25] <av500> arcanescu: how did you get the data to the PC?
  • [17:16:37] <arcanescu> nfs mounted
  • [17:16:53] <arcanescu> so the save file is on the pc
  • [17:16:58] <av500> ok
  • [17:17:04] <av500> now go shout at TI
  • [17:17:27] <arcanescu> okay
  • [17:24:38] <prpplague> jkridner|work: ping
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  • [17:37:24] <jkridner> pong
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  • [17:44:22] <jkridner> do people read these freelancer requests here? http://www.freelancer.com/projects/Linux/Linux-Installation-Beagleboard.html
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  • [17:50:36] <av500> jkridner: lol: "4. Frieelancer needs to install the latest Flash player version on the bootable ubuntu Micro-SD."
  • [17:50:45] * av500 lances some fries at jkridner
  • [17:51:16] <jkridner> just the stupidity of the request?
  • [17:51:40] <av500> all fo the above
  • [17:51:42] <av500> of
  • [17:53:49] <ds2> Hmmm
  • [17:54:20] <ds2> from the logs, makerfaire did better then OSCON :/
  • [17:54:39] <av500> did what?
  • [17:54:54] <ds2> better attended by embedded interested folks
  • [17:56:12] <av500> ah
  • [18:05:54] <ds2> wheeeee PCB is here
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  • [18:06:17] <emeb> ds2: what's the 'wheeeee PCB' do?
  • [18:06:53] <ds2> emeb: everything (not kidding with the options I am squeezing in.)
  • [18:07:17] <emeb> ds2: sounds fun. This a BB expansion dohickey?
  • [18:07:33] <ds2> I actually need to find out if the option jumpers will cost more then some of the parts :/
  • [18:07:41] <ds2> emeb: sort of
  • [18:08:06] <ds2> it has talks to the outside world
  • [18:08:14] <emeb> handy.
  • [18:08:23] <ds2> the trick now is to mount the BGAs by hand ;)
  • [18:08:31] <emeb> owche!
  • [18:08:45] <emeb> what kind of stuff you doing that needs BGAs?
  • [18:08:58] <ds2> sensors that aren't available in any other packages
  • [18:09:32] <emeb> oh yeah - MEMS accels & gyros don't come in qfps and SOIC any more
  • [18:09:49] <ds2> yep
  • [18:09:58] <emeb> bastards
  • [18:10:07] <ds2> the ironic thing is 1/3 of the board is a 0.1" through hole prototyping area ;)
  • [18:10:21] <emeb> are these actual BGA, or just chipscale/qfn?
  • [18:10:44] <emeb> (I've had pretty good luck doing qfn by hand)
  • [18:10:49] <ds2> chipscale BGAs, single row of balls so it isn't that horrible but it is 0.5mm pitched
  • [18:11:08] <emeb> sounds pretty doable.
  • [18:11:17] <ds2> I might be able to talk a rework guy into doing it for me
  • [18:11:48] <emeb> I've seen where you can get individual solder stencils for stuff like that.
  • [18:12:05] <emeb> DX used to sell them of all things.
  • [18:12:06] <ds2> this guy does it with wire solder!
  • [18:12:15] <emeb> yeow!
  • [18:12:29] <ds2> if I go that route, I can laser cut a stencil out of mylar
  • [18:12:46] <ds2> I am thinking of begging/borrowing a hot air tool after heavily tinning the pads
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  • [18:12:52] <emeb> I suppose if you've got BGA balls already then you might get by with just gel/paste flux and a reflow
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  • [18:13:19] <ds2> the catch here is the sensor package has all sorts of notes about not doing this and that to it
  • [18:13:25] * emeb does TSSOP with only pre-tinned boards and gel flux
  • [18:13:47] <emeb> ds2: heating, etc?
  • [18:14:01] <ds2> yes, heating and washing and temperature profiles
  • [18:14:23] <emeb> wonder how washing comes in - not hermetic?
  • [18:14:57] <ds2> emeb: btw, have you seen my write/video for doing analog input on the Beagle?
  • [18:15:19] <emeb> ds2: no - sounds interesting. linky?
  • [18:15:23] <ds2> I donno... all I know is sealed relays and other sensors say not to wash them and they mean it. I get 100% failure by ignoring that
  • [18:15:58] <ds2> emeb: http://www.hy-research.com/blcd_bonus.html has links to the videos
  • [18:16:41] <emeb> kewl
  • [18:16:41] <ds2> I should go check to see how much is a hotair gun at frys
  • [18:17:33] <emeb> got my eye on this one: http://www.web-tronics.com/hotairgunwdi.html
  • [18:17:38] <ds2> better make sure the board works before talking too much about it though ;)
  • [18:17:51] <emeb> details.
  • [18:18:16] <ds2> they are local to you... it is a tad bit of a drive for me ;)
  • [18:18:36] <emeb> yeah. About 4 miles from me.
  • [18:18:38] <ds2> but that is the kind of stuff I am looking for. IIRC, that is a H**ko (sp) clone
  • [18:18:58] <emeb> I've got a H* iron that's just dandy.
  • [18:19:25] <ds2> been there before, most stuff, IIRC, is behind the counter :(
  • [18:19:37] <ds2> I prefer my metcal :D
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  • [18:20:10] <emeb> yup. Used to be out on the floor years ago - I remember going there in college ('85 timeframe) been around a while.
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  • [18:23:21] <emeb> ds2: nice videos. Sounds like there's bubbling water in the background.
  • [18:23:45] <ds2> emeb: heheh, I was hoping people won't notice. room has an aquarium
  • [18:24:20] <ds2> bbl
  • [18:24:22] <djlewis> emeb: likes his music loud ;)
  • [18:25:00] <emeb> djlewis: heh - at first I thought it was audio compression artifacts, but then it was still there when there was no narration.
  • [18:25:30] <djlewis> working those engineer skills overtime :)
  • [18:27:12] <djlewis> hehe, i just played that. I figure he recorded while in the tub.
  • [18:27:23] <djlewis> not an aquarium
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  • [18:30:29] <emeb> lol - in the tub.
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  • [19:27:48] <Tim> Beagle board for Xmbc anyone?
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  • [19:39:18] <jacekowski> barely working apparently
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  • [20:19:38] <ant__> koen: bitbake -s did find only the old recipe. You know how I solved? Decreasing meta-zaurus preference to 6 like meta-oe. Then the merge of recipes works and the new one is unmasjed.
  • [20:19:57] <ant__> sounds like a bug
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  • [21:13:10] <ds2> Hmm
  • [21:13:37] <ds2> djlewis: tubs are analog :P
  • [21:14:50] <woglinde> hi ds2
  • [21:14:54] <ds2> hi woglinde
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  • [21:19:46] <ds2> that's funny...`in
  • [21:19:46] <ds2> essence destroy the board by removing the memory that is currently mounted
  • [21:19:47] <ds2> on top of the processor.'
  • [21:19:58] <ds2> having done it a few times, the board still works
  • [21:21:13] <prpplague> as have i
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  • [21:21:19] <prpplague> ds2: where are you reading that?
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  • [21:22:23] <ds2> prpplague: that's gerald's response regarding GPMC access
  • [21:22:35] <prpplague> ahh
  • [21:22:46] * prpplague checks the list
  • [21:22:48] <ds2> catching up on mail after OSCON
  • [21:22:58] <prpplague> ds2: the beagle list getting hammered with GPMC questions too?
  • [21:23:39] <ds2> no, just that one
  • [21:23:53] <prpplague> ahh
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  • [21:23:59] <ds2> what I am waiting for is the signal integrity questions on the P list
  • [21:23:59] <ds2> ;)
  • [21:24:21] <prpplague> ds2: with regards to what?
  • [21:24:33] <prpplague> ds2: the gpmc ?
  • [21:24:35] <ds2> GPMC isn't fun til someone puts a 1meter long extension on that bus and expect it to work at full speed with an FPGA on the other end ;)
  • [21:24:43] <prpplague> ds2: ahh right
  • [21:25:04] <prpplague> ds2: hehe, yea i've already gotten those kinds of questions already
  • [21:25:23] <ds2> hahah
  • [21:26:22] <prpplague> ds2: and from inside TI no less
  • [21:27:07] <ds2> whoa
  • [21:27:50] <ds2> that kind of stuff was covered in a Sophmore level class (IIRC) with an 80188 as the chip being talked about
  • [21:28:00] <ds2> do people not listen in class at all?!
  • [21:29:04] <woglinde> hm whats the rumor ti sells omap devision?
  • [21:29:54] <ds2> I am guessing they need to divest stuff now that they have the almighty COP8 ;)
  • [21:31:20] <woglinde> hm thats like the 70's where they forced out morris chang and where happy with there table calcs
  • [21:31:56] <ds2> morris chang? /me look
  • [21:32:54] <woglinde> ceo of tmsc
  • [21:33:09] <woglinde> ieee magazin has nice stories
  • [21:33:21] <ds2> found an overview
  • [21:33:57] <ds2> but isn't it enough that not being able to hire Mr Pease back!?
  • [21:34:19] <woglinde> na he is to old now
  • [21:34:56] <ds2> actually, we lost him a few months ago :(
  • [21:35:14] <woglinde> and why should they hire him back, now where they are going to selling the research division again
  • [21:35:26] <woglinde> hm
  • [21:35:30] <woglinde> oh
  • [21:35:58] <woglinde> ds2 hm so you are working at ti too?
  • [21:36:06] <ds2> don't think even the wireless guys can open a channel to him
  • [21:36:06] <woglinde> maybee I forgot this
  • [21:36:10] <ds2> woglinde: no.
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  • [23:59:55] <damjan> how do I make bitbake redownload stuff?