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[00:10:33] <koen> rzyz: CAN works, if you adjust for the non-standard pinout
[00:11:57] * mru prefers can-can
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[00:20:51] <aholler> non-standard pinout?
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[00:24:43] <aholler> sounds like exchange 2 and 3.
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[06:46:45] <_av500_> wtf neon optimized utf8?
[06:47:26] <_av500_> ppl will use that for gst id3 tags while using ffmpegcolorspace at the same time
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[07:15:38] <drunknbass> hi.
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[07:58:29] <koen> _av500_: wtf?
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[08:18:53] <ddd> hi, av500, in order to involve files into "package.bld", can we use "var srcs = [./*.c ]" instead of listing them one by one, i.e "var srcs = [./a1.c, ./a2.c, ./a3.c]" ? thanks
[08:29:03] <_av500_> ddd: no idea
[08:29:13] <_av500_> try it out, no?
[08:29:17] <ddd> no
[08:29:29] <ddd> have to list them one by one
[08:30:11] <ddd> want to no any other way, which can simplify it?
[08:30:47] <ddd> want to know
[08:31:28] <_av500_> i dont know
[08:31:35] <_av500_> never looked into that
[08:31:48] <_av500_> listing a few files is not that much work
[08:32:06] <_av500_> but koen is the xdc expert :)
[08:32:38] <ddd> oh, will be much appreciated if i can get answer from koen
[08:37:24] <_av500_> and of course you could ask in e2e
[08:38:48] <ddd> oh, yeah, thanks
[08:41:42] <Russ> oi, map/place/route/etc always takes to friggin long
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[09:23:54] <ddd> av500, I have an error when compiling : error: impossible register constraint in 'asm'. the code is as follow:
[09:24:09] <ddd> static inline uint32_t NEG_USR32(uint32_t a, int8_t s){
[09:24:23] <ddd> __asm__ ("srl %1, %0\n\t"
[09:24:41] <ddd> : "+r" (a) : "ic" ((uint8_t)(-s)) ); return a; }
[09:25:55] <ddd> posted here: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1192515
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[09:51:22] <artzz> hi all. I am trying to run Xorg with GLX acceleration, but it starts in 32-bit mode everytime. I tried to put DefaultDepth 16 in xorg.conf, but that makes gpe-dm re-start and it doesn't start Xorg properly
[09:52:02] <artzz> I am using a 800x480 LCD, and if I set manually the bitdepth in /sys/class/graphics/fb0 it accepts it, but when xorg starts it changes it as well
[09:52:27] <_av500_> ddd: thats ffmpeg, so ask in #ffmpeg
[09:54:49] <ddd> thx, i c
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[09:56:56] <artzz> wow it is working!
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[10:24:37] <koen> artzz: there is no GLX for Xorg on omap3 or omap4
[10:24:48] <koen> artzz: unless you pay $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to IMGtec
[10:27:03] * _av500_ gives a $
[10:36:47] <artzz> koen, sorry, I meant to use powervr and gles
[10:39:54] <artzz> btw, which would be a light-weight window manager for beagleboard?
[10:47:00] <koen> matchbox
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[10:56:43] <artzz> koen, thanks
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[11:14:04] <mru> that asm error is for x86 too...
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[11:52:16] <whatnick> n0ugh8y1
[11:52:30] <whatnick> nohjs
[11:52:56] <whatnick> ping jkridner
[11:57:18] <aholler> 8-char-pwds are too short ;)
[11:58:54] <whatnick> i know :D
[11:59:31] <whatnick> need to use nursery rhymes more
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[12:02:06] <woglinde> gm whatnick
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[14:36:05] <mru> koen: ping
[14:36:22] <koen> mru: ping
[14:36:26] <koen> ehm
[14:36:28] <koen> pong
[14:36:32] <mru> that's better :)
[14:36:49] <mru> are you going to make libav recipes for oe?
[14:37:01] <koen> yes
[14:37:04] <mru> there's a 0.6.2 release out fwiw
[14:37:12] <koen> ffmpeg_git.bb already pull from libav git fwiw
[14:37:20] <mru> yeah I know
[14:37:29] <koen> haven't sat down to do s/ffmpeg/libav/ on the tree
[14:37:32] <luckyman87> Hi. A noob question: MUST the rs232 interface be connected to a computer, or is this optional when booting a beagleboard?
[14:37:38] <koen> luckyman87: optional
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[14:38:59] <luckyman87> is rs232 for easier debugging or something?
[14:40:15] <koen> yes
[14:41:38] * koen laughs at http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2011-March/110205.html
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[14:42:03] <kblin> looking at how much of a hard time I had to debug boot loader issues on an xm with a shot serial port, rs232 definetely makes debugging easier
[14:42:05] <koen> "O look, we merged some stuff to look better than the libav folks, but we screwed it up"
[14:43:08] <luckyman87> okay.. I have a rev c2 (unknown condition) set up with external power, HDMI to DVI cable to monitor and a USB keyboard connected and when I'm trying to boot the "beagleboard.org" logo with the "dog" comes up, but then it just hangs... any suggestions? =)
[14:43:39] <woglinde> luckyman87 so at least it isnt broken
[14:44:31] <koen> luckyman87: white background filling the screen or orange background in the top left corner?
[14:45:48] <luckyman87> it shows the whole picture first (with white background), then a few seconds later it looks like its trying to "update the screen" but it hangs, showing only the "dog's paws" (white background, nothing orange)
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[14:46:33] <koen> so it gets out of uboot, which is a start
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[14:46:41] <koen> jkridner|work: welcome!
[14:46:45] <woglinde> hiho jkridner
[14:46:55] <woglinde> hm at work at weekend?
[14:46:57] <mru> lilo
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[14:48:04] <koen> "We are looking for simple web server and Database (may be SQL Lite). What will be the easiest option for them on Linux 2.6.33?"
[14:48:36] <woglinde> koen from india?
[14:48:45] <luckyman87> koen: my plan is to boot Angstrom on it, and I've prepared an SD card for this.. but I have no clue how to get it to boot since I can't get any "coomand line" showing ... =(
[14:48:49] <koen> woglinde: sort of
[14:49:01] <mru> pakistan?
[14:49:19] <woglinde> luckyman you copied MLO uboot.bin to the first partition?
[14:49:27] <woglinde> and the boot.scr?
[14:49:28] <koen> woglinde: indian living in texas
[14:49:30] <mru> no offence intended to any indians or pakistanis
[14:49:49] <woglinde> mru its a typical question from there
[14:50:10] <mru> I know
[14:50:13] <woglinde> dear sir please explain me linux step by step
[14:50:23] <woglinde> ah
[14:50:24] <woglinde> okay
[14:50:41] <woglinde> luckyman87 you dont have the serial cable?
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[14:51:43] <luckyman87> must the MLO file be named uboot.bin? Don't think i got the scr file....
[14:51:54] <luckyman87> nope unfortunately don't got a serial cable
[14:52:14] <woglinde> hm lets see what the ieee comunications magazin have this month
[14:52:15] <luckyman87> would it provide me with more debug info?
[14:52:21] <woglinde> luckyman87 yes
[14:52:40] <woglinde> luckyman87 but you can compile your uboot to get a serial console via uboot
[14:52:47] <woglinde> usb
[14:53:02] <woglinde> http://elinux.org/U-boot_musb_gadget_support
[14:53:11] <woglinde> you can start with the uboot in oe.dev
[14:53:22] <woglinde> it has all the patches
[14:53:33] <koen> woglinde: the "does it work on linux <version>" thing comes from people being used to work with mvista stuff
[14:53:50] <koen> since every release was coupled to a certain kernel
[14:53:55] <koen> e.g. 2.6.10 for mvl4
[14:54:59] <woglinde> what the hell is cognitive radio
[14:55:05] <woglinde> crofton?
[14:55:05] <koen> heh
[14:55:16] <koen> woglinde: we call it 'unicorn radio'
[14:55:20] <woglinde> 3 reports
[14:55:31] <woglinde> or articles about it
[14:55:39] <koen> woglinde: the software radio will figure out on its on what to use for sending, 3g, umts, morse code, wifi, etc
[14:55:56] <koen> it will sense the environment and choose the 'best' path
[14:56:01] <Crofton> rofl
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[14:56:07] <mru> the vikings used norse code
[14:56:14] <woglinde> damn the online version has to much commercials
[14:56:18] <Crofton> cognitive radio or dynamic specturm access
[14:56:33] <Crofton> :)
[14:56:51] <Crofton> they are buzz words for trying to make more efficient use of radio spectrum
[14:57:02] <woglinde> crofton are you ieee memeber?
[14:57:04] <koen> Crofton: so it makes proper use of the cyberspectrum?
[14:57:10] <woglinde> and in the comsoc schapter?
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[14:58:38] <Crofton> no
[14:58:41] <Crofton> I am lazy
[14:58:44] <Crofton> I should join
[14:58:55] <woglinde> hm yes itnt that much
[14:59:01] <woglinde> or depends
[14:59:01] <luckyman87> woglinde: thanks, will try that...
[14:59:06] * Crofton really needs to make some content for cyberspectrum.tv
[14:59:07] <woglinde> 200$ dollars
[14:59:10] <woglinde> for a year
[14:59:20] <Crofton> extortionists :)
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[15:01:33] <woglinde> haha
[15:01:34] <woglinde> SpiderRadio: A Cognitive Radio Network
[15:01:34] <koen> jkridner|work1: I just had a customer email me "Your makerbot pics look really cool"
[15:01:35] <woglinde> with Commodity Hardware and
[15:01:35] <woglinde> Open Source Software
[15:02:01] <woglinde> args in the abstract madwifi driver
[15:03:00] <woglinde> thats a problem in many research stuff using old stuff
[15:03:22] <aholler> luckyman87: you have to setup the resolution, no edid
[15:03:49] <woglinde> aholler make some edid in uboot
[15:03:59] <woglinde> cannt be that hard
[15:06:26] <_av500_> koen: cybercepstrum ftw
[15:06:53] <_av500_> because spectrum is so 2010
[15:07:07] <luckyman87> aholler: "no edid"?
[15:07:32] <woglinde> gm av500
[15:07:44] <Crofton> woglinde, the use 802.11 stuff because no one has written an open MAC/PHY for th USRP-E100 yet :)
[15:07:49] <_av500_> woglinde: ieee student menber is cheaper
[15:07:58] <woglinde> av500 I know
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[15:08:09] <woglinde> but I am not apply to it anymore
[15:08:09] <aholler> woglinde: do your stuff yourself
[15:08:21] <aholler> can't be that hard ;)
[15:08:30] <woglinde> aholler I never connected a beagle to something else than usb and serial console
[15:08:43] <Crofton> woglinde, do you know when the spider radio paper was published?
[15:08:49] <aholler> woglinde: and what makes you believe I do
[15:08:51] <thanil> Hi, i'm new to the BeagleBoard, and can't get minicom to communicate with my board, can someone help?
[15:09:20] <woglinde> crofton hm this month in comunication magazin
[15:09:27] <Crofton> cool
[15:09:40] <woglinde> they modified the madwifi hal too
[15:10:42] <woglinde> thanil connect the serial connector right
[15:11:04] <woglinde> thanil and 115200,8,1
[15:11:08] <woglinde> no flows
[15:11:13] <thanil> I have checked that several times with several computers, to no avail...
[15:11:15] <Crofton> hmm, that makes it more interesting
[15:11:53] <Crofton> how did they do the modification?
[15:12:20] <woglinde> they didnt say
[15:12:22] <thanil> woglinde: I also have a doubt, should I launch minicom before or after powering the board? (I've tried both)
[15:12:24] <Crofton> heh
[15:12:26] <Crofton> bastards
[15:12:29] <Crofton> that is the hard aprt
[15:12:36] <_av500_> thanil: does not matter
[15:12:42] <woglinde> but thats normal in research papers
[15:12:52] <woglinde> and the used linux 2.6 operating system
[15:12:58] <_av500_> wow
[15:13:07] <woglinde> thats paper is funny to
[15:13:08] <woglinde> Peer-to-Peer Streaming of Scalable
[15:13:09] <woglinde> Video in Future Internet Applications
[15:13:17] <_av500_> bingo
[15:13:26] * _av500_ won
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[15:14:05] <woglinde> svc
[15:14:16] <woglinde> scalable video coding
[15:14:42] <Crofton> woglinde, are you reading this for fun or work?
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[15:15:25] <_av500_> or to distract from an aching tooth
[15:16:03] <Crofton> or to fall asleep at night
[15:16:09] <Crofton> I ordered a kindle
[15:16:16] <Crofton> hopefully it really works for pdfs
[15:16:18] <woglinde> crofton fun
[15:17:13] <woglinde> crofton I mainly joined to get one papaer from the digital library, where my university has not applied for
[15:17:45] <_av500_> koen: BB ml ppl are now starting to gtalk me
[15:18:01] <_av500_> besides all the pm
[15:18:28] <woglinde> ti-gst-ducati is for panda?
[15:18:49] <thanil> Hi, when I start minicom (I've triple-checked settings) the board answers an incomprehensible list of ? other characters, what can it come from? (thanks in advance)
[15:18:59] <_av500_> woglinde: yes
[15:19:04] <woglinde> av500 good
[15:19:11] <woglinde> so I understand soemthing yesterday
[15:19:23] <_av500_> for bb its gst-ti
[15:19:42] <aholler> thanil: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 # ctrl-a shift-k to quit, forget minicom
[15:19:43] <woglinde> thats fun
[15:19:46] <woglinde> Automatic Creation of 3D Environments
[15:19:46] <woglinde> from a Single Sketch Using
[15:19:46] <woglinde> Content-Centric Networks
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[15:20:04] <_av500_> woglinde: is it social, local and mobile?
[15:20:13] <_av500_> if not, its doomed
[15:21:11] <woglinde> he
[15:21:16] <aholler> I'm missing a cloud
[15:21:18] <woglinde> read the magazine your self
[15:21:31] <woglinde> and pay your $$$
[15:21:52] <thanil> aholler: thanks I tried it (ttyS0 in my case) and the screen stays empty till I kill it
[15:22:19] <woglinde> thanil hu you have a normal serial console your host?
[15:22:23] <woglinde> how old is it?
[15:23:19] <thanil> woglinde I don't understand the question, I have a computer on Ubuntu 10.10 with real serial port
[15:24:03] <woglinde> thanil 99% of the desktop in the last 5 years dont have a real serial port
[15:25:07] <thanil> woglinde: yes it's an old desktop, it's 5-7 years old
[15:25:28] <woglinde> so now you see my question makes sense
[15:26:14] <thanil> woglinde yes it makes sense, just that I wasn't sure I understood it
[15:26:43] <thanil> woglinde I've checked that S0 is the correct serial port
[15:26:53] <woglinde> okay
[15:27:09] <woglinde> try to connect the connector on the beagle the other way
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[15:27:14] <woglinde> round
[15:27:56] <thanil> woglinde the serial cable doesn't fit the other way round
[15:28:27] <thanil> woglinde I have a RS232 cable
[15:29:23] <woglinde> ?
[15:29:32] <woglinde> on the beagle you can connect it in two ways
[15:29:54] <thanil> I have a beagleboard xm, is that a reason for the problem?
[15:30:00] <woglinde> maybee you need to search some pictures
[15:30:28] <woglinde> its always good to say the complete name from the beginning
[15:30:43] <thanil> woglinde sorry about that, my mistake
[15:32:04] <woglinde> but from the picture I see from the xm you can it still connect it in 2 ways
[15:32:07] <woglinde> one is wrong
[15:32:12] <woglinde> so now I am off for a while
[15:32:37] <thanil> my connector has 5pins on top, 4 on bottom
[15:33:29] <aholler> there are people who have managed to press a firewire into usb, maybe woglinde means that. ;)
[15:34:46] <aholler> thanil: if ou don't see something when on the serial when you turn the beagle on, you might use a null-modem-cable. Try one which doesn't cross rx and tx
[15:35:33] <thanil> aholler I don't know much about serial cables, how can I test if my cable is good or not with a Voltmeter please?
[15:36:38] <koen> finally: http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/testlab/commit/?id=464a28e3a225d53bef314c50a8e79cad14aa8de3
[15:36:47] * koen tabs libnl1 with a rusty knife
[15:36:52] <koen> +s
[15:38:36] <aholler> 2, 3 and 5, ask google
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[15:40:05] <thanil> ok, thanks
[15:40:18] <aholler> thanil: they should be connected plain through
[15:40:53] <aholler> a null-modem-cable crosses 2 and 3
[15:43:05] <thanil> ok, I'll check once I can get a Voltmeter, thanks!
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[16:01:45] <aholler> prpplague: I have two more nice-to-have-features for a future board: power-button and mac(s)
[16:04:57] <aholler> I've almost never used the user-button, but a power-button would be nice ;)
[16:06:13] <koen> actually not
[16:06:31] <koen> craneboard revB removed the powerbutton becase 90% of the people didn't get it
[16:07:28] <mru> a few of my boards have a flip-switch for power
[16:07:35] <mru> that's kind of nice
[16:08:09] <aholler> but you can't use that for suspend
[16:08:48] <mru> that's the point
[16:08:52] <mru> it's a hard power switch
[16:09:08] <aholler> maybe a dip-switch would do the trick for those 90%
[16:09:25] <mru> easier to manipulate than pulling a power plug
[16:09:30] <aholler> to disable the power-button
[16:09:31] <koen> that's stated in the beagle design goals: no dips or jumpers
[16:10:39] <aholler> rules are there to break them
[16:13:37] <prpplague> aholler: i;m currently looking at doing some accessory board stuff for the panda that would include a power button for the twl6030
[16:14:02] <koen> what's the obsession with suspend anyway?
[16:14:07] <prpplague> aholler: i think more people would like a power switch that physically removes power from the board
[16:14:09] <koen> on omap3 runtime is just as good
[16:18:38] <aholler> mru: I find those very handy: http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MzQ5ODQ1OTk-/Haustechnik/Installationsmaterial/Schalter_Steckdosen/Schutzkontakt_Stecker_mit_Schalter.html
[16:19:01] <mru> here in britain _all_ wall socket have a switch already
[16:19:25] <mru> which I actually don't like
[16:19:33] <mru> too easy to switch them off by mistake
[16:22:03] <aholler> the power-supplys should have a such switch already integrated, like in the old times very device had a hard-power-switch.
[16:22:05] <mru> more to the point, that puts the switch at the wrong end of th wire
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[16:29:17] <aholler> on my breadboards I'm using those: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/708062/MINIATUR-SCHIEBESCHALTER-SX254/0216300
[16:31:25] <mru> hmm, 2k operations isn't much
[16:32:57] <aholler> 3a daily on/off is enough for me. ;)
[16:33:54] <mru> just a hint: 'a' is not generally recognised as an abbreviation for year in english
[16:34:17] <aholler> I don't care, they use feet too
[16:34:44] <mru> I figured you might want to be understood by non-german-speakers
[16:34:55] <aholler> a isn't german
[16:35:02] <mru> it's latin
[16:35:05] <mru> but german uses it
[16:35:13] <mru> for some reason I cannot fathom
[16:37:26] <aholler> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year
[16:39:12] <mru> yes, so?
[16:39:17] <mru> no sane englishman would use it
[16:39:22] <mru> and few would understand it
[16:39:38] <mru> but I see germans using it a lot
[16:39:53] <aholler> we use m and l too
[16:40:14] <mru> britain is officially metric
[16:40:18] <mru> apart from the pint
[16:40:22] <mru> don't touch my pint!
[16:40:58] <aholler> they already broke a satelite with their units ;)
[16:41:10] <_av500_> that them us ppl
[16:41:10] <mru> sure that wasn't americans?
[16:41:20] <mru> they're much more backwards
[16:41:25] <aholler> it was an english company
[16:41:47] <aholler> or britain
[16:42:57] <_av500_> aholler: as for devices having hard power swithes, its 2011
[16:43:29] <mru> most of my computers have a hard switch on the back
[16:43:45] <aholler> _av500_: what doesn't make many devices to use really low power when idle
[16:44:19] <mru> electricity is cheap
[16:44:21] <aholler> but at least the eu has take care of that, I think the limit is 1.5w or such
[16:44:24] <mru> use as much as you can while it lasts
[16:44:45] <_av500_> aholler: yes, i preper low power standby vs hard off
[16:44:49] <_av500_> prefer
[16:45:44] <aholler> I know one who has detected that his microwave used about 10w or more (can't remeber) when doing nothing
[16:46:10] <_av500_> aholler: crap does exist
[16:46:26] <mru> in fact, 90% of everything is crap
[16:46:31] <aholler> jupp, it gets even more and more
[16:46:58] * _av500_ just ordered a car that has cpuidle on the engine
[16:47:03] * _av500_ is so green
[16:47:35] <aholler> I can proove that tomorrow ;)
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[16:48:18] <aholler> -o
[16:51:42] <aholler> (for the rest of the world: local elections happen here tomorrow)
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[17:39:47] <woglinde> re
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[17:52:21] <woglinde> hi arc_mat
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[22:56:32] <M0eB> hello world :|
[22:57:04] <mru> greetings, earthling
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[23:01:59] <woglinde> good nite
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[23:06:09] <drunknbass> how similar is this to beagleboard? i thought it was a ripoff? http://www.armkits.com/product/sbc8100.asp
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[23:08:38] <mru> same omap chip
[23:08:40] <mru> almost
[23:08:50] <mru> beagle has the 720MHz speed bin version
[23:10:20] <drunknbass> ok
[23:10:28] <drunknbass> i have that oard and have no idea what im doing lol
[23:11:53] <drunknbass> right now im trying the rowboat beagleboard image and hoping itll at least boot right
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[23:44:21] <artzz> hi. would anyone recommend me a 'high-level' library to do 3D graphics with gles?
[23:44:43] <artzz> I mean, something that can allow me to manipulate gles in a higher level and do things quicker, if there is such thing
[23:45:27] <mru> egl perhaps?
[23:46:34] <artzz> mru, oh i see
[23:46:56] <mru> I'm just guessing
[23:47:01] <mru> I don't do 3d stuff
[23:47:57] <artzz> yes, well, I dont know if EGL is open source, I will have to check for that
[23:48:06] <artzz> or if at least I can use it in a commercial app, which is the case
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