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  • [01:19:00] <prpplague^2> jkridner: ping
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  • [01:26:24] <ds2> arrgggggg
  • [01:26:46] <ds2> why can't TI follow the convention of putting recommended pad size like everyone else@!#$#!@#!@
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  • [01:27:07] <prpplague^2> ds2: that would be tooooooo easy
  • [01:28:18] <prpplague^2> ds2: you ever had customs put duty on any of the electronics components you imported?
  • [01:28:26] <ds2> prpplague^2: nope
  • [01:28:47] <ds2> prpplague^2: are they doing that to you?
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  • [01:32:14] <prpplague^2> ds2: i was charged $25 duty on some RGB leds i brought in
  • [01:32:38] <ds2> prpplague^2: what country and who charged it?
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  • [01:35:41] <prpplague^2> ds2: USCIS
  • [01:36:15] <ds2> what country did it come from?
  • [01:36:18] <prpplague^2> cina
  • [01:36:20] <prpplague^2> china
  • [01:36:59] <prpplague^2> guess i'll have to call the freight forwarder tomorrow to find out why
  • [01:37:14] <ds2> freight forwarder? how many did you buy?
  • [01:37:30] <ds2> I normally have a common carrier clear customs for me
  • [01:37:41] <ds2> maybe they take care of it if it is below a certain amount
  • [01:38:06] <prpplague^2> ds2: that is possible
  • [01:38:10] <thurbad> what was the declared value?
  • [01:38:34] <prpplague^2> thurbad: around $250 USD
  • [01:38:56] <ds2> $250 real or declared?
  • [01:39:09] <prpplague^2> ds2: real of course, why would it be different?
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  • [01:39:30] <ds2> depends on seller
  • [01:39:37] <ds2> some sellers underdeclare
  • [01:39:38] <thurbad> because most people fudge when they hand carry stuff in
  • [01:39:55] <prpplague^2> thurbad: ?
  • [01:40:24] <prpplague^2> ds2: the invoice was correct and matched the declared value
  • [01:40:27] <thurbad> or not by hand :P
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  • [01:40:55] <prpplague^2> just never had a duty fee before
  • [01:41:23] <thurbad> still a lot of people do underdeclare, probably more than 50% but that's not backed by anything
  • [01:41:24] <ds2> IIRC, there is some description thing that has a major effect
  • [01:41:39] <ds2> stuff like duty on a screw is different from duty on a bolt and there has been arguments on that stuff before
  • [01:41:55] <ds2> maybe your invoice said 'lighting device' instead of electronic parts?
  • [01:43:37] <prpplague^2> ds2: that is what i am guessing
  • [01:43:50] <ds2> and those are hard to dispute
  • [01:44:05] <ds2> the machinery import folks apparently run in that more often
  • [01:44:57] <prpplague^2> ds2: i've seen in barbados, pens and pencils get mistakenly put in the same group as printers and copy machines
  • [01:45:25] <thurbad> ~.~
  • [01:46:00] <ds2> hahahaah
  • [01:46:33] <ds2> wonder how far would I get in I try to sell 'manual' printers and copiers ;)
  • [01:46:45] <ds2> just add a monk
  • [01:47:12] * prpplague^2 will call tomorrow to find out the reason for the duty
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  • [01:48:29] <ds2> s/in/if/
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  • [02:08:27] <daniel_ohh> Hello. I am trying to connect a USB UART device (MSP430 dev board) to a beagleboard running android with the rowboat pre-built images. Using either the Terminal Emulator on the device or using ADB, I can see several TTYSx devices in /dev but I can't connect to them. Is there any way to communicate to a UART device at the kernel level?
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  • [02:18:18] <prpplague^2> ds2: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/334/~/user-fee---merchandise-processing-fees
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  • [03:29:07] <daniel_ohh> I asked this earlier, so I apologize for the duplicate message, but maybe someone can help me now.
  • [03:29:11] <daniel_ohh> I am trying to connect a USB UART device (MSP430 dev board) to a beagleboard running android with the rowboat pre-built images. Using either the Terminal Emulator on the device or using ADB, I can see several TTYSx devices in /dev but I can't connect to them. Is there any way to communicate to a UART device at the kernel level?
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  • [03:33:54] <ds2> prpplague: sounds like that is something the common carriers cover or is brushed under the "customs clearance fees"
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  • [04:06:38] <dm8tbr> daniel_ohh: first check dmesg to see if a driver is loaded
  • [04:08:18] <daniel_ohh> how will I tell if the correct driver is installed?
  • [04:08:58] <dm8tbr> chech which kernel module is loaded on a desktop linux
  • [04:09:40] <daniel_ohh> and compare that to the output of dmesg?
  • [04:09:42] <ds2> see if the agency can give you specs?
  • [04:11:36] <daniel_ohh> It looks like I don't have a drive in Android. I might look into using a different device
  • [04:16:22] <dm8tbr> huh? you're easy to give up...
  • [04:16:35] <dm8tbr> besides why android?
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  • [04:17:37] <daniel_ohh> well the microcontroller I'm using isn't set in stone
  • [04:18:10] <daniel_ohh> I got a free msp430 dev kit but I was looking at buying a better/newer one anyways
  • [04:18:33] <daniel_ohh> So if I'm going to write a driver, I would rather wait until I get the new kit
  • [04:18:58] <daniel_ohh> and android per customer specs. The beagleboard is a familiar platform.
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  • [04:23:25] <dm8tbr> daniel_ohh: I doubt that there is no linux driver at all for the msp430. that's why I ask. (it probably comes up as usb2serial or sthg like that)
  • [04:24:54] <daniel_ohh> IS there a way to attach a UART/Serial peripheral to the beagleboard without using USB?
  • [04:25:35] <daniel_ohh> i.e. a pin-to-pin connection?
  • [04:26:14] <dm8tbr> the beagle has 3 UARTs, yes
  • [04:27:11] <daniel_ohh> Available over the main expansion, correct?
  • [04:29:12] <dm8tbr> dunno, read the documentation?
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  • [04:29:32] <daniel_ohh> yup. just downloaded it.
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  • [05:18:11] <mru> ds2: the video wall player is based on libav...
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  • [06:23:17] <ds2> mru: stock libav, no mods?
  • [06:25:42] <mru> yes
  • [06:27:05] <ds2> can that sync system be adapted for 2 boards to play alternate frames? i.e. Beagle1 plays odd frames, Beagle 2 plays even frames? (while maintaining the interleave)
  • [06:27:57] <mru> try and find out :)
  • [06:29:02] <ds2> okay
  • [06:29:20] <ds2> or just redesign things to not depend on the sync ;)
  • [06:29:23] <_av500_> ds2: both still have to decode all frames
  • [06:29:36] <_av500_> sure you can drop every 2nd on display
  • [06:30:10] <ds2> gotcha, so I gain nothing... was hoping for one of them to do all the sync work
  • [06:30:46] <_av500_> ds2: well, you can encode the videos with half fps
  • [06:30:55] <_av500_> then the load on each is halved
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  • [06:31:40] <ds2> encoding isn't even a requirement. I just want a way to show 2 images in a synchronized manner
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  • [06:34:26] <_av500_> you change the spec as we speak!
  • [06:34:59] <mru> a true customer
  • [06:36:14] <ds2> change? I never speced anything
  • [06:36:45] <ds2> I was and has been looking for a way to show 2 images in sync. just thought I could toss the beagle wall stuff with a few minor mods and have it done
  • [06:36:58] <_av500_> 2 images in sync?
  • [06:37:03] <_av500_> like static images?
  • [06:37:29] <_av500_> or a synced slide show?
  • [06:38:19] <_av500_> mru: we will make a killing "consulting" this one :)
  • [06:38:41] <ds2> video would be nice
  • [06:38:52] <ds2> I'll just hack up something... and give up reusing existing code :P
  • [06:39:20] <_av500_> make sure it scales massivley
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  • [06:40:42] <ds2> who cares about scaling
  • [06:41:02] <mru> dss does scaling
  • [06:41:19] <ds2> it is all just userland crap...write once, use never ;)
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  • [06:42:32] <_av500_> ds2: remind me to never hire you for my google-killer startup
  • [06:43:08] <ds2> heheh
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  • [06:45:22] <buZz> ds2: http://www.nimk.nl/syncstarter
  • [06:45:24] <ds2> sync'ed GPIOs with 2 processes on each side blocking on /dev/input/event...each unblock, memcpy image to fb0 and repeat. drive GPIO from a timer
  • [06:45:34] <ds2> that should be simple enough to do
  • [06:45:43] <ynezz> or sync it via email
  • [06:45:46] <ynezz> easier
  • [06:46:10] <ds2> sync'ing GPIO is much easier to dealing with sw
  • [06:47:21] <ds2> clock from the PWM signal driving a pair of transistors to trigger the sync single
  • [06:47:25] <ds2> there. all designed
  • [06:47:37] <ynezz> it's boring
  • [06:47:47] <ynezz> I would add that email to make it look more rocket science
  • [06:49:40] <_av500_> get both beagles a g+ account
  • [06:49:49] <ds2> hahahahahahaha
  • [06:49:51] <ynezz> buZz: actually I was thinking about udp too, but rather about something like zmq (easier)
  • [06:50:35] <buZz> i never used this, but i have seen it used in art installations quite often
  • [06:51:04] <buZz> personally, would just split the video output :)
  • [06:51:07] <ynezz> :)
  • [06:51:21] <ds2> goal isn't to mess with sw, there are more interesting stuff
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  • [06:53:21] <ds2> nevermind all that. I'll just keep them async
  • [06:53:36] <ynezz> :)
  • [06:54:38] <ds2> in case anyone is curious, I am experimenting with 3D stuff
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  • [06:55:20] <dm8tbr> no one would have guessed :)
  • [06:55:37] <ds2> :P
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  • [07:01:55] <mru> 3d really needs good sync
  • [07:03:30] <ds2> unless I am feeding live footage from 2 cameras
  • [07:03:45] <ds2> avoids the sync issue
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  • [07:08:46] <mru> if you have the same constant latency on both, yes
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  • [07:10:37] <ds2> *nod*
  • [07:10:54] <ds2> worse comes to worse, hw handshaking
  • [07:11:22] <ds2> but rigging up the optics is a bigger challenge
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  • [07:43:33] <koen> good morning all
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  • [10:26:43] <koen> av500: I wonder if that dude did 'mv foo.mp3 foo.wav'
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  • [11:34:48] <Eric`> hi
  • [11:35:17] <koen> lo
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  • [11:36:20] <Eric`> is it possible to buy beagle board in France?
  • [11:37:15] <koen> yes, go to beagleboard.org and click "buy"
  • [11:37:24] <koen> at least digikey has offices in france
  • [11:37:36] <Eric`> no
  • [11:44:05] <mru> it's funny how many refuse to take yes for an answer
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  • [11:52:58] <Eric`> no french people in this discussion?
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  • [12:00:59] <adj> digikey even has french pages, fr.digikey.fr, euro prices and free shipping. So what's the problem?
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  • [12:06:09] <Eric`> adj: it's not a problem but the available quantity is null :(
  • [12:06:38] <koen> they get weekly deliveries, just order it and wait
  • [12:07:11] <Eric`> ok
  • [12:07:57] <Eric`> I hesitate a lot with pandaboard :(
  • [12:08:15] <Eric`> the price is equivalent
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  • [12:19:00] <ssvb> armin76, mru: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349814#c15
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  • [12:20:23] <ssvb> ffmpeg is a bit too fragile and such reports are recurring over and over again
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  • [12:53:30] <armin76> ssvb: i blame mru
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  • [13:12:09] <arcanescu> anyone here got gst-rtsp-server working on beagle?
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  • [13:39:49] <Colnagok> In configuring the xM board for the USB Host function. Does the reset pin on GPIO 147 need to be requested separately? In the ECHI structure there is a spot to indicate which pin is reset.
  • [13:40:35] <Colnagok> Seems like in giving it (gpio 147) to the EHCI struct would be enough.
  • [13:40:46] <Colnagok> Can anyone help clarify?
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  • [13:53:46] <porcupineG> hi, how can i mount mmcblk0p1 with write perms ?
  • [13:54:00] <porcupineG> i got this root@dm37x-evm:~# mount -rw /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmcblk0p1/ mount: block device /dev/mmcblk0p1 is write-protected but explicit `-w' flag given
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  • [13:57:42] <porcupineG> anybody?
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  • [14:10:51] <mranostay> heh i hate people that quit before you can answer their question
  • [14:11:25] <av500> why? its less work for you
  • [14:11:49] <mranostay> ok that is one way to look at it, i guess :)
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  • [14:27:53] <djlewis> gm
  • [14:28:03] <av500> mg
  • [14:28:29] <djlewis> arcanescu: you could have re written gst-rsp-streamer in all these days you have been asking
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  • [14:31:29] <djlewis> +t
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  • [14:33:44] <arcanescu> djlewis..... its compiled it just crashes on a fwe lines and im not sure why
  • [14:34:05] <arcanescu> http://pastebin.com/GF19DjYp here is the problem.... and i dont know what it is
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  • [14:44:53] <djlewis> arcanescu: this starts out with your error and claims resolve at the end.
  • [14:44:56] <djlewis> arcanescu: http://e2e.ti.com/support/embedded/f/354/p/38951/170977.aspx
  • [14:45:32] <djlewis> error is seen in many usage forms
  • [14:46:17] <djlewis> find the common denominator and go from there
  • [14:46:30] <av500> arcanescu: your gst-ti related questions are best asked in #gst-ti
  • [14:46:32] <arcanescu> hmmmmm
  • [14:46:37] <av500> but nobody will answer you there
  • [14:46:46] <av500> all you will hear is to ask in ti e2e
  • [14:46:48] <arcanescu> yes av500 i know they told me to speak to you
  • [14:46:53] <av500> WTF?
  • [14:46:55] <arcanescu> Darren
  • [14:47:05] <djlewis> hehee
  • [14:47:09] <arcanescu> receommended you were the guy to speak on @video@ issues
  • [14:47:19] <av500> ok, dont use gst
  • [14:47:21] <av500> solved
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  • [14:47:30] <arcanescu> alternatives?
  • [14:47:41] <arcanescu> for rtsp server
  • [14:47:45] <arcanescu> live555?
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  • [14:49:47] <av500> arcanescu: no idea
  • [14:49:53] <av500> find out what the issue is
  • [14:50:04] <av500> I guess its more codec specific than rtsp specific
  • [14:50:33] <arcanescu> i would agree..... i changed my linux utils to 2.25 as mentioned in the post by djlewis
  • [14:50:38] <arcanescu> but I did not change the codecs
  • [14:50:55] <arcanescu> so maybe im also having a codec incompatiblity but im not getting the same message as the guy on the post
  • [14:52:08] <av500> arcanescu: does you rtsp test work on the PC?
  • [14:52:27] <av500> since your pipeline has nothing BB specific...
  • [14:52:43] <av500> so maybe you should ask in #gstreamer
  • [14:53:04] <arcanescu> using just gstreamer i was able to stream rtpudp from board to pc - board to board
  • [14:53:15] <arcanescu> pc - > board
  • [14:53:21] <arcanescu> my only problem there is the caps
  • [14:53:35] * av500 does not wear caps
  • [14:53:44] <arcanescu> how to get the caps automatically so i decided to explore rtsp
  • [14:53:52] <arcanescu> otherwise that solution works well for me
  • [14:53:55] * av500 knows nothing about gst
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  • [15:01:09] <djlewis> arcanescu: was that the complete error report you pasted? anything different torwards the end?
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  • [15:01:36] <arcanescu> djlewis: nothing diffrent just that
  • [15:01:42] <djlewis> oh
  • [15:02:02] <djlewis> arcanescu: you did the CMEM checks too?
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  • [15:02:35] <arcanescu> can you please explain that?
  • [15:02:47] <djlewis> in the link i posted
  • [15:03:21] <av500> djlewis: no cmem
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  • [15:04:05] <djlewis> hmm
  • [15:04:40] <djlewis> well, thats it for my level of help on the topic then :)
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  • [15:06:16] <arcanescu> thanks ill try to update my codec see if it has anything to do with that
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  • [15:07:39] <av500> arcanescu: you are not using a codec on your commandline, no?
  • [15:08:04] <av500> videotestsrc ! contiguousInputFrame=TRUE ! rtph264pay pt=96 name=pay0
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  • [15:08:10] <av500> right?
  • [15:09:13] * djlewis starts his egg timer ;)
  • [15:09:13] <arcanescu> for this one im not
  • [15:09:36] <arcanescu> if i try..... I still get the same messages
  • [15:09:42] <djlewis> argh, barely got it flipped over.
  • [15:10:16] <av500> arcanescu: try asking more coherent questions then
  • [15:10:46] <arcanescu> ./lt-test-launch "( videotestsrc ! TIVidenc1 codecName=h264enc engineName=encode contiguousInputFrame=TRUE bitRate=100000 ! rtph264pay name=pay0 pt=96 )"
  • [15:10:55] <arcanescu> this is the pipeline
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  • [15:15:14] <av500> nice to meet you
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  • [15:35:37] <djlewis> 3.5 hrs to todays peak temps and 98F already
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  • [15:37:31] <av500> 98uF rather
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  • [15:50:14] <mru> hmm, what does that make a uC?
  • [15:50:24] <Russ> a very large negative number
  • [15:51:33] <Russ> -17.7e6 uC or something
  • [15:51:58] <Russ> oi
  • [15:52:38] <Russ> I got sucked into reliability testing at work, and because of the daytime temps, we have to do all our testing 3rd shift
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  • [15:53:11] <mru> got too many failures during the day?
  • [15:53:25] <Russ> you'd die I think
  • [15:54:10] <Russ> we have to wear IOTVs with about a dozen pounds of equipment and an ACH
  • [15:55:54] <av500> you have to what and what?
  • [15:57:11] <Russ> hmmm...actually they might be MICH/ACH
  • [15:57:17] <mru> he wears an Input Ouput TeleVision
  • [15:59:13] <Russ> 3.6 pounds on your head for hours, fun times
  • [15:59:18] <av500> Improved Outer Tactical Vest
  • [15:59:37] <Russ> even in the wee hours of the morning its some 90F and humid
  • [15:59:45] <av500> Advanced Combat Helmet
  • [16:00:37] <Russ> on the plus side, I'm protected from small arms and shrapnel
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  • [16:03:35] <wmat> koen: the Meld newsletter just went out with your interview in it, so the traffic will likely spike today.
  • [16:04:38] <Russ> meld as in the qt community?
  • [16:04:53] <av500> wasnt meld some 3 way diff tool?
  • [16:05:17] <Russ> thats why I'm asking
  • [16:05:30] <Russ> or was meld the montavista thing
  • [16:05:58] <av500> wasnt it the spock thing?
  • [16:06:01] <Russ> probably the montavista thing
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  • [16:06:16] <av500> ja
  • [16:06:27] <mru> Russ: what are you testing?
  • [16:06:37] <Russ> stupid nett warrior crap
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  • [16:10:43] <Russ> morons, x86 and rhel5 for a wearable system
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  • [16:12:52] <Russ> I was sitting around going, dammit, how do I get the meld newsletter
  • [16:12:58] <Russ> it just popped up, anyone want it?
  • [16:13:09] <av500> http://meld.org/blog/spotlight/koen-kooi
  • [16:14:28] <Russ> or that
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  • [16:22:59] <Guest60369> hi all..what kind of camera do i need to check video capture drivers on beagle?
  • [16:24:59] <av500> where is NotTooDumb3 and what did you do to him?
  • [16:25:58] <Guest60369> did not identify in given time while logging in so login id changed to Guest
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  • [16:27:44] <Russ> whichever camera works with the video capture driver you are testing
  • [16:28:16] * av500 guesses the driver is autogenerated
  • [16:28:28] <Guest60369> av500, no
  • [16:28:56] <Guest60369> what is the easiest and most famous video capture driver?
  • [16:29:16] <koen> betamax
  • [16:29:32] <av500> super-8
  • [16:29:34] <Guest60369> how is v4l2src?
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  • [16:30:00] <Russ> that isn't a driver, now is it?
  • [16:30:15] * av500 invokes esr
  • [16:30:17] <Russ> thats a gstreamer component that talks to v4l2
  • [16:30:35] <Guest60369> i mean v4l2 driver
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  • [16:30:56] <Russ> is there a v4l2 driver called v4l2src?
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  • [16:31:42] <Russ> git grep v4l2src on linux-2.6.git says no
  • [16:32:14] <Guest60369> Russ, i do not know which driver gstreamer uses in v4l2src, but i thought there is a driver called v4l2
  • [16:32:21] <Guest60369> ok..
  • [16:32:26] <Russ> *sigh*
  • [16:32:30] <Russ> v4l2 is an API
  • [16:32:40] <Russ> v4l2src is a gstreamer component that talks to that API
  • [16:32:46] <Russ> many drivers hook into that API
  • [16:32:58] <Russ> http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page <- start here maybe?
  • [16:34:57] <Guest60369> Russ, thank you..i will study that page...
  • [16:35:02] <Guest60369> av500, what is esr?
  • [16:35:20] <prpplague> Crofton|work: ping
  • [16:35:22] <Russ> raymond
  • [16:35:45] <Russ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond
  • [16:36:47] <Guest60369> why esr? but page seems to be interesting..i will go through this also
  • [16:36:50] <av500> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
  • [16:37:20] <Russ> http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/57072-million-processor-computer-to-model-the-human-brain?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tgdaily_all_sections%20%28TG%20Daily%20-%20All%20News%29
  • [16:37:26] <Russ> wonder which arm processors they are using
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  • [16:39:02] <Guest60369> av500, Russ thank you
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  • [16:39:50] <Russ> oh geez, they are making their on silicon based on ARM968
  • [16:40:32] <av500> why not?
  • [16:41:20] <Russ> dunno, suppose if you are making a 50k of them
  • [16:41:27] <Russ> (20 cores per die)
  • [16:41:34] <Russ> (one million cores)
  • [16:41:59] <Russ> how do I get on that project?
  • [16:42:05] <av500> since each is one neuron you dont need an A8....
  • [16:42:15] <Russ> each is 100 neurons
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  • [16:53:03] <djlewis_> will it fit in my head when it is finished?
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  • [17:09:25] <khem> djlewis_: it will fit provided you have empty sockets left :)
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  • [17:22:48] <thurbad> are there any free gdb's for jtag out there (preferably linux based) that a decent for kernel level debugging or is code composer studio the way to go?
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  • [17:28:27] <av500> thurbad: lauterbach works here :)
  • [17:29:09] <av500> ccs can also load kernel symbols I think
  • [17:29:39] <av500> lauterbach is cool because the put the whole TRM into their SW
  • [17:29:49] <av500> so you get all the register decriptions etc..
  • [17:32:18] <thurbad> does that work with other jtag hardware?
  • [17:32:27] <av500> no idea
  • [17:32:31] <av500> we have the lauterbach one
  • [17:32:35] <av500> and the XDS560
  • [17:32:57] <av500> thurbad: are you sure you need jtag?
  • [17:33:36] <dm8tbr> lauterbach comes at a price though :)
  • [17:33:38] <thurbad> need to debug the kernel boot sequence to see what's going on with hardware that's not coming up
  • [17:33:52] <av500> thurbad: printf not an option?
  • [17:34:04] <av500> but yes, thats a rare case where we have used it too
  • [17:34:18] <av500> after printf'ing failed
  • [17:34:41] <thurbad> price is an issue, but not the only issue.. been through several weeks with a couple of contractors so far, spent quite a bit more money than the jtag gdb will cost
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  • [17:51:43] <khem> thurbad: BDI is good but at a price.
  • [17:52:11] <khem> thurbad: qemu/gdb combination is good for some kernel level debugging as well
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  • [18:14:29] <Crofton|work> prpplague, pong
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  • [18:31:41] <ds2> why do you think you need jtag to debug the kernel?
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  • [18:35:06] <thurbad> ds2, we're trying to find where something is going wrong in hardware bringup, and printk isn't quite cutting it
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  • [18:44:48] <ds2> thurbad: there are ways of doing that w/o JTAG
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  • [18:49:31] <thurbad> ok, any idea where I'd start googling for that?
  • [18:52:09] <ds2> this is basic embedded debugging stuff... consider this - how do you debug one of those tiny PICs w/o a debugger?
  • [18:52:21] <ds2> and I am not talking about simulators
  • [18:53:10] <thurbad> errm, until now I haven't, I'm more an app developer
  • [18:53:20] <ds2> look at this way - study the schematic, find the observation points. do things to provide stimulus for the observation point AND will let you eliminate possiblities
  • [18:53:35] <thurbad> accept for college on a breadboard with leds
  • [18:53:39] <ds2> sounds like you are far from home ;)
  • [18:53:49] <thurbad> yes,I am
  • [18:53:54] <ds2> if you got LEDs and they are connected in a sane manner, use it
  • [18:54:09] <ds2> (sane being define as not behind 124231203423904923084230984931240923894832109408132948132094 muxes, fpgas, and other crap)
  • [18:55:07] <ds2> and if it is really a HW problem, jtag can make it worse - it can change timings
  • [18:55:18] <thurbad> we do have several gpio test points, but we don't even know where it's not working... we're not getting crashes, the devices just don't all come up
  • [18:56:00] <ds2> then, find out if it comes up!
  • [18:56:12] <thurbad> it doesn't
  • [18:56:20] <ds2> this is the Cortex-A8 based chips from TI, right?
  • [18:56:31] <thurbad> yes, omap 3530
  • [18:56:47] <thurbad> it's the usb that's not coming up
  • [18:57:00] <ds2> Okay, look at the sysboot config... configure it for serial boot
  • [18:57:35] <ds2> hook up a terminal and see if you see the boot request. if not, jtag won't do crap other then maybe let you do a BDM for bad joints
  • [18:58:05] <ds2> so? let USB stay down til the system get somewhere. if it don't boot, USB is getting ahead of yourself
  • [18:58:41] <ds2> and if you get UART to boot, download some assembly into the SRAM and poke around
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  • [19:11:01] <jkridner|work1> wmat: I'll check back later.
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  • [19:27:49] * mru declares valgrind still useless on arm
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  • [19:30:14] <thurbad> what do you use on arm instead?
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  • [19:30:25] <mru> nothing :(
  • [19:30:58] <thurbad> I test for leaks on an x86 port of the app... minus the video portion
  • [19:31:48] <_av500_> thurbad: model the video with libav
  • [19:31:57] <mru> it's useful to test the actual arm code
  • [19:32:12] <mru> at least when you lots of asm
  • [19:32:17] <thurbad> I'm sure it is.. that's why I asked what you used :)
  • [19:33:17] <thurbad> yeah I've got a hacked up ffplay for the x86 video.. pretty ugly though
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  • [19:44:43] <ssvb> mru: I'm sure you are reporting all the bugs you manage to find, right?
  • [19:44:58] <mru> I intend to
  • [19:45:03] <mru> once I figure out just what the bug is
  • [19:45:12] <mru> in more detail than libav fft fucks up
  • [19:49:39] <ssvb> maybe if you have a perfectly reproducible libav based testcase, that could be even enough
  • [19:51:30] <ssvb> I have not ever looked into valgrind internals, but when I was maintaining a jit powered emulator engine myself, I had quite a number of tweaks to disable certain optimizations
  • [19:52:16] <ssvb> playing with your testcase might give some ideas to valgrind maintainers
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  • [21:02:10] <mru> great, valgrind from svn doesn't build
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  • [21:05:47] <ds2> there is always designing out memory management bugs
  • [21:07:04] <woglinde> yes yes
  • [21:08:26] * mru curses valgrind for using svn externals too
  • [21:08:31] <mru> bastards
  • [21:08:42] <ds2> if it ain't git, it might as well be a tarball!
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  • [21:12:32] <woglinde> hehe
  • [21:13:18] <mru> there, warmup bug fixed
  • [21:13:48] <woglinde> warmup?
  • [21:14:21] <mru> an easy one to get started with
  • [21:14:29] <woglinde> the kill stuff in the beginning?
  • [21:15:03] <mru> kill stuff?
  • [21:15:33] <woglinde> when I valgrind navit
  • [21:15:52] <woglinde> there is some strange message with kill
  • [21:16:35] <mru> what's the message?
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  • [21:21:25] <woglinde> nothing fency
  • [21:21:28] <woglinde> let me see
  • [21:21:44] <woglinde> maybe depends on the navit gdb setup
  • [21:23:25] <woglinde> ah uhm its gone
  • [21:23:57] <mru> and bug submitted
  • [21:23:59] <woglinde> ah here
  • [21:24:45] <woglinde> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/642922/
  • [21:24:53] <woglinde> was only memleak
  • [21:25:09] <mru> yeah, just a "harmless" memory leak
  • [21:27:29] <ds2> memory leaks can be harmless if you have regularly scheduled restarts
  • [21:28:46] <dm8tbr> I think microsoft has a patent on that
  • [21:29:36] <ds2> sure it is for "regular" vs random restarts?
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  • [21:42:34] <mru> my windows machines regularly restart randomly
  • [21:45:26] <prpplague> mru: it isn't random, it has an algo that determines if you have more than a certain amount of unsaved data and reboots when the value is reached
  • [21:45:43] <thurbad> heh
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  • [21:54:11] * djlewis_ swapped 3 different video cards in the XP box here at office.
  • [21:54:27] <djlewis_> it seems to stay up with a gigabyte card
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  • [21:54:47] <djlewis_> it was finally reproducable to isolate.
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  • [21:55:20] <djlewis_> streaming NASATV ustream HD would kill it in a dew seconds :)
  • [21:55:24] <djlewis_> few
  • [22:04:19] <woglinde> good nite
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  • [22:06:38] <mru> getting closer to the bug
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  • [22:16:28] <djlewis_> got your can of BugBeGone :)
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  • [22:27:30] <mru> \o/ fixed it
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  • [22:33:13] <ddompe> a bit off-topic: does any TIer knows whats the difference between an dm8148 and a dm8168? Is not very clear from docs and I can't find any table to compare them software-wise . In particular I'm concerned if the firmware for the M3 on both is exchangeable, or has different memory maps, etc?
  • [22:34:32] <mru> most likely the 48 just has some blocks disabled
  • [22:34:39] <mru> that's usually how TI numbering works
  • [22:34:52] <mru> so if the hw blocks are there, the same sw should work
  • [22:34:59] <mru> apply koen rule #3
  • [22:35:58] <ddompe> yeah, but doesn't seems to be the case. There is a 6a, 6b, 68 with the blocks disabled, and a 4a, 4b, 48 with the blocks disabled as well
  • [22:36:22] <ddompe> where the a,b,c permutations is taking off DSP, SGX, etc
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  • [22:42:35] <ds2> ddompe: guess you must have one of the more useful support guys assign to you guys ;)
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  • [23:11:29] <ddompe> ds2: support guys? I didn't know there where support guys! ;)
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