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[02:33:07] * djlewis screams at msp430 code porting
[02:34:05] <emeb_mac> djlewis: msp430 bugging you?
[02:34:22] <djlewis> emeb_mac: hi :)
[02:34:52] <emeb_mac> whatcha porting
[02:34:58] <djlewis> just a lot of ever so subtle differences in coding between ccs, iar and gcc
[02:35:08] <emeb_mac> always
[02:35:18] <emeb_mac> c != c
[02:35:24] <djlewis> I am working in map430-gcc
[02:35:58] <djlewis> right, every one wants to take their own path
[02:36:03] <emeb_mac> launchpad?
[02:36:07] <djlewis> yep
[02:36:45] <djlewis> most all of TI samples are in ccs and iar.
[02:37:23] <djlewis> interrupts, register usage is a mess to determine
[02:37:26] <emeb_mac> been there - trying to convert ARM examples from IAR or Keil to gcc
[02:37:43] <djlewis> yep, same misery
[02:37:53] <emeb_mac> all the include files are set up completely differently
[02:38:00] <emeb_mac> all the HW register definitions, etc.
[02:38:08] <djlewis> there does not seem to be a this == that anywhere
[02:38:51] <djlewis> and taking a .h from ccs or iar with their conventions is not so easy to intepret to gcc
[02:39:25] <emeb_mac> yeah - and there are always idiosyncratic compiler directives, pragmas, etc
[02:39:57] <djlewis> yep, their #pragmas dont work either
[02:40:46] <emeb_mac> I was doing some STM32 stuff a few months back that had the same issues.
[02:41:07] <djlewis> can't wait until I get past this "simple" stuff and on to the asm nightmare ;P
[02:41:24] <emeb_mac> just kept looking around until I found some good folks who had set up their own C environment for gcc
[02:41:35] <emeb_mac> asm - ugh
[02:42:19] <djlewis> for as little as I might do with the msp430 and stm32 i could stick with a xp box.
[02:42:56] <djlewis> I can build apps for both them in linux now though
[02:43:06] <emeb_mac> that's a good thing
[02:43:31] <djlewis> and program them as well
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[02:45:15] <emeb_mac> now you just need to think of something to do with them.
[02:46:29] <djlewis> there you go complicating things :)
[02:46:34] <emeb_mac> heh
[02:47:02] <emeb_mac> I've been playing with an Arduino last few days. Kinda fun in a minimalist sort of way
[02:48:00] <emeb_mac> got some retry led bubble displays working: http://imagebin.org/161549
[02:48:07] <djlewis> yeah, only thing I have doen with it is test my nunchuk code
[02:48:08] <emeb_mac> s/retry/retro/
[02:48:31] <djlewis> in hex no less
[02:48:38] <emeb_mac> yep
[02:48:53] <emeb_mac> I love those old displays
[02:49:10] <emeb_mac> reminds me of ancient calculators
[02:49:12] <djlewis> is that dust on that duino?
[02:49:31] <emeb_mac> heh - from the storm the other day?
[02:49:31] <djlewis> I hear sasndstorms came recently
[02:49:47] <emeb_mac> did you see the pix?
[02:49:53] <djlewis> no
[02:50:21] <emeb_mac> http://vimeo.com/26045314
[02:51:06] <emeb_mac> we were on the freeway when it hit
[02:51:26] <djlewis> hasnt gotten past title yet
[02:51:47] <emeb_mac> vimeo has a slow
[02:52:53] <Russ> That was pretty awesome
[02:53:05] <djlewis> DAMN
[02:53:18] <Russ> cleaning up was not
[02:53:29] <emeb_mac> it's still pretty dusty
[02:57:06] <Russ> and I got my arduino nano v3.0 today
[02:57:16] <emeb_mac> those are cute
[02:57:59] <Russ> now I'm just waiting on my pcb to arrive http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/russell_dill/cec.html
[02:59:11] <emeb_mac> that's for sniffing or injecting the CEC stream in an HDMI cable?
[02:59:23] <Russ> both
[03:00:39] <emeb_mac> did it with geda/pcb?
[03:01:22] <Russ> right
[03:02:05] <emeb_mac> I like that toolset
[03:02:17] <Russ> it didn't take long to do
[03:02:45] <emeb_mac> yeah - I picked it up pretty quickly. Rough edges, but fairly intuitive
[03:04:08] <emeb_mac> is that bullseye below the Nano an unplated hole?
[03:04:10] <Russ> pcb really needs more of a trace type concept (width/space)
[03:04:22] <Russ> unplated hole, in case I make a case
[03:04:42] <emeb_mac> where you getting the board fabbed?
[03:04:54] <emeb_mac> ( some fabs don't like unplated holes)
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[03:05:28] <Russ> dorkbotpdx
[03:05:38] <Russ> http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
[03:06:30] <emeb_mac> not a bad price
[03:06:36] <emeb_mac> I usually got to batchpcb
[03:06:53] <emeb_mac> $2.50/sqin
[03:07:11] <emeb_mac> *usually* get 2 boards at that price, but not guaranteed.
[03:07:35] <Russ> the dorkbotpdx is technically 3 sq in for $5, its just the 3 sq in are duplicated
[03:08:40] <Russ> bizzare, the very first person on batchpcb is stephen goadhouse
[03:08:53] <Russ> worked with him professionally for several years when he was at ADI
[03:08:59] <emeb_mac> aha
[03:19:18] <ds2> differences?
[03:19:36] <ds2> msp-gcc takes the same syntax for the cases I tried as IAR
[03:19:41] <ds2> the headers are different though
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[03:21:47] <ds2> someone is sniffing CEC signals?
[03:22:08] <Russ> not until I get the board in
[03:22:24] <Russ> several people have done a lot of work with arduino and cec though
[03:22:40] <ds2> Russ: I see... I just finish laying out a board that can do that
[03:27:01] <Russ> you could have just used mine
[03:29:27] <ds2> the CEC sniffing capability is a secondary feature...
[03:30:06] <ds2> what kind of connectors are you using?
[03:33:10] <Russ> two hdmi connectors, one is reverse
[03:33:26] <Russ> I wish I could have found a plug and receptacle, but all I could were receptacles
[03:34:59] <ds2> heh, i had the same issue
[03:35:09] <ds2> who makes the part you are using?
[03:35:30] <Russ> molex
[03:35:46] <Russ> 47408-001 and 47151-1001
[03:36:11] <ds2> what made you choose that? (FWIW, I am calling out a FCI part)
[03:36:19] <Russ> er 47408-0001
[03:36:32] <Russ> fci was cheaper, but molex has the reverse connector
[03:36:41] <ds2> reverse?
[03:36:46] <Russ> upside down
[03:36:51] <ds2> Ohhhhh
[03:37:00] <ds2> you didn't bother with the layout nightmare of flipping the signals :D
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[03:37:20] <Russ> ya, with a two layer board the impedance mismatch is already bad enough
[03:37:31] <ds2> I guess I'll find out how bad it'd be ;)
[03:37:48] <Russ> I got it up to what should be around 120 ohm
[03:37:52] <Russ> er, down to
[03:37:55] <ds2> besides, reflections can't hurt :D
[03:38:04] <ds2> what are you using to measure the impedence?
[03:38:24] <Russ> I'm just roughing it with one of those web calculators to get a ball park figure
[03:38:50] <Russ> I made the traces as wide as possible and the pairs as close together as possible
[03:39:07] <ds2> is that 120ohm figure w/ or w/o a ground plane?
[03:39:12] <Russ> with
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[03:39:34] <ds2> now you have me wondering if I should redo it
[03:40:01] <Russ> I'm not even sure how you'd calculate impedance without a ground plane
[03:40:21] <ds2> it should be doable
[03:40:36] <ds2> you can do impedence cals on the balance lines or the J-lines
[03:40:42] <ds2> s/J-line/ladder line/
[03:40:45] <Russ> I'd put the connectors exactly back to back with no spacing, but then there'd be no room for rework
[03:41:27] <ds2> seems overkill... I have about 3" between the 2 connectors + a nightmarish flip of the traces
[03:44:03] <Russ> you could always put it on the back
[03:44:34] <Russ> (one of them)
[03:44:38] <Russ> that was my first plan
[03:45:12] <ds2> that would still involve a mess of vias messing up a smooth trace
[03:45:28] <Russ> also, cec is a single wire across all inputs, so really you don't need a passthrough
[03:45:52] <ds2> I am screwing with more the just the CEC
[03:46:13] <Russ> you can use the i2c controller on the video card to get that
[03:46:44] <ds2> I guess the best way to do this is to fab it and see
[03:47:20] <ds2> if you take apart those female to female HDMI connectors, it is just a mess of wires
[03:48:05] <ds2> and the other lines are differential, AFAICT so there is some tolerance
[03:49:39] <Russ> it should be pretty much the same requirements as ethernet
[03:50:01] <ds2> and ethernet is reasonablly tolerant
[03:50:34] * emeb_mac wonders how much of an effect the trace impedance will have on such a short length
[03:51:12] <Russ> pretty easy to find out, simulate it
[03:51:26] <emeb_mac> pretty easy to build it and see if it works.
[03:51:32] <emeb_mac> those boards are cheap
[03:51:35] <ds2> got ENM simulator?
[03:51:48] <ds2> and no, I am not even going to think of Rogers material ;)
[03:51:48] <Russ> just use spice
[03:52:07] <Russ> with a gaussian pulse
[03:52:42] <ds2> if I were to simulate it, I'd much rather use a full E&M simulator with the actual layout as the input
[03:53:14] <emeb_mac> "it's the only way to be sure
[03:53:27] <emeb_mac> but those simulators are $$$
[03:54:03] <Russ> you aren't designing a bus, just seeing if something has a good chance of working
[03:54:21] <ds2> they do have educational versions
[03:54:29] <ds2> trick is to learn how to use them
[03:55:37] <ds2> actually, there are free ones too
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[09:55:19] <mru> gah, indian students asking for the codes
[09:55:59] <dm8tbr> yes yes, give me codes, yes please, url please!
[09:56:15] <mru> here's one: ahbe0uaT
[09:59:18] <dm8tbr> looks like right out of pwgen
[09:59:29] <mru> it is
[09:59:44] <mru> and no, it's not my password
[09:59:58] <dm8tbr> I'd be disappointed if it would be :)
[10:04:17] <koen> dm8tbr: you forgot to say 'sir'
[10:04:27] <dm8tbr> :)
[10:06:05] <mru> this one also wants to be whatever it is people are on linkedin
[10:06:21] <mru> I think I'm going to cancel my account there
[10:06:28] <mru> I never got anything but spam
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[15:19:34] <djlewis> gm
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[16:33:41] <emeb_mac> forth
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[16:38:34] <_av500_> prolog
[16:46:22] <djlewis> improv
[16:51:08] <djlewis> _av500_: welcome back, havent seen much of you lately
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[16:55:14] <_av500_> was away for a week and cell coverage sucked there big time
[16:55:28] <_av500_> felt like 9k6
[16:56:23] <mru> maybe it was
[16:56:54] <_av500_> those telegraph poles were a dead giveaway..
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[21:53:57] <koen> joelagnel: look at the narcissus pages in firebug, especially XHR
[21:54:12] <koen> (or webkit inspector)
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[23:25:01] <djlewis> argh! all this time I had the program working.
[23:25:15] <djlewis> I just had to change the temperature to reveal that fact
[23:25:47] <djlewis> about 12 hrs off and on trying to sort out the darn problem :)
[23:26:56] <djlewis> yeah, i know, i should not have shared that last line
[23:26:57] <Russ> ds2, http://dementeddiode.org/blog/2011/07/bad-news-on-the-june-27th-panel/
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